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Speaker 1: Welcome to Money Making Conversations. It's to show that she

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Speaker 1: Welcome to my show, money Making Conversation Masterclass. I'm your

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Speaker 1: host with Sean McDonald. I recognize that we all have

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Speaker 1: different definitions of success. For you and maybe the size

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Speaker 1: of your paycheck. Mine has inspired people to develop a

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Speaker 1: other people's success stories and start writing your own. You

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Speaker 1: can only exceed the expectations by believe it in yourself.

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Speaker 1: People always talk about purpose of gifts. If you have

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Speaker 1: My guests to share David Rose. May have seen David

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Speaker 1: an action on many TV cookie shows and national talk shows,

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Speaker 1: including competing on Food Network Star. He's born in New

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Speaker 1: Jersey to both his parents who are chefs. Oh wait,

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Speaker 1: that's some good eating right there. If it smells good,

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Speaker 1: Chef Javid Rose is also Omaha Steaks Executive Chef spokesperson

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Speaker 1: and serves as a national brand ambassador for Nissa USA

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Speaker 1: and Big Green Egg. He's on the show to talk

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Speaker 1: about his new cookbook, Egging David Rose Cooks on the

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Speaker 1: Big Green Egg. Please, welcome to Money Making Conversation Masterclass,

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Speaker 1: the one and only David Roose. How you doing, sir

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Speaker 1: Mortar brother. Thanks for having me so much that I

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Speaker 1: appreciate it as enjoy to be here and I'm excited

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Speaker 1: to dig into it. So thank you again for having

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Speaker 1: First of all, thank you for sending your book. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Egging David Rose Cooks on the Big Green Egg. Let's

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Speaker 1: let's let's let's go and get it. Let's go and

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Speaker 1: get it out. Guess okay, I have to set up.

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Speaker 1: I have the the Big Green Egg, I have the

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Speaker 1: table that comes with it. I got this beautiful cover

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Speaker 1: that goes over it, and that bad Boy I'm set up.

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Speaker 1: That bad Boy has been covered for six years. That's okay,

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Speaker 1: I got So having you on the show means that

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Speaker 1: guess what it's tied for, the big unveiling of that.

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Speaker 1: I gotta pull it off. And your book, tell us

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Speaker 1: how you got involved with this? You know, the Big

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Speaker 1: Green Eggs. You see the signs. I'm based in Atlanta

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Speaker 1: from you born and Raison, So it's like Bobeque capital,

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Speaker 1: so the Big Green Egg. You cannot avoid the Big

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Speaker 1: Green Egg. Okay, So tell us exactly what is the

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Speaker 1: Big Green Egg and what makes it so special? David alright,

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Speaker 1: So the Big Green I it's been around for forty

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Speaker 1: Tell me, Rashawn, shame on you. This is what you

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Speaker 1: So why why why should I why should I unveil

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Speaker 1: That is, the words like sear, I hear words like

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Speaker 1: pompecn sir that you do on the big green egg.

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Speaker 1: Talk to us about that, brother. Alright. So everybody in

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Speaker 1: the top they have their own recipe for the compis.

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Speaker 1: So what I want to do is make my own recipe,

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Speaker 1: goes good at the smokiness Bourbon because bourbon is smoked,

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Speaker 1: Bourbon is age and ginger because Jamaica we put ginger

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Speaker 1: in everything. And brother, one of the best recipes you

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Speaker 1: will ever taste Forget to smack your mom. You're gonna

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Speaker 1: it's one of our ice cream brands. So if you

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Speaker 1: She got a credit, want to slap somebody, you know,

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Speaker 1: I gotta put our ice cream on top of your pope,

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Speaker 1: so I could just start slapping everybody, everybody, everybody in

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Speaker 1: the face. Get away from me, brother. I'll tell you

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Speaker 1: that if we're talking to the chef David Rose is

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Speaker 1: incredible book egging uh. David Rose cooks on the Big

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Speaker 1: Green Egg. But not only that, he's a he's an

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Speaker 1: ambassador for all my heart Steaks as well as Nissa

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Speaker 1: in USA. But again, my friend being on my show

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Speaker 1: talking about the book, you know, I gotta see you

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Speaker 1: photos of the unveiling. That means I gotta look at

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Speaker 1: your book post this here. You've you've gotten it out

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Speaker 1: of storage, you know, before the summer goes out. But

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Speaker 1: more importantly, what I wanted to get clarity on that

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Speaker 1: you've given the people who are listening and watching this

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Speaker 1: interview is that the Big Green Egg is more than

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Speaker 1: just a barbecue pit or smoker for meats. You can

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Speaker 1: use it as an extension for your oven kicking cooking

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Speaker 1: and your stovetop cooking. Correct, yes, sir, the ultimate cooking

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Speaker 1: spirits cool. Again, thank you for coming to my show,

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Speaker 1: Chef David rohdes hope you have joined it. Man. I

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Speaker 1: had a great time. Man, feel free money like any time.

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Speaker 1: This is the way to get a day started much

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Speaker 1: better than call thank you. We'll be right back with

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Speaker 1: more money Making Conversations Masterclass with Rushan McDonald. You are

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Speaker 1: now tuned into the money Making Conversations Minute of Inspiration

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Speaker 1: with Rushan McDonald. Hi. I'm Rushan McDonald from Money Making

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Speaker 1: Conversation Masterclass with your daily minute of Inspiration. This week

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Speaker 1: I sat down with actress, writer, director and activists on

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Speaker 1: the Showtime series The Shy Elanda Ross. She explains how

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Speaker 1: acting on every opportunity you get can lead you discovering

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Speaker 1: your talents. How did you decide to become an actress?

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Speaker 1: It wasn't a decision. I feel like I was led

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Speaker 1: to it. I was working in the fashion business and

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Speaker 1: this girl that I worked with background work, opportunity to

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Speaker 1: make a little bit money whenever. So they left me,

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Speaker 1: and then they kept hiring me. So I got my

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Speaker 1: union card, I got an agent, and then my first

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Speaker 1: audition was um New York going to cover. That was

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Speaker 1: what really made me feel something. If you want to

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Speaker 1: listen to this full interview with your Landa Ross, it's

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Speaker 1: available on money Making Conversation dot com. Now let's return

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Speaker 1: to money Making Conversations Masterclass with Rashan McDonald. My guest

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Speaker 1: is Warren Campbell. He's a music visionary, executive and leading

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Speaker 1: producer of R and B, gospel and hip hop music.

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Speaker 1: Campbell's ability to create chart topping hits across a multitude

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Speaker 1: of genres has made him critically acclaim as one of

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Speaker 1: the most prolific record producers of our time. He's on

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Speaker 1: the show to discuss this company, Block Inc. And independent

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Speaker 1: record label founded by the Grammy Award winning producer being

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Speaker 1: featured or TV one unsonged. The hit maker's episode one

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Speaker 1: is dropping a clothing line called Ernest Paul, balancing his

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Speaker 1: tenure as the pastor of California Worship Center at North Hollywood,

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Speaker 1: being a proud father daughter, going to spellman he has

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Speaker 1: he has three kids total, and being mad at every

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Speaker 1: Campbell for over twenty years. We got a lot to

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Speaker 1: talk about. Please welcome hagging conversation about to Class. The

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Speaker 1: one and only Lawren Campbell. How are you doing, sir?

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Speaker 1: Did I get it all in? Did I get that

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Speaker 1: you brought me out? Man? That was crazy? I told you,

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Speaker 1: I told you we gotta last. We got a lot

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Speaker 1: to talk about, man, Man, But it's all good. For

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Speaker 1: First of the first, I'm gonna get you over, get

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Speaker 1: you with your daughter, Spellman, because I've been joying video

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Speaker 1: at the video of Anger and joe Lee, her daughter.

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Speaker 1: It rolled the spellment she down doing the electric slide.

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Speaker 1: Now were you? Where were you at? Where were you at?

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Speaker 1: Warren Cheer down the electric slide? Where were you at?

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Speaker 1: I was watching. I wasn't love it, man, I love it, brother,

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Speaker 1: Talk about your daughter man Don in Atlanta and rolling

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Speaker 1: in a prestigious hbc uth school and what it means

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Speaker 1: to First of all, I got a daughter, so I

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Speaker 1: know this, that separation, fear, worried constantly, the letting go

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Speaker 1: and trust in life. Let's talk about that for a

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Speaker 1: minute there, sir. Well, you know this is the first

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Speaker 1: person that made me a father. That's my my, my

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Speaker 1: big girl, my oldest and we're very close. And so

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Speaker 1: instead of just sending her down there, I drove, man,

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Speaker 1: I drove from Los Angeles all the way to Georgia. Awesome,

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Speaker 1: I said, they started out with just me and her

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Speaker 1: because I said, you know what, before I let her go,

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Speaker 1: I want some father daughter time. I want a week

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Speaker 1: that really, you know, talk to her for real, the

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Speaker 1: real on these boys next door over at her at

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Speaker 1: clark in Morehouse. But somewhere along the way, my wife

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Speaker 1: jumped and said, you ain't going by yourself, I'm coming

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Speaker 1: to And then my my other two kids wanted to come,

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Speaker 1: so we took a family road trip. Man, it was

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Speaker 1: beautiful bonding the last we were on the road for

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Speaker 1: a week. Um and you know, and we had to

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Speaker 1: we had to let her go. We had to let

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Speaker 1: it go. And she's seventeen years old. Man, was just

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Speaker 1: it was emotional. He's not been away from me for

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Speaker 1: more than two weeks before ever, you know, going to

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Speaker 1: camp things, and uh so I had to rely on,

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Speaker 1: uh the training that I that I instilled in her.

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Speaker 1: You know, if you train up a child in a

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Speaker 1: way that she or he or she should go when

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Speaker 1: they oh they want to part, don't mean they want

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Speaker 1: to part at all. It just means that when they

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Speaker 1: get old and they start grappling and wrestling with life,

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Speaker 1: they're gonna revert back to the teaching that they they learned.

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Speaker 1: So I'm just trusting that I'm trusting that we uh

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Speaker 1: we deposited enough in her, uh that she can use

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Speaker 1: when she's you know, faced with tough life choices and

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Speaker 1: that we're not there for and you know, and and

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Speaker 1: and the thing is, I feel good because she called

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Speaker 1: me yesterday. I was waiting she had called me. Man,

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Speaker 1: it's been I'm like, it's almost a week, right right, right, right,

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Speaker 1: right right. Finally she finally called me yesterday. That's my daughter.

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Speaker 1: I said, come on night, don't don't forget now, you know,

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Speaker 1: you know, and just watching them grow up because if

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Speaker 1: you know, because you have the media out there, you

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Speaker 1: see the news, you see the violence, you see the

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Speaker 1: the unexpected. You know, you see the victim of being

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Speaker 1: a people of color. All these different things come into

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Speaker 1: play because of the fact that you know, you protected

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Speaker 1: this young child through elementaries, through you know, first we

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Speaker 1: all let's go back to the birth. It's a miracle

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Speaker 1: to have a healthy child. Everybody should know that. That's

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Speaker 1: a blessing. And then to let them go out there

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Speaker 1: into a world this many miles from you, that's a

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Speaker 1: courageent move on your part. One. I'm gonna just tell

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Speaker 1: you right now, brother, that's courageous. Now. It was it was,

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Speaker 1: you know, it was a god thing. Man. She um

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Speaker 1: she wanted to get into a certain school, and she

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Speaker 1: didn't get into that school, and and I felt I

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Speaker 1: felt like as a as a father, I thought failure

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Speaker 1: because I said, you know what, I should have had

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Speaker 1: her apply to more schools. But because we're all in

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Speaker 1: my family were all very creative thinkers. We're not necessarily

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Speaker 1: a family full of you know, um educated you know

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Speaker 1: uh people in terms of nobody went to college. I

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Speaker 1: started doing this what I do now since I started

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Speaker 1: at thirteen years old, so I wasn't even thinking about college.

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Speaker 1: By the time I graduated high school. I was already

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Speaker 1: making a lot of money in the music business. So um,

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Speaker 1: I thought, my daughter, she's a very creative person, amazing singer, songwriter, performer.

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Speaker 1: And I just thought, you know what, she don't have

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Speaker 1: to go to college. She's gonna you know, she's gonna

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Speaker 1: go home path. And then a lady came and uh

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Speaker 1: knocking saying listen. She was an alumni from UM from

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Speaker 1: Spellman the name of Dr Mary Gaffney. I would never

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Speaker 1: forget Dr Mary Gaffney. She called us and said, I

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Speaker 1: have been mandated to get Kristin Campbell into Spellman. And

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Speaker 1: a lady we never met before, right, she said, you

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Speaker 1: need you to bring Kristal fly down and Spellman on

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Speaker 1: this day. And when she leaves to have a an

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Speaker 1: acceptance letter, we went down there Christo towards the campus

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Speaker 1: and and I've never seen her excited about school like that.

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Speaker 1: She said, Dad, I want to go here on that campus.

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Speaker 1: Sa okay. And so we waited and they sent her

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Speaker 1: a letter and said she was accepted. And it's like

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Speaker 1: God open that door that had nothing to do with us.

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Speaker 1: And I said, now we we we received grace for

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Speaker 1: that because I felt like, you know, we we didn't

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Speaker 1: get it there, but God helped us. So for these

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Speaker 1: last two kids, like, we ain't gonna do that this time.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna make sure that we do everything that we

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Speaker 1: need to do to make sure they get to where

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Speaker 1: they need to go. But you know, you've been a

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Speaker 1: guy like you said, it's you've been in the music business.

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Speaker 1: And when I throw out the word R and B gospel,

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Speaker 1: I thought of hip hop. All of them are really

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Speaker 1: have their own dominant force. They dominant sound, they dominant role.

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Speaker 1: You know, you can say that you know, hip hop

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Speaker 1: kinda pulls from R and B, but that gospel genre,

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Speaker 1: you know, feeds to the R and B. The secular

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Speaker 1: sound and all that. How do you in your mind

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Speaker 1: worring disseminate the difference. Is it the lyrics or it's

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Speaker 1: the beat? For me, it's the lyrics. Gospel My definition

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Speaker 1: is the good news. It is the news comes in

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Speaker 1: form of words, not sounds a melody. So, uh, yeah,

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Speaker 1: there was at the inception of gospel music sound. That's

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Speaker 1: only because that was the sound of that time. I

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Speaker 1: don't think it was meant to carry on forever or

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Speaker 1: not evolved. And there's there's traces of all kinds of things,

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Speaker 1: uh in gospel music. Now why because gospel is the

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Speaker 1: ancestor for all music. Everything starts there, right, and so

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Speaker 1: out of the cotton fields, you know, we created this

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Speaker 1: sound and jazz springs from it. So that's blue, so

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Speaker 1: that's rock, and now hip hop is just the gumbo

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00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 1: that stirs it all together. We you know, just like

627
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Speaker 1: when we were giving the scraps to eat as slaves,

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Speaker 1: you know, we took that and made you know, sofa,

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Speaker 1: which is now the most one of those popular cauzinees

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Speaker 1: in the world. It's a cuisine that it's a guizine.

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Speaker 1: No hip hop those dominant genre in the world, and

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Speaker 1: what we did. What we did this just like Sofa,

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Speaker 1: we took the scraps, a little piece of this record,

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Speaker 1: a little piece of that, and we turned it into

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Speaker 1: other things that we created. Hip hop kind of the

636
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 1: same thing. And that's because really you were you were

637
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 1: born through hip hop. I went out to say, yeah,

638
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:45,840
Speaker 1: you know, through hip hop now and I read to

639
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 1: bring that up because the fact that you're your pasture

640
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:51,479
Speaker 1: now and not saying that you know, hip hop can't

641
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:53,839
Speaker 1: be a passion of hip hop, but these are There's

642
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 1: so many different styles of hip hop. Did you did

643
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 1: you walk into? There's languages that you walk into. We're

644
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 1: defines you as a person. I want to say, warrant. Uh.

645
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 1: You know, people will say you're a Christian, but that's

646
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 1: that's uh. You know, that's the word I seldom used

647
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 1: because more than anything, I'm a believer because you gotta

648
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 1: think about it. Was Jesus a Christian? He was Jesus right,

649
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 1: But I believe in Jesus. I'm a believer in in

650
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 1: the Word of God. And I followed that. I lived

651
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 1: my life by that right And uh, if you do that,

652
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 1: that means you gotta read that and understand what it is.

653
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 1: Most people just joined churches and follow some guy that

654
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 1: don't really know the Bible, and so they have all

655
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 1: these rules and things they live by. I grew up

656
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 1: in the house where my father was my pastor. But

657
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:43,839
Speaker 1: he's asked my father, and he was a very learned guy.

658
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 1: You know, he was educated. Let me know early when

659
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 1: I was trying to impress my father by saying, Dad,

660
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:51,879
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm never gonna do any secular music,

661
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:54,799
Speaker 1: he said, and sit down from it. Let me talk

662
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 1: to you. You said, I was fifteen years old. He said,

663
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 1: I see you started making money at this. He said,

664
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:06,319
Speaker 1: Music is your passion. Guess what. Music is your your job.

665
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 1: Music is your career, right, Music is your occupation. So

666
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 1: now what you have now is uh across worlds. Right.

667
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 1: You got your occupation and you got your salvation. Now

668
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:23,320
Speaker 1: you have to have you have to walk a bounce

669
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 1: because you cannot let your occupation walk all over your salvation.

670
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:29,839
Speaker 1: You gotta have a standard. And so my father sent

671
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,760
Speaker 1: me out while other church members were saying he shouldn't

672
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 1: be doing second in music because the church is very

673
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 1: unfair to musicians. You can only do gospel music if

674
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 1: you don't if you do anything other than gospel music,

675
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 1: than you ain't going to hell. But we don't. We

676
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 1: don't say to the to the Christian Uh doctors, you

677
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,879
Speaker 1: better only work on you know, Christian patients. If you're

678
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 1: at you don't go only work on Christian teeth. You

679
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. My dad, my dad was like, no, man,

680
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:00,840
Speaker 1: go out there and do the music you love. Just

681
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 1: have a standard, right. I love that. I love that. Yeah,

682
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,400
Speaker 1: because I knew that the roadblocks and the and then

683
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 1: they sayers, because that's why I was talking about gifts.

684
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:12,800
Speaker 1: You know, don't let your friends, family, uh, your co

685
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 1: workers stop you from planning to living your dreams because

686
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 1: so many people will interfere and trying to tell you

687
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 1: and try to will there their values on you. And

688
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 1: that's important to be able to. And so your father

689
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:28,760
Speaker 1: played a major role in keeping you pot all really

690
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 1: and it's really their fears, you know what I'm saying.

691
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 1: Like my mother was was was she was a big

692
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 1: supporter when it came time to me going to college

693
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 1: or going on the road. And I had three choices

694
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 1: of the schools. I was gonna go to their big

695
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 1: music school's Berkeley School of Music University and cal Arts

696
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:50,320
Speaker 1: here in California. My dad said, well, listen, you have

697
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 1: this opportunity. There was a tour going out January and

698
00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:00,360
Speaker 1: and I just graduated high school and ninety three. They

699
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 1: got this opportunity and to play on the road with Brandy,

700
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 1: and we're going out with boys and men and baby

701
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:11,439
Speaker 1: Face and because let's let's slow that down now, people,

702
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 1: Brandy when Brandy was straight fire okay, launched the men

703
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:22,240
Speaker 1: straight fire okay, and baby Face route everybody's song, Okay,

704
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 1: everybody's song. You just graduating my high school going out

705
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 1: with them folks, and everybody every city we went to,

706
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,799
Speaker 1: every black person in the town was at that show, right,

707
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 1: were big arenas and um My father sent me down

708
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 1: and said, listen, you you can go to school to

709
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 1: learn or so you know, they can teach you what

710
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 1: you're getting ready to go out and get paid to do, right,

711
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 1: he said, He said, it doesn't make sense. I think

712
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 1: you should do it. School is gonna be here, This

713
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:56,800
Speaker 1: opportunity may not be right. So my mother, because of

714
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:58,800
Speaker 1: her fear, was like no, no, no, no no. But

715
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 1: she was like it's nothing work. You gotta get education.

716
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 1: But that was just it's not that she didn't love me.

717
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:06,319
Speaker 1: That was just her fear. Yes, And so you can't

718
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 1: other people's fear, you know, you can't live I couldn't

719
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 1: live my life through her fear and other people around

720
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:13,799
Speaker 1: me that was thinking, probably that's a that's a that's

721
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 1: a mistake. You got all these schools you can go to.

722
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 1: So I jumped out there and never looked back, man,

723
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 1: And I met so many people, and it was a

724
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 1: catalyst for what I do now, Man, and a lot

725
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 1: of those relationships I still hold today. Absolutely. You know

726
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:28,399
Speaker 1: the beauty of this conversation, and I'd like to say

727
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 1: conversation I'm having with you. Warren Warren a true hit maker.

728
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 1: He's gonna be featured on their Unsung series an episode

729
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 1: called hit Makers. When you when you were being recognized

730
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 1: and you you got Grammys, you got awards, and you know,

731
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:44,360
Speaker 1: and and sometimes you don't appreciate I know that. You know,

732
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:46,880
Speaker 1: it's really crazy when you get Sometimes you get an award,

733
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 1: you you humbly take it, but you don't realize how

734
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 1: unique that award is. Because I know on this show,

735
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 1: because I get a lot of people use nominated, you know,

736
00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 1: I nominated for an Oscar, nominated for a ammy. So

737
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 1: doing this show, I've learned to appreciate my love enemies. Okay,

738
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:07,879
Speaker 1: because I got it so so because so many people

739
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 1: don't have it, but they're using credits to say they

740
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 1: were at least recognize it's nominated. Yeah, you know what

741
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:18,880
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So talk about that. I realized, Man, it

742
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:22,800
Speaker 1: never gets old. I was with because you have to

743
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:27,319
Speaker 1: make a conscious decision, uh, and be intentional about appreciating

744
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 1: those things. I was. One time I was with a

745
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 1: well known producer and not gonna say his name is

746
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 1: guys twenty Grammys and I was in the studio with him,

747
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 1: and at this time, I had two Grammys and I

748
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 1: was in the studio visiting this guy and we were

749
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 1: watching TV. We're watching the Grammys on TV, and he

750
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 1: won Producer of the Year. While I was sitting there

751
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 1: watching it and his sponsors like this, I said, Man,

752
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 1: I'm going nuts. Oh my god, you're sitting there like this,

753
00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 1: going oh man. I said to myself, I ain't never

754
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 1: gonna be like them. I appreciate every award I've won.

755
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:09,360
Speaker 1: You know, you have your granny statues and you have

756
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 1: your Granny plaques. Between all of those put together, I

757
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 1: might have about seventeen of those things, man, but in

758
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 1: certain in terms of statues, I have five or six statues, Granny,

759
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 1: you know, awards and it's never I just won last

760
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 1: year this past Grammys for Best Rap Song with the

761
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 1: Kanye featuring um Jay z uh and it was the

762
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 1: best feeling in That's like I said, you know, I

763
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 1: didn't really get it until I started doing my show,

764
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 1: and I just kept seeing people say nominated, nominated, nominating,

765
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 1: that went wow, and so small people trying to make it.

766
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:51,800
Speaker 1: Neligan's didn't make it, but I was one of the

767
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 1: ones who did. We'll be right back with more Money

768
00:41:54,280 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 1: Making Conversations Masterclass with Rushan McDonald. Now, let's return to

769
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:06,959
Speaker 1: Money Making Conversations Masterclass with Rashan McDonald. You know TV

770
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 1: one on song when he reached out to you and

771
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 1: talked about wanting to recognize you and tell a part

772
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 1: of your story because you're really a documentary. You know,

773
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 1: that's another conversation you know years old. You know you

774
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:21,359
Speaker 1: messed with the raw person warring. I'm I'll be knocking

775
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:23,239
Speaker 1: on your dot like that lady from the Spell. But

776
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 1: excuse Mr Camp, I'm not here to see you. Eric

777
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 1: I'm here to see Big Dog here. We want to

778
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:31,879
Speaker 1: do a documentary on him, tell his story to a movie.

779
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 1: You know, they could do Marvin sapp movie. They Dodge.

780
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 1: You can do the War one of these days. They

781
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 1: do it too, love. So on the hit Maker, what what?

782
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 1: What did you want to say? Why did you actually

783
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 1: do that that particular episode one, because you know, I

784
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 1: thought of a huge opportunity the first The first thing

785
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:56,400
Speaker 1: I did was I was a little trepidacious because when

786
00:42:56,440 --> 00:43:01,240
Speaker 1: you're thinking about the show Unsung, right, thinking about guys

787
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 1: that who are you know, older and who at the

788
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:06,359
Speaker 1: end of their career, and they're doing son to talk

789
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 1: about I'm like, waiting a minute, I'm I'm writing in

790
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 1: the middle of list thing. I ain't. I ain't. Oh yeah, man,

791
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:12,320
Speaker 1: we think you know. And and for that reason, I

792
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 1: have not let a lot of my artists do it,

793
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:16,279
Speaker 1: because I'm like, no, we're still in our prime. But

794
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 1: now they said, no, this is Unsung presents the hit Makers.

795
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 1: It's not just you know, it's not that. So I said, okay,

796
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 1: let's let's let's do it. And man, it was. It

797
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 1: was quite an amazing thing. To go back. We went

798
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 1: back to the church that I was born here, and

799
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 1: you know, and I walked that block. We went back

800
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 1: to my my, my neighborhood where I grew up in,

801
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:41,320
Speaker 1: which is the reason why I called my label my

802
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 1: block ink. It stems from that block, you know, uh,

803
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 1: being growing up on that block in south central l

804
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 1: A fifty second of Normty and and that we we

805
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 1: talked to about so many different things that I never

806
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 1: thought about. You know, you do your job. You know,

807
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:01,400
Speaker 1: I don't talk about my job. I just do it.

808
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:04,720
Speaker 1: You know, I don't. I don't. Nobody asked me questions

809
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 1: at the end of the day. You know, who'd you

810
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:08,840
Speaker 1: work with? That? Nobody? I just do it, and I

811
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:10,320
Speaker 1: work up in the morning, I do it again. I

812
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,879
Speaker 1: do it again, and you and you look back. It's

813
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:15,799
Speaker 1: been you know since I started this thing, It's been

814
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 1: over twenty years. I'm going really like somebody's been chronicling

815
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:25,319
Speaker 1: all these things. And it was it was a very

816
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 1: emotional thing, and I felt honored and blessed just looking

817
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 1: back and saying like, I'm at a age now where

818
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:36,880
Speaker 1: I can still do the exact same thing I did,

819
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 1: but this time I'm at that age. I'm in that

820
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:44,319
Speaker 1: middle of my forties where you know, I'm old enough.

821
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 1: I'm young enough to still do it, but I'm old

822
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:50,400
Speaker 1: enough to know better to do it a better way. Absolutely, absolutely,

823
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 1: And I love where I'm at with it and that

824
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 1: that show just helped me like realize all of that.

825
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:58,439
Speaker 1: It ain't over. I got a whole another second half

826
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 1: to do. Absolutely at the late age is never an excuse.

827
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 1: I'm talking to Warren Campbell or visionary music. Uh see,

828
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 1: he's one of these people. You know. I teached him

829
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 1: with that opening because he wanted the people go warrant

830
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 1: doing that too. Reason to say that he had a

831
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:17,399
Speaker 1: clothing line, y'all. Okay, Now, see see people out there mad.

832
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 1: They're happy, but they're mad. What I'm saying, he's doing

833
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 1: that too. Oh heck no, come on, now, what else

834
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:26,880
Speaker 1: you gonna do? Cook you're gonna start a restaurant hot dogs?

835
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 1: That what you're gonna do? Nat War you're preaching, you're

836
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 1: saving souls, you're putting kids in college. You got a

837
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 1: beautiful wife, she got a nasal syndicated show, you got

838
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:38,839
Speaker 1: gradm you gotta statues, she got plaques. You've been doing

839
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 1: this since she was came out of high school. Now

840
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 1: you gotta clothing line. Come on now, stop the madness

841
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:53,240
Speaker 1: talking about Earnest Paul Paul. Earnest Paul is uh Earnest

842
00:45:53,280 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 1: Paul Campbell, Sir, My grandfather love it so. Um. One

843
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 1: of the reasons why you know me today is because

844
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 1: of this man, my grandfather. Right, there's a there's a

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Speaker 1: lamb on the shirt because people are like, you know,

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Speaker 1: they get a little deeper. Was that for the lamb

847
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 1: of God? Said? It could be. It's really because my

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00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 1: grandfather every first Sunday of the month he cooked. He

849
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:18,320
Speaker 1: could lamb my grandfriend. He was an amazing cook, and

850
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 1: we have family dinner at his home every first Sunday,

851
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 1: and he would I mean this spread was amazing. It

852
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:26,359
Speaker 1: looked like when that movie So Food right right, right right.

853
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 1: That was my granddad every first Sunday. So the story is,

854
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 1: I'll tell it to you succinctly, my grandfather. You could

855
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Speaker 1: appreciate this with Sean was said to be the Jackie

856
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:45,799
Speaker 1: Robinson the radio wow in the in the thirties or forties. Um.

857
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 1: He was said to be the first black on air

858
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 1: personality at NBC Radio. So he goes in, he gets

859
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:58,720
Speaker 1: the job, he reads the news, the sports and the weather.

860
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 1: He has this amazing voice. Right, this is in New York.

861
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 1: After he gets off the air, uh, you know, he's

862
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 1: I'm excited, you know. And two white men walk up

863
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 1: to him who are also on their personalities while he's outside.

864
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 1: He said, hey, good job today, and they tell him

865
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Speaker 1: his mother, Daisy Campbell's address in the Bronx. He says, listen,

866
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 1: good job today. To badish your last day, m hm,

867
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 1: because if you come back here tomorrow, we're gonna show

868
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 1: up the soulial address and Daisy Campbell, we wanna kill

869
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 1: her and we're gonna burn the house down. And and

870
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 1: he said to me, that was during the time that

871
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 1: when a white person told you something like that, you

872
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 1: believe him, you believing that exactly, but especially in the forties,

873
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 1: he said. So he never went back, and so his

874
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:03,800
Speaker 1: dreams I just got crashed. And he became He became

875
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:06,800
Speaker 1: a bus driver in New York City Transit, drove buses

876
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:10,320
Speaker 1: for thirty forty years, you know. And and so this

877
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 1: is my father's father. And so because of that he

878
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:18,880
Speaker 1: would drill into my dad, don't you ever let nobody

879
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:22,319
Speaker 1: tell you what you can't do? Every day, every day?

880
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:25,839
Speaker 1: And when I was born, my grandfather and he got older,

881
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 1: he came to l A to live with us, and

882
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:30,239
Speaker 1: so I was praised in the house with my father

883
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 1: and my grandfather beautiful and he would drill it into me,

884
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 1: him and my dad. Don't you ever let anybody tell

885
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 1: you what you can't do. And that's why I have

886
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 1: a problem to this day. If you want to see

887
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:47,280
Speaker 1: me turn into a maniac. Let you have an idea

888
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:48,719
Speaker 1: of something I want to do and you tell me

889
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 1: I can't do it, I'll break my neck. And you're

890
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 1: just trying to do it the same way. I'm the same,

891
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 1: the same. And so this was something, this was a

892
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 1: started as a tribute to him. And I realized, you know,

893
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:05,360
Speaker 1: I was good at designing this stuff, all the pieces

894
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 1: that we were making. I was like, oh, this is amazing.

895
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 1: And I realized, bigger guys, um because I'm not I'm

896
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:14,240
Speaker 1: not a small guy. I'll wait two hundred forty pounds.

897
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 1: They don't have fly close casual clothes. You gotta go

898
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 1: to the store and uh, I mean my wife went

899
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:24,719
Speaker 1: to Paris and we was gonna shot. I couldn't buy

900
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 1: nothing right, right, right, right, So I said, what I

901
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 1: don't make some fly gear for guys my size. You

902
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:34,719
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, because they don't go ask four

903
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 1: X I wear two x R, right, they don't try

904
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:39,520
Speaker 1: to try to find the two X to the store.

905
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 1: It's very hard. So I said, I'm going up to

906
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:45,839
Speaker 1: five X. I'm not getting ready to uh go past

907
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:47,400
Speaker 1: five X is. I don't want to feed into your

908
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 1: old b CD too much. But you know, I don't

909
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:52,719
Speaker 1: make some close for the bigger guys. And that's how

910
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:54,799
Speaker 1: this started. And I named it after my grandfather, who

911
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:57,719
Speaker 1: was a big guy as well, and you know that's

912
00:49:57,719 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 1: where that came from. So we started. We have a

913
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 1: whole line line right now. You see the T shirts

914
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 1: in the hoodies, those are just promotional items that we're

915
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:06,759
Speaker 1: selling for a year and then the actual clothing line

916
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:09,719
Speaker 1: would come out two years with all the really cool

917
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 1: stuff that we already had planning. You know something, I

918
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 1: got a client, you know, big, he's big size. He

919
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 1: has a he's a name Jeff Jenkins. We shoot, we're

920
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:20,239
Speaker 1: shooting the series right now. On that geo. He goes

921
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 1: around the world and it does things that you know,

922
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:28,279
Speaker 1: challenges his fears and that outfit Earnest Paul man, we're

923
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 1: are gonna get his size if you don't mind sending

924
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 1: some stuff and I have to wear it on the

925
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:34,759
Speaker 1: on the show. Put it on social media because his

926
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 1: name is Jeff Jenkins is that social media is called

927
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 1: Trubby Diaries, and he's a he's right now traveler. He

928
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 1: goes Rode Food travel and that geo he's in fact,

929
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 1: he's right now take he's just left New Zealand and

930
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:50,879
Speaker 1: he's taking the second episode to this this week. He's

931
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 1: in Alabama taping this second episode this week. And like she,

932
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 1: we're gonna take ten episodes the first season. What you're

933
00:50:57,080 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 1: talking about is somebody. I love for him to, you know,

934
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:03,880
Speaker 1: just extra promotion on TV, showing it to the world,

935
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 1: your clothing a lot. So that's until we got We

936
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 1: gotta tell brother Jeff we got him, and I would

937
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 1: appreciate that because any any promotion right now, we've just

938
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 1: seen uh, last week Bill Bella, he had a T

939
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:17,920
Speaker 1: shirt on. He was on on Instagram. I said, oh, man,

940
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 1: I didn't because I don't know Bill. But the lady

941
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:23,239
Speaker 1: that's that's my partner. Her name is Okill. She has

942
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:25,760
Speaker 1: her own clothing line as well. She gave him some stuff,

943
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 1: and he started rocking and said, man, this is amazing

944
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 1: that Bill Bill by my side. Now for Ernest Paul

945
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 1: and look good on Rashaun. Now I got a million follows.

946
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:37,760
Speaker 1: I got a million follows. If I got to sell myself,

947
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 1: I cook on my TikTok video I got for the

948
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 1: one thousand followers they're cooking. Now I do it for you.

949
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:45,400
Speaker 1: I wear a T shirt because I was wearing suits

950
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:47,839
Speaker 1: when I do with TikTok cooking, because that's how that's

951
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:50,879
Speaker 1: But I put on Ernest Paul for you. That brother,

952
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna send you some T shirts. I'm sending you

953
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:57,239
Speaker 1: a sweatshirt, sent you a Hoodie's beautiful. But again the

954
00:51:57,320 --> 00:51:59,400
Speaker 1: bigger picture, Jeff jakins, I want to get it to

955
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:01,839
Speaker 1: him so we can rock your stuff on this show,

956
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:04,759
Speaker 1: which is on that g oh Man. But we with

957
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:07,840
Speaker 1: twenty six minutes warm. We've just been talking, man, and

958
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 1: I just want to I don't want to hold you

959
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:13,440
Speaker 1: any long because you your daughter and spelled, but Jesus spelled.

960
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 1: But that's so I got you. Now, I got you.

961
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:18,759
Speaker 1: I got you. When you come down here, I cook

962
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:21,160
Speaker 1: all the time here. I can't cook like your grandfather

963
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 1: when I can cook, You're gonna come down here. We're

964
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:25,960
Speaker 1: gonna cook a meal. And if Americas the time, I'm

965
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 1: gonna coming down and do it. But I'm just glad

966
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:30,479
Speaker 1: we finally got to talk. You know, I love Erica

967
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:32,320
Speaker 1: the death, but I always wanted to sit down and

968
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 1: talk to you, man. And what you're had in life, man,

969
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 1: is a beautiful place. And thank you for coming on.

970
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Speaker 1: Money Making Conversation master Class. Okay, thank you, brother, I

971
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:42,719
Speaker 1: appreciate that. Thank you, and we talked soon. Man. You've

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973
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Speaker 1: Making Conversation Masterclass with your daily Minute of Inspiration. This week,

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Speaker 1: I sat down with director, executive producer, and head writer

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Speaker 1: of the hit series First Killed on Netflix, Felicia Henderson.

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981
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982
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Speaker 1: a big believer that the writer's room should have the

983
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:28,560
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984
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Speaker 1: to make sure there wasn't just one queer person in

985
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Speaker 1: the room who everybody was looking at. Going and now

986
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Speaker 1: we turned to you as the queer expert, because you know,

987
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Speaker 1: it's like, like all experiences, there's no such thing as

988
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:44,879
Speaker 1: a monolithic experience or whatever it is that you are.

989
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