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Speaker 2: We have an amazing show for everybody today. What do

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Speaker 4: Indeed, we do.

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Speaker 1: Lots of interesting things unfolding right here in the nation's capital.

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Speaker 1: We finally got the text of that border plus Ukraine

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Speaker 1: plus Israel deal and there is something for everyone to hate.

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Speaker 1: Apparently we will get into what's in it, and also

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Speaker 1: it's increasingly long odds of actually passing. At the same time,

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Speaker 1: we are taking a look at the fact that AI

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Speaker 1: is already taking white collar jobs.

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Speaker 1: Fact that tech has in many ways recovered this year

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Speaker 1: Saga and I believe have different assessments.

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Speaker 4: Of the utility and the future of this thing.

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Speaker 1: Jeff Stein is coming in studio to give us a

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Speaker 4: How is the economy actually a very challenging.

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Speaker 1: Border Ukraine Israel bill that would permanently ban funding from UNRA,

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Speaker 1: And let me tell you something, guys. Those allegations against

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Speaker 2: Let's move to the areas of the Border bill which

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Speaker 2: Senator Schumer had a stunning pronouncement on MSNBC yesterday in

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Speaker 6: Well, if we don't aid Ukraine, Putin will be walk

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Speaker 6: If we don't help humanitarian aid to the starving Palestinians

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Speaker 6: Speaker Johnson, he said, it's chaos. We have to do

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Speaker 1: It is insane that the way that they act like

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Speaker 1: You know what's amazing in this bill that I think

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Speaker 4: That pulled this out.

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Speaker 1: a second, aren't you supposed to have a strategy already.

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Speaker 1: We've been at this for years at this point, and

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Speaker 2: I will read directly from the text of the bill.

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Speaker 2: He says that the House of Representatives will have a

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Speaker 2: This will hasten Ukrainian victory against Russian invasion forces.

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Speaker 2: For example, Crystal Currently the line is to support Taiwan.

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Speaker 2: And the reason why is because if Ukraine falls, then

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Speaker 2: They decided not to take that peace deal back in

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Speaker 3: Now at this point the.

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Speaker 2: Only humanitarian thing and strategically important thing you could do

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Speaker 2: But honestly, at this point they have squandered their chances

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's really our fault too, so for pushing

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Speaker 1: it's very revealing that within this document, within this bill

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Speaker 1: now it's already a complete disaster. We already missed the

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Speaker 1: best moment that would have achieved for Ukraine, the best

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Speaker 4: And that's just the sad truth.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, And you know, and then they can't complain is that, oh,

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Speaker 2: we sacrifice so many people. It's like, well, welcome to

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Speaker 2: the logic of the First World War. You should have

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Speaker 2: tried to settle it whenever you could. Should you listen to.

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Speaker 3: The wrong guy.

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Speaker 4: Honestly, it's heartbreaking.

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Speaker 3: On Israel as well.

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Speaker 2: There's just you can't even make some of this stuff up.

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Speaker 2: Let's put this up there on the screen again. Flagged

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Speaker 2: by Michael Tracy, he says and points out all of

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Speaker 2: these seventeen billion.

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Speaker 3: Dollars appropriated for Israel in this bill.

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Speaker 2: Any congressional notification requirement applicable to funds made available under

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Speaker 2: if the Secretary of State determined so in the national

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know, you should really, if you're eighteen

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Speaker 4: Great to see her.

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Speaker 4: Yes, it's fantastic, I really do.

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Speaker 5: And it's very irrelevant.

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Speaker 4: All right, so let's put this up on the screen.

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Speaker 5: Right at this moment, I think.

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Speaker 3: We'll give us both sides.

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Speaker 7: Then, well, I think from the perspective of the White House,

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Speaker 7: four percent since the nineteen sixties. The job market continues

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Speaker 5: For over a year. Now.

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Speaker 7: down sort of where they were in twenty nineteen, twenty eighteen,

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Speaker 7: and that is huge at a time where the economy

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Speaker 7: is adding jobs where payrolls are continuing to grow, where

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Speaker 7: you're seeing increases in private and public sector employment, retail,

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Speaker 7: white collar work, manufacturing up to above where it was

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Speaker 7: under Trump, healthcare.

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Speaker 5: All these sectors are growing really.

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Speaker 7: Fast, and it seems like the investments that the administration

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Speaker 7: made in green energy and chips in infrastructure is beginning

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Speaker 7: to really beove the economy in a very important way.

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Speaker 5: Should I get into the hut of the flip side,

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Speaker 5: I think is.

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Speaker 7: The American public is still catching up to the pain

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Speaker 7: of inflation, and that's probably the number one reason that

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Speaker 7: people still don't give Bying a lot of credit, the

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Speaker 7: hangover from inflation. You may have seen inflation go to

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Speaker 7: three percent, but as you guys know, when you go

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Speaker 7: from six to nine to three, you're still cumulatively way

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Speaker 7: up from where you were before. And so people don't

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Speaker 7: necessarily measure things in the same time horizons that economist

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Speaker 7: in Washington do, and that is to my mind, completely

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Speaker 7: rational and completely understandable. You've also seen when the COVID

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Speaker 7: safety net disappeared and the inflation raging at the exact

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Speaker 7: same time the hardship indicators, and I think this doesn't

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Speaker 7: get nearly enough attention in Washington that's so focused on

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Speaker 7: the labor market. But hunger, poverty, those kind of lack

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Speaker 7: of insurance, the safety that has really frayed in important

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Speaker 7: ways and ways that contradict the increase in wages that

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Speaker 7: have outpaced inflation. And you've seen, i think, twenty twenty

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Speaker 7: two according to Feeding America, the biggest food bank in America,

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Speaker 7: they said that this last that twenty twenty two was

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Speaker 7: the biggest spike in hunger in American history, forty four

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Speaker 7: percent increase in hungry kids. I mean, that is tremendous

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Speaker 7: suffering at the bottom and lower middle class, and a

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Speaker 7: lot of those people are not you know. You know,

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Speaker 7: some people will say that, look, the middle is doing okay,

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Speaker 7: but the bottom has done very well. And there's some

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Speaker 7: indicators that wages at the very bottom have grown the most.

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Speaker 7: But people who are making seventy sixty k a year,

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Speaker 7: who have suffered and have not seen their wages on

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Speaker 7: trend with where they were before before the pandemic, they

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Speaker 7: are still not like, you know, the rich people. And

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Speaker 7: to say that that's like the privileged of America, I

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Speaker 7: think is really misreading the current moments I filibuster for

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Speaker 7: too long.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, this is great because that's exactly what I

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Speaker 2: wanted to get to, which is that you have a

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Speaker 2: narrative about how the economy has gotten better, and on

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Speaker 2: paper people are like, yeah, at least the White House

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Speaker 2: and others, and if you're in the top twenty five

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Speaker 2: percent or whatever, it's probably fair. But then you also have,

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Speaker 2: as you said, in sticky inflation, inflation time horizon extends years.

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Speaker 2: We don't measure prices in quarters. We think about the

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Speaker 2: most of our lives for two percent inflation.

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Speaker 3: And then we have twenty percent inflation. You're like, what

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Speaker 3: the hell happened?

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Speaker 2: So it's one of those where the experience of the

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Speaker 2: economy is different now. At the same time, we do

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Speaker 2: see things that are trending up in terms of consumer

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Speaker 2: sentiment and others. So where what indicators can we look

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Speaker 2: at for how peopleeople who are experiencing the economy feel

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Speaker 2: about the economy going forward and how that's going to

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Speaker 2: impact politics, Because I know the Biden White I was

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Speaker 2: probably tracking that the most closely.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean so, sentiment, like how people feel about

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Speaker 7: the economy is at a three year high highest it's

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Speaker 7: been since twenty twenty one, since before inflation, and that

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Speaker 7: seems to be primarily driven by gas prices staying in

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Speaker 7: the stock market being high. Yes, if you're asking, like,

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Speaker 7: what is the last mile there for getting people to

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Speaker 7: actually feel good about the economy. We looked at a

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Speaker 7: survey recently that found that the number one reason that

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Speaker 7: people still say that inflation is hurting them is at

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Speaker 7: the grocery store. That they still feel every time they go.

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Speaker 7: And I don't know if you guys do your grocery shopping,

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Speaker 7: but it just feels incredibly random to people where it's like, yeah,

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Speaker 7: this thing that was like I remember in my you know,

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Speaker 7: very recent memory, was like two dollars an hour at six,

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Speaker 7: and then it goes down and then something else goes up.

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Speaker 2: I mean it's chicken. It's like seeing the price. I'm like,

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Speaker 2: I cannot believe this.

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Speaker 7: Culture plain is actually were a huge thing that exploded

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Speaker 7: even last year when grocery this overall plateau.

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Speaker 1: Guys puts C three up on the screen while Jeff

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Speaker 1: is talking about this because he just had a piece

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Speaker 1: at the Washington Post. The headline is inflation has fallen.

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Speaker 1: Why are grocery still so expensive. So what did you

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Speaker 1: find there.

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Speaker 7: Well, what the White House has been saying is that

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Speaker 7: corporate profits continue to rise. We're seeing basically the producer

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Speaker 7: price inducks not to get into the econ TALC, but

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Speaker 7: the producer price INDECKS, which measures the input costs for firms,

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Speaker 7: has fallen dramatically and that has not necessarily resulted in

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Speaker 7: consumer prices.

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Speaker 4: So it's great claiming.

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Speaker 7: Sub Subsequently, and what the White House put out analysis

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Speaker 7: saying is that corporate profits in this sector are at

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Speaker 7: a twenty year high and remain two percentage points higher

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Speaker 7: than they were before the pandemic.

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Speaker 5: And that's a lot of money. That's billions of dollars

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Speaker 5: on the table.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, most economists I talked to will say that the

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Speaker 7: overwhelming driver remains things related to climate change and supply

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Speaker 7: chain's shock. So that's you know, everything from av and

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Speaker 7: flu which killed like eighty million birds or something insane.

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Speaker 7: Florida got ravaged by hurricanes, and you have like a

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Speaker 7: crippling of citrus production. So there's all these like weird,

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Speaker 7: idiosyncratic things. But as long as natural disasters keeps striking

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Speaker 7: different parts of the world in weird ways, you're gonna

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Speaker 7: have these like weird price volatier volatility in grocery stores,

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Speaker 7: and I think sager to get back to your point

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Speaker 7: earlier about like how people view the economy. One thing

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Speaker 7: that like economists who are more sympathetic to Biden will

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Speaker 7: say is that people externalize price hikes. They like view

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Speaker 7: those as outside their control, and they internalize wage gains

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Speaker 7: where they're like, I did that, I got that job

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Speaker 7: because like, of course, people earn their raises and they

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Speaker 7: feel like they should get credit for them, And I

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Speaker 7: totally don't think that should be taken away from people.

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Speaker 5: But it's also understandable.

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Speaker 7: That people don't see that often the same factors that

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Speaker 7: push up inflation are the same reasons that they're pay goes.

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Speaker 1: That's interesting, So they're not like Joe Biden gave me

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Speaker 1: a raise, which is very understandable that.

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Speaker 7: It no, but it's also likes a it's a problem

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Speaker 7: for like, as you guys know, there's this school of

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Speaker 7: macroeconomic policy making that's like taking over the range of

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Speaker 7: the Democratic Party that said we need massive kinsine stimulus,

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Speaker 7: and if that leads to a political situation where people

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Speaker 7: are mad because they don't see the inflation as their responsibility,

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Speaker 7: and they see the wage gains as something they did

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Speaker 7: that is an untenable answer politically to the next time

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Speaker 7: we have a recession.

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Speaker 1: So some of the theories that I have seen of

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Speaker 1: why Joe Biden. I think the latest poll had him

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Speaker 1: at I think thirty six percent approval on the economy.

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Speaker 1: It's still dramatically underwater on the economy. People give Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump much higher marks on the economy in terms of

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Speaker 1: his economic stewardship in spite of you know, the labor

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Speaker 1: market and the low unemployment rate and the wage gains

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Speaker 1: and even consumer sentence sentiment being at a multi year high.

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Speaker 1: Here are two theories that I've heard about why that's happening.

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Speaker 1: One of them is it's the media's fault, like people

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Speaker 1: are being tricked into thinking the economy is bad because

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Speaker 1: of all the dumerism.

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Speaker 4: A lot of people are saying that.

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Speaker 1: And then the other one is that it actually is

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Speaker 1: just another indicator of people are like this dude is

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Speaker 1: too old, and I just don't really think he's capable

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Speaker 1: of doing anything. I don't think he's capable of handling

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Speaker 1: the economy. I don't think he's capable of handling foreign policy.

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Speaker 1: I don't think he's capable of like doing a Super

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Speaker 1: Bowl interview, and so the perception and I would say

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Speaker 1: reality of him as this you know, very aged man

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Speaker 1: is weighing even on his economic approval numbers.

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Speaker 7: I don't want to be too normative or didactically. I

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Speaker 7: don't want to take too from a review because I

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Speaker 7: think as a reporter we can like fairly evaluate these

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Speaker 7: kinds of theories and other theories and give them, you know, respect,

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Speaker 7: and treat people who are making these arguments, like take

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Speaker 7: their argument seriously. But I think I've one of the

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Speaker 7: few people who has like taken Americans that face value

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Speaker 7: and understood and seeing good reason for some of the

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Speaker 7: things that they believe. Like we had the Sager was

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Speaker 7: saying the fastest inflation in forty years, and then there's

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Speaker 7: this question of like why are people upset like their

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Speaker 7: wages were not keeping up with inflation at the worst

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Speaker 7: level that we were seeing in decades. And your point,

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Speaker 7: Crystal is like, well, if economic sentiment is up, then

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Speaker 7: why isn't that leading to Biden's approval on the economy

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Speaker 7: going up?

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Speaker 5: And someone could throw.

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Speaker 7: This back at my face in a few months, But

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Speaker 7: I think with sentiment going up, we're going to see

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Speaker 7: Biden's ratings on the economy also go up. It's still

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Speaker 7: so recent, Like the increase in consumer sentiment is just

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Speaker 7: a few months old, and it took a very long

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Speaker 7: time for cooling inflation to lead to better sentiment. So

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Speaker 7: it makes perfect sense to me that it will take

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Speaker 7: time for better sentiment to lead to better economic ratings

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Speaker 7: for the president. If they don't, I don't think it's

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Speaker 7: implausible to say, like maybe like they don't like this

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Speaker 7: guy because he's so old, and that's it. You know,

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Speaker 7: that seems like a plausible theory, the idea. I mean,

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Speaker 7: maybe I've been too defensive about this, but what you're

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Speaker 7: alluding to is, you know, there's Will Stancil and others

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Speaker 7: have said, like it's the faults of the media. You

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Speaker 7: guys hate Biden and that's the reason people are just

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Speaker 7: around the economy, and maybe like it's rational for me

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Speaker 7: as a reporter to be like, I'm not responsible for that,

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Speaker 7: but like, at the same time, like your argument is

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Speaker 7: that the media would have been more friendly to Trump,

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Speaker 7: Like if inflation had happened under Trump, right, we would

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Speaker 7: have been I don't know, that is hard for me

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Speaker 7: to countenance.

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Speaker 5: But I but some people argue it.

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Speaker 4: Yeahs, Actually that is a great point.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, excellent points. Jeff. It's always great talking to you man.

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Speaker 2: Everybody, go and subscribe to his John Brown podcast, and

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Speaker 2: thank you so much for joining us.

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Speaker 3: Appreciate to see you, Jeff, Thanks so much, Gus.

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Speaker 1: All Right, guys, a stunning admission on Sunday TV this

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Speaker 1: weekend when former Sentcom Commander General Frank McKenzie made this

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Speaker 1: revelation about how the Israeli operation is going in Gaza.

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Speaker 4: Take a listen.

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Speaker 1: US intelligence estimates is really forces have killed about twenty

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Speaker 1: to thirty percent of Hamas fighters since October.

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Speaker 4: That is far short of destroying Hamas. How did you

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Speaker 4: judge the level of success of Israel's campaign.

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Speaker 8: It's very limited so far. I think they set themselves

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Speaker 8: a goal of removing the political echelon and the military

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Speaker 8: leadership echelon of Hamas when they went in. They have

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Speaker 8: not been successful to date at doing either. And these

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Speaker 8: campaigns are nonlinear, so they don't necessarily go from day

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Speaker 8: to day. You could have a big breakthrough here and

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Speaker 8: things could change suddenly on the ground. But I think

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Speaker 8: the larger issue, at least for me looking at it

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Speaker 8: is you have to have a theory for what it's

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Speaker 8: going to look like when it's over, what's going to

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Speaker 8: happen in Gaza. And we've had some people that have

661
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Speaker 8: talked about it earlier on the show today, and I

662
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Speaker 8: think it's important to consider that you need a vision

663
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Speaker 8: of an end state when you begin a military campaign,

664
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Speaker 8: because everything you do then subtracts or adds to your

665
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 8: ability to get to that point. And I would argue

666
00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 8: that needs to be something like a two state solution,

667
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 8: need help from the Arab nations in the region to

668
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Speaker 8: go in there and do something in Gaza. I think

669
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Speaker 8: Israeli occupation would be the least desirable of all outcomes.

670
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Speaker 4: So just think about that. What he's saying.

671
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Speaker 1: He says their success military success is quote very limited

672
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Speaker 1: so far. This in spite of the fact that somewhere

673
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 1: around thirty thousand Palestinians have been killed. The bombing campaign

674
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 1: has been more devastating than historic devastating campaigns like dressed

675
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Speaker 1: in a majority of buildings in all of Gaza have

676
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Speaker 1: been damaged or destroyed.

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Speaker 4: And yet, in spite of all.

678
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Speaker 1: Of that, their actual stated objectives, which is I have

679
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 1: talked about many times, do not appear to be the

680
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 1: real objectives of the operation. But in terms of the

681
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 1: stated objectives, the success has been quote very limited so far.

682
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really crazy, And in terms of the overall

683
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 2: US military, we have some crazy new reporting from Ken

684
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Speaker 2: Klippenstein in our own Ryan Graham, let's go ahead and

685
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Speaker 2: put this up there on the screen.

686
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Speaker 3: It appears crystal that the.

687
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 2: White House falsely said that it had warned the government

688
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 2: of Iraq of impending air strikes. The reason that this

689
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 2: is very important is number one, they lied, and they

690
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 2: straight up said at the press conference that they had

691
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,719
Speaker 2: done it, and then only later on did they claim

692
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 2: quote for operational security, we do not provide any official

693
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 2: pre notification with specific detail on these strikes. The reason

694
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Speaker 2: why this is really important, beyond the fact that our

695
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 2: government just straight up lies to us about whatever they

696
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 2: bomb ri trees, is that many of this is part

697
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 2: of an even crazier political element to this. The groups

698
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 2: which bombed and helped kill these Americans, many of them

699
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 2: were officially part of the Iraqi government, and in fact,

700
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Speaker 2: the Iraqi Prime Minister has been visiting militia members who

701
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Speaker 2: were wounded in US hair strikes in the hospital, just

702
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 2: to show you the level of convoluting here, because he

703
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 2: has deep ties to Iran and the Iranian militias have

704
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 2: run the country now for twenty some years, been an

705
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Speaker 2: incredibly important aspect of that.

706
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Speaker 3: But it just gets to some of the craziness.

707
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Speaker 2: Right now, the Biden administration is engaged with the Iraqi

708
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 2: government to keep our troops in the country. So at

709
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 2: the very same moment that we're bombing said country and

710
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 2: bombing elements of that country which have ties to that government,

711
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 2: we're also trying to keep our troops in that country,

712
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Speaker 2: all because of a war in God make.

713
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Speaker 3: It makes sense to me. It doesn't so somebody they

714
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 3: know it makes sense, of.

715
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Speaker 2: Course, because when you explain it to people are like,

716
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 2: what what are you talking about?

717
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 3: But they don't want you to know.

718
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Speaker 2: They don't want people to ask any questions about this.

719
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Speaker 2: They just assume you can drop bombs on You know,

720
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Speaker 2: there was a time when I was a child where

721
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 2: we actually weren't bombing anybody. It was you know, it's

722
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Speaker 2: interesting to consider it's only a very modern phenomenon where

723
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Speaker 2: there's things just happen and people dine a far flowing

724
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Speaker 2: place and.

725
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Speaker 3: You go what were they doing over there?

726
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 2: And then you go back to watching the Simpsons or whatever,

727
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 2: and you just forget that it happened.

728
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Speaker 1: And the US government can't even really tell you why

729
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 1: they're there or what they're doing. And considered, I mean

730
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Speaker 1: not to go back to the Iraq War, but consider

731
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 1: the utter failure of the know real goals of that war,

732
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 1: which was in part to serve as a check on Iran,

733
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 1: and now Iran is like basically running the country basically, So.

734
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Speaker 4: Great job on that one. Once again, guys, way to go.

735
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Speaker 1: You really did what you you know, meant to do

736
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:15,799
Speaker 1: and meant to accomplish there. And that's the part that

737
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 1: just drives me insane is they know that there is

738
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 1: no military solution to HMAS. They know that these strikes

739
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 1: are not going to do a damn thing to deter

740
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 1: these militias to keep our service members safe. They know

741
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:31,879
Speaker 1: all of that, and yet they do it anyway. They

742
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 1: know that the only way that tensions actually de escalate

743
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 1: in the region and can return to some sense of

744
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 1: normalcy and stability is through a ceasefire in Gaza, and

745
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 1: yet instead they pursue this policy of just like sporadic

746
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 1: bombing and you know, apparently lying to the American people

747
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 1: about what they're doing and who they told about it.

748
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Speaker 4: Reuter's confirmed, you.

749
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Speaker 1: Can put this up on the screen that the US

750
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Speaker 1: did not give pre notification to Iraq ahead of strikes.

751
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:01,359
Speaker 1: This reporter from Reuter says, hey, this is directly contradictory,

752
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 1: contradicting what the White House said on record on Friday

753
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 1: that the Biden administration did indeed notify the Iraqis ahead

754
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Speaker 1: of time. And put the next one up on the

755
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 1: screen as well, you know, to the point of they

756
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 1: know that this isn't going to work, That is not

757
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 1: going to deter anyone or keep any of our service

758
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 1: members safe. The Iran back groups have continued to target

759
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:25,839
Speaker 1: American bases as the US plans further strikes. And yet

760
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 1: these are the same people Sagur who want to tell

761
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Speaker 1: us that, oh, it hasn't spread into a wider war,

762
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 1: it's still contained in Gaza. As we literally bomb and

763
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 1: you know, take incoming in three different countries. It's just,

764
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 1: you know, it's absolutely preposterous. So US military official confirmed

765
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Speaker 1: there were fatalities from an attack on the al Omar

766
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Speaker 1: oil field, part of a complex that includes a US

767
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:53,360
Speaker 1: base and jointly controlled with the American military. Those casualties

768
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:58,919
Speaker 1: were not Americans, they were some allied militias that took

769
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 1: that incoming and you know, suffered fatalities from these attacks.

770
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Speaker 1: Syrian Democratic Forces US allied Kurdish militia said six of

771
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Speaker 1: their fighters had died in that drone strike on al Omar.

772
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Speaker 1: So the bottom line is here, we've taken We've seen

773
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Speaker 1: more than one hundred and sixty five attacks on American

774
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:19,320
Speaker 1: basis with rockets, missiles, drones or mortars since October seventh.

775
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 1: As I've said one hundred times, the only time when

776
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 1: these attacks stopped was when there was a ceasefire.

777
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:25,479
Speaker 4: For six days.

778
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Speaker 1: When there was a ceasefire, these attacks stopped, and the

779
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 1: hoo thies all but stopped what they were doing on

780
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Speaker 1: the Red Sea as well.

781
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 4: It is plain as day what.

782
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 1: The correct strategy is here to protect our service members

783
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 1: and to actually achieve de escalation in the region, and

784
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 1: yet they refuse to actually pursue the policies that would

785
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 1: lead in that direction.

786
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's stunning whenever you read this, because

787
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 2: it just shows that the what expansion is likely. Also,

788
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 2: you know, increasingly we just we only unfortunately, we're only

789
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 2: paying attention to people get killed, and obviously we should

790
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 2: pay attention. But there are a lot of them, these

791
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 2: service members who have been wounded, who have been suffered

792
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 2: traumatic brain injuries. Also these Syrians, they were under our protection,

793
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 2: just so everybody knows. They were on an American air

794
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 2: base and six of them died.

795
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Speaker 3: I mean, you.

796
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,839
Speaker 2: Should think our troops are not that far away. It's

797
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 2: probably a miracle that our people didn't get killed in

798
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 2: that attack. And once no one can answer this question,

799
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 2: why are they there in the first place? Why are

800
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 2: they sitting ducks? The Iranians have the luxury of being

801
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 2: able to move about the country as they please and

802
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 2: go back to their country if they want to. Our

803
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 2: people are sitting on the same base with no change

804
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 2: in strategy, a government that is lying to their own people,

805
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:40,320
Speaker 2: and you know, even.

806
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:40,799
Speaker 3: The troops there.

807
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 2: How could you have any confidence in the Biden administration

808
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 2: right now after what's happening.

809
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 3: I cannot tell you how badly I feel for them to.

810
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 2: Just be sitting there, you know, without the support that

811
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 2: you need, a populace which is basically distracted as to

812
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 2: your plight, and of course as we said it all

813
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 2: comes back to Gaza. At the same time, let's put

814
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 2: this up there on the screen. Netanyahu's saying that the

815
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 2: war in Gaza will not be over before the killing

816
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 2: of Hamas leadership, quote unquote, stressing it will take another

817
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:09,279
Speaker 2: few months, So doubling down on the strategy Crystal and

818
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 2: really I think they're coming under intense military pressure. Maybe

819
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,320
Speaker 2: at home you can tell me if I'm wrong to try.

820
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 2: They're like, hey, you said you're going to kill the

821
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 2: mass leadership. You haven't killed a Moss leadership. You haven't

822
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:21,319
Speaker 2: you know? Yeah, what's his name?

823
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 5: Sinwar?

824
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:26,760
Speaker 2: He remains inside these tunnels, surrounded by hostages, allegedly by

825
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 2: the Israelis. It's like, well, if you know where he is,

826
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 2: what are you going to do about it? And then

827
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 2: it comes to the question of well, clearly you've been

828
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 2: doing this now for what It's February sixth, so tomorrow

829
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 2: is what the four month anniversary I believe of the attacks.

830
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 2: So it's a quarter of a year that we've had

831
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 2: this happening, and you haven't been able to with the

832
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:46,799
Speaker 2: world's most advanced technology and a ground invasion all that,

833
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,840
Speaker 2: you haven't rescued a single hostage, So what are you

834
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:50,839
Speaker 2: going to do about it?

835
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Speaker 3: The hostage situation.

836
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 2: Now is almost certainly going to be resolved through maybe

837
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Speaker 2: ceasfire negotiation. It remains up in the air as of today,

838
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 2: Secretary Blincoln with MBS yesterday.

839
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Speaker 3: But that's all the progress that we have so far.

840
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean, I think this cuts against the

841
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 1: idea of a ceasefire being negotiated right now. As we

842
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 1: covered yesterday, Netanyahu is under intense pressure from the far

843
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 1: right Ben Gavern's motriges of his coalition who are throwing

844
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:20,759
Speaker 1: threatening to blow the whole thing up, blow up his

845
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 1: entire governing coalition if he were to take some sort

846
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 1: of deal of the type that Hamas would be willing

847
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 1: to accept the more quote unquote moderate parts of his

848
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 1: coalition or the other side of that. So he is,

849
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 1: you know, being pulled in both directions and outside of

850
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 1: his own ideology, which has been very clear over time.

851
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 1: His number one interest is in his own political self preservation,

852
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 1: which again cuts in the direction of you know, placating

853
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 1: the right, keeping that coalition together, trying to keep the

854
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 1: war going for as long as possible, and in lieu

855
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 1: of achieving actual military success, bringing to the people these

856
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 1: images of horror and destruction in an attempt to cover

857
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 1: for the fact that the goals they claim to support

858
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 1: of destroying Hamas are never going to be achieved, even

859
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:10,479
Speaker 1: if they get sinwar ultimately, which may happen.

860
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Speaker 4: I don't know.

861
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 1: The actual goal of eradicating Hamas was always a fantasy

862
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 1: from day one, something we've been talking about the entire time.

863
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 3: It's not difficult to predict.

864
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely.

865
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Speaker 8: So.

866
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Speaker 1: At the same time, there was one other aspect of

867
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Speaker 1: that Border Ukraine Israel bill that we wanted to dig

868
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 1: into with regard to Israel, which is that the bill

869
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 1: officially permanently cuts aid to UNRA, which is the primary

870
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 1: humanitarian organization to the benefit of Palestinians, not just in

871
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:45,799
Speaker 1: Gaza and not even just in the West Bank, but

872
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 1: the entire Palestinian diaspora around the region. Can put this

873
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 1: up on the screen, it has the text of the bill.

874
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 1: So the commentary here is by partisan Border Israel Ukraine

875
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 1: package blocks all funding for UNRA from the US, it's

876
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Speaker 1: biggest donor.

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00:41:59,480 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 4: Let me reach you.

878
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,400
Speaker 1: The Texas says, none of the funds appropriate or otherwise

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Speaker 1: made available by this division and Division B of this

880
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 1: Act and prior acts blah blah blah may be made

881
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 1: available for a contribution, grant, or other payment to the

882
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 1: United Nations Relief and Works Agency otherwise known as UNRA,

883
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 1: notwithstanding any other provision of law.

884
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 4: So you will recall.

885
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 1: That on the very day that the ICJ, relying in

886
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 1: part on some of the testimony and some of the

887
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 1: analysis of UNRA officials, when they've ruled that Israel may

888
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:37,399
Speaker 1: be plausibly committing genocide, on that very day, the US

889
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 1: suddenly jumped to and said, oh, we received these quote unquote,

890
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:45,400
Speaker 1: highly credible allegations about a dozen UNRAH employees out of

891
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:49,839
Speaker 1: I think thirty thousand participating in October seventh, allegedly, and

892
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 1: they described this as intelligence that they got from the

893
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:55,280
Speaker 1: Israelis that was highly credible.

894
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:55,840
Speaker 4: Okay.

895
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 1: So on the very day that the ICJ says we

896
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 1: need to increase humanitarian aid to the Gaza population, which

897
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 1: is literally starving to death, we the main backer of

898
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 1: pull our funding, and that triggers a cascading effect where

899
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 1: some thirteen other countries or something cut their funding as well,

900
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:18,360
Speaker 1: dramatically dealing a blow that will further starve and impoverish

901
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:22,720
Speaker 1: the Palestinian population in Gaza. So I actually was able

902
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 1: to look at the allegations that were made by the Israelis.

903
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 1: Source sent me a copy of what has been passed

904
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:31,799
Speaker 1: around to various news outlets like the New York Times

905
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 1: in the Wall Street Journal that they just and out

906
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:36,800
Speaker 1: run with. It is incredible to me, Like I didn't

907
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 1: think I could be shocked by this saga, but it

908
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 1: is actually incredible because it is literally just a evidence

909
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 1: free list of allegations, literally like a list of names

910
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:48,799
Speaker 1: and this person did that, and that person did that,

911
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 1: and they say, oh, it's based on identification cards and

912
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 1: other intelligence, but no actual evidence is provided. Now, maybe

913
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 1: they did participate, and maybe they didn't. I can tell

914
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 1: you there's definitely not enough that has been provided to

915
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 1: say anything about this.

916
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 4: Again, zero evidence provided.

917
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 1: But second of all, these people have already been fired

918
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:12,240
Speaker 1: just based on the allegations, and so they are cutting

919
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 1: they are collectively punishing the entire Palestinian population over evidence

920
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 1: free allegations against a tiny handful of employees.

921
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 4: Of a large organization. Is truly stunning.

922
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 1: At the same time, a State Department spokesperson yesterday was

923
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 1: pressed on the funding of UNRA and is using this

924
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 1: text in the bill, which hasn't even been passed yet,

925
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 1: in an attempt to justify their cutting of the aid

926
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 1: to this vital humanitarian organization.

927
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 4: Let's take a listen to that.

928
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:50,240
Speaker 9: Obviously, there is text in this pending legislation that would

929
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:54,359
Speaker 9: preclude us from doing so. We are an administration that

930
00:44:54,440 --> 00:45:01,840
Speaker 9: follows the law. That being said, in this pending legislation,

931
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 9: there is ten billion dollars for humanitarian sistence, of which

932
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 9: one point four billion is for humanitarian aid for Gaza.

933
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:16,240
Speaker 9: This is an issue we take very seriously. We also believe,

934
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 9: even prior to this conversation about the supplemental we have,

935
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 9: as I told Simon, been unambiguous in my opinion about

936
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 9: the critical work that UNRA does, not just in Gaza,

937
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:30,800
Speaker 9: but in other parts of the region as well.

938
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Speaker 1: So amazingly he says, oh, we're an administration that follows

939
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 1: the law, which by the way, is a complete lie.

940
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:39,240
Speaker 1: When it comes to Israel, they just do whatever they want, clearly,

941
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 1: or when it comes to bombing random countries, they clearly

942
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:42,359
Speaker 1: do whatever they want.

943
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 4: They do not follow the law.

944
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 1: But also again, this bill hasn't even passed yet, and

945
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 1: they're using it as some kind of cover to justify

946
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:53,320
Speaker 1: their unilateral decision based on zero evidence to cut funding

947
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 1: to this agency.

948
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, Chris, so after reviewing the dossier which you so

949
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 2: graciously helped share with us, and that we can provide

950
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 2: for everybody else, I don't want I just want to say, like,

951
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 2: you're really not exaggerating. I will not read, you know,

952
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 2: because there's some identifying details. But they literally just say,

953
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 2: quote unquote was a Hamas operative he entered Israeli territory

954
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 2: on seven ten and participated in actions.

955
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:17,799
Speaker 3: That's it. I just read it direct quote. There's no

956
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:18,839
Speaker 3: like an Indian.

957
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:22,320
Speaker 1: Photographs or here's the you know, cell phone in Literally nothing,

958
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:24,319
Speaker 1: I mean not even on the level of remember those

959
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 1: supposed audio intercepts that were so laughably like fictitious that

960
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 1: they would say nothing, it's just so and so did X. Baseless,

961
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 1: no evidence, nothing. I truly am s donne by it,

962
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 1: not because I don't put it past the Israeli government,

963
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:40,799
Speaker 1: and I guess I should, you know, shouldn't have any

964
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:43,399
Speaker 1: sort of expectation for our newisance outlets at this point.

965
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 1: But both the New York Times and Wall Street Journal

966
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:48,319
Speaker 1: just ran with this zero evidence. I mean, we're just

967
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 1: you know, YouTubers, over here, podcasters, and we would never

968
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 1: run with something that had no no basis whatsoever other

969
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 1: than the Israeli government, says x y Z.

970
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:01,880
Speaker 2: No, You're absolutely right. It doesn't fit that editorial standard

971
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 2: at all. And it just goes back to a question

972
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 2: about like just straight up belief and also why you know,

973
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:09,720
Speaker 2: you have to really you have to evaluate what people

974
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:11,959
Speaker 2: are saying and you have to see like you can't

975
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 2: just take their word for it just because you know,

976
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 2: you may be friends with them or in the Wall

977
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 2: Street Journals case, you may have once been a soldier

978
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 2: for them, but it's one Yeah, I mean some interesting

979
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 2: questions too about the people who are reporting this stuff

980
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 2: and about their own you know, some scrutiny in their

981
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 2: own background, which look, you know, if you want to

982
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 2: if you are from Israel or whatever, that's fine, but

983
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 2: it should probably be disclosed, no, like in the report,

984
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 2: if you're going to pass off something as exclusive and

985
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 2: then in terms of the evidence, not provide any within that,

986
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 2: especially when it has major humanitarian ramifications. And that's something

987
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 2: that we can put a put the fourth element please

988
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:49,919
Speaker 2: up on the screen. That was something that the head

989
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 2: of the World Food Program who by the way, Cindy McCain,

990
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 2: just to note in terms of her former like most

991
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:57,879
Speaker 2: pro Israel senator and human history.

992
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:00,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, I also want to know what her conversations with

993
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:00,840
Speaker 4: their daughter alike the.

994
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would be curious, she says, quote, no other

995
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 2: entity currently has the capacity to deliver the scale and

996
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 2: breadth of assistant the two point two million in Gaza

997
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:12,280
Speaker 2: urgently need. Withdrawing money from UNRA is perilous. We appeal

998
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:15,400
Speaker 2: for these decisions to be reconsidered. I found that interesting

999
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 2: just because she technically is part of the Biden administration,

1000
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 2: was appointed by the President to the World Food Program.

1001
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 3: So there does.

1002
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 2: Seem to be I mean, maybe at least consternation amongst

1003
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:27,360
Speaker 2: the people who actually work in the space, as opposed

1004
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 2: to people who are looking at this purely in political term.

1005
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:30,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh, that's probably what it is.

1006
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:33,360
Speaker 1: No doubt about it, No doubt about it. I just

1007
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 1: so you know, it's not just us saying that there's

1008
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 1: no evidence. Put this up on the screen from the

1009
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:40,239
Speaker 1: Financial Times. This is a quote from them. Israel had

1010
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:43,240
Speaker 1: not presented any evidence of its allegations to UNRA, adding

1011
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 1: the UN agency had been forced to respond to leaks

1012
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:48,239
Speaker 1: in the media of an Israeli intelligence assessment that at

1013
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 1: least twelve of its Palaestiny employees had taken part in.

1014
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 4: The Hamas rate.

1015
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 1: These included one accused of kidnapping a woman and another

1016
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 1: said to have seized the body of a slain soldier.

1017
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 1: The intelligence assessment, which has been seen by the FPT,

1018
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:02,480
Speaker 1: provides no evidence for the claims, which it says are

1019
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:05,880
Speaker 1: based on smartphone intercepts and captured identity cards, but the

1020
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 1: US has said it found them highly highly credible. And

1021
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 1: then we have one more element that we can put

1022
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 1: up here from Owen Jones.

1023
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 4: But breaking down a sky News.

1024
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:20,240
Speaker 1: Report, we were told originally there were twelve UNRA employees

1025
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 1: on a thirty thousand involved in October seven.

1026
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 4: Now it's down to six.

1027
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 1: And sky News reports that Israeli intelligence documents make several

1028
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:29,760
Speaker 1: claims without proof, and many claims do not directly implicate UNRA.

1029
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 4: Anyway, I can read a little bit of this sky

1030
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 4: News report.

1031
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 1: They say that many of the claims have no evidence,

1032
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:41,320
Speaker 1: has not seen proof of and many of the claims,

1033
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 1: even if true, do not directly implicate UNRA. The agency

1034
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:48,919
Speaker 1: also never received any concerns about their staff members and

1035
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:52,759
Speaker 1: they are required. UNRA is to share a list of

1036
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 1: their staff with Israel every single year, and Israel never

1037
00:49:56,840 --> 00:50:01,280
Speaker 1: raised any concerns about any of these staff members. In addition,

1038
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 1: it's worth noting UNRA, as they write in Sky News,

1039
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:06,319
Speaker 1: has paid a heavy price during the war. One hundred

1040
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 1: and fifty two of their staff have been killed in

1041
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 1: Gaza and one hundred and forty five of their facilities

1042
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:14,799
Speaker 1: have been damaged. It's important to keep in mind as

1043
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:18,879
Speaker 1: we go through these claims against UNRA that Netanyahu and

1044
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 1: the right, but many other sectors of Israeli society have

1045
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:26,239
Speaker 1: long had their sights set on the destruction of UNRA

1046
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:31,359
Speaker 1: because they believe since UNRA their mission is to you know,

1047
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:34,360
Speaker 1: serve they do schools and you know, aid and humanitarian

1048
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:38,239
Speaker 1: assistance to Palestine refugees wherever they are, that they basically

1049
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 1: like keep the Palestinians from giving up on their claims

1050
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 1: to any of the land. And so they've long wanted

1051
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:48,359
Speaker 1: to destroy UNRA because they just disagree centrally with that

1052
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 1: mission and they think they sort of like keep the

1053
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 1: problem alive and keep Palestinians from ultimately giving up. So

1054
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:55,879
Speaker 1: that's also the context for these claims that are being made.

1055
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 2: The context is important because NRA's largely I mean, in general,

1056
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 2: you know, the Israel. What is smart is that you

1057
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:05,240
Speaker 2: want to attack anybody who is counter narrative and showing

1058
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:06,799
Speaker 2: people what you're doing, so that you don't have a

1059
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 2: complete monopoly on information from the situation, and you don't

1060
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:12,319
Speaker 2: have a monopoly on media coverage, et cetera. So you

1061
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 2: attack the people and the credibility of those who are

1062
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 2: against you. RA has been a major person, a major party,

1063
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 2: which has been very counter to many of these really

1064
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:22,919
Speaker 2: claims about civilian casualties, et cetera.

1065
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 3: So what do you do? You go after them.

1066
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:27,279
Speaker 2: But overall, what I would really say is that this

1067
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:29,839
Speaker 2: is the bigger media story to me, because the US

1068
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:32,279
Speaker 2: government clearly did not do any due diligence that was

1069
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:35,359
Speaker 2: based on this. They provided no evidence, and it's up

1070
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 2: to the media, well, Street journal and others. I already

1071
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 2: see a Ben Shapiro out there being like it is

1072
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:42,400
Speaker 2: full of terrorists and also the things, as you said,

1073
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 2: you know, we're not going to sit here and be

1074
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 2: like it's not possible.

1075
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 3: It's certainly possible. You just need evidence.

1076
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:49,359
Speaker 2: Whenever you're going to support a claim which also has

1077
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:53,759
Speaker 2: a secondary organization with an aim that is overall humanitarian

1078
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 2: and clearly is undermining a strategic level the Israeli government.

1079
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 3: So we should just treat that with skeptic.

1080
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 2: To me, this is a massive media story that the

1081
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 2: fact that the US press and you know why is

1082
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 2: the Look, it's not like the British aren't pro Israel.

1083
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:09,440
Speaker 3: Why is their press.

1084
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:13,919
Speaker 2: Just willing to employ basic journalistic standards? The ft great

1085
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 2: paper is just like, yeah, I don't see it. Channel four,

1086
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 2: same thing.

1087
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 3: Listen.

1088
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:20,319
Speaker 2: They're not liberal by any means. They're just like, I

1089
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:22,920
Speaker 2: don't see the evidence here. This is the dossier. It

1090
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 2: wasn't that hard, Crystal, like you said, for us to

1091
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 2: get our hands on it and just look at it

1092
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 2: and be.

1093
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:29,880
Speaker 4: Like literally paid long. There's nothing provided with if it.

1094
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:32,799
Speaker 2: Look, when I was a political White House journalist, I

1095
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 2: was provided with these fake dossiers all the time. I

1096
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Speaker 2: never printed them once, you know ever, because I was like,

1097
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Speaker 2: this is just propaganda and you have to check it.

1098
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Speaker 2: You just have to be like, okay said this. So

1099
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:45,279
Speaker 2: you call the guy and you're like, hey, is this

1100
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Speaker 2: what actually happened?

1101
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Speaker 3: And nine out of ten times.

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Speaker 2: We're like no, that's a total misrepresentation about what is happening.

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Speaker 1: Well, and it's not like UNRA, I mean, really kind

1104
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 1: of unfairly given that no evidence was provided, but they

1105
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:58,839
Speaker 1: just immediately fired these people because of the gravity. Maybe

1106
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:01,279
Speaker 1: it was right even the alligations. So it's also like,

1107
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Speaker 1: what do you even want them to do? And the

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Speaker 1: Israeli government also, they said, hasn't shared with them any

1109
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Speaker 1: of the purported evidence, so they've already fought fired the people.

1110
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Speaker 1: The un has undertaken an investigation to see if there's

1111
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 1: any there there, they've already said if there's grounds for prosecution,

1112
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Speaker 1: they will be prosecuted.

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Speaker 4: So it's also like what else do you want them

1114
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Speaker 4: to do?

1115
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 1: And why does it make sense to collectively punish not

1116
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 1: just this entire organization, but the entirety of the Palestinian

1117
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 1: people on the alleged actions evidence free allegations, but alleged

1118
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:40,799
Speaker 1: actions of six UNRUH employees or a dozen unru employees

1119
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Speaker 1: or whatever it's.

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Speaker 4: It really is outrageous.

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Speaker 1: And the last thing I'll say about the time, because

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00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:47,520
Speaker 1: the timing is so critical here that it came on

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Speaker 1: the same day as the ICJ ruling applausible genocide. It's

1124
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Speaker 1: also punishment for the fact that unrun analysts and employees

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Speaker 1: and staff members were quoted and were used in order

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Speaker 1: to achieve that plausible genocide ruling. So there's also a

1127
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 1: you know, a direct line between the fact that they

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Speaker 1: were quoted in the report in the ruling and that

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00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 1: they were attacked on that very day. Like, I don't

1130
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Speaker 1: think that those two things are a coincidence. I think

1131
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Speaker 1: it's direct retaliation for the fact that they were cited

1132
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Speaker 1: at all in the judges ruling there at the I CJ.

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Speaker 2: You're very likely correct. All right, guys, we had a

1134
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Speaker 2: great show today. Thank you so much for supporting us.

1135
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Speaker 2: We had that rfkjun your focus group. As we mentioned,

1136
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Speaker 2: we'll have a great counterpoint show for everyone tomorrow, hopefully

1137
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Speaker 2: Crystallized throats say a little.

1138
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Speaker 5: They're rough here.

1139
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie, I need needed need a break here.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna let Emily speak.

1141
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Speaker 4: Thanks. Yeah, thanks for bearing with us, guys. We're trying.

1142
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Speaker 3: As you can see, we do work through sickness.

1143
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Speaker 2: So as you can see here over breaking points and

1144
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Speaker 2: we'll have a great show for everybody on Thursday.