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Speaker 1: here in my hand, a book by the renowned Dylan Howard.

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Speaker 1: You may know him from the National Inquirer. And if

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Speaker 1: author Epstein his name will now live in infamy. Jeffrey

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Speaker 1: Epstein crime stories with Nancy Grace and kind of worked

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Speaker 1: like a pyramid scheme. Gelen brought me in, I brought

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Speaker 1: no matter what, Jeffrey constantly had that open revolving door

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Speaker 1: Her words, not mine. Dylan Howard, Chief Content Officer and

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Speaker 1: Dylan Howard, you have explosive claims in your new book,

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Speaker 1: Dead Men Tell No Tales. That's a heck of a title.

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Speaker 1: But I just had to kick the whole thing off

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Speaker 1: have a problem with it, Dylan. They didn't. And what

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Speaker 1: far more disturbing is we have already established that Jeffrey

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Speaker 1: this network of child Wait a minute, Dylan, Dylan, hold on,

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Speaker 1: just a moment, coming from the mouth of the VP

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Speaker 1: the villains you've covered, that's saying something, Dylan Hartward, I mean,

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Speaker 1: And he said, I keep it. I keep everything in

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Speaker 1: out all of my direct and cross examination questions so

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't miss anything, and at the end of every

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Speaker 1: sure I hadn't left anything out Melissa Cronin. That leads

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Speaker 1: me to where is Maxwell, female pimp, his glamour pimp.

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Speaker 1: Where is she? So I've spoken to a source close

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Speaker 1: Prince Andrew. Now, there was a report several weeks ago

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Speaker 1: There were rumors that she might have been staying on

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Speaker 1: is that that is a classic misdirection technique, one that

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Speaker 1: is often actually used by the massade. So all indications

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Speaker 1: but that she is just in hiding, being protected by

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Speaker 1: the very people who don't want her secrets to come up.

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Speaker 1: You know, Dylan Howard, as brilliant as Melissa Cronin and

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Speaker 1: James Robertson, are I gotta go to you on this

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Speaker 1: one because you know you're the king of this topic,

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Speaker 1: Dylan Howard, How can someone with so much money, so

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Speaker 1: much power, so much privilege just screw the whole screw

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Speaker 1: the pooch, screw the whole thing up with, for instance,

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Speaker 1: You see it every day in your business, Dylan, Like,

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Speaker 1: you know what, Dylan, I know, I've got it good.

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Speaker 1: I've got twins, I've got an awesome husband. I'm so blessed.

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to do anything to screw it up.

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Speaker 1: God help me. Why what is it with people with

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Speaker 1: power and privilege that just defy their blessings? Well, there

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Speaker 1: are two tiers of justice. We talked about it all

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Speaker 1: the time. There's justice for you and I, and there's

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Speaker 1: justice for the rich and powerful. And Jeffrey Epstein used

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Speaker 1: his power to exploit the vulnerable and underage. There is

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Speaker 1: absolutely unequivocal proof of that, all while covering his tracks

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Speaker 1: He thought he was invincible, He thought he could get

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Speaker 1: away with it, and in many ways he did get

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Speaker 1: away with it until his untimely death as prisoner seven

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Speaker 1: six three one eight zero five four at the Manhattan

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Speaker 1: Correctional Facility Center. One thing I want to pick up

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Speaker 1: on we talked about those tapes, those black page Nancy,

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Speaker 1: you and I covered Kasey Anthony. Part of the compelling

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Speaker 1: reason of that pace was that every single piece of

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Speaker 1: evidence under Ferri Felidian law was released publicly. Under what's

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Speaker 1: called the Sunshine State Law, all evidence is released. His

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Speaker 1: Palm Beached home was rated by the FBI and rated

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Speaker 1: by local law enforcement. That there is no evidence of

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Speaker 1: these DVDs in the hands of US law enforcement, and

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Speaker 1: that smacks of the cover up. The book is dead men,

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Speaker 1: tell no tales. Join us tomorrow for more of our

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Speaker 1: conversation with authors Dylan Howard, Melissa Cronin, and James Robertson

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Speaker 1: on their new book Epstein Dead Men, Tell No Tales

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Speaker 1: Tomorrow Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Nancy Grace Crime Story

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Speaker 1: signing off Goodbye Friend,