1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:07,280 Speaker 1: All right, this is the Doug gottl Show. Heres in 2 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 1: the Bonus with Doug Gottle What. 3 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:17,240 Speaker 2: Up, Doug Gottlieb Show, Fucks Butts Radio, I Heart Radio app. 4 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:22,959 Speaker 2: Welcome in. I want to start this podcast in a 5 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 2: weird place. It's called college football and I didn't know it. 6 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 2: I didn't know it until I was looking at an 7 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 2: app that gives me all my scores and I saw 8 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 2: that New Mexico State played Liberty last night, Arkansas State 9 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:47,919 Speaker 2: played South Alabama last night. Florida International played Western Kentucky 10 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 2: last night, and I was just thinking, was last Nay Thursday? Like, no, 11 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 2: it's a Tuesday, It's a Tuesday. And I think this 12 00:00:59,880 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 2: is It's like a fascinating discussion. I get that TV 13 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 2: makes the world go round, right that so much of 14 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 2: our expenses, everything we do, we just think of, well, 15 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 2: TV will fix it because TV has TV money. But 16 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 2: I would love a cost benefit analysis on if it 17 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:21,479 Speaker 2: actually works for schools at that This is really at 18 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 2: my level in basketball and at that level in college 19 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:29,959 Speaker 2: football from this perspective, like at Western Kentucky they hosted 20 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 2: a home game against Florida ter National last night, Right, 21 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 2: So you mean to tell me that they're going to 22 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:40,039 Speaker 2: make more money when you combined whatever TV deal that 23 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:43,039 Speaker 2: they have that makes them play on a Sunday as 24 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 2: opposed to if they played on a Saturday with no 25 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 2: TV or limited TV. Again, it's a question, it's not 26 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 2: I don't have the answer to it. My answer is 27 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 2: always why they do it? Well, it must make it 28 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 2: more money. It must be about TV. But has that 29 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 2: moment switch? Has that moment changed, especially because now there's 30 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 2: more players into the college college football television game. 31 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 3: Right now there's. 32 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 2: You have Peacock, you have you know, Peacock and NBC, 33 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 2: which is essentially two different channels, and now they're going 34 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 2: to have NBC Sports as network is coming back. You 35 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 2: have CBS, CBS Sports Network, you have Fox, you have 36 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 2: Fox Sports one all right, you got ESPN, ESBN two, 37 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:34,960 Speaker 2: ESPNU I think still exists. You have all the ESPN 38 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 2: pluses as well. Then you have the possibility of all 39 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 2: the different streaming networks. ABC also has games on TNT 40 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 2: now has the Big Twelve. 41 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 3: So if you do. 42 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 2: The math right, and you have one hundred and thirty 43 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 2: some odd teams, and some teams are going to play 44 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 2: on Friday, and most teams will play on Saturday. You 45 00:02:57,280 --> 00:02:59,360 Speaker 2: mean to tell me that there's not a television home 46 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 2: for what you're doing. I find that hard to believe. 47 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 2: And like we're getting the Tuesday nights. That's not really 48 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 2: college football. It's just not that's like arena league football, 49 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:16,080 Speaker 2: that's just searching for likes and whatever. But I don't 50 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:20,639 Speaker 2: I don't understand it at all. I don't Tuesday night 51 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 2: is not a place to play college football. It's not 52 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 2: a place to play high high school games wouldn't be 53 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 2: playing on Tuesday night. Why are college games? And I 54 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 2: do think that at times, And I know this is 55 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 2: more conferences, but colleges can lose track of the fact 56 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 2: that the most money you're gonna. 57 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 3: Make is in your stadium, in your stadium. 58 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 2: And I'm sorry, but wester Kentucky, there's just no way 59 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 2: that you can put as many people in your stadium, 60 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 2: bring as many people to your town. It's not the 61 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 2: same experience. It's not really college footballhen it's on a 62 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 2: Tuesday night. I'm not taking shots at any of these schools. 63 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 2: I'm simply making a bigger point that in our search 64 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 2: for the almighty dollar and for relevance, this is the 65 00:03:58,160 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 2: route we. 66 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 1: Go be sure to catch live editions of The Doug 67 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 1: Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on 68 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio in the iHeartRadio app. 69 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 3: Let Let's get to the Fox says and. 70 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 1: Now what does the Fox say. 71 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 2: Every day at this time of The Doug Gottlieb Show. 72 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:18,600 Speaker 2: In the Bonus podcast who Played for You? A previous 73 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 2: portion of a Fox Sports Radio Fox Sports One show, 74 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:23,920 Speaker 2: here's Colin Coward talking about the report that Notre Dames 75 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 2: Marcus Freeman is going to be pursued by Penn State 76 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 2: to be the next head coach. 77 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:32,480 Speaker 4: I saw another story where Penn State is reportedly going 78 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 4: to pursue Notre Dames Marcus Freeman. Freeman's a great coach. 79 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 4: That's the smart move. Kurt Signetti. I don't know, Freeman, 80 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:42,160 Speaker 4: feels like you got twenty years. But here's what's funny 81 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:46,040 Speaker 4: about it. Notre Dame. Just spend the money double Marcus 82 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 4: Freeman's contract, because if I was Penn State, I would 83 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:52,040 Speaker 4: pay fifteen million dollars a year to get Marcus Freeman. 84 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 4: Penn State football last year made two hundred and forty million. 85 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:57,039 Speaker 4: Is the coach worth fifteen million dollars? 86 00:04:57,240 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 5: Yeah? 87 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:02,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, as Notre Dame step up and pay it. 88 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 4: I remember when the NIL a few years ago, Nil 89 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 4: Transfer Portal gonna ruin the sport, and I said, if 90 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 4: you want to compete, you'll have to spend money. All 91 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 4: you schools have money. Penn State right now is doing 92 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:20,600 Speaker 4: a seven hundred million dollar Beaver Stadium upgrade. They paid 93 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 4: forty five million dollars to get rid of James Franklin, 94 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:27,039 Speaker 4: and they would pay one hundred million dollars to get 95 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 4: Marcus Freeman. It's just like in life, folks, Wall Street, 96 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 4: Silicon Valley, and the oligarchs. They'll spend four trillion dollars 97 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:37,840 Speaker 4: on AI development over the next decade. 98 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 2: We talked about this on the radio show, but there's 99 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:46,280 Speaker 2: no reason we can't talk about it here as well. 100 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 2: That the I think the interesting part about Marcus Freeman, right, 101 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 2: who I think is pretty pretty awesome. Right, Marcus Freeman 102 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 2: and Notre Dame beat Penn State three points in the 103 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:06,479 Speaker 2: in the college football playoff semi final, right, see. 104 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 3: Your play you The idea would be your replace. 105 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 2: Marcus Freeman with a younger Marcus Freeman. I mean, if 106 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 2: you replaced James Franklin with a younger Marcus Freeman to 107 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 2: the tune of one hundred million dollars or whatever. I 108 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 2: don't think Marcus Freeman is I don't think will they 109 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:26,040 Speaker 2: pursue him, Like, yeah, you kick the tires. But Matt 110 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 2: Rule makes all the sense in the world's friends of 111 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:32,920 Speaker 2: the ad. He went there. Everybody thinks he's a good coach, 112 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:38,679 Speaker 2: a good builder. You know, I Marcus Rereeman's not leaving 113 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 2: Notre Dame for Penn State. That one feels like his 114 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 2: representatives made sure that everybody knows that they're going after 115 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 2: him so that he can get a hefty pay raise, 116 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 2: which you will what she will. Here's Brady Quinn talking 117 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:51,719 Speaker 2: about arch Manning. 118 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 6: You know what's tough about this is, you know, he 119 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:57,920 Speaker 6: kind of carries the flag for the for the a 120 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 6: lot of quarterbacks who are draft eligible and who are 121 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 6: talked about this, And I'll be honest, his throwing motion 122 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:08,280 Speaker 6: has not looked the same to me this year than 123 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 6: it did last year. So I don't know if mechanically 124 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 6: he's doing something different, or he did something different in 125 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 6: the offseason. I don't know if it's due to an 126 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 6: injuries playing through I'm not sure what it is, but 127 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 6: his arm slot is a lot lower than what it 128 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 6: was last year for the couple of starts he made 129 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 6: and during the times I saw him out there. 130 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 7: So I'm not sure what to make. 131 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 8: So is it just coincidental that all these quarterbacks who 132 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 8: were top prospects going into the season have struggled, or 133 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 8: is this maybe people have to reconsider not only preseason 134 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 8: rankings from a team to team standpoint, but where you 135 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 8: stack these players going into the year. 136 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 6: Dude, here's the thing. 137 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 7: It's tough in the media business because you got to 138 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 7: say like these outlandish things for things to go viral 139 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:01,239 Speaker 7: or for people to pay attention, and so there's people 140 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 7: who really want to go out there on a limb. 141 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 3: Yeah. Again, I don't know if it's a shoulder injury. 142 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 2: I don't know if it's a flaw in his delivery 143 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 2: that he's developed. But I do think that we can 144 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 2: all see that. Here's Kirk kurb Street talking to Dan 145 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 2: Patrick about why so many young quarterbacks have struggled in 146 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 2: the NFL. 147 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 9: I think what's happened in the last pray fifteen years 148 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 9: is quarterbacks are advancing at a record pace off away 149 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 9: from the lights and the cameras as far as training, 150 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 9: Like if you look at a tenth grade quarterback that's 151 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 9: at an elite level today and you go back to 152 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:39,080 Speaker 9: the nineties or the early two thousands, it's night and 153 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 9: day with the development of these middle school and high 154 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:45,319 Speaker 9: school quarterbacks, and then you eventually take them into college 155 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 9: and the NFL doing college for the last thirty years 156 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 9: and watching the changes just at that level, forget the NFL, 157 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 9: you know, we started to see if you go back 158 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 9: to like you're and I era, it was more eye 159 00:08:57,040 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 9: formation and more tradition what you would think of football. 160 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 9: And then Joe Tiller came around, and Rich Rodriguez came around, 161 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 9: and Chip Kelly came around, and all of a sudden, 162 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 9: we started to see teams go really fast, and we're like, 163 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 9: what's going on with all this speed? And you see 164 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:18,680 Speaker 9: signs on the sideline just Daffy Duck or Dan Patrick 165 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 9: or whatever it might be, whatever the play might be, 166 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:25,680 Speaker 9: no one's huddling. So you just keep going down that path. 167 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 9: That becomes instead of outliers like Chip and Rich Rodriguez, 168 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:32,320 Speaker 9: it becomes the norm. So what's the downside to that? 169 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 9: The downside to that is you don't have quarterbacks anymore 170 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 9: that are learning how to run an offense, getting down 171 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 9: on a knee and looking up to ten guys in 172 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:44,080 Speaker 9: their face and calling a play and getting ready to 173 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 9: read structures of defenses. 174 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:50,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think all of that. We're not 175 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 2: not only a we're not preparing quarterbacks for the NFL. 176 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:55,560 Speaker 2: We don't have the time to. And you don't have 177 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 2: guys that stay three or four years in a system, 178 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:00,240 Speaker 2: and those systems aren't designed for it as well. Are 179 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:04,079 Speaker 2: not pro style symptoms systems. I think those are super 180 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:08,200 Speaker 2: astute points by a good friend of mine, Kirk Kirk Street. 181 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:11,320 Speaker 3: That's what the buck said. 182 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:14,200 Speaker 1: Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb 183 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 1: Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox 184 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 1: Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app. 185 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 3: Let's find out who What's annoying? Jason Stewart. 186 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 1: And now it's your annoying, Hey, Doug. 187 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 5: I want to I just want to close the loop 188 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:40,439 Speaker 5: on something. Close the loop on my rant from yesterday 189 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 5: that included the TBS broadcast team of Brian Anderson, and 190 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 5: Ron Darling and Jeff Frankcoor and their team of misfits 191 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:56,840 Speaker 5: in the production truck. They didn't cover to Hernandez's role 192 00:10:57,080 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 5: in the wild double play. They didn't cover it during 193 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 5: the game, after the play, and the innings after the play, 194 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 5: and that drew the ire of my criticism, the point 195 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:12,720 Speaker 5: of my ire. So last night, of course, of course 196 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 5: the producers were like, we missed it, so we need 197 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 5: to overcover it. A day later they started to talk 198 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:23,840 Speaker 5: about how Teo screwed up, how Dave Roberts acknowledged that 199 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 5: Teo screwed up, and that Teo himself said I did 200 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:30,840 Speaker 5: it and I won't do it again. It would have 201 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 5: been really nice if, in the moment while your viewers 202 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 5: are confused about why we had the first eight six' 203 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:40,200 Speaker 5: to two force play in the history of, baseball it 204 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:42,679 Speaker 5: would have been nice to hear something other than, wow 205 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 5: that was. 206 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 3: Crazy, YEAH i don't. Know do you know who's producing 207 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 3: it the? 208 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:49,440 Speaker 5: GAME i have no. 209 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:53,559 Speaker 3: Idea, No, YEAH i MEAN i. WOULD i completely. 210 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:56,320 Speaker 2: Agree they're trying to make up for the fact that 211 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:59,720 Speaker 2: they didn't cover something in real, time and that's impossible to, 212 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 2: do and that is a that is definitely a production era. 213 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:06,440 Speaker 5: ERROR i would have like respected it If Brian ashten was, 214 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 5: like you know, what we apologize we didn't give this 215 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 5: enough attention last, night and here it. Is but, no 216 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 5: they just kind of covered it as. 217 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 2: If, YEAH i think, Again brian is, Super he's one 218 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:23,080 Speaker 2: of these. Guys he is super super team oriented and 219 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 2: doesn't want to throw anybody under the, bus doesn't want 220 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 2: the crew to get throw under the. Bus it doesn't 221 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:31,840 Speaker 2: make it, Right BUT i, AGAIN i JUST i think 222 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 2: that though you're, right it's an, easy it's a smart 223 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:37,200 Speaker 2: way to do, it it's not generally the way it's done in. 224 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:40,200 Speaker 2: Television nobody says anything bad, happened because then that brings 225 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:42,840 Speaker 2: attention to the fact that they didn't cover, it you, 226 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 2: know because you're making the assumption everybody saw the. 227 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 3: Play they. 228 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 2: Didn't here's a crazy, play and let's properly cover, it 229 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:49,679 Speaker 2: even though we didn't the night. 230 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 5: Before you're right and me and Maybe i'm being selfish because. 231 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 2: No and, LOOK i can tell You i've tried to 232 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 2: do WHAT i thought was the right thing and not 233 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 2: throw anybody in the, bus but, say, hey like we 234 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 2: all screwed. 235 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:00,960 Speaker 4: Up. 236 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 2: Whatever it just some people can take it the wrong, 237 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 2: way and it's just that how it's. DONE i DON'T 238 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 2: i don't know any other way to explain. It i'm 239 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 2: not saying it's. Right i'm just saying that sounds. 240 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 5: Done So Aaron glenn we spent the last couple of 241 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 5: days talking about kind of his missteps with The New york. 242 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 5: Media and Then Ben johnson is in market size number 243 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 5: three two Former lions assistant. COACHES i Think Ben johnson 244 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 5: has had two times this season when he has said 245 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:34,679 Speaker 5: something either in the heat of the game or right 246 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:38,440 Speaker 5: after the, game that he's taken. Back and then he 247 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:41,960 Speaker 5: was doing his radio hit yesterday morning and he was 248 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 5: asked About Troy, aikman who was covering the game On monday, 249 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:49,840 Speaker 5: night implying or just saying that The bears kind of 250 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:52,440 Speaker 5: got lucky with this, one because if you, remember The 251 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 5: commanders had a very a late fumble that Gave Caleb 252 00:13:57,280 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 5: williams and the team a chance to. Win so. Benj 253 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 5: jhnson was asked About Troy aikman's characterization that there was 254 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 5: luck involved in a. 255 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 10: Win it sounded like from that game the other, night 256 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:10,719 Speaker 10: a few people weren't partickularly pleased with how we're winning right. 257 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:14,080 Speaker 10: Now so that's THE i woke up this morning and you, 258 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:16,320 Speaker 10: know my kids were watching the second half before, school 259 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 10: and SO i heard some of the. Commentary but, listen 260 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 10: in this, league anyway you can find a way to. 261 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 5: WIN i would JUST i. Would this is WHAT i 262 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 5: would say to. Him this is WHAT i would. Say 263 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 5: you know, what there is luck. Involved we got a 264 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 5: lot to clean up, still and we do feel fortunate 265 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 5: with that we. Won BUT i think we're on on 266 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 5: a you, know we're on good track right now and 267 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 5: we'll be okay as opposed to some people had an 268 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 5: issue with the way we're. Winning this Is Troy. Yekman 269 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 5: he's A hall Of. Famer he's probably the best lead 270 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 5: analyst in the. GAME i just think you could be 271 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 5: a little bit more respectful with that. 272 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 3: Answer, yeah it's it's a weird. 273 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 2: THING i it feels like one of those answers that 274 00:14:56,880 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 2: you get a bunch of atta boys In chicago and 275 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 2: from your front off and whenever you, know somebody heard 276 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 2: it that You're people make the assumption that lucky means 277 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 2: you're not, good and like those two things are not 278 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 2: separate and distinct from each. Other you can create your own. 279 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 3: Luck you. 280 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 2: Can good teams have a tendency to be more lucky 281 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 2: than bad, teams AND i don't think you have to 282 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 2: shy away from. It i've never understood shying away from 283 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 2: luck before the. Game when you shake hands with, somebody 284 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 2: what do you always, say, well good? Luck, Okay but 285 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:30,960 Speaker 2: then they have good, Luck you're, like, yeah that wasn't 286 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 2: a part of. It doesn't take away from what you're 287 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 2: doing as a, coach what players are doing to say 288 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 2: they were a little. Lucky you AND i, Agree and 289 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 2: it is annoying that that that the false bravado is 290 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 2: seen as a cool. 291 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:47,200 Speaker 5: THING i saw. THIS i saw this on AND i 292 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 5: want to bring it up on it BECAUSE i want 293 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 5: to be consistent in this podcast with with my. Criticism 294 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:57,480 Speaker 5: The jaguars are saying that they Want Travis hunter to 295 00:15:57,520 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 5: be more involved in the. Offense scheming in open is 296 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 5: part of. It number. One our job as an offensive 297 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 5: staff is to make sure we're putting him in the 298 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 5: progression and putting him in the position to be number 299 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 5: one a little bit more often in some. Ways and 300 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 5: AGAIN i think we're doing kind of mental gymnastics. HERE 301 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 5: i think the marketing side of The jaguars is, like 302 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 5: we trade it up to take this super talent both, 303 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 5: ways super Talent why isn't he being Super he's being 304 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 5: pretty pedestrian And Liam cohen is forced to ask answer 305 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 5: questions like. THIS i just want to be consistent in. 306 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 5: THIS i don't think he's going to be successful at. 307 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 5: BOTH i think he's going to be average at, both 308 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 5: and that's not good. Enough just choose one and be 309 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 5: really good at, It that's ALL i want to. 310 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 2: Say, YEAH i hear, you and there's part of me 311 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 2: that agrees with, you and the part of me that. 312 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 2: Disagrees you CAN i let me pitch you on a disagreement, 313 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 2: here taste. Two what if his superpower is that he's 314 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 2: just really good at, Both he's not created. Either what 315 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 2: if that's actually and that though you think of a 316 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 2: number one pick as being a potential, superstar what if 317 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 2: a number one pick was just a, good, solid high quality, 318 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:15,720 Speaker 2: receiver a, good, solid high quality defensive back at the 319 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 2: end of the. 320 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:19,200 Speaker 5: Day, yeah if he, could if he could reach both 321 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 5: of those, levels, yes But i'm questioning the validity of, That, 322 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:26,119 Speaker 5: LIKE i think he's going to be average or below 323 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 5: that at. Both if he keeps doing. 324 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:29,920 Speaker 2: Both, well then He if he, does then he will 325 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:32,639 Speaker 2: Be if he's still, average then he'll be a. Bust 326 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:35,400 Speaker 2: BUT i do think there's something to be said when 327 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 2: there's no absolute number one overall pick that that you 328 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 2: need or, whatever you, know whatever draft pick he, would 329 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:46,639 Speaker 2: he can go number one. Overall Cam wore, did but 330 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 2: that if you have the choice between somebody who maybe 331 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:52,439 Speaker 2: could be a star and somebody who could be maybe a, 332 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 2: star maybe really good at two offense and, defense you 333 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:58,919 Speaker 2: probably take. That AND i actually think that's what he. 334 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 2: IS i don't think he's a. SUPERSTAR i think he's 335 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 2: got a chance to be a really good boardline star 336 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:08,399 Speaker 2: on defense and a good solid player on. 337 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 5: Offense so the choices today are THE tbs broadcast, Crew Ben, 338 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:16,680 Speaker 5: johnson and the facade that they're going to have a 339 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:18,200 Speaker 5: great two way player In Travis. 340 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:20,919 Speaker 2: Hummer, Oh i'm gonna Go Ben. JOHNSON i just that 341 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 2: false bravado as a coach and taking a, shot and 342 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:26,639 Speaker 2: an analyst who says what we're all thinking and is 343 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 2: really giving a balanced, broadcast and And Troy. Aikman, yeah that's. 344 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 1: Why are we doing? This because we Can. 345 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:44,239 Speaker 5: DOUG nba preseason is in full. Swing one of the 346 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:47,720 Speaker 5: one of the best parts about THE nba being in 347 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:50,880 Speaker 5: season is that we get to Hear Pat beverly on this. 348 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 5: Program he is very interesting to listen, to and a 349 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:57,239 Speaker 5: lot of it has to do with the way he 350 00:18:57,320 --> 00:19:00,159 Speaker 5: words things and the way he says. Things he's very 351 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:03,439 Speaker 5: interesting and for the sake of our, podcast he dropped 352 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 5: a lot of f. Bombs he's talking About Russell westbrook. 353 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 5: Here now he recorded this on this podcast before it 354 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 5: was reported That westbrook has signed with The kings. Today 355 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:16,159 Speaker 5: so this Is Pat beverly talking About Russell. Westbrook it's 356 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 5: fucked that will happen To. 357 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:19,879 Speaker 11: Russ bro On, God it's fucked that will happen To 358 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:22,639 Speaker 11: russ And russ got a bad take because of That lakers. 359 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:25,160 Speaker 11: Team that's the, Truth, bro that's the. Truth you talked 360 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 11: to Telud tlude did an interview With. 361 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:27,600 Speaker 4: Motherfuckers. 362 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 8: MOTHERFUCKER i Love. 363 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:30,959 Speaker 11: Russ ever Since russ left The, Lakers, bro he's been 364 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:31,119 Speaker 11: on the. 365 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 5: Minimum. 366 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 11: Bro we've never seen this. Ever we've never seen a 367 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:39,680 Speaker 11: player who's been THE, mvp who's impacted the, game who 368 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:42,080 Speaker 11: they call them names and tell me he can't, shoot 369 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:44,160 Speaker 11: go to the playoff shoot forty percent with The clippers 370 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:46,919 Speaker 11: the very next, year, right take a less domeanion and 371 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 11: roll with The, lakers take a Less domanian and roll 372 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:52,160 Speaker 11: with The. Clippers he's been a sixth man ever since 373 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 11: he's left The. Lakers he's a starting point guard in THE. 374 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:58,879 Speaker 11: Nba he's arguably one of the top three point guards 375 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 11: to ever play the. Game can you tell me this 376 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 11: man can't get on the. Team all because he's because he's, 377 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 11: Passionate all because he he stretches with the team every 378 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:09,680 Speaker 11: single fucking, Practice all because if it's a team out 379 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:12,159 Speaker 11: and he's there all the. Time all, because if you 380 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 11: talk to anyone around the, League russ is the best 381 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:16,200 Speaker 11: team MAN i ever. HAD i talked To Paul, GEORGE 382 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 11: ip you A, pat you go Love, Russ Austin, Reees, Russell. 383 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 5: Rustbrooks one the. 384 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 11: Best of the, teammates but one of the best Teammates i've. 385 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:23,359 Speaker 5: Had what the fuck are we talking? 386 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:24,879 Speaker 11: About why isn't this man on the? 387 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:30,879 Speaker 3: TEAM i love the energy to. 388 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:34,119 Speaker 2: IT i agree with him that The lakers. THING i 389 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:36,679 Speaker 2: don't think The lakers thing was all. Him it was all. 390 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:39,720 Speaker 2: THEM i think a good portion was. Him as you guys, 391 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:41,960 Speaker 2: KNOW i have lots of friends in That lakers, organization 392 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:45,679 Speaker 2: and they genuinely thought he was a, turn and he 393 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 2: doesn't have. 394 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:47,679 Speaker 3: The greatest reputation everywhere he. 395 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 2: Goes and because he can't, shoot it's really. Hard and, 396 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:54,640 Speaker 2: yes he has improved his, shooting especially his quarter, three 397 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 2: which makes you have to guard. Him my guess would 398 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:02,680 Speaker 2: be that that if you look at all those, teams 399 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:06,640 Speaker 2: did they get better or worse When russ? Left are 400 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 2: they better or worse when he got? 401 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 3: There? 402 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 2: Better worse they? Left all you kind of got to? 403 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:14,640 Speaker 2: Know and what what is he holding out? 404 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 3: For? Financially what is he holding out? For role? 405 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 2: Wise Russell westbrook is in that weird spot That Allen 406 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:24,919 Speaker 2: iverson was, in where you've been AN, Mvp you've been 407 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:25,440 Speaker 2: a dominant. 408 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 3: Player you can still. 409 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:29,440 Speaker 2: Play, basketball but can you play basketball within the role 410 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:32,439 Speaker 2: that your age and style of play? Determines AND i 411 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:36,119 Speaker 2: don't know the answer to. THAT i Don't why couldn't 412 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 2: play it for? You because we. Can't that's it for 413 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:41,440 Speaker 2: the Ind Vernon bonus. Podcast check out the radio show 414 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 2: three to Five eastern every. Day you're On Fox Sports 415 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 2: trader on The iHeartRadio, App i'm Don gotlie