1 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:03,000 Speaker 1: Good morning. 2 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 2: I'm Richard Salama. 3 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:07,320 Speaker 3: And I'm Doug Prisner. Here are the stories we're following today. 4 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:12,400 Speaker 2: Let's get back to that inflation report here, because underlying 5 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:16,759 Speaker 2: CPI ran at a faster than expected monthly clip in August, 6 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:19,920 Speaker 2: and according to of course the US Bureau of Labor 7 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:22,919 Speaker 2: Statistics here and now, this does potentially leave the door 8 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 2: open for additional interest rate increases from the Federal Reserve. 9 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 2: This is what former Treasury sectorly Larry Summer's made of 10 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 2: it all. 11 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 1: My best guess is that inflation is going to be 12 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 1: a little strong, and that they're going to need to 13 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 1: move again sometime in this cycle. 14 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 4: I think it's conceivable. It's not what I predict, but 15 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 4: it's certainly possible that they'll have to move more than once. 16 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 4: And the market, I think is over discounting that possibility. 17 00:00:56,880 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 2: That is Larry Summers saying also that US stocks may 18 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:04,040 Speaker 2: be priced a bit for perfection. Someone is thinking that 19 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 2: the American economy has a very narrow window in which 20 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:08,040 Speaker 2: to achieve a soft landing. 21 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:11,679 Speaker 3: We are hearing the soft bank owned ARM Holdings is 22 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 3: going to price its initial public offering at the top 23 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:18,760 Speaker 3: end of its marketed range. ARM is selling American depositary shares. 24 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 3: They are priced at fifty one dollars each. The chip 25 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 3: designer had marketed about ninety five and a half million 26 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:28,559 Speaker 3: shares in a range of between forty seven to fifty 27 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:32,039 Speaker 3: one dollars. Now at the IPO price of fifty one, 28 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:37,319 Speaker 3: ARM now valued at fifty four point five billion dollars. 29 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 3: That's according to calculations from Bloomberg News. By the way, 30 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:43,399 Speaker 3: this is going to be the largest IPO of the year, 31 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:47,559 Speaker 3: and it's being led by Barclays along with Goldman Sachs, JPMorgan, Chase, 32 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 3: and Mizuhou Financial. Arm shares are set to begin trading 33 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 3: on Thursday. This would be on the Nasdaq market under 34 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 3: the ticker symbol a r M Rashad. 35 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 2: All right, we have a city group saying it's preparing 36 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 2: for a wave of job cuts. This comes as the 37 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 2: chief executive, Jane Fraser, restructure as the Wall Street Giant 38 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 2: in an effort to reverse a year's long slump in 39 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 2: stock prices. Fraser addressed investors at the Barclays Financial Services Conference. 40 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 5: Today's announcement is indeed about putting that next step, big 41 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:22,800 Speaker 5: next step in place and initiating it, which is to 42 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 5: not only put the organization model that best fits our 43 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:31,679 Speaker 5: strategy in place, it's also about running the bank differently 44 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 5: and about driving clearer accountability for doing so. 45 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 2: That is Jane Fraser. City Group says it'll operate five 46 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 2: main businesses in the bank, will eliminate the three regional 47 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 2: chiefs to oversee operations in around about one hundred and 48 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 2: sixty countries around the world. City does not have firm 49 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:50,359 Speaker 2: targets for how many employees will be affected. 50 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 3: Well more than twenty tech and civil society leaders appeared 51 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:57,519 Speaker 3: in a closed door Senate meeting today. The aim here 52 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 3: to shape how artificial intelligence is being regulated now. This 53 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 3: meeting was organized by Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer. It's 54 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 3: part of his broader effort to get the Senate up 55 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 3: to speed on this rapidly involving technology. On hand was 56 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 3: the CEO of Tesla, Elon Musk. He told reporters that 57 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 3: the US needs to be proactive when it comes to AI. 58 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 6: I think probably of there being some sort of AI 59 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 6: regulatory agency that sends on its own, similar to the 60 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:29,360 Speaker 6: FA or SEC is likely asport now. The reason that 61 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 6: I've been such a prettyle AI safety in advance of 62 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 6: sort of anything terrible happening is that I think the 63 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 6: consequences of AI going wrong are our sphere. 64 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 3: That is Elon Musk. He went on to say that 65 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 3: senators should focus their concerns on what Musk called deeper AI. 66 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 3: That's a type of artificial intelligence that essentially teaches computers 67 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 3: to process data in a way that imitates the human brain. 68 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 3: Now Ed, Baxter will have a little more on today's 69 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 3: Capitol Hill meeting throughout the program. 70 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 2: Rish but guide to China now, with Beijing concerns about 71 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 2: security problem with Apple's iPhone appearing to be causing a 72 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 2: confusion bloombergs yvon lann has. 73 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 7: One Beijing both pushed back on reports about iPhone restrictions, 74 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 7: but also raised concerns about security problems with the device. 75 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:20,720 Speaker 7: The remarks left US investors unsure about Apple's status in 76 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 7: China just as a new iPhone is launching. China is 77 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 7: both the company's production base and its biggest international market. 78 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:31,279 Speaker 7: We reported earlier that China had plans to expand a 79 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:33,920 Speaker 7: ban on the use of iPhones among some state back 80 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 7: agencies and companies. If Beijing goes ahead with an iPhone ban, 81 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:41,039 Speaker 7: it will be an unprecedented blockade on China's plans to 82 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:45,360 Speaker 7: limit foreign technology use in a sensitive environment in Hong Kong. 83 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 7: I'm von Man Bloomberg Radio. 84 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:49,480 Speaker 3: We go to Europe next to where the European Union 85 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 3: is launching an investigation into Chinese subsidies for electric vehicles. 86 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 3: European Commission President Ursula vonder Layan said global markets are 87 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 3: essentially flooded with cheap Chinese cars. 88 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:07,160 Speaker 8: And their price is kept artificially low by huge state subsidies. 89 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 8: This is distorting our market and as we do not 90 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 8: accept this distortion from the inside in our market, we 91 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:16,920 Speaker 8: do not accept this from the outside. 92 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 3: That is EC President Ursula vonder Layin. Now the EUS 93 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 3: probe is being opened despite concerns about retaliation from China, 94 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:27,840 Speaker 3: and it's a sign of growing alarm over the ability 95 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:33,360 Speaker 3: of European manufacturers to compete with China's auto industry. So 96 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 3: we have Google today reportedly laying off hundreds of its 97 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 3: global recruiting team. This according to The New York Times, 98 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:44,040 Speaker 3: which says that Google has sought to trim expenses as 99 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 3: a way of paying for investments in artificial intelligence. At 100 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 3: one point, Google's Reture area recruiting group had more than 101 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 3: three thousand employees. It's already been hit hard by layoffs 102 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 3: this year. Today, if you're wandering Class A shares in Alphabet, 103 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 3: the parent of Google up about one percent. Global News 104 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 3: is next. Therey is the potential of an auto industry 105 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 3: workers strike at midnight tomorrow. Let's get to head Baxter 106 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:12,119 Speaker 3: for Global News, Eddie. 107 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 9: Yeah, we're getting a mixed messages, Douglas, your right looks 108 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:18,159 Speaker 9: as if the strike may be targeted a small number 109 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 9: of factories. You a president Shan Fayn finishing a news 110 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:25,039 Speaker 9: conference saying that they're still seeking good sized payhikes. 111 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 10: We're making progress at each of the three negotiating tables. 112 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:33,159 Speaker 10: We're still very far apart on our key priorities, from 113 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:37,479 Speaker 10: job security to ending tiers, from cost of living allowance 114 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 10: to wage increases. We do not yet have offers on 115 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 10: the table that reflect a sacrifice and contributions our members 116 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 10: have made to these companies. 117 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 9: So Paine says new tactics. 118 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 10: To win, We're likely going to have to take action, 119 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 10: and just as we have approached our negotiations differently than 120 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:58,160 Speaker 10: we have in the past, we are preparing to strike 121 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:00,159 Speaker 10: these companies in a way they've never seen. 122 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:03,719 Speaker 9: Before Fain says the plans for strike will be publicly 123 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 9: announced tomorrow night. If an agreement is not made in 124 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 9: the Interim House, Speaker Kevin McCarthy says he will use 125 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 9: subpoena power granted by his actions of opening an impeachment 126 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 9: inquiry into President Joe Biden. 127 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 10: We don't have. 128 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 3: Any of the credit card statements from all the credit 129 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 3: cards from this shell companies. We don't have the president's 130 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 3: bank statements. 131 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 8: We don't have hundred Biden's bank statements. 132 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 11: Providing information like that would answer the question and asked 133 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 11: what we've learned in the last couple of weeks, wouldn't 134 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 11: you want to know the. 135 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 9: Answer to yeah, McCarthy says he will get them. As 136 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 9: North Korea leader Kim Jong unn meets with President and 137 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 9: President of Vladimir Putin regarding munition transfers, the US is 138 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 9: saying it is ready to slap more sanctions on both. 139 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 9: State Department spokesman Matthew Miller when. 140 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 12: You see what looks to be increased cooperation and probably 141 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 12: military transfers. As we've said for some time, we have 142 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 12: reason to believe they were going to discuss military transfers. 143 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 12: That is quite troubling and would potentially be in violation 144 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 12: of multiple UN Security Council resolutions. 145 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 9: Yeah, Miller says there already sanctions in place. These would 146 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 9: be additional and just following up on our coverage on 147 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 9: the AI in the summit today in DC, trying to 148 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 9: keep up with the AI revolution well. Senate meeting today 149 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 9: with tech leaders metas Mark Zuckerberg, exus Eland Musk, former 150 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 9: Microsoft CEO Bill Gates, open Aichat, GPT CEO Sam Altman, 151 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 9: among others. Democratic leader in Political Reaction Richard Blumenthal says 152 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 9: that there are actually some really good information coming out. 153 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 13: We are under the cusp of a new industrial revolution 154 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 13: with enormous promise but a panoply of perils. And what 155 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:42,320 Speaker 13: has impressed me most drammatically today is that there is 156 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 13: general acceptance of the need for some kind of regulation 157 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 13: to achieve the promise but avoid the risks and dangers. 158 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 9: Yeah, but not all the senators listening to the group 159 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 9: of tech CEOs regarding AI today are happy. Senator Elizabeth 160 00:08:57,440 --> 00:08:58,719 Speaker 9: Warren on Bloomberg. 161 00:08:58,960 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 6: They're sitting at. 162 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 12: A big table all by themselves. 163 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:04,960 Speaker 6: All of the senators are to sit there and ask 164 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:06,079 Speaker 6: no questions. 165 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:06,959 Speaker 10: That's the setup. 166 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 9: By the way, we're told at Musk and Zuckerberg sat 167 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:12,960 Speaker 9: at opposite ends of a long table. Yeah, there was 168 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 9: no cage there. 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She is 177 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 3: the chief Global market Strategist at Invesco, joining us here 178 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 3: in New York in the Bloomberg Interactive Broker Studio. Nice 179 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 3: of you to stop by. It's good seeing you, Thanks 180 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 3: so much. How did you kind of read what we 181 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 3: learned today with a CPI print. I'm looking at the 182 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 3: way in which the market responded. It really did little 183 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:02,200 Speaker 3: too kind of alter the expectation. It would seem that 184 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:04,079 Speaker 3: the Fed is going to remain on hold next week. 185 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 3: Would you agree with that? 186 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:08,080 Speaker 11: I definitely agree with that, but with one wrinkle. So 187 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:12,080 Speaker 11: I'll say the market was bracing itself for a higher 188 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 11: headline CPI print because of oil prices. But and so 189 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 11: I think it was rather comfortable. We had a core 190 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 11: a touch higher than anticipated, but certainly within a range 191 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:30,439 Speaker 11: of what I think is comfortable. And I've said that 192 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 11: this is very much a disinflationary narrative, but not every 193 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 11: data point is going to be perfect and fit in 194 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:40,560 Speaker 11: with that narrative perfectly. The one fly in the ointment 195 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 11: could be Michigan inflation expectations on Friday. Now, if we 196 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 11: go back to June of twenty twenty two, recall the 197 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 11: FED had been messaging in advance of its meeting that 198 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 11: it would hike rates fifty basis points, and then we 199 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 11: got a one to two punch, We got in an 200 00:10:55,720 --> 00:11:00,359 Speaker 11: inflation print, and we got Michigan inflation expectations that were 201 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 11: j Powell even pointed to those two data points as 202 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 11: the reason the FED aired on the side of actually 203 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 11: doing seventy five basis points at that meeting. And so 204 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:12,560 Speaker 11: I think that if we were to get some cost 205 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 11: for concern in Michigan inflation expectations, because we know that 206 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:20,560 Speaker 11: consumer inflation expectations are so important to a number of 207 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 11: central banks, including the FED, then that might tip the scales, 208 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:27,200 Speaker 11: but I think it's highly unlikely. My base case is 209 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 11: that the FED sits on its hands next week. 210 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 3: So the other thing that I have to ask about 211 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 3: in terms of FED policy the degree to which they 212 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 3: may be a little concerned about the dollar, not that 213 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:40,080 Speaker 3: it needs to weaken from here. If anything, I think 214 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:42,319 Speaker 3: that they would want to keep the dollar strong as 215 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:46,319 Speaker 3: a way of preventing the economy from importing inflation. When 216 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 3: you consider what oil prices have been doing lately. I mean, 217 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:52,079 Speaker 3: Brent now is just under ninety two. We've got WTI 218 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:54,560 Speaker 3: just under eighty nine dollars a barrel. And to the 219 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 3: point we were kind of alluding to a moment ago, 220 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 3: energy seems to be the greatest risk now and measuring 221 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 3: where inflation may end up. Do you think the FED is, 222 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 3: even though they may remain on hold, let's say, for 223 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 3: the foreseeable future, they've got a talk tough, largely to 224 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:11,200 Speaker 3: keep the dollar firm. 225 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:13,680 Speaker 11: I don't know if the FED is that concerned, just 226 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 11: because it takes so long for higher energy prices to 227 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:21,440 Speaker 11: make its way into core inflation, which is really what 228 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 11: the FED is laser focused on. So I'm not sure 229 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:27,320 Speaker 11: that the FED is too worried about the US dollar. 230 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 11: I think the FED is going to come to the 231 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:32,080 Speaker 11: end of its rate hike cycle when it feels comfortable 232 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:35,439 Speaker 11: with that. Until then, though, we're going to hear hawkish 233 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 11: FED speak. I think next week, if the FED chooses 234 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 11: to sit on its hands, it will still sound hawkish. 235 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:45,840 Speaker 11: It will reserve that right to hike rates in the future, 236 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 11: and that will really stop a lot of what could 237 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 11: be a weakening of the US dollar. So it'll take 238 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 11: time before we before that really starts. I think it 239 00:12:55,760 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 11: will take until markets are convinced definitively that the FED 240 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:02,440 Speaker 11: has ended its rate hike cycle. 241 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:06,079 Speaker 2: So Christina, you know we have, of course, this elevated 242 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 2: oil price. This takes time to actually feed into the 243 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:13,560 Speaker 2: inflation numbers, especially where they are now. But also let's 244 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 2: not forget that later on Thursday anyway, we've got another 245 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 2: deliage of data, retail sales PPI, initial jobless claims as well. 246 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 2: You know, the data is endless, and it all just 247 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 2: seems to just muddy the waters. 248 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 11: Well, it certainly muddies the waters, but we're seeing a 249 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 11: clear picture when we step back, which is that the 250 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 11: disinflationary trend is very much underway and the US economy 251 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 11: is cooling. And those really are the two key takeaways 252 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 11: for the FED. And that's why I think the FED 253 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 11: is going to sit on its hands in September and 254 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 11: why I think it's unlikely the FED hikes rates again 255 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 11: this cycle. 256 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:53,440 Speaker 3: So when you look at the treasury curve right now, yes, 257 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:57,079 Speaker 3: we are still inverted. Does that necessarily I mean, it's 258 00:13:57,120 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 3: been stubborn and it's kind of implication here that we're 259 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 3: looking at a recession. Is that your bet, now, let's 260 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 3: say mid next year, that we're definitely going to see 261 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 3: some contraction in a meaningful way. 262 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:09,559 Speaker 11: I don't think so. My view is that we're going 263 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:11,960 Speaker 11: to see a bumpy landing. And by that, I mean, 264 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:14,960 Speaker 11: let me take a step back and say, you know 265 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 11: that there's this school of thought beliefs that believes we're 266 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 11: going to get a soft landing. We're even hearing it 267 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 11: from giannet Yellen, and I understand the rationale behind it, 268 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 11: but I would say that a soft landing assumes there's 269 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 11: very little damage, and I think we will see some 270 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 11: significant damage before we see a recovery. We've seen a 271 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 11: you know, significant tightening and credit conditions. Things like that 272 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 11: don't happen without some kind of damage to the economy. 273 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 11: I think we'll avoid a recession, but will certainly feel 274 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 11: some pain, you. 275 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 2: Know, just thinking about that, and you know, when does 276 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 2: actually ultimately we see the whole bond market start to 277 00:14:56,600 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 2: price and perhaps beyond what we're looking at the moment 278 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 2: in terms of the longer end, and start to actually 279 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 2: properly rely I suppose uninverting as it were. 280 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 11: Well, I think that could start to happen soon. We've 281 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 11: seen a real stubborn pattern thus far, but that could 282 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 11: certainly start to happen soon. I think the real issue, though, 283 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 11: is that we do have a significantly long lag typically 284 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 11: between when monetary policy is enacted and when it shows 285 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 11: up in the economy. And so long as we have 286 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 11: you know, a fair level of policy uncertainty about when 287 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 11: the FED is going to high rates, we are unlikely 288 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 11: to see a lot of movement. I think as we 289 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 11: get closer to greater clarity, that's when we could see 290 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 11: an unwind begin. But I do believe both the bond 291 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 11: and the stock market will start to discount recovery. I 292 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 11: think that'll that will begin. The discounting process should happen soon. 293 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 11: I think we'll actually start to see a recovery in 294 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 11: the back half of twenty four. 295 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 3: Christine, I'd like to get your view on what's going 296 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 3: on in China right now in the degree to which 297 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 3: a weak economy there is really going to hold back 298 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 3: global growth in a significant way for the foreseeable future. 299 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 3: Is that a fair statement. 300 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 11: Well, I think you have to ask the question what's 301 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 11: come first, the chicken or the egg, because if we 302 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:25,000 Speaker 11: look at the Chinese economy, yes, certainly there are headwinds 303 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 11: because the economy didn't get the kind of fiscal stimulus 304 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 11: we saw given out in Western developed countries during the pandemic. 305 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 11: So that has certainly held back the Chinese economy from 306 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 11: a robust reopening. But if we look at the data, 307 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 11: services is still fairly good. Where we've seen really the 308 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 11: pain is manufacturing, and that really reflects the global slowdown 309 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 11: that was caused by Western developed central banks. So the 310 00:16:56,240 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 11: Chinese economy in at least some respects reflecting that global 311 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 11: slowdown as opposed to contributing to it. Now we could 312 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:09,359 Speaker 11: see going forward if we don't get the If China 313 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:14,119 Speaker 11: doesn't get the adequate policy stimulus, it needs the targeted stimulus, 314 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 11: then that could be problematic. Thus far, though, I've liked 315 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 11: this slow drip and I think it could continue. 316 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:22,880 Speaker 3: Oh, we'll see about that. It's a fresh perspective. I've 317 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 3: not heard that from anyone that do you like this 318 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:27,119 Speaker 3: kind of slow rollout of stimulus. 319 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:28,440 Speaker 11: I'll take what I can get. 320 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:30,680 Speaker 3: All right, Christina, Always a pleasure. Thank you so much, 321 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:33,879 Speaker 3: Christina Hooper there. She is the chief Global market strategist. 322 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:37,919 Speaker 3: Add invescode. This is Bloomberg day Break Asia. 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