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Speaker 5: Well, just a couple hours ago, Vice President jad Van,
Speaker 5: Special ENVOYE d Witcop and Jared Kushner met with Pakistan's
Speaker 5: Prime minister ahead of these highly anticipated peace talks between
Speaker 5: the US and iron We're going to go live to
Speaker 5: Pakistan in a moment, but joining us now Bloomberg's Israel
Speaker 5: Bureau chief Evan Brauner and White House correspondent Katherine Lucy Ethan.
Speaker 5: I want to start with you because in Pakistan we
Speaker 5: have representatives from Iran and representaters from the United States,
Speaker 5: but not there and not represented is anyone from Israel.
Speaker 5: Is it possible for this war to end without Israel's
Speaker 5: participation in peace talks.
Speaker 6: Uh, sure, I mean I think that you know, Israel
Speaker 6: is being informed by the United States on a sort
Speaker 6: of a side channel. So I don't think that's a problem.
Speaker 6: It would have been surprising if Israel would have shown
Speaker 6: up in Pakistan. There are no diplomatic relations in Pakistan,
Speaker 6: and Israel would have been complicated. And this is you know,
Speaker 6: negotiation with the United States and Iran. So I don't
Speaker 6: think that is the biggest problem.
Speaker 7: No, So what is the biggest problem? I mean, there
Speaker 7: are quite a.
Speaker 6: Few, but well, there are many many problems. Yeah, I
Speaker 6: mean Israel's presence at the table. I guess it's just
Speaker 6: not a very high one on the list.
Speaker 8: I mean.
Speaker 6: The biggest problem, of course, is that the United States
Speaker 6: and Israel launched this war six weeks ago and thought
Speaker 6: they could effectively take a heart that regime and force change,
Speaker 6: and found that the regime was far more resistant than
Speaker 6: they expected. And the regime's survival and even Friday on
Speaker 6: some level in Iran, has allowed it to take control
Speaker 6: of the Strait of Weremus to sort of have a
Speaker 6: stranglehold over a large part of the world economy through that,
Speaker 6: and has you know, caused enormous political problems for President Trump,
Speaker 6: so he would like to find a way to wrap
Speaker 6: this up, you know, assuming you take seriously the goals
Speaker 6: he set for this war along with Israel, those.
Speaker 8: Have not been met.
Speaker 6: So to end it and not reach those goals, what
Speaker 6: does that mean for the security issues that he raised?
Speaker 6: On the other hand, to not end this war and
Speaker 6: allow oil and fertilizer and all the other issues that
Speaker 6: we're facing to go forward when most people did not
Speaker 6: consider this a necessary war also seems unlikely. I would
Speaker 6: say it's very gloomy picture. Frankly from the points of
Speaker 6: view of the United States.
Speaker 2: Katherine, I want to go to you because I think
Speaker 2: I know the answer to this, but I'm going to
Speaker 2: ask it anyway. Do we have any more information from
Speaker 2: the White House about when these talks are going to start,
Speaker 2: because it's already getting quite late in the afternoon in Pakistan,
Speaker 2: what the format of them is going to be, and
Speaker 2: how long they're willing to stay there. Are we still
Speaker 2: planning on only one day of talks regardless of the outcome?
Speaker 9: Yeah, thanks so much. I mean, you know, we don't
Speaker 9: have a lot of information about how this is going
Speaker 9: to unfold. Obviously, we know that Vice President Vance is
Speaker 9: over there to lead this, you know, it's Jerry Kushner
Speaker 9: and Witkoff. They are they have already had this initial
Speaker 9: meeting with Pakistan, but we're still waiting, honestly for more
Speaker 9: information about how this is going to unfold, how this
Speaker 9: is going to proceed. And this is a very high
Speaker 9: stakes moment for the Vice president. You know, we've never
Speaker 9: really seen him play this kind of role on the
Speaker 9: world stage before. It's kind of a classic vice president
Speaker 9: assignment which is high risk but potentially some reward. You know,
Speaker 9: it would help him obviously if he can help broker
Speaker 9: some kind of deal here as he looks ahead potentially
Speaker 9: to twenty twenty eight, but he could get saddled with
Speaker 9: a lot of blame if these there is there are
Speaker 9: no wins out of these talks today.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, Catherine, I want to talk a little bit
Speaker 5: more about that and Jady Vance's role here. There was
Speaker 5: that reporting earlier this week from The New York Times
Speaker 5: Maggie Harman and Jonathan Swan about what actually happened in
Speaker 5: the situation room and who felt what about this war
Speaker 5: and Jady Vance was sort of alone in his opposition
Speaker 5: to this, and he served in the military. He's against
Speaker 5: these forever wars. He is opposed and has been opposed
Speaker 5: to different conflicts. I'm just curious what that means to
Speaker 5: send him as the lead negotiator somebody who, you know,
Speaker 5: based on reporting and what we've read, really didn't want
Speaker 5: to be attacking Iran in the first place.
Speaker 9: Well, certainly we know that, you know, in those a
Speaker 9: conversation to events, was you know, among the more skeptical
Speaker 9: or certainly someone who wanted to you know, sort of
Speaker 9: have a more robust debate, bring more information to the president.
Speaker 9: And yes, he has a history of raising concerns and
Speaker 9: expressing anxiety about forever wars. So that is that is
Speaker 9: a key dynamic going into this. And the President was
Speaker 9: influenced by a lot of folks from outside of the
Speaker 9: White House as he made the decision to do this.
Speaker 9: Also important to note that Jadvance has been very ear
Speaker 9: publicly the once the President made the decision, he was
Speaker 9: with him. He has he has defended it, he has
Speaker 9: he has been vocal about that and that he is,
Speaker 9: you know, part of his team. I mean, the thing
Speaker 9: is that sending him over there really, you know, sort
Speaker 9: of saddles him with it, right, It puts it around
Speaker 9: his neck as well, and there's no way for him
Speaker 9: to distance himself from this war now, given that he
Speaker 9: is now really sort of taking a leading role in
Speaker 9: in the diplomacy here.
Speaker 2: Yeathan, I want to ask you about the role of nationalism,
Speaker 2: because this is something we've seen time and time again,
Speaker 2: and where countries who may not like their leader go
Speaker 2: into a conflict, go into war and kind of close
Speaker 2: ranks behind them. And what I'm hearing from Iranian friends
Speaker 2: and people I know who have family there is that
Speaker 2: they hated this regime. Many of the ones I've spoken
Speaker 2: to are not friends of the Ayatola, of the clerics.
Speaker 7: They are happy to see them go.
Speaker 2: But the way the US has gone about this conflict
Speaker 2: is not making friends and winning over hearts and minds,
Speaker 2: and Iranians are almost starting to close rank.
Speaker 7: Do you think the.
Speaker 2: Scorched earth tactics we've seen in some places from the
Speaker 2: US have made it harder for a moderate regime to
Speaker 2: come in and take hold into ihran.
Speaker 6: I do I think the things you said are very
Speaker 6: likely to be true. I mean this has been this
Speaker 6: was even a year and plus ago in the twelve
Speaker 6: Day War in June of twenty five. The question is,
Speaker 6: you know, raised both here and in the United States
Speaker 6: and generally that this is a very unpopular regime. They
Speaker 6: were barely able to keep the lights on in Iran,
Speaker 6: there were droughts. This is a country that's oil rich
Speaker 6: and spending vast sums of money on his belah and
Speaker 6: the hutis and hamas instead of on its own people.
Speaker 6: And obviously the idea was that people are unhappy and
Speaker 6: want to get rid of it. But if an outside
Speaker 6: force comes and starts to bomb the place, and the
Speaker 6: natural reaction is to gather around those, you know, your
Speaker 6: own people, And it looks like that's kind of what's happened.
Speaker 6: I mean, you know, it's also true that this government
Speaker 6: in Iran is I think, was far more skill at
Speaker 6: decentralizing its command structure and so on. Vast country almost
Speaker 6: the size of Western Europe, ninety plus million people.
Speaker 8: You know, this was not a.
Speaker 6: Venezuela Mark II situation. And the Israelies and the Americans,
Speaker 6: at least the Americans led by President Trump, seemed to
Speaker 6: hope and believe that it might be. And I think
Speaker 6: that you're right. It's all kinds of things have happened
Speaker 6: that not what they expected, including a sense among a
Speaker 6: bunch of Iranians. And we don't have any polls, just
Speaker 6: the impressions that you've laid out that they're angrier at
Speaker 6: the outsiders than they are at their own government.
Speaker 5: Hey, Ethan, we've spoken to you quite a bit over
Speaker 5: the last two and a half years, and one thing
Speaker 5: that we've learned is that you've spent more time in
Speaker 5: your bomb shelter along with your fellow Israeli people who
Speaker 5: live in Israel in your family than you would have
Speaker 5: liked to, especially over the last few weeks. And I'm
Speaker 5: wondering if that has changed, and how much that has
Speaker 5: changed since Tuesday and since this fragile ceasefire, Well.
Speaker 6: It's completely changed. I still you're looking at me in
Speaker 6: my bomb shelter because it happens to be my study.
Speaker 6: But after the ceasefire was announced, there has been very
Speaker 6: little There was a Hisbolla missile that reached Tel Aviv
Speaker 6: the night before last, but generally people are out. I
Speaker 6: just actually came back from the seaside where I had lunch,
Speaker 6: and lots and lots and lots of people are out,
Speaker 6: So there is generally a set of security now in
Speaker 6: this moment of ceasefire, for sure, Catherine.
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, the President, who has dispatched as Vice President overseas,
Speaker 2: is not in Washington this weekend. He's in Florida for
Speaker 2: he had an invention in Schotz Building on Florida for
Speaker 2: I believe a UFC fight. And then we have some
Speaker 2: comments from him on this whole thing before he got
Speaker 2: on his plant of Virginia on Friday.
Speaker 10: The Strait will open up if we just left. The
Speaker 10: straight's gonna otherwise. They make no money, so the Strait's
Speaker 10: gonna open. But what we have is no nuclear weapon.
Speaker 10: But we'll open the Straight anyway. Don't forget we don't
Speaker 10: use the straight. Other countries use the straight. So we
Speaker 10: do have other countries coming up and they'll help out,
Speaker 10: but we don't use it. It won't be easy. It
Speaker 10: won't be I would say this.
Speaker 8: We will have that open fairly soon.
Speaker 2: Do you think the President has essentially moved on from this?
Speaker 2: He seems to think it's going to resolve itself.
Speaker 9: No, moved on, And one tiny thing. He was in
Speaker 9: Virginia yesterday at this event. He actually went back to
Speaker 9: the White House last night, and he's expected to come
Speaker 9: down to Florida where it is just that said tiny
Speaker 9: programming note. Yeah, he's supposed to that he is. Yes,
Speaker 9: he is supposed to attend a UFC fight in Miami tonight,
Speaker 9: that is the expectation, and and then be here from
Speaker 9: part of the weekend. I think that he has made
Speaker 9: very clear he would like to move forward. I mean
Speaker 9: he also said in those comments to reporters, you know,
Speaker 9: they've effectively defeated around you know, they're they're you know,
Speaker 9: it's basically done. And you've seen him laying that kind
Speaker 9: of rhetorical groundwork for some time. Right, We've heard and
Speaker 9: talk about how this is that basically this mission is
Speaker 9: basically accomplished. They've done what they've gave way they've wanted
Speaker 9: to do, whether or not that is the case. And
Speaker 9: I think what's happening obviously, and this is referred to
Speaker 9: the I mean, he is under an immense amount of
Speaker 9: pressure about domestic gas prices, about public opinion polling, and
Speaker 9: about the midterm election, which we're already expected to be
Speaker 9: challenging for Republicans and now we're looking increasingly dire.
Speaker 8: I mean, the.
Speaker 9: Public is not sold on this war and the rise
Speaker 9: in gas prices is only sort of juicing frustration that
Speaker 9: was already there over the cost of living and prices.
Speaker 5: I want to bring in Philip Crowther. He is joining us,
Speaker 5: he's AP international correspondent. He's joining us from Islamabad right now, Philip,
Speaker 5: we're going to get back to the affordability portion of
Speaker 5: this for American for Americans and especially as Republicans and
Speaker 5: Democrats go into the midterms in just a few months.
Speaker 5: But since you are in Islamabad, just bring us up
Speaker 5: to date on what has happened with negotiators. What's the
Speaker 5: latest that you're hearing on the ground between the US,
Speaker 5: Iran and Pakistan.
Speaker 11: Yeah, this is where we have to start talking about
Speaker 11: what direct talks and what indirect talks are between the
Speaker 11: United States and Iran.
Speaker 8: That is why we're here in Islamabad.
Speaker 11: That is why there is a mediator between Iran and
Speaker 11: the United States and a host of course for these
Speaker 11: talks about the ceasefire, maybe peace talks eventually. So what
Speaker 11: Pakistan is doing right now is it is meeting through
Speaker 11: its Prime Minister Sharif with the two delegations, a meeting
Speaker 11: with the Iranian delegation has already happened. Iran represented here
Speaker 11: by its parliament speaker and by its foreign minister. Of course,
Speaker 11: as you know, on the US side, it's Jdevans, the
Speaker 11: Vice President, Steve Whitcoff, the chief negotiating Jared Kushner as well.
Speaker 11: They have also now met with the Pakistani Prime Minister. Now,
Speaker 11: that's how these talks tend to work, because the United
Speaker 11: States and Iran obviously don't see eye to eye together
Speaker 11: and don't tend to be seen in the same room
Speaker 11: together either.
Speaker 8: It's what often.
Speaker 11: Happens with warring factions. You need a mediator in the middle,
Speaker 11: and that is Pakistan here. Of course, the hope here
Speaker 11: is that eventually, after those meetings are done, that there
Speaker 11: might be a rap roshamo, if you will, between Iran
Speaker 11: and the United States and actual physical rap rosh more
Speaker 11: here in Islamabad, and that they will actually be able
Speaker 11: to sit not necessarily side by side, but opposite each
Speaker 11: other in a negotiating room here in the Pakistani capitol.
Speaker 11: Now it's important to note though that there are obviously
Speaker 11: huge differences between these two sides when it comes to
Speaker 11: extending this very tenuous ceasefire, maybe reaching some kind of
Speaker 11: a peace agreement, and that starts with Iran setting some
Speaker 11: preconditions to even meet in the first place. With the
Speaker 11: American delegation. The Iranians say that they want some of
Speaker 11: their frozen assets released in Qatar, for example, and that
Speaker 11: they want a ceasefire that is very tenuous right now,
Speaker 11: to also include Israeli attacks on Hesbala targets in Lebanon.
Speaker 11: That clearly hasn't happened over the last twenty four hours.
Speaker 11: So there is still a small question mark over whether
Speaker 11: we're going to see these actual face to face meetings
Speaker 11: between the US and Iranian delegations. Even if they don't,
Speaker 11: there can still be a successful outcome here. But it
Speaker 11: is a sign of how these two sides, even though
Speaker 11: they used to negotiating with each other, they obviously don't
Speaker 11: see isoi with each other.
Speaker 2: Well, if you're speaking music to my diplomatic reporter's heart,
Speaker 2: because I have also been trying to explain to folks
Speaker 2: that just because they're in the same city doesn't mean
Speaker 2: they're in the same room. Even if you see a
Speaker 2: photo of them, that doesn't mean that's where the negotiations
Speaker 2: are taking place. Normally with Iran, previously, when the Qataris
Speaker 2: and the Omanis have been moderating. They've been doing exactly
Speaker 2: what Philip was saying, essentially passing notes back and forth,
Speaker 2: delivering terms.
Speaker 7: But Philip, you know this, that takes a long time.
Speaker 7: And when I've interviewed.
Speaker 2: High profile diplomats who facilitated these talks, even they express
Speaker 2: frustration about how long indirect talks take.
Speaker 7: It's getting late there. They're not even like really going
Speaker 7: with this. What are they going to get done.
Speaker 2: In the day that they've laid out? Do you think
Speaker 2: these are going to drag on? Or do you think
Speaker 2: they're going to say this is great, let's try again
Speaker 2: next week.
Speaker 11: Well, okay, It all depends on what you might consider
Speaker 11: a measure of success in these talks. From the Pakistanis,
Speaker 11: they as mediators are already very proud. I can tell
Speaker 11: you that they are hosting these talks in the first place,
Speaker 11: and that they are seen as the country responsible for
Speaker 11: bringing this ceasefire to a reality in the first place.
Speaker 11: So for the organizers here, maybe a sign of success
Speaker 11: would be for these two delegations yes to meet, maybe indirectly,
Speaker 11: maybe directly, at a very high level, and for them
Speaker 11: to get along just about enough for there to be
Speaker 11: further technical talks as they're called. This means that lower
Speaker 11: ranked delegations might still remain here in Islamabad, or some
Speaker 11: might be flown in from Tehran and from Washington, for example,
Speaker 11: and that they will then be able to hash out
Speaker 11: some of the crucial differences. How does one come to
Speaker 11: an understanding when the United States wants the nuclear program
Speaker 11: in Iran curbed or almost halted entirely, and when Iran
Speaker 11: says it has a right to a nuclear program.
Speaker 8: How do they get to an actual agreement?
Speaker 11: How the Strait of Hormues might be reopened when the
Speaker 11: United States it says it has to be open to all,
Speaker 11: or even the United States might want to make some
Speaker 11: money with it, and Iran says that it wants control
Speaker 11: over the straight and actually makes some money with it,
Speaker 11: as it has been doing over the last few weeks
Speaker 11: in the first place, huge differences between these two countries, obviously,
Speaker 11: but that doesn't mean that there can't be some kind
Speaker 11: of a successful outcome.
Speaker 8: And that's diplomatic speak as well.
Speaker 11: You might not come to a huge signed agreement here
Speaker 11: later tonight here in Islamabad, but you might see the
Speaker 11: two delegations saying, you know what, we have enough of
Speaker 11: an understanding to keep on meeting and to keep on
Speaker 11: working on this whole thing.
Speaker 5: Bill Crowther, Associated Press International Correspondent joining us from Islamabad.
Speaker 5: I want to go back to Katherine Lucy, who is
Speaker 5: our White House correspondent joining us right now, and just
Speaker 5: Catherine bring you into the conversation about the question of success.
Speaker 5: And we heard from Philip just now, Okay, what success
Speaker 5: could look like to Pakistan and from a diplomatic angle,
Speaker 5: but how does JD Vance return from this trip and
Speaker 5: say that was successful?
Speaker 12: What does that look like?
Speaker 9: I mean, I think there's a lot of what if
Speaker 9: baked into that question, right, But I think one thing
Speaker 9: we've seen from President Trump that could extend here is
Speaker 9: that he is very good at sort of picking the
Speaker 9: things that he wants to emphasize and trying to declare
Speaker 9: wins when he can. If there is progress, I think
Speaker 9: that is what they will point to, right right, So
Speaker 9: if they can say we've moved forward on this talk
Speaker 9: continue you know, this was a good first day. I mean,
Speaker 9: and of course obviously if there's more, they will they
Speaker 9: if they if they reach a full deal, I think,
Speaker 9: you know, that's obviously a big win for them. But
Speaker 9: I think as long as they can cite that this
Speaker 9: is moving forward, I think they will try, and they
Speaker 9: could try and sort of argue that that was a
Speaker 9: was a good day.
Speaker 7: Ethan quickly before we have to let you go.
Speaker 2: Does Benjamin that nawho want these negotiations to be successful?
Speaker 7: I guess it.
Speaker 6: Depends on how you define success. If success means that
Speaker 6: the American demands that in the program they put forward
Speaker 6: an ending of all enrichment, the ending of the nuclear program,
Speaker 6: the ending of the ballistic program that cut off from
Speaker 6: the proxies, then I think he'd be delighted. He said
Speaker 6: so from the beginning, you know, and if a diplomatic
Speaker 6: solution can do it, great, But the likelihood, of course,
Speaker 6: given where we are, is that those things will not
Speaker 6: emerge from this. And in that sense, i'd say you're
Speaker 6: right to ask the question that he remains skeptical, and
Speaker 6: of course for him, for Israelis, it's a much more
Speaker 6: immediate danger from their perspective to have Iran back on
Speaker 6: the horse and agreeing to make money in the Strait
Speaker 6: and so on. So certainly a fair amount of concern
Speaker 6: here that this may happen in a way that will
Speaker 6: not be good for this country.
Speaker 7: All right.
Speaker 2: Ethan Browner are Israel BUA chief and Catherine Lucy are
Speaker 2: White House corispondent.
Speaker 7: Thank you both so much.
Speaker 2: Stay with us for more on Bloomberg this weekend right
Speaker 2: after this, Welcome back to Bloomberg this weekend.
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Speaker 12: What's going on with airlines?
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Speaker 2: It's so expensive and I hate flying, and I always
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Speaker 5: Well, that's why we're bringing in Katie Nastro. She's the
Speaker 5: going dot com travel expert, and we're talking about not
Speaker 5: just rising energy prices, but what these airlines are doing
Speaker 5: as a result of these rising energy prices. We've heard
Speaker 5: from a few airlines recently Jet Blue, Delta among them.
Speaker 5: They're not just raising ticket prices to deal with this,
Speaker 5: but raising bag fees to do this. Why are they
Speaker 5: raising prices in both areas when airline tickets are so dynamic.
Speaker 12: To begin with.
Speaker 14: Yeah, look, you know, two things can be true at once.
Speaker 14: You know, the price of airfare can rise, cheap flights
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Speaker 15: In the pocket as well. As they have now this framing.
Speaker 14: This justification of higher jet fuel prices, and they can
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Speaker 14: But do travelers. Can they just decide not to check
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Speaker 15: So it's really a win.
Speaker 14: Win for the airlines and he lose lose for travelers,
Speaker 14: especially when yes, base fares have increased. Domestic prices for
Speaker 14: summer just for example, according to our going data, up
Speaker 14: eighteen percent, international fairs up seven and a half percent.
Speaker 14: So unfortunately, this summer specifically is really going to be
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Speaker 2: I'm starting to get very mad at David Gerra who
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Speaker 7: But my concern is that.
Speaker 2: When we see industries raise these prices, they don't tend
Speaker 2: to go back down because consumers get used to it.
Speaker 7: That threshold sticks.
Speaker 2: We very rarely if oil prices go down, see those
Speaker 2: other prices go back down. Do you think these increase
Speaker 2: bag fees will stay at this level.
Speaker 14: I really hope I'm wrong, But I am not a
Speaker 14: betting woman, but I would bet that these fees.
Speaker 16: Are here to stay.
Speaker 15: They're pretty sticky.
Speaker 14: Historically, we have seen bag fees risen every few years,
Speaker 14: and it's likely that this was in airlines playbook all
Speaker 14: the long. But we have this perfect time frame now
Speaker 14: to raise fees.
Speaker 16: And have a justification to do so as well.
Speaker 14: As you know, Jeff Blue really started the trend and
Speaker 14: then United joined and if you noticed, it's a herd mentality.
Speaker 14: You know, if one airline dois, if one does it,
Speaker 14: it's a green light for everybody else. And unfortunately, again
Speaker 14: travelers are looking at this to.
Speaker 15: Be the new norm.
Speaker 5: Is it a way to creatively get us to buy
Speaker 5: sort of that more expensive tier ticket too, because if
Speaker 5: you think about it from you know, the perspective of
Speaker 5: these airlines, they have these different tiers of service. So
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Speaker 12: You get to pay to check a bag.
Speaker 5: But then if you buy that one tier higher you
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Speaker 14: Yeah, it's unfortunately feeling like you are being punished for
Speaker 14: just trying to get a base fair. We call basic
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Speaker 14: are options. When you do buy up, you are giving
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Speaker 14: a credit for the difference to use in the future
Speaker 14: within the year, so you're never actually losing out when
Speaker 14: you book that higher fair US. However, yes, it is
Speaker 14: a more exive expensive ticket on the upfront.
Speaker 7: All right, before we let you go. It's not just flights.
Speaker 2: This is impacting cruises as well, cruises light It's like
Speaker 2: the family bargain basement travel. I have so many friends
Speaker 2: who describe themselves as vietmamely not cruise people. But then
Speaker 2: they need to do a vacation with tiny children and
Speaker 2: older parents and families who can't decide, and they've all
Speaker 2: gone on a cruise and said, you know what, it
Speaker 2: was perfect.
Speaker 7: But it was affordable.
Speaker 14: It makes sense that people are looking at alternatives. We
Speaker 14: are looking at all inclusives, domestic all inclusives. Vegas just
Speaker 14: announced some of that is being implemented. Cruises always a
Speaker 14: family favorite because you know what your bottom line cost
Speaker 14: is going to be. However, written into cruise contracts is
Speaker 14: little stipulations surrounding that there may be fees after the fact,
Speaker 14: even after you paid. Now it varies across cruise lines,
Speaker 14: but that's something that travelers really need to be aware of,
Speaker 14: and unfortunately, again it's looking to be a challenge for
Speaker 14: those cost conscious travelers this year, specifically families.
Speaker 5: Okay, just settle this in the last twenty seconds that
Speaker 5: we have. If you once in facial challenge, no challenge.
Speaker 5: They are a best time to buy an airline ticket,
Speaker 5: a best day of the week to do it.
Speaker 12: Or have they just gotten so.
Speaker 7: Smart there were a certain number of weeks out.
Speaker 14: Yeah, no, she's just shaken air, complete myth that two
Speaker 14: pm on a Tuesday is going to be the best
Speaker 14: time four three am on a Saturday.
Speaker 13: Whatever it is.
Speaker 14: Your your booking window, your goldilocks window of how early
Speaker 14: ahead of your flight that you book is the best
Speaker 14: strategy that you can impart. Don't wait till last minute,
Speaker 14: but don't wait, don't book super super early. Somewhere in
Speaker 14: that juicy middle.
Speaker 7: Are you going on a trip this summer?
Speaker 15: Always?
Speaker 7: Where are you going? Did you find a good deal?
Speaker 14: I already booked my flight to Seoul, South Korea for
Speaker 14: fifty nine round trip.
Speaker 16: That was a stay fair that we found over it going.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but I really get to see nothing else. You
Speaker 5: have to bring your own food for the whole flight.
Speaker 2: All right, See you, Katie, Asta, thank you so much
Speaker 2: for joining us.
Speaker 7: I have an excellent trip.
Speaker 2: Stay with us for more on Bloomberg this weekend right
Speaker 2: after this, it's the weekend, and that of course means
Speaker 2: it's time to tackle really simple questions like what is
Speaker 2: the meaning of life?
Speaker 7: And how do I find existential happiness?
Speaker 15: Those are loaded questions.
Speaker 13: Here we go.
Speaker 4: Our next guest is as Arthur Brooks. He's a Harvard professor.
Speaker 4: He's also a happiness expert, and he is the author
Speaker 4: of a new book. Yes, it is the meaning of
Speaker 4: your life finding purpose in an age of emptiness.
Speaker 15: That is a tough one in itself, right there, Arthur,
Speaker 15: Thanks for Arthur j.
Speaker 13: Yeah, that's great to see you.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 15: I got to start with this because you talk to
Speaker 15: a lot of people.
Speaker 4: So in this book you kind of uncovered this similar
Speaker 4: theme on people who felt like they were stuck in
Speaker 4: this simulation.
Speaker 15: So there was a quote in there. I want to
Speaker 15: read it to you.
Speaker 4: Life felt unreal, full of false rewards, empty accomplishments, therapeutic talk,
Speaker 4: fake experiences, all curated to pass the time as painlessly
Speaker 4: as possible.
Speaker 15: I mean, does life like this for so many people?
Speaker 13: Really a lot, especially for young adults.
Speaker 17: I teach graduate students at the Harvard Business School, you know,
Speaker 17: and a lot of people who watch us here in
Speaker 17: Bloomberg they went to the Harvard Business School and they
Speaker 17: have an experience. They remember their time as one of
Speaker 17: real life and real relationships. And a lot of our
Speaker 17: students today are not having that experience. And the reason
Speaker 17: is because their lives are mediated by technology. When you
Speaker 17: put technology between you and the rest of the world,
Speaker 17: What happens is you get a simulated life. What I
Speaker 17: show in this book, what I show in this research,
Speaker 17: is that simulation you wake up and you look at
Speaker 17: your phone and you scroll while you eat breakfast, you
Speaker 17: go to work on zoom, you date online, you game
Speaker 17: after work, whatever it happens to be. The truth is
Speaker 17: that you lose the sense of real life. And what
Speaker 17: that does is it changes the functioning of your brain
Speaker 17: and you lose the most important thing in life, which
Speaker 17: is the understanding the meaning of your life. I talk
Speaker 17: about the science behind that. Most importantly, I talk about
Speaker 17: how you can fix it.
Speaker 2: Is it that they're holding themselves up to fosse ideals
Speaker 2: that they're saying online. Is it that they're dulling their
Speaker 2: ability to interact in real life because they're so used
Speaker 2: to seeing it through a screen.
Speaker 7: Is it all of the above.
Speaker 13: It's all of the above.
Speaker 17: But fundamentally, what's going on is that when you're having
Speaker 17: a real life experience, really complex emotions, which you have
Speaker 17: when you're with other people, you're using the right hemisphere
Speaker 17: of your brain, which is the why side of your brain,
Speaker 17: the meaning side of your brain. When you're on technology,
Speaker 17: you're using the left side of your brain, which is
Speaker 17: the what and how to side, the engineering side of
Speaker 17: your brain.
Speaker 13: You can't fool your brain.
Speaker 17: You can simulate a lot, you can simulate all kinds
Speaker 17: of experiences, but you can't simulate the meaning of life.
Speaker 13: And that leads inexorably.
Speaker 17: When you don't know the meaning of your life, when
Speaker 17: it feels false, you will become anxious. You will become depressed,
Speaker 17: you will become lonely, and you probably won't know why.
Speaker 15: That's why you mentioned earlier, how do you fix it?
Speaker 8: Then?
Speaker 17: Yeah, The point is that you have to live in
Speaker 17: a way that used to be ordinary and that actually isn't. Now,
Speaker 17: this is a real addiction that we have. The average
Speaker 17: American looks at her his phone two hundred and five
Speaker 17: times a day.
Speaker 7: I have two phones.
Speaker 17: I notice you have two phones there, but you have
Speaker 17: to looked at them the whole time we've been doing
Speaker 17: this interview.
Speaker 13: So I want to congratulate you on that.
Speaker 7: It's only been like what happened?
Speaker 17: So what happens is that you send your brain activity
Speaker 17: over to the left hemisphere and you stop doing the
Speaker 17: real work of mind wandering and thinking about questions of meaning,
Speaker 17: questions of mystery. The things that actually matter to us.
Speaker 17: You can't love somebody on the left side of your brain.
Speaker 17: You can only love somebody on the right side of
Speaker 17: your brain. Every time you look at your phone, you
Speaker 17: jar yourself out of the part that actually brings you happiness,
Speaker 17: which is obviously a big problem. Now, why did we
Speaker 17: do it? Is because you know, we don't like being bored.
Speaker 17: We want to distract ourselves.
Speaker 2: So I was just reading that people are like so
Speaker 2: boredom averse these days, that we're not getting that quiet
Speaker 2: time in our brain to think about people, we love,
Speaker 2: things we want to do, even the meaning of life.
Speaker 17: Yeah, so when you when you're bored, and by the way,
Speaker 17: when I mean bored, it's just you're not doing something,
Speaker 17: your brain naturally goes into the default mode network. That's
Speaker 17: what we talk about in the behavioral science world. It's
Speaker 17: a fancy way of saying that your mind wanders. We
Speaker 17: call it that because we need tenure and we have
Speaker 17: to make it fancy. But the truth is that mind
Speaker 17: wan is really important for understanding the meaning of life.
Speaker 17: That's why you get your best ideas in the shower,
Speaker 17: because the phone isn't in there for Pete's sake. But
Speaker 17: if you're looking at your phone all day long, you'll
Speaker 17: never be bored, but your life will be weirdly boring.
Speaker 17: You know, if you think back to your great grandfather,
Speaker 17: you know he never came home and said to his wife,
Speaker 17: your great grandma, honey, I had a panic attack behind
Speaker 17: the mule today. And the reason is because his brain
Speaker 17: was working the way it was supposed to. He was
Speaker 17: bored a lot behind that mule. But his life wasn't boring.
Speaker 17: But if I talk to a lot of young people today,
Speaker 17: and by the way, a lot of people my age too,
Speaker 17: their life is never boring from moment to moment because
Speaker 17: they've eradicated the boredom problem. But their life is actually
Speaker 17: really boring. They don't know what they're scrolling, they don't
Speaker 17: know what they're doing on the internet. They're just staying distracted.
Speaker 17: Life is like an airport lounge, and the meaning of
Speaker 17: your life is the flight that never takes off, and
Speaker 17: you're just kind of distracting yourself. That's the problem to solve,
Speaker 17: and you first solve it by trying to eradicate the addiction.
Speaker 17: You got to break the grip because this is neurochemically
Speaker 17: functioning like a like a substance or behavioral addiction, and
Speaker 17: then you have to go live like that.
Speaker 7: It gives you.
Speaker 13: It's a dopamine.
Speaker 8: Sorry, I knew that.
Speaker 7: This is why why you have a degree and I
Speaker 7: do not.
Speaker 17: Well, you know it said, but the neuro modulator is
Speaker 17: very very powerful. That mediates all addictions, to be sure,
Speaker 17: and it's very easy to break.
Speaker 8: Believe it or not.
Speaker 17: The grip of addictions over you are very easy to
Speaker 17: break with certain protocols. Not using your phone intensively for
Speaker 17: the first hour of the day. I mean you have to,
Speaker 17: the two of you have to because you're in media.
Speaker 17: You wake up and you look at the phone and say,
Speaker 17: what happened in markets?
Speaker 12: Right?
Speaker 17: But don't scroll. Don't use it to distract yourself. Never
Speaker 17: use it during meals, which you're telling your kids anyway,
Speaker 17: And never use it for the last hour before you
Speaker 17: go to bed more than anything else. Never look at
Speaker 17: it during the night. And if you do those three things,
Speaker 17: your relationship will change, and then you're able to start
Speaker 17: living differently like good old great Grandpa, which was ordinary
Speaker 17: for him but not so much for us.
Speaker 15: Well, it's a rule at our table, like at dinner time. Yeah, no,
Speaker 15: no phone, No phone.
Speaker 17: Yeah, you know the number one predictor of kids using
Speaker 17: their phones at dinner, Mom and Dad using the phone.
Speaker 15: Wrong example, I can't do that.
Speaker 3: How do you think?
Speaker 15: I'm curious? How do you think AI is going to
Speaker 15: change the game?
Speaker 8: I mean?
Speaker 15: Or is that the next book?
Speaker 8: Well?
Speaker 17: No, I mean It's like people ask me all the
Speaker 17: time because I'm a happiness specialist, how will AI affect happiness?
Speaker 17: And the answer it depends on how you use it.
Speaker 17: So the brain is hemispheric. The right side is the why, mystery, meaning,
Speaker 17: love and happiness side. The left side is the how to,
Speaker 17: the what, the engineering, analysis and tech side. So AI
Speaker 17: is the ideal part of the left hemisphere of your brain.
Speaker 17: It extends the left hemisphere to answer analytic questions for you,
Speaker 17: but it's horrible for asking questions that matter. The problem
Speaker 17: is when people try to use it for their right hemisphere.
Speaker 17: These are the complex problems of love and meaning. And
Speaker 17: when you ask AI questions about friendship, about love, if
Speaker 17: you use it as a therapist, you're using it wrong.
Speaker 17: The way to use AI to get happier is to
Speaker 17: get rid of all the nonsense tasks, all the quotitian
Speaker 17: things that bother you and using the time that you
Speaker 17: have leftover in real life and loving other people. That's
Speaker 17: how you use your brain correctly.
Speaker 2: Are you concerned that that side of the brain that
Speaker 2: AI helps will become less astute, will start to paralyze
Speaker 2: itself because people are not forcing themselves to not only
Speaker 2: not solve complex problems, but really basic things that I
Speaker 2: feel like you could do.
Speaker 7: My friends are going, oh, I put into chat GPT.
Speaker 17: Well, we're already seeing brain changes because of the technology
Speaker 17: in general.
Speaker 7: So can you see them like physically, Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 17: So for example, your brain is highly synaptically plastic. In
Speaker 17: other words, your brain grows in areas that you use
Speaker 17: for particular tasks, even in after childhood. And for example,
Speaker 17: you'll find that in the ancient times, London is a
Speaker 17: very hard city to navigate. Taxi drivers in London before
Speaker 17: the onset of GPS actually had more developed, physically developed
Speaker 17: parts of their brains for navigation, and now they don't
Speaker 17: because they're using GPS. So you will see synaptic changes
Speaker 17: in the brain. However, we'll learn new skills. I'm not
Speaker 17: worried about it's what it comes down to.
Speaker 8: My dad was.
Speaker 13: I'm a professional mathematician, He was a math professor and
Speaker 13: he said, in.
Speaker 17: My day, we would evalue it a logarithm manually, and
Speaker 17: you kids just plug it into a calculator.
Speaker 13: It's like, yeah, dad, but we're doing another stuff. That's
Speaker 13: what it comes down to.
Speaker 17: The problem is when you atrophy on the right and
Speaker 17: that's what's happening today. When you don't use the right
Speaker 17: side of your brain, when you don't ask the questions
Speaker 17: of complexity and meaning and mystery, then you will become
Speaker 17: depressed and anxious and lonely. And that's where we are today.
Speaker 7: Is it also that AI is not going to challenge you.
Speaker 2: You know, there's this fallacy sometimes that like the easier
Speaker 2: thing is going to make you happier, but that's not
Speaker 2: always the case.
Speaker 17: Well, that's absolutely true, but that actually speaks to another
Speaker 17: big problem of meaning. Challenge and hardship is central to
Speaker 17: the meaning of life. When you suffer, that's when your
Speaker 17: right brain is really active. And that's one of the
Speaker 17: reasons that we have a big problem today where we
Speaker 17: teach a lot of young people if you're sad and anxious,
Speaker 17: that means there's something wrong.
Speaker 13: With you and we have to lower that pain. Well,
Speaker 13: that's wrong.
Speaker 17: I mean that could be a part of life that
Speaker 17: isn't I mean, I tell my students it's like you're
Speaker 17: studying at Harvard. If you're not said and anxious, you
Speaker 17: need therapy and it's important part of life. And so
Speaker 17: I have ex recruitment video coming your way from I
Speaker 17: have a whole chapter in the book about never wasting
Speaker 17: your suffering because when you understand the nature of suffering,
Speaker 17: how you can grow from suffering, life gets richer and
Speaker 17: you find the meaning of your life.
Speaker 15: Well, I mean, are the kids going to be okay?
Speaker 4: I mean, I have a son who's the age of
Speaker 4: some of your students, and then I have a daughter
Speaker 4: who's you know, eighteen going on it teen, getting ready
Speaker 4: to go.
Speaker 15: To that Are they going to be okay? When it
Speaker 15: comes to you talk about loneliness, I mean relationships, things
Speaker 15: like that.
Speaker 17: We are losing a generation right now, we absolutely are.
Speaker 17: The reason I wrote this book is because it's necessary.
Speaker 17: I wrote this book because I want people to have
Speaker 17: a way out. This book promises that in six ways,
Speaker 17: you can find the meaning of your life in six
Speaker 17: months and change your life.
Speaker 13: Because I've seen it.
Speaker 17: I've developed this protocol over the past five years with
Speaker 17: my graduate students at Harvard, and I wanted to get
Speaker 17: it out into a mass audience because that's actually what
Speaker 17: we need. Look, we will figure out these problems, but
Speaker 17: I don't want to lose a generation of people in
Speaker 17: the meantime, which is why I'm talking about these ways
Speaker 17: of living alive, fully alive.
Speaker 2: If you could give I know, we have a lot
Speaker 2: of advice, and there is a very good book with
Speaker 2: lots of it.
Speaker 13: In it I've read.
Speaker 2: If you give one piece of advice to our audience,
Speaker 2: regardless of.
Speaker 7: Age, about how to be happy.
Speaker 17: The number one thing is actually breaking the grip of
Speaker 17: what's sending you, what was breaking your brain, and that's
Speaker 17: putting on your phone.
Speaker 13: Not all the time.
Speaker 17: You know, to throw it in the ocean and join
Speaker 17: a monastery, unless that's your thing. But the truth is
Speaker 17: actually in strategic times during the day, when you're neurocognitively programming,
Speaker 17: first thing in the morning, when you're eating your meals,
Speaker 17: and when you're loving your your spouse or partner dog
Speaker 17: an hour before you go to bed, just do those things.
Speaker 17: Just put down the phone.
Speaker 7: My dog hates my phone. He actually hits it with this.
Speaker 17: Oh yeah, no, no, they know because they have a
Speaker 17: very development, they have a very developed limbic system.
Speaker 13: They've developed emotionally in parallel with us. Your dog knows you.
Speaker 2: I love that, all right, Arthur Brooks, thank you so much.
Speaker 2: The book is the Meaning of Your Life in stores
Speaker 2: now in starts.
Speaker 7: No, thank you for coming in.
Speaker 18: Stay with us for more on Bloomberg this weekend. Right
Speaker 18: after this, welcome back to Bloomberg this weekend. Tim, put
Speaker 18: your phone away.
Speaker 5: I'm looking at the no cheating, no cheating doing.
Speaker 7: All right, it is time for the pointed news quiz
Speaker 7: to It's very defensive me just did a segment works
Speaker 7: is going to operate and just steal your phone.
Speaker 2: Before that happens, we're gonna go to Lisa, who's gonna
Speaker 2: explain to you what exactly is going on.
Speaker 15: This is the quiz for risk takers, okay, Tim, So
Speaker 15: I hope you fit right in. Let me explain it
Speaker 15: to you. Here's how it works.
Speaker 4: So you have thirty chips in front of you right there,
Speaker 4: split into three categories, so ken each all right. You
Speaker 4: have these little little whiteboards in.
Speaker 15: Front of you. There's three categories.
Speaker 4: Okay, So when each category comes up, you figure out
Speaker 4: you know, I feel confident about this one. I'm gonna
Speaker 4: put ten or I'm gonna put twenty on this one category.
Speaker 4: And you figure out by the categories. Okay, you write
Speaker 4: each I'm gonna ask a question. You ask you rtepherd
Speaker 4: answer on the board, and then you flip it and
Speaker 4: we see who gets it right.
Speaker 16: And we do that for each category. All right, are
Speaker 16: you ready?
Speaker 15: Are you ready?
Speaker 4: Okay, let's get to our category. So I'll reveal to
Speaker 4: you guys, so you can figure out what you want
Speaker 4: to bet. The first category is a I, the second
Speaker 4: category is fires, and the third category is retail.
Speaker 15: All right, so think about it.
Speaker 16: Where do you want to place your bets? Where are
Speaker 16: you going? You gotta put all ten? You can't, you can't.
Speaker 7: Don't do math here to pick a ten and flight
Speaker 7: it over? All right, I'm going to do ten.
Speaker 12: Yeah, make it easy.
Speaker 8: I'm doing all right?
Speaker 16: All right, all right, so let's get to the first
Speaker 16: question AI. Okay. On April eighth, a team of AI researchers.
Speaker 4: Debuted their model called blank spark, which name fills that blank?
Speaker 2: Hey?
Speaker 4: April eighth researchers, their model was called blank spark, What
Speaker 4: will fill that blank? I?
Speaker 15: Like the music we have too, I love it like
Speaker 15: get he looks he's.
Speaker 16: Oh he's erasing there.
Speaker 10: There we go.
Speaker 16: Okay, flip it. What do you got tim meta meta?
Speaker 7: No, and you have quantumtem No.
Speaker 16: The answer it is music music Okay.
Speaker 12: Okay, code named avocado.
Speaker 16: Yes, you're correct, you're correct.
Speaker 12: Do I get any part?
Speaker 7: But you get no points for that?
Speaker 16: Ok okay.
Speaker 7: So here's what happens. Okay, I saw you, but I
Speaker 7: was so confused.
Speaker 12: I wrote avocado because that was what internally what it
Speaker 12: was called.
Speaker 7: You should have committed, I would turn.
Speaker 8: Okay, and.
Speaker 12: I think I should got partial credit.
Speaker 16: But no, no, he erased it.
Speaker 7: And that's what happens. Don't second guess yourself. I would
Speaker 7: have agreed with you.
Speaker 4: But negative ghostorright, it actually comes out yes, Meta ceo
Speaker 4: Mark Zuckwork's new Meta superintelligence Labs. That was the first
Speaker 4: kind of a on a lot of it. All right,
Speaker 4: let's go to fires. Okay, all right, I know, very
Speaker 4: strange topic, but here we go. A suspect was arrested
Speaker 4: after a fire at a.
Speaker 15: Toilet paper warehouse.
Speaker 4: Which company leased that facility toilet paper. There's your there's
Speaker 4: your clue. There toilet paper warehouse. Okay, which company lease
Speaker 4: that facility?
Speaker 8: All right?
Speaker 7: Flip it, guys.
Speaker 16: What do you got Kimberly Clark, yes, Tim, and you
Speaker 16: have Charman.
Speaker 4: Oh Kimberly Clark is a wall they make They make Kleenex,
Speaker 4: Scott and cottonell.
Speaker 16: Okay, yeah, so no you you hold on you them
Speaker 16: all right, so you keep you know, hold them over me.
Speaker 7: But this category that could that could that could do it?
Speaker 16: Okay, we'll go to retail, all.
Speaker 15: Right, come on shopping hobo Nie Cheese techo.
Speaker 4: It costs twenty six hundred yen or sixteen US dollars,
Speaker 4: and it has c record sales, thanks of course to
Speaker 4: social media.
Speaker 16: Which type of product is it?
Speaker 15: What is a Hobonchi techo?
Speaker 6: You heard it?
Speaker 16: It was in the headlines this week. It's about sixteen
Speaker 16: US dollars.
Speaker 7: I feel like I did know that.
Speaker 8: Yeah, what this was?
Speaker 4: You remember passing the story and you're like, oh, what
Speaker 4: was that again? It's racking your brain.
Speaker 8: What is it?
Speaker 7: It's a it's not a clothing, and I.
Speaker 15: Can't I can't give any giftses.
Speaker 16: Nope, nope, I'm not giving it away.
Speaker 8: I'm sorry.
Speaker 7: I'm peaking at his board.
Speaker 12: I know it's not right, but it's a good guess.
Speaker 7: Okay, I don't know. I don't know. All right, all right,
Speaker 7: let's see what you got, says Macha, and it sucks.
Speaker 15: Okay, No, it is a Planner.
Speaker 4: It's Japan's fastest movie stationary brands. This is actually one
Speaker 4: of them because in the news in the in the
Speaker 4: control room has one, and she has it and it's
Speaker 4: it's look at it, you go what I mean?
Speaker 15: I mean, she's so organized.
Speaker 2: Oh my, I have paper Planner and it is Japanese
Speaker 2: but it's a different brand.
Speaker 7: But maybe I need to upgrade.
Speaker 15: I have one, but it doesn't have all of this
Speaker 15: stuff in here. Elizabeth.
Speaker 7: I'm so impressed.
Speaker 5: So if you're keeping track, Yes, you got zero.
Speaker 8: Right she has.
Speaker 12: I didn't know.
Speaker 15: She has to pass those over to me.
Speaker 7: Yes, I've gotten euro You did not get that one.
Speaker 16: But you know what, we have got a bonus.
Speaker 4: Here's the bonus question and the category is movies. Okay,
Speaker 4: all right, you probably might get this, Okay, no, you might.
Speaker 15: Okay.
Speaker 4: The Super Mario Blank Movie is a box office success,
Speaker 4: which word hailing from a two thousand and seven Mario
Speaker 4: game fills in that title. It's called the Super Mario
Speaker 4: Blank movie.
Speaker 15: You have children seconds, Here we go, Here we go.
Speaker 15: It's a sequel to you know, the Super Mario Brothers. Okay,
Speaker 15: what do you got, smash bros.
Speaker 4: No, it's a Super Mario Galaxy movie.
Speaker 12: Okay, so here's the deal. Yes, this was embarrassing because.
Speaker 8: You won.
Speaker 5: I'mbled out of out of like an opportunity for eight
Speaker 5: right answers.
Speaker 12: No, there was one right answer.
Speaker 7: We didn't degree. We integree.
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Speaker 2: No, it's a once a week thing, so you're going
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