1 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:07,880 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Emily, and this is and you're listening 2 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 1: to stuff Mom never told you. Today, we are tackling 3 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 1: a little topic you may have heard of before, the 4 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 1: one and only Miley Cyrus. Ohley, Oh Miley. That really 5 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:33,960 Speaker 1: is the way we're tackling Miley today because the latest news, 6 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:36,519 Speaker 1: I don't know if y'all heard, is that Miley Cyrus 7 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:40,479 Speaker 1: is quitting hip hop and returning to her country roots, 8 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 1: which really it sounds benign. It sounds like just a 9 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:48,599 Speaker 1: stylistic change. But if you look into a little bit 10 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 1: of the history of cultural appropriation and how Miley picked 11 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 1: up hip hop to run with it, Miley has been 12 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 1: very guilty of that, and it was a bit deaf 13 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 1: to the critiques that came up Bangers Days and when 14 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:07,680 Speaker 1: she rebranded herself from Disney's Hannah Montana to an edgy 15 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 1: woman who's in the hip hop scene and capitalized on 16 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:15,399 Speaker 1: black culture. Uh, you know, we're going to talk through 17 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:18,119 Speaker 1: some of the conversation that we started with the hair episode. 18 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 1: Is my hair a feminist statement when we talked about 19 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 1: cultural appropriation? And this is a perfect example of a 20 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 1: white woman who has made major financial gains through co 21 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:33,959 Speaker 1: opting black culture right in in her art. You know, 22 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 1: a lot of people when she first hit the scene 23 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:39,959 Speaker 1: as her sort of edgy rebranded you know, vibe, a 24 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 1: lot of people pointed out that it seemed as if 25 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:45,319 Speaker 1: she was putting on blackness as kind of a costume. 26 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 1: And I think that she the fact that she's now 27 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 1: kind of abandoned that and made it very clear. It 28 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 1: just gives a lot of credence to that argument. I 29 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 1: think it definitely does. It reinforces this idea that, um, 30 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 1: it must be nice right to have white privilege and 31 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 1: be able to you know, carry put on blackness as 32 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 1: a costume that yields big financial gains. When when when 33 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:13,919 Speaker 1: white women you know, are the ones twerking, or when 34 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 1: white women are the ones sort of running with black 35 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:21,399 Speaker 1: culture on stage or using black backup dancers as props. 36 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 1: I think I see it, I mean again as a 37 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 1: continuation of of how it plays out when you think 38 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 1: about hair, I see it a lot with hair, where 39 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:30,639 Speaker 1: you know, when you wear certain styles that like if 40 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 1: I wore in a job interview, I would not get 41 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:36,639 Speaker 1: called back if I wore in certain schools in America 42 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 1: right now, girls, you know, in America right now today 43 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 1: or you know, not being allowed to go to prom. 44 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 1: We're going to talk about dress code soon. That is 45 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 1: definitely not what if I showed up to a high 46 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:50,919 Speaker 1: school with the hair styles I could be, I could 47 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 1: be suspended. And we're talking about Gwen Stefani's like ninety 48 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 1: what is it in the ats, like the early to 49 00:02:57,600 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 1: mid ots, she was rocking a lot of corn rows. 50 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:03,360 Speaker 1: Katy Perry's got chopsticks in her hair, like And I 51 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 1: think that that's important to recognize when you're able to 52 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 1: sort of wear this as a fashion. For some people, 53 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:10,800 Speaker 1: it's not, you know, it's it's their identities, it's their 54 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 1: cultural heritages, and that identity doesn't leave you when you're 55 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 1: in a very different context, like being pulled over for 56 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 1: a broken tai light exactly. So that must be nice. 57 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 1: And I think that kind of being blind, that privilege 58 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 1: is where it got Miley in a lot of trouble. 59 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 1: And let me also say that I really wanted Miley 60 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 1: to be successful. I really wanted to see not another embarrassing, 61 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 1: ignorant white girl in the public eye, because, first of all, 62 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 1: I think I'm embarrassed for her right now because of 63 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 1: the ways that she is perpetuating really ignorant statements around 64 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 1: hip hops and things like, you know, it's all misogynistic, 65 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 1: This entire art form, this entire genre that has a 66 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 1: very long history, that is deeply rooted in the American 67 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 1: come up story and in the Black American history, and 68 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 1: she's painting it all with his misogynsy. I think that 69 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 1: that's one of the things that bugs me so much 70 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 1: about her statements. Honestly, it reads to me like someone 71 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 1: who doesn't really know that much about hip hop. I'm 72 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 1: so quickly reminded of not that long ago. I think 73 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:20,479 Speaker 1: it was Iggy Azalea, and this is back when Iggy 74 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:24,360 Speaker 1: Azalea was irrelevant. But you know, she was on Twitter, 75 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 1: and I want to say it was cute Tip, who 76 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 1: very lovingly tweeted at her like, hey, here are some 77 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 1: interesting facts about the history of hip hop that you 78 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 1: might be interested in, and she responded in kind of 79 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 1: a strange way. And again, I just feel like, if 80 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 1: you are someone who is making if hip hop and 81 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:45,280 Speaker 1: black culture is essentially helping you pay your rent, it's 82 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:47,599 Speaker 1: you owe it to folks this sort of do it 83 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 1: justice and to talk about it in ways that are 84 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 1: thoughtful and nuances to importin and like, maybe just care 85 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 1: about the culture exactly you've come from. And I think 86 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 1: that when Moley makes the goes on to say, oh, 87 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 1: I'm done with hip hop, it's all you know B 88 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 1: words and you know, swearing right in the Billboard interview, 89 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 1: let me let me read the quote, right, So all right, 90 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 1: read what I can from the quote. She gave a 91 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 1: very long and a little bit concerning lee disjointed interview 92 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:19,040 Speaker 1: in Billboard magazine that I highly recommend y'all check out. 93 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 1: But what's funny is that she said in the interview, 94 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 1: I haven't smoked weed in two weeks. And this is 95 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:29,480 Speaker 1: as clear headed as I've been in years. Isn't that phenomenal? 96 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 1: And I'm like, I'm again I wanted to cheer her 97 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 1: on because she's done some good stuff in this in 98 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 1: this time, and I think she's clearly created her own 99 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 1: path forward. She doesn't have a hyper produced Instagram feed, 100 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 1: and even like talking about legalization in marijuana, I think 101 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 1: could have been productive had she gone about it in 102 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:52,360 Speaker 1: a very different way, And yet here she is just 103 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:57,840 Speaker 1: like not representing her I think intentions very well. So 104 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 1: in the article she says, I love that new Kendrick song. 105 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:05,160 Speaker 1: She's talking about humble, you know, she pulls that that 106 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 1: line from Kendrick song about show me something natural, like 107 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:12,719 Speaker 1: a behind, let's say, with some stretch marks. She goes, 108 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 1: I love that because it's not come sit on my 109 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 1: insert the male anatomy phrase here that she would like 110 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 1: to or suck on my ditto like the male anatomy. 111 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 1: And we just talked about there. So she's saying, I 112 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 1: can't listen to that anymore. Quote. That's what pushed me 113 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 1: out of the hip hop scene a little. It was 114 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 1: too much Lamborghini got my, Rolex got a girl on 115 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 1: my you know what. And she goes, I'm so not 116 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 1: into that. And to me, that was an oversimplification and 117 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:47,159 Speaker 1: painting the entire genre and history of hip hop with 118 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 1: this misogynistic brush. Yeah. So I have a lot a 119 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 1: lot to say about that. First of all, just as 120 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:55,040 Speaker 1: a note, I think it's interesting that people who aren't 121 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 1: maybe a super into hip hop, but who want to 122 00:06:57,040 --> 00:06:59,359 Speaker 1: seem as though they are, always go to Kendrick lamar 123 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 1: as there. Oh like, it's so deep and woke and conscious. 124 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:05,719 Speaker 1: I love but it's it's interesting to me that that 125 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 1: it's always seems to be the you know it used 126 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 1: to be back in the day, it used to be 127 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 1: um tribe called Quest. Then when I was in college, 128 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 1: white guys would always hit on me by being like, Hey, 129 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 1: I'm really into tribe called Quests, so one too. I actually, I, 130 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 1: as much as I love Kendrick Lamar, I actually found 131 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 1: that song to be a little bit problematic. That, you know, like, 132 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 1: if you are a woman who you know, let's makeup 133 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 1: on and wants to get her hair alot, like shame, yeah, 134 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 1: and and that shouldn't make you It's just it seems 135 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 1: to me to fall along the lines of a very 136 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 1: traditional understanding of womanhood and female identity. That like, if 137 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 1: you are a woman who wears makeup and wears heels 138 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 1: and you know, straightens your hair or whatever, then you're 139 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 1: somehow less of a natural woman or less of a 140 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 1: real woman if you do these things. And I don't. 141 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 1: I don't buy that at all, because I straightened my 142 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 1: hair and I'm, you know, a real woman. I'm not. 143 00:07:57,320 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 1: I'm not like you know, it makes it seem if 144 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 1: you can't be smart and with it and progressive if 145 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 1: you do these things. So I already don't like Kendrick 146 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 1: as much as his music is great, does not have 147 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 1: a feminist perspective. We could do a whole episode. We can, 148 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 1: because I love his music as well, but like dang, 149 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 1: it's problematic when it comes to a gender lens. And 150 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 1: I think, and I think as a long time hip 151 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 1: hop fan, I think I have like accepted that that's okay, right, 152 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 1: it's as a feminist, as a black feminist and a 153 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 1: hip hop fan, you do have to say, well, I'm 154 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 1: enjoying there are plenty of songs that I enjoy that 155 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 1: do not have a feminist lens. But I think that 156 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:38,440 Speaker 1: what I get so frustrated with Miley about is that's 157 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:43,199 Speaker 1: I think that is true along including country. And I 158 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 1: think it's interesting how she is like, oh, well, hip 159 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 1: hop is all B words and you know, sex where 160 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:57,559 Speaker 1: but you get what I'm I'm coming from, um and yeah, 161 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 1: and presenting it as though hip hop is the only 162 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 1: genre of music in which that is a thing. And 163 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 1: it just feels like she has learned nothing about black 164 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 1: history in America exactly this entire journey in which she 165 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:15,679 Speaker 1: was called out for, you know, twerking, for her attire, 166 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 1: her using of black culture to make her edgy and 167 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 1: get out of Hannah Montana zone in the public eye, 168 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 1: which works right catapult from the top of the chart. 169 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 1: It's very effective. But you know, all of the critiques 170 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:31,560 Speaker 1: she she was given for using black women's bodies on 171 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 1: stage is almost a prop like she'd never acknowledged or 172 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 1: leaned into the discomfort. When I think Nicki Minaj, we 173 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 1: can come back to that which we talked about in 174 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 1: the hair episode. I think she came up when she said, 175 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 1: what's good Miley? You know she first called her out. 176 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:48,320 Speaker 1: There was that moment that there was no better. That 177 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:50,319 Speaker 1: was one of my top five moments of that year. 178 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 1: Was ground I also love you know, I just talked 179 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 1: about how much I love Nicki Manag all day. But 180 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 1: just as an aside, I love that Nicki Minaj was 181 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 1: had in the same brea as thanking her pastor. She 182 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 1: was like, I want to thank my pastor. But also 183 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:07,560 Speaker 1: back to this view word, I was like, oh my god, 184 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:10,079 Speaker 1: I'm talking about your pastor to call it out Miley 185 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 1: in the same breath that I love it, So I 186 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 1: felt again like, oh man, here's Miley cyrus uh talented 187 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 1: musician who has chops, who has vocal chal and who 188 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:28,199 Speaker 1: I wanted to see get woke Miley, get woke Miley 189 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 1: right being called out on stage by another one of 190 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 1: my favorite artists. I can't say Miley as a favorite artist, 191 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:36,560 Speaker 1: but I really wanted her to be successful in learning. 192 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:38,960 Speaker 1: And it's hard to be called out and get woke 193 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 1: in the public eye. I will admit it, um, But 194 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 1: I was witnessing my Nikki take her down and say 195 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:49,200 Speaker 1: you can't have the good without the bat. You can't 196 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 1: not be interested in the issues that affect the black 197 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 1: community but capitalize on black culture. And it was a 198 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 1: perfect point, but she totally had deer in the headlights 199 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:00,040 Speaker 1: and did not respond to that. Well, yeah, and I 200 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:02,320 Speaker 1: think that that is really My point is that I 201 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 1: do genuinely feel you know, if you're like no one 202 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:08,440 Speaker 1: is forcing you to be woke. It will be nice 203 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 1: if you were woke, but you know, you don't have 204 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 1: to make the choice to say I'm going to immerse 205 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 1: myself in black culture, hip hop culture and that's going 206 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 1: to help my come up. No one is forcing you 207 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:18,320 Speaker 1: to do that. But I do feel like if you 208 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 1: are going to, you know, pay your bills via things 209 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:26,679 Speaker 1: that have been popularized by the black community, it seems 210 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 1: unfair to do that and and just sort of do 211 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 1: it so callously. And I think that when she rebranded 212 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 1: herself as like, oh, I'm going back to country, it 213 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 1: just made it very clear that she saw that as 214 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:38,320 Speaker 1: like a costume or a hat that she could trad 215 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:41,200 Speaker 1: for a while and then walk around in it and 216 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 1: then take it off. And it just seems I don't 217 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 1: know that I've ever seen that happen in such a 218 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 1: stark way with a celebrity totally. And this is a 219 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 1: problem well beyond Miley, as we discussed, there's a big 220 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 1: hit problem in Hollywood and in the pop star creation 221 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:01,720 Speaker 1: engine that really incur his young pop stars, especially when 222 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:06,439 Speaker 1: they're transitioning from girl in the public eye to woman, right, 223 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 1: whether it's Christina Aguilera, Gwen Stefani, who was the other 224 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 1: person we were thinking of who had oh Katy Perry. Yeah. 225 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 1: Did we even talk about cultural approparation with Britney like 226 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 1: one was? I don't think so. But I mean for me, 227 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 1: it's like she was the ultimate when I think about 228 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:25,560 Speaker 1: how a girl yeow woman? Yeah, she was the ultimate 229 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 1: in my mind of like you know, young bubble gum 230 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 1: star who was sort of groomed to be this very young, 231 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 1: innocent person and then clearly sort of struggled with that 232 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 1: uh in the public eye, and then was kind of 233 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:43,440 Speaker 1: vilified for we have a tailor made so, even divorced 234 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 1: from the conversation of cultural appropriation, I think that that 235 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 1: is a tailor made thing. Watching female music, female celebrities, 236 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:53,200 Speaker 1: and even you know, probably one of my favorite favorite 237 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:55,680 Speaker 1: artists of all time on a much smaller scale, dealt 238 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 1: with this, Janet Jackson. People forget that in the early 239 00:12:57,880 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 1: days of Janet Jackson, she was sort of in her 240 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 1: brother shadow and that she one of her first songs 241 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 1: was called Let's Wait Awhile about how she didn't want 242 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:07,439 Speaker 1: to have sex. She was sort of being groomed to 243 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 1: be this sort of bubblegum, sweet, innocent, like family musician 244 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 1: who was sort of on the Jackson family, you know, lineup. 245 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 1: And then when she made Control, that whole album is 246 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 1: about how she, you know, is an adult. She's taking 247 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 1: control and her music got a lot more risque, and 248 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 1: so did she and you really saw exposing her and yeah, 249 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:32,720 Speaker 1: you really saw her kind of grapple and albeit in 250 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 1: a much sort of more subtle way, grapple with this 251 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 1: trap that I think we set for female celebrities to 252 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 1: get big when they're very young. We watched them grow, 253 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 1: and I think we expect a lot from them in 254 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 1: these ways that sometimes aren't always fair. So I wonder 255 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:51,680 Speaker 1: if we're seeing my struggle with that, right, and I 256 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 1: wish there was a better playbook for how to deal 257 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:57,439 Speaker 1: with that with by listening to your critics. And I mean, 258 00:13:57,440 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 1: we're dealing with that, right. We got some critics that yeah, 259 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 1: and we it's challenging to not get defensive. And that's 260 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 1: exactly what we saw Miley do. And I want to 261 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 1: bring it back to the issue of race and appropriation 262 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 1: here for a second, um to acknowledge that Miley's not 263 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 1: alone in this. And the incredible editor of Ebony magazine 264 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 1: back in t when Miley was hitting peak Bangers appropriation 265 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 1: phase with her album Bangers, Uh, they put out a 266 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 1: cover article Look at this cover that says America loves 267 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 1: black people, except it crossed out people and wrote culture. 268 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 1: That's exactly and she she penned the editor editor in chief, 269 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 1: Kierana Mayo, penned this great opening letter when she put 270 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 1: out that article, saying, Uh, you know what I've learned 271 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 1: is if you ask black people how they feel about 272 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 1: America's obsession with black culture but the all too common 273 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:02,480 Speaker 1: rejection of black people, you just may tumble down a 274 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 1: rabbit hole of no return. But that's actually a good thing. 275 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 1: We all have something to say about this. I only 276 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 1: hope your individual perspective finds a little validation right here. 277 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 1: And she talks about the overwhelming reminders that America truly 278 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 1: loves what it perceives as black, from baby oil to butts, 279 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 1: colored greens, crunk, but actual black people perhaps not so much. 280 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 1: And it's just I mean, they really went for it 281 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 1: with this cover to talk through this peak moment that 282 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 1: I think Miley was at the forefront of of black 283 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 1: culture being very cool. Yeah, and I think I mean, 284 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 1: as a black woman, I can say that black culture 285 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 1: has been like this is not any thing from like 286 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 1: the the you know, the twenties when it was black. 287 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 1: I mean think back to people like Billie Holiday being 288 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 1: having a headlining act but not being able to use 289 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 1: the front door of the club where she was performing, right, 290 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 1: like not being able to sit where she wanted to 291 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 1: sit after people after white people paid good money to 292 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 1: listen to her sin and I think this has been 293 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 1: something that we have this love hate relationship in America 294 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 1: with blackness, and that's something that has been very clear, 295 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 1: I think, through for for a very long time. And 296 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 1: honestly that that image, it reminds me so much of 297 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 1: a sign I saw at a Black Lives Matter protest 298 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 1: where it's a girl holding aside and it says, if 299 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 1: you kill us all, where will you get your ideas right? 300 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 1: And so again, it's this idea that like America loves 301 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 1: blackness when it's perceived as entertaining, when it's sports, when 302 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 1: it's this, when it's that, but whenever when it's displayed 303 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 1: by white women. Correct. Correct, And I think when it 304 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 1: comes to actual actually investing in blackness and protecting in 305 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 1: a flifting blackness in ways that are more meaningful, we 306 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 1: just as a country just don't. Well, let's take a 307 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 1: quick break, and when we come back, we're going to 308 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 1: dive into this latest transition back to country and why 309 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 1: that's especially problematic, as well as some of the good 310 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 1: things that Miley has been doing, um, some of the 311 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 1: interesting ways in which she's pushed the envelope, uh, and 312 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 1: some of the troubling things that she's been doing. We'll 313 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 1: be back after a quick word from our sponsors, and 314 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:19,119 Speaker 1: we're back, And I want to take a moment to 315 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 1: give Miley some credit for the good work she has 316 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 1: been doing. It's not all bad, and this is part 317 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:27,639 Speaker 1: of the reason why I feel so torn about Miley Cyrus. 318 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:30,400 Speaker 1: The first component is that she is a very talented 319 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:34,160 Speaker 1: singer and performer. There's no doubt about that. And when 320 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:38,199 Speaker 1: people could I feel, I feel like to watch the 321 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 1: Backyard session. I have enjoyed some of her songs. I 322 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 1: will say that she has a great cover of Jolene. 323 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 1: With the Backyard, I was like, oh, she actually doesn't 324 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:51,440 Speaker 1: have a nice voice, right, And there's but that's not enough, 325 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:54,160 Speaker 1: right what being in the public eye in the way 326 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:58,359 Speaker 1: that celebrities are, and being an artistic creator, you are 327 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 1: defined by the choices you make when it comes to 328 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:04,399 Speaker 1: how to not just put your music together, but the 329 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:06,359 Speaker 1: visuals that go along with it. So it's fair for 330 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 1: us to judge. But in her spare time, when she's 331 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 1: not hanging out with all her dogs and animals, which 332 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 1: is another part of my little vegan heart that I 333 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 1: kind of love about Miley, and I wanted to I 334 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:20,359 Speaker 1: wanted to see her succeed because she's big into animals, 335 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:25,639 Speaker 1: um and yoga, but she's also into um starting the 336 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 1: Happy Hippie Foundation, which is actually legitimately very cool. It's 337 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 1: very cool. And I watched her start that via Instagram 338 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 1: back in when she had started the Happy Hippie Foundation, 339 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 1: which is a nonprofit advocacy organization working with to end 340 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 1: really LGBT youth homelessness in Los Angeles. And what I 341 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:49,159 Speaker 1: often see is that celebrities, when they try to start 342 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:52,360 Speaker 1: a cause or a uh you know, advocate for something 343 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 1: they believe in, they go really big national. She went 344 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:58,440 Speaker 1: right to her backyard, which I love that just as great. Yeah, 345 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 1: I mean, I love the idea of hyper low goal 346 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 1: sort of starting and shout out to her because that 347 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 1: actually is very cool. Yeah. And she saw a problem 348 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 1: that she could take action on, and she wanted to 349 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 1: talk about something that a lot of people weren't talking about. 350 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 1: She used her public profile to shine a spotlight on 351 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:21,440 Speaker 1: this very glaring problem that people weren't talking about that 352 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:26,400 Speaker 1: especially effects LGBT youth. She sends Jesse on stage when 353 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 1: she's accepting, you know, she's not even accepting. She sends Jesse, 354 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:33,560 Speaker 1: who's a member or someone who benefited from the work 355 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:36,679 Speaker 1: through the Happy Hippie Foundation to go receive this award 356 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 1: on her behalf at the v m AS when she 357 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 1: was again winning for art that she created by appropriating 358 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:46,399 Speaker 1: Black culture. So there's a lot wrapped up in here. 359 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:50,640 Speaker 1: It's like, I feel so tremendous. You're like, you're doing 360 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:53,679 Speaker 1: great things for LGBT youth, But can we just like 361 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 1: acknowledge that you're still completely appropriating black culture, benefiting from it, 362 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:01,439 Speaker 1: cashing in on it, and not doing any work that 363 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:06,480 Speaker 1: I've seen to specifically address the issues facing the black community. 364 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 1: And that's problematic. It's problematic. And again, I mean I 365 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 1: something that I think I keep coming back to is 366 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 1: that what I wish that, what I wish I saw 367 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 1: her doing more of is messing up gracefully, messing up learning, 368 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:23,800 Speaker 1: saying like, oh, you're right, I did do this, and 369 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:26,159 Speaker 1: oh like, oh I didn't. I hadn't realized that, and 370 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:29,199 Speaker 1: grappling with that in public like she's done that with 371 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:32,119 Speaker 1: pan sexuality. She said it, and she come out saying 372 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 1: I didn't understand my own gender, my own sexuality. I'm 373 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:39,119 Speaker 1: you know, really interested in supporting LGBT rights, which I 374 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:42,159 Speaker 1: think is commendable and great. She talks about weed and 375 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:45,960 Speaker 1: legalization and animal rights, and she's done that in other 376 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 1: parts of her life. So why Miley can't you do that? 377 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 1: I mean with black culture. Yeah, I think I'm the answer, 378 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 1: which is that people get defensive when it comes to race. 379 00:20:55,840 --> 00:21:00,400 Speaker 1: So people who otherwise would be progressive, thoughtful, you want 380 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 1: sort of um like willing to own that they don't 381 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:06,639 Speaker 1: know have all the answers, and they might mess up. 382 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 1: I've I've encountered this in my day to day life 383 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:10,880 Speaker 1: quite a bit. The people that you think of as 384 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:15,159 Speaker 1: very um smart people, otherwise smart kind people when it 385 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:17,880 Speaker 1: comes to race, like a wall goes up. And honestly, 386 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 1: it's one of those things that I think there's a 387 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:21,879 Speaker 1: writer that writes about this that when you when someone 388 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 1: feels as if they are being accused of being a racist, 389 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:28,360 Speaker 1: that is something something happens to them in their minds 390 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 1: where they can no longer respond the way they would otherwise. 391 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 1: Like I'm forgetting the writer who writes this, but this 392 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 1: idea that what happens when you call someone a racist 393 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:39,880 Speaker 1: is they have the reaction that they have in their 394 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:42,200 Speaker 1: own minds is a very intense one, and I think 395 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:45,200 Speaker 1: it's just Miley is showcasing that, you know, for a 396 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 1: lot of people, grappling with race, particularly publicly, is difficult. 397 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:52,159 Speaker 1: Isn't that such an American unique? Yeah? You want to 398 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 1: talk about American exceptional and what did you say, exceptionalism? 399 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 1: We are exceptionally bad at grappling. Yeah, Well, clearly it's 400 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:03,360 Speaker 1: baked into our nation's history and it's so clearly still 401 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:07,959 Speaker 1: sticking around. Well, of course, one of our favorite publications, 402 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:13,399 Speaker 1: teen Vogue, covered this issue in a really exceptional way, 403 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:16,639 Speaker 1: in a really great way. So there's this article UM 404 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 1: that I came across by Michael Arson. No, Miley Cyrus 405 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:25,080 Speaker 1: faces rightful backlash in light of past cultural appropriation, and 406 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 1: in it he covers how UM being rightfully criticized. Miley 407 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:35,680 Speaker 1: took to Instagram to explain why it's okay for her 408 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 1: to just drop black culture, drop hip hop, and move 409 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:42,639 Speaker 1: on dot com right because she says what she wants 410 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:46,919 Speaker 1: to gravitate towards more thoughtful conscious hip hop. Yes, she 411 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:50,119 Speaker 1: goes quote, at this point in my life, I'm expanding personally, 412 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 1: slash musically, and gravitating towards more uplifting, conscious rap I again, 413 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:58,480 Speaker 1: I mean as a hip hop fan, is a long 414 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 1: time hip hop fan. It's quotes like that, and again, 415 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 1: just to unpack what I mean, I feel like that 416 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 1: comment sounds very positive, but if you if you unpack 417 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:11,359 Speaker 1: what she's actually saying, it's to me, it's like a 418 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 1: dig on hip hop. Right, you're saying that, you know. 419 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:17,159 Speaker 1: I remember when Miley's I was got on stage and 420 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:20,639 Speaker 1: saying the classic hit my neck, my Back, which is 421 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 1: all about pretty great, pretty intense sex acts. Right, she's asking, 422 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:27,880 Speaker 1: you know, and she's screaming the lyrics, and then she 423 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:30,880 Speaker 1: is and she's working on stage in a new bikini, 424 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:33,719 Speaker 1: and she's pointing the finger at others. And so I 425 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 1: feel as though it's it's hypocritical. It's hypocritical for her 426 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:39,919 Speaker 1: to have said it's fine. It's it's like saying, oh, 427 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:41,920 Speaker 1: it's fine when I do it, you know, And that's 428 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:45,479 Speaker 1: what I don't like. Yeah. Well, here Michael actually follows 429 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:47,760 Speaker 1: up her quote in his article saying, but if you 430 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 1: don't respect the subcultures you borrow from, you are not 431 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:53,639 Speaker 1: so much curious as you are a charlatan. In a 432 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,959 Speaker 1: perfect world, black art made by black people would be 433 00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 1: just as successful as the art made by a white 434 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:03,920 Speaker 1: artist whose quote inspired by it. In an ideal society, 435 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:07,160 Speaker 1: what black people are vilified for wouldn't be so much 436 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 1: more alluring when performed by white people. Totally. That means 437 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:14,199 Speaker 1: that quote just really sums it up nicely for me, 438 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 1: I think, And again that's something that I have I 439 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:21,720 Speaker 1: think any person of color has seen like play out 440 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 1: in so many different ways. Um, there's a poem I 441 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:27,720 Speaker 1: forget the name of the poem, the poet, but she 442 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,680 Speaker 1: talks about how if you you know, if you want 443 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:34,399 Speaker 1: to wear Bundy's, you should also take you know, you 444 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 1: can't just take the good and not the bad. Like 445 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 1: if you're gonna take take wearing a Bundy, and you're 446 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,400 Speaker 1: gonna take you know, wearing a Sorry and all of that, 447 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:43,960 Speaker 1: then you should also have to take all of the 448 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 1: heavier baggage that comes along with those things. You can't 449 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 1: just try them on like a costume and not take 450 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:50,639 Speaker 1: the heavier aspects of it or even really understand them 451 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:56,160 Speaker 1: or care about them. Yeah, it's disrespectful, and especially when 452 00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 1: when there's such commercial financial success connected to it. So 453 00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:03,239 Speaker 1: the talk about her returning to her country roots. I 454 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 1: read the full interview she gave on Billboard, uh, through Billboard, 455 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:10,880 Speaker 1: whatever you wanna call it, And I just wrote here 456 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:12,880 Speaker 1: in the notes, I was like, this is some serious 457 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:16,720 Speaker 1: all lives matter stuff right here, because what she's doing 458 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:22,159 Speaker 1: is similar to me in saying all lives, all lives, bladder, 459 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 1: all lives matter to folks in the Black Lives Matter movement, 460 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:32,560 Speaker 1: and she's saying um in the article the the author rights. 461 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 1: Cyrus was first inspired to reach beyond her circle of 462 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 1: quote outspoken liberals and cultivate country fans and red staters 463 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:43,639 Speaker 1: in ten when she began as a coach on nbc 464 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:47,439 Speaker 1: Stalwart Talent competition The Voice quote. I like talking to 465 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 1: people that don't agree with me, but I don't think 466 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 1: I can do that in an aggressive way, said Cyrus. 467 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:55,159 Speaker 1: I don't think these people are going to listen to 468 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 1: me when I'm sitting there in nipple pasties, you know. 469 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:01,320 Speaker 1: And I just had so much. There's some which to that, 470 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:03,119 Speaker 1: which is like, of course we want to talk to 471 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 1: people with who disagree. How about the black people who 472 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:10,880 Speaker 1: have been critiquing you, Like, why are you listening intently 473 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 1: and empathically to the folks who you know, we're we're 474 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 1: She talks explicitly in this article about Trump fans and 475 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:22,640 Speaker 1: Trump supporters, but you don't give black communities that same 476 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:25,199 Speaker 1: benefit of the doubt. I see this on such a 477 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 1: on both a micro and a macro level, and that 478 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 1: that has been reflected in our in our cultural dynamic 479 00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:32,919 Speaker 1: in so many ways, right, Like, why is it that 480 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,199 Speaker 1: after election, after the election, we all went through this 481 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:36,680 Speaker 1: thing where it was like, how about having a little 482 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 1: empathy for Trump supporters? And I am not suggesting that 483 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:42,639 Speaker 1: we should not have that Trump supporters are not deserving 484 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,119 Speaker 1: of empathy. How my question is why is it that 485 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:48,840 Speaker 1: we have to let when it comes to largely white 486 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,440 Speaker 1: audiences that we are very quick to suggest, oh, we 487 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:54,639 Speaker 1: need to be empathetic of their of their you know, 488 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 1: situations and all of that. But we do not afford 489 00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:02,200 Speaker 1: all people that privilege. Right when when young, unarmed black 490 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,440 Speaker 1: people are killed by the police, immediately they're like, well, 491 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 1: he was arrested for marijuana, but nine years ago, you'd 492 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 1: be the judge, right, Like he worked a little shady, right, 493 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 1: And so what my question is, I would be all 494 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:15,560 Speaker 1: about a more empathetic society if we're if we're champion 495 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:19,200 Speaker 1: championing that society for all, not just for white people. 496 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 1: And I think right now empathy is reserved for whites. 497 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:25,919 Speaker 1: I genuinely believe that, on a large scale, most of 498 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,920 Speaker 1: America does not believe the black community to be deserving 499 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,200 Speaker 1: of any kind of empathy that you know. And I 500 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,080 Speaker 1: think it's reflected and how we talk about these things. 501 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 1: I think, you know, how poor white voters are, you know, 502 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:42,639 Speaker 1: the working class or low income or whatever, and that 503 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:46,399 Speaker 1: we just think about those same people economically when they 504 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 1: are black. The conversation is very different. And so I 505 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:52,080 Speaker 1: just see that reflected all in all the ways. I 506 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:55,879 Speaker 1: am nodding vigorously over here. What's funny is it? Before 507 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:57,879 Speaker 1: we recorded this, I was like, guys, don't let me 508 00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 1: get too political, And here I am. And another thing, Well, 509 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,359 Speaker 1: it's hard not to. I mean, here she goes. Listen, 510 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:08,040 Speaker 1: Miley herself says, my record is political, but you can't 511 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 1: really say that because then the news headline is, you know, 512 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:13,919 Speaker 1: this is a political record, and then I'm the Dixie 513 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,240 Speaker 1: Chicks and I'm getting my album smashed in the streets 514 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 1: and that's not what I want. But telling no, she 515 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 1: wants commercial success just like bangers. She wants people to 516 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:26,120 Speaker 1: love her again. She misses her white friends, she misses 517 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,440 Speaker 1: he Honestly, the cover of this article should have just said, 518 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 1: Miley cyrus Colin, I'm white again. I miss being I 519 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,399 Speaker 1: missed my being adored by my white country fans. She 520 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 1: goes quote, I'm down for hanging with Blake Shelton on 521 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,960 Speaker 1: the voice. I actually want to take advantage of the 522 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 1: fact that he's there, Like how telling is that? First 523 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,239 Speaker 1: of all, and then his fans don't really take me 524 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 1: seriously as a country artist. One. I haven't given them 525 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 1: that music. But listen, I've got a tattoo of Johnny 526 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,520 Speaker 1: Cash's autograph he gave me when I was a little 527 00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 1: girl that says, I'm in your corner. Dolly Parton is 528 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 1: my you know, god mother. And the fact that country 529 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 1: music fans are scared of me that hurts me. And 530 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,720 Speaker 1: I'm just thinking, oh, poor Mile. She has a tiny 531 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,000 Speaker 1: faction of an experience of what it's like to be 532 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:16,080 Speaker 1: black in America and and feared and not so embraced 533 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,440 Speaker 1: by white country fans. And that's what it comes down 534 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:20,080 Speaker 1: to for me as a black woman. I can't just 535 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 1: take this, put this on, take this off. But she 536 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,200 Speaker 1: believes that she should be able to, you know, sit 537 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 1: with the black kids at lunch and be fine and 538 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,680 Speaker 1: be accepted, and then sit with the country kids at 539 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:31,920 Speaker 1: lunch and be fine and be accepted. And this idea, 540 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 1: I mean, she says that herself, I have not given 541 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:39,120 Speaker 1: country music listeners country music, yet she still feels like 542 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:43,080 Speaker 1: they they should be like there and to their support. 543 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 1: That's what I think that bugs me so much about that. 544 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:46,920 Speaker 1: And then she goes on to say, quote, it's mind 545 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,719 Speaker 1: boggling to me that there was even a controversy around 546 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:53,000 Speaker 1: me having black dancers. That became a thing where people 547 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:56,120 Speaker 1: said I was taking advantage of black culture and with 548 00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:58,720 Speaker 1: Mike Will made it what the you know, and then 549 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,760 Speaker 1: f she says that wasn't true. Those were the dancers 550 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 1: I liked. And so this is a perfect example of 551 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:08,360 Speaker 1: Miley not actually hearing what our critics have to say, 552 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:12,200 Speaker 1: of Miley not getting curious around the issues facing black 553 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 1: Americans today that have given her the commercial success, like 554 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,600 Speaker 1: the culture from which she has derived commercial success. She's 555 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 1: clearly not listening and she's just getting defensive, like you said, 556 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:25,479 Speaker 1: And I think, I mean, as someone who has had 557 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 1: plenty of like online discussions about race online arguments about race. 558 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,240 Speaker 1: I see that so clearly. How she twists it that, 559 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 1: like people were not yelling at you because you had 560 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 1: black dancers. You're misrepresenting what they are saying and you 561 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:41,440 Speaker 1: don't get it. And I do think it's possible for 562 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:45,000 Speaker 1: celebrities who borrow a lot from black culture to do 563 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:46,800 Speaker 1: it thoughtfully, Like I look at one of my favorite 564 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,320 Speaker 1: musicians and also shout out to my mom because I 565 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:50,880 Speaker 1: just I spent a weekend at home and I found 566 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 1: out that my mom has a mild not even mild, 567 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,440 Speaker 1: has a pretty big crush on Bruno Mars, my mom 568 00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,440 Speaker 1: and she was like, Mars so handsome. I was like, 569 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:01,280 Speaker 1: are you in love with Brute? Are you gonna leave 570 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,760 Speaker 1: dad for Bruno Mars's happening? But Bruno Mars, I think 571 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:09,080 Speaker 1: is someone who it's not black, he very much, you know, 572 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:11,880 Speaker 1: he founds like a black R and B singer from 573 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:15,160 Speaker 1: you know, the nineties, and he's someone who has a 574 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,440 Speaker 1: lot of thoughtful things to say about black culture. He 575 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:21,320 Speaker 1: very much is explicit and saying like, yeah, I respect 576 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 1: black culture so much. And so he in an interview 577 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:27,440 Speaker 1: said when you say, when you say black music, understand 578 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,560 Speaker 1: that you're talking about rock, jazz, R and B, reggae, funk, doop, 579 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,480 Speaker 1: hip hop, and motown black people created at all. Being 580 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:35,760 Speaker 1: Puerto Rican even saw some music stems back to the 581 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,600 Speaker 1: motherland of Africa. So in my world, black music means 582 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,520 Speaker 1: everything to me. It's what gives America. It's swag, and 583 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:44,520 Speaker 1: I think it's No one is saying you can't have 584 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:46,920 Speaker 1: black backup dancers. No one is saying you can't borrow 585 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,400 Speaker 1: from hip hop, from jazz, from funk, from doop, from 586 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 1: go go, from all of that. But you just have 587 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,240 Speaker 1: to do like if you're if you're paying your rent 588 00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,760 Speaker 1: being things that black folks built, you need to It's 589 00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,640 Speaker 1: worth it to do it thoughtfully, to do it, you know, carefully, 590 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,120 Speaker 1: and I think shout out to Bruno Mars for priding 591 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,200 Speaker 1: that template of how you can do that. And I 592 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:11,080 Speaker 1: just feel like, as a white woe, I'm looking at 593 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:14,120 Speaker 1: Miley Ands and like, come on, Miley, woke it up 594 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,400 Speaker 1: a little bit. Don't be it, don't like, don't tarnish 595 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:21,920 Speaker 1: all white Wood's reputation. She totally is bringing. She's in 596 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:23,960 Speaker 1: my haircut. There was so many ways I wanted her 597 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,240 Speaker 1: to do this right, and she just time and time 598 00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:29,880 Speaker 1: again has criticized the critiques instead of like actually listening 599 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:31,440 Speaker 1: to what's going on there. And so we're gonna get 600 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,160 Speaker 1: into a lot more all things Miley. But after a 601 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:44,960 Speaker 1: quick word from our sponsor, and we're back, and there's 602 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:48,600 Speaker 1: one more little nugget of Miley that it's just too 603 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,880 Speaker 1: kind of troubling and weird to not mention, which is 604 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,920 Speaker 1: her video for baby Talk. Right. I don't know if 605 00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:58,200 Speaker 1: anybody saw this, because this is that peak cringe Miley moment. 606 00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 1: I think the whole world collective just looked away when 607 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:05,520 Speaker 1: she got in a giant diaper and a baby bonnet 608 00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,640 Speaker 1: and a pascifire and rolled around and grinded up in 609 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,800 Speaker 1: a crib for an entire music video baby Talk. I 610 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:14,320 Speaker 1: have to say I had not seen this video when 611 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:19,280 Speaker 1: I pulled it up right before the episode, I shrieked, 612 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,840 Speaker 1: if you've ever seen that episode of Dirty Rock where 613 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:25,440 Speaker 1: one of the characters, Frank, has that hot baby or 614 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:28,640 Speaker 1: sexy baby skins, and it's like a woman wearing a 615 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:32,200 Speaker 1: plastic baby dog head but also wearing a BAKKINI that 616 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,920 Speaker 1: was immediately what I thought of. It was so and 617 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:38,160 Speaker 1: so trigger warning here for anyone who's dealt with these 618 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,800 Speaker 1: issues in a really big way probably should have said 619 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,840 Speaker 1: that a couple of seconds ago. But this is like 620 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:47,360 Speaker 1: pervert bait, right. We're talking about the sexualization of children 621 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,160 Speaker 1: in her video, and I don't think there was enough 622 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:55,480 Speaker 1: of a public backlash against the explicit hyper sexualization of 623 00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,480 Speaker 1: children and babies. And it also came up for me 624 00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:02,480 Speaker 1: again when I was watching her brand new video for Malibu, 625 00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:04,200 Speaker 1: and maybe it's just me. I don't want to be 626 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,040 Speaker 1: I don't want to body shame Miley Cyrus for being 627 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:11,160 Speaker 1: fin or having a childlike body, but there is an 628 00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:13,759 Speaker 1: innocence and this goes back to the dichotomy we're talking 629 00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,160 Speaker 1: about right at the opening of being a pop star, 630 00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:20,960 Speaker 1: a female pop star in America today means, you know, uh, 631 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:26,279 Speaker 1: fluctuating between the innocent Brittany of the schoolgirl era with 632 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:29,360 Speaker 1: a little shirt tied up, which is a pretty hyper 633 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:33,319 Speaker 1: sexualized sixteen year old high school student that we're all 634 00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:37,400 Speaker 1: like thinking is super hot to eighteen year old woman 635 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:42,680 Speaker 1: you know now can be a legal sex office exactly. 636 00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:48,280 Speaker 1: And so Miley's version was that can't be tamed. And 637 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,319 Speaker 1: now she's having this like I feel like she's coming 638 00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,160 Speaker 1: full circle trying to get out of hip hop by 639 00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:58,480 Speaker 1: going back to this child like freakishly child like, like 640 00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:02,560 Speaker 1: maybe a little disturbed try like. And I think I 641 00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:04,920 Speaker 1: think that you really hit the nail on the head 642 00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:09,719 Speaker 1: in terms of how female pop stars especially are when 643 00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:12,719 Speaker 1: they start out very young and innocent, like they we 644 00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,760 Speaker 1: want to watch them. We're first of all, we're actively 645 00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:17,960 Speaker 1: rooting for them to fail. I think of the culture, 646 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,200 Speaker 1: We're like, yeah, I can't wait till she's you know, 647 00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:23,879 Speaker 1: shaving her head that I don't know. We we we 648 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:29,120 Speaker 1: I'm so guilty of it. So I'm every all these 649 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:34,160 Speaker 1: young successful or like early successful Disney stars, You're like, yeah, 650 00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:37,440 Speaker 1: you I think we maybe we don't. We're uncomfortable with 651 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,440 Speaker 1: the sort of squeaky clean im injury they project, and 652 00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:45,440 Speaker 1: so we when they kind of go rogue, it's fascinating. 653 00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,799 Speaker 1: But yeah, I think I'm old enough to remember back 654 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,759 Speaker 1: when she was still squeaky clean and there was like 655 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:54,879 Speaker 1: pictures of her hitting a bong and things like that, 656 00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,680 Speaker 1: and it was a huge controversy. And I just think 657 00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:00,440 Speaker 1: that she was presented with the choice of do like, 658 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,799 Speaker 1: do I stay sort of childlike? Do I grow up? 659 00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,440 Speaker 1: And she just leaned super hard in the other direction. 660 00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:08,120 Speaker 1: I'm part of me can't kind of blame her. Well, 661 00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,880 Speaker 1: it worked for her, let's just acknowledge how commercially successful 662 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,919 Speaker 1: she became, but in doing so, she isolated the nice 663 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:17,120 Speaker 1: white country folk who she had as fans. And speaking 664 00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:19,840 Speaker 1: of hitting the bond, now she's bragging in her Billboard 665 00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:23,480 Speaker 1: article about ditching marijuana and going back to this innocent, 666 00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:27,160 Speaker 1: clean Miley, and so it just seems like this grasping 667 00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,680 Speaker 1: at a pass that she can't you can't reclaim that. Okay, 668 00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:35,279 Speaker 1: that's not gonna work totally, And there's this infantilizing component 669 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:38,479 Speaker 1: to it that I think was evident in the most 670 00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,799 Speaker 1: pedophile like bait video I've ever seen in my life, 671 00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,440 Speaker 1: Babe Talk, and even in Malibu, which is sort of 672 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:50,719 Speaker 1: like clean, innocent, very childlike imagery around And maybe I'm 673 00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:52,360 Speaker 1: the only one who see use it this way, but like, 674 00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:56,720 Speaker 1: I think we're basically like rooting on this very very 675 00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:01,920 Speaker 1: childlike version of Miley's body being actualized and portrayed in 676 00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:05,160 Speaker 1: this like sweet innocent, jungly, you know, on the kid 677 00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:07,640 Speaker 1: on the beach type way. She's uncomfortable, and I think 678 00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,160 Speaker 1: what's clear to anyone who saw that image of her 679 00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:13,160 Speaker 1: like in a desert on in a flowy white dress, 680 00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,080 Speaker 1: what what what she was trying to project? I think 681 00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:20,279 Speaker 1: it was very clear, like what method she was trying 682 00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:22,040 Speaker 1: to send out and what we're supposed to take away 683 00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:24,120 Speaker 1: from that image when you look at the image of her, 684 00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,319 Speaker 1: you know, working on stage in a nude body suit 685 00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,640 Speaker 1: and this image of her wearing a long flowing way 686 00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:34,399 Speaker 1: down very visional, you know, And I think it's very 687 00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:37,320 Speaker 1: clear what we're being asked to take away from images 688 00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,799 Speaker 1: like that. And isn't it sad that those are the 689 00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,600 Speaker 1: two tropes that women in the public, either one or 690 00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:44,440 Speaker 1: the other, one or the other. You can't be of 691 00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:48,120 Speaker 1: multifaceted human being. You're either the virgin or the vixen. 692 00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,319 Speaker 1: It's just so I mean, in some ways it's kind 693 00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,279 Speaker 1: of sad. But like she's got the I'm looking at 694 00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:55,560 Speaker 1: the video now, she got the little pig tails, Like 695 00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:58,759 Speaker 1: it's almost like Mariah Carey esque, like wildflowers. It's the 696 00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,040 Speaker 1: pig deals. That's what really did it for me. She 697 00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:04,120 Speaker 1: she's got two little braids and she's got pigtails. And 698 00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,120 Speaker 1: to me, maybe I'm judging pigtails too much here, But 699 00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:11,200 Speaker 1: there's this like kind of childlike innocence with the balloons 700 00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:16,759 Speaker 1: and the goofy dancing, and I just think it just 701 00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:20,959 Speaker 1: feels like pedophile bait. Am I wrong? I'm I don't 702 00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,080 Speaker 1: know if you're wrong, but I don't like this is 703 00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:26,000 Speaker 1: this video is like legitimately making me a very very 704 00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:29,319 Speaker 1: I don't quite know what it is about it that 705 00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:36,400 Speaker 1: I find so I just strange. I just left thinking, Oh, Miley, 706 00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:38,200 Speaker 1: and that's I think that's where we have to leave it, 707 00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:41,520 Speaker 1: like little girl skipping through the skipping through the fields 708 00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:44,919 Speaker 1: with her doggie. It's just like, please take me back country, 709 00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,279 Speaker 1: you know, please love me again. I'm just a little girl, 710 00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,000 Speaker 1: and it's got that like innocent thing to it. But 711 00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:52,360 Speaker 1: maybe maybe I'm reading way too much into this, y'all. 712 00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:57,640 Speaker 1: I have not seen writing on like the pedophile angle 713 00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:01,120 Speaker 1: of Miley Cyrus. I haven't seen a lot of cultural critique, 714 00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,160 Speaker 1: especially even there was a little bit on the baby 715 00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:07,239 Speaker 1: Talk video. But y'all, this is just another way in 716 00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,600 Speaker 1: which I feel like in her quest to be an 717 00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:15,560 Speaker 1: independent creative person, and I totally respect the endeavor, the 718 00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:19,000 Speaker 1: intent behind going your own route, not having a hyper 719 00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:23,000 Speaker 1: managed you know, creative control, like taking your own creative 720 00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:25,399 Speaker 1: control as an artist. But if you're going to borrow 721 00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:27,279 Speaker 1: from black culture the way with Miley Cyrus is done. 722 00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:29,560 Speaker 1: If you're gonna run around in a diaper in the 723 00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:33,680 Speaker 1: way the Miley Cyrus has done, you better be cognizant 724 00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:37,840 Speaker 1: of more than just how the homeless LGBT youth of 725 00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:41,080 Speaker 1: Los Angeles need your help, or the pets need your help, 726 00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:44,759 Speaker 1: or the pets, Yeah, how about black people. Let's start there. 727 00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,320 Speaker 1: I mean, I not I don't want to trash Miley 728 00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:49,600 Speaker 1: because I agree with you, Like I remember when I 729 00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:51,719 Speaker 1: saw her on the Vienna Is a friend of mine, 730 00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:54,000 Speaker 1: a co worker said, Oh, it was such a weird 731 00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:57,239 Speaker 1: kind of like interesting, weird performance. I almost just want 732 00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:00,880 Speaker 1: to give her like a box of Riot Girl CDs 733 00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,440 Speaker 1: at a box, you know, a box of like interesting 734 00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,520 Speaker 1: music to help her along this path that she's on 735 00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:09,120 Speaker 1: so she gets to where she needs to go. And 736 00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:11,480 Speaker 1: I just, you know, I think for me, the kind 737 00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:13,040 Speaker 1: of end all be all of all this is that 738 00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:16,799 Speaker 1: it's probably it's very difficult to grapple with all of 739 00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:19,160 Speaker 1: this in the public eye. Definitely get woke in the 740 00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:22,279 Speaker 1: public eye. But there are models for people who are 741 00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:24,480 Speaker 1: doing it right and there is a right way to 742 00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:26,399 Speaker 1: do it, and I just I feel like she's doing 743 00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:30,000 Speaker 1: it wrong constantly. Yeah, and this part, I mean, let's see. 744 00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:33,040 Speaker 1: I want to hear from our country fans. Are you 745 00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:35,759 Speaker 1: embracing Miley with open arms? Is this working for you? 746 00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,319 Speaker 1: I have a feeling it's not. And how about those 747 00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:41,040 Speaker 1: who fell in love with Miley of the hip hop genre? 748 00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:44,160 Speaker 1: How do you feel about her not only ditching the 749 00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:47,840 Speaker 1: genre but also trashing it on her way out the door? Um? 750 00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:52,759 Speaker 1: And let's talk about Miley and LGBT advocacy and her 751 00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,359 Speaker 1: coming out as pan sexual. Let's talk about Miley and race. 752 00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:59,359 Speaker 1: Let's talk about Miley and the somewhat infantilizing of her. 753 00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,440 Speaker 1: Is a coal appearance in a weirdly sexual way? Does 754 00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:05,120 Speaker 1: that bother you as much as it bothers me? And 755 00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:07,000 Speaker 1: how do we how do we like? How do we 756 00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:11,680 Speaker 1: move forward from here? I want to champion women who 757 00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:15,600 Speaker 1: are navigating the creative process because it's not easy getting 758 00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:18,319 Speaker 1: wogan and easy either, but doing so in the public eye. 759 00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:21,359 Speaker 1: I just feel like, aren't there better ways for us 760 00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:25,120 Speaker 1: to help help help each other sort of stay awoke, 761 00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:28,600 Speaker 1: be woke and stay awoke, So with that, we want 762 00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:31,640 Speaker 1: to hear from you any any last word I think, 763 00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:34,400 Speaker 1: I think all right? So how can how can our 764 00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,640 Speaker 1: lovely ladies uh hit us up on so we didn't 765 00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:39,480 Speaker 1: we need to hear it from y'all. Um. You can 766 00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:42,000 Speaker 1: hit us up on the Graham at Stuff Mom Never 767 00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:45,840 Speaker 1: Told You, on Twitter at mom Stuff podcast, and you 768 00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:48,239 Speaker 1: can shoot us a good old fashioned email. Tell us 769 00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:53,160 Speaker 1: about your canail us Mom Stuff at how stuff works 770 00:41:53,280 --> 00:42:00,479 Speaker 1: dot com. Four