WEBVTT - Boycott Black Murder 0:00:05.600 --> 0:00:07.880 What's up, family, I'm to make a d. Mallory and 0:00:07.880 --> 0:00:10.119 it's your boy my son. In general, we are your 0:00:10.160 --> 0:00:13.399 host of street Politicians, the place where the streets and 0:00:13.560 --> 0:00:18.639 politics meet. Street Politicians is a thing. Number one number 0:00:18.640 --> 0:00:22.239 on podcast in a number one in our minds. Now 0:00:22.320 --> 0:00:25.000 we need to make it the arts in the world, 0:00:26.720 --> 0:00:30.080 in our hearts, in mind, but it needs to be 0:00:30.160 --> 0:00:34.840 on the charts, which means that people need to support UM. 0:00:35.000 --> 0:00:37.919 People need to share and tell your family members and 0:00:38.000 --> 0:00:42.239 friends that street Politicians is a real thing. We have 0:00:42.360 --> 0:00:46.839 tried our best over the last several shows, all our 0:00:46.880 --> 0:00:51.320 shows to bring information that people want to hear UM, 0:00:51.360 --> 0:00:58.280 to ensure that's that's important relevant communities. It's not always UM, 0:00:58.320 --> 0:01:02.320 you know, political, but I believe we believe that everything 0:01:02.360 --> 0:01:05.160 we do is political, from the food we eat, to 0:01:05.480 --> 0:01:08.199 the drinks that we have, to the fund we try 0:01:08.200 --> 0:01:11.000 to have, to the things that happen in our communities, 0:01:11.080 --> 0:01:15.720 even sexist political. So whatever we're talking about somehow or another, 0:01:15.920 --> 0:01:21.480 it circles back to how it impacts our community. Sexist political, 0:01:21.520 --> 0:01:23.600 I mean it is. You got to think about it 0:01:23.640 --> 0:01:27.760 because it's very political. But I mean, you need UM, 0:01:29.200 --> 0:01:33.000 you need UM. Somebody got to sign off. Well, you 0:01:33.080 --> 0:01:37.240 mean that consent. You need political agreement. You need to 0:01:37.319 --> 0:01:42.520 get a political agreement. Political that would be legal. Politically 0:01:42.520 --> 0:01:45.200 you said it's political, so we need political agreements. Men, 0:01:45.319 --> 0:01:48.080 get you a sign before you do anything these days, 0:01:48.120 --> 0:01:50.640 get you signed is done. And I think that even 0:01:50.760 --> 0:01:53.640 if you sign something which means that there is a 0:01:54.840 --> 0:01:57.320 contrast in the midst of it, you can say I 0:01:57.440 --> 0:02:00.680 don't want to do it, and that's it. That's like it. 0:02:03.000 --> 0:02:06.560 The protection is not to be doing stuff you shouldn't 0:02:06.560 --> 0:02:08.359 be doing. What do that mean? So just me, the 0:02:08.440 --> 0:02:10.639 only thing a man could do is just not have sex. No, 0:02:10.880 --> 0:02:13.400 I'm not saying that. I'm saying that you should know. 0:02:14.120 --> 0:02:16.799 First of all, the amount of people who go out 0:02:16.840 --> 0:02:19.920 and report that there's been a rape or some type 0:02:19.919 --> 0:02:22.960 of assault is very very low. Let's just speak clear. 0:02:23.400 --> 0:02:25.480 So that's not a thing. It's not like every time 0:02:25.600 --> 0:02:27.720 or a lot of times that women have sex they 0:02:27.800 --> 0:02:30.680 say I was raped. Okay, so we're not gonna start 0:02:30.800 --> 0:02:34.040 that narrative. But but if you are having sex with 0:02:34.120 --> 0:02:37.079 a woman and at some point she decides that I 0:02:37.160 --> 0:02:39.440 don't want to do it anymore, I don't like it, 0:02:39.680 --> 0:02:45.240 you stink you're hurting me, um whatever, stop And there 0:02:45.280 --> 0:02:48.079 are many men. So there's some men. Let me not 0:02:48.200 --> 0:02:51.040 say many, because I don't know many, but I will 0:02:51.120 --> 0:02:54.880 I corrected myself. There are some men who will not 0:02:55.080 --> 0:02:58.040 stop because they feel like, hey, I'm gonna get off first, 0:02:58.200 --> 0:03:01.679 and then we can you know, you can go. What 0:03:02.040 --> 0:03:05.600 what I was saying in those situations is there's a 0:03:05.680 --> 0:03:08.600 heightened sense of tension at that point. Right, so after 0:03:08.720 --> 0:03:11.959 we've already gotten to a point and you've allowed a 0:03:12.040 --> 0:03:15.079 man to enter and you said, okay, we're good, and 0:03:15.200 --> 0:03:18.680 then mid stroke, when man feel like he about two 0:03:18.760 --> 0:03:21.480 more strokes from his completion and you like stop. He 0:03:21.600 --> 0:03:24.399 probably don't even hear you, he's so engaged. And that's 0:03:24.400 --> 0:03:26.720 what I'm trying to tell you. So there there is 0:03:26.760 --> 0:03:30.560 a very very but he has That's what I'm trying 0:03:30.560 --> 0:03:33.079 to tell you. And the reality is that most men 0:03:33.160 --> 0:03:36.680 are not hearing. But by the way, I don't think 0:03:36.720 --> 0:03:39.080 that that's most number one, but there are a lot 0:03:39.160 --> 0:03:41.000 of men that are not. Don't even they not even 0:03:41.560 --> 0:03:45.040 when you're talking to them. But see, but that that 0:03:45.600 --> 0:03:50.480 that actually lends itself to a larger problem. The problem 0:03:50.640 --> 0:03:54.240 is the idea that the woman is meat and not 0:03:54.400 --> 0:03:57.280 a human, because if you're dealing with the human and 0:03:57.360 --> 0:04:00.280 you're having sex, you are supposed to be into him 0:04:00.360 --> 0:04:03.000 with what is being said back and forth and the 0:04:03.160 --> 0:04:07.920 feeling of what is happening. Naturally, several women women who 0:04:08.000 --> 0:04:11.400 don't stop with the several ways, and I'm not saying that, 0:04:12.520 --> 0:04:14.560 I'm trying to explain to you that is a natural 0:04:14.640 --> 0:04:18.200 reaction through outside. No women that you're having said and 0:04:18.240 --> 0:04:19.600 you be like wait, wait, and they're like no, no, 0:04:19.960 --> 0:04:21.760 they get they get to a point and then they 0:04:21.800 --> 0:04:25.200 won't stop and hold you like what are you doing? No, no, 0:04:25.400 --> 0:04:29.680 don't move from there. No, no, wait, wait because I'm 0:04:29.720 --> 0:04:34.280 still trying to get off. It is very different from stop. 0:04:34.800 --> 0:04:38.240 And by the way, we as women have been trying 0:04:38.560 --> 0:04:42.800 many can I just finish my point? Because can I 0:04:42.960 --> 0:04:45.960 finish what? I don't understand what that means. You would 0:04:46.279 --> 0:04:49.400 actually let me finish my point, and then you would understand. 0:04:50.320 --> 0:04:54.279 There is a weight that is associated with don't move 0:04:54.560 --> 0:04:59.000 a different way, don't change whatever you're doing because I'm 0:04:59.080 --> 0:05:02.200 trying to get to a climax right there is that 0:05:02.880 --> 0:05:06.600 that's a different type of weight what we are now talking. 0:05:06.839 --> 0:05:09.800 Can I finish my point. And in order for you 0:05:10.000 --> 0:05:13.880 to understand, you actually have to be willing to listen 0:05:14.160 --> 0:05:17.360 than rather to speak, because you will never but you 0:05:17.480 --> 0:05:20.440 will not, but you will not. Let you don't know 0:05:20.760 --> 0:05:25.240 what I'm talking about. I'm not finished. I'm not I'm 0:05:25.279 --> 0:05:30.839 not finished. What we are attempting to do as women 0:05:31.240 --> 0:05:34.800 now is to have more conversations about what a real 0:05:35.000 --> 0:05:39.680 stop sounds like, because what has happened is that in 0:05:39.800 --> 0:05:42.880 the past we try to be nice about it or 0:05:43.160 --> 0:05:46.200 trying to you know, funago, and then you're right, it's 0:05:46.360 --> 0:05:48.920 mixed signals that's being sent in the middle of a 0:05:49.040 --> 0:05:52.680 situation that then when it's over, you serious and the 0:05:52.800 --> 0:05:55.920 person didn't recognize that you were as serious. So now 0:05:56.080 --> 0:05:59.880 we're having more conversations, especially with young girls. We're trying 0:06:00.040 --> 0:06:02.720 to have those conversations. I've been seeing it in circles 0:06:03.000 --> 0:06:06.200 about what stop really means. At what point when you 0:06:06.360 --> 0:06:09.360 when you want someone to stop, what do you actually 0:06:09.560 --> 0:06:13.080 say that means? Stop? Now, I don't want to do 0:06:13.200 --> 0:06:16.880 the same one not you know or waite or whatever, 0:06:17.000 --> 0:06:22.080 no stop, and the other person should hear stop, right, 0:06:22.360 --> 0:06:24.720 don't you think you think? Okay? So now that's what 0:06:24.800 --> 0:06:27.000 I'm trying to say if you hear when I'm to you, 0:06:27.080 --> 0:06:30.240 But you just made a hole about you talked about women. Right, 0:06:30.640 --> 0:06:33.000 my thing when you said to stop because you're in 0:06:33.040 --> 0:06:35.200 the right position. I was talking about a man, right. 0:06:35.720 --> 0:06:38.200 I was having a conversation about when a man is 0:06:38.240 --> 0:06:40.080 saying stop, and you're trying to say you in the 0:06:40.200 --> 0:06:42.280 right position, and I don't want you to stop, and 0:06:42.400 --> 0:06:46.080 he's saying to stop, right, you you equated things. I'm 0:06:46.120 --> 0:06:51.400 so glad that among our production crew, this young lady 0:06:51.520 --> 0:06:53.240 is looking like, what is he talking about? So what 0:06:53.360 --> 0:06:56.320 I was talking about I was told when when I 0:06:56.440 --> 0:06:59.599 gave you my instants, right, I said, there are times 0:06:59.680 --> 0:07:03.160 when men are having sex, right, and a man be 0:07:03.240 --> 0:07:05.760 like wait, wait, wait, they stopped because and a woman 0:07:05.920 --> 0:07:08.240 is like, no, no, no, don't stop. Right, And you 0:07:08.400 --> 0:07:12.120 said you're confused about Are you still confused about what 0:07:12.160 --> 0:07:15.120 I'm saying. I'm gonna listen, okay, no, because you look confused. 0:07:15.160 --> 0:07:17.640 I want to stop, but I don't. I don't want 0:07:17.680 --> 0:07:20.560 you to be confused. Might get to the point where 0:07:21.640 --> 0:07:24.600 so the point is when a man is saying stop, right, 0:07:25.080 --> 0:07:28.680 is their responsibility for the women to stop? Absolutely? Okay? 0:07:28.800 --> 0:07:31.000 So what I'm trying to tell you is that women 0:07:31.040 --> 0:07:34.160 don't stop. And what I am saying to you, they don't. 0:07:34.160 --> 0:07:35.520 So when I'm trying to tell you the same the 0:07:35.600 --> 0:07:37.640 same thing that you're saying, because I've been a victim 0:07:37.680 --> 0:07:40.760 of those things. I've been having sex or whoever and 0:07:41.000 --> 0:07:44.040 didn't got mad about probably something or or was in 0:07:44.120 --> 0:07:45.560 the middle of it, like now I don't feel like 0:07:45.600 --> 0:07:49.280 doing They'm like no, no, they're not stopping. And when 0:07:49.320 --> 0:07:50.880 they get to your point where they feel like they're 0:07:50.880 --> 0:07:53.720 about the climax, they're not stopping because you said stop, 0:07:53.880 --> 0:07:56.320 my son. I think that what you're what you're getting 0:07:56.480 --> 0:08:01.680 are not understanding is that it doesn't matter who's doing 0:08:01.720 --> 0:08:04.440 what you're saying, that there's a problem with the way 0:08:04.480 --> 0:08:08.240 in which people are engaging in sex that is creating 0:08:08.360 --> 0:08:11.760 a situation. I think we're problem are confused. I didn't 0:08:11.800 --> 0:08:14.680 mean it this and that. Now with somebody saying I don't, 0:08:14.920 --> 0:08:17.280 I meant I said out what what else is it? 0:08:17.400 --> 0:08:20.960 Because I have been a victim of I want you 0:08:21.080 --> 0:08:25.320 to get you and I'm not. And I don't want 0:08:25.320 --> 0:08:28.880 to disregard anything that you're saying because that is your 0:08:28.960 --> 0:08:32.240 personal situation. And if you were violated, then it needs 0:08:32.440 --> 0:08:34.199 it needs to be rectified, and you need to and 0:08:34.320 --> 0:08:36.440 somebody need to be held to come whatever the situation. 0:08:36.880 --> 0:08:40.280 I'm saying, there are situations right that the problem, what 0:08:40.640 --> 0:08:43.439 the problem is for me, is that accountability in sex 0:08:44.080 --> 0:08:47.840 seems to only fall on the man, right whenever there's 0:08:47.880 --> 0:08:51.040 a situation if too. I was listening to a conversation, 0:08:51.200 --> 0:08:53.839 if too, if we both getting drunk, me and you 0:08:53.960 --> 0:08:55.599 both drunk at the same time, not me and you, 0:08:55.720 --> 0:08:58.280 me and another one, we both drunk, we both take 0:08:58.320 --> 0:09:00.319 it the same thing. I'm gonna need read it. You 0:09:00.320 --> 0:09:04.960 would need read whose whose responsibility is to know who's 0:09:05.000 --> 0:09:07.200 too high to have the sex right or who's too 0:09:07.240 --> 0:09:10.240 drunk to have is that? Who is the response? But 0:09:10.320 --> 0:09:13.439 what happens is it always falls on the man all 0:09:13.520 --> 0:09:15.960 of these situations. If we're if we're both in the situation, 0:09:16.120 --> 0:09:18.640 we're both having sex and boom women, it gets heated 0:09:18.840 --> 0:09:21.319 and I'm hamped up and up, and you decide that 0:09:21.480 --> 0:09:24.319 that point that you don't want to do it no more, 0:09:24.440 --> 0:09:26.120 or you said no it's too much, and you put 0:09:26.160 --> 0:09:28.040 your and I and I go one too many and 0:09:28.080 --> 0:09:30.640 you're like, I didn't know, and I actually climate, because 0:09:30.720 --> 0:09:32.920 if if a man climax during it and like I 0:09:32.960 --> 0:09:35.480 didn't know, I didn't know, you wouldn't stop at that point, 0:09:35.559 --> 0:09:40.679 he's completely violated the situation, right, So who so so so? 0:09:40.880 --> 0:09:43.680 First of all, what I'm saying is that the scenario 0:09:43.840 --> 0:09:47.440 that you just laid out is generally not what's happening 0:09:47.480 --> 0:09:50.839 where people are claiming rape. What women are saying is 0:09:51.000 --> 0:09:54.480 I passed out, I was out. That's not really true 0:09:54.559 --> 0:10:00.760 that if what happened they say that they no, no, no, no, no. 0:10:00.920 --> 0:10:02.679 What I'm trying to say, no, no, no, that is 0:10:02.760 --> 0:10:05.840 not accurate in most of the situations out here. There 0:10:05.880 --> 0:10:08.800 are situations. So you're saying that people are reporting this 0:10:08.960 --> 0:10:12.160 is what you're saying, and I would like for our 0:10:12.360 --> 0:10:16.400 guests to write in about this. Are you saying that 0:10:16.559 --> 0:10:22.199 the majority I'm not saying, but you said, just the 0:10:22.280 --> 0:10:25.280 situations that I'm hearing now most of the that I hear, 0:10:25.400 --> 0:10:28.400 I'm not saying most of the situations together that most 0:10:28.440 --> 0:10:32.199 of the situations you hear where rape is being claimed, 0:10:32.720 --> 0:10:36.719 it is two people who were immigrated the same that 0:10:36.880 --> 0:10:41.079 even actually more than one sexual account. My question that 0:10:41.240 --> 0:10:44.480 the woman says I was up, we were having sex, 0:10:44.640 --> 0:10:47.360 everything is whatever, and I now just feel he raped me. No, 0:10:47.640 --> 0:10:49.319 that's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that 0:10:49.440 --> 0:10:53.800 there was a point throughout that sexual experience that everybody 0:10:53.920 --> 0:10:55.599 was involved. And I'm not saying that's not so. What 0:10:55.679 --> 0:10:58.480 I'm trying to say is at that point the woman 0:10:58.600 --> 0:11:02.520 dictates that at some point throughout me engaging with you, 0:11:03.000 --> 0:11:05.400 I lost I didn't know what happened. But that's But 0:11:05.480 --> 0:11:09.240 what I'm explaining to you is that what we I'm saying, 0:11:09.320 --> 0:11:12.000 maybe you're hearing something different. I think we hear a 0:11:12.080 --> 0:11:17.160 lot about the same situation these women are saying. Right, 0:11:17.840 --> 0:11:20.760 I was into whatever, we was hanging out or whatever. 0:11:21.160 --> 0:11:24.280 The next thing I know, I woke up and something 0:11:24.440 --> 0:11:26.719 happened that I don't feel I didn't consent to. I 0:11:26.760 --> 0:11:30.280 don't know about those situations. Those situations, those situations I'm 0:11:30.320 --> 0:11:33.000 not aware I'm aware of because there was there was 0:11:33.520 --> 0:11:36.080 for play, there was all of these things that everybody. 0:11:37.080 --> 0:11:40.480 What I'm saying is that the rules of engagement definitely 0:11:40.559 --> 0:11:44.240 are being more defined. Right, But at the end of 0:11:44.360 --> 0:11:48.439 the day, I think that it is important to to 0:11:48.760 --> 0:11:52.560 to say or to understand that for the most part, 0:11:53.080 --> 0:11:56.600 what we are hearing is women saying it was cool, 0:11:56.840 --> 0:12:01.120 we was good, whatever, and then I don't know what happened. 0:12:01.520 --> 0:12:04.079 Something else happened. And all that I'm telling you is 0:12:04.120 --> 0:12:06.599 what I try to talk to my son about and 0:12:06.720 --> 0:12:09.600 what hopefully all of us are saying. If you are 0:12:09.760 --> 0:12:12.680 having sex with a woman and all of a sudden 0:12:13.160 --> 0:12:17.240 she is not functioning at a regular but not what 0:12:17.320 --> 0:12:19.520 I'm trying to explain to you, is you giving somebody 0:12:19.640 --> 0:12:22.680 responsibility that might not be functioned at the regular same time, 0:12:23.040 --> 0:12:25.360 we both not function what I'm telling you, so we 0:12:25.480 --> 0:12:29.120 both engaged in the same we both tell me you 0:12:29.240 --> 0:12:32.040 don't know if you're you don't know, I'm asking you 0:12:32.120 --> 0:12:37.280 a question. Well, yeah, I think I know. Yeah, I 0:12:37.400 --> 0:12:39.839 think I know. If I'm having sex with a man 0:12:39.960 --> 0:12:43.480 and he does this and he's not responded in the 0:12:43.600 --> 0:12:45.839 same way that he was, I think I know that. 0:12:46.200 --> 0:12:49.040 I think I know that if he's not touching and 0:12:49.240 --> 0:12:53.360 moving and saying something, that something is wrong. Yeah. So 0:12:54.800 --> 0:12:57.240 if a woman, if you are having sex with a 0:12:57.360 --> 0:13:02.080 womansation will go around, the just goes out and she's 0:13:02.160 --> 0:13:05.400 not doing anything anymore. Do you not think that at 0:13:05.480 --> 0:13:08.200 that point you're supposed to be like something is wrong. Okay, 0:13:08.240 --> 0:13:10.440 so think about this or you're just supposed to keep happing. 0:13:10.440 --> 0:13:12.760 That's what I'm saying. That's not even not at all. 0:13:12.960 --> 0:13:14.240 So what I'm trying to say, not at all, I 0:13:14.280 --> 0:13:17.160 wouldn't right, not of a conscious mind. But what I'm 0:13:17.200 --> 0:13:19.360 trying to say in the minute that she's no longer conscious, right, 0:13:19.679 --> 0:13:22.280 she don't know what happened after she lost conscious That's 0:13:22.280 --> 0:13:25.240 why you're supposed to say so once she stopped, right, 0:13:25.760 --> 0:13:28.400 if she made a conscious decision that whatever she did 0:13:28.480 --> 0:13:30.959 after she was sleep was wrong to her, and she 0:13:31.000 --> 0:13:34.160 don't even know what happened. We both was engaging. You 0:13:34.360 --> 0:13:38.720 fell asleep, you lost asleep when you lost consciousness, Okay, 0:13:38.800 --> 0:13:42.079 losing conscious whatever it is if you lose consciousness, was 0:13:42.160 --> 0:13:45.400 in that act. And you made a consciousnsion that something 0:13:45.520 --> 0:13:48.079 happened after you lost consciousness that you don't even know about. 0:13:48.360 --> 0:13:51.520 And I did it wrong. But that's but and see 0:13:51.679 --> 0:13:54.839 that is why again and we gotta go to our 0:13:55.320 --> 0:14:01.360 regular topic, that the idea of people heaven getting drunk 0:14:01.520 --> 0:14:04.400 or using drugs and having sex. If I was a man, 0:14:04.880 --> 0:14:08.000 I would understand just like you tell me. You gotta 0:14:08.080 --> 0:14:16.080 let me just ready, just like you told me before, 0:14:16.200 --> 0:14:18.920 and I have argued you down about this point, but 0:14:19.080 --> 0:14:21.920 I get it to a certain extent, although I still 0:14:22.000 --> 0:14:26.040 don't agree, but I understand. Do not wear your mini 0:14:26.120 --> 0:14:30.520 skirt down the alley when you know those men that 0:14:30.640 --> 0:14:33.960 are over there. Do stay raped women over there before 0:14:34.280 --> 0:14:37.080 it's a bunch of men over there. You know the situation. 0:14:37.440 --> 0:14:39.640 So if you wear your miniskirt and you go down 0:14:39.720 --> 0:14:42.280 in that alley, yes you have said, of course they 0:14:42.360 --> 0:14:45.600 shouldn't touch you. But if you you as a parent, 0:14:45.920 --> 0:14:49.680 you want to inform a woman that something really bad 0:14:49.800 --> 0:14:51.960 could happen to you if you go down in that 0:14:52.120 --> 0:14:55.560 alley way doing certain things. The same thing for our men. 0:14:56.000 --> 0:14:58.600 We could sit here and go back and forth all 0:14:58.800 --> 0:15:01.440 day about up, down, right or wrong. We need to 0:15:01.520 --> 0:15:04.760 be telling young men you have a responsibility. As a 0:15:04.880 --> 0:15:07.560 man who most of the time is stronger, you have 0:15:07.680 --> 0:15:10.840 a certain level of aggression that is different that you. 0:15:11.120 --> 0:15:14.320 If you are going to into a sexual situation with 0:15:14.400 --> 0:15:17.560 another young woman, you need to not be too high 0:15:17.960 --> 0:15:20.200 where she could say she didn't know or this, and 0:15:20.360 --> 0:15:23.080 that you don't need to It's not that serious to 0:15:23.160 --> 0:15:25.200 get it off. So what I'm trying to so I'm 0:15:25.240 --> 0:15:27.080 saying that just like you trying to tell I'm trying 0:15:27.080 --> 0:15:29.560 to be trying to tell you, you're talking about somebody 0:15:30.200 --> 0:15:32.360 versus a crime and sexual predaor and you don't think 0:15:34.000 --> 0:15:35.640 what I'm trying You tell me and me telling you 0:15:35.720 --> 0:15:38.440 to walk down to alley, we're to consent an adults. 0:15:38.480 --> 0:15:40.960 None of us is a criminal. We both like each other. 0:15:41.240 --> 0:15:43.120 We both go to the But so listen to what 0:15:43.200 --> 0:15:45.880 I'm saying. We both go to a bar, were both 0:15:45.960 --> 0:15:47.920 having the same amount of drinks. You buy a drink, 0:15:48.000 --> 0:15:51.440 I buy a drink. That's what we're talking. So let's go. 0:15:54.000 --> 0:15:57.400 We need a whole show. The whole show has to 0:15:57.440 --> 0:16:05.440 be has to be shared with no. I think accountability 0:16:05.520 --> 0:16:09.040 absolutely has to be shared. But just like we as 0:16:09.120 --> 0:16:12.560 women have been taught that we have a heavier responsibility 0:16:12.720 --> 0:16:16.200 in multiple areas. Women have been taught all our lives 0:16:16.600 --> 0:16:20.160 that we have a responsibility in a number of areas 0:16:20.400 --> 0:16:23.240 to be more conscious of how we look, what we do, 0:16:23.680 --> 0:16:26.720 how we come on to a man in certain situations 0:16:26.920 --> 0:16:29.800 because we give the wrong impression. We've been taught that, 0:16:30.680 --> 0:16:37.240 and so I'm saying that, no, it's not eliminated be 0:16:37.360 --> 0:16:41.000 in certain situations. But I think also we were talking 0:16:41.080 --> 0:16:43.720 about a certain thing, and what we have to stop 0:16:43.800 --> 0:16:46.800 doing is every time we get into a conversation on 0:16:46.920 --> 0:16:49.920 what our brothers can do better, even if there's something 0:16:50.000 --> 0:16:58.640 that women can do better. Also just and this was 0:16:58.720 --> 0:17:00.920 about both of us, it were and just about just 0:17:01.720 --> 0:17:03.400 let's let's go to the topic because this is a 0:17:03.440 --> 0:17:05.480 whole another show. We could do this as a show 0:17:05.600 --> 0:17:07.879 because it's a debate, and I think it's a healthy debate. 0:17:07.880 --> 0:17:09.440 But once again, I do want to say this. I 0:17:09.520 --> 0:17:11.320 want to state this for the record. I do not 0:17:11.480 --> 0:17:15.240 condone or believe that any man should do anything that 0:17:15.320 --> 0:17:17.960 a woman is not willing to do. Nothing at all. 0:17:18.040 --> 0:17:21.240 There's no situation where willing a woman has stopped, she 0:17:21.320 --> 0:17:23.320 doesn't want to do something that a man should move 0:17:23.400 --> 0:17:26.400 further beyond that point, I do not believe that at all. 0:17:27.880 --> 0:17:29.960 Let's get that clear. I think I want that to 0:17:30.040 --> 0:17:33.479 be clarity. You have a problem with rape culture in general, 0:17:33.960 --> 0:17:36.200 and there's certain things that we've been taught. I think 0:17:36.280 --> 0:17:39.960 sex sex culture has now turned into it. No it's not, 0:17:40.280 --> 0:17:44.320 it has not, no, no, no, rape culture. Rape culture 0:17:44.480 --> 0:17:50.480 was clearly defined. There's no clear definition. Are you serious? 0:17:50.760 --> 0:17:53.200 Do you know that women have been being raped and 0:17:53.359 --> 0:17:57.560 people didn't believe in understand it, believe it. People are 0:17:57.640 --> 0:18:00.919 beginning to actually people didn't believe what they said happen. 0:18:01.680 --> 0:18:05.639 That's what they're saying before you and get away with it. 0:18:05.760 --> 0:18:10.760 There was no never legal standard you can keep. There 0:18:10.840 --> 0:18:15.159 was not. If it needs to be, there needs to be, 0:18:15.400 --> 0:18:18.480 and if we still have not clearly defined what rape 0:18:18.560 --> 0:18:22.920 looks like, especially women are generally on the wrong side 0:18:22.960 --> 0:18:25.000 of it. But at the same time, I do agree 0:18:25.240 --> 0:18:27.720 that men are raped as well and just and and 0:18:27.840 --> 0:18:30.760 because of the way that culture and society has been 0:18:30.800 --> 0:18:33.320 set up, not enough of it as being discussed. I'm 0:18:33.359 --> 0:18:36.840 finished talking to you anyway about because we always have 0:18:37.000 --> 0:18:40.000 these conversations. This wouldn't be the first time. I mean, 0:18:40.080 --> 0:18:44.159 I hear what you're saying at all. We know that. 0:18:44.280 --> 0:18:46.840 But I have to speak from man's perspective because this 0:18:47.000 --> 0:18:49.000 is a situation. Maybe you should think from a woman's 0:18:49.040 --> 0:18:51.320 perspective and we'll have less issues. Well maybe you should think, 0:18:52.720 --> 0:18:56.160 I do. I just think when there is a situation 0:18:56.720 --> 0:19:00.000 that requires two people, then there has to be jointed 0:19:00.040 --> 0:19:04.679 responsible and I think that's true, as we've discussed many times. 0:19:05.040 --> 0:19:09.680 Why I still don't agree, but the thought of the 0:19:09.840 --> 0:19:16.440 day changes the topic. I'm trying to figure out why 0:19:16.720 --> 0:19:21.640 we are still living in a society, like why are 0:19:22.000 --> 0:19:29.360 corporations and other people still getting it wrong when addressing racism, 0:19:30.040 --> 0:19:35.080 violence against black people, violence against black women, the disrespect 0:19:35.240 --> 0:19:39.480 of our communities, and the complete like the unmitigated gal 0:19:39.720 --> 0:19:42.280 is that what they say of white women in their 0:19:42.359 --> 0:19:46.280 dangerous tears? Well, you know and that and I in 0:19:46.400 --> 0:19:50.840 my book State of Emergency, No, I know, there's a 0:19:50.880 --> 0:19:54.600 movie a movie, but there's a lot of focus on 0:19:54.680 --> 0:19:58.200 it because we're bringing attention to Karenism and I talk 0:19:58.240 --> 0:20:01.440 about it in a State of Emergency. But Karenism is 0:20:01.560 --> 0:20:05.960 super dangerous, man, It's super dangerous, gets people killed. And 0:20:06.600 --> 0:20:09.680 everyone saw in the last few days, we've been watching 0:20:09.800 --> 0:20:15.560 this video erupt um totally going viral of a black 0:20:15.680 --> 0:20:20.159 woman at a Victoria's Secrets in New Jersey. Um the 0:20:20.359 --> 0:20:24.840 video comes on, you see a white woman walk up 0:20:24.920 --> 0:20:28.399 to her and basically try to hit her or hit 0:20:28.480 --> 0:20:31.200 the front. I heard like some sound, you know that 0:20:31.600 --> 0:20:34.920 she was definitely charging her. And what goes on after 0:20:35.080 --> 0:20:37.359 that the scream and the yelling, the crying, the falling 0:20:37.400 --> 0:20:41.200 out and then chasing this black woman around the store. 0:20:41.680 --> 0:20:45.399 And what you hear in the video is the black 0:20:45.520 --> 0:20:51.200 woman like chuckling out of disbelief. I can't believe this, 0:20:51.920 --> 0:20:57.520 what what is happening here? But you watch the store? 0:20:58.359 --> 0:21:01.360 Uh and and I and I do think, my son, 0:21:01.680 --> 0:21:06.959 we're living in such a sick society. People have been 0:21:07.040 --> 0:21:13.320 indoctrinated two violence, especially violence against black folks, so much 0:21:14.080 --> 0:21:20.439 that we're actually watching the cashier still doing business, staff 0:21:20.520 --> 0:21:23.520 still working in the store, people still trying to make 0:21:23.600 --> 0:21:28.120 their purchase, even though this lady, the white woman. Let's 0:21:28.160 --> 0:21:30.400 just say you care about the white woman because she's 0:21:30.400 --> 0:21:32.399 the way she's screaming and crying and laying down on 0:21:32.480 --> 0:21:34.960 the ground. One might want to try to figure out 0:21:35.160 --> 0:21:37.720 are you okay? Like what's wrong with you? And it 0:21:37.800 --> 0:21:40.280 doesn't take long for you to realize that she's doing 0:21:40.359 --> 0:21:44.560 all of this because she has harmed the black woman 0:21:45.000 --> 0:21:47.840 and she's now having a tantrum and falling out so 0:21:48.119 --> 0:21:53.160 that she can be protected from abusive and dangerous behavior. 0:21:53.600 --> 0:21:55.840 You can figure that out quickly. But I'm just saying, 0:21:55.960 --> 0:21:57.640 let's just say, you see the black women, you don't 0:21:57.680 --> 0:21:59.800 care what she's doing. You see a white woman down 0:21:59.840 --> 0:22:03.000 on the ground. How are you still making a purchase 0:22:03.240 --> 0:22:05.280 and not stopping to say what the hell is going 0:22:05.320 --> 0:22:07.639 on here? But instead they stop for two seconds to 0:22:07.680 --> 0:22:09.679 tell the black woman, why don't you get away from her? 0:22:10.119 --> 0:22:13.760 Leave her alone? Although this white woman has attacked her first. 0:22:14.400 --> 0:22:16.960 You know what, all of that is wrong, the black 0:22:17.080 --> 0:22:21.560 the white woman's behavior, the store continuing to do business, 0:22:22.040 --> 0:22:25.359 the behave the white woman who I hope somebody finds 0:22:25.400 --> 0:22:28.160 her name, who stands there and tells a black woman 0:22:28.640 --> 0:22:31.920 to leave her alone, as if it's the black woman's fault, 0:22:32.040 --> 0:22:35.159 who has no sensitivity or understand it, even try to 0:22:35.280 --> 0:22:38.720 understand anything that's happening. Okay, all those things are wrong, 0:22:39.160 --> 0:22:42.600 But what is most important are two things? Or what 0:22:43.080 --> 0:22:46.280 the two things that are most important are this one? 0:22:47.359 --> 0:22:51.040 The police or the security the mall security. They do 0:22:51.280 --> 0:22:57.440 nothing except escort the black woman away, ask her to leave. 0:22:58.080 --> 0:23:01.400 They do nothing with this white lady, looking at her behavior, 0:23:01.480 --> 0:23:05.800 seeing what she's doing. I wonder what the black supervisor 0:23:06.119 --> 0:23:10.000 of the Victoria's Secret store is even saying and reporting 0:23:10.040 --> 0:23:13.760 to the police because she is patiently dealing with and 0:23:13.840 --> 0:23:17.120 addressing this white woman. And I see many things there. 0:23:17.480 --> 0:23:21.240 I see number one that you're very patient with her. 0:23:21.520 --> 0:23:23.640 I wonder if it was a black woman doing all 0:23:23.680 --> 0:23:25.560 of that, would you be asked patient? I see that, 0:23:25.640 --> 0:23:28.160 and I have to ask the question because sometimes our 0:23:28.240 --> 0:23:33.399 own people can be the biggest obstacle to justice. So 0:23:33.520 --> 0:23:39.400 I I see that. But even if she feels harmed, 0:23:39.520 --> 0:23:47.000 hurt or whatever, feels um saddened, frustrated by what she 0:23:47.160 --> 0:23:53.000 sees happening there, she also knows that she cannot do 0:23:53.240 --> 0:23:56.960 but so much to this white woman. So even even 0:23:57.200 --> 0:23:59.240 even even if she's like not like, even if she 0:23:59.320 --> 0:24:01.280 said back to me, no, I'm I'm you know, I'm 0:24:01.320 --> 0:24:03.560 not the one who doesn't want to see justice for 0:24:03.720 --> 0:24:05.840 this black woman. Right, And we believe her and we 0:24:06.000 --> 0:24:12.240 understand that she knows that the trauma that she's also 0:24:12.400 --> 0:24:15.000 experiencing trauma in that moment. She's trying to do her job, 0:24:15.080 --> 0:24:18.919 and yet she has to stop to deal with an idiot, Okay, 0:24:19.000 --> 0:24:22.840 a racist idiot by the way. So so that's trauma. 0:24:22.920 --> 0:24:26.160 Is so much trauma going on. So the security they 0:24:26.240 --> 0:24:31.399 do nothing except except cause more inflict more abuse and 0:24:31.520 --> 0:24:34.560 harm to this black woman. But now the next thing 0:24:34.720 --> 0:24:37.800 is Victoria's secret puts out a statement. Now we're gonna 0:24:37.840 --> 0:24:40.399 put the statement up so people can read it for themselves. 0:24:41.119 --> 0:24:45.399 But what I found to be interesting is that the 0:24:45.600 --> 0:24:51.199 statement very light. You know, we're we're we're investigating diversity 0:24:51.280 --> 0:24:54.760 and inclusion, all of this bullshit that is this the 0:24:54.880 --> 0:24:59.560 cookie cutter messages, the diversity and equity and this and 0:24:59.640 --> 0:25:04.679 that they're it's bulls. It's bullshit that that that they 0:25:04.880 --> 0:25:09.480 they it's called cookie cutter responses that pr agencies give you. 0:25:09.680 --> 0:25:13.080 So everybody deals with the situation the same way, unless 0:25:13.520 --> 0:25:16.600 you are a corporation that has somebody in there, particularly 0:25:16.760 --> 0:25:19.280 a black person who's saying that ain't gonna work. We 0:25:19.320 --> 0:25:22.480 gotta put a little bit more muscle into our messaging. 0:25:22.960 --> 0:25:25.720 That's that's what we see. We know it's already, but 0:25:25.880 --> 0:25:32.879 they used the word altercation between two people. There was 0:25:33.000 --> 0:25:35.200 one person that was attacked. I'm trying to where is 0:25:35.240 --> 0:25:39.399 the altercation. It's never an altercation is sometimes? I mean, 0:25:40.680 --> 0:25:42.480 well it's not never. I wouldn't say never. I'm saying 0:25:42.520 --> 0:25:45.840 but usually, you know, I've been watching these current videos lately, 0:25:46.080 --> 0:25:49.840 the other dad woman grabbing somebody's package, and then Mason 0:25:49.840 --> 0:25:51.240 the man because he tried to get a package and 0:25:51.320 --> 0:25:57.560 fell and said you kill me. So it's just like 0:25:57.880 --> 0:26:00.840 when you see these things, it's just it's it's the 0:26:01.000 --> 0:26:03.720 weirdest thing that you could ever see. It's like it is, 0:26:04.040 --> 0:26:06.480 it is mind boggling. You know that black people have 0:26:06.600 --> 0:26:10.359 to everyday deal with some level the white supremacy and 0:26:10.520 --> 0:26:15.119 racism that we have to deal with microaggressions, full aggressions. 0:26:15.200 --> 0:26:18.320 We have to deal and we have to keep control. 0:26:18.560 --> 0:26:21.399 We have to stay composed because when she hit the 0:26:21.440 --> 0:26:28.280 woman or charged that hall start, oh my god, she 0:26:28.440 --> 0:26:31.680 didn't she And you know, she's a better person than 0:26:31.760 --> 0:26:33.600 most of us, you know, because most of us are 0:26:33.600 --> 0:26:35.680 not gonna deal with that. But the reality situation is, 0:26:36.240 --> 0:26:40.920 you know, the Karenism and the emboldness of Karenism is 0:26:40.960 --> 0:26:45.360 at all time high. And it's like, because what's his name, 0:26:45.400 --> 0:26:50.080 Brian m hmm, what's the one's name who told who 0:26:50.160 --> 0:26:53.680 basically tried to like chastize Kevin Hart when he said 0:26:53.720 --> 0:26:57.160 that white supremacy is at all time high? Bryan, Uh, 0:26:57.440 --> 0:27:00.919 y'all know who I'm talking about him? Bryant's the one 0:27:01.119 --> 0:27:04.600 I think he'd be on HBO. H. Now, I put 0:27:04.640 --> 0:27:06.160 it in your mind, you're gonna be trying to get 0:27:06.200 --> 0:27:07.840 best to figure it out. They're gonna look it up, 0:27:07.880 --> 0:27:10.480 but go ahead. It's at all time it is and 0:27:10.600 --> 0:27:13.480 it's and it's dangerous and you know, we don't need it. 0:27:14.200 --> 0:27:17.320 We don't need we just don't need it. We hate 0:27:17.359 --> 0:27:22.920 it here, right, sometimes stop the ship. It's just too much. 0:27:23.119 --> 0:27:29.240 It's like it's like y'all for real, like you and 0:27:29.640 --> 0:27:34.560 nobody's gonna protect you. The damn, the damn, the damn. 0:27:35.960 --> 0:27:38.239 The best of corporation could do is try to come 0:27:38.280 --> 0:27:40.080 out with some ship and put it on their Twitter 0:27:40.119 --> 0:27:42.680 and hope that nobody sees it. And guess what the 0:27:42.760 --> 0:27:45.000 shade wom when it posted it after me because I 0:27:45.160 --> 0:27:47.320 posted it and they saw that I posted it, and 0:27:47.359 --> 0:27:49.200 then they rent to Twitter and got it because you know, 0:27:49.280 --> 0:27:51.280 if they had seen it before I posted it, they 0:27:51.320 --> 0:27:53.240 would have put it on their page. So, you know, 0:27:53.400 --> 0:27:55.640 shout out to the Shade room. That's all right, it's right. 0:27:56.080 --> 0:28:02.879 But but but I was the one who said, hey, 0:28:03.920 --> 0:28:08.800 did Victoria's secrets say anything? Hello? Anybody see the ship 0:28:09.000 --> 0:28:12.320 that happened? And then they said, and people started telling 0:28:12.359 --> 0:28:15.480 me in my page all they said something. Go on Twitter. 0:28:15.600 --> 0:28:20.120 You know on Instagram they are quick. They said, oh, 0:28:20.840 --> 0:28:22.920 gover there on Twitter and see the bullshit they put 0:28:22.960 --> 0:28:24.920 on the page. And I went over there and read 0:28:24.960 --> 0:28:27.960 and and said to myself, we still have so much 0:28:28.080 --> 0:28:31.240 further to travel. Well at least were traveling, but were traveling. 0:28:31.320 --> 0:28:33.920 We're gonna fight too. And now listen, all I know 0:28:34.280 --> 0:28:38.120 is I just need Rihanna to put a little bit 0:28:38.240 --> 0:28:40.920 more pattern on the bottom of the bra so I 0:28:41.000 --> 0:28:43.920 could get me a good push up and Hunt fenty 0:28:44.040 --> 0:28:47.239 will be my thing, because you know, for us, by us. 0:28:48.800 --> 0:28:51.960 And by the way, his name is Bill Mark, Bill Mar's. 0:28:54.200 --> 0:28:57.560 First of all, if Kevin Hard says white supremacy is 0:28:57.600 --> 0:29:02.120 at all, are you talking? Mind your business? You ain't 0:29:02.160 --> 0:29:09.680 gonnah to do with you, Bill build until white don't 0:29:09.720 --> 0:29:12.720 tell black people about white people doing us. You just 0:29:12.800 --> 0:29:17.080 sit there and listen. We all is yeah, like maybe 0:29:17.160 --> 0:29:29.120 men should just listen to I can say anything. Let's 0:29:29.120 --> 0:29:33.000 time go to our guests, Chico human who is going 0:29:33.040 --> 0:29:35.000 to be with us, UM you know for the next 0:29:35.280 --> 0:29:38.120 and we try, y'all. We said for six for a 0:29:38.320 --> 0:29:42.719 series of six episodes, we're going to focus very heavily 0:29:42.800 --> 0:29:47.920 on gun violence. The issue of gun violence, intervention prevention 0:29:48.080 --> 0:29:52.200 awareness is really important to us. UM not just UM 0:29:52.440 --> 0:29:55.760 here at street politicians, but also in our personal lives, 0:29:56.200 --> 0:30:01.640 based upon our experiences, based upon UM. You know, our 0:30:01.840 --> 0:30:05.040 work and our passion and our focus in terms of 0:30:05.120 --> 0:30:09.840 what our organization Until Freedom does. And so for six 0:30:09.920 --> 0:30:14.640 weeks or for six episodes, rather we're focusing our attention 0:30:14.880 --> 0:30:19.120 on all the different areas of what it looks like 0:30:19.320 --> 0:30:24.160 to address gun violence UM in our communities. There's obviously 0:30:24.440 --> 0:30:28.080 an uptick in violence. There has been a spike across 0:30:28.160 --> 0:30:32.880 the nation. We believe that big part of what we're 0:30:32.920 --> 0:30:36.080 seeing has a lot to do with the pandemic and 0:30:36.200 --> 0:30:41.440 how the pandemic has exposed multiple epidemics within our community, 0:30:41.600 --> 0:30:45.480 whether that be housing UH, poor health care UM. And 0:30:45.560 --> 0:30:48.600 when I say housing, I'm talking about the lack of housing. 0:30:48.720 --> 0:30:52.200 A lot of people found out during this pandemic that 0:30:52.640 --> 0:30:55.800 living UM in a home on top of other people 0:30:55.880 --> 0:30:59.400 that you're not used to seeing very often was problematic. 0:30:59.520 --> 0:31:01.880 People got put out of their homes because there was 0:31:01.960 --> 0:31:04.720 no real space for them. UM. You have a lot 0:31:04.840 --> 0:31:09.360 of issues in terms of unstable housing that is very 0:31:09.480 --> 0:31:12.720 serious and it's not being talked about enough. Just doing 0:31:12.880 --> 0:31:16.600 a moratorium or rent payments is not enough to address 0:31:16.640 --> 0:31:18.760 the fact that six people are living in a one 0:31:18.880 --> 0:31:23.440 bedroom home. Um, and and and also dealing with other 0:31:23.560 --> 0:31:26.600 issues in terms of you know, it just just in 0:31:26.840 --> 0:31:30.880 some unfortunately one the conversation we were just having about 0:31:30.960 --> 0:31:34.760 sexual abuse and things like that, both men, boys, girls, 0:31:34.880 --> 0:31:38.240 men and women, UM are dealing with that in their 0:31:38.280 --> 0:31:41.680 homes and don't necessarily want to be there. Um. You 0:31:41.840 --> 0:31:46.120 have food deserts, people not being able to eat properly. 0:31:46.600 --> 0:31:51.760 You have obviously education trauma the educational system. Over this 0:31:52.040 --> 0:31:56.040 recent uh pandemic time period, in the last two years, 0:31:56.360 --> 0:32:00.640 we have learned how poor our education system really really is. 0:32:00.800 --> 0:32:03.320 Many of us already knew, but we certainly have seen 0:32:03.400 --> 0:32:06.640 it play out in a very very real way. And 0:32:06.720 --> 0:32:10.680 then of course, um, you know, there's so many other 0:32:10.880 --> 0:32:14.480 issues in terms of the health care system and how 0:32:14.720 --> 0:32:18.400 we saw with the pandemic, people who have been trying 0:32:18.440 --> 0:32:21.719 to deal with health issues for so long. I mean 0:32:21.840 --> 0:32:25.400 you you're talking about pre existing conditions. The black community, 0:32:25.840 --> 0:32:29.360 we experience that at the highest rates, and so so 0:32:29.520 --> 0:32:33.480 many things have been compounded that have created an environment, 0:32:33.960 --> 0:32:37.000 um that we are now seeing the violence in our 0:32:37.080 --> 0:32:41.520 community spike. People dealing with their frustrations, the poverty, the 0:32:41.680 --> 0:32:44.440 lack of resources, and there are a lot of folks 0:32:44.480 --> 0:32:46.680 who are doing great work to address that. I don't 0:32:46.680 --> 0:32:48.880 know if you want to jump in first before we 0:32:49.000 --> 0:32:51.440 introduce our our guests. No, I just want to you 0:32:51.480 --> 0:32:54.080 know pretty much. Um, remember what you were saying. You know, 0:32:54.120 --> 0:32:57.840 we're dealing with so many different layers of trauma that 0:32:57.960 --> 0:33:01.400 are contributing to this, you know, this spike and gun violence. 0:33:01.440 --> 0:33:03.920 You know, just in the Bronx the other day, a 0:33:04.080 --> 0:33:07.240 thirteen year old, sixteen year in the nineteen year all 0:33:07.360 --> 0:33:09.760 in the same area were gunned down. You know, so 0:33:10.200 --> 0:33:12.920 they killed. They were all killed, you know, and it's 0:33:12.960 --> 0:33:15.360 like so when you sit there and you realize that 0:33:16.360 --> 0:33:20.360 that we're taking lives and losing lives at this age, 0:33:20.800 --> 0:33:23.200 you know, we all it's pretty much everybody's failing. The 0:33:23.280 --> 0:33:26.520 system is failing, the community is failing. You know, when 0:33:26.960 --> 0:33:30.880 when violence and shooting becomes recreation because there's nothing else, 0:33:31.120 --> 0:33:35.280 when the guns replacing basketballs and footballs in baseballs, then 0:33:35.360 --> 0:33:38.800 we're actually losing. So you know, this is my new initiative. 0:33:38.880 --> 0:33:40.560 You know, I don't know if ye see it. It's 0:33:40.600 --> 0:33:44.160 called boycott black murder, you know, at any cost, no 0:33:44.280 --> 0:33:47.240 matter who's commandative, it's the police, is if it's people 0:33:47.280 --> 0:33:49.520 in our community. You know, we need to be boycotting 0:33:49.560 --> 0:33:52.400 black murder. So you know, that's the initiative. And now 0:33:52.480 --> 0:33:55.520 we're gonna have a conversation with another brother friend of ours. 0:33:56.160 --> 0:33:58.840 You know, we got so many friends, man, this show 0:33:59.000 --> 0:34:00.840 is just for the friends, man, you know, and um, 0:34:00.960 --> 0:34:03.240 this is somebody that I respect. The work that he's done. 0:34:03.760 --> 0:34:06.400 You know, the road he's traveled to actually do this work. 0:34:06.520 --> 0:34:09.760 You know, it's similar to minds being from the streets, 0:34:09.840 --> 0:34:11.920 and he's from the streets of some of the roughest 0:34:11.920 --> 0:34:16.000 streets in this country, from Chicago and you know, being 0:34:16.080 --> 0:34:20.239 formally incarcerated, coming home to get a PhD. To be 0:34:20.480 --> 0:34:24.080 one of those who actually started to stop the violence 0:34:24.120 --> 0:34:26.919 in the communities and intersect and be one of those 0:34:27.000 --> 0:34:29.840 positive role models that you know, what we call credible 0:34:29.880 --> 0:34:32.759 messages in our community. The brothers that we see and 0:34:32.840 --> 0:34:34.560 we know that they've been through the same thing, so 0:34:34.680 --> 0:34:37.400 therefore they have a level of credibility and able to 0:34:37.440 --> 0:34:39.840 connect with the communities. This is one of our brothers 0:34:40.360 --> 0:34:43.360 and one of the most powerful brothers in this country 0:34:43.560 --> 0:34:50.600 right now. Doctor Chico Tillman Hey, first of all I 0:34:50.680 --> 0:34:53.719 want to say, I'm humble, and it's a pleasure to 0:34:54.320 --> 0:34:58.520 being be a part of this program because I respect 0:34:58.880 --> 0:35:02.319 and appreciate the work you do day in and day 0:35:02.360 --> 0:35:05.800 out and some of the challenges that come with the work. 0:35:05.960 --> 0:35:09.480 So it's really an honor just to be having this 0:35:09.640 --> 0:35:13.000 dialogue on this platform with you. And I want to 0:35:13.040 --> 0:35:16.560 say publicly how much I appreciate the work you do 0:35:17.160 --> 0:35:20.759 and how I see firsthand all the sacrifices you make 0:35:20.840 --> 0:35:23.800 for our people to make this place, this country, a 0:35:23.880 --> 0:35:27.520 better place to live in for Indigenous people. Yeah, thank 0:35:27.560 --> 0:35:30.000 you so much, Chico. We appreciate that you know, you 0:35:30.080 --> 0:35:32.920 are certainly our brother. Um. You know, I want to 0:35:32.960 --> 0:35:36.480 make sure that folks understand who we're talking to in 0:35:36.600 --> 0:35:41.000 this series where we're focusing on gun violence. Each show 0:35:41.560 --> 0:35:45.279 has different things. Sometimes we're talking to victims so we 0:35:45.360 --> 0:35:48.080 can learn more about their experiences and how they have 0:35:48.280 --> 0:35:52.120 turned their pain into purpose. On our last show, we 0:35:52.239 --> 0:35:54.799 talked with a young sister by the name of patients Mary, 0:35:55.120 --> 0:35:59.320 who was shot in the Pulst nightclub in Florida. She 0:35:59.520 --> 0:36:01.680 had been she was living out of town and and 0:36:01.880 --> 0:36:05.760 had been in Florida on vacation and she was shot 0:36:05.880 --> 0:36:08.480 along with her sister in law, and her sister in 0:36:08.560 --> 0:36:11.600 law didn't make it patients with shot a few times 0:36:11.640 --> 0:36:14.800 in her legs. Um, but she now is over the 0:36:15.200 --> 0:36:18.200 gun violence. She's the outreach director for the Gun Violence 0:36:18.239 --> 0:36:21.720 Survivor's Foundations, and she talks so much to go about 0:36:21.800 --> 0:36:26.080 how there is really not enough resources for actual survivors. 0:36:26.400 --> 0:36:29.839 There's work being done to address those people who might 0:36:29.920 --> 0:36:33.440 be shooters. Of course, there's work being done to try 0:36:33.480 --> 0:36:36.319 to curb violence, but there's not enough that is out 0:36:36.400 --> 0:36:39.799 there to help people who have actually been impacted by 0:36:39.880 --> 0:36:42.759 gun violence as a victim and so UM and also 0:36:42.880 --> 0:36:45.400 she has a book, she's the author of Survived uh 0:36:45.520 --> 0:36:48.360 Survived to Live UH. So, folks who are listening, go 0:36:48.480 --> 0:36:51.040 out and please get that book and support patients. Married. 0:36:51.320 --> 0:36:54.640 We also have married Maggie carry our young sister on 0:36:55.280 --> 0:37:00.239 Maggie Um is an influencer. She's a TV Personnelity Putty, 0:37:00.480 --> 0:37:03.080 who was shot in a nightclub in New York City 0:37:03.280 --> 0:37:08.200 at a concert where our brother Shan Duke mcfatter, who 0:37:08.280 --> 0:37:10.920 does gun violence prevention work in New York City. You know, 0:37:11.160 --> 0:37:14.600 shand his brother was shot and killed in that shooting, 0:37:14.800 --> 0:37:17.560 and that incident that happened as well, and so we 0:37:17.640 --> 0:37:20.239 had both of them on. We wanted to also make 0:37:20.280 --> 0:37:23.759 sure we focus on women, right, you know, women who 0:37:23.800 --> 0:37:27.440 would who are victims, because the conversation often goes to 0:37:27.640 --> 0:37:30.480 men quickly because there are so many of our brothers 0:37:30.520 --> 0:37:33.080 who are either shooting or getting shot. But in this 0:37:33.320 --> 0:37:36.400 in this particular show, we talked to uh two women. 0:37:36.840 --> 0:37:38.920 And the reason why we wanted to have you on 0:37:39.239 --> 0:37:43.320 as the senior research director for the University of Chicago's 0:37:43.440 --> 0:37:48.279 Crime and Education lab um, I think and and my 0:37:48.400 --> 0:37:51.279 son and I were talking about what this series looks like. 0:37:51.840 --> 0:37:56.280 We have to have people elected officials, folks who are practitioners, 0:37:56.600 --> 0:38:00.080 folks who do mental health support because this issue of 0:38:00.239 --> 0:38:03.799 gun violence is so much bigger than just putting law 0:38:03.960 --> 0:38:07.960 enforcement in our communities hasn't worked. So that's why we 0:38:08.040 --> 0:38:10.160 wanted to have you on today. So Chico, tell us 0:38:10.239 --> 0:38:12.960 what you've been doing, what you're working on, and then 0:38:13.040 --> 0:38:15.520 of course we'll get into how people can be helpful. 0:38:16.400 --> 0:38:20.320 The first thing I want to say is thank you 0:38:20.440 --> 0:38:23.800 for recognizing that we can't arrest our way out of it. 0:38:24.200 --> 0:38:27.399 And I want to start by saying that most people 0:38:27.480 --> 0:38:31.520 don't even think critically that when a situation happens, or 0:38:31.520 --> 0:38:35.359 if a situation occurring, you don't call law enforcement till 0:38:35.440 --> 0:38:40.160 it reaches a particular point, escalates to a point where 0:38:40.320 --> 0:38:43.120 crime is being committed, and then it's too late. Somebody 0:38:43.239 --> 0:38:46.200 already shot. So one of the things I'm working on 0:38:47.760 --> 0:38:51.360 with the Crime Lab is building systems and structures throughout 0:38:51.400 --> 0:38:54.960 the United States to change the way we look at it. UM. 0:38:55.120 --> 0:38:59.240 I think we have to address the root causes of violence. 0:38:59.320 --> 0:39:02.759 A lot of it is systemic racism, UM and and 0:39:02.960 --> 0:39:06.800 and it's it's in a plethora spaces, it's not just 0:39:07.480 --> 0:39:11.120 And what it does is it allows individuals who live 0:39:11.160 --> 0:39:14.960 in these vulnerable communities to be traumatized day and night, 0:39:15.719 --> 0:39:19.040 so that when they reach conflict, they already dealer with 0:39:19.160 --> 0:39:23.200 all these microaggressions and they're at a boiling point. So 0:39:23.440 --> 0:39:28.800 something is simple as an argument escalates to somebody being 0:39:29.200 --> 0:39:33.520 um killed. So I say, first, we gotta address these systems. 0:39:33.920 --> 0:39:36.000 And I love the work that you're doing because it 0:39:36.120 --> 0:39:41.319 addresses the systems. Another huge thing we're doing nationally, I'm 0:39:41.320 --> 0:39:43.719 working with a group of great minds from all over 0:39:43.800 --> 0:39:47.799 the country on initiative called fund Peace and what we're 0:39:47.840 --> 0:39:51.200 doing is getting these resources down to the people on 0:39:51.280 --> 0:39:54.120 the ground who live in these vulnerable communities. When I 0:39:54.200 --> 0:39:58.640 say vulnerable communities, I mean disinvested communities. And I think 0:39:58.719 --> 0:40:02.719 the big problem is people want us to work a 0:40:02.840 --> 0:40:06.440 miracle with short money. If you have only a certain 0:40:06.480 --> 0:40:10.319 amount of money, somebody's gonna be left out. And they're 0:40:10.400 --> 0:40:12.719 giving us a short amount of money to work out 0:40:12.840 --> 0:40:16.800 all the kings around violence. When violence occurs for a 0:40:16.880 --> 0:40:21.600 plector of reasons which the government needs to be involved 0:40:22.000 --> 0:40:26.759 because they helped create these situations, that's exactly right, you know. 0:40:26.920 --> 0:40:32.279 So for me, it's like where, you know, how are 0:40:32.320 --> 0:40:34.600 we going about getting this money? Like what is what 0:40:34.800 --> 0:40:36.799 is the process? And I say this all the time. 0:40:37.120 --> 0:40:39.560 People hate when you say defund the police. So my 0:40:39.840 --> 0:40:42.760 my new thing is refund the community. How how should 0:40:42.800 --> 0:40:45.320 we be going about like what is your process? And 0:40:45.520 --> 0:40:47.920 what how did you going to get these resources to 0:40:47.960 --> 0:40:51.600 give back to the communities were they're right now? They're 0:40:51.840 --> 0:40:55.840 about four pathways. The first pathway, which is the lowers 0:40:55.880 --> 0:40:59.160 hanging through is the A RP money. The A r 0:40:59.239 --> 0:41:02.120 P money is the one point nine trillion that that 0:41:02.280 --> 0:41:08.920 President biden Um sent to each state county and city, 0:41:09.640 --> 0:41:13.120 and the money is supposed to be for individuals that 0:41:13.200 --> 0:41:16.800 were heavily impacted by COVID. Now we know nobody was 0:41:17.320 --> 0:41:21.800 negatively impacted more than black and brown people. And I 0:41:21.920 --> 0:41:25.239 gotta say this too, one of my biggest problems is 0:41:25.880 --> 0:41:28.920 a lot of people that's in these positions are black 0:41:29.719 --> 0:41:32.320 and won't give up the money. So that's that's a 0:41:32.520 --> 0:41:36.080 huge problem because I would think out of anybody, they 0:41:36.160 --> 0:41:40.239 would be able to um have empathy with the pain 0:41:40.600 --> 0:41:45.880 of relatives in many cases that's going through these challenges. 0:41:46.440 --> 0:41:51.280 So so one point nine you said one point nine trillion. 0:41:51.480 --> 0:41:57.200 One point nine trillion dollars. Uh. The the President Biden 0:41:58.000 --> 0:42:04.680 sent to states, cities and municipalities as a as a 0:42:04.920 --> 0:42:09.279 a COVID relief package, right, and so it is supposed 0:42:09.320 --> 0:42:13.880 to address issues that is happening in communities in the 0:42:14.040 --> 0:42:16.560 state or at the city level and the local on 0:42:16.640 --> 0:42:21.799 the local level that that um can be directly connected 0:42:21.920 --> 0:42:25.080 to the impact of COVID. That's what was supposed to happen. 0:42:25.520 --> 0:42:29.600 So you are at fund Peace are saying we know 0:42:29.920 --> 0:42:33.560 that the issue with gun violence, A lot of the 0:42:33.760 --> 0:42:36.480 new numbers and the spikes that we're seeing around the 0:42:36.600 --> 0:42:40.520 country have to do with are directly associated with the 0:42:40.800 --> 0:42:44.520 after effects of the COVID crisis, and therefore some form 0:42:44.640 --> 0:42:49.800 of those dollars should be dedicated to the grassroots efforts 0:42:50.000 --> 0:42:55.759 in the community. Perfectly stated. Okay, so now, but what 0:42:55.920 --> 0:42:57.640 if they say, well, we just want to give the 0:42:57.719 --> 0:43:00.680 money to police because we're seeing some of that happening 0:43:00.719 --> 0:43:04.879 across the nation. What we asked for let me be clear, 0:43:05.040 --> 0:43:08.640 we asked for two percent. I'm gonna make you laugh. 0:43:08.960 --> 0:43:12.120 We asked for two percent from the state and five 0:43:12.200 --> 0:43:15.840 percent from the city and municipalities. So it's not like 0:43:16.000 --> 0:43:19.480 we're asking for a lot. So we're asking for two 0:43:20.200 --> 0:43:25.200 and And the thing is, as I stated before, more 0:43:25.360 --> 0:43:30.480 police doesn't mean the violence is gonna is gonna decrease. 0:43:31.320 --> 0:43:34.080 It just doesn't. Um. I was at I was on 0:43:34.160 --> 0:43:36.520 the panel with my son in Chicago, and he said 0:43:36.600 --> 0:43:41.520 something real, real critical. If you think about affluent communities, 0:43:42.160 --> 0:43:44.920 you never see the police. You never see a police. 0:43:44.960 --> 0:43:47.080 If you see a police is at a dunking donuts 0:43:47.080 --> 0:43:51.880 and donuts. They're not riding around stopping people. So to 0:43:52.160 --> 0:43:55.080 think that that's a different form of police in the 0:43:55.200 --> 0:43:59.919 work in our community without cultural competency and cultural sensitivity. 0:44:00.120 --> 0:44:03.600 It's insane, you know what I want to actually and 0:44:03.680 --> 0:44:05.520 then we're going backwards with this. But I just want 0:44:05.560 --> 0:44:07.400 you to give a little bit of your background, like, 0:44:07.880 --> 0:44:09.880 you know, where did you come from with you know 0:44:10.000 --> 0:44:12.320 your situation, how did you get to this place to 0:44:12.360 --> 0:44:16.200 where you're dis esteemed doctor who understands our community and 0:44:16.360 --> 0:44:21.080 able to really give the solutions that's gonna change. Uh. First, 0:44:21.120 --> 0:44:24.320 I want to start by saying, I'm from the Austin community, 0:44:24.400 --> 0:44:29.880 which is, um, numerically the most violent community in Chicago. UM, 0:44:30.040 --> 0:44:33.719 it's one of the poorest communities. So I'm from the 0:44:33.840 --> 0:44:36.880 hood or the street. UM. I do have a background 0:44:37.040 --> 0:44:39.840 in a subculture group, which means I was and and 0:44:40.040 --> 0:44:42.239 in clear terms or vivid terms, I was a part 0:44:42.320 --> 0:44:45.719 of a game. UM. But I had an epiphany and 0:44:45.880 --> 0:44:49.440 I was sentenced to twenty years in prison under draconian 0:44:50.080 --> 0:44:53.680 crack sentence. But I should have only got three and 0:44:53.719 --> 0:44:58.240 a half years, So I did thirteen excessive years because 0:44:58.440 --> 0:45:02.799 of racial profiling and the criminalization of black people by 0:45:02.920 --> 0:45:06.640 the United States government. Let me start there. So at 0:45:06.680 --> 0:45:10.160 the in prison I realized what allowed me to be 0:45:10.320 --> 0:45:13.920 able to mentally go through this process was that I 0:45:14.040 --> 0:45:16.960 realized some of the things I was doing wrong and 0:45:17.120 --> 0:45:20.400 the influence I had on so many people, so I 0:45:20.480 --> 0:45:25.319 wanted to do something different and coming home, I fell 0:45:25.360 --> 0:45:27.759 in love with this process of being able to save 0:45:27.920 --> 0:45:31.320 lives because it was a conflict between two groups and 0:45:31.400 --> 0:45:33.880 I knew both of the guys and I was able 0:45:33.960 --> 0:45:37.200 to stop people from killing each other. And I'm gonna 0:45:37.200 --> 0:45:43.279 be honest, I never felt anything remotely closed to the 0:45:43.520 --> 0:45:47.080 joy and satisfaction that I got from saving the life. 0:45:47.640 --> 0:45:51.279 And I was bought into that process. But what I 0:45:51.480 --> 0:45:53.759 learned soon as I got into the process is that 0:45:56.160 --> 0:46:00.640 without education, I wouldn't be able to make any impact 0:46:00.719 --> 0:46:03.840 in terms of decision and that's what's started me on 0:46:04.000 --> 0:46:07.360 this track or this road to going back to school. 0:46:07.920 --> 0:46:10.040 And the difference from me and a lot of other 0:46:10.160 --> 0:46:13.480 people is I'm still connected to people in the street. 0:46:14.360 --> 0:46:18.640 My perception of people hasn't changed. I don't think they monsters. 0:46:19.160 --> 0:46:21.440 I think they just like me. They need pathways or 0:46:21.440 --> 0:46:24.160 opportunities to change their life, and they need to be 0:46:24.239 --> 0:46:27.200 connected to people like me to know that it's possible. 0:46:27.560 --> 0:46:30.680 So I still have relationships in my community. I still 0:46:30.800 --> 0:46:33.880 going my old community, I still love on them, guys, 0:46:34.360 --> 0:46:37.160 I'm patient with them because it was a process for 0:46:37.280 --> 0:46:42.200 me to change. And I think me having this tryotic perspective, 0:46:42.960 --> 0:46:46.120 a person that was once an individual at the highest risk, 0:46:46.320 --> 0:46:49.640 a person that was a practitioner, and a person that's 0:46:49.719 --> 0:46:53.720 now able to look at different theoretical concepts and making 0:46:54.120 --> 0:46:58.399 operational as a researcher makes me a little different from 0:46:58.480 --> 0:47:02.520 somebody who really don't understand the culture and challenges of 0:47:02.600 --> 0:47:08.239 our people. So President to you know, I'm all about 0:47:08.320 --> 0:47:11.920 cut the check. So President Biden will tell me the 0:47:12.040 --> 0:47:14.480 difference between and I know you have to go Chico, 0:47:14.719 --> 0:47:17.200 but we don't want to be disrespectful to your time. 0:47:17.719 --> 0:47:20.040 But tell me the difference between the one point nine 0:47:20.120 --> 0:47:24.239 trillion and the five point three billion that we saw 0:47:24.640 --> 0:47:28.480 at the White House trying to okay, remember I said 0:47:28.480 --> 0:47:31.040 it was four pathways. First of all, let me say 0:47:31.120 --> 0:47:34.400 something about Fine Peace. Fine Peace is a group of 0:47:34.480 --> 0:47:38.400 toil people who solve a problem and did something about 0:47:38.440 --> 0:47:40.800 it really to make it shut. And we said, we 0:47:40.920 --> 0:47:43.719 gotta get the money to the people. So we volunteered 0:47:43.920 --> 0:47:47.200 to collectively come together to get the resources to the 0:47:47.320 --> 0:47:51.000 ground because we connected to people that's dying. So fun 0:47:51.120 --> 0:47:54.279 Peace doesn't get the money. No, we don't get it done. 0:47:54.760 --> 0:47:57.399 We don't get it done. We're trying to make sure 0:47:57.520 --> 0:48:00.440 people on the ground get the money, and and and 0:48:00.680 --> 0:48:04.600 and The five point three billion is money that's in 0:48:04.680 --> 0:48:08.160 the infrastructure build. That was in the infrastructure build. But 0:48:08.840 --> 0:48:12.319 Horford and Booker have a bill that we need everybody's 0:48:12.360 --> 0:48:15.560 support to get money to people on the ground to 0:48:15.760 --> 0:48:20.160 make sure we get job placement, job training, money to 0:48:20.320 --> 0:48:25.040 violence prevention organization and all the wraparound services that addressed 0:48:25.080 --> 0:48:28.040 the trauma. I'm gonna say something interesting to Tamika. In 0:48:28.120 --> 0:48:32.320 my side, I did sixteen years three months in prison. 0:48:33.960 --> 0:48:38.000 The day I was released, the expectation was that I'd 0:48:38.040 --> 0:48:41.279 be normal, as if none of that never happened. So 0:48:41.440 --> 0:48:47.320 I never received any services to help me psychologically transition 0:48:47.440 --> 0:48:52.000 back into society. Now, I had a support system that 0:48:52.160 --> 0:48:56.880 helped me navigate. Imagine for everybody that's arrested or go 0:48:57.040 --> 0:49:00.640 through that trauma, the pressures of getting out. In the 0:49:00.719 --> 0:49:03.120 first day, the first thing people talking about is getting 0:49:03.160 --> 0:49:06.160 a job, as if nothing, none of that had ever happened. 0:49:07.000 --> 0:49:10.160 And I think that's why the five point three billion 0:49:10.320 --> 0:49:12.600 is important. We gotta we gotta work with these people 0:49:12.640 --> 0:49:15.480 and help them understand what you went through is not normal, 0:49:15.840 --> 0:49:18.279 no matter what you did to get there, and help 0:49:18.360 --> 0:49:21.920 them go through a transition period to get back acclimated 0:49:22.000 --> 0:49:24.640 to society. I say the same thing all the time, 0:49:24.719 --> 0:49:27.840 and especially you know being in prison. I didn't do 0:49:27.960 --> 0:49:30.320 as much time as you did. But just understanding is 0:49:30.440 --> 0:49:33.640 the dynamics, you know, and then being acts and just 0:49:33.760 --> 0:49:36.400 come back into a society and just you know, and 0:49:36.560 --> 0:49:40.080 resume as if you've missed time, you you missed, you know, 0:49:40.200 --> 0:49:44.080 you missed generations. Like ten years is a decade. You know, 0:49:44.239 --> 0:49:46.960 so many things happen in two or three years. In 0:49:47.040 --> 0:49:49.480 two or three years being free, things have happened to 0:49:49.600 --> 0:49:52.839 have completely changed. So ten and sixteen and I'm seven 0:49:52.920 --> 0:49:54.880 years that I did it was it was. It was 0:49:54.920 --> 0:49:56.879 a real far stretch and it took a lot of time, 0:49:56.960 --> 0:50:00.080 and fortunately for us we had those support systems and 0:50:00.200 --> 0:50:01.799 that was able to do it. So I just want 0:50:01.840 --> 0:50:04.160 to say, I commend you brother on the work that 0:50:04.280 --> 0:50:06.920 you do, you know, especially where you do it at 0:50:07.320 --> 0:50:08.880 Like you said, we just had you know, I was 0:50:08.920 --> 0:50:10.800 out there with you men and the spirit and the 0:50:10.880 --> 0:50:13.640 love that you bring to this work into this movement 0:50:14.000 --> 0:50:17.239 is needed and is appreciated. Man, So listen, fund Piece, 0:50:17.320 --> 0:50:19.160 we with you. We want to you know, we want 0:50:19.200 --> 0:50:21.560 if we wanted, whatever we can do to help you know, 0:50:21.680 --> 0:50:23.440 we with you. We're gonna make sure that we we 0:50:23.520 --> 0:50:25.760 align with you. Once again, another one of our friends 0:50:25.800 --> 0:50:28.720 and our brothers keep doing the work. Brother, you appreciated. 0:50:28.840 --> 0:50:31.240 You are definitely one of the ones that are shine 0:50:31.280 --> 0:50:33.560 and these brothers definitely need you in these streets. Man, 0:50:33.680 --> 0:50:37.239 if there's an organization out there, grassroots group that is 0:50:37.320 --> 0:50:40.320 looking for support and wants to become a part of 0:50:40.360 --> 0:50:42.920 the fund Piece program, want to make sure people understand 0:50:43.040 --> 0:50:48.040 clearly that fund Piece is a conduit to help grassroots 0:50:48.280 --> 0:50:52.000 organizers and organizations get resources so that they can do 0:50:52.200 --> 0:50:54.959 the work in their communities. And so, like you said, 0:50:55.000 --> 0:50:58.640 there are multiple pathways, but you all have the knowledge 0:50:58.719 --> 0:51:01.160 base of how to do that. At where do folks go? 0:51:01.560 --> 0:51:03.960 How do they get in touch with you? Go to 0:51:04.120 --> 0:51:06.840 fund Piece now and you can you can sign up 0:51:06.920 --> 0:51:09.920 as a partner. We don't turn anybody away. And when 0:51:09.960 --> 0:51:12.560 you go to the site fund piece now dot org, 0:51:12.800 --> 0:51:17.960 dot com, dot com, fund piece now dot com. Okay, 0:51:18.040 --> 0:51:19.640 And then you said when you go to the site. 0:51:19.760 --> 0:51:21.840 It will tell you can sign up as a partner 0:51:22.080 --> 0:51:24.960 and come on Wednesday and have access to all the 0:51:25.080 --> 0:51:29.160 material we have for free. So it's it's we're doing 0:51:29.280 --> 0:51:32.760 everything we can to try to help as many people 0:51:33.280 --> 0:51:36.839 as possible. Thank you, Chico. We appreciate you for coming 0:51:36.920 --> 0:51:39.600 on and really breaking it down for us. Hopefully we 0:51:39.680 --> 0:51:42.880 can bring you back during the six week process because 0:51:43.000 --> 0:51:45.680 we know that you've been in l A and now 0:51:45.880 --> 0:51:48.600 you're moving on to other cities, and we want to 0:51:48.680 --> 0:51:52.080 make sure people keep up with the movement and get involved. 0:51:52.080 --> 0:51:54.759 And you also talked about that bill um that I 0:51:54.840 --> 0:51:57.520 think Corey Booker and others have and we're gonna go 0:51:57.719 --> 0:52:00.120 look it up and make sure people know that they 0:52:00.120 --> 0:52:05.520 should start calling and asking for other legislators and others 0:52:05.560 --> 0:52:08.200 in our federal government to support that bill so we 0:52:08.280 --> 0:52:11.080 can get the resources out of the gate and into 0:52:11.120 --> 0:52:16.200 the community. And I'm a big supporter of until Freedom 0:52:16.320 --> 0:52:19.560 and I want thank you so much. What y'all to 0:52:19.680 --> 0:52:21.640 the end, and I thank you all for putting your 0:52:21.800 --> 0:52:24.520 life on the line each and every day. And I 0:52:24.600 --> 0:52:28.040 want to say this publicly. Everybody needs to know fund 0:52:28.160 --> 0:52:32.239 Peace is a hundred a thousand percent behind my brother 0:52:32.360 --> 0:52:36.720 and sister, and we protect our people, we love our people, 0:52:37.200 --> 0:52:40.040 and until freedom is at the forefront of getting the 0:52:40.080 --> 0:52:43.640 work done in our community. Thank you, cheek, See you 0:52:43.760 --> 0:52:50.759 soon appreciate alright, alright, thank you. So there's so much 0:52:50.840 --> 0:52:54.239 to unpack with that, um, you know, cheek or he's 0:52:54.239 --> 0:52:59.480 such a humble, humble giant, um. And what he is 0:52:59.640 --> 0:53:03.839 doing and what he's involved in, along with Pastor Mike McBride, 0:53:04.719 --> 0:53:07.520 Erica Ford and others who are at the helm of 0:53:07.680 --> 0:53:12.319 leadership in fund, Piece is really trying to trying their 0:53:12.400 --> 0:53:16.280 best to get resources and bring it down to the street. 0:53:16.640 --> 0:53:19.120 And that's not easy, you know. And I get how 0:53:19.320 --> 0:53:23.440 some black folks are really frustrated because black people are saying, 0:53:24.080 --> 0:53:26.840 why do we always have to jump through hoops and 0:53:27.080 --> 0:53:31.320 travel under bridges and cross the waters and the ocean 0:53:31.440 --> 0:53:34.040 and everything else in order to get what we need 0:53:34.120 --> 0:53:37.359 in our communities? UM. And right now, what I see 0:53:37.800 --> 0:53:40.480 and I'm and this is not fun Pieces not saying this. 0:53:40.800 --> 0:53:44.480 I'm saying it is. I see that as more more 0:53:45.040 --> 0:53:50.160 violence happens across the nation, which as you said, shared responsibility. UM, 0:53:50.520 --> 0:53:52.759 that it's a it's a it's a conversation we have 0:53:52.840 --> 0:53:56.520 to have with our own people. But as that is happening, 0:53:56.880 --> 0:54:00.440 the pressure is being applied to this administration in and 0:54:00.640 --> 0:54:06.240 also to Biden specifically to increase police presence and support 0:54:06.320 --> 0:54:09.680 for law enforcement across the nation, because there's there is 0:54:09.760 --> 0:54:14.080 a there's a false narrative that somehow police prevent violence, right, 0:54:14.440 --> 0:54:17.320 and we've never seen that happen. Right. What we understand 0:54:17.360 --> 0:54:20.279 what prevents violence is the lack of when you when 0:54:20.360 --> 0:54:23.600 you get rid of poverty, right, when you give resources 0:54:23.640 --> 0:54:27.320 and you give opportunities, like I said, right now, violence 0:54:27.760 --> 0:54:30.520 is the recreation for the children in the communities. They 0:54:30.600 --> 0:54:33.120 don't have these programs. We used to have basketball programs, 0:54:33.160 --> 0:54:36.000 We had after school programs, We had on programs within 0:54:36.080 --> 0:54:38.319 the community that you can come in and you can 0:54:38.600 --> 0:54:40.520 teach you how to cook, they teach you how to box. 0:54:40.600 --> 0:54:43.080 They had all of these things that all of this energy, 0:54:43.120 --> 0:54:45.680 these young kids could utilize it and they would they 0:54:45.719 --> 0:54:48.319 would fund certain things. You had tournaments, you have something 0:54:48.360 --> 0:54:50.879 to really keep you engaged. Now on these young kids 0:54:50.960 --> 0:54:52.960 just go outside and they're in the corner and they 0:54:53.040 --> 0:54:55.239 just want to be involved with gangs and and this 0:54:55.440 --> 0:54:57.640 is what's happening, and this is all of this is 0:54:57.680 --> 0:55:01.319 a process, right, So until we elimit those realities, until 0:55:01.400 --> 0:55:04.800 we put back resources in our communities, we cannot in 0:55:04.920 --> 0:55:07.399 any way think that violence is gonna stop. Like Chico said, 0:55:07.400 --> 0:55:10.480 I said, when you go to the affluent communities, there's 0:55:10.480 --> 0:55:14.040 no police there because there's no need to know. I'm 0:55:14.080 --> 0:55:16.360 saying I don't see them at all. I don't. I 0:55:16.400 --> 0:55:20.400 don't see any police Walmart. I mean not the police 0:55:20.440 --> 0:55:22.600 you see like the security. I see the police at 0:55:22.600 --> 0:55:25.360 the Walmart. Well, I mean the Walmart's trying to be funny, 0:55:25.480 --> 0:55:28.120 like you see them in those kinds of places, But 0:55:28.239 --> 0:55:32.520 you don't see cops the corners. When we go to 0:55:32.600 --> 0:55:35.200 our rich friend's house that we visit, you know, like 0:55:35.440 --> 0:55:37.440 when you go visit, I don't know who do we 0:55:37.600 --> 0:55:41.279 visit that's rich, We visit Pop's house. I have never 0:55:41.360 --> 0:55:44.080 seen a cop near Poff's house just hanging out. This 0:55:44.160 --> 0:55:46.799 ain't happening because there's no need because the people they 0:55:46.920 --> 0:55:50.480 have everything they need, so the the perplexity for crime 0:55:50.680 --> 0:55:53.799 is way lower. So we got to understand that if 0:55:54.080 --> 0:55:57.319 that's a simple concept, If people have resources and they 0:55:57.719 --> 0:56:00.800 have all the things that they need, the stability in 0:56:00.840 --> 0:56:05.200 the need for crime diminishing, and you know, these interviews 0:56:05.239 --> 0:56:07.600 are so short, so we don't really get an opportunity 0:56:07.680 --> 0:56:10.160 to lay out all the things that people need to know. 0:56:10.600 --> 0:56:13.920 But reading is fundamental and that's why, um, you know, 0:56:14.040 --> 0:56:17.200 fund piece now dot com is so important because folks 0:56:17.280 --> 0:56:19.560 can go there and really learn. And I get a 0:56:19.640 --> 0:56:22.600 text message from fund Piece every day that tells me 0:56:22.800 --> 0:56:25.040 if I want to be a part of sessions with 0:56:25.200 --> 0:56:28.640 that they have online, when you can actually learn how 0:56:28.800 --> 0:56:31.359 to apply for money and how to get support, how 0:56:31.440 --> 0:56:35.160 to get connected with larger organizations that can actually help 0:56:35.239 --> 0:56:38.440 you and be like your fiscal sponsor, because that's another issue. 0:56:38.520 --> 0:56:41.440 You have such small grassroots groups that they hit the 0:56:41.520 --> 0:56:44.239 ground and they're out there, they're doing real work, but 0:56:44.320 --> 0:56:46.959 they don't have their paperwork in order to be able 0:56:47.000 --> 0:56:50.080 to accept a two million dollar grant. And so if 0:56:50.120 --> 0:56:53.840 they work with some of the larger organizations, then those 0:56:53.960 --> 0:56:57.560 folks will serve as the as the umbrella, if you will, 0:56:57.880 --> 0:57:00.239 and make sure that the payroll gets paid aid and 0:57:00.320 --> 0:57:04.640 that you know, the infrastructure is there to help right 0:57:04.880 --> 0:57:08.160 it incubate these organizations. And so there's so much that 0:57:08.320 --> 0:57:12.040 you can actually learn in this process. And I want 0:57:12.040 --> 0:57:15.239 to make sure that we do, not that people don't 0:57:15.360 --> 0:57:17.800 just go out saying, oh, ain't nobody doing nothing for 0:57:17.880 --> 0:57:20.640 black folds. Oh there's nothing, No, there is something, but 0:57:20.720 --> 0:57:22.880 we all have to work together. And to to our 0:57:22.960 --> 0:57:26.800 point earlier, everything is political because while the money, yes, 0:57:26.920 --> 0:57:30.280 the money is there, but then there the process to 0:57:30.320 --> 0:57:32.520 get it is political. And now we know that there's 0:57:32.520 --> 0:57:36.479 an actual bill that is associated with the five point 0:57:36.640 --> 0:57:41.920 three million billion dollars that President Biden has already signed 0:57:41.960 --> 0:57:44.600 an executive order. He signed an executive order to send 0:57:44.680 --> 0:57:48.120 that money out. But as we know, the system always 0:57:48.240 --> 0:57:52.080 has guard rails to try to UM and and I'm 0:57:52.120 --> 0:57:53.960 not saying this is on every issue. I'm not saying 0:57:54.000 --> 0:57:56.919 this is just on gun violence, because it's on every 0:57:57.000 --> 0:58:00.480 single thing that you're trying to get out of the government. 0:58:00.560 --> 0:58:03.720 There's all these different areas and guard rails. And so 0:58:03.960 --> 0:58:07.680 there's a bill that Corey Booker has that will actually 0:58:07.800 --> 0:58:10.520 help to free up more of those resources and get 0:58:10.600 --> 0:58:13.600 them into the community, to deal with mental health support, 0:58:13.840 --> 0:58:15.920 to deal with jobs, to deal with the things that 0:58:16.040 --> 0:58:19.080 we know, just as you just laid out so UM 0:58:19.480 --> 0:58:23.600 importantly UM and so clearly, to deal with all of 0:58:23.720 --> 0:58:27.480 these issues that actually prevent us from being able to 0:58:27.600 --> 0:58:31.440 address the issue of gun violence. So we are you know, 0:58:31.520 --> 0:58:33.720 as also as a part of this series, I think 0:58:34.160 --> 0:58:38.120 what's important is while we are covering those people who 0:58:38.240 --> 0:58:42.080 have the ability to make real, like big change. So 0:58:42.400 --> 0:58:45.840 you know, someone like Chico, he is someone who with 0:58:45.960 --> 0:58:48.600 the work that fund pieces doing, they have the ability 0:58:48.760 --> 0:58:52.520 to really help support a lot of people across the nation. 0:58:52.800 --> 0:58:56.640 Absolutely um And but at the same time, what I 0:58:56.800 --> 0:59:00.960 am also very very what makes me hopeful is people 0:59:01.080 --> 0:59:04.200 like patients Mary who is a victim, Maggie Carry a 0:59:04.440 --> 0:59:08.760 victim who's turned their pain into purpose. And this brother 0:59:08.800 --> 0:59:11.720 who is joining us today. Kareem Nelson is one of 0:59:11.840 --> 0:59:15.320 those who we see at protests all the time. He's 0:59:15.360 --> 0:59:18.600 out there not just UM for you know, for the 0:59:18.680 --> 0:59:21.200 issue around gun violence. Because certainly we've seen him at 0:59:21.320 --> 0:59:25.880 in the Bronx in different places marching to bring about 0:59:26.040 --> 0:59:28.720 change and to help curb gun violence and to bring 0:59:29.480 --> 0:59:33.520 UM gangs together, but also I've seen him at police 0:59:33.560 --> 0:59:37.400 brutality protests. I've seen him in so many different spaces 0:59:37.800 --> 0:59:40.280 out there as a real advocate. His name is Kareem 0:59:40.360 --> 0:59:45.280 Nelson again, and his organization is Wheelchairs Against Guns UM 0:59:45.400 --> 0:59:48.880 and obviously the wheelchair polace is important because when you 0:59:49.080 --> 0:59:52.640 see Kareem, he is someone who's in a wheelchair, who's 0:59:52.760 --> 0:59:55.480 making it from place to place and being out there 0:59:55.520 --> 0:59:57.720 as a real advocate. So, Kareem, thank you so much 0:59:57.760 --> 1:00:02.080 for joining us today. Thank you having mean. So let's 1:00:02.080 --> 1:00:06.400 start with the personal side. Um, Kareem, what happened to you? 1:00:07.200 --> 1:00:11.760 You know, obviously your story is real and we want 1:00:11.840 --> 1:00:16.880 folks to know what you've been through. Well, you know, 1:00:17.000 --> 1:00:20.080 I was born in seventy four, forty seven, forty seven 1:00:20.120 --> 1:00:23.840 this year. Um, I came up in a in the 1:00:23.920 --> 1:00:28.760 eighties and nineties. Uh, I like it. You know, I'm 1:00:28.840 --> 1:00:31.640 very transparent. I was. I was a stupid kid, you 1:00:31.680 --> 1:00:34.800 know what I mean. I talked, I talked my desistants 1:00:34.840 --> 1:00:37.480 up to having a low supersteem. Um. I had a 1:00:37.560 --> 1:00:40.160 good household. My mom took care and she had a 1:00:40.240 --> 1:00:43.560 good job with My father wasn't there. He was alcoholic. Um, 1:00:43.880 --> 1:00:46.560 you know, low Sevil state. You know, the streets called 1:00:46.600 --> 1:00:48.840 me up at a very young age. That's why I 1:00:48.920 --> 1:00:52.120 started doing those ships by seven crack claimed with guns 1:00:52.400 --> 1:00:55.320 um at thirteen, I saw I came in, came in 1:00:55.440 --> 1:00:57.320 kind of one of my first misses of dumb Valance. 1:00:57.720 --> 1:00:59.840 I saw my man Doria Dixon get murdered right and 1:01:00.040 --> 1:01:03.480 running me. He was sixteen. I was thirteen, and you know, 1:01:03.600 --> 1:01:05.080 that was my sign to get out the streets. But 1:01:05.240 --> 1:01:07.560 you know, I didn't take key to it because you know, 1:01:07.640 --> 1:01:09.640 I thought I was, you know, Bill for the two, 1:01:09.840 --> 1:01:12.600 and I can handle anything that come out direction, you know, 1:01:12.680 --> 1:01:15.120 and I just I just been through every every everything 1:01:15.200 --> 1:01:17.520 that you could imagine. And I've been through the seventeen. 1:01:17.600 --> 1:01:19.800 I got four with the Himmer. I went on the 1:01:19.920 --> 1:01:22.280 run at seventeen to Atlanta because at this time of 1:01:22.320 --> 1:01:24.360 my life, you know, I had a bunch of friends 1:01:24.400 --> 1:01:26.320 and we was just in and out of town selling drugs. 1:01:26.520 --> 1:01:29.000 And then, you know, I don't like to talk about 1:01:29.040 --> 1:01:31.320 that because I don't want to glorify that, but that's 1:01:31.360 --> 1:01:32.680 what we were doing at the time, and in the 1:01:33.000 --> 1:01:36.840 in the early nineties. Seeing my selling drugs was cool 1:01:36.880 --> 1:01:38.800 thing to do at the time, right, So I felt 1:01:38.880 --> 1:01:41.800 thinking of that. Um at seventeen, I went on the 1:01:41.840 --> 1:01:43.880 run for the gun and then I found myself in 1:01:43.880 --> 1:01:47.400 Atlanta for Mare del Valance, my man baby Jay got murdered. 1:01:47.920 --> 1:01:50.080 You know, I found myself in Bottomore and when I 1:01:50.120 --> 1:01:55.240 got to Bottomore it was rough. I've never seen poverty 1:01:55.440 --> 1:02:00.160 at such a uh high rate right from you, but 1:02:00.240 --> 1:02:02.320 I probably is made different from what they're going through. 1:02:02.960 --> 1:02:06.160 So when I got damn here, I thought I knew 1:02:06.160 --> 1:02:08.280 how to fight very well. You know, I feared well 1:02:08.360 --> 1:02:10.520 in the streets, so I was kind of I had 1:02:10.520 --> 1:02:12.000 a chip on my shoulder. I thought I was a 1:02:12.040 --> 1:02:15.080 bully um my beard across the men and the complex 1:02:15.200 --> 1:02:17.760 selling drugs. I didn't want to be anymore. You know. 1:02:17.800 --> 1:02:20.480 I just exercised my cancer. And the day that I 1:02:20.560 --> 1:02:22.920 saw him was Father's Day. You know, he was doing 1:02:22.960 --> 1:02:25.320 what he was doing, and I was totally frustrated. I 1:02:25.400 --> 1:02:26.640 had it done on me, but it was in the 1:02:26.720 --> 1:02:30.640 pushing and you know, my frustration and my stupidity allowed 1:02:30.680 --> 1:02:32.800 me to put my hands on that man and his friend, 1:02:33.080 --> 1:02:37.800 you know, shot me. That was June Fathers um my life. 1:02:38.600 --> 1:02:41.200 I never had a job. I don't know what working is. 1:02:41.320 --> 1:02:44.520 So they're putting a mid Shire. It was like, like 1:02:44.680 --> 1:02:46.400 it's foreign to me. They wanted to give me a 1:02:46.480 --> 1:02:49.000 check that was worth five hundred and eighty three dollars 1:02:49.040 --> 1:02:50.800 a month, and I had to live off there. I 1:02:50.840 --> 1:02:52.560 had to pay rent. I had to do all that, so, 1:02:52.680 --> 1:02:55.560 you know, not never having a job, a little self esteem, 1:02:55.600 --> 1:02:58.000 I believing in myself that I could do better. I 1:02:58.080 --> 1:03:00.680 see him back to the streets, and this time when 1:03:00.720 --> 1:03:03.640 I went back to the streets, UM, I put a 1:03:03.720 --> 1:03:07.680 federal federal charge for uh expiracy of the strident fifty 1:03:07.720 --> 1:03:12.240 grounds and more practical came H lost my apulmit, went 1:03:12.320 --> 1:03:15.600 to jail. UH four and a half years. God changed 1:03:15.640 --> 1:03:17.720 the crack norns for me, got me had it early. 1:03:18.440 --> 1:03:21.360 I came home still didn't learn my lesson, still thinking 1:03:21.400 --> 1:03:24.440 about the streets and trying to catch up, and my 1:03:24.520 --> 1:03:26.120 money not being the way I wanted it to be, 1:03:26.960 --> 1:03:29.360 you know, for doing dumb things and sail like gavin it, 1:03:29.880 --> 1:03:32.280 you know, and and things like that. When I came home, 1:03:32.440 --> 1:03:34.400 I was behind the ball, but I had to catch up. 1:03:34.920 --> 1:03:37.680 I went right back to what I knew. This time, 1:03:37.720 --> 1:03:40.920 I trusted mine, my family member had a family remember 1:03:40.960 --> 1:03:43.360 that was in the streets. Awesome. You know, we did 1:03:43.440 --> 1:03:45.960 this thing in thousand times between us. This one time 1:03:46.040 --> 1:03:47.760 when you know, we went to go through the business. 1:03:47.800 --> 1:03:50.720 He decided to take all the brad and all the money. 1:03:50.840 --> 1:03:54.600 Wasn't mind, you know, some killer's money. It was some 1:03:54.760 --> 1:03:57.640 good friends money and you know, the killer's money, their money, 1:03:57.920 --> 1:04:00.720 and I couldn't produce it. So that night they rocked 1:04:00.800 --> 1:04:02.720 to sleep and for me to the fan called the park, 1:04:03.560 --> 1:04:06.480 drove somewhere dark and it was about you know, calling 1:04:06.560 --> 1:04:08.480 bags out the trunk to put clubs one and I 1:04:08.560 --> 1:04:11.440 got scared. For the first half of my life, I 1:04:11.600 --> 1:04:14.880 really valued my life because I really got scared. You know, 1:04:14.960 --> 1:04:18.120 I know I played with them brothers, you know, God 1:04:18.160 --> 1:04:20.880 always with me. I called pool. Then he wasn't the 1:04:20.920 --> 1:04:23.240 only once there, no more. So that was there. They 1:04:23.240 --> 1:04:25.680 couldn't do what they had to do. I went home. 1:04:26.520 --> 1:04:28.960 I had I was funked up at the time. I 1:04:29.040 --> 1:04:30.720 had the bar, the man from my moms get these 1:04:30.760 --> 1:04:33.200 things back there brand. I gave him back their brand. 1:04:33.240 --> 1:04:36.720 And that night all the fourteen makes two thousand fourteen. 1:04:37.800 --> 1:04:40.480 I sat in my bed and I put. I finally 1:04:40.560 --> 1:04:44.040 understood why I was in and the purpose of me 1:04:44.120 --> 1:04:46.560 and his wheel Chap was to help other young gun 1:04:47.000 --> 1:04:49.240 that looked like me sound like this, you know, and 1:04:49.360 --> 1:04:50.920 come from where I come from. Donna have to ever 1:04:50.960 --> 1:04:55.800 go through this. So that's my story. I ain't proud 1:04:55.840 --> 1:04:59.400 of it, but it is real. It's real, and it's rule, 1:04:59.480 --> 1:05:02.440 and it's it is a familiar story, you know, with 1:05:02.600 --> 1:05:05.720 the with the exception of the wheelchair, I know a 1:05:05.800 --> 1:05:08.800 lot of people have that same similar story. And you know, 1:05:08.960 --> 1:05:11.520 and and and it makes me reflect. You know, right 1:05:11.560 --> 1:05:14.880 now we're dealing with such an epidemic and gun violence, 1:05:15.040 --> 1:05:17.640 you know, and just the other day a young thirteen 1:05:17.720 --> 1:05:20.400 year old was killed and you were just explaining how 1:05:21.040 --> 1:05:24.920 at that age you were deeply entrenched already in the streets, 1:05:25.640 --> 1:05:29.080 and and and and the mindset for me, right, it's 1:05:29.120 --> 1:05:32.160 what is the process? How like, dude, what who do 1:05:32.320 --> 1:05:35.760 you think was the influence? Do you feel like there 1:05:35.800 --> 1:05:38.560 could have been older people in your community that could 1:05:38.600 --> 1:05:40.360 have steered you a different way? Do you feel like 1:05:40.680 --> 1:05:43.680 they embraced you, they've seen you going on the path? 1:05:43.800 --> 1:05:46.200 Do do you think that there could have been something 1:05:46.280 --> 1:05:48.240 that could have steered you in a different direction? Or 1:05:48.320 --> 1:05:50.680 which is something that you felt like, what's gonna happen 1:05:50.800 --> 1:05:55.560 naturally because you wanted to do it? Well? In the nineties, 1:05:55.680 --> 1:05:58.440 we have this. I mean, I didn't have somebody to 1:05:58.520 --> 1:06:01.040 come in that help me. What it was. It was 1:06:01.120 --> 1:06:02.800 just you know, you can't keep willing you don't go 1:06:02.840 --> 1:06:05.640 to jail, but you know, jealous like college. So it 1:06:05.680 --> 1:06:08.680 didn't really didn't really register with me. So I really 1:06:08.720 --> 1:06:11.840 didn't have nobody. My friends really didn't have nobody, you know. 1:06:12.000 --> 1:06:14.680 I think my teacher for that time was me seeing 1:06:14.760 --> 1:06:16.720 my friend Dorian Murden, you know what I mean. I 1:06:16.840 --> 1:06:19.200 was when I was, that was the person coming to 1:06:19.520 --> 1:06:21.200 coming and talk to me like, yo, you gotta tell 1:06:21.520 --> 1:06:23.760 you might be next you telling you to get life. 1:06:23.960 --> 1:06:26.040 I think that was that was it right there, But 1:06:26.440 --> 1:06:30.600 verbally nobody really said it because I don't think nobody 1:06:30.640 --> 1:06:33.640 really knew. Everybody was all doing the same thing, you 1:06:33.640 --> 1:06:35.800 know what I'm saying, it did. So all of these 1:06:35.960 --> 1:06:40.640 programs that that we see out here now, um, you 1:06:40.720 --> 1:06:47.120 know Wheelchairs Against Guns, uh, you know life Camp, um uh, 1:06:47.320 --> 1:06:52.000 you have g MAC, you have who else man up, 1:06:52.360 --> 1:06:57.160 you have all of these different organizations. You're saying, we 1:06:57.200 --> 1:07:00.120 didn't have access to that. You didn't have acts us 1:07:00.160 --> 1:07:04.240 to those types of organs at the time. No, not 1:07:04.360 --> 1:07:08.040 at all, not at all. It says that's why the 1:07:08.160 --> 1:07:10.520 kids that they don't realize the duty of what they got, 1:07:11.040 --> 1:07:12.520 you know what I mean, they got real people that 1:07:12.840 --> 1:07:15.000 you know't done what they've done lived the life that 1:07:15.040 --> 1:07:17.720 they're trying to live coming back talking to me, you 1:07:17.760 --> 1:07:21.400 know what I mean, they don't really realize that, you know. 1:07:21.440 --> 1:07:24.280 I mean that's the sad problem because you know, sometimes 1:07:24.280 --> 1:07:26.160 when I turn the news on in the mooning and 1:07:26.240 --> 1:07:28.520 I hey about all these kids then't kill I feel 1:07:28.560 --> 1:07:30.880 like I'm not doing my job. I feel like I 1:07:31.000 --> 1:07:33.400 feel you know what I mean. I left a lot 1:07:33.440 --> 1:07:36.440 of kids, remember, and limber with my neighborhood that just 1:07:36.520 --> 1:07:39.200 got that selid drugs and doing stupid. Ship's cool and 1:07:39.280 --> 1:07:40.760 I take the plane for that, you know. I mean, 1:07:40.840 --> 1:07:43.680 that's another reason why I get back so coheartedly. We 1:07:43.760 --> 1:07:46.360 don't have no fun. Every time you see me or 1:07:46.400 --> 1:07:48.680 you see my organis actually out there on my time, 1:07:49.080 --> 1:07:50.880 you know, and I'll make it and I'll make it work, 1:07:51.200 --> 1:07:52.880 you know when gard has been doing and allowing me 1:07:53.000 --> 1:07:56.880 to continue to reach instead. You know. So wow, So 1:07:57.040 --> 1:07:59.880 you don't have the you don't you're not funded at 1:08:00.000 --> 1:08:03.040 all in the cure, in the crisis management system or 1:08:03.040 --> 1:08:09.200 any of that. Oll wow. And that's and I think 1:08:09.240 --> 1:08:11.360 that's what the issue is for me, is just understanding 1:08:11.640 --> 1:08:13.600 that the brothers like you to have a story that 1:08:13.800 --> 1:08:16.720 is relatable that the young brothers in our community will 1:08:16.760 --> 1:08:19.960 be able to relate to and you can change them 1:08:20.040 --> 1:08:22.519 and redirect them and you know, in a different direction. 1:08:22.840 --> 1:08:26.720 But yet our government and the organizations don't see the 1:08:26.880 --> 1:08:30.000 need and the necessity to fund people like yourself, but 1:08:30.080 --> 1:08:33.240 they want to spend that money to incarcerate our young kids, 1:08:33.360 --> 1:08:37.559 right you know. So I think the preventatives, the preventative messages, 1:08:37.920 --> 1:08:40.000 I mean methods, are the things that we need to 1:08:40.080 --> 1:08:43.160 focus on. You know, brothers like yourself need to be funded. Man. 1:08:43.280 --> 1:08:45.680 So I just want to say we commend you for 1:08:45.760 --> 1:08:48.280 the work that you're doing. We commend you just being alive. 1:08:48.400 --> 1:08:53.600 You know what will Chance Against Guns actually does? And 1:08:53.920 --> 1:08:57.800 then also how can people directly support you? Um? And 1:08:57.840 --> 1:09:00.760 then I want to know if you you know what's 1:09:00.800 --> 1:09:04.120 happening with the fund piece model, um, and whether or 1:09:04.200 --> 1:09:07.000 not we can help to put you together with them 1:09:07.080 --> 1:09:09.600 and maybe you know, perhaps they could be supportive and 1:09:09.680 --> 1:09:12.960 helping you get the funding that you need. So definitely, 1:09:13.200 --> 1:09:15.840 what does will what does will Chairs Against Guns do? 1:09:16.880 --> 1:09:19.559 Our so purpose is to protect children from the dames 1:09:19.600 --> 1:09:22.639 of bullying games and don mines, you know, like I'm 1:09:22.640 --> 1:09:25.080 not a children on the site but I'm really heavy 1:09:25.120 --> 1:09:27.360 in the schools. That's my main I stick with the school. 1:09:27.720 --> 1:09:30.320 We've done over two hundred schools, you know, we just 1:09:30.400 --> 1:09:32.920 spoke to over two thousand students. And I've been doing 1:09:33.200 --> 1:09:36.400 going into school since since the inception of WAG, which 1:09:36.520 --> 1:09:38.559 was two thousand and fourteen, and we've been at everything. 1:09:39.120 --> 1:09:42.240 I can't it's counting schools. We've got to countless kids 1:09:42.280 --> 1:09:46.320 whose last change you know, UM I started. I'm not 1:09:46.439 --> 1:09:48.040 good at that. You you know I'm not good at 1:09:48.040 --> 1:09:51.000 ACT because I don't know. I didn't get to getting 1:09:51.000 --> 1:09:53.600 on my own. So like just being ask you with that, 1:09:54.040 --> 1:09:56.880 I wouldn't have started um a company and non medical 1:09:57.000 --> 1:10:00.960 transportation company when my company of Chance for Alderney people 1:10:00.960 --> 1:10:05.599 assess Bride, you know, assess Brian uh Term and all 1:10:05.680 --> 1:10:07.439 those things. So I have calls on the street that 1:10:07.560 --> 1:10:11.000 transport these people. And I started discompany for the sole 1:10:11.080 --> 1:10:13.720 purpose to fund my organization. If I don't know how 1:10:13.760 --> 1:10:15.640 to ask you know, so you can put me in 1:10:15.760 --> 1:10:20.320 touch with anybody that you know directly in the ACTS part. 1:10:20.720 --> 1:10:22.960 It will be a huge, you know, huge beneficial to 1:10:23.040 --> 1:10:27.200 my organization. How can we support you directly? I mean, 1:10:27.320 --> 1:10:30.160 you know, we got a website Wheel gets guns at All. 1:10:30.560 --> 1:10:32.640 You can go on there and you can make a contribution. 1:10:33.080 --> 1:10:37.160 Or if we um just twenty June, I would like 1:10:37.320 --> 1:10:39.280 for both of y'all if ya could have the time. 1:10:39.680 --> 1:10:42.559 We have a peace treaty and far Rockety. I'm from 1:10:42.600 --> 1:10:45.080 far Rockety also. I lived out there also, and then 1:10:45.160 --> 1:10:47.600 the balance out there is crazy, and we're having a 1:10:47.640 --> 1:10:50.720 peace treaty sort of like the kings King, stop killing kings. Brother, 1:10:51.479 --> 1:10:54.080 that's what we're doing. So you know, I can send 1:10:54.080 --> 1:10:56.760 you out of information, but you can directly supporters about 1:10:56.760 --> 1:10:59.400 just googling my man Karee Nelson or just going to 1:10:59.520 --> 1:11:07.960 directly while our website wills getting dounes at all sign 1:11:08.000 --> 1:11:14.040 out the program and a great against guns. Thank you 1:11:14.160 --> 1:11:16.240 so much, Thank you man for the brother. I appreciate 1:11:16.320 --> 1:11:19.040 you man. The work you're doing. This phenomenal and your 1:11:19.080 --> 1:11:21.240 story is so real and raw and you know, and 1:11:21.400 --> 1:11:23.720 a lot of times that's what these kids need and 1:11:23.800 --> 1:11:27.600 that's what they respect. They respect the rawness. They understand authenticity. 1:11:27.680 --> 1:11:30.760 You can't trick these kids. You can't make believe that 1:11:30.920 --> 1:11:33.160 you've done something that you ain't. You know, they know 1:11:33.240 --> 1:11:34.800 how to smell it on you. If it ain't on you, 1:11:35.160 --> 1:11:37.960 they know what ain't know on you. So we appreciate 1:11:38.040 --> 1:11:40.360 you coming from that perspective. Brother, continue to do the 1:11:40.400 --> 1:11:42.960 world and listen to you say that you actually have 1:11:43.120 --> 1:11:46.559 a transportation company and that that's how you fund your work. 1:11:46.600 --> 1:11:49.120 It's so important because a lot of people look at 1:11:49.240 --> 1:11:51.120 us and think that, I don't know, I guess they 1:11:51.200 --> 1:11:53.880 think money just drops off the skies, or that folks 1:11:54.000 --> 1:11:58.040 just just just donate and invest, you know, millions of dollars. 1:11:58.160 --> 1:12:01.000 That's not our situation. There's some people who have that, 1:12:01.400 --> 1:12:05.639 but unfortunately until freedom does not. And therefore each one 1:12:05.720 --> 1:12:08.360 of us, of the four co chairs of our organization. 1:12:08.960 --> 1:12:12.599 Angelo Pinto, is an attorney. He actually does his work 1:12:12.720 --> 1:12:17.240 every day as a lawyer. Linda Sarsre, she does political work, 1:12:17.320 --> 1:12:21.200 she works on campaigns, she does consulting work. I also, 1:12:21.560 --> 1:12:24.519 aside from being a speaker, um, you know who is 1:12:24.640 --> 1:12:27.600 requested to do major speeches across the country. But I 1:12:27.640 --> 1:12:30.360 also have a consulting firm and I do real work 1:12:30.439 --> 1:12:34.280 working with corporations, working with agencies. And then my son 1:12:34.520 --> 1:12:37.400 is an artist, um he also as a consultant. And 1:12:37.520 --> 1:12:41.760 so we we understand the model of doing outside work 1:12:41.800 --> 1:12:45.240 and then taking your own money. And I literally was 1:12:45.400 --> 1:12:49.559 just texting where somebody in our organization said how are 1:12:49.640 --> 1:12:52.600 we getting to some city that we're going to? And 1:12:52.680 --> 1:12:55.439 they said, how is it being paid for? And I said, well, 1:12:55.439 --> 1:12:58.599 I pay for my own ticket and then and they said, okay, yeah, 1:12:58.720 --> 1:13:01.000 it's we ain't got the money, you know what I mean. 1:13:01.320 --> 1:13:03.240 You gotta pay for you gotta pay for yourself if 1:13:03.320 --> 1:13:06.160 you want to get there. So thank you, Kareem. We 1:13:06.240 --> 1:13:12.280 appreciate you. Appreciate you any time, any time. This is 1:13:12.360 --> 1:13:16.240 it like for me, this six episode series is like 1:13:17.080 --> 1:13:20.280 really important, and it's important for people like Kareem. No, 1:13:20.439 --> 1:13:24.040 we're not glorifying his story, but his story is a 1:13:24.120 --> 1:13:26.840 story that so many having if we can. The fact 1:13:26.920 --> 1:13:31.719 that God saved him from so many different things means 1:13:31.760 --> 1:13:34.759 that he's supposed to be here to tell somebody something. 1:13:35.120 --> 1:13:37.639 And I'm that's what I want to be a part 1:13:37.680 --> 1:13:39.760 of exactly. You know, when you when you look at 1:13:39.800 --> 1:13:42.600 a brother like him and just hearing his story, it 1:13:42.720 --> 1:13:45.400 sounds so familiar. I got friends, and a lot of 1:13:45.520 --> 1:13:47.880 the things that he's talked about, I've actually been through 1:13:48.200 --> 1:13:50.920 some of those things myself, you know. So and I 1:13:51.120 --> 1:13:54.639 understand how important it is to be a credible messenger. 1:13:55.080 --> 1:13:56.519 You know, the way that I do the work that 1:13:56.600 --> 1:13:59.479 I do in our communities is I come from a 1:13:59.560 --> 1:14:03.160 prospective of where they are now, right. I don't I 1:14:03.160 --> 1:14:05.800 don't have conversations with these kids or I don't have 1:14:06.439 --> 1:14:09.200 any type of communication with them from where I am 1:14:09.600 --> 1:14:12.240 where I am right because I've overcome those things and 1:14:12.280 --> 1:14:16.120 I went through that. My conversation is understanding exactly where 1:14:16.160 --> 1:14:18.679 they are and understanding that if you do not relate 1:14:18.720 --> 1:14:20.959 to where they are, and you speak from this hierarchy 1:14:21.040 --> 1:14:23.400 and you've already done that, they don't relate to you. 1:14:23.560 --> 1:14:25.760 They don't believe, they don't believe that you've been through 1:14:26.000 --> 1:14:28.479 when you come so shine and polished and you just 1:14:28.560 --> 1:14:30.040 don't do the crime and just don't be in the 1:14:30.080 --> 1:14:32.479 streets and no, no, no understanding and telling them what 1:14:32.600 --> 1:14:35.200 I understand exactly what you're going through. I went through that. 1:14:35.280 --> 1:14:37.400 I understand what you're about to do. I understand that. 1:14:37.479 --> 1:14:40.400 Now I'm not telling you what to do. I'm just 1:14:40.520 --> 1:14:43.000 telling you what are going to be the consequence the 1:14:43.160 --> 1:14:44.840 end result, because I know that you know what I'm saying, 1:14:45.000 --> 1:14:47.000 and I say this all the time to my sons 1:14:47.080 --> 1:14:49.000 and all these kids. If you listen to me, I'm 1:14:49.040 --> 1:14:52.479 a cheat sheet through life. So brothers like him, cheeko, 1:14:52.600 --> 1:14:54.639 all these brothers that we have, and you know, even 1:14:54.720 --> 1:14:57.879 the sisters to their knowledge and you know the wisdom 1:14:58.280 --> 1:15:02.080 because they have experiences old necessary at this time that 1:15:02.280 --> 1:15:06.120 brings me to my I don't get it. I don't 1:15:06.120 --> 1:15:08.280 know how you cannot get you know, because no you 1:15:08.360 --> 1:15:09.560 want me to tell you why I don't get it 1:15:11.000 --> 1:15:14.960 when you have brothers like that, right, and you have 1:15:15.520 --> 1:15:21.479 so many people with knowledge in our communities, right when 1:15:21.520 --> 1:15:23.640 I and I think it's really touched me because I 1:15:23.680 --> 1:15:27.439 had a meeting with a lot of anti violence organizations yesterday, 1:15:27.520 --> 1:15:29.680 you know, in regard to this young thirteen and I 1:15:29.800 --> 1:15:33.240 think the word thirteen, right, and when what really hurt 1:15:33.360 --> 1:15:38.120 me was the article read that a thirteen year old 1:15:38.160 --> 1:15:43.080 boy was killed and he was the intended target. Right. 1:15:43.200 --> 1:15:47.360 That means that somebody intentionally It wasn't an accidental. It 1:15:47.479 --> 1:15:51.960 wasn't somebody they went out and ran down to kill 1:15:52.040 --> 1:15:55.160 a thirteen year old board So was the shooter he 1:15:55.200 --> 1:15:58.720 could have been, But I'm that's it's not even just 1:15:58.840 --> 1:16:03.880 the shooter, right, it's the the concept that either of them, 1:16:04.000 --> 1:16:06.760 if they was twelve or eleven, were in a position 1:16:07.960 --> 1:16:11.639 that somebody wanted to take their life. I don't get 1:16:12.160 --> 1:16:16.120 how we as a community allow a thirteen year old 1:16:16.200 --> 1:16:20.320 boy to be so entrenched, so engulfed in the streets. 1:16:21.280 --> 1:16:24.560 Nobody redirected him, nobody grabbed, and nobody did anything. I 1:16:24.640 --> 1:16:29.280 do not get how he did anything that warranted him 1:16:29.400 --> 1:16:32.120 to be murdered and executed by somebody that looked just 1:16:32.280 --> 1:16:34.719 like him, whether he was twelve, whether he was thirteen, 1:16:34.960 --> 1:16:38.320 whether the personal shadow was grown. I don't get that. 1:16:39.000 --> 1:16:40.880 You understand I'm saying. I thought we were supposed to 1:16:40.920 --> 1:16:43.040 protect the babies. I thought there was a code. I 1:16:43.120 --> 1:16:45.880 thought there was rules of engagement. I thought women and 1:16:46.040 --> 1:16:50.200 children were off god, I mean we're off limits, you know. 1:16:50.479 --> 1:16:53.040 And now it's at a point where the thirteen and 1:16:53.120 --> 1:16:55.240 I was having a conversation with my boy Gilly yesterday. 1:16:55.439 --> 1:16:57.760 He said, the shooters is a level and thirteen. Next 1:16:57.840 --> 1:17:00.760 they're gonna be eight. So where's the future If we're 1:17:00.880 --> 1:17:04.400 killing the babies, right, if we ain't golfing the baby, 1:17:04.479 --> 1:17:07.600 we're not good. You're you're grown man. You took it 1:17:07.680 --> 1:17:09.840 over you in this game. You and this lifestyle. You 1:17:09.920 --> 1:17:11.840 made a coneg decision as a grown man. You know 1:17:11.960 --> 1:17:14.599 what comes with this? Why would you bring these babies 1:17:14.640 --> 1:17:18.599 into that? What grown man sat there brought a little 1:17:18.680 --> 1:17:21.679 boy home quote unquote, because that's how you're getting these games. 1:17:22.000 --> 1:17:24.760 What young grown man sat there and said it was 1:17:24.880 --> 1:17:27.200 okay for this thirteen year old boy to be a 1:17:27.240 --> 1:17:28.640 part of the gang where he know he could be. 1:17:30.439 --> 1:17:35.320 Because this is what's the streets are saying. The streets 1:17:35.360 --> 1:17:37.120 are saying, the streets are saying that he was a 1:17:37.200 --> 1:17:39.280 part of the gang and he was in this lifestyle. 1:17:39.600 --> 1:17:43.120 My thing is, how how are we allowing that? How 1:17:43.360 --> 1:17:45.519 who's saying who's sitting there and saying, oh yo, you 1:17:45.600 --> 1:17:47.320 know what, this young boy right here here part of 1:17:47.360 --> 1:17:49.080 our again. You're gonna be a shooter. You're gonna be this. 1:17:49.280 --> 1:17:51.400 We're gonna bring you into this. We're gonna let you 1:17:51.520 --> 1:17:53.760 risk your life. We're gonna we're saying that your life 1:17:53.880 --> 1:17:55.640 is over right now. We're not even gonna give you 1:17:55.760 --> 1:17:58.400 the chance because we're grown man, we're here, we know 1:17:58.520 --> 1:18:00.840 what comes with this. But they say that the gangs 1:18:00.880 --> 1:18:03.479 are getting younger and younger. Right, just talked about right, 1:18:03.560 --> 1:18:06.519 the right so, and if you listen to Kaem, he's 1:18:06.560 --> 1:18:09.840 saying when he was thirteen or at that age, like 1:18:10.080 --> 1:18:12.000 he was let he was in the street. So the 1:18:12.160 --> 1:18:16.919 question is it are the older people, the older gang members, 1:18:17.320 --> 1:18:22.160 facilitating these that the younger ones are just starting their 1:18:22.240 --> 1:18:26.080 own pop ups. Now I'm asking this as a what 1:18:26.200 --> 1:18:29.920 do you call it? It's like a like Devil's advocate question, right, 1:18:30.000 --> 1:18:34.600 Like maybe they're just younger gangs that are sparks. But 1:18:34.680 --> 1:18:37.040 I remember when I was young and I lived in 1:18:37.080 --> 1:18:40.519 the projects in Manhattanville, there was a young boy who 1:18:40.640 --> 1:18:44.679 might have been eleven, maybe maybe ten eleven. I believe 1:18:44.720 --> 1:18:47.439 he started somewhere around ten years old. Now, my mom 1:18:47.600 --> 1:18:50.840 used to say that child is ten years old down there, 1:18:50.840 --> 1:18:52.560 and then you know, he could have been fourteen, but 1:18:53.120 --> 1:18:55.439 she said he was tending to make the story punch 1:18:55.560 --> 1:18:58.559 real good. But let's just say he was twelve thirteen 1:18:58.640 --> 1:19:03.040 years old. He was the one who was responsible for 1:19:03.280 --> 1:19:07.080 being down at this one particular place holding the drugs. 1:19:07.800 --> 1:19:11.000 Everybody could go down there to him and they would 1:19:11.160 --> 1:19:13.800 he would direct going the building, do this, do that. 1:19:14.000 --> 1:19:17.440 He was the one moving all the drugs. The precinct 1:19:17.680 --> 1:19:20.719 was across the street. They could look out the window 1:19:20.920 --> 1:19:23.120 and watch what he was doing right there in the 1:19:23.320 --> 1:19:27.360 center of the project all day. He stayed outside all day. Now, 1:19:27.439 --> 1:19:30.920 mice when deep today these kids be looking dingy and 1:19:31.000 --> 1:19:34.880 toe up. At that time, he was suiting. He was 1:19:35.000 --> 1:19:38.040 a clean young man that was out there on and 1:19:38.120 --> 1:19:40.200 we were passed by see him all the time, just 1:19:40.320 --> 1:19:43.960 sitting out there running operation at a young young age. 1:19:44.000 --> 1:19:45.720 So this has been going on for I'm not saying 1:19:45.800 --> 1:19:48.360 that hasn't. What I'm trying to say is, regardless of 1:19:48.439 --> 1:19:51.960 how long it's happening, it's completely wrong. As an adult one, 1:19:52.560 --> 1:19:55.920 I was blessed to have O G's around that. When 1:19:55.960 --> 1:19:58.040 I tried to get into the game at that young 1:19:58.080 --> 1:19:59.439 when I was like I wanted to, I was like, man, 1:19:59.439 --> 1:20:01.240 if you don't go to school, if you don't go 1:20:01.320 --> 1:20:03.680 play basketball, you played Basketb're gonna buy We're gonna send 1:20:03.680 --> 1:20:06.519 you to camp. We're gonna buy you. What's that that 1:20:07.160 --> 1:20:10.600 that means that they said, Richard, Yeah, she didn't have 1:20:10.680 --> 1:20:19.440 no O G. Because exactly, and that's that's what community 1:20:19.880 --> 1:20:22.680 used to look like. Right there was always the thing 1:20:22.800 --> 1:20:26.200 is we we can't allow as grown, especially as men. 1:20:26.360 --> 1:20:31.080 For me, we cannot allow these kids to be preyed upon. Well, 1:20:31.120 --> 1:20:33.280 I remember a young person came to me talking about 1:20:33.320 --> 1:20:35.879 being part of the game and somebody you love, somebody 1:20:35.920 --> 1:20:37.519 that I care about a lot, you know, And he 1:20:37.600 --> 1:20:39.080 was like, yo, I want to be a part of game. 1:20:39.120 --> 1:20:41.560 And they said, I'm good. And he was fifteen, and 1:20:41.760 --> 1:20:44.000 I'm like a gang. If you don't get out of here. 1:20:44.320 --> 1:20:47.240 I wish somebody would. I wish I would find out 1:20:47.280 --> 1:20:51.160 that's one of these. But that but that's where the 1:20:51.280 --> 1:20:53.760 problem is, because you know what you triggered me just 1:20:53.920 --> 1:20:56.880 now when you said especially as men, right, I heard that, 1:20:57.000 --> 1:20:59.519 and I know you're right because I believe men this 1:20:59.680 --> 1:21:02.240 is a this and I and you know, we've had 1:21:02.280 --> 1:21:06.000 some arguments because Erica and I and other women will 1:21:06.040 --> 1:21:08.920 be fighting with you all about men not respecting us 1:21:09.040 --> 1:21:11.360 in the gun violence space the way that we should. 1:21:11.800 --> 1:21:14.320 But as I've been listening to these stories today, I 1:21:14.520 --> 1:21:17.639 recognized that women have a role and men have a role, 1:21:17.760 --> 1:21:21.240 and the role of our men in this is deep 1:21:21.600 --> 1:21:27.040 and it's serious, right, And so what triggered me was, well, well, 1:21:27.720 --> 1:21:30.720 you said, what men, what are we supposed to be doing? 1:21:31.479 --> 1:21:34.200 And then I thought to myself, damn, I wonder if 1:21:34.280 --> 1:21:35.880 the young boy who was down there it was the 1:21:35.960 --> 1:21:40.360 call the flagpole in the project. I wonder if he 1:21:40.520 --> 1:21:44.120 had a mother. I wonder if his mother was on crack. 1:21:44.680 --> 1:21:48.200 He might have been selling drugs to his mother. Like 1:21:48.680 --> 1:21:52.200 who was there? Possibly nobody, And that's what I'm trying 1:21:52.240 --> 1:21:55.240 to say. And the fact that and if if there 1:21:55.360 --> 1:21:58.320 was nobody there, that means that those elder people took 1:21:58.360 --> 1:22:00.760 advantage of them. They put him in a position to 1:22:00.840 --> 1:22:02.920 where he already risked his freedom in his life, and 1:22:02.920 --> 1:22:05.599 they didn't kid what king with that? You know, anybody 1:22:05.680 --> 1:22:08.439 that allowed him to be out there this flagpole and 1:22:08.600 --> 1:22:11.360 and risk his life and thought it was cool. Pretty 1:22:11.439 --> 1:22:13.880 much said that I had young boys with my kids. 1:22:14.000 --> 1:22:16.280 He was a good basketball player, young dude. He was 1:22:16.400 --> 1:22:19.000 nice and basketball and a lot of He tried to 1:22:19.040 --> 1:22:20.840 do a lot of negative things. And I remember the 1:22:20.920 --> 1:22:22.559 old g s that was getting money. They took him 1:22:22.640 --> 1:22:25.080 under their wing, brought him into his house, moved him 1:22:25.120 --> 1:22:27.640 into him, started trying to send in the basketball kid. 1:22:27.720 --> 1:22:31.599 They kept him alive, you understanding, he still was doing 1:22:31.640 --> 1:22:33.559 a lot of things. They would, but they made sure 1:22:33.600 --> 1:22:35.680 that he was alive. They put him, they gave him 1:22:35.720 --> 1:22:39.519 so many different opportunities, you know, and he's still alive today. 1:22:39.600 --> 1:22:41.760 And he and at thirteen he could have lost his 1:22:41.880 --> 1:22:43.840 life even though he went through some trials, he went 1:22:44.040 --> 1:22:45.840 got in cars ray and all that. But he's still 1:22:45.880 --> 1:22:50.599 alive today. Well not really, but you know, close anyway, 1:22:50.960 --> 1:22:54.439 it could be, it could similar similars, a lot of 1:22:54.479 --> 1:22:58.920 similarities in the situation. But another great episode. You know, 1:22:59.000 --> 1:23:02.640 I want to say thank you, yes and poort episode. Man. 1:23:02.720 --> 1:23:05.560 You know, look, we've we've taken the time to go 1:23:05.720 --> 1:23:09.000 to some real, real life things. You know. Gun violence 1:23:09.080 --> 1:23:12.000 is rampant in America right now, especially in our communities, 1:23:12.320 --> 1:23:13.800 and we want to focus on that. We want to 1:23:13.840 --> 1:23:16.920 give you every aspect, you know, as part of the 1:23:17.000 --> 1:23:19.519 people who are actually being harmed, to people who have 1:23:19.920 --> 1:23:22.720 actually been a part of the harming, and those who 1:23:22.800 --> 1:23:26.439 are building to wrap around services and just just knowing 1:23:26.479 --> 1:23:29.000 what it takes to try to you know, build and 1:23:29.800 --> 1:23:33.120 say I don't know what to do when you do 1:23:33.280 --> 1:23:35.960 as boycott black murder, you know what I'm saying, And 1:23:36.240 --> 1:23:38.800 that's that's that's the movement right now. So I just 1:23:38.880 --> 1:23:41.559 want to say thank you ta Chico, you know, thank 1:23:41.600 --> 1:23:45.560 you to Kareem for for being here and and with 1:23:45.720 --> 1:23:49.200 that we're off. Man. Look like I always say, Man, 1:23:49.320 --> 1:23:52.360 I'm not gonna always be right. Tamik is not gonna 1:23:52.360 --> 1:23:55.840 always be wrong, but we will both always and I 1:23:55.960 --> 1:24:03.760 mean always be authentic piece Number one podcast. That's how 1:24:03.880 --> 1:24:04.400 we own it.