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Speaker 1: Robinson Sean, he's overtaken Saquon Barkley in most spots. My

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Speaker 1: question to you is does he actually have a safer

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Speaker 1: workload than Barkley despite the presence of Tyler Algier. Last year,

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Speaker 1: Bijon was at three hundred and sixty five touches Algier

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Speaker 1: uh in terms of the touches, though, what say you, Yeah, I.

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Speaker 2: Think that's that's a great way to set it up, because, yeah,

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Speaker 2: Algier kind of prevents Bijeon from having a more you know,

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Speaker 2: that could be the case again this year, where you know,

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Speaker 2: Algier plays seventeen games and we've seen Bijon can still

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Speaker 2: think with Bijeon, you know, surpassing Barkley as RB one

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Speaker 2: just the fact that Bijon is in his literal prime

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Speaker 2: We'll talk about Barkley in a second. I still have

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Barkley probably has a lower floor just

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Speaker 1: RB three, he is seeing more reps outside reportedly at camp,

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Speaker 1: magnificent season last year. How I mean, he's gonna be

428
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Speaker 1: thirty two by the time this season and crazy at

429
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Speaker 1: some point Father Time has to catch up to him,

430
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Speaker 1: especially just giving you know the body type and you

431
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Speaker 1: know the physical nature of the NFL. I mean, you

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Speaker 1: would think it's going to be a pretty steep cliff

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Speaker 1: when Henry does start falling off. But you think he

434
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Speaker 1: has another I mean nineteen twenty one in terms of

435
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Speaker 1: the yardage last year, nearly two thousand yards and sixteen

436
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Speaker 1: touchdown on time from the league lead. You think he

437
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Speaker 1: has another one of those in him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think he has at least one more.

439
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Speaker 2: And then that's all we care about this year, right

440
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Speaker 2: And I think it was even back in like the

441
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Speaker 2: Freedman days on this pod, I said, just don't bet

442
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Speaker 2: against Derrick Henry. Eventually I'll be wrong, but at that

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Speaker 2: point I'll be like nine for ten to ninety percent.

444
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Speaker 2: So I'm going to keep riding Henry till the wheels

445
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Speaker 2: fall off. He's my rbfore right now. And you know,

446
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Speaker 2: last year I was talking about how many more touchdowns

447
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Speaker 2: he would have scored in the Ravens offense versus the

448
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Speaker 2: Titans in twenty twenty three, and you know, sure enough,

449
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 2: he tied a career high eighteen touchdowns last season. And

450
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Speaker 2: I think this is something you've touched on. But you know,

451
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Speaker 2: Lamar is an elite runner obviously, but near the goal line,

452
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Speaker 2: they don't really lean. He doesn't use his legs much.

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Speaker 2: I know you've taken his under on his rushing prop.

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Speaker 1: Money Usually every year, yeah, usually he's.

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Speaker 2: Worse, you know, three to four rushing touchdowns, which people

456
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Speaker 2: you know don't really know. So you know, Henry just

457
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Speaker 2: has you know, every single goal line touch in this offense.

458
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Speaker 2: And it's elite offense. So uh, this is just the

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Speaker 2: dream spot for Henry. So yeah, I mean, the age

460
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Speaker 2: is going to catch up. It always does, but he's

461
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Speaker 2: sort of defying that.

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Speaker 1: Is that a siren I'm hear in the back. Oh no,

463
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Speaker 1: that is that siren. No, no, Henry, knock him down,

464
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Speaker 1: knock him down, just bump. Let's god, damn it. Well,

465
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Speaker 1: it's gonna happen, event I still think it will.

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Speaker 2: Ignoring the Tirns on this, it's not gonna happen this

467
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Speaker 2: Please don't exactly, but you know, I think that, you know,

468
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Speaker 2: he is going to start to decline. I mean, he's

469
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Speaker 2: in his early thirties, but I think just the move

470
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Speaker 2: to the elite offense and the Ravens will kind of

471
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Speaker 2: help soften the decline like we saw last year. I

472
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Speaker 2: just think having you know, defense is having to worry

473
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Speaker 2: about Lamar just opens things up for Henry a ton,

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Speaker 2: So I think that kind of helped sets offsets things.

475
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Speaker 2: But if you watch him last year, he looks every

476
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Speaker 2: bit as good as he did earlier in his career. He's,

477
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Speaker 2: you know, a beast, and he takes excellent care of

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Speaker 2: his body. So I think that if there's anybody that

479
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Speaker 2: can defy age curves, it's Derrick Henry.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's my ARBI six, So I'm I'm I'm higher

481
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Speaker 1: on him than McCaffrey.

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Speaker 2: I think same.

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Speaker 1: He just watching them just kind of putting everything together.

484
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Speaker 1: I just feel a lot better about the floor with Henry.

485
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Speaker 1: Now it's still low, and I do think that something

486
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Speaker 1: that goes a little bit overlooked with Henry is he

487
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Speaker 1: could get off to a slow start relatively speaking, because

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Speaker 1: the Ravens start at Buffalo, then they got Cleveland, which okay,

489
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 1: but then Detroit at case Houston rams By, So you

490
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 1: got in the first seven weeks of the season, you

491
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 1: gotta buy and five matchups with a game script might

492
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:54,399
Speaker 1: not be a Henry game script necessarily, So that is

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Speaker 1: something to kind of keep in mind with him, because

494
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Speaker 1: you know, when you're drafting a guy that high, you

495
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 1: want him to hit the ground running and yeah, you know,

496
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Speaker 1: kind of.

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Speaker 2: Go from there.

498
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Speaker 1: Maybe if you feel like he's gonna drop off, you

499
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 1: can trade him or whatever or not. But that's that

500
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Speaker 1: is a little bit concerning. But ultimately there's been no

501
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Speaker 1: sign yet of a real decline for for Henry, so

502
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 1: not really you can't really knock him too much for

503
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Speaker 1: for the age gent's next up. I mean, this guy,

504
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 1: I don't remember a college prospect that I've just been

505
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 1: this sure about. I mean, just watching him, you could

506
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 1: just tell that he's gonna be a beast in the NFL.

507
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 1: But I guess the only thing is now, you know,

508
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 1: going in the top six zero track record that that

509
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 1: could make some people queasy. I mean, lay out the case.

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Speaker 1: How high is his floor does he get? Uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: is he like a true three three down back if

512
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Speaker 1: he comes out on some passing downs, doesn't even matter

513
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Speaker 1: break it down.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think his floor is still you know, a

515
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Speaker 2: top ten back if he stays healthy, because on day

516
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 2: one he should be a workhorse back where he's taking

517
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 2: pretty much every snap again, if somebody comes in to

518
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 2: do a pass blocking snap, we don't care about those.

519
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 2: But he's a true three down back. You know, he

520
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 2: could be an excellent pass catching back, obviously a great

521
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 2: early down back. So I think he's gonna get every

522
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Speaker 2: snap he can handle, which is rare this day and age.

523
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Speaker 2: And he's a generational prospect, So he's somebody I'm willing

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Speaker 2: to invest in day one. The only knock I would

525
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 2: have on him is outside of his control. He's on

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Speaker 2: the Raiders. You know, they're expected to be a below

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Speaker 2: average offense in terms of points per game, so you know,

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Speaker 2: the odds of him scoring double digit touchdowns might be

529
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 2: slightly less than fifty to fifty. But I think that

530
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Speaker 2: you know, Gino Smith taking over, and you have you know,

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Speaker 2: Pete Carroll, Chip Kelly taking over, that Brock powers John

532
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 2: tay Thornton's pretty good. I just think this offense could

533
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Speaker 2: surprise and that can only help genty and obviously he's

534
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Speaker 2: a part of that. So I think just the only

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Speaker 2: really thing that I have in my projections that he's

536
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Speaker 2: not lead in is his touch on upside, but that

537
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 2: could change if the Raiders' offense is really good. This year.

538
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 2: So I'd say his floor is top ten if he

539
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 2: stays healthy, just based on volume, but his ceiling is

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Speaker 2: you know, RB one overall. Why not even as a rookie.

541
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Speaker 2: He has the talent to do it. So that's why

542
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Speaker 2: you know, anytime I can get him inside the top five,

543
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Speaker 2: I have Henry and Genty as my four or five.

544
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Speaker 2: I have him over McCaffrey. I think you gotta do it.

545
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Speaker 2: I think he's a safe bet for the first round

546
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Speaker 2: with you know upside that we don't even know what

547
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Speaker 2: it is yet. So I love taking Genty. If he

548
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Speaker 2: does faults to me in the first round.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's my RB four. I feel better about him

550
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Speaker 1: and all these old guys like if I'm looking at

551
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Speaker 1: these like with even as crazy as it sounds, taking Henry,

552
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Speaker 1: taking McCaffrey, I know that there's going to be a

553
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Speaker 1: range of outcomes, you know, X amount of time X

554
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Speaker 1: percentage of time if you played the season a thousand

555
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 1: times or whatever, where I'm gonna regret it, whereas I don't.

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Speaker 1: I think that percentage is gonna be a lot more.

557
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Speaker 1: With Jens, I'm just not gonna regret it. Maybe he'll

558
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 1: get hurt or something, and you know, something unforeseen, but

559
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 1: there's not really anything else. And I feel like, to

560
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 1: your point, the market is projecting the Raiders is like

561
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Speaker 1: this bottom five scoring offense where I mean there, I

562
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 1: guess their biggest weaknesses are what maybe a spot or

563
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 1: two on the O line and uh, the you know,

564
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 1: the back end of their like they're there, who's gonna

565
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,959
Speaker 1: be their wide receiver? Two? Three? But I mean they

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Speaker 1: got some they got some talent. Jacoby Myers still there

567
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 1: if Thornton hints, uh, you know, Tucker's got some speed. Uh,

568
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Speaker 1: Bowers obviously is really your slot receiver, so that might

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Speaker 1: be moot any way, And then you do got I

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Speaker 1: think the one, especially on the left side, is pretty

571
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 1: pretty solid. So it really we could be underestimating this

572
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 1: offense greatly because Gino he's had some some pretty good

573
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Speaker 1: seasons and he could he could at least be a

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Speaker 1: league average, if not above offense, or lead a league

575
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Speaker 1: average offense. So yeah, I feel really good about gents.

576
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Speaker 1: I agree his his ceiling is RB going overall, and

577
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Speaker 1: unlike some of these other guys, doesn't really have any

578
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Speaker 1: of that that wear and tear. So I have no

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Speaker 1: reservations about taking Ashton genty. All right, now that we

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Speaker 1: Christop McCaffrey, Derrick Henry, Ashton Gent. Looking at those top

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Speaker 1: six running backs, who sticks out as the biggest riser

586
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Speaker 1: this year and who's missing from last season as the

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Speaker 1: biggest faller?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd say the biggest riser has to be Derrick

589
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Speaker 2: Henry who went from RB ten last year up to

590
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Speaker 2: RB five this year, and who of all people in

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Speaker 2: their thirties would see their stock go up other than

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Speaker 2: Derrick Henry. And for the fallers, I'd say the biggest

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Speaker 2: faller has to be Breecee Hall going from RB three

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Speaker 2: last year down to like you know, high end RB two,

595
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Speaker 2: but RB fourteen we've seen his stock really fall over

596
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 2: the past year, so Breese Hall has to be the

597
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Speaker 2: biggest faller for sure.

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Speaker 1: RB seven DVN eight Chan. So he's been in the

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Speaker 1: news a little bit. Uh, we're hearing that. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he got called out by who was a Tyreek Hills

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Speaker 1: and I don't know if he's big enough to be

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Speaker 1: the goal lineback. At the same time, McDaniel has said,

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Speaker 1: a Chan's gonna see a step up and roll now

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Speaker 1: with no Mostered on the roster, no Jeff Wilson on

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Speaker 1: the roster. So can he take advantage of what is

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Speaker 1: probably gonna be a massive workload with a ton of

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Speaker 1: receiving work yet again, or with an offensive line holding back?

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Speaker 1: Will he not get that goal line work? I know

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Speaker 1: they got Madison there, who I guess is kind of

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Speaker 1: profiles as more. H got twelve the seventeen running back

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Speaker 1: carries intether the five last season and scored just three times.

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Speaker 1: And then the year before that his rookie year, and

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Speaker 1: he was in and out of the lineup a little bit.

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Speaker 1: But just four carries inside the five of the twenty

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Speaker 1: five backfield carries that Miami had in scoring position, but

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Speaker 1: he scored in three of those four. So I mean

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Speaker 1: he hasn't necessarily been a bad goal line back. I

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Speaker 1: think the sample was too small to really determine that.

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Speaker 1: But how are you treating h Chan just given that

642
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 1: he has been kind of buzzing a little bit.

643
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I think han last year was maybe the

644
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 2: trickiest projection or rank for me at running back. He

645
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 2: was really difficult to project because we knew we were

646
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 2: gonna see, you know, an increase in volume, but there

647
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 2: was no way he would be able to maintain that efficiency.

648
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 2: And sure enough he saw over you know, twice as

649
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 2: many touches and his efficiency you know, fell way off.

650
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 2: But when you look through the season, a lot of

651
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 2: it really wasn't his fault because he did suffer that

652
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,240
Speaker 2: high ankle injury back in week one and he played

653
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 2: through it so that you know, robbed his efficiency a bit.

654
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 2: And then Tua missed weeks three through seven where the

655
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 2: offense completely fell apart. That wasn't his fault and the

656
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 2: offensive line just stuck. So when you look at like

657
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 2: the efficiency on you know, short yards work things like that,

658
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 2: ah Chan didn't do that bad. Everybody did bad. So

659
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 2: I think it's more of an offensive problem. So, taking

660
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 2: your point and Tyreek Hill's point, yeah, if you know

661
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 2: Madison or Jalen Wright end up taking the goal line work.

662
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 2: I don't know if it even matters for h Chan

663
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 2: because he's not really banking a ton on you know,

664
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:42,839
Speaker 2: rushing scores. For fantasy production, it's all about, you know,

665
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 2: catching passes and even receiving touchdowns. So I think for

666
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 2: a Chan to provide value here, he just has to

667
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 2: stay healthy and be the focal point of the passing offense.

668
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 2: And I think with that, moving on from John new Smith,

669
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 2: I think he could see even more targets because of that.

670
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 2: So I still like a Chan in the top ten.

671
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 2: And the one thing I would caution with him is

672
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:12,240
Speaker 2: with all Dolphins skill players is if tu of miss

673
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 2: is time, everybody's value takes a big hit a Chan.

674
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 2: He averaged the fifty fourth most points per game in

675
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 2: the four or five weeks. When two is out, that's

676
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 2: not good. So with the added risk of you know,

677
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 2: a Chan put toutioning missing time, which is you know,

678
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 2: every running back, you also have to worry about to

679
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 2: a missing time, which is obviously concern. So I like

680
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 2: a Chan the talent and the situation, and you know,

681
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 2: my medium production has him here. But in this you know,

682
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 2: early stage of the draft, I am a bit concerned

683
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 2: of just how the offense looks without Tua. So that's

684
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:54,879
Speaker 2: kind of a red flag for me with a Chan

685
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 2: where you know his his rank should be around here,

686
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 2: but you got to be careful just because there is

687
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 2: the hidden floor for him in the entire offense. If

688
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 2: to a Dozmus time.

689
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:08,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm astually not as concerned. I think he's a

690
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 1: little bit andy fragile in that way, and in the

691
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:15,360
Speaker 1: sense that yes, last year he didn't play or he

692
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 1: didn't score nearly as much without Tua, but they were

693
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 1: still kind of determining his role, like he wasn't in

694
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 1: final form through that throughout the season, like they were

695
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:28,840
Speaker 1: kind of determining what his role was going to be,

696
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,919
Speaker 1: especially in the passing game. I think this year if

697
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:35,319
Speaker 1: you kind of look at, okay moving on from John

698
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 1: new Smith who got one hundred and eleven targets and

699
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 1: eighty eight catches last season, well Chan got eighty seven

700
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 1: targets seventy eight catches. If two is out, a Chan

701
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 1: is just getting the ball all the time, Like it's

702
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 1: just like that's just the guy that's easiest to get

703
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 1: the ball to because we know even when two is

704
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 1: in there, it's been harder to get the ball to

705
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 1: Jaylen Waddow. Ever since his defense has kind of figured

706
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 1: him out and you know, started taking away certain passing

707
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 1: wanes and certain things. And then we saw what happened

708
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:09,879
Speaker 1: with Tyreek Hill and how it's it's you know, even

709
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 1: with Hill being healthy for the entire season or being

710
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 1: out there for the entire season, you know, he's getting older.

711
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 1: It's not going to necessarily be as easy to get

712
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 1: the ball to him given the type of ways that

713
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 1: you want to get him the ball. So I think

714
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 1: a chan this year like McDaniel no, I mean, he

715
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 1: has no Johner to fall back on it. Like last year,

716
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 1: you know you had that was his other short area

717
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:37,320
Speaker 1: guy where John who was averaging just ten yards per catch,

718
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:39,360
Speaker 1: so he was doing a lot as kind of another

719
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 1: one of those guys close to the line of scrimmage.

720
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 1: You don't really have that this year. I mean, Darren,

721
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 1: with all due respect to Darren Waller, this is a

722
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:49,279
Speaker 1: guy who got you know, called up, called on for

723
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 1: one blocking assign and decided he wanted to retire. And

724
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:54,879
Speaker 1: now he's back. But he's on the pup again, I mean,

725
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 1: because he's not in football shape yet. So I think

726
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:01,359
Speaker 1: Chan the worst it gets in Miami, and more likely

727
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 1: it is that he just pushes for one hundred plus

728
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:06,880
Speaker 1: catches and kind of makes up for whatever he's not

729
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:09,879
Speaker 1: doing in the run game. And we know he still

730
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 1: has like now, it's kind of where we could just

731
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 1: be underrating his rushing upside because remember, he has the

732
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:20,720
Speaker 1: upside to average Jamier Gibbs like Nick Chubb early career

733
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 1: like yard per carrier. We saw that in his rookie

734
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:27,359
Speaker 1: year when he carried one hundred three times for eight

735
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 1: hundred yards. That's seven point eight yards into town. Last

736
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 1: year he was around on league average at four and

737
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:34,799
Speaker 1: a half. So I'm not really concerned at all by

738
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:37,319
Speaker 1: each and he's twenty four. They let go of all

739
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 1: the running backs that were kind of in his way.

740
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 1: I think that's he's he has. He's another one. He

741
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 1: could have a Gibbs like season this year, probably not

742
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 1: because the Dolphins won't be as good, but that's his

743
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 1: kind of upside. I think too, like he has that

744
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 1: kind of talent. So yeah, yeah, I'm feel good about

745
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 1: eight Chan. I'm not letting the buzz kind of tucked

746
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:56,720
Speaker 1: me off.

747
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:01,399
Speaker 2: Dictate my projections, but he's he certainly we haven't talked

748
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 2: about it, but we're talking about half PPR. He is

749
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 2: certainly a running back where it depends how many points

750
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:10,760
Speaker 2: a reception is. So if you're a league it's zero

751
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 2: points per reception. I don't know why you're playing in

752
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,799
Speaker 2: that format, but if it is, he takes a big

753
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 2: hit and if you get a full point for reception, again,

754
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 2: I don't know why you'd playing that. For me. I

755
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:24,320
Speaker 2: love half PPR. You know, he gets a massive boost

756
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:28,399
Speaker 2: in full PPR, but in half PPR I'm right around here.

757
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 1: Jonathan Taylor next up. He's eighth in Yahoo's ranks. He's

758
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 1: round the same in eightyp and last season fourteen games,

759
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 1: three hundred and three carries over fourteen hundred yards, eleven

760
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 1: rushing touchdowns, added another one thirty six and a touchdown

761
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:52,319
Speaker 1: through the air. I mean, what really changes in twenty

762
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 1: twenty five? I guess you lost Kelly at the center position,

763
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:59,319
Speaker 1: But I mean, yeah, the quarterback situation was bad last years,

764
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:01,360
Speaker 1: but it's gonna be back this year. I added a

765
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 1: receiving weapon, but I mean terrast seems a little bit

766
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 1: swept on and not quite as risky as some of

767
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 1: the guys that go ahead of him. What do you

768
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 1: think of Taylor this year?

769
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's a good way to put it,

770
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:16,360
Speaker 2: because again, in this range, we are more concerned about

771
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 2: floor and safety, and I think Taylor provides that. He's

772
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:24,799
Speaker 2: you know, one of the true workhorses left where he

773
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:28,840
Speaker 2: rarely comes off the field. The backup doesn't matter, like

774
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 2: they're not going to eat in his workload. They're only

775
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,239
Speaker 2: going to come in to give him a breather. And

776
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 2: last year he you know, he averaged eight most points

777
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 2: per game and his ADP reflects that. I'm projecting him

778
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 2: right around there this year. So he offers a solid,

779
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 2: solid weekly floor. I think people are shyed away because

780
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:49,760
Speaker 2: you know, his ceiling might be a bit cap because

781
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 2: he doesn't produce much as a pass catcher, and you

782
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:58,279
Speaker 2: know he's cap just with the offense being lackluster with

783
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 2: you know, whether it's Anthony Richardson Daniel Jones under center,

784
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:04,840
Speaker 2: but both quarterbacks, you know they're more than capable for

785
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:07,840
Speaker 2: rushing in for a touchdown near the goal line. So

786
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 2: that does sort of limit Taylor's rushing touchdown upside. And

787
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 2: also you know Tyler Warren, their first round pick at

788
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 2: tight end, he's been getting some reps, some short yards reps.

789
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 2: He did that in college at Penn State. He had

790
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:26,319
Speaker 2: a handful of short yards touchdowns. So they might have

791
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:29,320
Speaker 2: a trick player too with him vulturing away a Jonathan

792
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 2: Taylor touchdown. But outside of that, Taylor offers a steady floor.

793
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 2: And it's weird because he used to be, you know,

794
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 2: a top three back in fantasy, but now he's kind

795
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 2: of this unsexy, safe guy. But that's kind of what

796
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:46,240
Speaker 2: we want in this range. So I'm more than okay

797
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:49,879
Speaker 2: taking Taylor. I'd say RB eight might be a bit high,

798
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 2: but sometimes he falls to RB nine to ten. I

799
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 2: think that's a great range to take him. There's really

800
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 2: no question marks on his floor. If anything, he just

801
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:01,479
Speaker 2: his ceiling's a bit. But even then, we've seen him

802
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 2: produce as an elite back. So I'm more than okay

803
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:06,800
Speaker 2: taking JT in this range.

804
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's he's a floor play. I don't mind about all.

805
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 1: He's still a top ten back. I do have him

806
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 1: as RB nine, but I'd much rather, you know, take

807
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 1: him and pass on like that that McCaffrey Henry tier

808
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 1: like if I'm in that position in the draft. So

809
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 1: I think Taylor represents a good value floor wise here.

810
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 1: Again that's what that is what you're looking for, and

811
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 1: I guess it's it's just kind of hard to envision

812
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 1: him producing a better season than he had last year.

813
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 1: But the offense could be better, the schedule isn't terribly difficult,

814
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 1: and he'll probably be he is going to be the

815
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 1: focal point. So yeah, and he has west injury concern,

816
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 1: so I'm it's hard to really it's hard to really

817
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:55,359
Speaker 1: poke any holes. Yeah, in Taylor's game this year. So yeah,

818
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 1: I think he's very safe pick and that's what you're

819
00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 1: looking for at this point in the draft. So again,

820
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 1: I think with a lot of these running back ranks,

821
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 1: you know some of them we are different from consensus.

822
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 1: Like I know I'm lower McCaffrey, but I think a

823
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 1: lot of it is, you know, the interplay between are

824
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 1: you taking a running back? Are you taking a receiver?

825
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 1: Just don't get overconfident based on last year either. So

826
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 1: that's why I think I like I like when we

827
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,879
Speaker 1: started getting into the A chins and the tailors because

828
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 1: that usually means you got a receiver in round one

829
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 1: and you could still get a running back with RB

830
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:34,800
Speaker 1: one overall upside, which I do think tailor means retains

831
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:40,240
Speaker 1: RB nine. Josh Jacobs, now, he's an interesting case because

832
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 1: on the surface you can't really poke any holes in

833
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:48,399
Speaker 1: his game, but just under eighteen carris per game last

834
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 1: year and another two point one catches, so about twenty

835
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:58,400
Speaker 1: touches per game, sixty three percent snap rate. It was

836
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 1: an extremely run heavy offense though, so we do expect

837
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 1: some past volume regression for the Packers. They did seem

838
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 1: to They do seem to be loading up on guys

839
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 1: who can line up in the backfield, like you talk

840
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 1: about Savion Williams, their third round pick. Jaden Reid can

841
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 1: do it. Obviously. Marshaun Lloyd, if he's not just a

842
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 1: figment of our imagination, is another one of these chess pieces.

843
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:23,879
Speaker 1: So they have a bunch of these kind of chess

844
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:28,439
Speaker 1: pieces to where the run the traditional running back doesn't

845
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 1: always have to get carries in it, and of course

846
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 1: the backup quarterback as well. So is there kind of

847
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:37,319
Speaker 1: a lower floor than meets the eye or do you

848
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 1: have no concerns about Jacobs.

849
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 2: Yes, it's a mixed bag, because I think he is

850
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 2: a high floor option, but I think we are kind

851
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 2: of buying high on him because, like he laid out,

852
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:50,240
Speaker 2: like last year was a ceiling case for him, where

853
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 2: he finished as the RB five. It was an excellent season,

854
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 2: but he played all seventeen games, he was healthy, the

855
00:47:57,160 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 2: entire season, had over three hundred care and the Packers

856
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 2: were ultra run heavy. They were more run heavy than

857
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 2: the Eagles, I believe, So that likely changes this year

858
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 2: with you know, Jordan Love healthy. He was playing banged

859
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:15,360
Speaker 2: up early on last year, and you know they drafted

860
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 2: finally a first round wide receiver in Matthew Golden, so

861
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 2: that could hint they just intend to be more pass

862
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 2: heavy this year. So it's probably not going to be

863
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 2: the same pristine environment for Jacobs to put up top

864
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 2: five numbers. So I just think that again we're probably

865
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 2: buying high on him, where yeah, he's probably going to

866
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 2: finish in the ten to fifteen range if he stays healthy.

867
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 2: But I think last year was the ceiling case, and

868
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 2: I'll be more willing to take the guy we're going

869
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 2: to talk about next. But I think in this range

870
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 2: when Jacobs is being drafted, you'll usually have like a

871
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:55,920
Speaker 2: Lad McConkey, Tyreek Hill or T Higgins fall to you,

872
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 2: I think this is a range where I'm still taking

873
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:02,319
Speaker 2: receiver if they followed me. If they're all off the

874
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 2: board and I'm stuck taking Josh Jacobs and Bucky Irving's gone,

875
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 2: that's when I do it. But I seem to be

876
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 2: just a tad lower than Jacobs and the rest of

877
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 2: the market heading end of the season.

878
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, same, I'm at RB twelve with him, So a

879
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:18,479
Speaker 1: couple of guys that we'll talk about next, I would

880
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:20,800
Speaker 1: take over him. But I just want to point out

881
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 1: the context of a guy like Taylor who goes just

882
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:31,440
Speaker 1: above him eighty percent snap rate, Jacobs sixty three percent.

883
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 1: So you see, like low key Jacobs is a guy

884
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 1: who rotates out a little bit more than you would

885
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:43,440
Speaker 1: think because they do use the backup who last year

886
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 1: was Emanuel Wilson, and then they also use a passing

887
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 1: down back who last year was Brooks, and I would think,

888
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:53,319
Speaker 1: you know, they probably want to get Lloyd into that

889
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:56,359
Speaker 1: type of role this year. But either way, this could

890
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 1: that could it could be it's kind of a ceiling

891
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:03,279
Speaker 1: cap or then especially when like we said, he this

892
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:05,920
Speaker 1: packer offense was about as run heavy as you could

893
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:09,839
Speaker 1: be last year, I think Love averaged just under twenty

894
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:14,319
Speaker 1: nine attempts per game, So yeah, I'm not getting too

895
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 1: much of Jacobs. I agree. I think it's by and high.

896
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 1: Bucky Irving RB ten eighteen and a half touches per

897
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 1: game in his final eight games. Do you think he

898
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:31,280
Speaker 1: sustains that usage under new offensive coordinator Josh Grizzard, Because

899
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:34,400
Speaker 1: if he does, I mean, as good as he looked,

900
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 1: he's gonna he's gonna he's gonna finish above dacers at least.

901
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the thing. He's kind of like, h hm

902
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 2: last year where I'm I'm expecting more volume for Bucky,

903
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:49,799
Speaker 2: And you know, last year, I was saying ra Shaun

904
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 2: White was a clear frozen pond back being drafted way

905
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:56,680
Speaker 2: too high in the RB one range, and I didn't

906
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 2: think Bucky was like that good of a prospect. That

907
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:03,880
Speaker 2: just thought he was the best competition White had ever seen.

908
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 2: And sure enough, Bucky was just hashtag really good. And

909
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 2: it was only around like week three or four, like

910
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 2: we saw that flip where it's like, oh shit, Bucky

911
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:18,360
Speaker 2: Irving's like sort of the lead back in this committee.

912
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 2: But when you look at you know, his usage rates,

913
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 2: he has a ways to go where he was only

914
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:29,240
Speaker 2: getting like a thirty five percent routes run rate from

915
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 2: like week seven on, and that's really I thought that

916
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:34,319
Speaker 2: was his skill set coming out of college was like

917
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:38,880
Speaker 2: being a pass catching back and same thing with you know, Carri's.

918
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:42,400
Speaker 2: He was still pretty much splitting work with Rashad White.

919
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 2: So despite that, he was still able to average you know,

920
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 2: RB sixteen and more of a true split with Rashad White.

921
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 2: So I think that you know, the volume should go

922
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:57,879
Speaker 2: up this year, and even if the efficiency takes a hit,

923
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 2: I think that'll help offset it. I think that he's

924
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 2: still Bucky has top five upside. My main concern is

925
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:08,560
Speaker 2: just this Bucks offense won't be as good this year.

926
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 2: I mean, they were really good last year, and you

927
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 2: know they're moving on from Liam Cohen, so the offense

928
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 2: might take a step back. But I still think that

929
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:18,759
Speaker 2: Bucky Irving provides a high floor. I think he's still

930
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:22,880
Speaker 2: going to be heavily used, exceed those eighteen plus touches

931
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 2: you're referring to, but I think we still haven't seen

932
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 2: the ceiling case for him in terms of usage. So

933
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:33,440
Speaker 2: he provides that nice blend of we kind of know

934
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:35,399
Speaker 2: he has a high floor, and we haven't even seen

935
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:38,799
Speaker 2: his ceiling yet, So I'm definitely okay taking him here

936
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 2: at RB ten. I have him as my RB eight

937
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:44,319
Speaker 2: right now, so I actually have him ahead of a

938
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:47,799
Speaker 2: guy like Jacobs. So I think, well, the time to

939
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 2: take Bucky was last year when he was you know,

940
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:53,399
Speaker 2: RB fifty five or whatever. This year, he just has

941
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:55,480
Speaker 2: a little bit of room to go up. But I

942
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 2: think there is a path there for him to you know,

943
00:52:58,719 --> 00:52:59,799
Speaker 2: exceed adp here.

944
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:04,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, he only averaged fifteen touches per game for the

945
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:08,759
Speaker 1: season last year, and he was nearly an RB one

946
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:12,919
Speaker 1: and was an RB one down the stretch, and yeah,

947
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:14,880
Speaker 1: I think he does get up to around that eighteen

948
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 1: touchdres threshold. And I don't even have him increasing his

949
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 1: receiving like routes run rate by much. Yeah, he's still

950
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 1: my RB seven. And the thing with him is he's,

951
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 1: like you said, he's very good, and so when he's

952
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 1: on the field, they're going to targeting he at a

953
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 1: twenty one percent target per route rate. I don't think

954
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:37,880
Speaker 1: that changes too much. And I mean there's even upside

955
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:40,960
Speaker 1: in that area, because yes, the Bucks have a ton

956
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 1: of receivers, but they also have a ton of question

957
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:45,880
Speaker 1: marks at receiver, and it could be a new offense.

958
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:50,520
Speaker 1: I mean this, it could be just it may very

959
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 1: well be just sent the whole offense, hope, just centered

960
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:55,920
Speaker 1: around Buckie. He's the focal point and he has that

961
00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 1: Jamior Gibbs upside as well. I think, just talent wise,

962
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:03,719
Speaker 1: like we've seen it. We've seen it with Chen we've

963
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 1: in his rookie year more so, and then we saw

964
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:08,799
Speaker 1: it with Bucky his rookieyear. So you know, maybe he

965
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 1: has more of like an eight ten year or two.

966
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 1: But I think the floor is high and the ceiling

967
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:17,240
Speaker 1: is is massive, so you have no qualms about taking

968
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:23,560
Speaker 1: Bucky either. Chase Brown, He's he's suddenly I think in

969
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 1: a very interesting spot. Zach Moss, who's kind of I

970
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:30,439
Speaker 1: guess started the year as the one A last year

971
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:33,799
Speaker 1: ended up as the one B because Brown quickly outplayed him,

972
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:37,319
Speaker 1: but then most got hurt and Brown was the only guy.

973
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 1: I mean, they he rarely came off the field, and

974
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:42,960
Speaker 1: if he did it was for past blocking. And they

975
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:45,600
Speaker 1: just brought in a tight end because they have, you know,

976
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 1: eighty six thousand of them on the rostered and no offense,

977
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 1: no offense. Yeah, yeah, man, did you ever where adgend

978
00:54:55,040 --> 00:55:00,440
Speaker 1: a ranking fan with like since yeah, yeah, sa, Like

979
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 1: I think forty two. But I digress. So Chase Brown

980
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:09,920
Speaker 1: behind him on the depth chart Samaj p Ryan. I

981
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:13,239
Speaker 1: mean this is like wow, Like we're still talking about

982
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 1: Samaji p. Rodd in twenty twenty five. And then you

983
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:19,240
Speaker 1: got rookie TODs Brooks and the Bengals under Zach Taylor,

984
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 1: just outside of Brown really haven't seem to be too

985
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:28,759
Speaker 1: interested in playing a lot of their rookies, you know,

986
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 1: in the backfield. Guys like Evans come to mind, and

987
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:34,680
Speaker 1: it just hasn't been much. So maybe Brooks changes that.

988
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:39,600
Speaker 1: But even so, I think we just judging from what

989
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 1: their coaching staff was saying about how Okay, we're gonna

990
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:45,440
Speaker 1: use Brown as much as we can. We're gonna be smart,

991
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:47,239
Speaker 1: but we're gonna use as much as we can. That

992
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:49,840
Speaker 1: translates to me as like, when he's on the field,

993
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 1: he's getting touches and he's probably getting twenty plus a game,

994
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:57,000
Speaker 1: just like he did at times last year. Last year

995
00:55:57,200 --> 00:56:01,799
Speaker 1: ended up with gets under nineteen per game over his

996
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:05,200
Speaker 1: last eight on average, including five and a half targets

997
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:08,080
Speaker 1: on an eighty five percent snap rate, which is pretty

998
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:11,520
Speaker 1: much unheard of. Where are you on on Brown? Is

999
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:14,880
Speaker 1: here any concerns about it, like him holding up or

1000
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:17,400
Speaker 1: the workload or Yeah, I.

1001
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 2: Think there's definitely concerns with him. He definitely sticks out

1002
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:24,480
Speaker 2: as like a frozen pun candidate where he's like below

1003
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:29,000
Speaker 2: average and most metrics. I look at so and he's

1004
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 2: coming off the massive usage from last year because Zach

1005
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 2: Muss went down. But when I look ahead to this year,

1006
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:39,600
Speaker 2: there's really no concerns they cut Zack Moss. I don't

1007
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 2: think Samaj Piron or Taj Brooks will be a threat

1008
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:46,279
Speaker 2: to his workload even if he struggles. So he kind

1009
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:50,279
Speaker 2: of reminds me of pre Bucky Irving Rashad White if

1010
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:53,239
Speaker 2: you remember him, where nothing too exciting about him, but

1011
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:57,520
Speaker 2: he had the guaranteed workload and in this range, workload

1012
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 2: is king. So I have Chase Brown ranked here despite

1013
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 2: not thinking he's a top you know, twelve running back

1014
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:09,120
Speaker 2: in the league. But my only concerns are that this

1015
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:11,440
Speaker 2: is the Bengals. You know, it's the most pass heavy

1016
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:14,880
Speaker 2: offense in the league, so there's gonna be fewer you know,

1017
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:20,000
Speaker 2: early down run attempts for Chase Brown. Than other running backs,

1018
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 2: and his you know, his past catching usage when t

1019
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:27,800
Speaker 2: Higgins was out versus when te Higgins was in was

1020
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:31,560
Speaker 2: pretty stark. His target rate dipped about five percent, which

1021
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:34,960
Speaker 2: isn't great. And the one thing I think that samajp

1022
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:38,200
Speaker 2: Run and TODs Brooks could do is eat into his

1023
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:41,880
Speaker 2: past catching work. Luckily, Chase Brown, he does get targeted

1024
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:44,280
Speaker 2: on early downs at a pretty high rate, so that

1025
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 2: could help stabilize it. But just my main concern is

1026
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:52,080
Speaker 2: those backups sort of eating into his receiving usage. But

1027
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:55,240
Speaker 2: outside of that, like, I think he's pretty safe in

1028
00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 2: terms of workload. I don't think he's really at of,

1029
00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:02,080
Speaker 2: you know, risk of losing work. So I'm basically treating

1030
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:06,240
Speaker 2: him like I said, like pre Bucky Irving, Rashad White.

1031
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:09,760
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm very bullish on I'm Brown. I don't.

1032
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 1: I don't. Actually I'm interested, Like you seem pretty like

1033
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:17,480
Speaker 1: unenthused about Brown. I'm curious because, like I actually in

1034
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:20,280
Speaker 1: the message I look at he actually is fine. His

1035
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:23,160
Speaker 1: his real issues were just the Bengals old line, I

1036
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:25,840
Speaker 1: mean yards after contact. He was up over three for

1037
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:28,800
Speaker 1: the second year straight, so both both the years of

1038
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 1: his career, He's been up over three, which is very

1039
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:34,320
Speaker 1: good uh and yards after contact. When he's on the field,

1040
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:36,520
Speaker 1: he's getting you know, to your point, he's getting targeted

1041
00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:40,120
Speaker 1: a ton, And I thought he was a very good

1042
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:43,440
Speaker 1: pass catcher. And as I google him right now, the

1043
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:46,760
Speaker 1: first headline that come up comes up is Chase Brown

1044
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:51,840
Speaker 1: is Joe Burrow's safety valve. So I remember being bullish

1045
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:55,440
Speaker 1: on him heading into last year because one thing I

1046
00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:59,160
Speaker 1: noticed was that his rookie year, he wasn't getting as

1047
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:02,640
Speaker 1: much passing uh down work, but when he was on

1048
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:05,280
Speaker 1: the field, he was getting targets. And that's because he

1049
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:08,560
Speaker 1: was getting screened a lot of screens drawn up for him.

1050
00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:10,240
Speaker 1: So when you're getting screens drawn up for you, that

1051
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:11,440
Speaker 1: means they want to get the ball in your hand.

1052
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:14,760
Speaker 1: So the fact that they really have done nothing to

1053
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:17,800
Speaker 1: their depth chart, and like we were worried about a

1054
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:19,720
Speaker 1: guy with a broken neck who's now not on the

1055
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:23,280
Speaker 1: roster hope, you know, shouts to Zach Moss. But like this,

1056
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:26,600
Speaker 1: this to me is like it's probably gonna be one

1057
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:29,400
Speaker 1: of those situations where like Kyraen Williams all over again

1058
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:32,880
Speaker 1: where it's like like we're it seems like a situation

1059
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:34,720
Speaker 1: to worry about. But this guy is in his prime.

1060
00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:38,840
Speaker 1: He's been very productive and he's actually been efficient too,

1061
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:41,640
Speaker 1: so and he passes the eye test to me anyways,

1062
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:45,240
Speaker 1: So I'm actually very bush I think he's like a

1063
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:49,160
Speaker 1: like a sleeping giant here. He's probably giving people what

1064
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:52,160
Speaker 1: they want when they take Jacobs that high, and maybe

1065
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:53,840
Speaker 1: you know, even a guy like a Chan, I could

1066
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:56,480
Speaker 1: see him. I could see Brown finishing. Brown probably finishes

1067
00:59:56,520 --> 00:59:58,840
Speaker 1: as the top five running back if he if he

1068
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:01,800
Speaker 1: gets this work what he was he was getting down

1069
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:04,080
Speaker 1: the stretch last year, and there's all your room to

1070
01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:06,840
Speaker 1: go up in terms of the rush volume, you know,

1071
01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:09,400
Speaker 1: for the Bengals. So yeah, of course with Higgins on

1072
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:12,280
Speaker 1: a field, his target rate went down a little, but

1073
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:15,720
Speaker 1: there's only room to grow. So yeah, I'm bullish on Brown.

1074
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:17,280
Speaker 1: I actually like him quite a bit.

1075
01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:19,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I liked him as a prospect. If you

1076
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:21,920
Speaker 2: remember a couple of years ago, Mike Mike comp for

1077
01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:24,880
Speaker 2: him was Robert Smith if you remember him from the Vikings.

1078
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:27,840
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, So yeah, he's good.

1079
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:30,720
Speaker 2: And you know I wrote him up in my Upside

1080
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:34,040
Speaker 2: Rakings piece last year, where you know, I don't think

1081
01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 2: Zach Moss is long for this world, keeping that job

1082
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:40,920
Speaker 2: to himself. So wasn't too shocked to see him surpass

1083
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:44,800
Speaker 2: Moss last year. Then when Mosc got injured, he erupted.

1084
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:47,040
Speaker 2: And that's what I'm saying that they really haven't added

1085
01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:51,320
Speaker 2: anything or you know, made any kind of move to

1086
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:55,640
Speaker 2: upgrade from him. So I agree, I think his efficiency

1087
01:00:55,720 --> 01:00:58,960
Speaker 2: could go up this year. It's still you know, a

1088
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:01,680
Speaker 2: shaky offensive line and whatnot, but this offense is going

1089
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:04,640
Speaker 2: to produce touchdowns and he'll benefit from that. So I

1090
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:07,760
Speaker 2: agree just based on the situation. Uh, this is this

1091
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:10,960
Speaker 2: is definitely an ideal spot and a similar situation that

1092
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:12,920
Speaker 2: he saw last year when he was the workhorse back.

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01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:16,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Breakers just don't care about their running games.

1094
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:18,680
Speaker 1: So like, I think that's why he was like inefficient

1095
01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:20,680
Speaker 1: because again, like when you look at his yards after

1096
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:23,720
Speaker 1: first contact, uh he was, he was a lot better.

1097
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:26,040
Speaker 1: And that kind of backs up what you what we

1098
01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:30,360
Speaker 1: saw when we thought he would take over for for Moss.

1099
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:33,920
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think if people are sleeping on Chase Brown,

1100
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:38,080
Speaker 1: like I'm a I'll gladly scoop him up in this

1101
01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:42,240
Speaker 1: in this range, the next guy, the final guy we'll

1102
01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:44,880
Speaker 1: talk about here and then uh, you know, keep a locked.

1103
01:01:45,160 --> 01:01:48,080
Speaker 1: We'll be back with part two where we discussed the

1104
01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:50,520
Speaker 1: RB two tier and and guys outside of that, the

1105
01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:52,440
Speaker 1: frozen pond and all that. But let's closed it up

1106
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:58,480
Speaker 1: with kyron Williams. And yet again it feels like he's

1107
01:01:58,560 --> 01:02:02,520
Speaker 1: being slept on. Twenty five years old, fourth year in

1108
01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:07,080
Speaker 1: the league, just signed, you know, I think a few

1109
01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:11,040
Speaker 1: hours before we were yeah, before we recorded a new

1110
01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:15,400
Speaker 1: three year, thirty three million dollar extensions. So congratulations to

1111
01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:20,640
Speaker 1: Kyraen Williams. Two straight top eight Fantasy finishes at the

1112
01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:24,200
Speaker 1: running back position. No other running back on the depth

1113
01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:28,040
Speaker 1: chart with more than sixty three career carries and that

1114
01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:33,560
Speaker 1: would be a Ronnie Rivers. I mean, are are we

1115
01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:37,480
Speaker 1: sleeping on once again or are there? I guess you

1116
01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:39,920
Speaker 1: could nit pick his efficiency last year, you know, four

1117
01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:42,680
Speaker 1: point one yards that carried five point four per reception

1118
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:45,920
Speaker 1: and along of thirty on a three hundred and fifty touches.

1119
01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:48,720
Speaker 1: It's like, I feel like what you just said about

1120
01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:52,640
Speaker 1: Chase Brown has probably been the what people may feel

1121
01:02:52,640 --> 01:02:53,280
Speaker 1: about Kiren.

1122
01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:57,360
Speaker 2: But where are you at? Yeah? White type? But yeah, kin,

1123
01:02:57,560 --> 01:03:01,200
Speaker 2: I mean my relationship with the projecting the RAMS running

1124
01:03:01,240 --> 01:03:05,720
Speaker 2: backs the last few seasons has been tumultuous, so again

1125
01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:10,440
Speaker 2: I think the contract gives us even more clarity. This

1126
01:03:10,560 --> 01:03:13,920
Speaker 2: is Kyen Williams backfield, and as long as he's healthy,

1127
01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:16,880
Speaker 2: he's going to be a top ten back. There you go.

1128
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:19,880
Speaker 2: Last year I was a bit concerned, just based on

1129
01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:23,920
Speaker 2: how McVeigh was juggling his running backs that Korum could

1130
01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:28,520
Speaker 2: leap frog Kyen at any point we didn't know, but

1131
01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:30,240
Speaker 2: that wasn't the case and that's not going to be

1132
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:33,440
Speaker 2: the case again this year. So yet, you know, Kyen

1133
01:03:33,640 --> 01:03:40,080
Speaker 2: was RB six per game last year, and you know

1134
01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:43,160
Speaker 2: he has zero threat to his job now that he

1135
01:03:43,160 --> 01:03:46,920
Speaker 2: got paid three years thirty three million I think twenty

1136
01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:49,400
Speaker 2: five million guaranteed. So he's gonna have to fumble a

1137
01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:53,440
Speaker 2: lot and be very inefficient to lose his job. So

1138
01:03:53,600 --> 01:03:57,800
Speaker 2: I am absolutely behind taking Kyri Williams around RB twelve.

1139
01:03:58,200 --> 01:04:01,440
Speaker 2: I will say that there is some concerned though around

1140
01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:05,440
Speaker 2: Matthew Stafford and this back injury. Again, he could just

1141
01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:08,640
Speaker 2: be getting rest because don't need him in camp, but

1142
01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:12,320
Speaker 2: if it does turn into something more serious that could

1143
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:15,480
Speaker 2: be a concern. Also, they probably wouldn't sign Kien to

1144
01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:19,800
Speaker 2: this if Stafford behind the scenes was a concern. But

1145
01:04:19,840 --> 01:04:21,919
Speaker 2: that's what I will say is, you know, Kien does

1146
01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:25,280
Speaker 2: need this offense to thrive and set him up for

1147
01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:29,520
Speaker 2: those goal line scores to post RB twelve plus numbers.

1148
01:04:29,560 --> 01:04:33,919
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think given his job security is more

1149
01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:37,240
Speaker 2: safe than ever. Now, this is what we want in

1150
01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:40,800
Speaker 2: the Rams backfield. And McVeigh loves leaning on one back.

1151
01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:44,640
Speaker 2: He doesn't like using rotations and committees. So Kyron is

1152
01:04:44,680 --> 01:04:48,480
Speaker 2: clearly the man. Korum and Hunter are clearly you know,

1153
01:04:48,520 --> 01:04:51,840
Speaker 2: the handcuffs, and yeah, I think people are sleeping on Kiram.

1154
01:04:51,880 --> 01:04:54,920
Speaker 2: Now after this news, we'll see if his ADP goes up,

1155
01:04:55,200 --> 01:04:57,040
Speaker 2: but I think it should. I think he is, you know,

1156
01:04:57,160 --> 01:05:01,240
Speaker 2: top ten back when we're you know, Garan tied a

1157
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:04,600
Speaker 2: long leash in terms of job security. So yeah, I

1158
01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:06,680
Speaker 2: love getting kir In around this range.

1159
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:09,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the guy I'm really worried about in

1160
01:05:09,800 --> 01:05:12,640
Speaker 1: this range most is Jacobs, just because we've seen him

1161
01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:16,440
Speaker 1: kind of oscillate between these extremes. We know like he doesn't.

1162
01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:18,480
Speaker 1: He's not a guy where you feel like you have

1163
01:05:18,560 --> 01:05:20,560
Speaker 1: to use him in the past game. And obviously the

1164
01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:22,880
Speaker 1: Packers are gearing up to spread the ball around to

1165
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:26,880
Speaker 1: different receivers than they were last year. But I don't

1166
01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:29,200
Speaker 1: even think Stafford is concerned because you have Jimmy G

1167
01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:32,240
Speaker 1: back there still, right, he's the backup, right, Yeah?

1168
01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:35,480
Speaker 2: Didn't. Isn't that why DeVante Adams left Vegas though, was

1169
01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:37,960
Speaker 2: to get away from Jimmy G throwing him the ball.

1170
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:39,040
Speaker 1: I've heard.

1171
01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:44,320
Speaker 2: Cousins, could you know, agree to a trade to La

1172
01:05:44,520 --> 01:05:47,320
Speaker 2: But yeah, it could be worse not having you know, like,

1173
01:05:47,880 --> 01:05:48,600
Speaker 2: I feel like this is the.

1174
01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:51,040
Speaker 1: Best backup situation. Like Jimmy G is going to average

1175
01:05:51,040 --> 01:05:54,760
Speaker 1: like eight yards in attempt mc bank. Come on, man,

1176
01:05:55,680 --> 01:05:59,160
Speaker 1: Jimmy G. He's not He's not like incompetent. He's he

1177
01:05:59,320 --> 01:06:02,720
Speaker 1: was Jimmy G with Gos McDaniels and like, uh, you know,

1178
01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:07,920
Speaker 1: a grumpy Davante Adams. Sure, but I mean now it's

1179
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:09,800
Speaker 1: like Davante is gonna be the one. Like when the

1180
01:06:09,880 --> 01:06:12,760
Speaker 1: Rams signed a receiver and free agency, the receivers probably watched.

1181
01:06:12,800 --> 01:06:15,160
Speaker 1: So now the tables are gonna kind of turn. Jimmy

1182
01:06:15,160 --> 01:06:18,440
Speaker 1: G's gonna have to revive Davante's career well exactly.

1183
01:06:18,520 --> 01:06:21,480
Speaker 2: This is something we bite see unfold in the next

1184
01:06:21,520 --> 01:06:25,600
Speaker 2: coming weeks. Hopefully Stafford's okay, but just something in the

1185
01:06:25,640 --> 01:06:26,480
Speaker 2: manor for sure.

1186
01:06:27,360 --> 01:06:28,880
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, now you don't like to hear that. But

1187
01:06:29,720 --> 01:06:32,480
Speaker 1: I just actually don't have a big drop off if

1188
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:35,640
Speaker 1: it's if it's Jimmy g I think that he's probably

1189
01:06:35,720 --> 01:06:38,480
Speaker 1: just at the bottom of his I guess perceived value.

1190
01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:40,920
Speaker 1: But he's he's not that bad as a guy to

1191
01:06:41,040 --> 01:06:43,440
Speaker 1: kind of step in in a McVeigh offense. He's been

1192
01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:46,680
Speaker 1: sitting learning now for a while. He's played for mcvayh

1193
01:06:46,680 --> 01:06:50,560
Speaker 1: and Shannyhan. I got to he'll he'll be fine. And West,

1194
01:06:50,600 --> 01:06:53,040
Speaker 1: I mean the West Davante is Alan Robinson part two.

1195
01:06:52,920 --> 01:06:54,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be that would be a problem.

1196
01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:57,920
Speaker 1: But my guy too to out well then all right

1197
01:06:59,120 --> 01:07:01,480
Speaker 1: that he's gonna wrap it. But yeah, I'm I'm saying high.

1198
01:07:01,480 --> 01:07:04,000
Speaker 1: And Kyron Jacobs is the one guy I think I

1199
01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:06,440
Speaker 1: have Jacobs at RB twelve, So that's the guy. I'm

1200
01:07:06,680 --> 01:07:09,760
Speaker 1: a bit more Jacobs. And for the guys that, yeah,

1201
01:07:09,840 --> 01:07:14,680
Speaker 1: Jacobs and CMC guys, I'm really fading love genty and

1202
01:07:15,040 --> 01:07:18,600
Speaker 1: uh not like h N compared to the market. I

1203
01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:21,560
Speaker 1: think Tailor is a great pick. And yeah, Chase Brown,

1204
01:07:21,560 --> 01:07:24,720
Speaker 1: I'm very bull Sean and Kyron as well, So uh,

1205
01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:27,360
Speaker 1: I think that's I think it's fine to wait in, uh,

1206
01:07:27,480 --> 01:07:30,880
Speaker 1: in the first round, and get a running back in

1207
01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:32,920
Speaker 1: round two or round three, or you know, do something,

1208
01:07:33,160 --> 01:07:35,280
Speaker 1: you know, get one in each of those two rounds

1209
01:07:35,360 --> 01:07:39,400
Speaker 1: because you're not really gonna have much competition when you

1210
01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:42,520
Speaker 1: get past the second round. If drafts continue on photo

1211
01:07:42,640 --> 01:07:45,600
Speaker 1: like they have been, it seems like people take this three,

1212
01:07:45,760 --> 01:07:48,400
Speaker 1: three to four round break or it's just receiver receiver,

1213
01:07:48,560 --> 01:07:51,920
Speaker 1: receiver receivers. So I mean, yeah, if I can get

1214
01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:54,080
Speaker 1: a backfield where it's you know, two of like a

1215
01:07:54,200 --> 01:07:57,600
Speaker 1: tailor Chase Brown or Chase even a Chase Brown Kyroen

1216
01:07:57,680 --> 01:08:03,240
Speaker 1: somehow or whatever it may be, I'm I mean that's

1217
01:08:02,240 --> 01:08:05,680
Speaker 1: the guys. Yeah, yeah, I think that's a week, especially

1218
01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:08,560
Speaker 1: if you're if you've got a receiver in round one,

1219
01:08:09,120 --> 01:08:11,560
Speaker 1: because you then you could just jump back on the

1220
01:08:11,560 --> 01:08:14,120
Speaker 1: train and you know, four, five, six, and you get

1221
01:08:14,120 --> 01:08:17,799
Speaker 1: your four receivers and you have two potentially top five backs.

1222
01:08:18,439 --> 01:08:20,960
Speaker 1: I think that's, uh, that's a pretty good strategy because

1223
01:08:21,040 --> 01:08:24,280
Speaker 1: I do think the money kind of gives Tiring a

1224
01:08:24,280 --> 01:08:28,960
Speaker 1: little bump, and the moss release gives Chase Brown a

1225
01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:31,479
Speaker 1: little bump, So we're starting to get a little more

1226
01:08:31,520 --> 01:08:34,360
Speaker 1: strong a little stronger in the bottom half of the

1227
01:08:34,600 --> 01:08:38,559
Speaker 1: RB one tier. That's gonna wrap it up for part

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1232
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