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Speaker 1: to Lenin, who is a terrible man to whom so
Speaker 1: much is misattributed. People like to pretend that Lenin said
Speaker 1: there are decades where nothing happens, and there are weeks
Speaker 1: when decades happen. A man named Himero Aridius, the Mexican
Speaker 1: poet and environmentalist, did say something similar, though he said,
Speaker 1: there are centuries in which nothing happens, in years in
Speaker 1: which centuries pass. It is very hard to believe that
Speaker 1: we've only had six years with dinosaurs. World War IIE
Speaker 1: feels like a lifetime ago, and the pre war years
Speaker 1: before that unimaginably distant. We have always lived with dinosaurs.
Speaker 1: It feels like when I access my old memories, which
Speaker 1: forgive me I'm in my early seventies. I do so
Speaker 1: more and more often. I struggle to understand what the
Speaker 1: night sky sounded like without the cries of giant reptiles
Speaker 1: setting down for bed. It is the terrible curse of
Speaker 1: human history that most new technologies are turned first to war,
Speaker 1: turn first to destruction before they find their way to
Speaker 1: peacetime use. We unlocked the atom so that we could
Speaker 1: punish Imperial Japan and kill hundreds of thousands of its
Speaker 1: civilians in one of the greatest war crimes in human history.
Speaker 1: Our desire to kill our fellow humans has always brought
Speaker 1: out our ingenuity. Of course, X vivogenesis and dinosaur de
Speaker 1: extinction was developed during peacetime, but it was the dinos
Speaker 1: Versus Zombies's armory that really got de extinction going at
Speaker 1: any kind of scale, and today, like I promised last week,
Speaker 1: I'm at one of the world's oldest and largest crushes,
Speaker 1: a simply massive compound somewhere in rural Finland where extinct
Speaker 1: species are resurrected. I can't say the name of the
Speaker 1: place on air, not during wartime, so I'm going to
Speaker 1: call it Punelu, the ancient Finnish Land of the Dead.
Speaker 1: There are three different facilities here, each with their own staff, headquarters,
Speaker 1: and even social norms. There's the Center for the Eradication
Speaker 1: of the March of Time aka the Research Department, which
Speaker 1: d extincts new animals. There's the Center for Application of
Speaker 1: Muscle and Bone for the purpose of Liberating the Earth
Speaker 1: aka the War Department. And then there's the Center for
Speaker 1: the Cohabitation of Flora and Fauna aka the Peace Department.
Speaker 1: The War Department is far and away the largest of
Speaker 1: the three departments, receiving sixty percent of the grounds, seventy
Speaker 1: percent of the personnel, and seventy four percent of the funding.
Speaker 1: I understand why this is the case. I used to
Speaker 1: be an activist journalist. Well, I used to be just
Speaker 1: an activist back in my youth. A decade of work
Speaker 1: i've been milking for street cred ever since. But these
Speaker 1: days I'm a war journalist. Most of us didn't set
Speaker 1: out to be war journalists, war bookkeepers, war chefs, war
Speaker 1: graphic designers, war crocheers, war animal trainers, war doctors, war pilots,
Speaker 1: or war anything. We simply set out to live our
Speaker 1: lives as free people, and war came to us. So
Speaker 1: the War department is the largest, and I understand why,
Speaker 1: and it still makes me sad. But this episode isn't
Speaker 1: about the War Department, nor is it about the Research department.
Speaker 1: Wartime secrecy prohibits me from reporting on those departments anyway. No,
Speaker 1: the reason as I am in Finland was because of
Speaker 1: an invitation I got from an old friend who works
Speaker 1: in the Peace Department. Doctor Schuart Lumpo, a Dutch Finn
Speaker 1: I met in the twenty thirties at a climate change
Speaker 1: conference in Dublin. He was a zoologist then studying how
Speaker 1: native species were migrating with the changing weather. He just
Speaker 1: walked out of a German prison after serving six years
Speaker 1: as part of the Bremen twelve. Maybe you remember the
Speaker 1: Bremen twelve. It was a big deal at the time,
Speaker 1: but there have been so many big deals in the
Speaker 1: intervening decades that it's hard to keep track of them. All.
Speaker 1: The Bremen twelve were convicted of eco terrorism. Do you
Speaker 1: remember when eco terrorism was seen as a bad thing.
Speaker 1: Each of the Bremen twelve were prominent scientists and environmental engineers.
Speaker 1: They released a paper in twenty twenty nine with their
Speaker 1: names attached, in which they laid out why direct action,
Speaker 1: including destructive direct action and potentially violent direct action, was
Speaker 1: the only feasible method by which humanity could con front
Speaker 1: climate change. The paper came out the same day that
Speaker 1: they bombed a Tesla factory under construction and what had
Speaker 1: been considered a critical forest for the remaining biodiversity of
Speaker 1: mainland Europe. They all went to prison. Naturally, I was
Speaker 1: excited to meet doctor Lampo, But do you know what else?
Speaker 1: I was excited about the opportunity to spend my entire
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Speaker 1: thirties and the early days of direct action against climate change,
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Speaker 1: Those early days, those opening salvos, were full of some
Speaker 1: of the bravest people to ever walk and defend the earth.
Speaker 1: In the twenty forties, though it got easier, the Vishnu
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Speaker 1: been used to evil effect too, but frankly, I think
Speaker 1: the human portable tactical EMP is the best thing that's
Speaker 1: ever happened to environmental activism. All of that is besides
Speaker 1: the point. After my friend doctor Lumpo got out of
Speaker 1: prison and I met him at the conference in Dublin,
Speaker 1: we stayed in touch off and on, and he's even
Speaker 1: been on this show before. In one episode from twenty
Speaker 1: forty six, talking about the migration of native species and
Speaker 1: how it impacts both home gardening and also commercial food production.
Speaker 1: He'd retired from a life of crime, but even as
Speaker 1: he talks about the horrors of his time in a
Speaker 1: German private prison, he never spoke of a single regret.
Speaker 1: And now he works in the peace department in a
Speaker 1: nameless research facility in cresh in an undisclosed location in Finland,
Speaker 1: even though like me, he is years past retirement age.
Speaker 1: When he heard I was in Finland for Dino Khan,
Speaker 1: he reached out and here I am a lifetime ago, literally,
Speaker 1: not even in this century. I went to Finland for
Speaker 1: the first time. I was a teenager in the US,
Speaker 1: and by strange circumstance, I was dating a Finnish girl.
Speaker 1: I had fallen atop her while crowdsurfing to Blondie at
Speaker 1: a festival in DC, and we had fallen in love.
Speaker 1: She pierced my ear with a safety pin and shoplifted
Speaker 1: me an earring. It was all terribly punk rock, and
Speaker 1: she signed her name with the a's and it circled.
Speaker 1: Her father had been in the Finnish embassy, and when
Speaker 1: he was promoted back to Finland, her and I stayed together.
Speaker 1: So I was only sixteen when I flew alone to Helsinki.
Speaker 1: We didn't last past high school. Her and I. Somewhere
Speaker 1: in some old notebook of teenage poetry, I scrawled the
Speaker 1: phrase Finland is a fever dream. Fifty five years later,
Speaker 1: it still is. Finland had half expected to fall to
Speaker 1: Putin's Russia. Russia has always liked invading Finland whenever it's
Speaker 1: feeling bored, and since then Finland has become, alongside Lagos,
Speaker 1: the center of internationalist resistance. Lagos is the political, in
Speaker 1: some ways cultural hub of the revolution. Finland is the
Speaker 1: technological center, simply because it's where dinosaurs come from. The
Speaker 1: first time I spent much time in rural Finland, I
Speaker 1: was a traveling anarchist activist in my twenties. A festival
Speaker 1: and conference invited me there because of my work writing
Speaker 1: about anarchism and fiction. If I remember correctly, and my
Speaker 1: ability to remember things correctly has become less and less
Speaker 1: certain as time marches onward musta pispola. It was called,
Speaker 1: I remember the mural they'd thrown up for a Finnish
Speaker 1: anarchist wh'd been killed by the Israeli army in Palestine.
Speaker 1: Back then, I stayed in a village somewhere outside of Thampiay,
Speaker 1: with a house of green anarchists, and I spent some
Speaker 1: time on one of the thousands of lakes that dotted
Speaker 1: the country side. Some folks had built a sailboat entirely
Speaker 1: from trash, the hall from old barrels, The deck was
Speaker 1: woven from discarded fire hose. It was near midsummer and
Speaker 1: the sun refused to set, and we hung out on
Speaker 1: the lake for endless hours. If I ever retire, maybe
Speaker 1: I'll retire to a cabin on a lake in Finland.
Speaker 1: More likely, I won't retire until it's to assisted care
Speaker 1: or a hospital somewhere. As long as I can write,
Speaker 1: I'll write, And yes, as long as I'm an old
Speaker 1: woman with a platform, I'll do stereotypical old woman shit
Speaker 1: like get lost thinking about the old days, despite the fantastic,
Speaker 1: terrifying world I live in today. But all of that,
Speaker 1: even the I wonder if I can get away with
Speaker 1: rambling about Finland and the nineties and oughts. Part of
Speaker 1: it ran through my head while a young friend led
Speaker 1: me through the Vishnu shield on a horse drawn sleigh,
Speaker 1: bundled up against the Finish winter that wasn't half so
Speaker 1: cold as it would have been in my youth. I'm
Speaker 1: not allowed to describe the unnamed facility in any detail,
Speaker 1: not physically. While satellite imagery has been greatly disrupted through
Speaker 1: the proliferation of AI hacking tools and the occasional Vishnu satellite,
Speaker 1: it's still reasonable to presume the fascists occasionally get eyes
Speaker 1: on the countryside of Finland. Or maybe I'm not in
Speaker 1: Finland at all. Maybe this whole thing is a sigh
Speaker 1: up and I'm actually in the indigenous controlled regions of Siberia.
Speaker 1: Who knows. So there was a sleigh, and and I
Speaker 1: entered past a gate that probably had security of some kind.
Speaker 1: Being vague is my least favorite part of wartime journalism.
Speaker 1: The grounds itself are not Vishnu shielded, I'm glad to say.
Speaker 1: And I transferred from the sleigh to a glorified golf cart,
Speaker 1: occasionally throwing up a half hearted complaint that I could
Speaker 1: walk just fine, which is half true. Doctor Schuward Lampo
Speaker 1: met me hell in his hand, goofy smile across his face.
Speaker 1: He's a trans man who has aged quite gracefully, with
Speaker 1: a full white beard without mustache in that strange twenty
Speaker 1: thirty style. He's got crow's feet for days. As as
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Speaker 1: then keep going until you spend half your time telling
Speaker 1: everyone you know, God has change and we're back. Doctor
Speaker 1: Lampo took me off to the far corner of the
Speaker 1: large estate where the Peace Department does its studies. To
Speaker 1: be honest, I don't mind that I'm not allowed to
Speaker 1: cover the War Department or the Research Department. It has
Speaker 1: always been complicated for me as a lifelong vegan and
Speaker 1: a longtime animal lover to reconcile my politics with our
Speaker 1: use of animals in war, it would be still more
Speaker 1: complicated for me to witness how the proverbial sausage is made.
Speaker 1: I'm sure the de extincting process is not without suffering
Speaker 1: and experimentation, and I'm sure the study of dinosaurs in
Speaker 1: war is no nicer. To be clear, I don't believe
Speaker 1: the facility runs tests like how many bullets can this
Speaker 1: Tyrannosaurus survive being shot with? But the War Department raises
Speaker 1: dinosaurs from eggs to warrior in the fastest possible ways,
Speaker 1: including a number of growth acceleration technologies that I am
Speaker 1: not privy to discuss the details of. And it's just well,
Speaker 1: it's war. Younger scientists and likely younger listeners are more
Speaker 1: fatalistic about such things. If your brain wasn't fully formed
Speaker 1: before World War III, you will likely accept a lot
Speaker 1: more suffering and death than us. Old softies are likely
Speaker 1: to The age. Discrepancy between scientists and the Peace Department
Speaker 1: and the War Department is immediately apparent. It's white haired
Speaker 1: over here in the Peace Department. It's also idyllic, an
Speaker 1: old science fiction dream of a happy Mars colony or
Speaker 1: something we drove up to the entrance of a gigantic,
Speaker 1: clear plastic dome, and I dismounted and walked through the
Speaker 1: entrance into a peaceful garden of gazebos and flowers and butterflies.
Speaker 1: Throughout it all small and medium dinosaurs roamed freely, cooing
Speaker 1: and clucking. The whole thing is heated to something like
Speaker 1: eighty five degrees fahrenheit, I was told in Celsius. But
Speaker 1: the older I get, the stranger of things. I picked
Speaker 1: to become stubborn about, like speaking in the human centered
Speaker 1: Fahrenheit instead of the science minded Celsius. We walked along
Speaker 1: a mulched path, and I marveled at the beauty of
Speaker 1: everything around me. What is it that you all do here,
Speaker 1: I asked doctor Lampo. Every species in this pavilion, with
Speaker 1: the exception of ourselves, as Homo sapiens, was considered extinct
Speaker 1: by the year twenty forty five, he told me. I
Speaker 1: looked around at the flowers and butterflies, and insects and birds.
Speaker 1: Besides the dinosaurs, they all seemed like species that were
Speaker 1: quite normal to me, species I'd spent most of my
Speaker 1: life around. I even probably had the rate of extinction
Speaker 1: in our lifetimes has been simply astounding, the doctor continued.
Speaker 1: When I was coming up in the sciences, a lot
Speaker 1: of discussions in both academic and activist circles was around
Speaker 1: the primissy of native plants to habitat restoration, which makes sense.
Speaker 1: Invasive species tend to throw off well established balances between
Speaker 1: species and destroy the equilibrium of a given ecosystem. But
Speaker 1: the thing is, and this is what you saw me
Speaker 1: present about. The day we met, a warming world shifts
Speaker 1: that balance. In the northern hemisphere, plants and animals creep
Speaker 1: their way north. In the southern hemisphere they go south.
Speaker 1: Species also move further up into mountains, and the deserts
Speaker 1: expand everywhere. Before ex vuogenesis, we were working with a
Speaker 1: dramatically shrinking pool of biodiversity. Our attempts to restore and
Speaker 1: preserve habitats, even shifting to adjust for climate, were hampered
Speaker 1: by well lack of remaining options. De extinction alongside the
Speaker 1: Vishnu Shield are the two most powerful tools we've ever
Speaker 1: developed to help us mitigate the worst effects of climate change.
Speaker 1: All across the world, scientists are building these test gardens
Speaker 1: to see what sort of ecosystems we can build and
Speaker 1: what climates We anchor everything with native species, although sometimes
Speaker 1: they are native species from slightly further south or north,
Speaker 1: but supplement them with species sometimes from all over the
Speaker 1: world and now from all over the history of the world,
Speaker 1: to see how they relate and see what is compatible.
Speaker 1: Where did dinosaurs fit into this, I asked, Well, because
Speaker 1: we want them to, Doctor Lompo said, We've got other
Speaker 1: reasons besides that dinosaurs were adapted for a warmer world,
Speaker 1: so they can teach us about what life in a
Speaker 1: warm world can look like. Dinosaurs are generally larger than
Speaker 1: the average animals today, and they can fit complex niches
Speaker 1: within an ecosystem. Those are the reasons I'm probably supposed
Speaker 1: to give you, but frankly, we do it because we
Speaker 1: want to. Dinosaurs are neat God has changed and things
Speaker 1: are changing, and our general rule is the more biodiversity
Speaker 1: we can add to an area, the better, the more
Speaker 1: resilient it is. Well, what happens if a de extincted
Speaker 1: species breaks containment and becomes an invasive species elsewhere. That's
Speaker 1: happened several times already, and it'll keep happening, doctor Lompo said,
Speaker 1: with a cavalierness that shocked me. If we had discovered
Speaker 1: this technology in the nineteen forties instead of the twenty forties,
Speaker 1: I think it would be the foremost concern on any
Speaker 1: of our minds. But it's simply not that way anymore.
Speaker 1: The thing is, the world, without our help is dying. Rather,
Speaker 1: it was killed. The Earth was killed fifty years ago,
Speaker 1: and its death throes are long and arduous. We didn't
Speaker 1: stop climate change. Left to its own devices, the Earth
Speaker 1: will always find some sort of equilibrium. But it's quite
Speaker 1: possible that the equilibrium it will find this time might
Speaker 1: be the destruction of multicellular life on Earth. That's an
Speaker 1: extreme scenario, but not an impossible one. The mass extinction
Speaker 1: we've caused could very easily make the end of the
Speaker 1: dinosaurs the original end of the dinosaurs seem like a
Speaker 1: minor course correction. We are skating on the brink of
Speaker 1: destruction even still, and it's only through Vishnu technology and
Speaker 1: ex vivogenesis that we've been able to course correct the
Speaker 1: tiniest bit. I know we're all caught up right now
Speaker 1: in the global war against fascism, and that's an essential fight,
Speaker 1: but it is and always has been, the less important fight.
Speaker 1: Fascism is the mini boss climate change is the big boss.
Speaker 1: Fascism is a threat to all human life on Earth.
Speaker 1: Climate change is a threat to all life on Earth period.
Speaker 1: It's a threat to the only life we know to
Speaker 1: exist anywhere in the universe. The stakes really are that high.
Speaker 1: And to be clear, the fight against fascism is not
Speaker 1: a distraction. We need to destroy fascism in order to
Speaker 1: get to the big thoughts, and a global society that
Speaker 1: combines the best parts of decentralization and federation is exactly
Speaker 1: what we need to start to address climate change. Think
Speaker 1: about this is a strange comparison, perhaps, but I grew
Speaker 1: up in the nineteen nineties as a gay man. I
Speaker 1: wasn't around for the AIDS crisis, but it was this very,
Speaker 1: very present and recent and raw wound in my community.
Speaker 1: During the AIDS crisis, when gay men were essentially abandoned
Speaker 1: to die by conservative society, no essentially killed on us
Speaker 1: by medical neglect, some doctors and patients turned unorthodox means.
Speaker 1: As new experimental drugs came online, people volunteered to test
Speaker 1: them outside of accepted protocols. Because aides had more or
Speaker 1: less one hundred percent mortality rate at the time, so
Speaker 1: you might as well, try to help everyone around you,
Speaker 1: and hey, what if it saves you. That's the attitude
Speaker 1: that has spread across the environmental research community over the
Speaker 1: past few decades. The Earth is in trouble, dire trouble,
Speaker 1: existential trouble. Every native ecosystem is essentially doomed unless we
Speaker 1: course correct and fast and hard. We should try to
Speaker 1: keep de extincted species contained, for sure, we should try
Speaker 1: to experiment as safely as possible, but being too slow
Speaker 1: and too cautious will doom us. It's like driving up
Speaker 1: a steep dirt road. I suggested. You have to commit.
Speaker 1: You have to COMMITO agreed. We're trying things that would
Speaker 1: have been unethical to try only fifty years ago, but
Speaker 1: now it would be unethical to not try. The ecosystems
Speaker 1: we are likely to be living in one hundred years
Speaker 1: from now might look more like the ecosystems from sixty
Speaker 1: five million years ago than they look like the ecosystem
Speaker 1: of sixty five years ago. And we want those ecosystems
Speaker 1: to be full of life and diversity. We want them
Speaker 1: to be beautiful and fulfilling to live in. And yeah,
Speaker 1: it seems likely that they'll have dinosaurs in them, and
Speaker 1: that's where I'll leave it for this week. When we
Speaker 1: come back next week, we're going to hear a counterpoint
Speaker 1: to that position from a dinosaur skeptic who also works
Speaker 1: at the Department of Peace. In the meantime, though, keep
Speaker 1: fighting that mini boss bascism must be stopped, and we
Speaker 1: will stop it together with or without the help of dinosaurs.
Speaker 1: Margaret in twenty two, twenty five. Here, boy, what a
Speaker 1: fun message from the future. It's really great to know
Speaker 1: that I'm still around thirty years from now. Isn't that exciting?
Speaker 1: I'm excited for it. But you know what else is
Speaker 1: around soon or than thirty years from now, tomorrow If
Speaker 1: you're listening to this today when it comes out, where
Speaker 1: you're listening to it today in your own relative terms,
Speaker 1: no matter what. But if you're listening to this on Sunday,
Speaker 1: the day comes out March second, then tomorrow March third,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, the Kickstarter launches for the Immortal Choir
Speaker 1: that holds every voice, and that means several things for you.
Speaker 1: One it means there's only a couple more weeks where
Speaker 1: I keep telling you about this Kickstarter, and you can
Speaker 1: be glad that I'll have something else to plug in
Speaker 1: the future instead of constantly plugging this one thing. But
Speaker 1: it also means that tomorrow you can go back that Kickstarter.
Speaker 1: You can get access to the third book in the
Speaker 1: Danielle Kine series, and even the first two books in
Speaker 1: the Daniel Kaine series, because we're even going to offer
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Speaker 1: and there's gonna be audio books, and there's gonna be
Speaker 1: tattoo flash maybe if we reach our stretch goals, and
Speaker 1: you know, it's gonna be fun. It's really funny to
Speaker 1: be like, it's gonna be fun to have a Kickstarter.
Speaker 1: I actually kind of do like kickstarter campaigns. It's just
Speaker 1: very strange right now to be putting together books with
Speaker 1: the way the world is. But I think that you
Speaker 1: all might like this book. I think that this book,
Speaker 1: The Immortal Choir That Holds Every Voice, is some of
Speaker 1: my best reflections on grief and what it's like to
Speaker 1: hold on to loss. But it's also fun. There's trolls,
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