1 00:00:01,840 --> 00:00:11,080 Speaker 1: Cool Zone Media Dinah Wars, Dinah Wors, Dinah Wars. Hello, 2 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 1: Welcome to cool Zoned Media book Club, the only book 3 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 1: club about Dinah Wars, probably unless you started German book 4 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:22,960 Speaker 1: Club to study cools owned media book clubs Dinah Wars, 5 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 1: which you could, except if you had a book club 6 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: about it, you probably find all the lot inconsistencies. But anyway, 7 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 1: I'm your host, Margaret Kiljoy. And in case you hadn't 8 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:36,880 Speaker 1: figured it out, this is a Dinah Wars episode of 9 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:39,959 Speaker 1: Cool Zone Media book Club, which means this is an 10 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:43,559 Speaker 1: episode from thirty years in the future. That's right. 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There's a quote that is regularly misattributed 34 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 1: to Lenin, who is a terrible man to whom so 35 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 1: much is misattributed. People like to pretend that Lenin said 36 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 1: there are decades where nothing happens, and there are weeks 37 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:40,639 Speaker 1: when decades happen. A man named Himero Aridius, the Mexican 38 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 1: poet and environmentalist, did say something similar, though he said, 39 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 1: there are centuries in which nothing happens, in years in 40 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 1: which centuries pass. It is very hard to believe that 41 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 1: we've only had six years with dinosaurs. World War IIE 42 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:00,800 Speaker 1: feels like a lifetime ago, and the pre war years 43 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:06,839 Speaker 1: before that unimaginably distant. We have always lived with dinosaurs. 44 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 1: It feels like when I access my old memories, which 45 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: forgive me I'm in my early seventies. I do so 46 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:17,239 Speaker 1: more and more often. I struggle to understand what the 47 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 1: night sky sounded like without the cries of giant reptiles 48 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 1: setting down for bed. It is the terrible curse of 49 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 1: human history that most new technologies are turned first to war, 50 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 1: turn first to destruction before they find their way to 51 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 1: peacetime use. We unlocked the atom so that we could 52 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 1: punish Imperial Japan and kill hundreds of thousands of its 53 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 1: civilians in one of the greatest war crimes in human history. 54 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 1: Our desire to kill our fellow humans has always brought 55 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 1: out our ingenuity. Of course, X vivogenesis and dinosaur de 56 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 1: extinction was developed during peacetime, but it was the dinos 57 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 1: Versus Zombies's armory that really got de extinction going at 58 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 1: any kind of scale, and today, like I promised last week, 59 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 1: I'm at one of the world's oldest and largest crushes, 60 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 1: a simply massive compound somewhere in rural Finland where extinct 61 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:17,479 Speaker 1: species are resurrected. I can't say the name of the 62 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 1: place on air, not during wartime, so I'm going to 63 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 1: call it Punelu, the ancient Finnish Land of the Dead. 64 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 1: There are three different facilities here, each with their own staff, headquarters, 65 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 1: and even social norms. There's the Center for the Eradication 66 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 1: of the March of Time aka the Research Department, which 67 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:44,159 Speaker 1: d extincts new animals. There's the Center for Application of 68 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:46,719 Speaker 1: Muscle and Bone for the purpose of Liberating the Earth 69 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 1: aka the War Department. And then there's the Center for 70 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:56,480 Speaker 1: the Cohabitation of Flora and Fauna aka the Peace Department. 71 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 1: The War Department is far and away the largest of 72 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:04,480 Speaker 1: the three departments, receiving sixty percent of the grounds, seventy 73 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 1: percent of the personnel, and seventy four percent of the funding. 74 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:11,600 Speaker 1: I understand why this is the case. I used to 75 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:14,359 Speaker 1: be an activist journalist. Well, I used to be just 76 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:17,159 Speaker 1: an activist back in my youth. A decade of work 77 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 1: i've been milking for street cred ever since. But these 78 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 1: days I'm a war journalist. Most of us didn't set 79 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 1: out to be war journalists, war bookkeepers, war chefs, war 80 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:33,720 Speaker 1: graphic designers, war crocheers, war animal trainers, war doctors, war pilots, 81 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 1: or war anything. We simply set out to live our 82 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 1: lives as free people, and war came to us. So 83 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 1: the War department is the largest, and I understand why, 84 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 1: and it still makes me sad. But this episode isn't 85 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:53,160 Speaker 1: about the War Department, nor is it about the Research department. 86 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:58,839 Speaker 1: Wartime secrecy prohibits me from reporting on those departments anyway. No, 87 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 1: the reason as I am in Finland was because of 88 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 1: an invitation I got from an old friend who works 89 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:07,480 Speaker 1: in the Peace Department. Doctor Schuart Lumpo, a Dutch Finn 90 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:09,839 Speaker 1: I met in the twenty thirties at a climate change 91 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:14,480 Speaker 1: conference in Dublin. He was a zoologist then studying how 92 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 1: native species were migrating with the changing weather. He just 93 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 1: walked out of a German prison after serving six years 94 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 1: as part of the Bremen twelve. Maybe you remember the 95 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:27,039 Speaker 1: Bremen twelve. It was a big deal at the time, 96 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:29,919 Speaker 1: but there have been so many big deals in the 97 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:32,920 Speaker 1: intervening decades that it's hard to keep track of them. All. 98 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:37,839 Speaker 1: The Bremen twelve were convicted of eco terrorism. Do you 99 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 1: remember when eco terrorism was seen as a bad thing. 100 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:46,040 Speaker 1: Each of the Bremen twelve were prominent scientists and environmental engineers. 101 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 1: They released a paper in twenty twenty nine with their 102 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 1: names attached, in which they laid out why direct action, 103 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:57,240 Speaker 1: including destructive direct action and potentially violent direct action, was 104 00:06:57,279 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 1: the only feasible method by which humanity could con front 105 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:03,839 Speaker 1: climate change. The paper came out the same day that 106 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:07,360 Speaker 1: they bombed a Tesla factory under construction and what had 107 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 1: been considered a critical forest for the remaining biodiversity of 108 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 1: mainland Europe. They all went to prison. Naturally, I was 109 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 1: excited to meet doctor Lampo, But do you know what else? 110 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 1: I was excited about the opportunity to spend my entire 111 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 1: life interweaving anti capitalist podcast content with advertising from whoever 112 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 1: pays us enough money. 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Just because there are giant cats, 131 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:37,560 Speaker 1: don't forget the regular ones. And just because you can 132 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 1: ride up Bronto doesn't mean you should forget about horses 133 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:08,080 Speaker 1: were back. It's strange to think back to the twenty 134 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:12,680 Speaker 1: thirties and the early days of direct action against climate change, 135 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:16,200 Speaker 1: so many movements rose and fell. If you look back 136 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:18,680 Speaker 1: in the Cool Zone archives, you'll see the week of 137 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:22,679 Speaker 1: coverage we gave to Besteele Day two. This time it's personal. 138 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 1: You'll see our interviews with Goblin and Orc, the non 139 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 1: binary couple who lived and eventually died like the Bonnie 140 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 1: and Clyde of industrial sabotage, and who can forget the 141 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 1: double Green Ira in their campaign for Irish unification and ecosocialism. 142 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 1: Those early days, those opening salvos, were full of some 143 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 1: of the bravest people to ever walk and defend the earth. 144 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 1: In the twenty forties, though it got easier, the Vishnu 145 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:57,080 Speaker 1: Shield is more or less the greatest weapon in the 146 00:09:57,080 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 1: war against the misuse of technology that has ever been developed. 147 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 1: A single person with a single briefcase sized device can 148 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:09,440 Speaker 1: shut down five city blocks of technology. Of course, that's 149 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 1: been used to evil effect too, but frankly, I think 150 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:15,959 Speaker 1: the human portable tactical EMP is the best thing that's 151 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 1: ever happened to environmental activism. All of that is besides 152 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:24,560 Speaker 1: the point. After my friend doctor Lumpo got out of 153 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 1: prison and I met him at the conference in Dublin, 154 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 1: we stayed in touch off and on, and he's even 155 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 1: been on this show before. In one episode from twenty 156 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:36,440 Speaker 1: forty six, talking about the migration of native species and 157 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 1: how it impacts both home gardening and also commercial food production. 158 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 1: He'd retired from a life of crime, but even as 159 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 1: he talks about the horrors of his time in a 160 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 1: German private prison, he never spoke of a single regret. 161 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 1: And now he works in the peace department in a 162 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:58,560 Speaker 1: nameless research facility in cresh in an undisclosed location in Finland, 163 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 1: even though like me, he is years past retirement age. 164 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 1: When he heard I was in Finland for Dino Khan, 165 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 1: he reached out and here I am a lifetime ago, literally, 166 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:15,320 Speaker 1: not even in this century. I went to Finland for 167 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 1: the first time. I was a teenager in the US, 168 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:21,679 Speaker 1: and by strange circumstance, I was dating a Finnish girl. 169 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 1: I had fallen atop her while crowdsurfing to Blondie at 170 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 1: a festival in DC, and we had fallen in love. 171 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 1: She pierced my ear with a safety pin and shoplifted 172 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:34,560 Speaker 1: me an earring. It was all terribly punk rock, and 173 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 1: she signed her name with the a's and it circled. 174 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 1: Her father had been in the Finnish embassy, and when 175 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:43,680 Speaker 1: he was promoted back to Finland, her and I stayed together. 176 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 1: So I was only sixteen when I flew alone to Helsinki. 177 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:51,560 Speaker 1: We didn't last past high school. Her and I. Somewhere 178 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 1: in some old notebook of teenage poetry, I scrawled the 179 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:59,960 Speaker 1: phrase Finland is a fever dream. Fifty five years later, 180 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:04,720 Speaker 1: it still is. Finland had half expected to fall to 181 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:08,319 Speaker 1: Putin's Russia. Russia has always liked invading Finland whenever it's 182 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 1: feeling bored, and since then Finland has become, alongside Lagos, 183 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:17,560 Speaker 1: the center of internationalist resistance. Lagos is the political, in 184 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:20,960 Speaker 1: some ways cultural hub of the revolution. Finland is the 185 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:26,680 Speaker 1: technological center, simply because it's where dinosaurs come from. The 186 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 1: first time I spent much time in rural Finland, I 187 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 1: was a traveling anarchist activist in my twenties. A festival 188 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:35,679 Speaker 1: and conference invited me there because of my work writing 189 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 1: about anarchism and fiction. If I remember correctly, and my 190 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 1: ability to remember things correctly has become less and less 191 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 1: certain as time marches onward musta pispola. It was called, 192 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 1: I remember the mural they'd thrown up for a Finnish 193 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:51,680 Speaker 1: anarchist wh'd been killed by the Israeli army in Palestine. 194 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 1: Back then, I stayed in a village somewhere outside of Thampiay, 195 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:57,200 Speaker 1: with a house of green anarchists, and I spent some 196 00:12:57,360 --> 00:12:59,679 Speaker 1: time on one of the thousands of lakes that dotted 197 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 1: the country side. Some folks had built a sailboat entirely 198 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 1: from trash, the hall from old barrels, The deck was 199 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 1: woven from discarded fire hose. It was near midsummer and 200 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 1: the sun refused to set, and we hung out on 201 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 1: the lake for endless hours. If I ever retire, maybe 202 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 1: I'll retire to a cabin on a lake in Finland. 203 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:25,680 Speaker 1: More likely, I won't retire until it's to assisted care 204 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 1: or a hospital somewhere. As long as I can write, 205 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 1: I'll write, And yes, as long as I'm an old 206 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:35,560 Speaker 1: woman with a platform, I'll do stereotypical old woman shit 207 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:38,839 Speaker 1: like get lost thinking about the old days, despite the fantastic, 208 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 1: terrifying world I live in today. But all of that, 209 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:45,840 Speaker 1: even the I wonder if I can get away with 210 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:48,200 Speaker 1: rambling about Finland and the nineties and oughts. Part of 211 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 1: it ran through my head while a young friend led 212 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 1: me through the Vishnu shield on a horse drawn sleigh, 213 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:58,200 Speaker 1: bundled up against the Finish winter that wasn't half so 214 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:01,960 Speaker 1: cold as it would have been in my youth. I'm 215 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 1: not allowed to describe the unnamed facility in any detail, 216 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 1: not physically. While satellite imagery has been greatly disrupted through 217 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 1: the proliferation of AI hacking tools and the occasional Vishnu satellite, 218 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:18,080 Speaker 1: it's still reasonable to presume the fascists occasionally get eyes 219 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 1: on the countryside of Finland. Or maybe I'm not in 220 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 1: Finland at all. Maybe this whole thing is a sigh 221 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 1: up and I'm actually in the indigenous controlled regions of Siberia. 222 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 1: Who knows. So there was a sleigh, and and I 223 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 1: entered past a gate that probably had security of some kind. 224 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 1: Being vague is my least favorite part of wartime journalism. 225 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 1: The grounds itself are not Vishnu shielded, I'm glad to say. 226 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 1: And I transferred from the sleigh to a glorified golf cart, 227 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 1: occasionally throwing up a half hearted complaint that I could 228 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 1: walk just fine, which is half true. 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Well, the science fiction author Octavia Butler, That's who. 257 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 1: If you want to read the most eerily prescient science 258 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 1: fiction author of the twentieth century, then you want to 259 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 1: read Octavia Butler. Start with Parable of the Sewer and 260 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 1: then keep going until you spend half your time telling 261 00:16:50,240 --> 00:17:12,879 Speaker 1: everyone you know, God has change and we're back. Doctor 262 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 1: Lampo took me off to the far corner of the 263 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 1: large estate where the Peace Department does its studies. To 264 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 1: be honest, I don't mind that I'm not allowed to 265 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 1: cover the War Department or the Research Department. It has 266 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:29,439 Speaker 1: always been complicated for me as a lifelong vegan and 267 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 1: a longtime animal lover to reconcile my politics with our 268 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 1: use of animals in war, it would be still more 269 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 1: complicated for me to witness how the proverbial sausage is made. 270 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 1: I'm sure the de extincting process is not without suffering 271 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:47,399 Speaker 1: and experimentation, and I'm sure the study of dinosaurs in 272 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 1: war is no nicer. To be clear, I don't believe 273 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:54,679 Speaker 1: the facility runs tests like how many bullets can this 274 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:58,919 Speaker 1: Tyrannosaurus survive being shot with? But the War Department raises 275 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 1: dinosaurs from eggs to warrior in the fastest possible ways, 276 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:06,159 Speaker 1: including a number of growth acceleration technologies that I am 277 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 1: not privy to discuss the details of. And it's just well, 278 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 1: it's war. Younger scientists and likely younger listeners are more 279 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 1: fatalistic about such things. If your brain wasn't fully formed 280 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:24,400 Speaker 1: before World War III, you will likely accept a lot 281 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:27,600 Speaker 1: more suffering and death than us. Old softies are likely 282 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:32,360 Speaker 1: to The age. Discrepancy between scientists and the Peace Department 283 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:36,720 Speaker 1: and the War Department is immediately apparent. It's white haired 284 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:41,160 Speaker 1: over here in the Peace Department. It's also idyllic, an 285 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 1: old science fiction dream of a happy Mars colony or 286 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:47,439 Speaker 1: something we drove up to the entrance of a gigantic, 287 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 1: clear plastic dome, and I dismounted and walked through the 288 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:56,680 Speaker 1: entrance into a peaceful garden of gazebos and flowers and butterflies. 289 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 1: Throughout it all small and medium dinosaurs roamed freely, cooing 290 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 1: and clucking. The whole thing is heated to something like 291 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 1: eighty five degrees fahrenheit, I was told in Celsius. But 292 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:13,359 Speaker 1: the older I get, the stranger of things. I picked 293 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 1: to become stubborn about, like speaking in the human centered 294 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 1: Fahrenheit instead of the science minded Celsius. We walked along 295 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:23,199 Speaker 1: a mulched path, and I marveled at the beauty of 296 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 1: everything around me. What is it that you all do here, 297 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:32,359 Speaker 1: I asked doctor Lampo. Every species in this pavilion, with 298 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 1: the exception of ourselves, as Homo sapiens, was considered extinct 299 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:40,199 Speaker 1: by the year twenty forty five, he told me. I 300 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:43,920 Speaker 1: looked around at the flowers and butterflies, and insects and birds. 301 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 1: Besides the dinosaurs, they all seemed like species that were 302 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:50,480 Speaker 1: quite normal to me, species I'd spent most of my 303 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 1: life around. I even probably had the rate of extinction 304 00:19:55,920 --> 00:20:02,679 Speaker 1: in our lifetimes has been simply astounding, the doctor continued. 305 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:06,120 Speaker 1: When I was coming up in the sciences, a lot 306 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:09,919 Speaker 1: of discussions in both academic and activist circles was around 307 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:14,240 Speaker 1: the primissy of native plants to habitat restoration, which makes sense. 308 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:18,639 Speaker 1: Invasive species tend to throw off well established balances between 309 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:23,399 Speaker 1: species and destroy the equilibrium of a given ecosystem. But 310 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:25,760 Speaker 1: the thing is, and this is what you saw me 311 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:29,920 Speaker 1: present about. The day we met, a warming world shifts 312 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:34,119 Speaker 1: that balance. In the northern hemisphere, plants and animals creep 313 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 1: their way north. In the southern hemisphere they go south. 314 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 1: Species also move further up into mountains, and the deserts 315 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:47,159 Speaker 1: expand everywhere. Before ex vuogenesis, we were working with a 316 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:51,679 Speaker 1: dramatically shrinking pool of biodiversity. Our attempts to restore and 317 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:56,160 Speaker 1: preserve habitats, even shifting to adjust for climate, were hampered 318 00:20:56,200 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 1: by well lack of remaining options. De extinction alongside the 319 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:05,440 Speaker 1: Vishnu Shield are the two most powerful tools we've ever 320 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:08,840 Speaker 1: developed to help us mitigate the worst effects of climate change. 321 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:13,359 Speaker 1: All across the world, scientists are building these test gardens 322 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 1: to see what sort of ecosystems we can build and 323 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 1: what climates We anchor everything with native species, although sometimes 324 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:24,760 Speaker 1: they are native species from slightly further south or north, 325 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 1: but supplement them with species sometimes from all over the 326 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:31,520 Speaker 1: world and now from all over the history of the world, 327 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 1: to see how they relate and see what is compatible. 328 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:40,639 Speaker 1: Where did dinosaurs fit into this, I asked, Well, because 329 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 1: we want them to, Doctor Lompo said, We've got other 330 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 1: reasons besides that dinosaurs were adapted for a warmer world, 331 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:50,159 Speaker 1: so they can teach us about what life in a 332 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:54,199 Speaker 1: warm world can look like. Dinosaurs are generally larger than 333 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 1: the average animals today, and they can fit complex niches 334 00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:01,360 Speaker 1: within an ecosystem. Those are the reasons I'm probably supposed 335 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:05,320 Speaker 1: to give you, but frankly, we do it because we 336 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:09,440 Speaker 1: want to. Dinosaurs are neat God has changed and things 337 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:12,920 Speaker 1: are changing, and our general rule is the more biodiversity 338 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:15,640 Speaker 1: we can add to an area, the better, the more 339 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 1: resilient it is. Well, what happens if a de extincted 340 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:26,400 Speaker 1: species breaks containment and becomes an invasive species elsewhere. That's 341 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 1: happened several times already, and it'll keep happening, doctor Lompo said, 342 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 1: with a cavalierness that shocked me. If we had discovered 343 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 1: this technology in the nineteen forties instead of the twenty forties, 344 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:40,400 Speaker 1: I think it would be the foremost concern on any 345 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 1: of our minds. But it's simply not that way anymore. 346 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 1: The thing is, the world, without our help is dying. Rather, 347 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:55,680 Speaker 1: it was killed. The Earth was killed fifty years ago, 348 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 1: and its death throes are long and arduous. We didn't 349 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 1: stop climate change. Left to its own devices, the Earth 350 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 1: will always find some sort of equilibrium. But it's quite 351 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 1: possible that the equilibrium it will find this time might 352 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:15,639 Speaker 1: be the destruction of multicellular life on Earth. That's an 353 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:20,640 Speaker 1: extreme scenario, but not an impossible one. The mass extinction 354 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:23,760 Speaker 1: we've caused could very easily make the end of the 355 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 1: dinosaurs the original end of the dinosaurs seem like a 356 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:32,480 Speaker 1: minor course correction. We are skating on the brink of 357 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:36,920 Speaker 1: destruction even still, and it's only through Vishnu technology and 358 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:39,840 Speaker 1: ex vivogenesis that we've been able to course correct the 359 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:44,240 Speaker 1: tiniest bit. I know we're all caught up right now 360 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 1: in the global war against fascism, and that's an essential fight, 361 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 1: but it is and always has been, the less important fight. 362 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:58,479 Speaker 1: Fascism is the mini boss climate change is the big boss. 363 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:02,200 Speaker 1: Fascism is a threat to all human life on Earth. 364 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 1: Climate change is a threat to all life on Earth period. 365 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 1: It's a threat to the only life we know to 366 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:15,320 Speaker 1: exist anywhere in the universe. The stakes really are that high. 367 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 1: And to be clear, the fight against fascism is not 368 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:21,960 Speaker 1: a distraction. We need to destroy fascism in order to 369 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:25,879 Speaker 1: get to the big thoughts, and a global society that 370 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:30,320 Speaker 1: combines the best parts of decentralization and federation is exactly 371 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:34,920 Speaker 1: what we need to start to address climate change. Think 372 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 1: about this is a strange comparison, perhaps, but I grew 373 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:42,239 Speaker 1: up in the nineteen nineties as a gay man. I 374 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,680 Speaker 1: wasn't around for the AIDS crisis, but it was this very, 375 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 1: very present and recent and raw wound in my community. 376 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:53,560 Speaker 1: During the AIDS crisis, when gay men were essentially abandoned 377 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 1: to die by conservative society, no essentially killed on us 378 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 1: by medical neglect, some doctors and patients turned unorthodox means. 379 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:08,440 Speaker 1: As new experimental drugs came online, people volunteered to test 380 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:12,639 Speaker 1: them outside of accepted protocols. Because aides had more or 381 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 1: less one hundred percent mortality rate at the time, so 382 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:18,199 Speaker 1: you might as well, try to help everyone around you, 383 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 1: and hey, what if it saves you. That's the attitude 384 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 1: that has spread across the environmental research community over the 385 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 1: past few decades. The Earth is in trouble, dire trouble, 386 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 1: existential trouble. Every native ecosystem is essentially doomed unless we 387 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:40,600 Speaker 1: course correct and fast and hard. We should try to 388 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:44,680 Speaker 1: keep de extincted species contained, for sure, we should try 389 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:48,479 Speaker 1: to experiment as safely as possible, but being too slow 390 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 1: and too cautious will doom us. It's like driving up 391 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:57,720 Speaker 1: a steep dirt road. I suggested. You have to commit. 392 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:02,880 Speaker 1: You have to COMMITO agreed. We're trying things that would 393 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:06,080 Speaker 1: have been unethical to try only fifty years ago, but 394 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 1: now it would be unethical to not try. The ecosystems 395 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:12,320 Speaker 1: we are likely to be living in one hundred years 396 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:15,960 Speaker 1: from now might look more like the ecosystems from sixty 397 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 1: five million years ago than they look like the ecosystem 398 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:23,200 Speaker 1: of sixty five years ago. And we want those ecosystems 399 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:26,280 Speaker 1: to be full of life and diversity. We want them 400 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:29,639 Speaker 1: to be beautiful and fulfilling to live in. And yeah, 401 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 1: it seems likely that they'll have dinosaurs in them, and 402 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 1: that's where I'll leave it for this week. When we 403 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,399 Speaker 1: come back next week, we're going to hear a counterpoint 404 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 1: to that position from a dinosaur skeptic who also works 405 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 1: at the Department of Peace. In the meantime, though, keep 406 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:51,399 Speaker 1: fighting that mini boss bascism must be stopped, and we 407 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 1: will stop it together with or without the help of dinosaurs. 408 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:02,159 Speaker 1: Margaret in twenty two, twenty five. Here, boy, what a 409 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,040 Speaker 1: fun message from the future. It's really great to know 410 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 1: that I'm still around thirty years from now. Isn't that exciting? 411 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 1: I'm excited for it. But you know what else is 412 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:16,359 Speaker 1: around soon or than thirty years from now, tomorrow If 413 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,320 Speaker 1: you're listening to this today when it comes out, where 414 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 1: you're listening to it today in your own relative terms, 415 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:25,320 Speaker 1: no matter what. But if you're listening to this on Sunday, 416 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:30,960 Speaker 1: the day comes out March second, then tomorrow March third, 417 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:35,960 Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, the Kickstarter launches for the Immortal Choir 418 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,879 Speaker 1: that holds every voice, and that means several things for you. 419 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 1: One it means there's only a couple more weeks where 420 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 1: I keep telling you about this Kickstarter, and you can 421 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,960 Speaker 1: be glad that I'll have something else to plug in 422 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,840 Speaker 1: the future instead of constantly plugging this one thing. But 423 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:54,960 Speaker 1: it also means that tomorrow you can go back that Kickstarter. 424 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:59,000 Speaker 1: You can get access to the third book in the 425 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:01,440 Speaker 1: Danielle Kine series, and even the first two books in 426 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 1: the Daniel Kaine series, because we're even going to offer 427 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 1: all three of the books as one of the rewards, 428 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,360 Speaker 1: and there's gonna be audio books, and there's gonna be 429 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,880 Speaker 1: tattoo flash maybe if we reach our stretch goals, and 430 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 1: you know, it's gonna be fun. It's really funny to 431 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 1: be like, it's gonna be fun to have a Kickstarter. 432 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,679 Speaker 1: I actually kind of do like kickstarter campaigns. It's just 433 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:26,679 Speaker 1: very strange right now to be putting together books with 434 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:30,199 Speaker 1: the way the world is. But I think that you 435 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 1: all might like this book. I think that this book, 436 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,080 Speaker 1: The Immortal Choir That Holds Every Voice, is some of 437 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 1: my best reflections on grief and what it's like to 438 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 1: hold on to loss. But it's also fun. There's trolls, 439 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:53,200 Speaker 1: there's evil fairies, there's I don't know love. It's great. 440 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 1: You'll like it or you wonte Either way, I'll be 441 00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 1: back next week. There're more book Club It Could Happen 442 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,000 Speaker 1: Here as a production of cool Zone Media. 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