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Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: My voice is finally almost sort of back to normal,

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Speaker 1: which you know, I appreciate. I tweeted that I had

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Speaker 1: had a bad cough for like nine days and it

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Speaker 1: was going away, and I got a lot of very

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Speaker 1: funny answers, and I'm thankful for all the people that

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Speaker 1: wished me well and so I'm doing better. Thank you

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Speaker 1: for asking. So this week, if you're on that X platform,

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Speaker 1: a user tweeted some marital advice. His name is Tyler

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Speaker 1: Tote Todt, his handle is ty Ral and he wrote

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Speaker 1: it was in a thread of other marital advice, but

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Speaker 1: this tweet is the one that went viral. He said,

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Speaker 1: tip for women. Most of us men really want to help,

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Speaker 1: but don't know how. Give us lists, give us list

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Speaker 1: items weekly. We can take off your plate and we'd

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Speaker 1: love to help. Guys ask her what I can take

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Speaker 1: off your plate to time. The key is solid communication

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Speaker 1: around this. We can't read minds. This tweet blew up.

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Speaker 1: I mean it was everywhere. Women took this tweet super well.

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Speaker 2: Being a little sarcastic there, he.

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Speaker 1: Got thousands of responses calling him names, saying women don't

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Speaker 1: want to make no stinking lists for.

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Speaker 2: No men, etc.

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Speaker 1: I find this bananas. I've talked about this on the

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Speaker 1: show before, but my husband and I do not have

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Speaker 1: equal distribution of household or children duties, not even close.

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Speaker 1: My job is way more flexible, so I do more

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Speaker 1: around the house period. It's not even about gender rules.

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Speaker 1: I have more time, so obviously I'm going to be

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Speaker 1: the one to do it, and when I want him

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Speaker 1: to do something, I ask him to do it. This

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Speaker 1: complex that some women have where they just expect men

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Speaker 1: to read their minds is baffling to me. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I always like to say, have they met men? Do

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Speaker 1: they seem like they could read our minds. What I

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Speaker 1: really think helps us in our marriage is that we

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Speaker 1: have a clear delineation of duties. Some things that, for example,

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Speaker 1: wouldn't fall into either mine or his categories, we somehow

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Speaker 1: just know who would handle a charge or a credit

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Speaker 1: card that is an error, that's all me. Always our

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Speaker 1: fridge right now currently leaking. I have provided the towel

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Speaker 1: to soak up the water, but everybody understands I'm not

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Speaker 1: the one calling the repair man. I don't know why

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Speaker 1: this is it's just the way it is. It's not

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Speaker 1: perfect right. Sometimes there'll be things that he would think

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Speaker 1: are my responsibility or I would think are his responsibility,

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Speaker 1: and the other person's like, wait, I didn't know that.

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Speaker 1: And I can think of various times in our marriage

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Speaker 1: fifteen years now that we've given each other lists of

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Speaker 1: things to do, like, hey, I need these things done.

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Speaker 1: What's so wrong about that? This idea that the man

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Speaker 1: should just know is crazy. The responses are like if

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Speaker 1: the dishes are dirty, wash them, or the bathroom always

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Speaker 1: needs cleaning. Again, have you met men? I know all

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Speaker 1: about the idea of weaponizing competence when a man pretends

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Speaker 1: he doesn't know how to do something so his wife

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Speaker 1: will do it for him. But that's not what we're

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Speaker 1: talking about here. This is about the reality that most

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Speaker 1: single straight men do not take care of their homes

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Speaker 1: to the standards of the average women. I think we

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Speaker 1: all know this. Look. Of course, there are exceptions. There

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Speaker 1: are men who are very tidy, who take super great

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Speaker 1: Maybe they have a cleaning woman come once a week,

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Speaker 1: maybe they do it themselves, but that's not the standard thing.

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Speaker 1: The whole joke about the men who have the mattress

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Speaker 1: they get a girlfriend who's like enough of this. Yes,

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Speaker 1: you're going to have to teach him some stuff, explain

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Speaker 1: some things, and let's be real here, in most relationships,

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Speaker 1: he'll teach you some things too. This rage at men

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Speaker 1: is not healthy for anyone, and it's not productive. It

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Speaker 1: festures online women talk each other into believing that good men,

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Speaker 1: men who actually want to help their wives, are actually

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Speaker 1: your spouse, but more than that, stay away from these

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Speaker 1: internet chats. This insanity that festerres If you're in a

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Speaker 1: good marriage, whether you're a man or a woman, protect

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Speaker 1: it from these raging voices. It was that great poet

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Speaker 1: Mick Jagger who said, during the one random solo country

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Speaker 1: album he made, love is fragile. You hide it from

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Speaker 1: the light, don't let the internet in. Coming up next

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Speaker 1: and interview with Madeline fries Schultz. Join us after the break.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio. My

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Speaker 3: guest today is Madeline fries Schultz Madeline the contributors editor

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Speaker 3: at the Washton Examiner, of visiting fellow at Independent Women's

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Speaker 3: Forum I Love Them, and a contributing writer for Verile Magazine.

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Speaker 3: She's also an online editor for Human Life Review and

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Speaker 3: has been published in more than a dozen outlets. She

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Speaker 3: studied French and journalism at Hillsdale College. Follow her on

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Speaker 3: exit Madeline Frye him, Madeline, So nice to have.

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Speaker 2: You on all right, thanks for having me. So I

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Speaker 3: Start with the Hillsdale part because I just did a

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Speaker 3: fellowship there a few months ago, and I loved it

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Speaker 3: incredible place. And I was particularly impressed. I mean, the faculty,

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Speaker 3: the campus, all of it. It's amazing, but the students, like,

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Speaker 3: So I wanted to ask you when you were there,

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Speaker 3: something different than other colleges. Because I've spoken to college kids,

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Speaker 3: I've met really smart kids, but Hillsdale was something else entirely.

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Speaker 3: The way that they look you in the eye, the

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean I don't want to talk up Hillsdale

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Speaker 2: too much. Obviously I love it, but at the time

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Speaker 2: it felt very normal because I didn't have a different

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Speaker 2: But mostly you would dress up to go to class

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Speaker 2: love the visiting professors. We had Mark and Mark and

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Speaker 2: Molly Hemingway, we had Heather McDonald from City Journal. I'm

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Speaker 2: sad that I missed your class as a few years

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Speaker 2: I definitely recommended. I know everybody's aunt and uncle and

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Speaker 3: if you started Jewish Hillsdale, I am in for.

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Speaker 2: I met my husband through a friend that I met

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Speaker 3: it has a lot to do with where you go

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Speaker 2: Yeah, going way back, my first thing that I ever

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Speaker 2: a teen column for you? And so for a few months,

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Speaker 2: I did a teen column. I called it Moxie. I

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So that's how I kind of got started. And

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Speaker 3: Nothing better than when we all become experts overnight on

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Speaker 2: It happens more than you would think, even with my.

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Speaker 2: I would say my beat is culture. Funnily enough, I

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Speaker 3: back on the Carol Marcowitch Show. So a question that

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Speaker 3: cultural problem? Since you cover cultural issues.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I'm going to say that it's the gender wars.

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Speaker 2: of other problems. A lot of things stem from this,

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Speaker 2: as well as apply them. I think is the Yeah, well,

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Speaker 3: We have at least two projects for you to get

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Speaker 2: So this is great. I'll get right to work.

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Speaker 3: So do you feel like you've made it getting to

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Speaker 3: you know, write and you're a mom and you're you

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Speaker 3: Do you feel like you're there?

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Speaker 2: I am in a really great position and I'm really

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Speaker 2: and I think that's another thing going back to our

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Speaker 2: there are lots of ways that you can freelance and

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Speaker 2: idea of women completely not working is just totally irrelevant

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Speaker 2: because you can work from home and you can do

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Speaker 3: Absolutely. I used to be, you know, one of the

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Speaker 3: I always wrote my columns from home. And now everyone

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Speaker 3: so I enjoy them, you know, being everywhere they're getting

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I appreciate that a lot, especially with a two

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Speaker 3: Right, If that's it. I think moms understand that that

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Speaker 3: enjoyed that a lot. So and here this is a

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Speaker 3: great conversation. I love talking to you. And here with

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Speaker 3: your best tip for my listeners on how they can

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Speaker 3: improve their lives.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I have one that I think is really good.

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Speaker 2: It's not super fancy, but it is something you can

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Speaker 2: do today, this very moment to make your life better.

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Speaker 2: And it is to go on a walk. And my

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Speaker 3: But I'm in Florida. It's actually twenty thousand degrees.

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Speaker 2: Oh maybe it's treadmill. I don't know, but actually, well,

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Speaker 2: you know, I think it's really good to be in nature.

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Speaker 2: But we did this yesterday. I was having a terrible

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Speaker 2: day for absolutely no reason, and we just went on

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Speaker 2: a really long walk through our neighborhood. We were swimming

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Speaker 2: our butts off by the end of it. But I

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Speaker 2: just felt absolutely fine afterwards. And it's not going to

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Speaker 2: solve all your problems, but it will solve a lot

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Speaker 2: of them. Just get out of nature. Get don't bring

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Speaker 2: your phone on the walk unless you want to listen

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Speaker 2: to a podcast. Maybe that's okay, but don't check your

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Speaker 2: phone on the walk, right, particularly this podcast, then you

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Speaker 2: can listen to it exactly.

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Speaker 3: Take the Carol Marcowitch Show with you on your walk

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Speaker 3: through nature. Thank you so much, Madeline, she's Madeline Fright Schultz.

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Speaker 3: I loved having you on. You're just fantastic and read

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Speaker 3: her stuff at all the places that she writes, and

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Speaker 3: follow her on Twitter X and I still can't quite

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Speaker 3: get onto the X thing.

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Speaker 2: Call. Thank you, thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for joining us on the Carol Marcowitch Show.

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