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Speaker 1: Get up, get just get up.

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Speaker 2: What's up? Mets fans?

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to another episode of The Mets Stuff Podcast,

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Speaker 3: episode number one sixty two, and we're super excited to

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Speaker 3: do a little bit of a season preview interview with

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Speaker 3: Mike Petriello, baseballwriter MLB dot Com.

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Speaker 2: You've seen them all over Twitter too.

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Speaker 3: He's one of the smartest guys right now talking about baseball,

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Speaker 3: and we're super excited to have Mike here talking about

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Speaker 3: the New York Mets for the Toy twenty three season,

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Speaker 3: as well as just baseball in general. So first off, Mike,

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Speaker 3: thank you so much for being here with us.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate it a thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: Guys excited.

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Speaker 3: So h, I mean, first off, this is just it's

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Speaker 3: it's kind of new because it's coming out today kind

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Speaker 3: of actively as we're speaking right now, is MLB Network

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Speaker 3: is doing their top ten right now, and you've dropped

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Speaker 3: your top ten starting pitcher list, so we want to

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Speaker 3: kind of just go through it and maybe you know,

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Speaker 3: pick your brain a little bit.

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Speaker 2: James is a huge pitching guy.

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Speaker 3: James is what we call the pitching whisper on this podcast,

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Speaker 3: so I'm sure I'll have some some good questions for

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Speaker 3: you here, but the top ten, just for those guys

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Speaker 3: who have not seen it yet. Number one Jacob de

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Speaker 3: Gram two Aaron Nola, three, San Diialcintara four Corbyn Burns five,

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Speaker 3: Justin Verlander six, Carlos Rodan seven, Shane McClanahan, eight, Kevin Gosman,

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Speaker 3: nine Framber Valdez and ten Shoho Tani. So, Mike, maybe

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Speaker 3: you can give the listeners and viewers at home a

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Speaker 3: little insight. I know it's top ten right now, but

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Speaker 3: what really goes into your rankings or what you're looking

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Speaker 3: for with your pictures.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I've been doing this for ten years now, I think,

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Speaker 1: and this is always the most difficult one because some

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Speaker 1: other positions it's like, oh yeah, top seven and then

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Speaker 1: I guess I'll fill out the bottom three. In this one,

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Speaker 1: it's like there's so many good starting pitchers. I think

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Speaker 1: I had thirty one guys on my initial list that

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Speaker 1: to explain how deep this position is is, let me

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Speaker 1: give you like a top ten of guys who did

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Speaker 1: not make my top ten, all right, Dylan c Smackcherzer,

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Speaker 1: Max Fried Spencer, Strider, Shane Bieber, Garrett Cole, Alecuano, Luis Castillo, Loganweb.

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Speaker 1: It's like and like, oh what about Julio Ariz, you know,

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Speaker 1: what about ten other guys. It's it's obscene how difficult

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Speaker 4: Funnily like, as these rankings were coming out today, I

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Speaker 4: and farm some engagement, talk to the people a little bit.

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Speaker 4: And I just I've always had immense respect for Garrett Cole,

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Speaker 4: just from the consistency year over year and pitching in

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Speaker 4: Yankee Stadium, the American League East scheduling has to play

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Speaker 4: against every year. He's somewhere you did not have in

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Speaker 4: your top ten. Can you explain why?

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Speaker 1: Because then I've had would have had to bump somebody else. Honestly, like,

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Speaker 1: Garret Cole's very good, So you know, he was certainly

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Speaker 1: one of the guys I considered. And you know, at

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Speaker 1: hard to find reasons not to include some of these guys,

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Speaker 1: reason not to include him. Well, there's not a full

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Speaker 1: season track record, right for Cole, it was, you know,

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Speaker 1: Garrett Cole's amazing. You threw two hundred innings last year.

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Speaker 1: Like I'm I'm not complaining about Garrett Cole, but you know,

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Speaker 2: I saw at the number five spot.

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Speaker 3: I feel like Mets fans are really interested to hear

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Speaker 1: I think the thing people forget about this this sometimes

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Speaker 1: And aside from age, not really like when when he's

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Speaker 1: when's the last time is he pitched and not been

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Speaker 4: Uh that probably one two maybe more questions I have

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna ask you another guy about an omission, Max Scherz,

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Speaker 4: And I'm sure Mets fans would like to know why

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Speaker 4: maybe Max Scherzer is not in this top ten number two.

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Speaker 1: Well, Max Suers is not here because I hate the Mets.

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Speaker 1: Let's totally make that player for everybody. No, I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 1: So that's why I mean, issuers are in that next

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Speaker 4: Uh any just any of the guys you didn't name,

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Speaker 4: because I know you gave the ten. Then you said

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Speaker 1: I can't remember if I said Logan Web, but I

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Speaker 1: did I say Zach Wheeler? If whoever I didn't say,

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Speaker 3: I feel like the National League eest in general, the

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Speaker 1: Feels like, yeah, absolutely, Like I said, it's starting, pitching

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Speaker 4: Much more data and science and pitching now than never was,

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Speaker 4: and all the work you've done there, because I think

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Speaker 4: And then will you think if anything you could decline

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Speaker 1: That's a loaded question. I mean the best thing is

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Speaker 1: we can know Barry Bonds is exoflacity, and like, no,

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's so many examples if you want to

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Speaker 1: It's going to be really interesting to watch. Like I'm

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Speaker 1: We have, hopefully before the regular season a couple of

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Speaker 1: cool catching metrics that we're working on that I think

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Speaker 1: people will like. I think, you know, for baseball history,

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Speaker 1: everybody's known you steal bases off the picture and not

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Speaker 1: the catcher. But catchers have always been judged on caught

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Speaker 1: stealing percentage, which is kind of garbage. So we're working

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Speaker 1: on that to take into account the speed of the

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Speaker 1: runner or what kind of lead the picture let him

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Speaker 1: get off ass you was to the plate, and apply

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Speaker 1: that to the catcher. So I think that's going to

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Speaker 1: be pretty cool. I'm excited about that one.

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Speaker 4: We talked about the pitch clock for a little bit

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Speaker 4: before when we were talking about the shift, but just

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Speaker 4: to scale back to that, would you think effects the

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Speaker 4: pin new pitchclocks can have on the great.

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Speaker 1: I don't have you guys, James, you know you live

447
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Speaker 1: in Brooklyn. Did you go to any Cyclones games last summer?

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Speaker 1: We went to a.

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Speaker 4: Few two years ago, and Mark and I last year

450
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Speaker 4: also went to the Fall League, and that was the

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Speaker 4: first time we saw the picture was on and we

452
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Speaker 4: would do the thing where like yeah, and the fifth

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Speaker 4: inning you start talking to each other and then you're like,

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Speaker 4: oh my, it's only been two hours and fifteen minutes.

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Speaker 1: Like the time I asked that because that was the

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Speaker 1: first time I saw it in person was last summer

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Speaker 1: I went to Cyclones game. My son, I'm like, this

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Speaker 1: is great, Like he just gets the ball and he

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Speaker 1: throws the ball. And I know people get angsty about

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Speaker 1: the idea that there might be a clock in baseball,

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Speaker 1: but I think what's gonna happen is the first three

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Speaker 1: weeks or so are going to be rough, right, and

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Speaker 1: then everybody's gonna be like, this is amazing. Like if

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Speaker 1: you go back to the umpires checking the sticky substance

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Speaker 1: or whatever, ninety nine percent of the guys I got fine,

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Speaker 1: no problem, no big deal. And of course there were

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Speaker 1: like two guys who lost their minds, like sures It

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Speaker 1: for example, exactly right. So you're gonna definitely have some

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Speaker 1: issues where some of the veteran guys especially, I think,

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Speaker 1: are gonna have some trouble with it. I think we

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Speaker 1: underestimate how many of the younger guys have already seen this.

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Speaker 1: You know. I was listening to Chris Bassett was on

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Speaker 1: the radio yesterday and he's an older guy, right, and

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Speaker 1: he's like, yeah, l in Arizona Fall League, Like I've

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Speaker 1: I've done this before. So you know, some of like

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Speaker 1: the older guys like the Kershaws, the Waynwrights or whatever,

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Speaker 1: maybe Kenny Jansen's gonna be a great example because he's

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Speaker 1: so slow. Those guys are gonna be affected. And I'm

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Speaker 1: pretty interested to see what happens to the hitters. We

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Speaker 1: only talk about this from the point of view with

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Speaker 1: the pitchers. Mark Kenna takes forever at the play, just

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Speaker 1: like a year between pitches. Now he's gonna be hustled

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Speaker 1: into the box. You know, what is that did his approach?

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Speaker 1: What is it going to do to the fielders? Like,

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Speaker 1: I never really thought about this till the other day.

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Speaker 1: The positioning band uh also prevents guys from moving all

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Speaker 1: around the field, but like you don't have time to

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Speaker 1: do it anymore, you know, Like would you have time

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Speaker 1: to send Manny Machado out to right field two hundred

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Speaker 1: and twenty feet away? Maybe you wouldn't. So it's kind

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Speaker 1: of all I got to work together and really fascinated

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Speaker 1: to see this.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we talked to Scherzer during the season and asked

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Speaker 3: him about the pitch clock, and one of the things

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Speaker 3: that he said, which you just brought up, was how

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Speaker 3: one He's like, I'm gonna weaponize it against the hitters

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Speaker 3: because they're used to having all their time. I'm gonna

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Speaker 3: make them get ready and like you don't have a

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Speaker 3: lot of time to think about what's going to be next,

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Speaker 3: which I mean like we love baseball for what it was,

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Speaker 3: and obviously, like people get scared whenever change comes in,

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Speaker 3: but personally, these changes feel like they're gonna be great

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Speaker 3: for baseball. Shift is maybe a little more up in

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Speaker 3: the air, but the pitchclock, like when we saw in

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Speaker 3: the Fall League, like you said, James, the way that

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Speaker 3: the game moves is so enjoyable. It really makes like

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Speaker 3: I don't want baseball to be over quicker, but it

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Speaker 3: really does make the game feel like it's fast paced.

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Speaker 1: It's not less baseball, it's just more baseball and less time.

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Speaker 1: There's less not baseball happening, higher baseball density.

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Speaker 4: I also remember there was a series where the Mets

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Speaker 4: played the Cardinals in twenty twenty one and Terry Collins

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Speaker 4: was actually doing the games with how We Rose on

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Speaker 4: the radio, and Terry's just he's a baseball guy. He

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Speaker 4: would get down the field and talk to the players

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Speaker 4: and he said he had a conversation with I believe

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Speaker 4: it was Paul Deyong pregame and a game where Adam

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Speaker 4: Waynwright was pitching, and Deyong said he likes playing defense

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Speaker 4: so much for Waynwright because of that rhythm he gets it,

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Speaker 4: because of the speed which he works. It allows the

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Speaker 4: defender to be on their toes a little bit more,

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Speaker 4: stop blank sitting back on their heels, and that makes

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Speaker 4: them play better defense. And if you look back years

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Speaker 4: of this wonderful stackcast day that we have, Adam Wayne

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Speaker 4: rag routine lely has some of the best OAA behind

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Speaker 4: him in the entire league, even like spades better than

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Speaker 4: the Cardinals other pitchers.

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Speaker 1: Which is it's funny to hear.

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Speaker 4: I'm sure this must be one of the most incredible

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Speaker 4: things for you ever hear when like something that a

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Speaker 4: player says actually bears itself out in the data like

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Speaker 4: for us to see it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's cool. You can tell they're paying attention,

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Speaker 1: they're obviously using it, they know about it, and I

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Speaker 1: think what teams have gotten better at is communicating it

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Speaker 1: to them Like it's cool to see some of the

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Speaker 1: ex players like Dan Haron's a great example, you know,

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Speaker 1: guys like that who lived the life on the field.

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Speaker 1: You know, Brian Banister is a good one, but can

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Speaker 1: also communicate it to the players in a way that

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Speaker 1: helps them get better. So it's like, is it nerd stuff?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: But is it improving the quality of play on the

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Speaker 1: field also? Yeah, And I think that's a pretty cool thing.

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Speaker 3: So two, I mean, like the new wave of you know,

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Speaker 3: statistics analytics coming into baseball is something that I think

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Speaker 3: scares a lot of fans. Like me and James talk

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Speaker 3: about it a lot. We're younger generation of baseball fans.

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Speaker 3: We've been taking in this information a lot from guys

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Speaker 3: like you and other people in the baseball world.

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Speaker 2: What would you say, is.

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Speaker 3: Maybe like the easiest way for someone to ease into

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Speaker 3: learning these statistics so that they can understand the game

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Speaker 3: a little deeper.

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Speaker 1: Well, follow me on Twitter. I think that was definitely

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Speaker 1: because I plug it go ahead. No, I think I

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Speaker 1: think pretty much every broadcast is integrating this stuff in

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Speaker 1: some way. And now that we're it's fifteen years in

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Speaker 1: a pitch tracking, right, you know, seven or eight years

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Speaker 1: in this stack cast. I think it's gone at different

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Speaker 1: speeds and it's taken some of them a little longer

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Speaker 1: to get there. But a lot of this just goes

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Speaker 1: into cool visuals, like you don't have to make everything

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Speaker 1: a physics class. One of the things I like, just

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Speaker 1: like the simplest thing to understand is they'll do like

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Speaker 1: the high home shot or you can see the infield

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Speaker 1: and they'll just show the hitter spray chart like in

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Speaker 1: the five pie slices on the field, and like they'll

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Speaker 1: color code it and it's like you don't need to

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Speaker 1: understand anything about how what went into that. It's like, oh,

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Speaker 1: this guy usually hits the ball over there, and before

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Speaker 1: this year, at least, I think it helped you understand

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Speaker 1: why there might be four guys standing on the right

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Speaker 1: side of second base, because like, I know that was

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Speaker 1: gonna happen. If you don't know who Joe Gallo is,

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Speaker 1: you'd be like, what the hell is this? But when

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Speaker 1: you see that and it's like, oh, he only hits

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Speaker 1: the ball to that side like four percent of the time,

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Speaker 1: why would you bother wasting the fielder there? I think

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Speaker 1: that's the kind of stuff that can really help you

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Speaker 1: get into the advanced analytics of the game and mostly

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Speaker 1: understand what teams are trying to do, not even realize

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Speaker 1: that you're learning something. You know, like yeah, you can

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Speaker 1: go deep into spin axis and seem shifted awake and

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Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff if you want to. But

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Speaker 1: anything that can really just be passed along in a leaderboard,

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Speaker 1: in a visual I think that's what makes a big impact.

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Speaker 4: You mentioned the incorporation of these kind of event stats

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Speaker 4: and broadcasts. You yourself have been central to that with

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Speaker 4: the stack cast broadcast and ESPN.

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Speaker 1: How do you like that?

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Speaker 4: Has that been fun? And what are the plans for

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Speaker 4: the stack cast broadcast.

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Speaker 1: Is mostly dead? I think yes, it was super fun,

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Speaker 1: like an unbelievable thing. Wow, come on, we didn't do

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Speaker 1: it last year. We just did the home run derby, right,

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Speaker 1: So I see victim of our own success in some

598
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Speaker 1: sense because it was a second screen and once the

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Speaker 1: main show kind of starts taking all the cool stuff,

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Speaker 1: including our producer Andy Jacobson and Boro Perez and hiring

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Speaker 1: David Cohne, who you know talks about this stuff better

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Speaker 1: than I do. And oh yeah, is a borderline Hall

603
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Speaker 1: of Fame caliber pitcher. How do you second screen against that?

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Speaker 1: That's where it gets a little tough, and that's a

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Speaker 1: good thing, right, Like we're almost a testing ground for

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Speaker 1: a lot of this stuff, where it's like, hey, can

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Speaker 1: you even put this garbage on? TV and will it

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Speaker 1: be interesting and entertaining? And I like to think that

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Speaker 1: most of it was, and now that it's on like

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Speaker 1: main shows, so for me to say, well, we're going

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Speaker 1: to come up with something that's like way beyond that,

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Speaker 1: then you start getting into the territory of, oh, wait,

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Speaker 1: is this still entertaining TV? Or am I just like

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Speaker 1: putting spreadsheets on the air, now, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: So I've been helping with the main show, like behind

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Speaker 1: the scenes, give them storylines and stats and stuff like that.

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Speaker 1: But I'm happy that in our brief time on the air,

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Speaker 1: we were able to make a difference. And I can always

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Speaker 1: say I got to call a playoff game at Wrigley Field,

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Speaker 1: like that's cool. I ever kinda forget now that's awesome.

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Speaker 3: I mean we loved it obviously, as like big stat

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Speaker 3: Nerds baseball guy. So I mean it stinks that it's

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Speaker 3: not gonna be exists, but like you said, it is

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Speaker 3: good that it's now getting more incorporated into just the

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Speaker 3: main broadcast, which is always good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: No, I mean that's pain and ELI do the second

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Speaker 4: broadcast against Joe Buck Like this seems like I have

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Speaker 4: a brother.

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Speaker 1: He's not a huge baseball fan. He mostly like soccer,

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Speaker 1: but I could get him on there. We could talk

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Speaker 1: about baseball and see how that goes perfect. All right,

633
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Speaker 1: so I'll pitch it with ESPN.

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Speaker 3: I feel like we should probably move into the Mets

635
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Speaker 3: now a little bit more, just because there feels like

636
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Speaker 3: there's a lot of storylines and conversation with this team.

637
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Speaker 3: Obviously won one hundred and one games last year, a

638
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Speaker 3: little bit disappointing finish, and a crazy, crazy offseason of

639
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Speaker 3: you know, could have, should have maybe all this stuff

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Speaker 3: all over the place. So Mets really did bring in

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Speaker 3: a lot of new guys, and I think one of

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Speaker 3: the most interesting guys is Code I Senga. So, as

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Speaker 3: a guy who does a lot of projecting and has,

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Speaker 3: you know, all this data, what do you think about

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Speaker 3: a guy like Code I Senga coming from Japan.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna take the cop out answer and say, I

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Speaker 1: don't know. I don't have we don't have Japanese data, right,

648
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Speaker 1: so I can't tell you that much about how his

649
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Speaker 1: pitches move. Like I can read the scouting reports the

650
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,679
Speaker 1: same as everybody else. We could say, oh, you know,

651
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,159
Speaker 1: the way his pitches move probably remind you of this

652
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 1: guy or that guy. But until we see him, uh,

653
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:17,679
Speaker 1: we're just we're just not gonna know. You know, all

654
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:19,960
Speaker 1: the scouting reports seem good, but I'd be lying if

655
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,160
Speaker 1: I said I had like a great projection on him

656
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,400
Speaker 1: or a great insight to his pitch data, because until

657
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:25,720
Speaker 1: he gets in front of the cameras, we're just not

658
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:29,200
Speaker 1: gonna have much that's fair without being able to project code.

659
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Speaker 4: I saying, Who's I think probably the biggest question mark

660
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,880
Speaker 4: on this Mets team is there any player looking at

661
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 4: as someone who's underrated, someone might be able to break out,

662
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 4: someone who Mets fans might not be super aware of

663
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:41,119
Speaker 4: right now but should be excited about. Well.

664
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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm interested to see if Tommy fam could

665
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,439
Speaker 1: bounce back. I thought that was a pretty fun signing.

666
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:47,440
Speaker 1: I think it's a good it's a good fit for him.

667
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 1: I I would not really want him as my six

668
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 1: hundred plate appearance every day outfielder guy, like I don't

669
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:56,240
Speaker 1: think that's necessarily where he is anymore, but as the

670
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 1: backup takes some plate appearances when necessary, maybe Dah is

671
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:01,320
Speaker 1: a little bit. I think there's still some life in

672
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 1: his bad you know, because if you go look at

673
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,879
Speaker 1: the you know the stack as metrics, it's not like

674
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 1: White as good as as a once was. But obviously

675
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,880
Speaker 1: he's getting a little older. And his hard hit rate

676
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,400
Speaker 1: it was like ninety percent last year. That's that's still

677
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,440
Speaker 1: pretty good. You know. Is he a great fielder anymore?

678
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:16,680
Speaker 2: No?

679
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:19,680
Speaker 1: Is he straight out too much? Probably? But you put

680
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,359
Speaker 1: him in the right situations. You know what I think

681
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 1: they're gonna do. What I think every smart team is

682
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,359
Speaker 1: doing now, is it's not so much platoon like lefty

683
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 1: and righty. It's more of a platoon against like pitch shapes.

684
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:32,919
Speaker 1: You know. So if they say, man, this guy's swing,

685
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,119
Speaker 1: like the way his swing goes, it's really geared towards

686
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 1: and I don't know what it is for him. Maybe

687
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,919
Speaker 1: it's you know, sinker balls, maybe it's high pitches he's spinned.

688
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,120
Speaker 1: Whatever it is for him, that those are the matchups

689
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 1: they're going to find to put him in. And I

690
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 1: don't think every team is good at doing that, but

691
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:47,399
Speaker 1: like we know, the Giants were good at it a

692
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 1: couple of years ago. And if you can still hit

693
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 1: the ball as hard as he could, I think you're

694
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,119
Speaker 1: gonna be surprised how much production you'll still get out

695
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 1: of him. That's good because I feel like for me,

696
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 1: I like wasn't quite sure of the fit for Tommy

697
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 1: Famness necessarily. And I feel like a lot of Met

698
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 1: fans too, they see Tommy fam as a guy who

699
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 1: was an All Star and now is going to be

700
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 1: coming into a backup role after maybe a couple down years.

701
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 1: So being able to explain, like, no, this is actually

702
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 1: the perfect role for him, probably probably helping out some

703
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:14,679
Speaker 1: of our Mets fans here. So we appreciate that that

704
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 1: you're you're keeping them a little calm with that. Well, wait, know,

705
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 1: whatever I can do. You got a left handed DH

706
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 1: and Vogel bomb, you got to lefties in the outfield.

707
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:23,360
Speaker 1: I mean, it's gonna be good. It's gonna work out,

708
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 1: Vogel vocal back. It's funny when you say that too

709
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 1: about pitch shapes.

710
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:30,639
Speaker 4: I remember a few years ago, I actually think I

711
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,479
Speaker 4: sent Mark an article from Baseball Prospectus by Robert Wiser,

712
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 4: who was one of their newer, newer age, younger riders.

713
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 4: Yet he wrote about how the Giants were a team

714
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 4: that did that the first time, and then just I

715
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 4: would just scroll around Savant and Stackcast, just hanging out

716
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 4: sometimes you always notice, like when you scroll past the

717
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 4: guy's run values hithers, it's so rare to find ones

718
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:50,719
Speaker 4: who are both exceptional against both fastballs and sinkers, as

719
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 4: in just two pitches that someone will see quite often

720
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 4: that have slightly different shapes. And then again, this is

721
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 4: kind of like comment I made like ten mimus ago.

722
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 4: It's so cool when like you see someone say something

723
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 4: and then you can put it to like other data

724
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 4: is really easy to digest. It's fun. It's truthfully fun

725
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 4: to like see these baseball things realize them.

726
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know it's cool. I mean it makes you

727
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 1: feel like you understand the game more. And it's wild

728
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 1: to think after all this time, especially now that I

729
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 1: work in baseball full time, that you can still learn

730
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:15,959
Speaker 1: more about this game that you've been watching for decades

731
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 1: and decades, but there's always something new, and I think

732
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 1: that's part of why I love it so much.

733
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 3: Okay, so you mentioned working in baseball full time, and

734
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 3: I think we would be.

735
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 2: We got to ask this one.

736
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Speaker 3: We saw that you used to work for Bowlmore as

737
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 3: a digital content manager. How did you go from there

738
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 3: to where you're at now? Because those two things don't

739
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 3: seem to overlap at all.

740
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 1: No, they don't. I haven't thought about that one in

741
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 1: a minute. Okay. So I didn't get it my first

742
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 1: full time job in baseball until I was thirty five, right,

743
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 1: And it was kind of a side hustle for a while,

744
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 1: and I had regular day jobs. For a bunch of years.

745
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 1: I worked at a digital pr film firm as a

746
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 1: project manager in building websites and all kinds of stuff.

747
00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 1: And then the first time I tried to I got

748
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 1: sick of that. I tried to make it work sports

749
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 1: and I went to do the freelance thing, writing for

750
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 1: fangrabs and being an editor or whatever, and that was fine.

751
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 1: And then we were about to start a family, and

752
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, I think I might need a real

753
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 1: job with real health insurance and stuff. And because me

754
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 1: and my wife was pregnant with our with our first child,

755
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 1: and so I started looking around for jobs that were

756
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 1: similar to what i'd had before, you know, doing the

757
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 1: the project management, building website stuff. And Bowlmore so I

758
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 1: used to live in Hell's Kitchen and Bowlmore had their

759
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 1: main office was like eight blocks for me, and they

760
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 1: were paying pretty much what I'd made at the agency,

761
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 1: and it say it was an easy gig, but like

762
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 1: what they were doing was not necessarily challenging. They were

763
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 1: at the time, you know, they bought up AMF and

764
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 1: all these other bowling brands and they were trying to

765
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 1: consolidate all the brand websites and it's I'm bored even

766
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,239
Speaker 1: talking about it, but that's that's basically what it was.

767
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 1: So I did that, and then I believe, like on

768
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 1: days where MLB Network was like, which you come over,

769
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 1: and I'd say sure, and I would block my coworkers

770
00:30:58,320 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 1: on Twitter because I didn't really want them to know

771
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 1: that what I was doing that day. Not that they

772
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 1: cared because they were really baseball fans, but yeah, that's

773
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 1: what happened. And I did that for a year and

774
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 1: a half or so. It was like a perfectly fine job,

775
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 1: and I liked the people I worked with and it

776
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 1: was totally fine. But I was also like writing for

777
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 1: MLB at the time freelance for the first year, and

778
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:19,479
Speaker 1: then that turned into a full time job, and then

779
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 1: I got to quit the bowling job, and that was

780
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 1: a pretty good day. Are you a bowler at all? Like,

781
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 1: this is it an activity you enjoy for the enjoy?

782
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 1: And I'm not good at it, but yeah, it's fun

783
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 1: to do.

784
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 4: You were a big part of the the rebirth of

785
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:31,959
Speaker 4: the Hardball Times about six or seven years ago. I

786
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 4: just wanted to ask, like that was, like, I don't know,

787
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 4: I that was one of the things that kind of

788
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 4: made me like develop a deeper love for baseball when

789
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 4: I was like in college and like away from my parents'

790
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 4: cable package watching the Mets every single night for free,

791
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 4: so kind of help like reinvigorate my love. So what

792
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 4: was it like to just be to have a hand

793
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 4: in that, like coming back for a certain like not back,

794
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 4: but just like being reinvigorated for a certain period of time.

795
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

796
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 1: So, like I, like I said before, when I quit

797
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 1: the PR job and I was doing the freelance thing

798
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 1: at the time, I was writing for fan Chris, So

799
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 1: I was doing that a couple of times a week,

800
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 1: and I got to be pretty friendly with David Appleman,

801
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 1: who is the you know, creator of fangrass and like

802
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 1: one of the best people on the planet. And it

803
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 1: came up that they had i think purchased the Hardball

804
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 1: Times and they were going to like redesign it because

805
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 1: it was on the Super Bowl template and I was like,

806
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 1: you know, David, you probably don't have time to build

807
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 1: a website. I by freelancer now and I know how

808
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 1: to build websites, Like can I help you build this website?

809
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 1: And so they said yeah, and kind of took on

810
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 1: a little side contract and I got someone helped me

811
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 1: design it, and then I built it, which was super fun.

812
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 1: So like I would spend my days of writing fangrass

813
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 1: articles and then at night I would you know, be

814
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 1: writing up the code for this website. And I was

815
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 1: pretty happy with the way it came out, and I

816
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 1: was sad to see that the pandemic kind of put

817
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 1: an end to that. Hopefully it can come back at

818
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 1: some point, but yeah, it was pretty wild to be like, yeah,

819
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 1: I helped design that. I never wrote there, I don't think,

820
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 1: but I helped design it.

821
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 3: Bringing it back to the Mets as much as you know,

822
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 3: I do love hearing about bullmore and that that whole

823
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 3: you know what happened before coming into baseball. The Mets,

824
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 3: I feel like also have a really interesting bullpen with

825
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 3: a bunch of different like arms and guys and ways

826
00:32:57,880 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 3: that they throw in. One name in particular, another new guy,

827
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 3: Brooks Raley, a lot of people see Brooks Raley as

828
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 3: a guy who's going to be the left handed rum

829
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 3: that the Mets have been dying for. If you ask

830
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 3: any Mets fan, what is one thing they've needed for

831
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 3: the last five years? A left handed reliever, and Brooks

832
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 3: Railey is probably going to fill that role. When you

833
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 3: look at his traditional numbers, era and such, you see

834
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 3: some of the high numbers from years past. But me

835
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 3: and James we see he goes to the Rais, he's

836
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 3: with the Astros, to the smarter pitching organizations. Now comes

837
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 3: to the Mets, had a great season last year. Like,

838
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 3: what's your thoughts on Brooks Raley? I think you now

839
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 3: they're right there right. Anytime a guy spends time with

840
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 3: the Astros and the Rays, that's the first thing you're like, Okay,

841
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 3: well they see something there.

842
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 1: He has a really interesting skill. Obviously, he doesn't throw hard.

843
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 1: He's not like collecting a ton of strikeouts. He's getting

844
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 1: a little bit on the older side too, But he

845
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 1: is maybe the best guy in baseball at preventing hard contact.

846
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 1: Like his hard hit rates, preventing hard hit rates are

847
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 1: just off the scale, and that's a pretty valuable thing.

848
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 1: If you can prevent the worst kind of contact. I

849
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 1: don't want to say it doesn't matter how many strike

850
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 1: cuts you have, because you know, of course it does.

851
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 1: But he is a guy who will really go up

852
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 1: there as a left and say I'm not going to

853
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,239
Speaker 1: give up the big home run at this spot, and

854
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 1: you know, who knows how long that's going to sustain.

855
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,399
Speaker 1: Sometimes that's a stat that's not that stable year to year.

856
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 1: But he's been back from Asia for three or four

857
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 1: years now, I think in pretty much every single year

858
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 1: he's been absolutely elite at it. And you know, throw

859
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 1: us like four or five different kinds of pitches and

860
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 1: he can spot them where he wants. So he's gonna

861
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 1: be an interesting guy. Like if you're if you're thinking

862
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:27,800
Speaker 1: of a left handed fire breathing twenty sixteen Andrew Miller type,

863
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 1: this is not exactly that. But if you want a

864
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 1: guy who's gonna come up and catch you the double play,

865
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 1: gethead of a toughending without allowing like an extra base hit,

866
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna fit in really well.

867
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 3: You mentioned limiting hard contact. Do you think that like

868
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:43,279
Speaker 3: soft contact and being able or is going to be

869
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 3: even less effective now with the shift being banned because

870
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 3: you can't kind of like sneak one through maybe aside

871
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 3: or do you think it's not really gonna be that

872
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:51,840
Speaker 3: much of a difference.

873
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 1: That's a great question. It's it's gonna be hard to

874
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 1: say until we see it. I do think people are

875
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 1: overstating what they I think the shift band really is.

876
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 1: I think they think that it means the fore infielders

877
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 1: have to stand in the traditional foreign fielder spot, which

878
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 1: isn't true. I was talking to someone today and they

879
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 1: shared with me an Eric Cosmo quote. It was at

880
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 1: the Cubs fan convention or whatever, and he's like, yeah,

881
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 1: you know, it's really disheartening when you hit the ball

882
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 1: hard up the middle and it's not a hit. And

883
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, but it's still not gonna be a hit.

884
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,360
Speaker 1: Short stop is still gonna be standing up the middle,

885
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 1: just like one step over, you know, to the left

886
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 1: side of second base. So I think the people who think, oh, yeah,

887
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 1: you know, Anthony Rizzo's batting at were just going up

888
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 1: by seventy points or whatever, they're gonna be disappointed. That said.

889
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 1: I do think you're gonna expose some of the fielders

890
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 1: maybe who were only at these spots because they could

891
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 1: be positioned that well, like if the Dodgers are really

892
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 1: gonna play Max months He at second base, still, I'm

893
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 1: fascinated to see how that goes. You know, the Mets

894
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 1: don't have that problem because Lindor is great and McNeil's

895
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,839
Speaker 1: capable enough at second base. But those are the kind

896
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 1: of situations where it's like, I wonder if that's still

897
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 1: gonna work the way it used to work.

898
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 4: So we were in a weird context right now people

899
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 4: interpreting the game of baseball where people are like uber

900
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 4: excited over the shift ban because I think it's gonna,

901
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 4: you know, bring the game back to their youth in

902
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 4: the old days. But it really might not do anything,

903
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 4: but it might do something kind of like you said,

904
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 4: like for those second basemen who maybe don't have the

905
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:13,359
Speaker 4: most range in the world. I know this is something

906
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 4: that's bothered Mark for a very long time, so I

907
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 4: kind of want to bring it up to him up

908
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 4: because he might be uncomfortable approaching the subject. But Jonathan

909
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:23,280
Speaker 4: Scope has routinely led a stack cast in OAA, and

910
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 4: Mark one time spend an entire evening of his life

911
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 4: and not even kidding with you with this watching every

912
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,240
Speaker 4: single play Jonathan Scope made over like a three month period.

913
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 4: So I want to maybe clear the floor for you

914
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 4: guys to hash this out. Why the Johnathan Scope have this?

915
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 4: H have an OAA and is he an elite defender?

916
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:41,800
Speaker 1: I don't know, I trust me. I noticed this as well.

917
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 1: We looked into it like three different times during the season.

918
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 1: I even looked into it again like after the season.

919
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,319
Speaker 1: And you know, at first, I think I looked at

920
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 1: his home road splits because I was like, okay, is

921
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 1: there something weird about Detroit? It was like is the

922
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 1: tracking camera off? Like okay, maybe that's it, And it

923
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,319
Speaker 1: was like identical OA on home and on the road.

924
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 1: I guess that's actually the second thing I did. The

925
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 1: first thing is I looked at all the previous years

926
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 1: OA and d Ers and they both had him as

927
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 1: very good, not as insanely good as he was in

928
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 1: twenty two. But we're not talking about I don't know,

929
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 1: Kyle Schwarber. All of a sudden, like popping, it is

930
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 1: like the best defender. You know, do I actually think

931
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 1: Jonathan Scope is the best infield defender in baseball? I

932
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 1: do not, But that's what the number said. And no

933
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:22,839
Speaker 1: matter how many times I looked at it. I could

934
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 1: not come up with a good reason. You know, It's like,

935
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 1: is it left he's and right he's no? Is it

936
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 1: he's not positioned interestingly compared to everybody else, The Tigers

937
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 1: don't have like a wild shift or shift a version.

938
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:35,840
Speaker 1: Is it something in the way he plays, Like I

939
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 1: don't know. Does he make every opportunity harder because he

940
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 1: takes a step back when he catches? Like we tried

941
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 1: all of it. I could not come up with a

942
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 1: reason to invalidate it. So even though I'm with you,

943
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 1: I don't totally buy it, I couldn't give you a

944
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:51,879
Speaker 1: good reason why it's not true is the way to say.

945
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 1: And regardless, I still think he's very good. Like I

946
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 1: don't think it's like, oh, this is absurd that he's

947
00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 1: rating super well. Think he'd be that well. Yeah.

948
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,399
Speaker 3: When I when I spent that evening, as James said,

949
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:05,319
Speaker 3: watching Jonathan scope ground balls because that's had nothing better

950
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 3: to do, I was like, the thing that I learned,

951
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 3: I was like, he just makes he does make like

952
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 3: a lot of plays. That's what it really seems like,

953
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 3: is that if a balls hit towards him, he pretty

954
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:13,840
Speaker 3: much does make the play.

955
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 2: So it's like, I guess that counts for something.

956
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 1: You know what adds up. I don't have his stats

957
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 1: in front of me, but I remember when when I

958
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 1: looked into it, I said something like, you know, for

959
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 1: what like very little value errors have he had like

960
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 1: three and like eleven hundred innings or whatever. So at

961
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 1: the very least he was not making these big mistakes

962
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:31,840
Speaker 1: that were going to kill him. You know, he's not

963
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 1: a high variance guy like Hobby Bias is a good example,

964
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:36,319
Speaker 1: who make like the insane plays and then kind of

965
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:39,320
Speaker 1: boof an easy one. You know, Scope was just no mistakes.

966
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 1: Is like Swanson Denz Sosen a lot in that way.

967
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 4: Last year another sad the stack haast rolled out to

968
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 4: the end of the year last year swing path and

969
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:49,359
Speaker 4: swing speed specifically. Has there been more development on that

970
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 4: and where do you think that that stat that metric

971
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 4: is going.

972
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 1: Okay, it was a pilot program last year just in

973
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:58,399
Speaker 1: Houston and Dodger Stadium, so extra cameras, very very high

974
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 1: frame rate cameras, and it was mostly just to kind

975
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 1: of see, you know, like this is this has been

976
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 1: studied in labs and you know, hitting gyms and whatever. Forever.

977
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 1: But it was kind of a test to see, you know,

978
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 1: does this work in a game environment, like will it

979
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 1: actually tell you anything? And so I wrote about it

980
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:17,319
Speaker 1: a little bit in in July with very limited data.

981
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:19,800
Speaker 1: You know, it's like two months of data from two parks,

982
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 1: so like, I know, I'm missing a ton of guys, right,

983
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 1: But even in that time with a minimum of like

984
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 1: four swings or whatever, I said, it was like, okay, well,

985
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 1: Julia Rodriguez number one and Patrick Maska is all the

986
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 1: way at the bottom. I think maybe we have something here,

987
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 1: you know, like that that tracks and I think I

988
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,919
Speaker 1: tweeted that and Patrick Masica, to his immense credit, liked it,

989
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 1: which I appreciated because it seems like a guy who's

990
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 1: like totally aware of the kind of player he is.

991
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 1: Stephen Fahn was at the bottom, and that's fine anyway.

992
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 1: That the UH as a proof of concept, it worked right,

993
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:52,839
Speaker 1: like you could you could tell how fast the guys

994
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 1: are swinging and what's going to happen. I believe is

995
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 1: this upcoming season it should be in all thirty stadiums,

996
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 1: which is great, so we'll start getting data everywhere nice.

997
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 1: I expect that at some point we will have a

998
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 1: whole bunch of information about it available on baseball. It's

999
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 1: a lot I would caution that will not be day one,

1000
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 1: so we need the data to come in. We need

1001
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 1: to make sure it works. We need to, you know,

1002
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 1: see what metrics we might have. But it opens the door,

1003
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 1: you know, to like all sorts of things we might

1004
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 1: envision that it might not happen this year, it might

1005
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 1: take two years, three years, whatever, but wouldn't it be

1006
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 1: cool to know. Let's say, what pitcher misses the most

1007
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 1: bats above the bat, right, or like, oh, my slider

1008
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 1: misses that by eight inches, so you're a slider only

1009
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 1: misses the bat by one inch, so you've got like

1010
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:38,840
Speaker 1: no margin of error, right Or swing speed's great obviously,

1011
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:40,880
Speaker 1: but who squares up the ball the most, you know,

1012
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 1: or who gets the most hits off the very end

1013
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:44,880
Speaker 1: of the bat, or who has the most uppercut swing

1014
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:46,919
Speaker 1: or swings down, or you know a million other things.

1015
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 1: It really opens up a lot of doors because the

1016
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:52,800
Speaker 1: bat had never really been tracked before. So technology works,

1017
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 1: which is great. It's going to be in every park,

1018
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 1: which is great, and really well that's left after that

1019
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 1: is connection, collection analysis, all the usual.

1020
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 3: That sounds sick. Yeah, I mean more data is always good.

1021
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 3: I'll never complain with getting more insight. And like I

1022
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:10,479
Speaker 3: don't know from from baseball, it's it sounds weird because

1023
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 3: it was never considered to be like a very like

1024
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:17,279
Speaker 3: like you said, there's hitting labs. They're they're doing scientific

1025
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 3: experiments on what's going on in baseball, which scares people,

1026
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 3: but I don't know, to me, it makes me like

1027
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 3: super excited to think about that. We're still like almost

1028
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 3: optimizing how the game is still being played and it's

1029
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 3: it's still at an incredibly high level right now without optimization.

1030
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:33,880
Speaker 2: Let's say, Yeah, I.

1031
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:35,800
Speaker 1: Mean I think the hitters need a weapon, Like pretty

1032
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 1: much everything's been for the pitchers. Yeah, and you know,

1033
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 1: I think you've seen what's happened over the last twenty years.

1034
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:42,800
Speaker 1: Give the hitters a chance now, definitely.

1035
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 3: So I feel like a good way to wrap up,

1036
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 3: you know this this episode of the podcast would be

1037
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 3: maybe just give I don't want to say give a

1038
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 3: prediction because that's that's being put on the spot quite

1039
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 3: a bit there, but maybe just an outlook of what

1040
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:55,839
Speaker 3: you think the Mets could look like in the twenty

1041
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 3: twenty three season.

1042
00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 2: What Mets fans can expect well.

1043
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 1: I mean, and I think they could look like a

1044
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:05,359
Speaker 1: World Series champion. But at the same time, I think

1045
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 1: they're in a three way tie at the top of

1046
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 1: their own division because the Braves are really good and

1047
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:12,720
Speaker 1: I think the Phillies are improved, even though obviously losing

1048
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 1: Harper for a couple of months is not going to help.

1049
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 1: So I guess I would say, I'm not sure that

1050
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 1: I'm going to pick them to win the division, but

1051
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 1: I still might pick them to win the World Series,

1052
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:24,479
Speaker 1: even though that kind of sounds like it doesn't make sense.

1053
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 1: But that's sort of where I'm leaning because if they

1054
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:29,800
Speaker 1: get to the playoffs, which with three A wild cards

1055
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 1: and very weak and el Central, I assume they'll get

1056
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 1: to the playoffs. I think we saw last year literally

1057
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 1: anything can happen. And if and I know this is

1058
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 1: just like the world's Biggest If if you get to

1059
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 1: the playoffs and if you have Verlander and sure As

1060
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 1: are healthy, that that's pretty good. I will take those guys,

1061
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 1: you know. So it's gonna be a good season. It's

1062
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 1: gonna be a fun season. The one, the one like

1063
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 1: undercurrent I've seen that I would disagree with and you guys,

1064
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 1: that's twitter more than I do, so please tell me

1065
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 1: if I'm wrong. But people seem to think that, you know,

1066
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 1: the team spent all the money to essentially retain guys

1067
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 1: or replace guys, like you know, swap out to ground

1068
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 1: for Erlander, and that means they didn't get better. I

1069
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 1: sort of reject that because on one hand, they won

1070
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:11,479
Speaker 1: one hundred and one games. How much better are they're

1071
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 1: really going to get? And on the other hand, yeah,

1072
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,240
Speaker 1: like you spend a lot of money and you're retaining

1073
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 1: the same centerfielder, but if you didn't, you don't have

1074
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Speaker 1: that center fielder, and now your center fielder is I

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Speaker 1: don't know, Cody Bellinger or whomever. So it's like you

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Speaker 1: need those guys are free agents. It just so happens

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Speaker 1: like that. The half the pitching staff hit free agency

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Speaker 1: last year. You gotta fix that somehow. It's not better

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Speaker 1: if it's different. You got to bring back the guys

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Speaker 1: who are already good. So I reject that a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Like I think it was a great team last year.

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Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be a great team again this year,

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Speaker 1: and it's gonna be a fun season to watch.

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Speaker 3: I think I can speak for James here and saying

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Speaker 3: we both agree with that. We're very much on the

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Speaker 3: realistic optimistic. We know what's going on with the Mets

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Speaker 3: and how good they can be and should be, So

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Speaker 3: the idea of them not getting better makes them worse.

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Speaker 3: Like you said, they won one hundred and one games,

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Speaker 3: how many games can they actually physically win? Like it's

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Speaker 3: baseball is really hard. The best teams in baseball lose

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Speaker 3: sixty games a year. Like, it's not an easy sport.

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Speaker 4: It's also funny just hearing the perspective from the outside

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Speaker 4: of Mets Twitter, because there's a bit of a battleground

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Speaker 4: out there.

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Speaker 1: It's a war zone.

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Speaker 4: Sometimes people do get trapped in that echo chamber and

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Speaker 4: can it can be dangerous. But that's why, you know,

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Speaker 4: we have this show and we have these podcasts, have

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Speaker 4: great smart people like you on Mike who can help

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Speaker 4: drag people out of it a little bit and you know,

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Speaker 4: get people excited about what should be a good time.

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Speaker 1: It's so can I get a little bit angry? I

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Speaker 1: mean that's what being a fan it's about, all right, Like,

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Speaker 1: what's the fun if you can't yell at the umpire

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Speaker 1: or something.

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Speaker 3: Oh of course, not without a doubt. But yeah, maybe

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Speaker 3: in a few years that won't be happening. But Mike,

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Speaker 3: thank you so much for coming on the podcast. We've

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Speaker 3: been wanting you on since day one. We're huge fans

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Speaker 3: of yours, so it's really awesome to finally get a

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Speaker 3: chance to speak with you and talk about you know, stats, analytics,

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Speaker 3: the Mets, any anything baseball. Conversation with you is awesome.

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Speaker 3: Please tell everyone at home where they can find you,

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Speaker 3: what you're up to, and give yourself a little plug here, all.

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Speaker 1: Right, you find me on Twitter, Mike Underscore Petriello. We're

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Speaker 1: finishing up the MLB Network Top tens this week, and

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Speaker 1: at MLB dot com and Baseball Savant dot com we

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Speaker 1: are always rolling out new tools and a couple more

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Speaker 1: upcoming the next couple of weeks. Awesome, Mike, amazing, Thank

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Speaker 1: you so much. Mike, glad got that. Thank you, appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Get Up, Get Up, Get Up.