1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics, 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:07,120 Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of 3 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:12,799 Speaker 1: today's best minds, and vegetable prices rose by almost forty 4 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:18,360 Speaker 1: percent last month, the largest spike since inflation took off 5 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two. We have such a great show 6 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 1: for you today. The Lincoln Projects own Rick Wilson joins 7 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 1: us to talk about Trump's authoritarian takeover of our nation's capital. 8 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:35,480 Speaker 1: Then we'll talk to journalist Jean Guerrero about her book 9 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 1: Hate Manger, Steven Miller, Donald Trump, and the white nationalist agenda. 10 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 1: But first, here are some of the most important news 11 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 1: stories we've been following. 12 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 2: So mally great news for friends of the show. Media Matters. 13 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:51,199 Speaker 2: A judge's done the right thing and gotten in and 14 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 2: bock the FTCs demands against them. 15 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 1: We're in extra legal, some might say illegal territory where 16 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 1: the government, the federal government, is trying to punish media 17 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 1: matters and it's not okay. So a federal judge granted 18 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 1: a preliminary injunction to halt the Federal Trade Commissions Civil 19 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:18,039 Speaker 1: investigative demand against Media Matters, finding that the FTC likely 20 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 1: engaged in retaliatory conduct violating the First Amendment. You'll remember, 21 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 1: the First Amendment is the amendment that Republicans pretended to 22 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 1: love and to be free speech absolutists. Well, it'll be 23 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 1: shocked to know that they are hypocrites. The judge ruled 24 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:37,959 Speaker 1: that the FTC's demands would deter reporting, and that media 25 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 1: matters had shown they had sort of followed what they 26 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:45,400 Speaker 1: were supposed to do. The judge noted that the FTC chair, 27 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 1: who was basically brought into that job because Trump thought 28 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 1: he would do what he wanted him to do, Andrew 29 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 1: Ferguson had previously called for investigating groups criticizing online disinformation. 30 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 1: One of those few bits of good news. So enjoy it, folk, 31 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 1: because there's plenty bad stuff to counterbound. 32 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 2: So, speaking of that, there's three states that are led 33 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 2: by Republicans that are going to deploy the National Guard 34 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 2: to DC because we need to harass more drunk students 35 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:16,080 Speaker 2: from American University. 36 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, So this is like Trump has these Republicans 37 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 1: who are scared of him and think he's the only 38 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 1: way to win an election, and so they want him 39 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 1: to love them. And so West Virginia, South Carolina, and 40 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 1: Ohio are all sending National Guard troops to Washington, d C. 41 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:39,240 Speaker 1: There they will all sit around and look at their 42 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 1: phones or terrorize, you know, anyone who doesn't look. I mean, 43 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 1: I think that's a pretty good assessment, right. 44 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 3: It's true. 45 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 2: Let me tell you my fantasy here, and you've got 46 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 2: to bear with me because at first it's going. 47 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 4: To sound a little wacky. 48 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 2: Sure, now you know how like those porn sites love 49 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 2: to show which people look at porn and Republican states 50 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 2: to show what bigger they are. 51 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 3: I want Candy. 52 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 4: Crush to publish how much higher the scores are going 53 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 4: in DC. 54 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:05,919 Speaker 1: They're candy crushing head. 55 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 3: Real call back to seasoned Blood there. 56 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 1: They're candy crushing it. That's right, baby. 57 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:15,919 Speaker 2: So Mali, I don't know if you've noticed, but in 58 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 2: my parts it seems like COVID is everywhere. 59 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 3: Now we have data to back that up. 60 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, if you don't test, I've been told by Donald J. 61 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:26,119 Speaker 1: Trump that if you don't test, the numbers go down. 62 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 1: We're going to see in real time if that works out. 63 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:31,360 Speaker 4: Do I recall? You just slow it down and then 64 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 4: it goes away. 65 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure it will be rocking and rolling by Easter. 66 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 4: I think, Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes, this is all 67 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 4: sounding very familiar. 68 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 1: Yeah from season one. Once in a lifetime pandemic, let's 69 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 1: not make it twice a little bit worrying. 70 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 2: So, in other bleak news, Oklahoma, which just seemed to 71 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 2: be a testing ground for really stupid education policy lately, 72 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 2: is going to require teachers from New York and California 73 00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 2: to prove that they back America. 74 00:03:58,320 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 3: First. 75 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 1: Yes, you need too that you're not woke. The Party 76 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 1: of Free Speech and Free Ideas wants to have teachers 77 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 1: test if they come to Oklahoma to teach. By the way, 78 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 1: here's a true story. Oklahoma has a lower so the 79 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:18,679 Speaker 1: New York and California of higher state taxes, which means 80 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 1: there's more money for education. Oklahoma has a lower state tax. 81 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 1: How many teachers do you think are going from New 82 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:26,039 Speaker 1: York and California to Oklahoma? 83 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:27,480 Speaker 3: I have no idea. 84 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 1: At ten twenty. I mean, it's not going to be 85 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:35,279 Speaker 1: a huge group because there's literally no reason to. I 86 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:38,279 Speaker 1: think this is one of these things that Maga governor's 87 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 1: cook up as a way to own the Libs. But 88 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 1: you know, like with so many things in MAGA, it's 89 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 1: a laws that affect no one tend to be pretty 90 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:51,039 Speaker 1: you know, fighting illegal, fighting crime that doesn't exist. They're 91 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 1: very good at stuff like that. 92 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 3: Performative moronics. I believe you called. 93 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:56,920 Speaker 1: Yes, performative moronics. 94 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 2: So here's my question for you, though, So marg Rychilla 95 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:05,039 Speaker 2: Green this weekend decided that she's over America first and 96 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:07,720 Speaker 2: needs to be America only because she's tired of Israel. 97 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 3: Do you think that do. 98 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 2: You think that they Do you think that that they 99 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 2: require the teachers to be America oldly? 100 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 4: Or do you think they stick with the America first. 101 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 1: I had no idea that she had turned on. 102 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 2: Israel, but oh yeah, oh yeah, that's weeks old. 103 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:23,719 Speaker 3: Like she she? 104 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:26,480 Speaker 1: I mean I knew she was like not she Yeah, 105 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:27,839 Speaker 1: she had thought that was bad? 106 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 5: But which was? 107 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:33,360 Speaker 1: So? I mean, we have really ended up in somewhere 108 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 1: weird here. 109 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 3: Wellcome TG Woke MTG. 110 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:43,719 Speaker 1: The Wokeiest. Rick Wilson is the founder of the Lincoln 111 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:46,039 Speaker 1: Project and the host of the Enemy's List. Oh we're 112 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 1: on Oh no, I hope we're not regarding Welcome to 113 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 1: Fast Politics. 114 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 3: Rick Wilson, Hey, Mai junk Fast. You did great on 115 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:54,279 Speaker 3: Bill Maher. 116 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 1: Thank you. I come back victorious from my forty two 117 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 1: hours in California. Let's talk about the military state that 118 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:09,039 Speaker 1: is the District of Columbia. The videos I have seen, 119 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 1: I'm not laughing because it's authoritarianism, but I'm telling you 120 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 1: the videos I have seen from that are I don't 121 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:20,719 Speaker 1: do not think democrats who cannot get their shit together 122 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 1: could make better ads. That's what I'm saying. 123 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 3: That you are exactly correct. They they are being given 124 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 3: every day in Washington, DC, a golden gift of the 125 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:36,360 Speaker 3: authoritarian cosplay bullshit that these guys are executing on and 126 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 3: I mean it, they're making traffic stops. They're not as 127 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:41,840 Speaker 3: you and I talked about, as you pointed out points, 128 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 3: this is not in the in the seething in the 129 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:50,040 Speaker 3: seething like crime ridden city. This is in Georgetown and 130 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 3: du Pop Circle and Foggy Bottom. 131 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 1: And you're the fourth season. 132 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 3: Right, yeah, yeah, the desperate criminality that defines the M 133 00:06:58,120 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 3: Street corridor. 134 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:06,239 Speaker 1: Right right, A forty dollars hamburger is not a crime crime, 135 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 1: that's right, No, I mean it is. To watch it 136 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 1: is incredible. Saw a woman who videos ice ray It's 137 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 1: getting beaten and being left at being They had to 138 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 1: call an ambulance for her what I am so struck 139 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 1: by and I think we want you know, it's both 140 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 1: a very dark time in American life because a lot 141 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 1: of the institutions we hoped would protect us, like billionaires, 142 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 1: those guys turn out to suck. In case you're wondering, Yeah, 143 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 1: pretty much, Yeah, they suck. And people who own television 144 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 1: companies also buy. 145 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 3: And Jeff Bezos, who has become sort of the the 146 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 3: house mouthpiece now they're like they've become like a gentry 147 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 3: version of Breitbart for DC. 148 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that crew has not been great, but we 149 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 1: have seen some amazing things. And I want to talk 150 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 1: about the Hogi guy. 151 00:07:56,120 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 3: Yes, the hero American needs pink big pusshirt check in 152 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 3: the hoies. 153 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 1: Used to work at the DOJ. Yep, Chuck's a Hogi 154 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 1: at a you know, is he ice? Who even knows 155 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 1: what this? 156 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 3: It's polities. 157 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 1: I was because he's wearing a mask and a whatever 158 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 1: and no id. Right, well why would he Chuck's a 159 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 1: hogy at him? He's now being tried for felony, right 160 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 1: because Judge Box of Wine does not like it when 161 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 1: people throw food, you. 162 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 3: Know, And I go back once again. There there were 163 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 3: there have been two terrorist attacks in d C in 164 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:37,320 Speaker 3: our lifetime of any one was on nine to eleven, 165 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 3: and one was on January sixth. Where was all this 166 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 3: concern for state and federal and local police on January sixth, 167 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:45,720 Speaker 3: it didn't exist. 168 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 1: Well, they were police and not whatever. 169 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 3: This is right, but this idea that DC's so out 170 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 3: of control, crime is down in DC, it's all. But 171 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 3: it's all costplay. It's all Trump showmanship bullshit. And you know, 172 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:01,560 Speaker 3: we've got to you've got to realize as a people 173 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:07,840 Speaker 3: that nothing that's going on in DC right now is 174 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 3: with all these deployments, is real, except for he wants 175 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 3: to put cops at you know, put the DC cops 176 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:17,559 Speaker 3: under his control and on Pambondi's control. He wants to 177 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:20,439 Speaker 3: put these troops in the street, not because there's crime 178 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:23,720 Speaker 3: in DC, but because every reporter in DC lives in 179 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 3: the neighborhoods where he's putting the cops or putting these forces. 180 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 3: So they'll report on it, they'll see it, they'll be 181 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 3: worried about it, they'll freak out about it. They'll talk 182 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 3: about how Trump's being an authoritarian madman, which he is, but 183 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:40,439 Speaker 3: he knows this is this is like a symbolically powerful 184 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 3: gesture on his part for the media's brain in d C. 185 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 3: I think I'm hot garbage. But there you go. 186 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 1: You want my hottest take fire away. I think that 187 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 1: this is just like trump World's war on anti Semitism, right, 188 00:09:56,840 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 1: it's a thing to control something thing else. So he 189 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 1: says he's punishing Columbia for being anti Semitic. He's publishing punishing. 190 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 1: He doesn't give a fuck about anti Semitism. He's punishing 191 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 1: Columbia because weirdo whatever or whatever for whatever reason, because 192 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:17,560 Speaker 1: they because he knows that attacking education is part of 193 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 1: the playbook. And you know, it's sort of the Victor 194 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 1: Orbon school of its oratorianism. I mean, that's what this 195 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:26,320 Speaker 1: is about. This is not this is never about what 196 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 1: they say it's about. And I think, yeah, And one 197 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 1: of the things go on. One of the things Rick 198 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 1: Wilson said to me before I went on, when we 199 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 1: were talking on the phone before I went on, Bill 200 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:38,440 Speaker 1: Maher and you were giving me a little advice, was 201 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 1: you said this thing which I totally stole, of course 202 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:43,680 Speaker 1: as well I should have, which is that no one 203 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 1: is pro crime. There is no pro crime caucus. 204 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 3: Right, There's yeah, there's no murder coalition in this country. Right, 205 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 3: there's no let's have the streets run where red with 206 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 3: blood movement in this country. And sometimes the Democrats have 207 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:01,679 Speaker 3: gotten themselves tripped up in the shit where the right 208 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 3: has been able to demonize it or whatever. But I 209 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 3: think it's a lot harder in DC because if you 210 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:09,959 Speaker 3: travel to DC, if you go to the city of Washington, 211 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 3: d C. There is about a ten square block area 212 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:15,960 Speaker 3: in one part of the city that's really dangerous. The 213 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 3: rest of it is a very expensive place. You know, 214 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:20,440 Speaker 3: it's a city where on U Street, you can pay 215 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 3: forty dollars, as you said, for a hamburger, or twenty 216 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 3: five dollars for a fucking smoothie, or one hundred dollars 217 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:29,840 Speaker 3: for a pilates class. It's not exactly mogudd shoe. So 218 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 3: it is trying to put the Democrats in a dumb frame. 219 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:35,720 Speaker 3: But the correct frame is to keep saying, A, this 220 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 3: is bullshit, and B you're just trying to distract from Epstein. 221 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 3: Where's the fucking file Donald? 222 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:39,680 Speaker 6: Right? 223 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:43,080 Speaker 1: Right, Well, it is a real question the Epstein and 224 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:45,200 Speaker 1: this is something we talked about AMR. But it's also 225 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 1: something that I'm curious about Epstein has so Pam Bondi says, 226 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 1: I have the file on my desk right right, she 227 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:58,079 Speaker 1: who knows what that was? I mean, there are thousands 228 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 1: of pages of paper. It could be anything. 229 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:04,559 Speaker 3: Tens of thousands. Yeah, crazy, But why. 230 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 1: Play it up if you are then gonna like, do 231 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 1: you think he just was playing it up because he 232 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 1: was not paying at what do you think the thinking 233 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:12,840 Speaker 1: there was? 234 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:18,680 Speaker 3: They recognize that the Epstein files, let's not even call 235 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:22,200 Speaker 3: it files of the corpus of all this Epstein stuff 236 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 3: that the dog had. I think Trump legitimately forgot a 237 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:29,680 Speaker 3: lot of that stuff from the nineties and two thousands, right, Like, 238 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 3: he doesn't really remember what's in it. He doesn't really 239 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 3: know what's in it, right. And so when they put 240 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:39,959 Speaker 3: a thousand FBI agents looking through those files and they 241 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:42,080 Speaker 3: found his name, and they started finding his name popping 242 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 3: up over and over and over, they had a breakdown. 243 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:46,839 Speaker 3: They had to kind of freak out. And I think 244 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 3: that freakout is still going on. I think so much 245 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 3: of the shit we've been seeing the desperate summit yesterday 246 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:54,719 Speaker 3: or this weekend. 247 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 1: In a good not by the way, the fact that 248 00:12:57,600 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 1: like it was like we're gonna have a summit to 249 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 1: bring peace to Ukraine, because that's what everyone cares about, 250 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 1: because I'm going to win the Nobel Peace Bride. 251 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 3: The idea of Trump when anything but the Darwin Award 252 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 3: at this point is just like the tale of ludicrous. 253 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:12,960 Speaker 1: Talk this through with me. I mean, so everyone, so 254 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 1: now they went to Alaska. Putin was like, fuck you, 255 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 1: basically right, We're not like He's not like. 256 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:21,680 Speaker 3: He could have like roll out that carpet for me, bitch, 257 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 3: and then I'm gonna tell you to fuck yourself. 258 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 1: I mean he could have like said, well, we'll do 259 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:29,320 Speaker 1: a ceasefire and then ignored it, which is typical would 260 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 1: be very on brand for Putin, right, But instead he 261 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 1: was like, no, we're not even going to do a ceasefire. 262 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 3: Like discuss Putin, it thinks in one hundred year interval 263 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 3: timing versus Trump thinking in next news cycle timing. Putin 264 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 3: wants to reassemble the old Soviet Empire as Greater Russia. 265 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 3: He went to Shafi, Ukraine and Eastern Europe. Trump wants, 266 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:56,679 Speaker 3: as you said, to get a Nobel Peace Prize. Trump 267 00:13:56,720 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 3: wants to get to tomorrow without having to look at 268 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 3: thetein stuff. And unfortunately for him, the Epstein stuff has 269 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:09,439 Speaker 3: become such a dominant theme and such a dominant motivator 270 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 3: for all his political behavior that he made this desperate, 271 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 3: hurry up kind of rush up to Alaska to meet 272 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 3: Putin to pretend he was going to negotiate with this guy. 273 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 3: And Putin absolutely just rang his frickin' He just walked 274 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 3: all over him. And you could even see it in 275 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:28,400 Speaker 3: Trump when we walked back to the plane, the schlump 276 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 3: we get off the plane. Looks like he has dog 277 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 3: has died. He's been off truth social for the most 278 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 3: of the weekend. It was a disaster. There's no spinning 279 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 3: and it's unspinnable. You can't spin this thing and go yeah, 280 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 3: this has some real upsides for Donald. 281 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 1: So what do you think, I what do you think 282 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 1: happened in that? Because they were alone in the car, 283 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 1: right and with a translator or not with I think 284 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 1: no trans speaks. 285 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 3: English, Putin speaks English. English is fine. 286 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 1: So he's in the car, are there together? Then they 287 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 1: get out and I think what I think is so 288 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 1: interesting is everyone is trying to is trying to keep 289 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 1: them from being alone together. Right, you got Marco, you 290 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 1: got right. Everyone's like let's just try lateral right right, 291 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 1: And he's like, no, I'll just be alone with Putin, 292 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 1: And so they get in the car talk us through. 293 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 3: They get in the Beast, the President's limousine. God knows 294 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 3: what was said in the Beast. God knows, right, Donald, 295 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 3: you're here, Donald Fdorvitch, you're here for quarterly performance review. Yeah, 296 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 3: God knows what Trump said in the car, But when 297 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 3: they got into the subject of meetings, it was obvious 298 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 3: that they said he had like to accomplish at these 299 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 3: minimal things. I don't think they were pushing him all 300 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 3: that hard, and his response was basically, now go fuck yourself. Yeah, 301 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 3: And when he gets out into the I found this fascinating, 302 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 3: big breach of diplomatic protocol. The host nation president speaks first, 303 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 3: so let's Putin go first. Putin talks about ten to 304 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 3: one to what Trump says in that press conference, and 305 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 3: Putin goes out and just says, we have to address 306 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 3: the historical claims about Ukraine, which is his cooking for 307 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 3: why want Ukraine. I'm going to eat all of it. 308 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 3: And it's just it's just and look, you saw the 309 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 3: clownish response today. And we're recording this on Sunday. You 310 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 3: saw a clown's response on Sunday from Mark or Rubio, 311 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 3: who on face the nation is there obviously just wants 312 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:34,359 Speaker 3: to die inside. 313 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 1: He looks like he's so. 314 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 3: Because he can't explain what Trump wants. He can't violate 315 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 3: what Trump said to putin because Trump wants to get 316 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 3: this as the predicate for a Nobel Peace Prize, which 317 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 3: is never coming. I don't he could buy Norway and 318 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 3: it's still not going to come. 319 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 1: You'd have to buy all the Norwegians. 320 00:16:56,720 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 3: You'd have to buy everybody involved in everything about out 321 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:05,120 Speaker 3: about Norway, you know. And they're delicious, you know, pickled. 322 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 1: Fishes, babyickle fish fishs. So yeah, it strikes me that 323 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 1: there is no world in which this doesn't So, I mean, 324 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 1: I think the most likely scenario here, and you I know, 325 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 1: we never want to predict the future, but since it's Trump, 326 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 1: things can only go sort of one of two ways. 327 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 1: I think the most likely scenario here is that they 328 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 1: have another meeting. All these Europeans are coming to try 329 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 1: to keep him from screaming. You know, literally all the 330 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:38,640 Speaker 1: Europeans are coming here. The heads of all these European 331 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:42,119 Speaker 1: countries are coming to the United States to try to 332 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:43,919 Speaker 1: protect Zelensky from Trump. 333 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 3: Correct, and look the last time and right now you've 334 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:50,959 Speaker 3: seen the White House has been reduced because all these 335 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 3: European leaders are coming. They're now saying if he doesn't 336 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:55,399 Speaker 3: wear a suit, he can't come in the White House. 337 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 1: Is that what they say? 338 00:17:56,920 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, they're saying that this afternoon. So where the so 339 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:03,719 Speaker 3: if he'll wear a suit? And ridiculous, Yeah, ridiculous. But 340 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 3: that's how little Trump has. Now, this is how little 341 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 3: they got out of that summit. They're back to trying 342 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:13,959 Speaker 3: to please the online social media Twitter maga crowd. Right, well, 343 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:16,720 Speaker 3: we made him wear a suit. That's a real concession. 344 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 1: I'm telling you those polling let's do a minute on 345 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 1: the polling. Sure, I you know, we haven't seen a 346 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:28,879 Speaker 1: ton of polls, and you know, but clearly these the 347 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 1: polls that I'm seeing. Everyone who voted for him because 348 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 1: he made a bunch of sneakers and did some UFC fights, 349 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:39,240 Speaker 1: Like maybe not all those people are gone, but he's 350 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:41,159 Speaker 1: certainly there. He's hemorrhaging them quickly. 351 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 3: Oh Molly, listen, my son, who is a very smart pollster. 352 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 3: We're talking about this on Friday, and he's been going 353 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:52,160 Speaker 3: through all these demographics that that after the election, MAGA said, 354 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 3: and and a lot of the national media, let's be fair, 355 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:57,200 Speaker 3: a lot of the manstory media said, well, Trump now 356 00:18:57,240 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 3: has won young voters and they're Republicans. Now he's one 357 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 3: Hispanic voters, they're Republicans. Now, he's one young African American man. 358 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:08,399 Speaker 3: They're Republicans. Know they're not. They're fleeing from Trump. His 359 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 3: approval ratings among young African Americans now at Ape Bin 360 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:16,119 Speaker 3: Laden has higher approval numbers. I mean, he really he 361 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:19,639 Speaker 3: has managed to collapse. Another big area of this, a 362 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:23,119 Speaker 3: lot of rural agriculture voters are now seeing the impact 363 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:26,880 Speaker 3: of losing all their workers and they're bailing on him. 364 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 3: He's losing, Maga, parts of the coalition, not just the 365 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:33,280 Speaker 3: people that voted for him in twenty twenty four, He's 366 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 3: losing parts of his base now as well, like what 367 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 3: looks like those rural voters. A lot of those rural 368 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:43,160 Speaker 3: ag voters are realizing, oh shit, Donald Trump has killed 369 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 3: our workforce and now are coster skyrocketing. He's losing the 370 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:49,720 Speaker 3: suburban mommy vote now because they are on the front 371 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:53,879 Speaker 3: lines of managing households they're the ones who are standing 372 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 3: in line at Walmart are targeting, going the fuck is 373 00:19:57,160 --> 00:20:02,160 Speaker 3: this when they get a receipt? You know this chain 374 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 3: of mistakes he's made. Yeah, it's adding up and adding 375 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:08,399 Speaker 3: up and adding up. And that chain of mistakes is 376 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:14,240 Speaker 3: increasingly Even though the Democratic Party's brand sucks, the intention 377 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:18,399 Speaker 3: to vote for Democrats now is growing. We're seeing it grow. 378 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:21,959 Speaker 3: If I may quote a certain famous quote, at levels 379 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 3: no one's seen before. And nothing he's doing is reversing 380 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:28,679 Speaker 3: this trend right now. Could Democrats blow it, sure, they 381 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 3: have an infinite capacity to fuck it up. But right now, 382 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:38,400 Speaker 3: Donald Trump is losing his newfound gains, and those gains 383 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:40,239 Speaker 3: in part where a lot of the people that they 384 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 3: expected would be part of a permanent coalition going forward 385 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 3: and they're just not. They've chosen not to remain. 386 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:53,720 Speaker 1: So I want you to talk for it about the redistricting. 387 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 1: What's happening in Texas. So August nineteenth is my birthday, 388 00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:01,359 Speaker 1: Yes it is, and it is awesome the day I 389 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:03,679 Speaker 1: see Rick writing it down. No, I'm just kidding. So 390 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:09,120 Speaker 1: it is also the day that that the special session, 391 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:13,119 Speaker 1: the first, the most the first special session ends, right, 392 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:15,360 Speaker 1: So and then Democrats. 393 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 3: That's all that they passed all that flood relief. 394 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:20,360 Speaker 1: Oh, they have passed that. And they, by the way, 395 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 1: they don't need a special session to pass flood belief. 396 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:27,480 Speaker 1: In case you're wondering, Ken Paxson, Greg Abbott, full of shit, 397 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 1: full of show try exactly so Abbott wants says he 398 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:38,119 Speaker 1: will will that now just immediately call another session. We 399 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 1: are seeing some anxiety from members of the House that 400 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 1: if these districts get redrawn, people like Mike Lawler, Niko Lolota, 401 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:53,439 Speaker 1: all you know, these Republicans, at least the Phonic is 402 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 1: now going to. 403 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 3: Run for governor of New York, right, which which is 404 00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:58,200 Speaker 3: going to put a lot of people in a tough 405 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 3: spot because Kathy hoak is well, a lot of people 406 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 3: are not very sympathetic to Kathy Hockel. But if it's 407 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:04,920 Speaker 3: at least Dephonic versus Kathy hockol but it's. 408 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:07,200 Speaker 1: A no brainer, right, I think that'll be a good 409 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 1: But so let's talk about the redistrict. What are the vibes. 410 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:13,719 Speaker 3: The vibes are very simple. You've got Gavin News, You've 411 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 3: got Pritzker, you've got Hokeel and now you're starting to 412 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:18,200 Speaker 3: get a couple of other Democratic governors putting their noses out. 413 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 1: Can we have a minute on Gavin Newsome because I 414 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:23,640 Speaker 1: want you to talk about this. His social media has 415 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 1: become you know, yes, okay, so Gavin. 416 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:29,120 Speaker 3: News now your god too. 417 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:33,400 Speaker 1: She is now tweeting really mean stuff about everything. 418 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:35,480 Speaker 3: In the language in case of Trump in. 419 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 1: All caps, right, in all caps. 420 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:39,159 Speaker 3: His team is top of the pile. 421 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 1: But it's interesting to me for two seconds here because 422 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:47,159 Speaker 1: Cuomo is also doing that, and it's creepy as half. 423 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:50,240 Speaker 3: Right with Cuomo, like like trying to like call call 424 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:53,280 Speaker 3: a mom dummy's son and sports and show it just 425 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:56,359 Speaker 3: comes across as like weird, really weird. 426 00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:59,919 Speaker 1: Right, Look, I mean, but Newsom is killing it. 427 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 3: You've got to do if you're going to do this 428 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 3: transgressive stuff, Yeah, you've got to do it in a 429 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:07,680 Speaker 3: way like New York Magazine profile one of my ads 430 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 3: last weekend about the Trump not like us had we 431 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 3: did and they were a little freaked out about it. 432 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:14,720 Speaker 3: But it's like, oh my god, this is actually how 433 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 3: you do transgression. He's doing the transgression right, He's doing 434 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 3: it in a way that psychologically will affect the bad guys. 435 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 3: He's doing it in a way that breaks the rules 436 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:29,919 Speaker 3: for a good reason, not just breaking the rules like 437 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 3: Trump breaks the rules just to burn everything down. They're 438 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:36,879 Speaker 3: breaking the rules to show people there are ways that 439 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:39,160 Speaker 3: you have to fight in this modern era. We don't 440 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 3: live in the old world where things are settled on 441 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:44,159 Speaker 3: the debate stage or with policy papers. Live in a 442 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 3: world where you better be great at social media if 443 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 3: you're going to run for present. 444 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:49,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's right. 445 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 3: And Newsome has and in that regard, I'm announcing. 446 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:58,200 Speaker 1: And Newsome is deeply disliked by a lot of sure progressives, 447 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:01,359 Speaker 1: but he has very good hair, and his social media 448 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:01,880 Speaker 1: is really good. 449 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:03,680 Speaker 3: And you know what else, you know what else you knows. 450 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:06,200 Speaker 3: I'm not a fanboy, but you know what else he's doing. 451 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 3: He's fighting. 452 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:07,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, he went. 453 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:09,920 Speaker 3: I did a press conference on Friday, and he said 454 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 3: to me Thursday, he said to Texas, if you do this, 455 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 3: we're about to take more than you're going to add. 456 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:18,360 Speaker 1: Do you think, by the way, do you think that 457 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:20,160 Speaker 1: works on Texas? 458 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 3: No, it doesn't psychologically change abb at all. Abbott wants 459 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:25,919 Speaker 3: to run for president. If he doesn't do what Trump wants, 460 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:29,120 Speaker 3: Trump will say we Greg Abbott couldn't stand up through 461 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 3: me right. Yeah, Yes, that joke was as bad as 462 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,919 Speaker 3: you thought, everybody, because what Trump would fucking do? 463 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 1: I like that he I like that you did it. 464 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:40,119 Speaker 3: In Trump's voice? 465 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 1: W Bush? 466 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 3: No, that was w Molly. That wasn't. Now come on, 467 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:46,040 Speaker 3: come on, Molly, you. 468 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:51,640 Speaker 1: Know better, Rick Wilson, Will you come back absolutely. Jean 469 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:54,439 Speaker 1: Guerrero is an opinion writer for The New York Times 470 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 1: and the author of Pete Manger, Stephen Miller, Donald Trump, 471 00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 1: and the White Nationalist Agenda. Hi Jean, Welcome to Fast Politics. 472 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:02,920 Speaker 5: Hi Mollie, good to be here. 473 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:06,240 Speaker 1: Let's start with Stephen Miller and talking about this book 474 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 1: he wrote in some ways, it's a big idea book. 475 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:10,399 Speaker 1: So explain to us your big idea. 476 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,679 Speaker 6: Yeah, so, I mean the book is called hate Monger 477 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:18,359 Speaker 6: because Stephen Miller is kind of the ideologue and the 478 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:26,119 Speaker 6: intellectual architect behind Trump's immigration policies, and particularly the most restrictionists, 479 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:30,919 Speaker 6: the most cruel, the most performatively sadistic of the policies, 480 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,640 Speaker 6: which are those that focus not on people who are 481 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 6: committing crimes or who are seasoned gang members in any way, 482 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:41,359 Speaker 6: but rather finding ways to strangle legal immigration into this 483 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 6: country and going after mom's dads like we're seeing right 484 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 6: now in streets across America. 485 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:50,720 Speaker 1: Explain, he grew up in Santa Monica. He comes from 486 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 1: a family that feels a lot like mine, sort of liberal, 487 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 1: Jewish normal. 488 00:25:55,560 --> 00:26:00,720 Speaker 6: What happened exactly, descendant of refugees and and Santa Monica 489 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:01,960 Speaker 6: is largely seen as. 490 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:03,479 Speaker 5: Kind of a liberal city. 491 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:06,680 Speaker 6: But he went to this diverse public high school called 492 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 6: Santa Monica High School, and there, or just before arriving there, 493 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:14,480 Speaker 6: is when he started to show signs of radicalization. He 494 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 6: had a best friend in middle school, Jason Eastless, who 495 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:22,160 Speaker 6: is Latino, and he broke up with him right before 496 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 6: high school, started telling him that he didn't want to 497 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:30,399 Speaker 6: be friends anymore because of his Latino heritage, and he 498 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:34,400 Speaker 6: listed a number of other attributes related to Jason's insecurities, 499 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 6: and that was kind of one of the first signs. 500 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:42,880 Speaker 6: Stephen used to complain about his Latina nanny and housekeeper 501 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:46,639 Speaker 6: driving him to school in what he described as her 502 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,960 Speaker 6: junkie car because he felt that it made him look poor, 503 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 6: and so he was very status conscious. And all of 504 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:58,560 Speaker 6: this coincided with his family experiencing some financial difficulties related 505 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:03,119 Speaker 6: to the real estate business of his father, and they 506 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 6: lost quite a bit of money and they had to 507 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 6: move from a very nice five bedroom house in the 508 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,720 Speaker 6: nicest part of Santa Monica to a more diverse area 509 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 6: of Santa Monica in a smaller house. All of this 510 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:16,760 Speaker 6: is when he starts going to this very diverse public 511 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:19,959 Speaker 6: high school, where you see him begin to antagonize his 512 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:23,200 Speaker 6: Latino classmates and going to school board meetings to rail 513 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:27,440 Speaker 6: against multiculturalism, to complain about the school's celebration of the 514 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:29,680 Speaker 6: Adelos Muertos or Cinco and Mayo. 515 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:30,400 Speaker 5: He didn't like. 516 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 6: These multicultural holiday celebrations, he felt it was inappropriate, and 517 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 6: really just singled in on attacking any form of multicultural 518 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:44,200 Speaker 6: or support for his classmates of color. 519 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 1: So what really is a story about somebody blaming a 520 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:52,080 Speaker 1: group for their problems? 521 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 5: Exactly? Yeah, I think you know. 522 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 6: Just based on my reporting talking to his friends when 523 00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:01,080 Speaker 6: he was a teenager, his classmates, it seems that this 524 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 6: extreme hostility to immigration and to multiculturalism was a way 525 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:09,679 Speaker 6: for Stephen Miller to find a sense of purpose and 526 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,200 Speaker 6: power at a time in his life when he felt 527 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:14,879 Speaker 6: that he didn't have that, or that he didn't have 528 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:18,000 Speaker 6: as much as he would like, and it also coincided 529 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 6: with him meeting two media personalities who had a huge 530 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:27,439 Speaker 6: impact on his life and on his career. One of 531 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 6: them was David Horowitz, a former Marxist turned conservative activist. 532 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:36,120 Speaker 6: He basically spent the nineties and early two thousands grooming 533 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:41,959 Speaker 6: a new generation of young conservatives to use the tactics 534 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:46,200 Speaker 6: of the civil rights movement against the gains of the 535 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:50,480 Speaker 6: civil rights movement. So anyone who is against racism, suddenly 536 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 6: they're the racist. If you're fighting oppression, then you are 537 00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 6: an oppressor and the only victim in this ideology, the 538 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:04,360 Speaker 6: only valid victim is the white male conservative. So Stephen 539 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:07,520 Speaker 6: Miller adopted these ideas, was taken under the wing of 540 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:09,920 Speaker 6: David Horowitz as well as Larry Elder, who is a 541 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 6: right wing is a right wing. 542 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 5: Talk show host who's black, who is black. 543 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:15,880 Speaker 1: And is on Fox Too. 544 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:16,400 Speaker 5: Yes. 545 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,040 Speaker 6: He had written a book at the time called The 546 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 6: Ten Things You Can't Say in America where he argues 547 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 6: that black people are more racist than white people and 548 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:29,200 Speaker 6: kind of you know, caters his messaging towards white audiences 549 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:32,560 Speaker 6: and helping them to feel legitimate. 550 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:33,600 Speaker 5: In their racist biases. 551 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 6: He often quoted this white supremacist named Jared Taylor who 552 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:43,360 Speaker 6: publishes all kinds of discredited race pseudo science that frames 553 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 6: white people as superior. 554 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,520 Speaker 1: I just want to add one thing about this, which 555 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:53,000 Speaker 1: is Andreas and Horowoodz the Sun ends up becoming a 556 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:58,080 Speaker 1: major venture capitalist starts Andreas and Horrowoods becomes in that 557 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:01,880 Speaker 1: world of sort of these fair right wing tech pros, 558 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:06,720 Speaker 1: donates money to Trump, then moves to Las Vegas and 559 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:10,800 Speaker 1: lives in like a gated community and doesn't has become 560 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:14,600 Speaker 1: very removed from the normal world exactly. 561 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:20,000 Speaker 6: I mean Horowitz and the movement that he has played 562 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:23,760 Speaker 6: a huge role in shaping. They like to portray themselves 563 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:27,960 Speaker 6: as allies of the working classes and immigration as something 564 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,640 Speaker 6: that they're fighting on behalf of you know, legacy Americans. 565 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,200 Speaker 6: But when you look at the associations that they have, 566 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 6: the families that they come from, it's very clear that 567 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:39,480 Speaker 6: these are we're talking about the elites of the elites 568 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:44,920 Speaker 6: and some of the wealthiest individuals aligned with the Silicon Valley. 569 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:50,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, we were always told that wealthy people were the 570 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,560 Speaker 1: myth of Soorrows or whatever, and then in fact this 571 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:58,280 Speaker 1: crew is very committed to keeping the status quo reversing 572 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:03,640 Speaker 1: progressive tax a in some ways, these tariffs are really 573 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:09,440 Speaker 1: like a flat tax on working people exactly. Okay, So 574 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,440 Speaker 1: then he goes and works for Jeff Sessions, Right, talk 575 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:13,880 Speaker 1: us through sort of what happens next. 576 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:15,960 Speaker 5: Well, first, just to the point that you were making. 577 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,360 Speaker 6: It's really reflected in this speech that Stephen Miller gave 578 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,880 Speaker 6: in high school where he was early on expressing a 579 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:26,080 Speaker 6: very hierarchical view of society, where it kind of went 580 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:29,400 Speaker 6: viral afterwards, where he's saying, like, why should I have 581 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,640 Speaker 6: to clean up my trash? Oh, I remember this when 582 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:36,280 Speaker 6: we have janitors who are paid to do it for us, 583 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 6: And the way that he said that it was very 584 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:42,120 Speaker 6: offensive to a lot of the students in the audience 585 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:47,280 Speaker 6: whose parents were custodians who related to these janitors. And 586 00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:49,440 Speaker 6: I see it as a very early sign of his 587 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:53,280 Speaker 6: willingness to use inflammatory rhetoric for attention, and also just 588 00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 6: this hierarchical view where it's like, this is your place 589 00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,280 Speaker 6: in society to clean up my trash, and I don't 590 00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:01,520 Speaker 6: have to associated with you, and I don't have to 591 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:03,479 Speaker 6: do any of that for myself. But yeah, So then 592 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,320 Speaker 6: he goes on to Duke University. At this point, he 593 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:09,120 Speaker 6: was already building somewhat of a national profile because of 594 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,520 Speaker 6: his appearances on the Larry Elder Show, where he would 595 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:14,480 Speaker 6: call in to complain about his high school what he 596 00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 6: would call left wing in doctrination and how they weren't 597 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,160 Speaker 6: reciting the Pledge of Allegiance as often as he wanted. 598 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:24,400 Speaker 6: And he also was publishing op eds for David Horowitz's website, 599 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,320 Speaker 6: And when he gets to Duke University, he uses this 600 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:32,600 Speaker 6: argument of intellectual diversity to get a column for the 601 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:37,600 Speaker 6: campus newspaper, which he similarly used to again frame white 602 00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:41,040 Speaker 6: male conservatives that's kind of the only valid victims in society, 603 00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:46,120 Speaker 6: and to make all kinds of inflammatory arguments and argue, 604 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:51,400 Speaker 6: for example, that racism is a fantasy of our imaginations. 605 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:55,920 Speaker 6: And he also was leading this thing called the Terrorism 606 00:32:56,000 --> 00:33:00,080 Speaker 6: Awareness Project for David Horowitz, which essentially was dedicated to 607 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:04,960 Speaker 6: to maligning Palestinian and anyone who was in support of 608 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:09,560 Speaker 6: Palestine or the Palestine Solidarity movement as terrorists as aligned 609 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:13,000 Speaker 6: with Hamas early on at Duke University, it wasn't just 610 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:17,240 Speaker 6: specific to immigration that he was focused on, but also 611 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:22,440 Speaker 6: anti Palestinian activism right and from there David Horwitz, who. 612 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,240 Speaker 5: I interviewed for the book and who shared a bunch. 613 00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:28,000 Speaker 6: Of emails between himself and Stephen Miller over the years, 614 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,360 Speaker 6: he told me that he was pretty concerned that Steven 615 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,280 Speaker 6: Miller wasn't going to get a job out of college 616 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:38,840 Speaker 6: because of his reputation, well because he thought that he 617 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:42,320 Speaker 6: was going to be discriminated against for his views. So 618 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,240 Speaker 6: he put him in touch with a number of his 619 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:49,000 Speaker 6: connections in Congress ultimately got him a job with Jeff Sessions, 620 00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:53,280 Speaker 6: where he worked in comms. That's where he really became 621 00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,320 Speaker 6: kind of single mindedly focused on the immigration issue and 622 00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:02,760 Speaker 6: derailing bipartisan immigration reform, painting anyone who is willing to 623 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:07,520 Speaker 6: compromise on this issue as being an elite who just 624 00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:09,400 Speaker 6: wants cheap labor in this country. 625 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:11,560 Speaker 5: And it was an argument that became. 626 00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,040 Speaker 6: Really quite persuasive to a lot of people in the 627 00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:18,239 Speaker 6: conservative movement and ended up moving the Republican Party in 628 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,400 Speaker 6: an extremely nativist direction at a time when it was 629 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,960 Speaker 6: actually considering the opposite. So there was a dinner that 630 00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:28,520 Speaker 6: Steven Miller, Jeff Sessions, and Steve Bannon had in twenty 631 00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,840 Speaker 6: twelve when the Republican Party was they published an autopsy 632 00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,040 Speaker 6: report of the elections where they were saying, you know, 633 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,080 Speaker 6: we need to move in a much more inclusive direction. 634 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:38,799 Speaker 6: We need to be more pro immigrant, we need to 635 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:42,960 Speaker 6: reach out to Hispanic voters. And Steven Miller, Steve Bannon, 636 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,520 Speaker 6: and Jeff Sessions had a dinner where they reviewed this 637 00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:49,800 Speaker 6: analysis by Sean Trendy about the quote unquote missing white voter, 638 00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:53,840 Speaker 6: and they decided that they wanted to move the party 639 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,680 Speaker 6: in the opposite direction, where they would be doubling down 640 00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,960 Speaker 6: on courting white rage and white fear, using the immigrat 641 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:05,600 Speaker 6: issue to rally people around what ultimately became the Trump campaign. 642 00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:12,360 Speaker 1: That is so completely crazy. So is that how it happens? 643 00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:15,400 Speaker 6: Yeah, So Steven Miller reaches out to the campaign. He 644 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,719 Speaker 6: tells Corey Lewandowski that he wants to talk about immigration 645 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,520 Speaker 6: at every chance that he gets. And finally Corey returns 646 00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:25,040 Speaker 6: his calls and Steven starts working for the campaign, both 647 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:30,120 Speaker 6: shaping Trump's speeches and his policies around immigration. And when 648 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,479 Speaker 6: it comes to the speeches, one of the hallmark things 649 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:37,600 Speaker 6: with Stephen Miller was the demonization of immigrants, using these gory, 650 00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:45,640 Speaker 6: visceral anecdotes of Americans being killed or assaulted by immigrants, 651 00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:49,200 Speaker 6: to create the false impression that immigrants are more likely 652 00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:52,719 Speaker 6: to commit crimes than US citizens, even though research has 653 00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:54,160 Speaker 6: shown that the opposite is true. 654 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,399 Speaker 5: But it really proved. 655 00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:59,800 Speaker 6: Effective in creating this sphere and this hate around immigrants 656 00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:02,719 Speaker 6: and the notion that immigrants are an existential threat to 657 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:07,799 Speaker 6: this country that need to be controlled by any means necessary. 658 00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:12,759 Speaker 6: And ultimately that's why during the first administration, they did 659 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:18,440 Speaker 6: not focus on illegal immigration. They focused on dismantling the 660 00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:23,560 Speaker 6: refugee system. They focused on dismantling the asylum, the legal 661 00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:27,520 Speaker 6: asylum system into this country, and they focused on family separations, 662 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:31,799 Speaker 6: so separating children from asylum seeking parents, often who were 663 00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:35,920 Speaker 6: presenting out ports of entry legally to seek asylum, as 664 00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,880 Speaker 6: is their right under federal and international law, but they 665 00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:43,560 Speaker 6: were separating them as a form of deterrence. So China 666 00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:47,080 Speaker 6: and still fear in immigrants abroad who don't want to 667 00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,799 Speaker 6: face that kind of trauma of being separated from a 668 00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:50,680 Speaker 6: child that. 669 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:56,120 Speaker 1: Is so incredibly insane. So what was the thinking there. 670 00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,359 Speaker 6: Well, So the thinking was that the more cruel and 671 00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:03,719 Speaker 6: even performatively cruel that they could be, the more that 672 00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:07,320 Speaker 6: they could decrease immigration through deterrence, so that it wouldn't 673 00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:11,680 Speaker 6: have to be about physically removing every individual, but getting 674 00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:15,120 Speaker 6: people to stop coming here and ultimately even to self 675 00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:19,120 Speaker 6: deport out of fear or anxiety. Because the ultimate goal 676 00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:26,040 Speaker 6: of the Miller project, when you look at the influences 677 00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:30,279 Speaker 6: that have gone into his policy making, it's not law 678 00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:32,799 Speaker 6: and order. It's not about ensuring that we have law 679 00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:36,560 Speaker 6: and order. It's about re engineering the racial demographics of 680 00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:41,719 Speaker 6: this country to ensure that we have a white majority. 681 00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,360 Speaker 1: Right. Is it racism for racism's sake or is it 682 00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:49,000 Speaker 1: racism for political winnings sake? 683 00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:52,320 Speaker 5: Well, I think Stephen Miller is a true believer. 684 00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:56,160 Speaker 6: This movement is extremely diverse, and there's people who want 685 00:37:56,239 --> 00:38:00,920 Speaker 6: to crack down on immigration, not to actually increase immigration, 686 00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:06,279 Speaker 6: but to maintain a permanent underclass of exploitable labor. What 687 00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,440 Speaker 6: Stephen Miller has been able to do is convince people 688 00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:10,680 Speaker 6: that the opposite is true. 689 00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:12,040 Speaker 5: That if you are. 690 00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:16,040 Speaker 6: Pro immigrant, if you believe in immigrant rights, if you 691 00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:19,600 Speaker 6: believe in a pathway to citizenship or any form of legalization, 692 00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:22,480 Speaker 6: then you are an elite who wants cheap. 693 00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:23,400 Speaker 5: Labor in this country. 694 00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:27,640 Speaker 6: But the reality is that when you do not allow 695 00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:31,520 Speaker 6: people who've been here for years and decades, contributing to 696 00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:35,719 Speaker 6: the society, buying homes, working, having kids, if you don't 697 00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:39,080 Speaker 6: allow them to have a pathway to legalization, then you 698 00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:40,040 Speaker 6: are ensuring that you. 699 00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,759 Speaker 5: Have a permanent underclass. I think he's a contradiction. 700 00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:47,120 Speaker 6: He's somebody whose family and who himself has benefited from 701 00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:51,400 Speaker 6: that inequality that is created by having that underclass. But 702 00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:56,400 Speaker 6: he's also somebody who, by expressing his extremely racist and 703 00:38:56,480 --> 00:39:00,319 Speaker 6: vitriolic viewpoints and turning them into policy, has found a 704 00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:03,680 Speaker 6: sense of power and purpose. So I think he is 705 00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:07,759 Speaker 6: a true believer. Everything in my reporting shows that he 706 00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:13,000 Speaker 6: actually thinks that he is quote unquote saving America by 707 00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,560 Speaker 6: unleashing the worst crackdown in the United States history on 708 00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:17,680 Speaker 6: immigrant communities. 709 00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:20,880 Speaker 1: I mean, is there any sense in which they see 710 00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:25,640 Speaker 1: that we need these people for the economy, or that 711 00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:30,320 Speaker 1: they have any sort of normal sense of why immigration 712 00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:32,200 Speaker 1: is good or now? 713 00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:34,880 Speaker 5: I don't think Stephen Miller does at all. I think I. 714 00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:39,120 Speaker 6: Think he's somebody who when you listen to his words 715 00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:42,439 Speaker 6: and read his writing and particularly his private correspondence, it's 716 00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,680 Speaker 6: so clear how deeply influenced he has been by white 717 00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:52,040 Speaker 6: supremacist literature that actually sees immigrants as a mortal threat 718 00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:55,759 Speaker 6: to this country. One of those books is The Camp 719 00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:58,600 Speaker 6: of the Saints, which it's a French dystopian novel by 720 00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:03,440 Speaker 6: genre spy who Stephen Miller. During the Chump campaign advised 721 00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:07,279 Speaker 6: Breitbart to do an article comparing the book's plot to 722 00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:09,080 Speaker 6: what's happening at the US Mexico border. 723 00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:10,279 Speaker 1: But the book. 724 00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:14,920 Speaker 6: Essentially portrays the destruction of the white world by a 725 00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:19,080 Speaker 6: horde of brown refugees who are described in overtly racist, 726 00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:23,640 Speaker 6: animalistic terms. But the worst villains of that book actually 727 00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:28,080 Speaker 6: are not the refugees. It's actually the allies, the liberal 728 00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:31,480 Speaker 6: people in the white world who welcome them with open 729 00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:33,800 Speaker 6: arms and who choose compassion for the stranger. 730 00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:37,799 Speaker 5: Those are the worst villains according to that book. 731 00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:41,680 Speaker 6: And I think that aligns with Stephen Miller's views, which 732 00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:45,160 Speaker 6: are extremely hostile to immigrants, but equally or more so 733 00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:48,919 Speaker 6: towards anyone who believes that we should integrate them into 734 00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:51,600 Speaker 6: our society and that we should be inclusive in our 735 00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:53,440 Speaker 6: culture and in our politics. 736 00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:58,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, it is just like the most insane kind of 737 00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:04,160 Speaker 1: world live in. So can you explain to us like, 738 00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:07,120 Speaker 1: from what you've learned about this, what you think the 739 00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:12,839 Speaker 1: right thing for people who care about the world and 740 00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:15,960 Speaker 1: this kind of thing should be doing. Yeah. 741 00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:18,240 Speaker 6: So I wrote a piece in The New York Times 742 00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:22,680 Speaker 6: recently about the videos that people have been recording of 743 00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:27,000 Speaker 6: the arrests, the ice rates, and arrests in their neighborhoods. 744 00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,319 Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, that was a great piece I read that. 745 00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:32,480 Speaker 6: I think these are some of the most powerful ways 746 00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:36,560 Speaker 6: for people to resist, which is to show who the 747 00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:41,360 Speaker 6: Trump administration is actually targeting with their immigration operations, because 748 00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:44,880 Speaker 6: a recent survey showed that most Americans, not even does 749 00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:49,799 Speaker 6: most conservatives, but most Americans believe that Trump is targeting 750 00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:53,799 Speaker 6: or prioritizing serious criminals. And so the more that you're 751 00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:55,919 Speaker 6: able to show that the people that he's that they're 752 00:41:55,960 --> 00:42:00,479 Speaker 6: going after are actually valued community members, people who are 753 00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:02,560 Speaker 6: trying to put food on the table for their children, 754 00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:06,040 Speaker 6: people who are beloved by liberals and conservatives alike, who 755 00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:08,799 Speaker 6: are being snatched off of the streets in front of 756 00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,879 Speaker 6: their homes, in front of their crying children. The more 757 00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:16,239 Speaker 6: you show that, the more you're destabilizing the narrative, the 758 00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:20,439 Speaker 6: false narrative of the Trump administration of Stephen Miller that 759 00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:24,160 Speaker 6: what they are doing is making this country safer and stronger, 760 00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:27,640 Speaker 6: because in reality, what you see is they are terrorizing 761 00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:31,840 Speaker 6: families and communities, and they are creating a public safety 762 00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:36,120 Speaker 6: crisis for people of color, particularly Latinos, who are being 763 00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:39,960 Speaker 6: racially profiled across the United States, because these agents are 764 00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:46,000 Speaker 6: leaping out of unmarked vehicles and taking people. And oftentimes 765 00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:51,040 Speaker 6: people are afraid to resist or to intervene when they 766 00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:54,600 Speaker 6: see something like this because they could be charged with 767 00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:57,879 Speaker 6: impeding an officer. But I mean oftentimes the neighbors don't 768 00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:01,000 Speaker 6: actually know, like is this ice or is this a kidnapper? 769 00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:04,200 Speaker 6: And so I really the feeling in our community, especially 770 00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:08,000 Speaker 6: in Los Angeles, it's this sense of a public safety crisis, 771 00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:11,400 Speaker 6: like the administration is making a mixedtatus communities and communities 772 00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:16,719 Speaker 6: of color more vulnerable to extortion, kidnapping, assaults, human trafficking, 773 00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:20,360 Speaker 6: all kinds of things because of the way that immigration 774 00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:24,440 Speaker 6: agents are behaving, which is in this vigilante style that 775 00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:27,800 Speaker 6: is meant to create fear, and that is very effective 776 00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:29,040 Speaker 6: at creating fear. 777 00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:32,719 Speaker 1: Geane. This is so your piece. Everyone should read your 778 00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:37,120 Speaker 1: piece in the New York Times about how these people 779 00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:41,480 Speaker 1: have created these ice watchdogs. It's really a great piece 780 00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:45,160 Speaker 1: and you've done such good work and really appreciate you 781 00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:46,759 Speaker 1: coming on the pod to talk about it. 782 00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:51,480 Speaker 5: Thank you. I really appreciate you having me a moment. 783 00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:55,480 Speaker 3: Rick Wilson, poly drunk fast. 784 00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:57,200 Speaker 1: It's that time. 785 00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:00,080 Speaker 3: Is it that time again? The moment that time? My 786 00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,440 Speaker 3: moment of fuckery this week is are There are a 787 00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:03,920 Speaker 3: lot of big things, but this is one of those 788 00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:08,239 Speaker 3: smaller irritating people. Folks. Let's all getting the way back 789 00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:13,040 Speaker 3: machine to Kim Davis, the county clerk back in Ascrack, 790 00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:16,560 Speaker 3: Kentucky stand or wherever the fuck she's from, who refused, 791 00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:22,720 Speaker 3: who refuse to issue marriage licenses for gay people? And 792 00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:25,799 Speaker 3: she is the root cause of another one of these 793 00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:30,400 Speaker 3: long march Republican strategies, not even necessarily Republican, more like 794 00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:34,320 Speaker 3: Christian nationalist strategies to undo gay marriage. And the Obert 795 00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:37,279 Speaker 3: refereral case, which legalized gay marriage in this country is 796 00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:39,799 Speaker 3: now under challenge from her and a bunch of these 797 00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:43,920 Speaker 3: other idiots. And you can see Clarence Thomas and Alito 798 00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:48,919 Speaker 3: are salivating to kill gay marriage. The Christian right folks 799 00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:51,399 Speaker 3: are salivated to kill gay marriage. And this is all 800 00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:53,520 Speaker 3: coming from a woman who is on her soon to 801 00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:55,960 Speaker 3: be on her fourth marriage. So I just want to 802 00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,640 Speaker 3: say to Kim Davis, I'm so glad you believe the 803 00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:00,399 Speaker 3: institution of marriage. Why don't you let her somebody else 804 00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,400 Speaker 3: that lived their own fucking lives and do it themselves. 805 00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:05,799 Speaker 1: As someone whose mother was on her fourth marriage, so ask. 806 00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,520 Speaker 3: But your mom had no problem with people getting married, 807 00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:09,520 Speaker 3: that's the thing. 808 00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:14,000 Speaker 1: No, she did not. All right, good job. That's it 809 00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:21,040 Speaker 1: for this episode of Fast Politics. Tune in every Monday, Wednesday, Thursday, 810 00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:25,120 Speaker 1: and Saturday to hear the best minds and politics make 811 00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:29,279 Speaker 1: sense of all this chaos. If you enjoy this podcast, 812 00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:33,040 Speaker 1: please send it to a friend and keep the conversation going. 813 00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:34,640 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening.