Speaker 1: Hell, I suck at dating with the Ungler and Jared Haven.
Speaker 1: I heard radio podcast what is Up, Sucky Daters? What
Speaker 1: a beautiful week it is. Jared is back in Los Angeles.
Speaker 1: I can feel his presence of a measly fifteen miles
Speaker 1: away from me. Easton is in studio in Burbank, which
Speaker 1: is maybe twenty miles away. I just feel the energy
Speaker 1: of good vibes pulsing through the zoom screen right now.
Speaker 1: How are you guys? We're just inching our way closer
Speaker 1: back together until one day we're reunited in studio once again. Right.
Speaker 1: It's funny. We we talked about it, or I think
Speaker 1: Easterner Mark mentioned at the top of the podcast, before
Speaker 1: we were recording, Jared was quarantining on the East Coast,
Speaker 1: waiting things out, waiting for things to get better, and
Speaker 1: here he comes back to Los Angeles on what might
Speaker 1: be the worst day for the coronavirus. Yeah. I just
Speaker 1: actually and I just figured we'd wait till Los Angeles
Speaker 1: became an epicenter of the of the virus before decided
Speaker 1: to fly back into it. You know, unbelievable. I know,
Speaker 1: we quarantined for three and a half months over on
Speaker 1: the East coast, planning on going back to the West coast,
Speaker 1: and by the time we get here, it's just only
Speaker 1: getting worse. But I mean, we're we're still quarantine, We're
Speaker 1: still we're staying inside. We're not going anywhere. It's an
Speaker 1: interesting strategy, Cot and I wonder if it's going to
Speaker 1: pay off for them. Oh well, I guess we'll find out.
Speaker 1: We've got a great episode for you guys today. We've
Speaker 1: got Jared wants to ask me about Calin's birthday. I
Speaker 1: just want to tease it a little bit, Jared. Sorry,
Speaker 1: we have We've got a couple of guests calling in
Speaker 1: that are gonna share their experiences while dating during quarantine
Speaker 1: and the coronavirus. Have we talked to you guys. We
Speaker 1: haven't talked to you since we saw your appearance on
Speaker 1: Bachelor Greatest Seasons. Ever, I don't think we talked about
Speaker 1: that at all. Uh, you're right. Well, we recorded last
Speaker 1: time right before Calin's birthday and that was about two
Speaker 1: weeks ago. So I have I have two questions for you. One,
Speaker 1: how is Calin's birthday? What did you guys do? And two, Uh,
Speaker 1: you revealed on the Greatest Seasons of all time that
Speaker 1: you got a are not married, but you wear promise
Speaker 1: rings pretty much. So finally we have our after like
Speaker 1: nine months of speculation. It's it's kind of funny. Actually,
Speaker 1: I'll get into the uh the Ring and the Greatest
Speaker 1: of All Time episode in a minute, because the story
Speaker 1: behind it's kind of funny. But Caitlin's birthday was good.
Speaker 1: We drove out to Las Vegas. Her parents live out there,
Speaker 1: or her grandparents live out there, so we stayed with
Speaker 1: them for about a week and uh we went to
Speaker 1: like a restaurant on her birthday, which is a big
Speaker 1: treat for us. Obviously, we social distance and war masks
Speaker 1: when we weren't eating, but it was a good time.
Speaker 1: She was stoked to be around her family. Her uncle
Speaker 1: lives out there as well, so it was just nice
Speaker 1: for us to be able to kind of get away.
Speaker 1: And her grandparents have like a pool and a gym
Speaker 1: and like a nice big house, which is just it's
Speaker 1: nice to get away from the apartment where you feel
Speaker 1: like you're kind of like a like a like a
Speaker 1: mouse trapped in a cage sort of thing. Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: the the I don't think that I did as well
Speaker 1: for her birthday as she did for mine. She knocked
Speaker 1: out of the park and she kind of set the
Speaker 1: bar at like a unttatable level. But I did my best.
Speaker 1: I you know, I got her some some sentimental presence
Speaker 1: and uh, I just made sure to focus in on
Speaker 1: her all day. Uh. And I would say that she
Speaker 1: was pretty pleased with with how everything worked. I can't
Speaker 1: I don't want to speak on her behalf, but that's
Speaker 1: just my interpretation of it. Um. So yeah, that was it.
Speaker 1: And then yeah, we have Greatest of All Time, which
Speaker 1: we recorded, uh not too long after or no, I
Speaker 1: guess we recorded Greatest of All Time before because I
Speaker 1: still had my hair and then we shaved my head
Speaker 1: before we went to Vegas for her birthday. So we
Speaker 1: record the Greatest at All Time. And I was kind
Speaker 1: of like if you as to whether or not I
Speaker 1: was like I even wanted to be part of it. Uh,
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, were like whatever,
Speaker 1: Like what what do we have to lose? There's no
Speaker 1: point in not doing it. Um. And we were supposed
Speaker 1: to record at seven pm, and I like teet off
Speaker 1: with my buddies at like three thirty pm in West
Speaker 1: l A. And I was like, dude, I know that
Speaker 1: we're probably not gonna be able to power through around
Speaker 1: the golf in three hours, but we're gonna try it. Anyways.
Speaker 1: And I was on the fifteen pole, uh, and I
Speaker 1: was like, it's like it was like six thirty and
Speaker 1: it was like a twenty minute drive, and so I
Speaker 1: was like, I just basically beered off and was sprinting
Speaker 1: through the golf course and I had like, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: I had like two beers at the time too, so
Speaker 1: I had a pee really bad. Uh. Get in the car,
Speaker 1: get back to Kitlin's apartment literally at like seven oh five,
Speaker 1: and the recording was supposed to start at seven um,
Speaker 1: but it started a little bit later than expected. I
Speaker 1: literally sat down, put the microphone on, and we started
Speaker 1: recording right away. And then we answered the question of
Speaker 1: the rings. And I like didn't really you know, I
Speaker 1: kind of expected them to ask the question. I didn't
Speaker 1: really like plan a response and anythink that, but uh,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I answered it in that way that I
Speaker 1: had never really answered it before. And after we were
Speaker 1: done recording, Klin looked over at me and she goes, oh,
Speaker 1: I can't believe you actually answered that with more of
Speaker 1: a firm answer. Than you have been before, where it's
Speaker 1: always like this open ended what is it? What is
Speaker 1: in it? Sort of thing. Um, So, yeah, it's the
Speaker 1: intimidation of Chris Harrison. Chris Harrison, he should be a lawyer.
Speaker 1: I guess it was. I was just like I was, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was like just so frazzled and flustered from having
Speaker 1: like rush home so quickly, getting getting back to the apartment,
Speaker 1: having to like put everything on, like the microphone and everything,
Speaker 1: and like sitting down and call them like being going
Speaker 1: with me for being so late, and so I was
Speaker 1: just like in a mode where I was just like
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna talk my butt off. What is it
Speaker 1: about guys where we feel like we can just get
Speaker 1: everything done in a time span that is impossible to
Speaker 1: get things done in like if like, for example, if
Speaker 1: we have to if like we have dinner at six,
Speaker 1: I'll get in the shower at like five fifty. If
Speaker 1: we have to leave the house by six, it's like,
Speaker 1: all r, I'm gonna shower, and she's like it's five.
Speaker 1: In ten minutes. I'm like, yeah, it'll be fine, and
Speaker 1: then I'm ready by six, But like, why didn't I
Speaker 1: shower an hour earlier. I don't know what the hell
Speaker 1: was I I agree, but it does have a way
Speaker 1: of always working itself out in my experience, at least
Speaker 1: where it's like, yeah, if it's if you're gonna do something,
Speaker 1: just wait till the last minute and it'll get done
Speaker 1: when it gets done, I mean, and it never seems
Speaker 1: to it's like, yeah, maybe it's let me down a
Speaker 1: couple of times, but I would say it's it's more
Speaker 1: successful more often than the majority of time it works
Speaker 1: out well it was. I'm glad that Calin's birthday went well.
Speaker 1: Significant other birthdays are always high pressure. I always feel
Speaker 1: like I suck at giving Ashley gifts. I feel I
Speaker 1: feel the same way you do. I feel like actually
Speaker 1: always out gives me because she's just so good at it.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's a girl thing or maybe
Speaker 1: Calin and Ashley are just specifically really good at giving gifts.
Speaker 1: But I'm sure you did a wonderful job, team, because
Speaker 1: you've been doing uh You're you're a very sweet, sentimental guy.
Speaker 1: So if you gave sentimental gifts that Calin, I'm sure.
Speaker 1: I think birthdays are especially hard because there's an expectation
Speaker 1: there whereas like if you're just getting gifts throughout the
Speaker 1: year for like random days, like just for like a Wednesday,
Speaker 1: like you come home with flowers or something like that.
Speaker 1: Like those I think are more thoughtful because there is
Speaker 1: no expectation. But there's also a lot more pressure on
Speaker 1: the birthdays because it's like, Okay, it's their birthday. What
Speaker 1: are you gonna do for him? Are you gonna equal
Speaker 1: or exceed what they did for you? Are you going
Speaker 1: to come in a little bit lower to kind of
Speaker 1: like re recalibrate and restabilize what's going on here? So
Speaker 1: birthdays tricky. Do you get random gifts for Forklin? And
Speaker 1: if so, what are they? Yeah, I mean I'll like, uh,
Speaker 1: like I got her some artwork to hang for her apartment. Uh,
Speaker 1: little things throughout the week, like I'll get her flowers
Speaker 1: or I will like if I'm out golfing with my buddies,
Speaker 1: I'll be sure to like come home with dinner or
Speaker 1: something like that, Like small things like that, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, So that you care? That makes sense?
Speaker 1: What what type of flowers do you get? Kaylin? Do
Speaker 1: you give her roses? No? I'm not not a big
Speaker 1: rose guy. Even before the bachelor. I was never a
Speaker 1: big rose guy. Like, yeah, I had gotten girlfriends roses before,
Speaker 1: but I think there's just a little too cliche. I
Speaker 1: like to go with like the lilies or the tulips.
Speaker 1: Those are very I'm definitely not a red rose guy.
Speaker 1: I can never give actually a red rose just because
Speaker 1: it's too weird now, but I get well, the thing
Speaker 1: about roses is different colors have different meaning. Like orange roses.
Speaker 1: I mean I think they mean like passion and pink
Speaker 1: roses every like the white rose, I think it's a
Speaker 1: friendship rose. So don't get a white rose. I think
Speaker 1: yellows friendship. Yellows friendship. Okay, so don't get a yellow one,
Speaker 1: whichever one it is. Let us know sucky daters that
Speaker 1: help I suck a dating Instagram coming below. Let us
Speaker 1: know which rose is meaning for each color, because I
Speaker 1: truthfully don't know. But yeah, I like to think of
Speaker 1: different things too. Um. I used to be a lot better.
Speaker 1: I will say, after Ashley and I got married, I've
Speaker 1: been slacking. I still get her random gifts here and there,
Speaker 1: but I used to do it like on a weekly basis,
Speaker 1: And I really gotta start putting more effort into that
Speaker 1: I'm sure, just like we all do. UM, but I
Speaker 1: do want to talk about something before we have. So,
Speaker 1: like Dean said, we have a panel of single people
Speaker 1: during this COVID nineteen pandemic, and I'm very interested to
Speaker 1: get their perspective on dating and relationships right now, because
Speaker 1: obviously Dean and I are in relationships and we're very
Speaker 1: lucky because we're quarantine with their significant other. Or maybe
Speaker 1: not so lucky, but uh, just kidding. Uh. There was
Speaker 1: an article, Dean that I wanted to talk to you
Speaker 1: about that I was perusing the internet for and uh
Speaker 1: it's about commitment issues, people with commitment issues, And I
Speaker 1: thought who better to speak on this than our very
Speaker 1: own Dean Angler, who has been very public about his
Speaker 1: uh commitment issues. Uh. And how you're getting so much
Speaker 1: better at it, which is pretty cool. We're watching you
Speaker 1: grow in front of our eyes. But it's it's from
Speaker 1: a website called your tango dot com. Not sure what
Speaker 1: the website is, but regardless, Uh. And the title says
Speaker 1: eight facts about dating people with commitment issues, as written
Speaker 1: by a woman who has them. So, Dean, I want
Speaker 1: to talk about these eight commitment issues, uh, or these
Speaker 1: eight facts that apparently you need to know about dating
Speaker 1: someone with commitment issues, and I want to see if
Speaker 1: you agree with them or if you disagree with them.
Speaker 1: Got it? Yeah, let's hear it alright. So Number one,
Speaker 1: you cannot change someone else's fear of commitment and says,
Speaker 1: if you're dating someone who has a fear of commitment
Speaker 1: with the belief that they will commit to you if
Speaker 1: you give them the time, love them enough, or show
Speaker 1: them how great relationships can be, you're setting yourself up
Speaker 1: for heartbreak. There's only one person who can change someone's
Speaker 1: commitment issues, and that is the person who has them themselves.
Speaker 1: And people only change themselves if they say see a
Speaker 1: need for change. Yes, I agree wholeheartedly with that statement.
Speaker 1: For me, from my experience, it was very much the
Speaker 1: same thing. Uh. I can never speak and say exact that.
Speaker 1: Girls that I have dated have tried to break me
Speaker 1: out of my commitment phobia, but it wasn't until I
Speaker 1: addressed it within myself that I was really able to
Speaker 1: overcome it, if you will, So it's definitely something that
Speaker 1: you have to tackle with it within yourself. And if
Speaker 1: anybody is listening out there who feels like they're dating
Speaker 1: somewhere or want to date someone who they feel like
Speaker 1: has commitment issues, then you should probably listen up because
Speaker 1: you might see their perspective on things. Number two, people
Speaker 1: with commitment issues get portrayed as bad guys or bad girls,
Speaker 1: but we're so not, not all of us anyway. Not
Speaker 1: wanting commitment doesn't mean we're uncaring or selfish. It doesn't
Speaker 1: mean we don't care about you or want you in
Speaker 1: our life. It just means we don't foresee wanting a commitment,
Speaker 1: and we aren't going to pretend otherwise. If we pretended
Speaker 1: we wanted that stuff just to get close to you,
Speaker 1: that would be careless, uncaring, and selfish. And there are
Speaker 1: some jerks who do do that. Those are the bad guys.
Speaker 1: If we're telling you up front, we're If we're telling
Speaker 1: you about it upfront, our commitment ship, commitment issues up front,
Speaker 1: we're doing it because we want you to understand what
Speaker 1: it means to date us, so you can make a
Speaker 1: decision with your eyes wide open. I agree, and I've
Speaker 1: actually been criticized for this in the past, where I
Speaker 1: am overly expressive and communicative of my shortcomings, especially when
Speaker 1: it comes to commitment, and I like kind of leave
Speaker 1: it up to the girls to make the decision for themselves.
Speaker 1: So I think you can kind of go both ways.
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, all you're doing is giving them information,
Speaker 1: but at the same time, like maybe your actions say otherwise,
Speaker 1: and so they're putting stock in your actions and not
Speaker 1: so much into your words. But I do agree, like
Speaker 1: to an extent, I think that it's obviously a lot
Speaker 1: worse to like lie about things just to kind of
Speaker 1: get what they want from you, which is typically you know, sex.
Speaker 1: I guess you would say, um, but from my experience,
Speaker 1: I never thought of myself as a bad guy. I
Speaker 1: just thought that I've got a lot of issues, and
Speaker 1: I still got a lot of issues. I'm still working
Speaker 1: on it, but i'd like to I don't like to
Speaker 1: think that I'm a bad guy. You're not a bad
Speaker 1: guy at all, and don't we all have issues. I remember,
Speaker 1: actually before we became good friends, watching you on Bachelor
Speaker 1: in Paradise season four and really just not understanding why
Speaker 1: you were so villainized because you're you made mistakes. But
Speaker 1: I mean we've talked about this on the podcast before.
Speaker 1: You were very honest with everybody. You weren't lying to anyone,
Speaker 1: and even when that stuff was going on, I was like,
Speaker 1: I know this looks bad, but I'm just like telling
Speaker 1: telling everyone involved in what's going on exactly what's going
Speaker 1: on with the other person too, so they can like, like,
Speaker 1: I almost wanted one of them, And this is entirely
Speaker 1: like my idios idiosity. I wanted. I was being overly
Speaker 1: communicative with both of them because I wanted one of
Speaker 1: them to dump me and essentially make my mind up
Speaker 1: for me. And that was, you know, obviously twenty year
Speaker 1: old Dean being an idiot. I don't I wouldn't do
Speaker 1: that anymore. I don't recommend it to other people, but
Speaker 1: I think that was where my mindset was at the time.
Speaker 1: I was like, you guys, make this decision for me.
Speaker 1: The first one to dump me, I'll just end up
Speaker 1: with the other one. It's not I don't recommend it.
Speaker 1: I don't think. I'm not proud of it, but I
Speaker 1: think that's what was going through my head at the time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I see where you're coming from. Maybe not the smartest,
Speaker 1: but I totally get your point. Number Three, people who
Speaker 1: fear committing see relationships differently. Society has this obsession with
Speaker 1: committed relationships and marriage as the pinnacle of existence, and well,
Speaker 1: we don't buy it. We think there are a mirrored
Speaker 1: ways to have a relationship and it doesn't always have
Speaker 1: to look like what our parents had. Did I write
Speaker 1: this art because it's by some guy named Dean Ungler,
Speaker 1: I don't know, babies. I whole heartily agree with that
Speaker 1: too as a society, and not to not to take
Speaker 1: away anything from marriage. I know you're married, markis and
Speaker 1: are all married beautiful relationships, but we set this standard
Speaker 1: for any relationship that you're always working up to get
Speaker 1: married and if you don't reach marriage, it was a
Speaker 1: failed relationship. And I think that that's just not entirely true.
Speaker 1: I think that younger generations are beginning to see that.
Speaker 1: Uh and well, I do think that marriage is a
Speaker 1: beautiful uh sink relationship between two people. It's like a
Speaker 1: great thing to have happened. I don't think it's necess sarily.
Speaker 1: It doesn't have to always be the end of be
Speaker 1: all for any relationship. I agree, and this is coming
Speaker 1: from someone who's married. Number four. We're the best people
Speaker 1: to talk to about our commitment issues. We all have
Speaker 1: our own reasons for shying away from commitment more often
Speaker 1: than not. It's not because we want our love life
Speaker 1: to resemble in all you can eat buffet, but that
Speaker 1: isn't always the case. What we tell you might make
Speaker 1: more sense to you than you think, or maybe it won't,
Speaker 1: but it'll definitely be more accurate than what anyone else
Speaker 1: has to say about it. That's pretty generic, but I
Speaker 1: guess I agree with it. I think a self aware
Speaker 1: of commitment fobe is an incredibly reliable source for someone
Speaker 1: that's dealing with dating issues. They're like, I have friends
Speaker 1: who are commitment fobes, but who on the surface try
Speaker 1: not to be, pretend not to be, act like they're not,
Speaker 1: speak like they're not, but they really really are, and
Speaker 1: you don't, like, you don't really get anywhere during in
Speaker 1: a conversation with them because they're not willing to I guess,
Speaker 1: express what they are. They're not willing to address it.
Speaker 1: And then because of that, like all of their advice
Speaker 1: becomes astercized, ostracizes out a word, you put an aster
Speaker 1: on it because you don't really you kind of have
Speaker 1: to take with a grain of salt, you know, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree, number fine people with commitment issues tend to
Speaker 1: make accepting partners. The thing is, since we're not planning
Speaker 1: on legally binding ourselves to anyone, we don't care all
Speaker 1: that much about some of the stuff that other people
Speaker 1: are going to get hung up on. Your messiness, bad credit,
Speaker 1: low paying job, messy divorce, debt, horrible driving record doesn't
Speaker 1: affect most of us in any real way. Are you
Speaker 1: a cool human who maybe has a messy life, whatever
Speaker 1: it happens. If you're a walking disaster, it's a problem.
Speaker 1: But generally speaking, that stuff is your business, not ours. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree with that too. I guess I think I'm
Speaker 1: kind of more on the giving end of the messiness
Speaker 1: than the receiving end of the messiness. But maybe that's
Speaker 1: why I'm such a commitment fobus, because I know that
Speaker 1: the person that's gonna eventually, if if it happens, commit
Speaker 1: to me, they're gonna have to deal with my you know, look,
Speaker 1: credit score, a messiness, laziness. Oh yeah, smells. I told
Speaker 1: Ashley we first started, before we started dating, I was like, listen,
Speaker 1: you have a total different perception of what I actually am.
Speaker 1: I am a in mess and get ready for you.
Speaker 1: Number six people with a fear of commitment can still
Speaker 1: be capable of feeling incredibly deep love. We know, we
Speaker 1: know this goes against everything anyone thinks about us, but
Speaker 1: it's true for a lot of us. It's what scares
Speaker 1: us the most about relationships. We feel things intensely, we
Speaker 1: love wholeheartedly, and it's often bitten us in the behind
Speaker 1: adds that an aversion to following the fairytale script and
Speaker 1: loving becomes a complicated thing. But if we fall for you,
Speaker 1: it's going to be that earth shattering, life changing kind
Speaker 1: of love. It probably will not lead to a ring
Speaker 1: or a picket fence, but it will be its own
Speaker 1: kind of beauty. Yeah, yeah, great. Do you feel like
Speaker 1: you love deeply? Dean? Uh took a question and I
Speaker 1: don't really know how to answer that. I think that
Speaker 1: I have. I think that I am continuing to work
Speaker 1: on my ability to feel that way again if I
Speaker 1: want to feel that way again. I don't think I'm
Speaker 1: there yet. Uh. But you look back on any level,
Speaker 1: and we've talked about this and quite a bit of
Speaker 1: depth on this podcast before, is like the kind of
Speaker 1: love that you felt for your high school sweetheart is
Speaker 1: never gonna be be able to be replicated because it's
Speaker 1: like you're an idiot when you were sixteen years and
Speaker 1: it's the first time you felt those feelings. Yeah, like
Speaker 1: the first time exactly like that. It's very impactful, right, Uh.
Speaker 1: And so as time moves on, I don't know, all right, Well,
Speaker 1: we do have our guests on the line, so we
Speaker 1: will finish the last two seven and a a little
Speaker 1: bit later in the podcast, but right now we have
Speaker 1: our guests who are waiting on the line. And before
Speaker 1: we get to our panel of single people dating during
Speaker 1: this COVID nineteen pandemic, let's take a quick break. Welcome
Speaker 1: back to help I suck at dating. Uh. Dean and
Speaker 1: Jared here obviously, and we have a great panel that's
Speaker 1: joining us right now. Uh. Of well, to be frank
Speaker 1: single people, because we're a dating podcast, and Dean and
Speaker 1: I are both obviously in relationships, and we want to
Speaker 1: get the perspective of people who are dating right now.
Speaker 1: And I'd love to know the world of dating, especially
Speaker 1: with everything that's going on with social distancing and quarantine
Speaker 1: and all that. So let me introduce the panel one
Speaker 1: by one. First, from California, the Bay Area. She's twenty
Speaker 1: years old. She's a senior at San Diego State universitily
Speaker 1: and she is in an It's complicated relationships which will
Speaker 1: dive into a Lanta uh later, Hannah, Hannah, thanks for
Speaker 1: joining us. Yeah, of course. Oh how you doing good?
Speaker 1: How are you? I miss you guys. I know we
Speaker 1: miss you too. Sorry, Hannah. I didn't even realize it
Speaker 1: was you until I looked at a little gallery. Honna.
Speaker 1: You you've you've helped us in a Uh. Have you
Speaker 1: been on the podcast before? I know this is my
Speaker 1: first time. Oh well yes, And for the listeners out there,
Speaker 1: Hannah works very closely with the I Heart team, so
Speaker 1: we see here often at the Heart radio events. Yeah.
Speaker 1: We also have another person from the Bay Area, twenty
Speaker 1: seven years old and currently single, em Lynn. Em Lynn,
Speaker 1: thanks for joining us. Thank you single? What a time
Speaker 1: to be single? All right? Uh? And then also we
Speaker 1: wanted a guy's perspective, obviously, so also from California. He
Speaker 1: plays football at Syracuse University. And can you probably beat
Speaker 1: up both Dean and myself at the same time, Ethan, Ethan,
Speaker 1: how you doing, Bud good good? Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1: No man, thanks for coming on. We really appreciate it. Uh.
Speaker 1: And then last but certainly not Leash. She's twenty six
Speaker 1: years old, born in Kentucky but apparently has lived everywhere else. Uh,
Speaker 1: plays basketball, you see l A and apparently is gonna
Speaker 1: be in Space Jam two, which is freaking awesome. Nicole, Nicole,
Speaker 1: how are you? WHOA? Oh, I'm so good, Nicole, You're
Speaker 1: in Space Ham two. Yes, it was the best summer
Speaker 1: of my life. Not this summer. It was last summer
Speaker 1: when we found um. But I'm ann's incredible. People like
Speaker 1: Denzel Washington coming in on set just wanting to check in,
Speaker 1: Michael B. Jordan, like just everybody's there, you know, just
Speaker 1: wanting to see what's up the space Jam. So it
Speaker 1: was so much fun. I know you probably can't talk
Speaker 1: about it, but like the mon Stars coming back, what's
Speaker 1: bugs Bunny? Like in real life? Is Bill Murray making
Speaker 1: a cameo? So um, the Looney Chums they're all drawn
Speaker 1: in so like they're kind of like a stick figure.
Speaker 1: I wasn't being serious about bugs there, but the the
Speaker 1: Monstars are. I can't say much, but I'm a I'm
Speaker 1: a character in it and we are. Mom start like,
Speaker 1: I'll just leave it at that. It's gonna be awesome. Um,
Speaker 1: well that is awesome. I'm super excited for you and
Speaker 1: that's like the coolest thing I've heard in a very
Speaker 1: long time. So congratulations on that. But you're obviously on
Speaker 1: help us like a dating everybody, thank you for being here. Uh,
Speaker 1: and we are a dating podcast, So we wanted to
Speaker 1: get your perspective on some dating during this quarantine. I
Speaker 1: want to know, first and foremost, has anybody gone on
Speaker 1: a date during quarantine right now? I have not? Unfortunately no,
Speaker 1: so no, So like, all right, let's start with Emlyn. Emlyn,
Speaker 1: what is it like to be single right now and
Speaker 1: not have gone on a date for four months? How
Speaker 1: are you doing mentally? I'm going to make you feel
Speaker 1: like you've never been less jealous in your life. But
Speaker 1: I lost my job, I moved home. I live at
Speaker 1: home with my parents right now in South Carolina. Times
Speaker 1: are a little tough. I'm living on an island. Um
Speaker 1: that's ten miles long in The average age is sixty five.
Speaker 1: So I haven't been on any dates. But I've been
Speaker 1: texting with the guys from the past. Oh so you
Speaker 1: started going. Have you talked to like any ex boyfriends? Yeah?
Speaker 1: So right before this, my boyfriend and I broke up Um,
Speaker 1: interesting timing, but I have not gone back to him.
Speaker 1: I've gone back to guys prior to him. So just
Speaker 1: really feeling it all out. I mean, that's all we
Speaker 1: can do. I mean, so is anybody else talking to
Speaker 1: excess right now? Seeing how we're bored as hell? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm similar to EML and I. So I came back
Speaker 1: from college and I've been talking to my X from
Speaker 1: high school and that's just because it's just the easiest.
Speaker 1: But and like, especially as you got farther and deeper
Speaker 1: into quarantine and and more time at home, I feel
Speaker 1: like you definitely get moment like I know you fee
Speaker 1: for like some connection. So is it weird at all?
Speaker 1: Like Ethan? And you can obviously answer this discreetly if
Speaker 1: you want. Do you find that you're talking to an
Speaker 1: X more because you want to talk to him or
Speaker 1: more because it's just easier? Um? I think I think
Speaker 1: it's a mixture of both, because because since you already
Speaker 1: have like you don't have to go through the whole
Speaker 1: talking stage again and like the whole intro introduction and
Speaker 1: like feel each other out the type. Um, it's just
Speaker 1: it's just easier, you know, just to spend time without
Speaker 1: it being super awkward as opposed to where if it
Speaker 1: was normal and you have to meet someone you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's like fun, the whole chase and stuff. But
Speaker 1: now it's just it's just easier. It's just yeah, simple,
Speaker 1: nobody wants to chase because everybody wants to be six
Speaker 1: ft away. I've got a question for you guys. So
Speaker 1: in ethan uh and Emlyn's case, do you, guys and Nicole,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if you're talking to next as well,
Speaker 1: do you guys do you address that? Are you like, look,
Speaker 1: obviously you're quarantined, Like do you do you broach the
Speaker 1: topic or do you basically just kind of keep it
Speaker 1: Mom's the word sort of thing. I'm sort of just
Speaker 1: talking to them as if nothing's happened and saying still
Speaker 1: that can action. But with my most recent acts there's
Speaker 1: certainly not so um, not really bringing up quarantine much,
Speaker 1: just seeing if they still like me. Yeah, I'd say
Speaker 1: it's more of a don't ask, don't tell type of thing,
Speaker 1: is it is? So, Nicole, I saw your hand go
Speaker 1: up to So now that you guys were talking to
Speaker 1: your X, are you thinking about getting back together? Like?
Speaker 1: Has this quarantine put different perspective on your relationships. So
Speaker 1: my scenario is odd and the fact that I'm kind
Speaker 1: of similar to you Emelyn where we broke up kind
Speaker 1: of right before quarantine, and the reason being was, I mean,
Speaker 1: he was very serious, He's like the greatest guy if
Speaker 1: he's out there, but he uh like it was kind
Speaker 1: of went down to a marriage type of talk and
Speaker 1: I just wasn't really ready. And so now, of course
Speaker 1: through quarantine you're like, oh my gosh, I wish. But
Speaker 1: I then though, started talking to this other guy throughout
Speaker 1: this process, and I was actually gonna go on a
Speaker 1: date with him, but he lives in a different state
Speaker 1: and I was going to fly to see him, and
Speaker 1: literally like two days right before my flight, he tested positive.
Speaker 1: He plays football and he took positive for COVID. So
Speaker 1: then that's the damp on things. So I almost thought
Speaker 1: him like, is that like a timing thing? Like this
Speaker 1: just shouldn't work out, like you know, So it's just
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff going on, obviously, but being sick
Speaker 1: with COVID kind of you know, strike one. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: don't want to date someone who's testing positive COVID right now,
Speaker 1: so you're gonna fly out to see this guy, So
Speaker 1: did you did you know this person before him? Um?
Speaker 1: Sort of like in high school. Uh, we have like
Speaker 1: a bunch of mutual friends that his cousins went to
Speaker 1: my high school. Like I had seen him around and
Speaker 1: like I knew he wasn't some random stranger like I
Speaker 1: just struck up a conversation with um, but I didn't
Speaker 1: know him that well. So yeah, I was kind of like,
Speaker 1: we've been talking for a while, and it's like, do
Speaker 1: we want something to happen here? Like if not on
Speaker 1: not doing anything, you're not doing anything. Let's get this movement.
Speaker 1: So we tried. But then scripting halls, let me ask
Speaker 1: you this, if you do guys, if you plan on
Speaker 1: meeting up with him at any point, are you going
Speaker 1: to require him to show you like a failed COVID test.
Speaker 1: I think I hope I trust him. He was telling
Speaker 1: me he's like Nicole, my immune system is so good.
Speaker 1: Trust me. I'm like, okay, COVID. But he was asymptomatic,
Speaker 1: and so I think like after two weeks or asymptomatic,
Speaker 1: then you're good to go, Like even you can still
Speaker 1: test positive and just be fine. So I guess I
Speaker 1: just crossed my fingers and hope that he's okay. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I probably wouldn't. I'm I'm pretty la fair. What about
Speaker 1: the rest of you guys, if you were to go
Speaker 1: on a date in person, would you require the person
Speaker 1: that to show you like a failed COVID test. Maybe,
Speaker 1: but probably not. You're just like, you're just like, screw it,
Speaker 1: We're just gonna we're gonna take their chances. Well, I
Speaker 1: actually I already had it, so I think that I'm
Speaker 1: like not as scared about it it right now since ye. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So I was studying abroad earlier this year and I
Speaker 1: got sent home early from my program and I got
Speaker 1: home mid March, and then like two days after I
Speaker 1: came home, got a fever and then went to doctor
Speaker 1: and tested positive. Um, how sick did you get because
Speaker 1: you're very young. Yeah, I feel lucky because I didn't
Speaker 1: feel that sick. I mean, I had a fever for
Speaker 1: maybe two days. The worst thing was like my headache
Speaker 1: and I had weird chest pain, like it was pretty
Speaker 1: hard to breathe. But other than that, it was not
Speaker 1: as bad as I thought it was going to be,
Speaker 1: which was kind of nice. That is lucky. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just such a weird time because obviously we talked
Speaker 1: about like the vulnerable population, and like Emily and you
Speaker 1: were talking about how you're living with your parents right now,
Speaker 1: so like knock on wood, statistically speaking, like nobody here
Speaker 1: would have to hopefully worry about it too much if
Speaker 1: they ended up getting it, but you'd be worried about
Speaker 1: passing on into your parents, grandparents and so on and
Speaker 1: so forth. But I also want to talk about, as
Speaker 1: anybody been on dating apps during this time, is are
Speaker 1: you guys just like swiping left and right constantly? Because
Speaker 1: I feel like, honestly, if I was single right now,
Speaker 1: I'd be so bored on my mind that I would
Speaker 1: be on every dating out there. Is. I downloaded Hinged
Speaker 1: for a hot second, and I tried that out, and
Speaker 1: I thought, you know, maybe something because I've never done
Speaker 1: it before because I've been in a relationship for a
Speaker 1: while and go on there and I'll talk and I'm
Speaker 1: just like, that's not worth it, and then I'll delete it,
Speaker 1: and then maybe a few weeks will pass, I'll upload it,
Speaker 1: download it again, and I just delete it. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just a circle, round and round. Is anybody else
Speaker 1: on dating apps? Yeah, I'm on Riya, and I resort
Speaker 1: to it when I get bored. But I feel like
Speaker 1: the conversations just a little surface level. So that's why
Speaker 1: I keep resorting back to my past, because those guys
Speaker 1: are easier to talk to. Yeah, when I when I
Speaker 1: first got back, I was like, oh man, I need
Speaker 1: to get a Tinder. So I hopped on Tinder and
Speaker 1: then the yeah, some of that after like a week,
Speaker 1: like it gets pretty boring, so then yeah, I kind
Speaker 1: of just that stops. Well, it's got to be tough
Speaker 1: because dating apps are tough in general because most of
Speaker 1: the time you talk to someone for so long and
Speaker 1: you guys either end up not meeting up or it
Speaker 1: takes like two weeks of conversation for someone to meet up.
Speaker 1: But now, are you going to really meet up with anybody?
Speaker 1: Or if you guys do, is it gonna be like
Speaker 1: are you gonna wear masks? Like if any of if
Speaker 1: you guys go on dates right now, would you go
Speaker 1: on would you meet up at a restaurant with someone
Speaker 1: or would you rather have a social distance date, stay
Speaker 1: six ft away where masks so on and so forth. No,
Speaker 1: I think I'd still like go to I'd go to
Speaker 1: their house. And pick them up. I'd be as comfortable
Speaker 1: as they are. So if they're if they want to
Speaker 1: stay six ftpartly, that's fine. But if they're comfortable like
Speaker 1: like going in the same car, then I would be
Speaker 1: fine with it. That's probably the same approach I would
Speaker 1: take too. It is funny the whole dating app thing,
Speaker 1: because it's like the whole purpose in my opinion, and
Speaker 1: it sounds like you guys kind of would agree with
Speaker 1: this too. Is the whole purpose of being on a
Speaker 1: dating app is to like start talking to someone, but
Speaker 1: then if you're interested, immediately, uh meet them in person
Speaker 1: to see if there's like a deeper connection, and obviously
Speaker 1: you're not. Really you are able to do that, but
Speaker 1: it's still a little bit trickier nowadays, so it's like
Speaker 1: as entertaining as a dating app might be. I can
Speaker 1: understand why you guys would be more interested in talking
Speaker 1: to people as you are, you know, because it's just
Speaker 1: like you've already kind of bridge that gap and you
Speaker 1: don't have to go through the whole semantics of where
Speaker 1: are you from, where do you grow up? All those
Speaker 1: types of things, so I see where you're coming from.
Speaker 1: I guess we can stick to like until this whole
Speaker 1: thing starts fading away. But what are your like, what
Speaker 1: are your guys thoughts on on kissing, like being intimate
Speaker 1: right now? Same thing, just to just go with whoever
Speaker 1: whatever the other person is most comfortable with or what
Speaker 1: do you think The reason I asked this is because
Speaker 1: it's someone who's like quarantine with with my like my
Speaker 1: significant other that doesn't have to worry about this, Like
Speaker 1: I freak out when someone walks past me on the sidewalk. Now,
Speaker 1: granted I might be a little bit of a hypochondriact,
Speaker 1: but that's just me. But like dating, I'd be really
Speaker 1: nervous and it sounds stupid. I wish I could be
Speaker 1: more laser fair like you, Nicole, but I'm just not.
Speaker 1: And I want to get your thoughts about it, like,
Speaker 1: because this is a real thing for you guys that
Speaker 1: you have to think about. I mean, if you'd already
Speaker 1: spent a lot of time with them, I think the
Speaker 1: more time you spend, the more comfortable you'll get with
Speaker 1: the person. And also like, like I would need to
Speaker 1: be really attracted them and really like into them and
Speaker 1: create like more of a connection you Like, I feel
Speaker 1: like it really diminishes the hookup culture, Like you don't
Speaker 1: want to just go around and like getting with anyone
Speaker 1: because that poses a real risk to both of you guys.
Speaker 1: So now it's really like really made more important, like
Speaker 1: actually how you feel about the other person and you know,
Speaker 1: like if you've gone out with them, spend time with them,
Speaker 1: then I feel more comfortable. Um so yeah, I feel
Speaker 1: like it's definitely made made the intimacy more important. What
Speaker 1: do you guys, what do you think it's gonna be
Speaker 1: like after this is all over? Like once, uh, let's
Speaker 1: say America is like okay, everything's perfectly fine, come like
Speaker 1: August one. Do you think everyone's gonna like be hitting
Speaker 1: the bar is hard, trying to hook up with as
Speaker 1: many people as possible or is it going to be
Speaker 1: one of those things where it's going to be less
Speaker 1: of a priority? Do you think? Like what? What do
Speaker 1: you think it's gonna be? Like? I guess honestly, this
Speaker 1: has kind of been my dream come true for dating
Speaker 1: maybe because in twenty seven, but I've kind of slowed
Speaker 1: my role on the hookup culture at late night at bars,
Speaker 1: so I kind of like having an excuse not to
Speaker 1: kiss on the first date um, because it makes me
Speaker 1: look a little harder to get but be I don't
Speaker 1: want to get my parents sick living with them. Um.
Speaker 1: But I've always been a big fan of day dates
Speaker 1: and meeting up outside and going to have like a
Speaker 1: you know, wine in the park or walk around the
Speaker 1: city or whatever. So this is kind of my dream
Speaker 1: come true. I don't know if that's if that's attractive
Speaker 1: to any guys, but hopefully to someone out there, I
Speaker 1: think to your credit to there's less of an expectation
Speaker 1: after a day date, you know what I mean. Definitely, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's always a good thing too. What about the rest
Speaker 1: of you, guys, do you think it's gonna Is it
Speaker 1: going to motivate you to like go to the bars
Speaker 1: and hook up with more people or is it? Is
Speaker 1: it kind of uh? And again this is like assuming
Speaker 1: everything is back to normal, because I feel like people
Speaker 1: are gonna be like these horny bunny rabbits that are
Speaker 1: funnally out of their cages and they just want to
Speaker 1: go around and hump anything that they could be wrong.
Speaker 1: Bunny rabbits are notoriously horny creatures. I'm just saying, Guys
Speaker 1: after COVID might be the same way, I'd have to say,
Speaker 1: and I feel like we're spirit animals. I'm the same way.
Speaker 1: I'm actually at my parents' house right now. I am
Speaker 1: in Nashville, Tennessee, and I've been there with a bunch
Speaker 1: like probably like two or three months now. Like I've
Speaker 1: been back and forth to l in here. Um, and
Speaker 1: it's different, like even in the South. Um, we have
Speaker 1: a house in Kentucky as well, and like it's just
Speaker 1: not like some people, it's like nothing ever happened. I
Speaker 1: mean you're not even required to wear masks. Like it's
Speaker 1: almost Yeah, you go to the growth where everything's fine.
Speaker 1: People are still close and proximity talking. Um. But I definitely,
Speaker 1: I think it just depends on who you are, for
Speaker 1: after the fact of like if if you are like
Speaker 1: this party bunny rabbit like maybe, but I think some
Speaker 1: people just yeah, how comfortable they are, like if if
Speaker 1: they want to, they will, but if they're still scared
Speaker 1: and kind of more of a safe person and they'll
Speaker 1: kind of dial it back like animaline. But Ethan, what
Speaker 1: about you, Um, well, yeah, hopefully I'm going we'll have
Speaker 1: classes in the fall for college, so I think there'll
Speaker 1: be a lot of people, you know, once they go
Speaker 1: back to school will be like that. Um, Personally, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm not like, that's not the main
Speaker 1: reason why I'm like looking forward to going back to school,
Speaker 1: Like I'm just excited to see like people and socially
Speaker 1: socially interact. But for sure there will be a lot
Speaker 1: of people more um, more motivated to go out more
Speaker 1: than maybe they would have last year, um, purely to
Speaker 1: get with girls. Yeah, absolutely, Hannah, what do you think, um?
Speaker 1: I mean personally, I feel like this whole quarantine has
Speaker 1: made me really antisocial. Like I don't find like I
Speaker 1: don't see myself really wanting to even like go out.
Speaker 1: And I don't know, I feel like I just forgot
Speaker 1: how to talk to people and be social. Also, but
Speaker 1: I think in a general sense, if we're speaking like overall,
Speaker 1: I think people might be really excited just be around
Speaker 1: people again and go crazy. I can see that happening. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree. All right, Before you guys go, I do
Speaker 1: want to ask you some like rapid fire questions. Uh,
Speaker 1: just like quick little nuggets can be quick answers. I'll
Speaker 1: ask quick questions, um, and so uh why don't we
Speaker 1: do uh? Emlyn Nicole Hannah and then Ethan, and so
Speaker 1: we'll go on that order just so we can, like,
Speaker 1: you know, be somewhat organized as best as we can be.
Speaker 1: Over zoomed all ready. Alright, So some would you guys
Speaker 1: rather go on a first day dinner? Or drinks? Drinks? Dinner?
Speaker 1: Drinks dinner? There we go? Who should ask somebody on
Speaker 1: the first day? Guy or girl? Or it doesn't matter? Yeah? Guy?
Speaker 1: Who should pay for first date? I'm going, oh, Dean? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Why am I forgetting to include Dean in this? You
Speaker 1: say girl? Girls should ask me for both of those questions? Um?
Speaker 1: Who should pay for the first day? Guy? Girl? Doesn't matter?
Speaker 1: The guy? Guy? The guy? I think you ever asked
Speaker 1: the person on the day? You should pay? All right?
Speaker 1: I like a Dean coming with fire? Um would you
Speaker 1: rather go? Uh? Oh? So say you meet someone on
Speaker 1: like Instagram? Uh? What would you're opening? How do you
Speaker 1: get noticed on Instagrams? That makes sense? Like, you like
Speaker 1: somebody that's cute, You see the pictures? What do you do?
Speaker 1: Do you like their picture? Do you come at their picture?
Speaker 1: Do you d M them? What's your first move? That's tricky?
Speaker 1: I like I've been kind of doing that lately. Where
Speaker 1: I say I have crushed on a guy, or I
Speaker 1: like where they look. I'll try to like stop their
Speaker 1: pictures to get some intel, um something funny, like I
Speaker 1: don't like these cheesy random pickup lines, Like I want
Speaker 1: to pretend like I don't know I can swoop them
Speaker 1: off their feedza somehow, but like, I don't know, you
Speaker 1: just got to kind of get to know them, even
Speaker 1: though they have no idea who you are. All the first,
Speaker 1: make sure they follow back if I'm going after him,
Speaker 1: and then a d M. Yeah, I feel like maybe
Speaker 1: I just follow them on Instagram and hope that I
Speaker 1: like catch their attention. But I don't know, I can't
Speaker 1: ever see. I mean, I've never like DM someone being
Speaker 1: like hey I think you're really attractive or anything like that.
Speaker 1: I'm kind of like shy in that way. Let me
Speaker 1: just like follow them like a couple of their recent pictures.
Speaker 1: See if that works. Okay, Yeah, yeah, I've never really
Speaker 1: had much success with the team, so I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 1: I don't Maybe it's just the way I come off,
Speaker 1: or maybe just my opening lines are very good, so
Speaker 1: I like, I don't know, I've never really had much
Speaker 1: success like starting off with social media to begin with, well,
Speaker 1: what's your opening line? Because now I'm curious. But like,
Speaker 1: if you think a girl is like, you know, good looking,
Speaker 1: you could you could tell her, but then you just
Speaker 1: kind of look plain or boring, so then you can
Speaker 1: you can. I try to try jokes, but those usually
Speaker 1: then I just come off looking like an idiot. So
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe I just need more variety, but
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't do too well when I start
Speaker 1: off with Instagram. There's always that. One of the most
Speaker 1: often ones I received is like someone like send an
Speaker 1: emoji of a dog, and then the text would be
Speaker 1: like faster, get back here, sorry he's always running away
Speaker 1: from you, or something like that. That's pretty funny, but
Speaker 1: I see that one too many times. Our friend Nick
Speaker 1: has always encouraged people that find someone attractive on Instagram
Speaker 1: to like scroll to an older pick, maybe like a
Speaker 1: year or two old. Send that pick to them and
Speaker 1: be like if it's like if there's like a dog
Speaker 1: in the picture, be like, oh, you have a really
Speaker 1: cute dog, or something like something along those line. Is
Speaker 1: that way they know that you're going far enough back
Speaker 1: and it's still personal enough, so that sounds creepy. That
Speaker 1: sounds creepy to be. I mean, let's all be honest
Speaker 1: with ourselves. Whenever we find someone attractive on Instagram that
Speaker 1: we want to potentially date, we definitely creep pretty far.
Speaker 1: So it's you know, I mean this is very true. Um,
Speaker 1: So let's pretend that we're all back to normal. You
Speaker 1: guys are out at bars. What is something somebody can
Speaker 1: do to get your attention? It's so like if they say,
Speaker 1: like they walk over to you, what is something that
Speaker 1: they can do where you think to yourself, Okay, I
Speaker 1: like this person. Gosh, I don't know. Um, maybe if
Speaker 1: I saw him across the bar, what would I do?
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe if they're just giving me the
Speaker 1: eye where it's like, okay, they're not a creep, but
Speaker 1: it's just like a confident smile and then they come
Speaker 1: up and then just try to I don't know, they
Speaker 1: have to play it cool where they're normal, but I
Speaker 1: know they're not trying too hard. Okay, Oh gosh, I
Speaker 1: don't even know. I think maybe if they would like
Speaker 1: a approach me and like conford to buy me a drink,
Speaker 1: Like I don't know, I feel like I can't get
Speaker 1: a good gauge on people, especially at bars, like if
Speaker 1: I'm into them or not, I would have to talk
Speaker 1: to them. So definitely if someone would come up to
Speaker 1: me and just start a conversation, Ethan, what would like,
Speaker 1: do you use an opening line when you approach a
Speaker 1: girl at a bar or do you do you try
Speaker 1: to play it cool and just walk up and introduce yourself. Um? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I can try to play it cool. That's not always
Speaker 1: going to work though, because you might you might meet
Speaker 1: a girl that's not looking for a cool guy. Maybe
Speaker 1: she's looking maybe she's more goofy or like you know,
Speaker 1: it's spunky. Um no, I would I would like just
Speaker 1: like a really a girl that's like really comfortable with
Speaker 1: this conversation and like having a good time, especially if
Speaker 1: you're at a bar, Like if she's like, you know,
Speaker 1: if you can like laugh and tell a joke or
Speaker 1: she's funny, like that would catch my attention. The hard
Speaker 1: thing about a guy playing it cool at a bar
Speaker 1: is uh, if there's a girl that you are like
Speaker 1: interested in or you think is cute. By playing hard
Speaker 1: to get at a bar, there's gonna be like twenty
Speaker 1: other guys that are not playing hard to get that
Speaker 1: are gonna like find a way to swoop in and
Speaker 1: circumvent your advances in any sort of way. So it's
Speaker 1: like kind of tricky for a guy. I feel like
Speaker 1: those guys at bars don't have any shame, right right,
Speaker 1: and so for Ethan people like Ethan and I'm the
Speaker 1: same way too, Like I'd rather just like play it cool.
Speaker 1: It's like by playing it cool, you're almost like not
Speaker 1: even putting yourself in the game, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So it's like sometimes it works, sometimes doesn't work, but
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, if you're playing cool, you gotta
Speaker 1: hope that they have a lot of interest than you,
Speaker 1: because if they don't, then they're just then you're not
Speaker 1: even shooting your shot, like you know, all right, last
Speaker 1: two questions, what is the best uh physical feature of
Speaker 1: somebody that you're interested in? For example, like what do
Speaker 1: you like most physically? And it can't be smiled because
Speaker 1: no one can see smiles for the next six months anyway.
Speaker 1: Mask you know, I'm tall, I'm six ft like six
Speaker 1: one ish. I mean, if I want to wear heels,
Speaker 1: like all these small guys are always coming up, I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh boy, like I am looking down on you, this
Speaker 1: isn't gonna work. And like my family and my little
Speaker 1: brother is seven to my dad six nine, other brothers
Speaker 1: sixth nine, Like he is gonna seven to brother Yeah,
Speaker 1: like we're all basketball player. He was on the next
Speaker 1: like we're all Like I mean, I just like height
Speaker 1: is I love good eyes though, of course too. But
Speaker 1: if I can't see your eyes because they're way down there,
Speaker 1: it's just not gonna work. Okay, makes sense now while
Speaker 1: you're in spacem two, got it? I would say hype too,
Speaker 1: but also build like big guys. That's what I first
Speaker 1: noticed in the guy if they're like, wait, so you
Speaker 1: like big muscles, Yeah, not necessarily big muscles, Like I
Speaker 1: kind of like an extra like padding on guys sometimes,
Speaker 1: Like I don't know, I just want to guys, So
Speaker 1: you would you rather have like a dad bought like
Speaker 1: because I'm confused, are you talking about like the rock?
Speaker 1: Are you talking about like just like a guy who's
Speaker 1: got like a few extra like a few extra pounds
Speaker 1: isn't bother me. I don't hate dad bonds, but definitely
Speaker 1: just like big like big muscles. Yeah, I guess I
Speaker 1: just like the look of someone being bigger rather than skinny,
Speaker 1: because then I feel like I can't even be attracted
Speaker 1: to you, honestly. Yeah, even what about you? And when
Speaker 1: you see a girl, what do you find attractive? Oh,
Speaker 1: definitely you look at face first, but then specifically like
Speaker 1: I definitely say eyes and teeth or like smile. You said, no, smile, man,
Speaker 1: there's I know. I know that. I know that's why.
Speaker 1: So I guess I. Um, yeah, heights not that important.
Speaker 1: I mean like five five three probably would be cut off. Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's space first, though, Dean, what about you? Boobs for sure?
Speaker 1: Total boops, big bos, big boops. Guy over there, Now,
Speaker 1: I'm just kidding. Come on, man, I would say smile too.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm in the same campus, Ethan. I know that's
Speaker 1: obviously not allowed to be an answer because of the
Speaker 1: mass situation, but smile eyes. You know what about you?
Speaker 1: Oh God, I don't know. I guess it's so cliche. Eyes,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, eyes boobs are always a great answer,
Speaker 1: but you know, definitely eyes a but but high but
Speaker 1: it's good. I don't know what a high butt is,
Speaker 1: but yeah, it's definitely sounds good. All right, Hey, guys,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for being part of the panel
Speaker 1: with us. We appreciate you. Good luck with dating during quarantine,
Speaker 1: good luck rekindling with all your ex is, whether that's
Speaker 1: uh gonna be a thing even post quarantine or not,
Speaker 1: but we wish your best to luck. Thank you for
Speaker 1: sharing your experiences and got speed. Thank you, Thanks guys,
Speaker 1: thanks for coming on, thank you, welcome back. Help I
Speaker 1: suck at daters. We just finished up our panel. That
Speaker 1: was pretty good. Your your your boobs joke fell pretty flat,
Speaker 1: but other than that, I thought it went really well.
Speaker 1: Apparently I'm not allowed to like boobs. Apparently that's a
Speaker 1: frowned upon thing. The reason why my joke didn't get
Speaker 1: a laugh was because of the connection error, that connectivity
Speaker 1: issues that we're in in here. So I agree. I laughed,
Speaker 1: but apparently, uh, nobody else did. I don't know what
Speaker 1: the hell happened. I thought it was really funny. Listen,
Speaker 1: we're genetically programmed to appreciate a good set of boobs.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just science. Um uh yeah. I mean
Speaker 1: it was cool to get perspective of single people dating
Speaker 1: during this time, because and that's insane. I would like
Speaker 1: I was saying, when they were on dude, I would
Speaker 1: be terrified. I'm terrified now and I don't have to
Speaker 1: go near anybody like I was. I was walking Lowest
Speaker 1: earlier today and there was a guy jogging on my
Speaker 1: side of the sidewalk, but and he was he was
Speaker 1: like sprinting, and so like I kind of got flustered
Speaker 1: because I had my I wasn't near anybody, so I
Speaker 1: had my mask underneath my chin, so I like I
Speaker 1: was trying to pull Lowest back and then put my
Speaker 1: mask over my chin. And all the dude had to
Speaker 1: do was like going the street for a second no
Speaker 1: one was coming, and just run six ft away from me.
Speaker 1: But he literally ran right past me, no mask, like
Speaker 1: two ft away and it's fine, but like in my head,
Speaker 1: I'm like, that guy got light too freaking close. And
Speaker 1: so the idea if I was single of like going
Speaker 1: on social distancing dates and having to abide by social
Speaker 1: distancing rules, I don't know, it's crazy. It's a crazy
Speaker 1: world we're living in right now. Yeah, it's that's I
Speaker 1: think we're both fortunate and the fact that we don't
Speaker 1: have to put ourselves in this situation of having to
Speaker 1: go on dates, especially during this time. Uh, we're lucky
Speaker 1: in that sense some of us aren't so lucky. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess I don't know how I would handle it.
Speaker 1: I think I would be kind of more along the
Speaker 1: lines of how Ethan was saying. He's handling it where
Speaker 1: he's like, he's as comfortable as the other person is
Speaker 1: going to be, So like, if the other person wants
Speaker 1: to stay six ft apart the whole time, he'll do that.
Speaker 1: If the other person is comfortable, and obviously they're both
Speaker 1: healthy with being a little bit closer than that, then
Speaker 1: he'll do that as well. So I respected his answers
Speaker 1: for the most part. Yeah, I respected to um. Again,
Speaker 1: I would just be worried about like being asymptomatic and
Speaker 1: passing it on until you know older people. But it's
Speaker 1: but like at some point, you know, like what are
Speaker 1: you supposed to do? Your mental health is a big
Speaker 1: part of life, and you can't just go on not
Speaker 1: you know, exploring different facets of of being in a relationship.
Speaker 1: So I don't know, but I'm glad they came on.
Speaker 1: It was really interesting. It was very fascinating and uh,
Speaker 1: just something we don't have to deal with. So Jared,
Speaker 1: give us an update in your life. Man, I feel
Speaker 1: like we haven't really heard much fromulately what's happening in
Speaker 1: my life when we're back in l A. We're back
Speaker 1: at the apartment with flew back last week and UH
Speaker 1: wore our mass the entire time. Everybody was still. It was,
Speaker 1: you know, nerve racking, at least for me, being in
Speaker 1: in an airport, you know, surrounded by hundred of people,
Speaker 1: and you know, most people are adhering to social distancing
Speaker 1: and pretty much everybody's wearing masks. But you always have
Speaker 1: like those outliers that are just standing like three ft
Speaker 1: away from you, and it's like, what are you doing?
Speaker 1: Just back up, you know so and then you have
Speaker 1: like those people too that are like kind of taking
Speaker 1: off their masks here and there. And I don't know,
Speaker 1: but it's good being back in l A. I definitely
Speaker 1: missed the East Coast, but it's nice having like adulthood back,
Speaker 1: being in our own place with our own car. Uh,
Speaker 1: feeling like adults once again, because you know, being at
Speaker 1: the in laws for so long, you just get used
Speaker 1: to being surrounded by parents and you know, I never
Speaker 1: felt like I was walking on eggshells. But you always
Speaker 1: want to be respectful and not kind of make my
Speaker 1: I didn't want. I never wanted to make my presence known.
Speaker 1: For example, I would never like go into the living
Speaker 1: room just put whatever the hell I wanted on TV.
Speaker 1: So it's nice being able to do that now. Um,
Speaker 1: But but things are good. Ashley and I are doing well.
Speaker 1: I do think there is some fatigue with quarantine, if
Speaker 1: I'm being honest with within our relationship, not a bad thing,
Speaker 1: but I do think that, Um, we've spent so much
Speaker 1: time together that while there's no problems in our relationship,
Speaker 1: I do find ourselves slipping into friendship more and more
Speaker 1: and more. And I know I've talked about that on
Speaker 1: the podcast before, and that is an issue that does
Speaker 1: take effort because you know, when you spend so much
Speaker 1: time I'm with someone. I don't know if your experiences
Speaker 1: with Kalen yet, but uh uh, it's you know, Ashley
Speaker 1: and I I can find myself we're hanging out more
Speaker 1: without like touching or cuddling in in kissing as much,
Speaker 1: you know, even though we still do that a lot.
Speaker 1: It's just kind of I don't know, I think spending
Speaker 1: so much time with someone now you're it's just we're
Speaker 1: getting like back into friendship almost which sounds dramatic. And
Speaker 1: I don't mean I don't want people to be like,
Speaker 1: oh they're they're only friends, and it's like no, no,
Speaker 1: no, no no, no, no. We kiss each other, we cuddle
Speaker 1: all the time. Uh, we're very intimate with each other.
Speaker 1: But I mean, I see where you're saying. I see
Speaker 1: you're coming from. I'm sorry, I don't want my silence
Speaker 1: to be uh, misconstrued as a judgment. I glaise I didn't.
Speaker 1: I see exactly where you're coming from. It makes a
Speaker 1: lot of sense where it's like you're spending more time
Speaker 1: together now than you probably ever have together. And you
Speaker 1: guys have already up to this point spending a crap
Speaker 1: load of time together, but now it's like day in,
Speaker 1: day out, seven for the past three months. Uh. But
Speaker 1: I think it's good that you guys are still able
Speaker 1: to like, uh, you know, obviously you're in Ashley's relationship
Speaker 1: was kind of based around friendship from the start, and
Speaker 1: so it's obviously you guys are able to bring it
Speaker 1: to more romantic level later on. But to know that
Speaker 1: you still have the friendship aspect, it's I think it's
Speaker 1: good for the longevity of the relationship and if you're
Speaker 1: in quarantine with a significant if you but if you're
Speaker 1: quarantine with a significant other right now and you're not
Speaker 1: doing that, that's kind of almost like a negative sign
Speaker 1: where it's like, oh, there's the only part of the
Speaker 1: relationship is like romantic and our friendship isn't really able
Speaker 1: to blossom from here, Like that's kind of a red flag.
Speaker 1: But the fact that you guys aren't doing that and
Speaker 1: then it is staying friendly and like, you know, joke,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know to what extent, but I
Speaker 1: think it's a good thing. I think, oh, I think
Speaker 1: it's a good thing too. But I think I'll also
Speaker 1: be a good thing once hopefully things start winding dine
Speaker 1: and we get back to normalcy a little bit where
Speaker 1: we do get a little distance within each other, just
Speaker 1: so you know, the heart you know, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: distance makes the heart grow fond a little bit. So
Speaker 1: it would be nice to kind of like miss her,
Speaker 1: you know, we don't see each other anymore, just because
Speaker 1: we're worth that would be nice. And I'm in I'm
Speaker 1: in that same camp entirely with you too, Like I'm
Speaker 1: looking forward to my next vand adventure where uh, you know,
Speaker 1: being reunited after a month of separation would be like excited. Yeah, totally. Um,
Speaker 1: let's do one email and then I'm gonna read the
Speaker 1: last two uh commitment issue facts, uh to sum that
Speaker 1: up and then uh we'll get going sweet. I'll read
Speaker 1: this email, uh real quick. Which when you getta choose,
Speaker 1: give me a minute, I'll just pull up the first one.
Speaker 1: All right, great, because that's from anonymous, and our favorites
Speaker 1: are always from anonymous because they're usually juice here. Yes, okay,
Speaker 1: so we have an email from anonymous and actually, well,
Speaker 1: since we have Mark in this zoom call, perhaps you
Speaker 1: would be willing to take the dive and read that
Speaker 1: email for us. Thank you so much, gentlemen, what a
Speaker 1: what a nice treat. Well, the tree is really all ours.
Speaker 1: You have very wonderful words. Thank you. I'm closing the
Speaker 1: door so I can give this the attention to deserves.
Speaker 1: All right, you want the anonymous phone? Here we go.
Speaker 1: I reached out to my extra about a year ago
Speaker 1: on social media. We get it for six years and
Speaker 1: broke up in two thousand and six. Since then, we've
Speaker 1: both moved on, married with two kids. It's not that
Speaker 1: I wanted to get back with him, but I wanted closure.
Speaker 1: After I graduated college and both moved back to the
Speaker 1: Bay Area, he suddenly distanced himself, continuously lied to me,
Speaker 1: and I'm pretty sure he cheated on me, but he's
Speaker 1: never admitted it. I continuously asked, what did I do wrong?
Speaker 1: I put the blame on myself and couldn't let it
Speaker 1: go all these years. I could go on and on
Speaker 1: about the conversation would After chatting and catching up, I
Speaker 1: pretty much got all the answers I needed. He was
Speaker 1: glad I reached out because he also wanted to apologize
Speaker 1: for how things ended. If there was anyone in the
Speaker 1: world you could call for closure, who would it be?
Speaker 1: Has a lack of closure ever hindered your future relationships?
Speaker 1: I guess I don't understand that the whole timeline for
Speaker 1: her here. So she dated this guy for six I
Speaker 1: think that's the material. I think she's saying this closure
Speaker 1: really helped her move on, And she's saying, what about you, guys,
Speaker 1: have you ever been at a similar experienced damn im material.
Speaker 1: That's a great word. Uh, that's she's not really looking
Speaker 1: for advice. She's just kind of more enquiring about whether
Speaker 1: we've experienced something similar. I mean, it's a great question.
Speaker 1: One I think that I think we've talked about it
Speaker 1: in the past. Is my only issue, not issue, but like,
Speaker 1: closure is a very real thing, and I think we
Speaker 1: even might have talked about it as recent as last
Speaker 1: week or the week before it where we both experienced
Speaker 1: not having full the full closure that we wanted. Right,
Speaker 1: is it a real thing? Is closure or real thing?
Speaker 1: Or is it just time heals old wounds? No? I
Speaker 1: think it's closure. Well, okay, so have you experienced getting closure,
Speaker 1: because I forget if we've ever talked about that. Maybe
Speaker 1: we haven't. Maybe I've just thought about it or something
Speaker 1: and I've misconstituted as an extual conversation. I mean I've
Speaker 1: experienced closure personally where uh and I'm not a name
Speaker 1: names here, but I dated someone for you know, a
Speaker 1: good amount of time whatever it might be, and that
Speaker 1: relationship came to a came to a head and ended.
Speaker 1: And I thought that by moving on to another relationship,
Speaker 1: I would get the closure that I needed and just
Speaker 1: close the door on that one, start the beginning of
Speaker 1: this relationship, move on and be happy with it. But
Speaker 1: while I was in that new relationship, I was still
Speaker 1: sometimes thinking about the old relationship, and it wasn't until
Speaker 1: that I was able to kind of readdress things with
Speaker 1: that relationship that I realized that this was the closure
Speaker 1: that I needed. I realized that it's not something that
Speaker 1: I want, and I was able to move forward from there.
Speaker 1: So I think, in my experience at least, closure is
Speaker 1: a real thing where I had to go back and
Speaker 1: confirm for myself that it wasn't what it was. Was
Speaker 1: it whether it was something for me something not for me.
Speaker 1: But I wouldn't be able to really be happy with
Speaker 1: a new relationship until I went back and decided and
Speaker 1: figured out what that was, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Uh No, that's a good point. Uh So, is there
Speaker 1: anybody now that you would want to talk to you
Speaker 1: for closure? Do you feel like you're good? I think,
Speaker 1: honestly that I think that. Thank you for asking that question.
Speaker 1: I think one of the big reasons why I've been
Speaker 1: able to kind of come into my own as someone
Speaker 1: that's comfortable being in a relationship now is because I
Speaker 1: have the closure through and through and all my past relationships.
Speaker 1: And I think that maybe like part of the reason
Speaker 1: why it was never really that great at dating before
Speaker 1: was because I was always kind of holding onto something
Speaker 1: else in my past. But now I'm not that way,
Speaker 1: and so I'm able to fully dive into this relationship
Speaker 1: that I'm in now. Uh, I think, and that's just
Speaker 1: that's maybe that's my armchair diagnosis of myself enclosure. You
Speaker 1: know what about you? Yeah, I know. I mean there's
Speaker 1: nobody that I'd reach out to. I would say that
Speaker 1: definitely lack of closure has hindered relationships for me in
Speaker 1: the past. There was one specific relationship where I never
Speaker 1: got like it never felt like it was over, and
Speaker 1: that definitely hindered other relationships. I remember I started dating
Speaker 1: somebody else while I was still hung up on my AX,
Speaker 1: and I broke it up with her telling her that
Speaker 1: I just wasn't over my ex. And uh, and so
Speaker 1: I think I I was similar to you. I've gotten
Speaker 1: closure since hand. That has really helped, because we kind
Speaker 1: of revisited the relationship and then I think we both
Speaker 1: realized that we grew apart and became, you know, very
Speaker 1: different people than we were when we dated. And so
Speaker 1: I think, uh, yeah, I do think closure is a
Speaker 1: real thing, But I also do believe in that time
Speaker 1: heals all wounds, you know, because sometimes you don't get
Speaker 1: the closure you want, but then you move on and
Speaker 1: you find somebody that you want to be with, and
Speaker 1: then as time progresses, you just start separating yourself, uh
Speaker 1: from that old relationship and the part of your heart
Speaker 1: that was attached to it, you know, kind of grow
Speaker 1: smaller and smaller. Um. But no, I don't think there's
Speaker 1: anybody I would I would reach out to now, obviously,
Speaker 1: But you think closure is a real thing. I do
Speaker 1: think it is a real thing, but I don't think
Speaker 1: you get it in every relationship. And I also would
Speaker 1: say that just because you don't have it doesn't mean
Speaker 1: that you can't move on. I like tentatively disagree with you.
Speaker 1: I think that it's hard to move on without ever
Speaker 1: getting that closure fully. But I do agree that maybe
Speaker 1: there's like varying degrees of closure. Maybe there's like different
Speaker 1: like different parts of a relationship that you need closure
Speaker 1: from that you don't necessarily need closure from to move
Speaker 1: on to the next one. I think there might be
Speaker 1: like different parts, different avenues of closure that you could
Speaker 1: be seeking that doesn't necessarily play into your next relationship.
Speaker 1: And I guess it depends on the intensity of the relationship,
Speaker 1: because if it's like a fling, I guess maybe I'm
Speaker 1: thinking more of like relationships in the past that haven't
Speaker 1: lasted that long. So maybe I didn't need as much
Speaker 1: closure as I did need with the relationship that lasted
Speaker 1: four years. So I guess it really depends on the relationship.
Speaker 1: That would be my guess. Yeah, and I guess when
Speaker 1: I think about closure, I think about them being like, uh,
Speaker 1: long term relationship. Yeah, that's a good point. All right,
Speaker 1: let me read these last two and then we'll get
Speaker 1: the hell out of here. Mark, thanks so much for
Speaker 1: the cameo. I really appreciate it. You wonder wonderful menu. Uh. Alright, So,
Speaker 1: as I was reading before in the intro of the podcast,
Speaker 1: eight facts about dating people with commitment issues, as written
Speaker 1: by a woman who has them, and then I wanted
Speaker 1: to get Dean's perspective because he's been very open about
Speaker 1: his commitment commitment issues just like I have. But I
Speaker 1: do feel that Dean, um, you know, my uh was
Speaker 1: a little bit worse with commitment issues. My wife just
Speaker 1: walked in and says that I don't have any commitment issues. Well,
Speaker 1: I don't have any commitment issues. With you, but I've
Speaker 1: had commitment issues in the past. Yeah, well you know,
Speaker 1: I told you I'm like the Wizard of Oz. I
Speaker 1: put on this facade and then behind the curtain, I'm
Speaker 1: just a complete hot mess. I never want to think
Speaker 1: of you as somebody who would be like, I'm too
Speaker 1: scared to make her my girl. I don't know. I
Speaker 1: don't know either, Okay, I guess somewhere in between. Well,
Speaker 1: we're recording I love you buy Okay, that's what happens
Speaker 1: when we have to record virtually at home during this time,
Speaker 1: your wife just walks in and starts talking to you. Okay.
Speaker 1: Number seven again, Dean, agree or disagree. If you want
Speaker 1: to keep someone with commitment issues, let them be free.
Speaker 1: Someone once told me that some people are like jets
Speaker 1: and others are like airports. Jets have to have freedom
Speaker 1: in order to do what they do best, and airports
Speaker 1: need to be grounded and secure. And the only way
Speaker 1: the two can work together is if the airport doesn't
Speaker 1: try to keep the jet out of the skies, and
Speaker 1: the jet make sure the airport knows it's coming back.
Speaker 1: If you want your partner with commitment issues to find
Speaker 1: a home in you give them the space to fly.
Speaker 1: See that's a good advice. Uh, I don't really how
Speaker 1: much to add that was. That was a very nice
Speaker 1: analogy that they use with the airports and the jets.
Speaker 1: I think one of the reasons that Calm and I
Speaker 1: are able to work so well together is because she
Speaker 1: knows that I'm an yet and I sometimes need to fly,
Speaker 1: and she gives me that ability to fly as often
Speaker 1: as I want to and need to. And she gives
Speaker 1: you that runway to land any time you need. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's a wonderful, wonderful human being. Whereas maybe in past
Speaker 1: relationships I felt a little bit more like I was
Speaker 1: trying to be grounded more than I had wanted to be,
Speaker 1: as she's just Jared's compeating everything right now. It's not
Speaker 1: coming here video, Okay, we're only working, We're only working.
Speaker 1: It's all like Jared's coming into you while you record
Speaker 1: one your podcast and menage things. I would be she
Speaker 1: would give me such an evil eye if I tried
Speaker 1: to walk in the room. What a double standard? How
Speaker 1: how freaking believable? Not to mention I have to record
Speaker 1: in her glam room? Do you believe that I have
Speaker 1: a I have a painting of a pig with some
Speaker 1: sort of flowers on top of her on its head.
Speaker 1: Why don't you record from the man cave? It's not
Speaker 1: as good as WiFi, plus the lightings better in this room.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. Um. I do love that analogy though,
Speaker 1: between the jet and the airport. I think that's pretty cool.
Speaker 1: But my only question for someone out there who's listening
Speaker 1: to this right now, who's trying to be with someone
Speaker 1: with commitment issues, should they not press should they just
Speaker 1: let them be free? Because it doesn't that that's scary,
Speaker 1: I think. Uh. I can only speak for my experience
Speaker 1: and with Kaylin and I I think it's been a
Speaker 1: very clear from the beginning that I'm someone that likes
Speaker 1: to kind of go out for a little bit and
Speaker 1: then and then fly back in, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So it's like, as long as that precedent and expectation
Speaker 1: is set, I think that it can lead to two
Speaker 1: good things. It's it's different if it's like you promise
Speaker 1: and say you're going to be this person like an airport,
Speaker 1: and then after a year you want to be a
Speaker 1: jet for a little bit, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So as long as there's maybe consistency, and there's an
Speaker 1: understanding about what's going to happen. I think that's the
Speaker 1: most important thing. I agree with you. I think it's
Speaker 1: a very healthy relationship if you're able to do this,
Speaker 1: uh you know, have one person be a jet and
Speaker 1: the other person to be an airpor Having said that,
Speaker 1: I feel like it's a lot easier said than done.
Speaker 1: Number eight last one. If someone with a fear of
Speaker 1: commitment asks you for a commitment, it means they're a gonner.
Speaker 1: We've fallen under your spell, we've found a reason to change,
Speaker 1: and we're done for, possibly for the long haul. This
Speaker 1: is not a drill lock that thing down post haste.
Speaker 1: If someone with a fear of commitment asked you for
Speaker 1: a commitment, it means they're a goner. Like they're done for,
Speaker 1: they're done in. You did it too, You're the reason.
Speaker 1: That's That's how I'm interpreting it. I don't know that
Speaker 1: makes sense. Well, there we go, So like Calin, I
Speaker 1: feel like that's Kalin for you. Sure, that's so sweet?
Speaker 1: I guess yeah, I like it. Let you want to
Speaker 1: know I think that I think that's really sweet. So
Speaker 1: we can end the podcast on on very sweet note
Speaker 1: that you know and now Dean, who you know, has
Speaker 1: admitted to having him issues in the past, just like
Speaker 1: we all have. Uh, he's a little bit more public now. Uh.
Speaker 1: He he wants to commit. He's the one asking Kitlin
Speaker 1: to commit to him, which means he's a goner, which
Speaker 1: means he's he's circumbed, he's landed for right now. I suppose.
Speaker 1: I suppose. So it's a weird world we live in,
Speaker 1: and it only gets weirder every single day, and it's
Speaker 1: going to be a little bit weirder next week when
Speaker 1: you guys tune in to help I Suck at Dating,
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