WEBVTT - A Conversation with Jets DL Coach Aaron Whitecotton (7/19) 0:00:03.880 --> 0:00:06.280 We were presented by went Beat Betty as a team sport, 0:00:06.320 --> 0:00:09.159 but together it went beat. Eric Allen here in the 0:00:09.160 --> 0:00:12.600 studio at one Jets Dride, joined by Jets the puntil 0:00:12.640 --> 0:00:17.159 line coach Aaron White Cotton. You're two for you and 0:00:17.200 --> 0:00:20.600 the coaching staff. What's different out there this brain Um, 0:00:20.800 --> 0:00:23.400 we'll starting with a bass now, you know. For the 0:00:23.400 --> 0:00:25.120 most part, We've got some new faces here and there, 0:00:25.120 --> 0:00:28.440 But for the most part, guys, I'm using vocabulary, I'm 0:00:28.520 --> 0:00:32.520 using terms, I'm using techniques, and guys, it clicks quicker. 0:00:32.520 --> 0:00:34.040 It's like, this is what he means. And then there's 0:00:34.040 --> 0:00:36.960 some carry over to Eric, like the guys who've been 0:00:36.960 --> 0:00:38.959 there can put their arm around the guys who are 0:00:39.000 --> 0:00:40.920 brand new to like, hey, this is what he means, 0:00:40.960 --> 0:00:43.240 you know, or like, hey, don't listen to the tone, 0:00:43.320 --> 0:00:45.120 this is what he means, you know. So it's it's 0:00:45.120 --> 0:00:48.519 been really nice to kind of feel like, um, you're 0:00:48.560 --> 0:00:51.800 not starting over some scratch, You're not um beginning a 0:00:51.840 --> 0:00:54.640 whole new scheme again. It's it's now we're able to 0:00:54.640 --> 0:00:56.800 build on that kind of stuff and get a little 0:00:56.800 --> 0:00:59.319 bit more to the next level, the three oh one 0:00:59.360 --> 0:01:02.160 to five O one level. How difficult? Is it for 0:01:02.200 --> 0:01:04.880 the big guys, the guys that you're coaching up here 0:01:05.440 --> 0:01:08.640 during the spring, when you're out there without pads and 0:01:08.680 --> 0:01:14.240 you're not doing any team run activities. I'm sure to 0:01:14.280 --> 0:01:16.320 a certain extent they like that because they're not getting 0:01:16.319 --> 0:01:20.160 beat up. UM. So what what we've tried to really do, 0:01:20.319 --> 0:01:24.240 Eric is make it make it um like a positive 0:01:24.360 --> 0:01:26.520 and that we get so much extra work on our 0:01:26.560 --> 0:01:29.160 own that we can get farther ahead, that we have 0:01:29.800 --> 0:01:31.959 even more time to drill work and be like really 0:01:31.959 --> 0:01:34.960 really detailed with the stuff that maybe gets lost in 0:01:35.000 --> 0:01:38.880 translation when you're watching thirty team plays, that you know 0:01:39.080 --> 0:01:42.080 the guys at all levels of the roster are able 0:01:42.120 --> 0:01:45.640 to get really really detailed individual coaching. I think that's 0:01:45.720 --> 0:01:48.000 really is what's gonna help. And and the positive side 0:01:48.000 --> 0:01:49.720 of it too is I got a group of guys 0:01:49.760 --> 0:01:52.600 that works really hard and gets after it. So we 0:01:52.720 --> 0:01:55.640 do some conditioning on our own, like real live UM 0:01:55.680 --> 0:01:58.480 play type conditioning, and they take to it. They're not 0:01:58.560 --> 0:02:00.800 they're not shying away from it. Um. We have really 0:02:00.840 --> 0:02:02.880 good attendance and it's been it's been really fun to 0:02:02.880 --> 0:02:05.600 watch Moork. What are you stressing? What do you emphasizing 0:02:05.640 --> 0:02:09.359 in terms of technique here out break, the same thing 0:02:09.560 --> 0:02:13.920 that will stress whenever we get to game one of 0:02:14.000 --> 0:02:16.960 the preseason, Game two of the preseason. Violence and effort. 0:02:17.480 --> 0:02:20.520 Just those two things will never ever ever change for us. 0:02:20.639 --> 0:02:23.519 Violence and effort. Violence and effort. Now, the technique part 0:02:23.560 --> 0:02:26.840 of it, like this, this hand placement here, this step, 0:02:26.919 --> 0:02:29.960 this footwork, that stuff that that stuff is all nuanced 0:02:30.200 --> 0:02:32.519 things that you add into the game that you're talking about, 0:02:33.040 --> 0:02:36.600 But at when you're down in those in that area 0:02:36.760 --> 0:02:39.120 and the trenches down there, some of that stuff kind 0:02:39.120 --> 0:02:41.480 of goes out the window, especially if you play with 0:02:41.560 --> 0:02:44.880 violence and effort. What changes for young guys when they 0:02:44.919 --> 0:02:49.240 step onto an NFL field. I've heard from multiple coaches 0:02:50.360 --> 0:02:53.919 when you're talking about pass rush that yes, you can 0:02:53.960 --> 0:02:56.840 beat guys in college maybe with one move, but it 0:02:56.880 --> 0:03:01.760 really doesn't begin in the NFL until you develop those owners. Yeah, 0:03:01.840 --> 0:03:05.560 I think the biggest thing, Eric is um one conversation 0:03:05.600 --> 0:03:09.440 I have with all new guys that are coming from colleges, Like, 0:03:10.800 --> 0:03:13.320 you were probably the man at basketball at your school 0:03:13.720 --> 0:03:17.120 and baseball and track and football. You were all state 0:03:17.400 --> 0:03:18.880 and you were five star, and you were this, and 0:03:18.960 --> 0:03:21.720 you were that. But guess what everybody else in here 0:03:21.800 --> 0:03:24.240 was too, and so was that offensive tackle. You're going again, 0:03:24.400 --> 0:03:26.720 So you ain't playing some bum who's going to work 0:03:26.720 --> 0:03:28.600 at Bank of America next week, like you're playing a 0:03:28.600 --> 0:03:30.680 real dude who does this for a living, trying to 0:03:30.680 --> 0:03:33.119 feed his family. So you better have your a game, 0:03:33.440 --> 0:03:36.119 you know. And it's not like I'm the best guy. 0:03:36.240 --> 0:03:38.480 Just show up and beat everybody. And that's what gets 0:03:38.480 --> 0:03:40.440 a lot of young guys in trouble. And and luckily 0:03:40.480 --> 0:03:43.080 the two young young men that we've added through the draft, 0:03:43.120 --> 0:03:46.080 they've taken right to that and they understand, like, this 0:03:46.160 --> 0:03:48.600 is not a game. Like like I said, that's another 0:03:48.640 --> 0:03:51.320 grown man across from you who's got a wife and kids, 0:03:51.520 --> 0:03:53.880 and if you beat him, they don't eat. That's that's real. 0:03:54.200 --> 0:03:56.720 That's that's real competition. Should we start with some of 0:03:56.720 --> 0:04:00.640 the free agent editions? Solomon Thomas, Were you with fran Francisco? 0:04:00.920 --> 0:04:04.040 Right with him? It's a former top five pick? What 0:04:04.080 --> 0:04:08.119 do you know about so I know that, Um, there 0:04:08.280 --> 0:04:12.280 is not another guy that you can talk about with effort. 0:04:12.680 --> 0:04:15.400 This He elevates everybody around him because the way he 0:04:15.440 --> 0:04:19.520 plays the game, his intellect, he knows the game very well. 0:04:19.880 --> 0:04:23.200 The guy plays ument about violence and effort. He plays 0:04:23.200 --> 0:04:26.440 with violence and effort, and and that shows throughout, Like 0:04:26.480 --> 0:04:29.400 you see that Solomon is not a like really huge guy. 0:04:29.440 --> 0:04:32.119 He's not a three plus pound guy. But he plays 0:04:32.160 --> 0:04:34.280 down in there in the A and the B gap 0:04:34.960 --> 0:04:37.240 with those guys because of the way he attacks, in 0:04:37.279 --> 0:04:39.240 the way that he plays the game, and on top 0:04:39.279 --> 0:04:42.200 of all that is at all those things and the 0:04:42.279 --> 0:04:45.160 other his talent, what he brings to the room, and 0:04:45.279 --> 0:04:48.360 the way that he approaches and plays the game. There's 0:04:48.400 --> 0:04:51.240 not another guy that you could say, like I'd like 0:04:51.279 --> 0:04:52.799 for this guy to take my daughter to the prom, 0:04:52.960 --> 0:04:54.960 like that's the kind of man that he is. So 0:04:55.040 --> 0:04:57.480 having that, like Sally is just like the complete package 0:04:57.480 --> 0:05:00.760 for us, this scheme familiarity, how he is that awesome. 0:05:00.880 --> 0:05:04.280 That's awesome. We're watching stuff right now. Eric, we'll we'll 0:05:04.320 --> 0:05:06.760 go in there and watch some tape and Sally's on 0:05:06.839 --> 0:05:09.080 it from two thousand, nineteen or two thousand twenties, some 0:05:09.080 --> 0:05:11.000 stuff that I pulled from nineteen, stuff I pulled from 0:05:11.000 --> 0:05:14.119 twenty whatever, stuff I pull from him in Vegas because 0:05:14.160 --> 0:05:17.440 he knows what's expected and he's been a part of it, 0:05:17.520 --> 0:05:19.800 and he knows and now for him and really Eric 0:05:19.920 --> 0:05:23.479 is just getting back into that vocabulary and some of 0:05:23.520 --> 0:05:26.720 the slight changes in techniques that he was that was 0:05:26.760 --> 0:05:29.040 different for him last year and and he's really hit 0:05:29.080 --> 0:05:30.880 the ground running with It's been awesome. What do you 0:05:30.880 --> 0:05:33.360 guys like about Jacob Martin. He's coming off a career 0:05:33.440 --> 0:05:36.960 year in Houston, UM, obviously coming to a new system 0:05:37.120 --> 0:05:41.480 right now. The explosion off that he flashes that, Yeah, 0:05:41.640 --> 0:05:44.120 I think that's the biggest thing is like we're attack, 0:05:44.400 --> 0:05:47.720 will always be attacked. Oh to Jim Washburn and Christka Surk, 0:05:47.800 --> 0:05:50.000 we will always be attacked. We will get off the rock. 0:05:50.480 --> 0:05:53.320 And I think like when you look at Jake, that's 0:05:53.320 --> 0:05:55.640 really what he does, that's he does a great job 0:05:55.640 --> 0:05:57.760 of that. So why not, Like it's a way for 0:05:57.880 --> 0:06:00.479 him to flourish. And I think he's really add about 0:06:00.480 --> 0:06:03.320 being here and we're excited to have him because those 0:06:03.640 --> 0:06:06.800 those explosive traits, like explosions the number one thing we're 0:06:06.800 --> 0:06:10.480 looking for and Jake's got it. Jermaine Johnson, what was 0:06:10.640 --> 0:06:13.680 Draft weekend like for you guys? You get Garrett Wilson 0:06:14.080 --> 0:06:16.760 at ten and before that was Sauce Gardner of course, 0:06:17.400 --> 0:06:19.799 and you might be sitting there as defensive line coach, 0:06:19.839 --> 0:06:24.880 but like, hey, Robert, Joe, Jermaine still on a board. 0:06:24.960 --> 0:06:27.800 What was draft night like? For it? Every year? It's 0:06:27.800 --> 0:06:30.600 stressful because in my opinion, we should take seven d 0:06:30.720 --> 0:06:33.480 linen every year. So I don't care about any other 0:06:33.480 --> 0:06:36.440 position I'm trying to. I have such conviction about a 0:06:36.440 --> 0:06:38.560 certain you know, one to three, four, five guys. We 0:06:38.680 --> 0:06:40.520 gotta have this guy. We gotta have this guy. Go 0:06:40.560 --> 0:06:42.440 get him, Go get him, go get him. And there 0:06:42.560 --> 0:06:46.000 you know those guys. That's why they're big picture of you, 0:06:46.120 --> 0:06:48.240 and I'm just very small picture of you because I'm 0:06:48.240 --> 0:06:50.239 miserable the whole time if we don't get every single 0:06:50.240 --> 0:06:53.320 guy that I love. And luckily, man, we came out 0:06:53.320 --> 0:06:56.760 with two that I absolutely love. And Um, I think 0:06:57.120 --> 0:07:00.120 for the organization, they're going to see why, you know, 0:07:00.520 --> 0:07:03.800 the fans, especially the organization, those who followed Jets football, 0:07:03.800 --> 0:07:07.920 why we really love these guys, Robert Salis said, in 0:07:08.040 --> 0:07:13.120 terms of fit, what you guys run wide nine and 0:07:13.160 --> 0:07:18.320 also just being um the most pro ready pass rusher. 0:07:18.760 --> 0:07:21.360 He was the top for you guys, the top of 0:07:21.400 --> 0:07:24.880 the board. Yeah, we just felt like Eric that Jermaine 0:07:25.240 --> 0:07:30.200 Um Jermaine has good pass rush instincts and pass rush hands, 0:07:30.240 --> 0:07:33.840 something that can be developed. But when when he shows that, 0:07:33.880 --> 0:07:36.520 he demonstrates out on his college tape before he gets there, 0:07:36.880 --> 0:07:39.280 it feels like you don't have as far to go. 0:07:39.880 --> 0:07:43.239 You know. Where you go, you find a guy who 0:07:43.400 --> 0:07:47.000 is strictly just winning off speed around the edge, versus 0:07:47.360 --> 0:07:50.200 versus um God bless him, tackles that aren't going to 0:07:50.280 --> 0:07:53.040 be NFL players. Well, then now you have to work 0:07:53.040 --> 0:07:55.920 at them and just really really fine tune those guys 0:07:55.920 --> 0:07:57.400 and teach them how to use their hands and teach 0:07:57.440 --> 0:07:59.320 them how to tie their hands and feet together. That's 0:07:59.320 --> 0:08:01.200 a whole different ball game, and that sets you back, 0:08:01.480 --> 0:08:03.520 not in a negative way, it's just takes more time. 0:08:03.880 --> 0:08:06.960 Whereas Germaine, we felt like, man, this guy already knows 0:08:06.960 --> 0:08:08.679 how to use his hands and pass rush. He already 0:08:08.680 --> 0:08:10.480 knows like his hands and feet are already kind of 0:08:10.480 --> 0:08:14.040 tied together. It makes it makes it easier for him 0:08:14.120 --> 0:08:17.720 to acclimate to the pass rush in the NFL, which 0:08:17.720 --> 0:08:19.920 is still hard. It's still really hard and still gonna 0:08:19.920 --> 0:08:21.560 be tough for him. It's to be tough for everybody 0:08:21.560 --> 0:08:23.880 who's a rookie this year to rush the pastor at 0:08:23.880 --> 0:08:26.480 an effective rate. But he's got a chance to make 0:08:26.800 --> 0:08:30.840 strides quicker. So he's got the physical skill set. UM, 0:08:30.880 --> 0:08:32.599 and you'll like what you saw on tape. He was 0:08:32.679 --> 0:08:35.240 dominant in Florida State. He did some good things that Georgia. 0:08:35.280 --> 0:08:38.080 He just wanted more of an opportunity and everything checked out. 0:08:38.160 --> 0:08:42.640 But with all that being said, what was so important? 0:08:43.120 --> 0:08:45.240 What was clicking on that visit? He made a pro 0:08:45.320 --> 0:08:47.800 day visit here, He visited thirty teams. He said this 0:08:47.880 --> 0:08:50.480 by far was his best visit. I don't know, you 0:08:50.520 --> 0:08:52.360 just have to ask him. I thought it. I thought 0:08:52.360 --> 0:08:56.000 it went good. You know, we um. I'm a straight shooter, 0:08:56.880 --> 0:08:58.319 you know. And it's just like, hey, Germaine, this is 0:08:58.320 --> 0:09:00.160 what we're gonna do. This is how we're gonna roll all. 0:09:00.200 --> 0:09:02.600 We think you fit perfectly in this. Can you do this, this, this, 0:09:02.640 --> 0:09:05.000 and this? He set yup and it was good and 0:09:05.040 --> 0:09:06.960 we're good and we got along and there was good, 0:09:07.160 --> 0:09:10.360 good communication and good um, a good vibe. I think 0:09:10.440 --> 0:09:12.960 I spoke the language that that he is down for 0:09:13.120 --> 0:09:16.280 the way we like to play, UM. And if I 0:09:16.400 --> 0:09:18.160 was coming out, I would want to play on our 0:09:18.240 --> 0:09:22.600 front too. But that's just me personally, um, and I'm biased, 0:09:22.840 --> 0:09:24.880 So I think between all that stuff, I think it 0:09:25.000 --> 0:09:27.120 just it was a good visit. And and add into 0:09:27.240 --> 0:09:30.720 like all the support staff, how they make everything so 0:09:31.559 --> 0:09:35.559 smooth for those guys, the operations staff, everyone, and travel. 0:09:35.679 --> 0:09:38.040 Then that he goes and meets with coach Um, then 0:09:38.080 --> 0:09:39.840 he meets with Brick, and then he meets with you know, 0:09:39.880 --> 0:09:41.680 and so all those things. I think if you have 0:09:42.040 --> 0:09:43.959 two or three bad experiences out of some of that, 0:09:44.320 --> 0:09:47.400 then it don't matter what what I have to do. Plus, 0:09:47.400 --> 0:09:49.400 you don't really get a choice anyways. If we want him, 0:09:49.440 --> 0:09:53.160 he's coming here. But all that being said, him having 0:09:53.160 --> 0:09:55.560 good vibes about us and us having good vibes about 0:09:55.600 --> 0:09:58.920 him made it made an easy choice. How about Michael Clemens, 0:09:58.960 --> 0:10:03.480 He really flourished that past year a Texas his final year. 0:10:04.000 --> 0:10:08.120 Violent dude, big dude, what do you like about violent? 0:10:08.600 --> 0:10:11.439 That's it? Man, Like, that's my kind of guy. Um, Mike. 0:10:12.400 --> 0:10:15.520 Mike goes in there every every down, and like there's 0:10:15.520 --> 0:10:17.080 times in walk Through it's like, hey, do you gotta 0:10:17.120 --> 0:10:19.600 chill out? You know, like walk through And that's I 0:10:19.679 --> 0:10:21.400 love that. It's better to pull him back, you know, 0:10:21.440 --> 0:10:24.600 than have to tell him to get you up. So, Um, 0:10:24.640 --> 0:10:26.720 the violence that he plays with, the mentality that he 0:10:26.720 --> 0:10:30.560 plays with, matches perfectly to our front and our scheme. 0:10:30.920 --> 0:10:32.840 That that's what really drew me to Mike. On top 0:10:32.880 --> 0:10:36.880 of his physical abilities, Um, his intensity to learn the game, 0:10:36.920 --> 0:10:41.240 all that stuff is is there. But the violence that 0:10:41.400 --> 0:10:44.560 I'm all about, that what makes Carl Losson unique. I 0:10:44.679 --> 0:10:48.320 tell everybody who was I wanted to know anything about 0:10:48.360 --> 0:10:50.160 the Jets last year out of your training camp, he 0:10:50.559 --> 0:10:52.760 by far the best player on the field. But from 0:10:52.840 --> 0:10:55.680 your perspective, a guy who's teaching him in the room, 0:10:56.360 --> 0:10:59.760 he even for a professional, he seems to me like 0:10:59.800 --> 0:11:03.120 he got a unique approach. Oh yeah, for sure, I 0:11:03.120 --> 0:11:06.480 would say the number one thing. He is so internally 0:11:06.559 --> 0:11:10.240 driven to get the most out of his body, his 0:11:10.360 --> 0:11:13.199 skill set, whatever God has blessed him with. He is 0:11:13.240 --> 0:11:17.440 so internally driven to get all that. It's constant information grab. 0:11:17.760 --> 0:11:19.960 He's looking all over the league trying to find something. 0:11:19.960 --> 0:11:21.720 Then when he gets on the field he demonstrates it. 0:11:22.080 --> 0:11:25.920 And and Carl is so unique in that way of 0:11:26.280 --> 0:11:28.199 just his drive and his passion for the game, his 0:11:28.280 --> 0:11:31.360 passion to grow and and still be processed oriented with 0:11:31.400 --> 0:11:34.720 it like if Carl doesn't get something right away, it's 0:11:34.760 --> 0:11:36.320 not like he just throws in the trash and moves on. 0:11:36.520 --> 0:11:38.400 Like he keeps working and keeps working and keeps working 0:11:38.400 --> 0:11:40.040 at it. But he keeps working at it a hundred 0:11:40.040 --> 0:11:42.600 miles an hour, which, gosh, you can't ask for another 0:11:42.640 --> 0:11:44.720 guy like that. You know. I'll get text from him 0:11:44.760 --> 0:11:46.840 randomly about stuff like hey, what do you think about this? 0:11:47.280 --> 0:11:49.880 And he's just he's the wheels are always turning, and 0:11:49.880 --> 0:11:52.640 he's always thinking about ball and and it's a it's 0:11:52.679 --> 0:11:54.520 a dream come true for me. How can you change 0:11:54.520 --> 0:12:00.840 the dynamic upfront? Who Carl um? I? I think so 0:12:00.960 --> 0:12:02.920 when the number one thing is I think you could 0:12:02.920 --> 0:12:05.800 feel the last year in training camp, Carl elevates people 0:12:05.880 --> 0:12:09.280 on the field around him because of the way that 0:12:09.320 --> 0:12:11.960 he practices, in the way that he plays. I think, 0:12:12.080 --> 0:12:14.400 you know, we have a group that plays like that, 0:12:14.559 --> 0:12:16.520 and then we adding more pieces to it and more 0:12:16.559 --> 0:12:19.600 pieces to it, like Carl coming back that guys see like, 0:12:19.679 --> 0:12:21.719 oh my gosh, like this is the way to approach it. 0:12:22.040 --> 0:12:24.760 I think it's only gonna like it's gonna it's gonna 0:12:24.800 --> 0:12:27.720 force guys to grow with that. It's gonna force guys 0:12:27.760 --> 0:12:30.160 to match that intensity or they get left behind. And 0:12:30.200 --> 0:12:33.439 that's really what this. You know, when coach Wash started 0:12:33.480 --> 0:12:36.840 this years ago, it started on that competitive, nasty mentality 0:12:36.840 --> 0:12:39.719 where everybody's pushing one another towards the common goal of 0:12:39.800 --> 0:12:42.800 Super Bowl. And Carl is like the perfect example of 0:12:42.800 --> 0:12:45.560 that of a guy. 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If you're someone you 0:13:25.080 --> 0:13:27.480 know has a gambling problem called one seven zero seven 0:13:27.520 --> 0:13:30.200 one one seven, how much do you guys stress coming 0:13:30.240 --> 0:13:34.559 at people in waves, because Robert's been asked a number 0:13:34.559 --> 0:13:37.120 of times of how many reps or how many snaps 0:13:37.160 --> 0:13:39.840 they quinning and having this game or a few other guys, 0:13:40.000 --> 0:13:43.400 and it will automakele say that, Hey, listen, we want 0:13:43.840 --> 0:13:47.000 guys when they're in there to go a hundred miles. 0:13:47.920 --> 0:13:53.360 Yeah that you can play fifty five plays a game 0:13:53.400 --> 0:13:56.559 in this front, but you can't run to the ball, 0:13:56.880 --> 0:13:58.480 sprint to the ball. I'm not two run. I'm telling 0:13:58.480 --> 0:14:01.800 about sprint wide open. You saying bolt, get your butt 0:14:01.840 --> 0:14:03.920 down the field and go touch the ball carrier. You 0:14:03.960 --> 0:14:07.280 can't do that fifty times in a game. After Now, 0:14:07.360 --> 0:14:10.240 let's let's rewind this. I'm talking about running fifty yards 0:14:10.280 --> 0:14:13.560 to the ball and touch the ball carrier down tackle, 0:14:13.679 --> 0:14:16.120 come in there with a nasty finish after you just 0:14:16.160 --> 0:14:19.200 set an edge on a three pound man fifty times 0:14:19.200 --> 0:14:22.640 in the game. You you're you're We've done studies of 0:14:22.680 --> 0:14:26.280 this over and over and over. It's like diminishing returns. 0:14:26.360 --> 0:14:28.360 So what we try to do Eric is we just 0:14:28.400 --> 0:14:30.760 try to keep throwing guys at waves, throwing them in waves, 0:14:30.760 --> 0:14:32.840 throwing them in waves, throwing them waves. And the reason 0:14:32.880 --> 0:14:35.360 for that is when we get to the critical moments 0:14:35.360 --> 0:14:37.600 of the game, it's third and eight from the eight 0:14:37.720 --> 0:14:39.480 and we gotta get a stop in the red zone, 0:14:39.720 --> 0:14:42.480 Quinnin should be fresh. So I'm like, go Quinnin, it's 0:14:42.520 --> 0:14:44.680 your time to shine. You know, we have to have 0:14:44.840 --> 0:14:48.400 him ready for that moment because if we give if 0:14:48.440 --> 0:14:52.000 we give up four yards on first down at the 0:14:52.040 --> 0:14:55.080 minus twenty, all right, we'll be okay with that. But 0:14:55.120 --> 0:14:56.760 if we don't have third and eight from the eight 0:14:56.800 --> 0:14:58.760 are best rushers in there to go finish the game, 0:14:59.200 --> 0:15:02.840 then then we're kidding ourselves. So we need to have 0:15:02.960 --> 0:15:06.440 that a little bit of um rotational value. And and 0:15:06.480 --> 0:15:08.800 that's where I said, like, we gotta have eight starters, 0:15:09.400 --> 0:15:11.240 And that's where I'm going with I think we should 0:15:11.280 --> 0:15:13.600 draft seven d lineman every every year. We gotta have 0:15:13.640 --> 0:15:16.040 eight starters. So I'm counting on guys when when we 0:15:16.160 --> 0:15:19.160 draft a guy John Marshall in the sixth round, we 0:15:19.240 --> 0:15:21.320 drafted guy Michael Comes in the fourth Like I'm looking 0:15:21.360 --> 0:15:23.600 at this guy, like this guy's playing in games a 0:15:23.640 --> 0:15:26.720 significant amount. He's not the third string quarterback. This dude 0:15:26.760 --> 0:15:29.960 is playing, so he has to meet these expectations. And 0:15:30.000 --> 0:15:32.280 he's got a rise to that, to that occasion when 0:15:32.280 --> 0:15:35.040 he gets that opportunity to play, because he's gonna get 0:15:35.040 --> 0:15:38.720 significant staffs and if those significant snap stink ain't gonna 0:15:38.720 --> 0:15:41.320 be around very long. So it's a way for us 0:15:41.800 --> 0:15:46.040 to keep keep everybody fresh, keep everybody at their best. 0:15:46.360 --> 0:15:48.880 But also to that requires good players that we have 0:15:48.960 --> 0:15:51.320 on our team to be able to do that. Yeah, 0:15:51.360 --> 0:15:54.480 one of those good players I think that we've probably 0:15:54.520 --> 0:15:58.880 overlooked here this offseason, not you guys here internally is 0:15:59.160 --> 0:16:04.280 John Franklin. How big is his versatility and with the 0:16:04.320 --> 0:16:09.000 additions that you guys have made this offseason, how maybe 0:16:09.040 --> 0:16:12.800 even more effective can he be? You know what, He's 0:16:12.840 --> 0:16:15.600 got to be more effective? All right, There's just there's 0:16:15.600 --> 0:16:16.920 no two ways about it. And he would tell you 0:16:16.920 --> 0:16:18.800 the same thing. He's got to be more effective. Thought 0:16:18.920 --> 0:16:22.000 a good solid year last year, did some good things, 0:16:22.520 --> 0:16:24.440 but he's got he's got even more. We've gotta get 0:16:24.480 --> 0:16:26.680 more out of him, and I think um having more 0:16:26.720 --> 0:16:29.160 parts and pieces around him. I'll give you an example, 0:16:29.200 --> 0:16:32.440 there was a game where we had COVID issues, we 0:16:32.480 --> 0:16:35.680 had injuries, we had some stuff going on, and John 0:16:35.720 --> 0:16:38.920 played like fifties fifty four plays or fifty five plays. Well, 0:16:38.960 --> 0:16:41.800 there was a stretch of about seven eight nine plays 0:16:41.800 --> 0:16:45.400 in there. He was absolutely gassed, had played too much 0:16:45.440 --> 0:16:48.280 and he wasn't as effective. Well, shoot, that's on me 0:16:48.360 --> 0:16:51.240 to rotate better. That's on us to take care of 0:16:51.480 --> 0:16:52.960 the stuff that we got to take care of off 0:16:52.960 --> 0:16:55.200 the field. And then so that when he's in there 0:16:55.240 --> 0:16:57.520 in those forty plays, those thirty five plays, whatever it is, 0:16:57.720 --> 0:16:59.200 that we're getting more out of him. So now he 0:16:59.240 --> 0:17:01.360 can put him inside to rush, he can play outside 0:17:01.360 --> 0:17:03.280 on first and second. Now we can do some different 0:17:03.280 --> 0:17:05.840 things with John because of that versatility. I think it's 0:17:05.840 --> 0:17:09.959 gonna be great and and and he has respond to 0:17:10.000 --> 0:17:14.040 that all offseason. His attitude is fantastic. Um, and I'm 0:17:14.040 --> 0:17:16.679 excited to see how he grows. What's Quinn and Williams 0:17:16.920 --> 0:17:21.480 next step. One of the most talented young defensive interior 0:17:21.520 --> 0:17:23.640 players in the National Football League, But what is next 0:17:23.640 --> 0:17:28.520 for him? Um? You know, Eric, I'm not the one 0:17:28.600 --> 0:17:31.720 to put numbers on people or put He's got to 0:17:31.720 --> 0:17:34.480 do this to be this Quinny just has to be 0:17:34.560 --> 0:17:38.520 the best version of himself and um and I think 0:17:39.480 --> 0:17:41.639 we're we're starting to see more and more of that 0:17:41.720 --> 0:17:46.680 every day. He is. Definitely his internal motivation continues to grow. 0:17:46.880 --> 0:17:50.400 He's always been internally motivated, and we're seeing that from him. 0:17:50.400 --> 0:17:52.159 We're seeing a little bit more step up from him 0:17:52.480 --> 0:17:55.040 vocally in the room, all that sort of stuff. And 0:17:55.080 --> 0:17:57.760 it's year four now, Okay, now it's starting to come 0:17:57.800 --> 0:18:01.960 together even more. He's healthy, which has been able to 0:18:02.040 --> 0:18:04.880 kick start him in this offseason. He's got he's got 0:18:04.880 --> 0:18:06.199 to grow and he's got to get better. It's my 0:18:06.280 --> 0:18:09.520 job to help him, and he's embraced every opportunity to 0:18:09.560 --> 0:18:12.320 get better this offseason. How much you can it reinforce 0:18:12.400 --> 0:18:16.199 back in and help you guys up front because you 0:18:16.280 --> 0:18:19.800 got those additions at the cornerback positions. Safety said a 0:18:19.960 --> 0:18:23.359 makeover as well. And I always talk about, hey, not 0:18:23.520 --> 0:18:26.160 only front line players, are you guys getting better, but 0:18:26.359 --> 0:18:28.760 the depth is getting better at all these spots. Yeah, 0:18:28.800 --> 0:18:31.879 you know, I'll let those coaches and Brick and Slid 0:18:31.920 --> 0:18:35.320 talk about each individual piece. I just see some really 0:18:35.320 --> 0:18:38.040 good football players that have got added to this group. 0:18:38.520 --> 0:18:40.960 And hey, they buy us an extra hitch. It's our 0:18:40.960 --> 0:18:43.639 responsibility to get there. And that's what those guys can 0:18:43.680 --> 0:18:46.680 do because they're good football players being coached by good coaches, 0:18:47.040 --> 0:18:49.240 and they get that quarterback to hitch and hitch and hitch. 0:18:49.400 --> 0:18:51.120 Now we got to do our job and put him down. 0:18:51.440 --> 0:18:54.480 You played college football at South Carolina right back in 0:18:54.680 --> 0:18:59.479 two thousands. No, this is Lou Holtz. Is what's your 0:18:59.480 --> 0:19:05.280 favorite story? Oh my gosh. Um, probably the best one, 0:19:05.680 --> 0:19:10.480 Eric is, Uh, we were playing Tennessee. I want to 0:19:10.480 --> 0:19:14.240 say it was my red shirt freshman year and like 0:19:14.320 --> 0:19:19.959 this is Tennessee, like Albert haines Worth, John Henderson, like dudes, Okay, 0:19:20.000 --> 0:19:24.280 and then and I I want to say, shoot, four 0:19:24.359 --> 0:19:28.240 or five years in a row, Carolina had not beaten Tennessee, 0:19:28.480 --> 0:19:30.320 all right, and it had been very one sided. This 0:19:30.359 --> 0:19:33.399 was phil former years. They were still they were still rolling, 0:19:33.840 --> 0:19:38.280 they were Blue Bluff. Yeah. So we're playing Tennessee and 0:19:38.320 --> 0:19:41.040 we and and this is like, you know, my first 0:19:41.119 --> 0:19:43.600 year was the year that we were able to go 0:19:43.600 --> 0:19:45.720 to the Outback Bowl and do some things where coach 0:19:45.760 --> 0:19:48.320 really started turning the program around. And we had gotten 0:19:48.359 --> 0:19:52.560 some momentum going into that game, and uh, felt good 0:19:52.600 --> 0:19:55.199 about like the places that we were going. So the 0:19:55.280 --> 0:19:58.359 day before the game, we're in the team meeting room 0:19:58.720 --> 0:20:01.120