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Speaker 1: What's up, guys. I'm Josh Paid. It's time for the

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Speaker 1: Late Kicks Show Owners Association. The lottery has been held,

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Speaker 1: the winning participants have been selected. We're going to waste

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Speaker 1: no time. We're diving right in. Thanks so much for joining.

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Speaker 1: Hope you enjoy.

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Speaker 2: All Right, We're gonna go over to Jared. He has

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Speaker 2: a question about an offensive revolution in college football.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, hey, Josh, So, looking past at the last season,

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Speaker 3: I think we saw probably some of the most explosive

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Speaker 3: football at Obama, out, Ohio, Stay, Clemson, I mean, you

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Speaker 3: name it. Top six seven teams loved stellar offensive revolutions

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Speaker 3: in full effect.

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Speaker 4: So there has to be.

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Speaker 3: An answer, right, There has to be a subsequent defensive

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Speaker 3: revolution to answer this cause otherwise we might be into

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Speaker 3: a lopsided game. You know, looking back at BCS era,

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Speaker 3: it was evident that it was a defensively dominated game.

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Speaker 3: And we had a national championship game that was twenty

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Speaker 3: one to nothing, and now it's fifty five to twenty four.

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Speaker 4: How does this balance?

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Speaker 1: Well, it doesn't in terms of that, Like if you're looking.

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Speaker 1: I was talking to someone last night actually on the

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Speaker 1: coaching side, and everyone wants to throw the word cyclical

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Speaker 1: they want to throw the word cyclical out there, and

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Speaker 1: it's kind of like a wing and a prayer. They're

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Speaker 1: kind of hoping that we returned to a sense of

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Speaker 1: normalcy as they would define it. But really some of

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Speaker 1: the sharper defensive minds, they've totally gotten away from ever

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Speaker 1: thinking that we're going back to, you know, twenty three

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Speaker 1: ten being the norm. But what they're all focused on is

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Speaker 1: like havoc great and different stats have different ways of

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Speaker 1: defining that. It's like quarterback pressures plus hurries plus forced fumbles.

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Speaker 1: It's like a little equation, like I have one for

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Speaker 1: our purposes. I don't necessarily do it the same way

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Speaker 1: that like Texas Tech does it, but they're focused on that.

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Speaker 1: They're focused on situational excellence, which largely needs red zone,

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Speaker 1: it used to be that you wanted a scheme and

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Speaker 1: about that guy's scheme. Well, Brent Vennables has kind of

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Speaker 1: different defense every week. Now it largely falls under the

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Speaker 1: structure of what he wants to run. But what he

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Speaker 1: other people are being forced to figure out how to

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Speaker 1: do is force an offense to beat your athletes instead

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Speaker 1: of beat your system, because your system is going to

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Speaker 1: get figured out pretty quick. All the rules are tilted

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Speaker 1: Saban and Alabama used to be the best. Florida hung

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Speaker 1: hung nearly fifty on them. So yeah, like you said,

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Speaker 1: those days are gone. But then also like you can

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Speaker 1: they want. They want guys who can be multiple scheme,

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Speaker 1: that's the next step to me, Like here's my question though,

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Speaker 1: So out of the people in the room right now,

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Speaker 1: for a long time, when we had those quote unquote

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Speaker 1: boring defensive games. I used to hear all the time

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Speaker 1: So like my question, because I was the opposite of

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Speaker 1: would rather watch a game that's fifty five to forty

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Speaker 1: now as to how do you make that pendulum come back.

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Speaker 1: From a defensive coordinator standpoint, I think it's just you

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Speaker 1: roll with the changes and then you evolve and you morph.

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Speaker 1: However you need to survive. It's not just thrive. It's

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Speaker 2: Now, nice, Okay, Next we'll go to Jays. He's got

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Speaker 2: a question about Mario crystal Ball and Oregon.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Hey, Josh, I know you've talked your fair share about

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Speaker 6: Maria Christwall and my Ducks, and just recently I've noticed

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Speaker 6: the typical like West pipelines early on in this twenty

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Speaker 6: so I just want to know, on a broader scale,

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Speaker 6: not just Oregon, how much of recruiting is really finding

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Speaker 6: the best players for your team that'll fit your team,

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Speaker 6: and how much of it is it like selecting players

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Speaker 6: for the future. So if you know a guy is

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Speaker 1: If he were sitting right now, he would say both.

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Speaker 1: He would say they're interchangeable. I think it has to

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Speaker 1: be at Oregon. You don't have to be that way

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Speaker 1: like he's been in a number of places too. But

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Speaker 1: they don't make those geographical fences a limitation for him,

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Speaker 1: Like if you look at their last class, it's the

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Speaker 1: total inverse of what North Carolina did. You rarely compare

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Speaker 2: All right, get stuff. We're going to head on over

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Speaker 2: to Josh Eh. She's got a pretty good hypothetical question

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Speaker 7: Yes, this is kind of what if you could bring

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Speaker 7: Player, put it from any year. So, like I was

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Speaker 1: also giving me my IP, which is just groundbreaking. And

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Speaker 1: so what that lets me do is if I got

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Speaker 1: let's say I've got five hundred thousand followers on Instagram,

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Speaker 1: another quarter million over on TikTok, I can use that

436
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Speaker 1: content because I own it, and I can use it

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Speaker 1: to market myself through a thousand different methods. That's what

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Speaker 1: a marketing firm normally does for you. That's what a

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Speaker 1: university that has its ducks in a row at least

440
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Speaker 1: is going to do for you. And then it's just

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Speaker 1: going to be there's gonna be about a five year

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Speaker 1: period of this ultra creative wild West sort of free

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Speaker 1: for all mentality, and then about ten programs are going

444
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Speaker 1: to streamline the process. They'll figure it out, everyone else

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Speaker 1: will follow them, and then you'll have a pretty i

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Speaker 1: would say, congruent modus operandim and then it'll fall in

447
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Speaker 1: line with who's budgets the biggest which is what recruiting

448
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Speaker 1: is right now, but it'll be a little while where

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Speaker 1: you may see a program like Arizona State or Utah

450
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Speaker 1: or like Akron, I don't know. You may see someone

451
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Speaker 1: who they just have cutting edge folks in their marketing

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Speaker 1: and social departments and digital media and they get it

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Speaker 1: and they're all of a sudden setting the pace, even

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Speaker 1: when it comes to programs with budgets four times their size.

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Speaker 1: But eventually, as you just said, yes, the halves will

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Speaker 1: set the pace because they will either come up with

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Speaker 1: the best ideas, hire the people who have the best ideas,

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Speaker 1: or copy the best ideas and then invest to make

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Speaker 1: the ideas better, and that'll be the lay of the land,

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Speaker 1: all right.

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Speaker 2: Next is Hunter. He's got a question about system quarterbacks.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, hey, Josh, So my question was, we've seen over

463
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Speaker 12: the past couple of years a bunch of qbs that

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Speaker 12: performed above the expectations that were set out for them

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Speaker 12: in recruit or evaluation.

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Speaker 8: I'm thinking Joe Burrow, Kyle Trask, Mac Jones, those guys,

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Speaker 8: and a lot of the complaints that I hear about

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Speaker 8: those people when you say, hey, isn't Kyle Trast great,

469
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Speaker 8: isn't Joe Burrow great? Is you hear them go, yeah,

470
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Speaker 8: well not really, Joe Brady's really great, or Steve Sarksian

471
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Speaker 8: is really great, or Dan Mullen's scheme is really great.

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Speaker 8: And to me that never held. That argument never held

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Speaker 8: much water because the scheme is built around the players

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Speaker 8: you have. So if you want to talk about that.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm listening to it a lot right now from

476
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Speaker 1: the mock community because the draft's coming up. And so

477
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Speaker 1: if you want to knock a guy, it's like you

478
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Speaker 1: develop your opinion on something and then find as much

479
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Speaker 1: confirmation biased as you can and just regurgitate it until

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Speaker 1: someone finally listens. So I'm hearing a lot of that

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Speaker 1: right now. So and so is a system, So and

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Speaker 1: so system quarterback is normally what you hear. But here's

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Speaker 1: my follow up. How many teams in the NFL don't

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Speaker 1: run a system? The answer is none. Thirty two out

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Speaker 1: of thirty two run a system. And so it may be,

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Speaker 1: let's say you, Kyle Trask, it may be that your

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Speaker 1: skill set fits in the kind of system that thirteen

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Speaker 1: out of thirty two NFL teams run. Well. At that point,

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Speaker 1: two things can be true. Number one, you can be

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Speaker 1: a system quarterback, and number two. You can be a

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Speaker 1: perfect fit for almost half the league. And so I

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Speaker 1: look at it and I say, you speak so not you,

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Speaker 1: but in general, when people use that term, they speak

494
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Speaker 1: so pejoratively. It's such a negative connotation. You're a system, this,

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Speaker 1: a system that, And I'm asking how many teams aren't

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Speaker 1: running a system? Now? You could be a transcendently great player,

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Speaker 1: and that kind of player has the skill set that

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Speaker 1: could fit into any system. Not every player is created

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Speaker 1: like that. Most aren't, so most have to be system guys.

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Speaker 1: The reality is there are eight system guys for every

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Speaker 1: one cross system guy or transcendent type guy who would

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Speaker 1: fit anywhere. And you find that out every year because

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Speaker 1: you have some teams that just draft based on best available,

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Speaker 1: and then you have teams that draft based on their system.

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Speaker 1: Then the best or organizations can get players in there

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Speaker 1: and then modify their system to those players. Those are

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Speaker 1: few and far between them.

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Speaker 2: All Right, I'm going to head over to Lewis. He's

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Speaker 2: got a question about Dion Sanders and Jackson State.

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Speaker 13: Hey, Josh, I was looking at the recruiting numbers for

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Speaker 13: Jackson State last year and they pulled in, you know,

512
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Speaker 13: more four star prospects than thirty five Power five schools,

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Speaker 13: and you know with Ohio State's Eddie George going to

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Speaker 13: Tennessee State, what would be the impact for what could

515
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Speaker 13: be the impact if that kind of recruiting trend keeps

516
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Speaker 13: going over the next years or more of these NFL

517
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Speaker 13: stars take over at the FCS level.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so this is really interesting. I had a long

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Speaker 1: conversation about this today. What I think is going to

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Speaker 1: happen is a few FCS programs or historically black colleges

521
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Speaker 1: and universities are going to carve out a niche to

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Speaker 1: where they appeal to guys who otherwise would be bonafide

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Speaker 1: D one guys, bona fide Power five level FBS guys.

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Speaker 1: You just mentioned Dion, Like I was, I was at this.

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Speaker 1: I think we were in the studio. So I was

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Speaker 1: at that desk on signing day and I remember like

527
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Speaker 1: we blocked off out of our eight hour show. We

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Speaker 1: blocked off like thirty minutes to talk about Jackson State.

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Speaker 1: We never would have done that before. Now it's no

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Speaker 1: coincidence it's Deon Sanders School that we did it for.

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Speaker 1: But that's the whole point. Like he understands marketing, so

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Speaker 1: Also that's where the NIO thing comes in again. Eddie

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Speaker 1: George you just mentioned, came to Tennessee State. Eddie George

534
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Speaker 1: has got a really interesting background. Like the guy has

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Speaker 1: a financial background. Of course, he played for the Titans,

536
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Speaker 1: played at Ohio State. But he's a guy who could

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Speaker 1: walk in the living room and say you could go there, there, there,

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Speaker 1: or there, or you could come here. And I'm still

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Speaker 1: We've sent plenty of guys to the league from Tennessee State.

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Speaker 1: It's in a big city, a lot of opportunities. We've

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Speaker 1: got nil figured out, and then you present your pitch

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Speaker 1: to them, and it's just you find it's like an

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Speaker 1: interstate and if you're a gas station and you're trying to,

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Speaker 1: you know, get as many people to come off on

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Speaker 1: your exit as possible. You got to have your sign

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Speaker 1: out there and most of them are still going to

547
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Speaker 1: pass by, but you just got to get enough of

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Speaker 1: them to hit that exit ramp. And you don't have

549
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Speaker 1: to get a hundred of them per year. You just

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Speaker 1: got to get like twenty to twenty five per year.

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Speaker 1: And I think someone's going to strike gold. Maybe it's them,

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Speaker 1: maybe it's Tennessee State, maybe it's Jackson State. Maybe we

553
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Speaker 1: haven't seen the last of these unique hires, maybe Sanders

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Speaker 1: and Eddie George. Maybe that's just the beginning of sort

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Speaker 1: of a wave there.

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Speaker 2: All right, Alejandra has got a question about college football tiers.

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Speaker 14: Hey, Jo, So we often tier college football programs based

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Speaker 14: on their abilities to consistently compete for national titles year

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Speaker 14: in and year out. But what about tiering individual college

560
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Speaker 14: football fandom? You know, talking from least knowledgeable to just

561
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Speaker 14: absolute hardcore follower. This sport consumes their life. Probably needs

562
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Speaker 14: to take a step back and really think about what's

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Speaker 14: going on.

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Speaker 1: I don't want those people taking a step back, man.

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Speaker 1: Those people make our show. That's great. In the radio world,

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Speaker 1: we call those P one listeners. So the P one

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Speaker 1: listener is the kind of person who if he got

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Speaker 1: in a wreck thirteen minutes before the show went on

569
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Speaker 1: the air, he would delay the ambulance so he could

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Speaker 1: listen to your show. Those are not the majority, but

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Speaker 1: they are the most valuable group of people that you

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Speaker 1: have in your audience, the P one listener. Then you

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Speaker 1: go down the list like P two, P three, I

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Speaker 1: would say most like when I do the mood tracker,

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Speaker 1: I take off the P one because the P one

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Speaker 1: opinion will not be the majority opinion for the fan base.

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Speaker 1: And so I would say you got ten percent on

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Speaker 1: either side that are P one or they're just die hard.

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Speaker 1: They eat, sleep, and breathe it. And I certainly never

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Speaker 1: talk negatively about those folks. But then you've got like

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Speaker 1: a middle eighty percent. Out of that eighty percent, I

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Speaker 1: would say about fifty percent out of that eighty percent

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Speaker 1: is P two or informed casual, as I would call it.

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Speaker 1: And then you got about a chunk of thirty percent

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Speaker 1: that they're there on Saturday Sunday through Friday. Maybe they

586
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Speaker 1: check in a couple times on their phone, but by

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Speaker 1: and Lars, they got to wake up Saturday morning, check

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Speaker 1: the schedule and see who playing. That's how I think

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Speaker 1: that divides up all.

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Speaker 2: Right, Last, but not least, we've got the chef Benny Hannah.

591
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Speaker 2: He wants to know what made you fall in love

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Speaker 2: with college football?

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Speaker 15: Right, So my dad taught me two things. Number two

594
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Speaker 15: love Texas a and m Number one love when Texas loses.

595
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Speaker 15: So in two thousand and eight, we remember the Big twelve.

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Speaker 15: It was a little crazy, and I remember my dad

597
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Speaker 15: telling me how good Texas Tech was that year and

598
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Speaker 15: that Texas was going to go into Lubbock. They were

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Speaker 15: gonna lose, and we got to watch it all unfold,

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Speaker 15: and it's just my favorite college football game I've ever watched.

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Speaker 15: And that's the game that click yep, that's a sport

602
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Speaker 15: I want to watch for the rest of my life.

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Speaker 15: So for you, Josh, what was that game that you said,

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Speaker 15: that's the one?

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Speaker 1: And I love this Graham Harold and Michael Crabtree that

606
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Speaker 1: night in Lubbock, by the way, so I would say,

607
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 1: when Alabama played Miami in the national title game. This

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Speaker 1: is a while back, some of you made. I've been

609
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Speaker 1: born by this point. This was ninety two. That's first

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Speaker 1: time I was allowed to stay up past midnight. I

611
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 1: was very very young, and so I remember watching that.

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Speaker 1: It was it was a big spread, like Miami was

613
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Speaker 1: a double digit favorite. They got smoked in New Orleans

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Speaker 1: by Alabama, and that night I fell in love with

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Speaker 1: college football. Never ceased. I knew about it, but you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm the only thing I knew about it at that

617
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Speaker 1: point was my my friends and older relatives were crazy

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Speaker 1: about it. But then when I watched it that night,

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Speaker 1: that's when it clipped for me. How old were you

620
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Speaker 1: in ninety two? If you don't mind me asking six?

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Speaker 1: I was six years old. Jordan checked my birth certificate.

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Speaker 1: I think I was. Yeah, I depends on the time

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Speaker 1: of year that was.

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Speaker 2: I don't have the copy on me.

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Speaker 1: Man, I'm sorry, I was six ish.

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Speaker 2: All right, we're gonna head over to Makoto. He's got

627
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 2: actually a question about NC State in North Carolina.

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Speaker 16: Hey, Josh, it's great to be back again for the

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Speaker 16: second showners Association?

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Speaker 1: Did you pulled that off? By the way, I don't know,

631
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Speaker 1: did you? I don't know people in this thing. And

632
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 1: this man has been drawn twice and he's not related

633
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 1: to me and his first name is not Josh. So

634
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 1: there is no favoritism. There is no cold ping pong ball.

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Speaker 16: I was honest and I said, like, you didn't have

636
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Speaker 16: to pick me again if it ever did come to

637
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Speaker 16: the because I asked you like, if it's you're like,

638
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 16: you know, if I get picked, you don't have to

639
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 16: pay you.

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00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 1: But you know it's okay, it's all right.

641
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Speaker 16: But yeah, going on to my question, Uh, this is

642
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 16: all for all my family down in North Carolina. This

643
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Speaker 16: is a question for them, But is there any chance

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Speaker 16: for NC State mainly NC State, but also UNC to

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Speaker 16: make the ACC Championship, but also potentially even go to

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Speaker 16: the National Championship. You know, with everything that's going on,

647
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Speaker 16: especially with Clemson all that, is there a chance for

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Speaker 16: them to make that ACC Championship or in the National Championship. Yeah,

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Speaker 16: this and this recently you know, currently.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there is a chance to make the ACC Championship.

651
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Speaker 1: There's even a chance to make the playoff. I don't

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Speaker 1: think there's a chance to make the national title.

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Speaker 17: Now.

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Speaker 1: I would say this is for North Carolina. There are

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Speaker 1: some believers in NC State. Maybe I changed that opinion

656
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Speaker 1: before the season, but right now I look at North

657
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Speaker 1: Carolina as the preemptive favorite out of those two if

658
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Speaker 1: you're prop betting one could make the playoff or win

659
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Speaker 1: the ACC Championship. Dude, there is such a gap between

660
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Speaker 1: making the playoff and making the national title that I

661
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Speaker 1: don't even think it has to be or it can

662
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Speaker 1: be referred to as interchangeable. I think in a lot

663
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Speaker 1: of cases that's still sort of in the vernacular, like

664
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Speaker 1: people say they're a playoff team or they're national championship contender.

665
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Speaker 1: Those two things aren't the same. Thing. Notre Dame's been

666
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Speaker 1: a playoff contender. Notre Dame's not been a national championship contender.

667
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Speaker 1: There is a brick wall that you run into phase

668
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Speaker 1: first once you cannot push the ball down the field,

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Speaker 1: and then you get in that playoff setting. You revert

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Speaker 1: back to South or North Carolina now and you could

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Speaker 1: come at me, which you could do. I don't know

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Speaker 1: why I'm Devil's advocating for you, but you could say, Okay,

673
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Speaker 1: but they got Sam Howell, they got receivers like they

674
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Speaker 1: can push it down the field. That's true. I would

675
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Speaker 1: have to see from North Carolina that they are not

676
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Speaker 1: the defensive equivalent of like twenty nineteen Oklahoma, because that

677
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Speaker 1: Oklahoma team didn't matter what they could do offensively, because

678
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Speaker 1: they just got splattered all over the place defensively. I mean,

679
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Speaker 1: unless you had like fifty at the half. If I'm

680
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Speaker 1: not mistaken against them and had to ease off the gas,

681
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Speaker 1: not to hang ninety in a playoff game. So I

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Speaker 1: say yes to the first one, not so much to

683
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Speaker 1: the second one.

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Speaker 2: All Right, we'll head over to Nate. He's got a

685
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Speaker 2: question about ls's quarterback.

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Speaker 18: Hey, Josh, want to say thank you for bringing me on.

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Speaker 10: I'm really really excited about this.

688
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Speaker 18: So with LSU having such a stat quarterback room, we've

689
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Speaker 18: got Miles Brandon, Max Johnson. You know, those are like

690
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Speaker 18: the two really huge contenders right now, art Asmar. Do

691
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Speaker 18: you think that ed Ordron's gonna end up showing more

692
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Speaker 18: favoritism towards Miles Brennan than he would Max Johnson. Do

693
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Speaker 18: you think he's gonna immediately put him in and say

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Speaker 18: that he's the starter just because he's got that loyalty

695
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Speaker 18: to him, or do you think he's gonna go with

696
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Speaker 18: more clear.

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Speaker 10: Cut choice if it does show that it's gonna be Johnson.

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Speaker 1: I do think that. I do think he's gonna show

699
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Speaker 1: Brennan favoritism. I don't think that will come into play.

700
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Speaker 1: Let me let me say this. I think if this

701
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Speaker 1: thing's competitive, I think there will be favoritism shown to Brennan.

702
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Speaker 1: I think in a lot of cases, Oorsron is going

703
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Speaker 1: to want to validate his initial choice. He's not been

704
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Speaker 1: shy about saying this, by the way, like he has

705
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Speaker 1: talked several times even last year, he said, when Miles

706
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Speaker 1: comes back, he's the starter, and it was like it

707
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Speaker 1: was independent of any further investigation, any further evaluation. It's

708
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Speaker 1: just he's going to be the guy. It's almost one

709
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Speaker 1: of those situations where he's a believer that you cannot

710
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Speaker 1: take a job from a guy until he loses it.

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Speaker 1: I've never been a believer in that, Like I think

712
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Speaker 1: talent can take your job from you, whether you're injured

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Speaker 1: or not. But I'm not saying Miles Brennan won't be

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Speaker 1: the guy and he's not the best guy. What I

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Speaker 1: am saying is that's been in the back of my

716
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Speaker 1: mind this entire time, because I've heard a lot of

717
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Speaker 1: good stuff about Max Johnson from down there, but I've

718
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Speaker 1: always had in the back of my mind I wonder

719
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Speaker 1: if he's got to be definitively better than Brennan for

720
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Speaker 1: him to get that shot, because I think if there

721
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Speaker 1: even I think it's going to be Brennan's job. Yeah,

722
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Speaker 1: I fully believe that.

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Speaker 18: That's what I was wondering too. But you got to think,

724
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Speaker 18: Miles Brennan, for the last five years that he's been there,

725
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Speaker 18: has been hurt almost every year. Max Johnson like competed

726
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Speaker 18: better in the last couple of games that he played

727
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Speaker 18: than Brennan did.

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Speaker 10: At the beginning of the See.

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Speaker 1: That's what I that's what I remember about him. I

730
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Speaker 1: mean everyone revers the Florida game. Sure, that's a that's

731
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Speaker 1: a great trophy case, highlight game for him, But I

732
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Speaker 1: remember the competitiveness, and that's why I don't dismiss him.

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of the you know, the preview

734
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Speaker 1: magazine crowd is going to have Miles Brennan penciled in

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Speaker 1: there unless something happens in the spring game that's like spectacular.

736
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Speaker 1: But I don't ever discount that kind of competitive spirit,

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Speaker 1: Like you're going into You're going into a stadium where

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Speaker 1: the other team has everything up to an including possibly

739
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Speaker 1: a playoff spot to lose, and you're a three plus

740
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Speaker 1: touchdown underdog. And never once did LSU look like the

741
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Speaker 1: second best team in Gainesville that night. Like that stuff

742
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Speaker 1: sticks with me. So he may not. He may be

743
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Speaker 1: the second third best quarterback there, but in terms of competitiveness, like,

744
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Speaker 1: I don't know that anyone's got the edge on him.

745
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Speaker 1: So if someone does beat him out, it's gonna have

746
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Speaker 1: to be raw talent that does it.

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Speaker 2: All Right, Nick's got a question about going for it

748
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Speaker 2: on fourth down?

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Speaker 19: Hey, Josh and Jordan, first off. I want to make

750
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Speaker 19: a statement to the suits that CBS and two four

751
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Speaker 19: seven I that they want to reward ingenuity and creativity.

752
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 19: So I think a raise is probably in order for

753
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Speaker 19: you guys, having concocted such an engaging and unique product.

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Speaker 2: I couldn't agree more.

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Speaker 1: Can you confirm Jordan's settle down?

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Speaker 17: Nick?

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Speaker 1: Can you confirm that you don't have a script to

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Speaker 1: read right now and that came from your own heart

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Speaker 1: and soul and mind.

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Speaker 19: It was It was purely genuine, I promise.

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Speaker 1: Okay, thanks. Now, I'm not saying now I want to

762
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Speaker 1: say I fully accurate, but I just think.

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Speaker 19: You well answer my question, which kind of centers around

764
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Speaker 19: like this article that I read a few years back.

765
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Speaker 19: It was about this high school coach who kind of

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Speaker 19: just made it his blanket policy to always go for

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Speaker 19: on fourth down, always go for to, and always kick

768
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Speaker 19: on side kicks, which on the face of it seems

769
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Speaker 19: like it's kind of a crazy idea, but turns out

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Speaker 19: the guy's kind of crazy like a fox, because he

771
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Speaker 19: ended up winning I think five state titles or something

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Speaker 19: like that using this this policy, and it kind of

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Speaker 19: makes sense from like a pure statistics or probabilistic point

774
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Speaker 19: of view, which we could go into, but it's kind

775
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Speaker 19: of boring. But I guess my question is given, especially

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Speaker 19: the fact that the game is kind of tilting more

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Speaker 19: and more in favor of offensive production. You see a

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Speaker 19: day in the future where going for it on fourth

779
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Speaker 19: down or going for two becomes kind of the default

780
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Speaker 19: option and punning is more just situational.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we're rapidly approaching it. I think some

782
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Speaker 1: programs are there, or at least they tell you they're

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Speaker 1: there if you're sitting in a clinic setting with them

784
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Speaker 1: in the off season. A lot of these coaches tell you, oh,

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Speaker 1: we go for it on fourth down. But then when

786
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Speaker 1: it's fill in the blank cutting time, and it's late

787
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Speaker 1: third quarter, early fourth quarter, and you know you've only

788
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Speaker 1: got twelve of these games and one of them is

789
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Speaker 1: going to be decided based on this decision, then all

790
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:51,360
Speaker 1: of a sudden, you may shrivel up a little bit

791
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 1: more and you may want to punt it. But yes,

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Speaker 1: I think we're there. And the reason where there is

793
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 1: cause yards are less valuable. Now ten and twenty yard

794
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 1: chunks of the field are less valuable. They're easier to get. Therefore,

795
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Speaker 1: they are less valuable, and so right now, you know,

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Speaker 1: it drives me crazy, and I am conservative by nature

797
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Speaker 1: when it comes to play calling and in game strategicy,

798
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Speaker 1: but it even drives me crazy now when I see

799
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Speaker 1: a team that is at midfield or past midfield and

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Speaker 1: plus territory and they get to like, you know, it's

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Speaker 1: the forty one yard line, let's say, so they don't

802
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 1: trust their field goal kicker over fifty yards and they're

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Speaker 1: in what you call no man's land because they get

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Speaker 1: to a fourth and long situation, they just think they

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Speaker 1: have to punt. And I'm like, what is the best

806
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 1: you're going to pick up? Because you know as well

807
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Speaker 1: as I do, half the time that ball ends up

808
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 1: in the end zone and it comes out of the

809
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 1: twenty five yard line. So you just netted yourself fifteen yards.

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00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 1: Why don't you just throw the ball? I mean, I

811
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Speaker 1: want you just literally hail marry the ball because it's

812
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 1: not going to be all that worse and outcome and

813
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 1: you actually have a reward in that risk reward proposition.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I think we're getting there. I think there

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Speaker 1: is still a little fraternity of coaches, like a layer

816
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Speaker 1: of coaches that are probably eventually going to be pushed

817
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Speaker 1: out out of the game because it's it's it doesn't

818
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 1: jibe well when you're competing against people who do have

819
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 1: that ultra aggressive mentality to not have it. So I

820
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 1: think for the time being, it's still like a novelty.

821
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Speaker 1: I think it'll be the norm, if not ten years

822
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Speaker 1: down the road, even like five years down the road.

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Speaker 2: Dustin's got a running back debate question, Dustin, go ahead.

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Speaker 4: Thanks for having me all Josh been following you since. Yeah,

825
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,359
Speaker 4: your day's on Columbus on the local news man. So

826
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:30,399
Speaker 4: it's like that band you got to see in high

827
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:32,840
Speaker 4: school for five dollars on Friday and you get to

828
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:34,360
Speaker 4: hear them on the radio for the first time. So

829
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Speaker 4: it's awesome to see y'all grow and become something truly

830
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 4: special on YouTube. But question was all age old debate

831
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Speaker 4: strictly collegiate O Jackson or herschel Walker.

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Speaker 1: So firstly, as I stall so I can answer the question,

833
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 1: thank you. If you were paying five dollars to watch

834
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 1: us in Columbus, you got ripped off, but I appreciate it.

835
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Speaker 1: I appreciate it anyway. So my answer to this I

836
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Speaker 1: figured out a long time ago how I could have

837
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Speaker 1: a fool proof answer because I'm wor you know, you

838
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:04,319
Speaker 1: know Columbus, so I'm right there on the Chattoochie River.

839
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Speaker 1: So there is no right answer to this. There's only

840
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Speaker 1: a wrong answer. So what I started saying a long

841
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 1: time ago is it made me sound way smarter than

842
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Speaker 1: I was. I said, what do you think? And so

843
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 1: then you know what, Well, here's how I'll do it, Dustin,

844
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Speaker 1: what do you think? Who would you pick in this?

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Speaker 4: Oh that's not the name of this game, but I'll play.

846
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Speaker 4: I'm on partial. I'm a Georgia fans. I'm always hanging

847
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 4: with herschel Walker. But I feel like they're they're cut

848
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Speaker 4: from the same cloth.

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Speaker 20: You know.

850
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Speaker 4: It's kind of you could have put herschel Walker in

851
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Speaker 4: all of Run and put Bo Jackson in Athens, and

852
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Speaker 4: I feel like the results could have been almost the same.

853
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Speaker 4: I mean, there were just both of them are just

854
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 4: straight freaks of nature with strong will. But I'm only

855
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 4: towards herschel But that's just because I'm a dog.

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Speaker 1: Yep. So here's how that drill goes. I would listen

857
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:51,400
Speaker 1: to you say that, and I would nod my head

858
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 1: when I would look very inquisitive, and then I would say,

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00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 1: all right, you take herschel and I'll take what's left over,

860
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Speaker 1: and then I just move on. And so I'm happy

861
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Speaker 1: with either one of them because I agree with you said.

862
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,280
Speaker 1: I could plug and play either one of them either place.

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Speaker 1: Like if you've got one stack category one of them

864
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Speaker 1: dominated in, I could throw two more in your face

865
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:11,319
Speaker 1: the other way. So like that's my answer, I fall

866
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:13,399
Speaker 1: right on the fence with it. I would gladly take

867
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 1: which everyone's left over. After I let someone else pick first.

868
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:20,760
Speaker 4: And fourth, we'll have about a little easier question. Country's

869
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 4: barbecue or Thirteenth Street?

870
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:27,880
Speaker 1: All right, so this gets okay, so the answer, the

871
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 1: answer is countries. However, when I was working in the

872
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 1: fabric warehouse down on Twelfth Street that won't be named

873
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 1: because they're not sponsoring us, but they are still in business.

874
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 1: When I was working there, we would get catered from

875
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:42,880
Speaker 1: Thirteenth Street Barbecue every Friday, so I learned to love it.

876
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 1: But if I am voluntarily going barbecue in Columbus, I'm

877
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 1: going to countries and countries north speaking, you hypothetically mentioned

878
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 1: me being in a band. Well, I really was in

879
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:55,359
Speaker 1: a band in high school. And Countries North let us

880
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 1: play there, and we ended up getting them in trouble.

881
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 1: Not that I advocated for under age drinking, but some

882
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 1: of it ended up happening at our concert, and so

883
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 1: that's a fun memory. I also another fun story, went

884
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 1: to Countries North one night and ended up coaxing a

885
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 1: waitress there into ordering a wrestling pay per view for us,

886
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:15,880
Speaker 1: which was like thirty bucks back then, and trouble again

887
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 1: in that method. And this is not the era of

888
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:20,800
Speaker 1: wrestling that Jordan likes. This was the good era of

889
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,360
Speaker 1: wrestling back in the like early two thousands, late nineties.

890
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:25,399
Speaker 4: Yeah so ws.

891
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it was before the East, so I for

892
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 1: many reasons. Some of those included, I go Countries.

893
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:34,879
Speaker 4: Four man, I appreciate you taking you, Tom Fellas, You'll

894
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 4: be good absolutely.

895
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 1: Man.

896
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:40,319
Speaker 2: All right, I'm gonna let that wrestling comment slide. We're

897
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 2: gonna go over to Andrew. He's got a question about Nil.

898
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 21: Thanks for having me. I know, Nil's kind of been

899
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 21: a touchy subject here, just because it's kind of like

900
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 21: an and there's a lot of layers there, and I'm

901
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 21: sure there's an answer to this one. It's probably gonna

902
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 21: be the same way, but I was kind of curious

903
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 21: in terms of NIL on the horizon and the potential

904
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 21: for players, you know, to generate as much revenue for

905
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 21: themselves as they could, would there be a situation where

906
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:17,359
Speaker 21: universities could possibly forego offering scholarships. Scholarships typically be in

907
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 21: a form of compensation, as it were for the player.

908
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 1: Yep, So this is a phenomenal question. Here's the easy answer.

909
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 1: No one has a clue, because no one's going to

910
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 1: be the first program to say, oh, you're making money, Well,

911
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 1: you're not an amateur anymore. So if you're not an amateur,

912
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 1: we're not giving you scholarships anymore. However, that question is

913
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 1: going to be there twofold number one. The first side

914
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 1: of that question is going to be, if these kids

915
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 1: are making money way above and beyond what the equivalent

916
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:48,840
Speaker 1: value of the scholarship is, why are we still giving

917
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:50,959
Speaker 1: them the scholarship. Okay, that's going to be a question

918
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 1: that's on its own little frontier over here. But then

919
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 1: there's this second frontier, and that second frontier doesn't have

920
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,319
Speaker 1: anything to do with NIL, but I think it can

921
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 1: loosely be lumped into this paradigm. If kids are being paid,

922
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 1: I mean, like on the record, up front, you see

923
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 1: them doing endorsement deals on the side. I mean, if

924
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 1: I got a kid over here who's doing a thirty

925
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,319
Speaker 1: five hundred dollars a month deal with Verizon in his

926
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:16,360
Speaker 1: hometown of Omaha, Nebraska, all of a sudden, he's not

927
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 1: an amateur anymore by the definition of what amateurism is.

928
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:21,280
Speaker 1: How do I treat him?

929
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 22: Now?

930
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about me, I'll be the same way.

931
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 1: But talking about college football public in large, how do

932
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 1: you view college athletes? I'll open it up here we

933
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 1: can talk about this. So when when you know guys

934
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:35,759
Speaker 1: are getting paid, I'm not talking about hush money or

935
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 1: dark money and recruiting. I'm talking about out front, in

936
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 1: front of God and everyone. You know these dudes are

937
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 1: making money. Does it change the way you look at him?

938
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:46,319
Speaker 1: Because right now, when you talk about NFL players, you

939
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:50,319
Speaker 1: talk about them totally different. Nothing's off limits. You openly criticize,

940
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:53,720
Speaker 1: feel comfortable doing that because they're pro athletes, right, it's fine.

941
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 1: But with college athletes, you sort of put on the

942
00:43:56,800 --> 00:44:00,080
Speaker 1: kid gloves and you could be critical, but we're not

943
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 1: going to drag some kid over the cols. Does it

944
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 1: change because they make money or is it the same

945
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:07,440
Speaker 1: in your mind because you still draw a difference between

946
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 1: college and.

947
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 21: Pro I mean, I think it would probably if it

948
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:14,879
Speaker 21: go both ways. But I think that the scrutiny and

949
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 21: the you know, criticizing of a particular player, especially if

950
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 21: they are you know, a highly talented player or somebody

951
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 21: who you know their brand, is going to be much

952
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:30,360
Speaker 21: more prevalent, or at least much more in the public eye.

953
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 4: Yeah.

954
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 21: I think that the you know, criticism and credit alike

955
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 21: is going to ramp up, probably more so than some

956
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 21: maybe a lower key second or third screen player who

957
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:44,399
Speaker 21: may still have opportunities, but nothing like say you're starting quarterback, do.

958
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 1: A show of hands. I'm drinking protein as we do this,

959
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 1: by the way, so give me a show of hands.

960
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:50,400
Speaker 1: How many people will be more likely to take the

961
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 1: kid gloves off when talking about college athletes if you

962
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 1: know they're being paid a lot of money. Oh man,

963
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:58,359
Speaker 1: So a split room. That's good. I want to find

964
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:01,279
Speaker 1: those topics. Okay, So this me taking a mental note

965
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 1: that this is something I'm going to talk about on

966
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:05,880
Speaker 1: a future show. So I appreciate that it's interesting and

967
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 1: it's going to evolve. So the way you feel now

968
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 1: may not be the way you feel two years from now,

969
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 1: is my point. I fit that description too.

970
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 16: And Josh Day I add something about that real quick.

971
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 16: So when you're talking about that, it's funny enough that

972
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 16: basically you're looking at college players when they're making money

973
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 16: like that, they're basically NFL players maus the salary. And

974
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 16: then you think about it. The whole point of going

975
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 16: to college is the education. So if they're just going

976
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 16: there for the football and the endorsements, like, what's the

977
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 16: point of having a college You.

978
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 1: Will let me a team. To quote Cardil Jones, we

979
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 1: ain't come here to play no school. So I don't

980
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 1: know that everybody is going to college for the education.

981
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:40,880
Speaker 1: I think you're going there because that just happens to

982
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:44,320
Speaker 1: be where the football program is. It's not one size

983
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 1: fits all, though, Like I mean, I guarantee you just

984
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:48,400
Speaker 1: as much as Cardil Jones said that when he was

985
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 1: at Ohio State, there are several other kids in that

986
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 1: locker room that relish the opportunity to put that degree

987
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 1: on their wall. And they also maybe really good at football.

988
00:45:57,520 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 1: They probably are because they're playing at Ohio State. So

989
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 1: it's gonna be as usual, there's gonna be this broad

990
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:05,840
Speaker 1: brush and everyone, a lot of people are gonna take it,

991
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 1: and we're gonna paint the whole thing one way. And

992
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 1: in reality, you need to go buy you know, that

993
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,320
Speaker 1: painting set where you get like the different sized brushes

994
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:14,360
Speaker 1: and one of them is like really fine point. Okay,

995
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 1: well you gotta pull out the really fine point brush.

996
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:19,359
Speaker 1: Clearly I have a background in artistry, and you got

997
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:22,879
Speaker 1: to paint each individual point on the cannabis a different way.

998
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 1: By the way, that's also a good strategy for life.

999
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 21: I was going to also kind of add you know,

1000
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 21: also realizing that, you know, it's a very small percentage

1001
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 21: of student of student athletes or you know, football players

1002
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 21: in this case that are actually gonna make it pro right,

1003
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 21: So while yeah, this is an added you know, income

1004
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 21: stream for them, it's also going to be interesting to

1005
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 21: see how universities, you know, if this were to happen,

1006
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 21: how they can spin it. So, you know, if they're

1007
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 21: in a position like like what you were discussing on

1008
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 21: the podcast last year yesterday about APEX with Florida State.

1009
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:58,360
Speaker 21: So if universities start coming out with these programs like

1010
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 21: all right, instead of you know, freeing a full right scholarship.

1011
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 21: We now have an opportunity for you to boost your brand,

1012
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 21: boost your revenue potential, and be able to use the

1013
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 21: university as a vessel in doing so.

1014
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:12,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're a marketing we were talking about it in

1015
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 1: the last session. You are now two parts. You're one part, well,

1016
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 1: three parts. I guess you're one part university, one part

1017
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 1: football program, one part marketing firm. And that's the way.

1018
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 1: That's the way I'm looking at major college football moving forward.

1019
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 1: And you could say athletics, but I'm dealing with football.

1020
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 1: You get the best of the best out there, the

1021
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:35,839
Speaker 1: programs that are still the alpha, top tier, one, tier two,

1022
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 1: five and ten years from now, they will have mastered

1023
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:41,759
Speaker 1: marketing just as much as recruiting and football operations.

1024
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 2: All right, Next we've got Thomas. He's got a question

1025
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 2: about Power five head coaches. Go ahead, Thomas.

1026
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 23: All right, So how can app stay in like UCF

1027
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 23: continually have success with the high coach turnover? Wow, Like

1028
00:47:56,760 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 23: other schools like Tennessee struggle and have a high turnover

1029
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 23: but never achieved success or Arkansas.

1030
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:10,360
Speaker 1: It's all about culture. So the way I can describe

1031
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:13,799
Speaker 1: it is well culture. So two different things. Culture. They

1032
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 1: have such a defined, workable process that they have developed

1033
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 1: the car essentially big metaphorical deal when you're talking about

1034
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 1: culture there. So you build the car. If you build

1035
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:26,840
Speaker 1: it the right way, it's like a rental car. You know,

1036
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 1: you can keep putting new drivers in it. And it's

1037
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 1: not as easy as that. But theoretically that's the culture

1038
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 1: you've built, and you built it to sustain itself so

1039
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 1: much so that no one person can make or break it.

1040
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:40,880
Speaker 1: But also what they're able to do because they're not

1041
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:44,440
Speaker 1: a huge like global brand or anything like that. You

1042
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 1: don't have a million different things on your plate every week.

1043
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 1: That's why not a lot of people are able to

1044
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 1: operate a program like Nick Saban. Because Nick Saban doesn't sleep.

1045
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 1: He's got like twenty seven hours in his day, so

1046
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 1: we can just do a whole lot of stuff. Most

1047
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 1: guys aren't capable of that. But at app State, you

1048
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:01,239
Speaker 1: don't have to be capable that. You just have to

1049
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 1: run the football program. When I restructured my deal here

1050
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 1: not too long ago, I restructured it in a way

1051
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 1: to where I took a lot of the operational aspects

1052
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:14,880
Speaker 1: off my plate because I and fortunately my bosses agreed,

1053
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 1: I should be tasked with running that show. I'm pointing

1054
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 1: behind me at the logo and formatting and executive producing

1055
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 1: and doing everything from a branding and marketing standpoint, But

1056
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:29,319
Speaker 1: every bit of my energy needs to be invested in that. Well,

1057
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 1: if all of a sudden, I got to run meetings

1058
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 1: and keep up with tech and do this and that,

1059
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, every hour and every second of

1060
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 1: every day you spend doing that is a second of

1061
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:40,239
Speaker 1: your day taken away from what your key focus should be.

1062
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:43,279
Speaker 1: Some people can do that, some people can't. At app State,

1063
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 1: you just get the fortune to worry about football. So like,

1064
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:47,919
Speaker 1: that's why I think some of those programs are able

1065
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 1: to sustain success the way they do.

1066
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 23: I have a quick follow up to that, real quick.

1067
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 23: So do you think that the athletic director or the

1068
00:49:56,560 --> 00:50:00,880
Speaker 23: head coach has a bigger impact on the football program?

1069
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:04,719
Speaker 23: Because I want to say head coach just because it's

1070
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:08,720
Speaker 23: their thumb print. However, like looking at UCF and APT State,

1071
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:11,920
Speaker 23: they have such a high atturnative rate of head coaches,

1072
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 23: but the athletic director usually stays the same. I know

1073
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 23: UCS just stop to Tennessee.

1074
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:21,680
Speaker 1: I usually I think that the bigger programs, the head

1075
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:25,040
Speaker 1: coach becomes the answer more and more. At the smaller programs,

1076
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Speaker 1: I think athletic director is the answer more and more.

1077
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Speaker 1: But that's also a good topic. I'll probably you know

1078
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 1: what you formatted like the next two weeks of shows

1079
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:34,359
Speaker 1: for me already because I'm literally writing that down. So

1080
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:37,319
Speaker 1: I would say, I would say smaller programs disproportionate to ad,

1081
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:40,880
Speaker 1: bigger programs disproportionate to head coach in terms of the answer.

1082
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:45,360
Speaker 2: All right, Next up is actually Josh. He has got

1083
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 2: a question about a couple of SEC quarterbacks. Go ahead, Josh.

1084
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:48,719
Speaker 6: All right.

1085
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 22: So I just want to say the basically, I think

1086
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:57,360
Speaker 22: that Kyle Trast versus Matt Jones, that that debate is

1087
00:50:57,440 --> 00:50:58,319
Speaker 22: too often.

1088
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 1: Open and shut.

1089
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:04,319
Speaker 22: I think a lot of people see Mac Jones as

1090
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:07,839
Speaker 22: the obviously superior quarterback, but I really do think that.

1091
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 1: There's a debate there.

1092
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 22: I'm a Florida fan living in Alabama, so I'm used

1093
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 22: to getting the hate from Alabama fans for any of this,

1094
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:17,880
Speaker 22: but I kind of think Kyle Trask is the quarterback.

1095
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 10: I had one on my team.

1096
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 22: I want to hear if you can make the case

1097
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:25,799
Speaker 22: for either both of them, or if you can't make

1098
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 22: the case for one of them. You know, and I

1099
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 22: know you would never do this, but one of my

1100
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 22: least favorite arguments as a quarterback was carried by the

1101
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 22: talent around him.

1102
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 1: Oh far be it, God forbid? Oh man, no talented

1103
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:40,839
Speaker 1: players in the NFL, as we all know, So you're

1104
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:42,840
Speaker 1: going to have to get by with scraps in the NFL.

1105
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:45,279
Speaker 1: All right, So I got I think I got the

1106
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 1: general feeling of the question. I minimize the window. I'm

1107
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 1: trying to pull it back up. All right, there, you

1108
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:53,759
Speaker 1: guys are so ludicrous. First off is the stance that, oh,

1109
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 1: he's a product of his talent and whatnot. So I'm

1110
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:58,840
Speaker 1: not even going to dignify that part of it with

1111
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:01,359
Speaker 1: a response. But the other stuff you were talking about there,

1112
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:03,800
Speaker 1: it goes back to system. In a lot of cases,

1113
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 1: there could very well be a situation where Mac Jones's

1114
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 1: better fit in one place than Traskiz and the total

1115
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:13,240
Speaker 1: opposite is the case in another team within their own division.

1116
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:16,320
Speaker 1: Even But what I think happens a lot of times

1117
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 1: is in our in our industry, like the whole Mott

1118
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:24,440
Speaker 1: draft apparatus. Within the sports media industry, here's what happens

1119
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:25,919
Speaker 1: a lot of times once you get behind the scenes

1120
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 1: you see this stuff. There's not a lot of creation.

1121
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:30,239
Speaker 1: There's a little bit of creation and a whole lot

1122
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 1: of aggregation. So here's what happens. Happens in preview magazine

1123
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:36,840
Speaker 1: season all the time too. Phil Steele, for example, is

1124
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:39,239
Speaker 1: a creator. He is an originator. Whether you like his

1125
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 1: magazine or not, he goes in and does his own research.

1126
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:44,280
Speaker 1: I take the same approach on our show. I don't

1127
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:46,839
Speaker 1: go in and take from a bunch of other people

1128
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:49,920
Speaker 1: and put our show together. Most people don't take that approach.

1129
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 1: And so what happens is the preparation for most people

1130
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 1: if they're doing a mock draft, let's say, is they

1131
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:56,920
Speaker 1: go and look at other mott drafts and then do

1132
00:52:56,960 --> 00:53:00,080
Speaker 1: a collaboration and combination of that, and that's their mock draft. Well,

1133
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:03,439
Speaker 1: here's the problem if all of that stemming off one

1134
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 1: or two originators. If there's one originator out there who

1135
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 1: happened to say my opinion is Mac Jones is clearly

1136
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 1: heads and tails above Kyle Trask, it just gets regurgitated

1137
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:17,759
Speaker 1: across the entire spectrum, and all of a sudden, you

1138
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:20,400
Speaker 1: look around and you hear it from every angle, and

1139
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:22,680
Speaker 1: you say it must be true because all these people

1140
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 1: think it. No, they don't all think it. A lot

1141
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 1: of them are just parroting it because one or two

1142
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 1: people happen to think it. Now, I'm saying that independent

1143
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:32,399
Speaker 1: of my opinion here, Like, I'm not some big mock

1144
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:35,919
Speaker 1: draft guy. I'm not an evaluator of talent. I see

1145
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 1: what people are saying. Maybe it'll be true, just as

1146
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 1: often as it is it isn't. But I don't like

1147
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 1: if you're trying to If you came to me and

1148
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 1: you said, hey, I think Kyle Trask may be better

1149
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 1: than Mac Jones, Okay, like that's your opinion, may very

1150
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 1: well be true. I'm certainly not going to call you

1151
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 1: stupid just because I could pull up five Mott drafts

1152
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 1: that disagree with you. That's all I'm saying.

1153
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:55,279
Speaker 22: Yeah, oh, I had one last quick thing. I want

1154
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:57,640
Speaker 22: to say that. I don't think it's open and shut

1155
00:53:57,640 --> 00:53:59,319
Speaker 22: out the other way. I just think that there should

1156
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:01,719
Speaker 22: at least be an argument. I think that a lot

1157
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 22: of people could say that mac Jones is better and

1158
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 22: back it up, and I'll agree, but I not agree.

1159
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:09,799
Speaker 1: I agreed to disagree, but I think it should.

1160
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:11,920
Speaker 10: Be a lot more open and a lot more open to.

1161
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:16,280
Speaker 1: I'll allow it. I will allow it and even nod

1162
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:16,920
Speaker 1: my head at it.

1163
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:20,279
Speaker 2: All. Right, last up is Braiden. He actually has a

1164
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 2: pay State University question.

1165
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:24,839
Speaker 1: This ought to be good. I've got some sources there,

1166
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:25,720
Speaker 1: so go ahead, Braiden.

1167
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm Braiden YouTube user Braiden and sane.

1168
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:32,279
Speaker 1: Subscribe by now boy that hold on? I interrupted. You

1169
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:34,480
Speaker 1: clearly state the name of the channel where you get

1170
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 1: your plug and go.

1171
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:38,920
Speaker 5: Ahead, yeah, subscribe to Braiden insane. It's actually I mean,

1172
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:41,360
Speaker 5: I'm a cartoon critic, so your audience probably wouldn't have

1173
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 5: much crossover with mine, but never know, we get animated. Actually,

1174
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:47,640
Speaker 5: I'm the guy that you actually read my comment aloud

1175
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:50,160
Speaker 5: where I said that like begging was the cowards way out,

1176
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 5: and I.

1177
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Speaker 1: Remember, I remember I got it tattooed on my lower back.

1178
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 1: Actually I don't have time to show you right now anyway.

1179
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 5: No, my question is so, yes, say, you're the athletic

1180
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:03,960
Speaker 5: director at Pete State and your head coach. In his

1181
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:08,279
Speaker 5: first three years, the record is three and nine, four

1182
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:11,279
Speaker 5: and eight, five and seven, so he's improving, but he

1183
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 5: hasn't been to a bowl and he has not beaten

1184
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:17,719
Speaker 5: a arrival yet. Although the games are getting more competitive

1185
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 5: and you have a top thirty recruiting class hanging in

1186
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:24,560
Speaker 5: the balance, do you fire him or do you let

1187
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 5: him have more time as that coach?

1188
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:31,880
Speaker 1: No, he's gone. He's gone because I'm not going to

1189
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 1: ever let a recruiting class hold my decision making process

1190
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 1: hostage for obvious reasons. But then even within those reasons,

1191
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:42,960
Speaker 1: if you look at how the sport's evolving right now,

1192
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 1: check out what Michigan State's doing with a new staff,

1193
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 1: look at what Florida State's doing with a new staff.

1194
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:52,960
Speaker 1: The transfer portal allows you to very quickly overturn your

1195
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:56,279
Speaker 1: roster well above and beyond well at a quicker pace

1196
00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 1: than you used to be able to. You used to

1197
00:55:58,040 --> 00:55:59,919
Speaker 1: just have to go one recruiting class at the time.

1198
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:01,879
Speaker 1: Now you can go one recruiting class. Oh and get

1199
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:04,480
Speaker 1: twelve transfers in cause a bunch of other kids left.

1200
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:07,399
Speaker 1: And so, no, man, first off, we're not winning enough

1201
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:10,239
Speaker 1: games to even worry about whether he can recruit. What

1202
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:12,960
Speaker 1: does it matter if he's getting the guys on campus,

1203
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:14,719
Speaker 1: but he can't win with him. That was the same

1204
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:16,879
Speaker 1: deal with Tom Herman, Like everyone said, we can't fire

1205
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:19,160
Speaker 1: Tom Herman at Texas. He's got a top ten class,

1206
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:22,239
Speaker 1: he always has. They already were there when he got hired,

1207
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:24,959
Speaker 1: and he did nothing to quell that. He wasn't winning

1208
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:26,759
Speaker 1: with him, So like, why would you let that hold

1209
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:27,200
Speaker 1: you hospital?

1210
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:30,320
Speaker 5: I just say that I actually think Tom Herman was

1211
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 5: a bit better than the guy I'm describing. I think

1212
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:33,680
Speaker 5: Tom Herman should have at least he been given one

1213
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 5: more year.

1214
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:36,240
Speaker 1: Well, I did a poor job hiring this guy, obviously,

1215
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:39,040
Speaker 1: so that's on me. That's my fault, that's not your fault.

1216
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 1: And so really what we need to be asking is

1217
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:46,840
Speaker 1: is my job on the line. And you didn't include

1218
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:47,920
Speaker 1: that in part of your question, But.

1219
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:50,719
Speaker 5: I mean, I guess it's kind of just assumed that

1220
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 5: it's not, but I don't know.

1221
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:55,080
Speaker 1: I hope it is. But yeah, I would I would never, like,

1222
00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 1: in all seriousness, I would never let a recruiting class

1223
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:01,279
Speaker 1: dictate whether I fire guy or not. If it's time

1224
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:02,120
Speaker 1: to go, it's time to go.

1225
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:05,880
Speaker 2: All right, let's start with Stewart. He has got a

1226
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:09,719
Speaker 2: question about a couple rival SEC teams.

1227
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:12,759
Speaker 24: Yeah, so I'm a Georgia fan. I was just you know,

1228
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 24: with the lack of product, with the production that Alabama

1229
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:18,640
Speaker 24: was losing at receiver and the production that George is

1230
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:22,720
Speaker 24: losing more specifically a corner, but at dB overall, which

1231
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:25,120
Speaker 24: which one do you think would be more of a

1232
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 24: problem by the end of the year.

1233
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:30,439
Speaker 1: I'd say George's, DB's. I would answer this if these

1234
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:33,600
Speaker 1: shoes were on the opposite feet there, just because I

1235
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:36,720
Speaker 1: think it's a harder position in general to break in.

1236
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 1: I think it's a harder position to learn. The two

1237
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:41,400
Speaker 1: defenses we're talking about here is Nick Saban and Kirby Smarts.

1238
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:43,240
Speaker 1: In a lot of ways, it's like the same defense.

1239
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:45,919
Speaker 1: They asked their dbs to do a lot, a lot

1240
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:48,680
Speaker 1: of pattern matching, a lot of multiplicity there. So I

1241
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:52,040
Speaker 1: would say DB's, we don't have to wait long, by

1242
00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 1: the way, because Georgia plays cleansing in week one, so

1243
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:55,800
Speaker 1: we get to see it right out of the gate.

1244
00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 1: And really, to be honest with you, I think Kirby

1245
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 1: Smart's praying for a lot of rains so that he

1246
00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:04,320
Speaker 1: does he has an excuse to not show any passing

1247
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 1: game in their G Day scrimmage. But I really think

1248
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 1: in a broader sense, I think Alabama's gonna be okay

1249
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:13,840
Speaker 1: at receiver because I think right now what they're doing

1250
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 1: is mixing and matching a lot. They have so much

1251
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:19,840
Speaker 1: talent and they have married themselves to the proper schemes

1252
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:23,360
Speaker 1: and concepts that I have a hard time believing that

1253
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:25,240
Speaker 1: they're not going to be top five in the country

1254
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:28,360
Speaker 1: at receiver. I'm not saying they're gonna match last year's

1255
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:31,920
Speaker 1: production or the last two years production, but yeah, I'm

1256
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:35,080
Speaker 1: out of the two. Granted this is this is relatively speaking,

1257
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:38,040
Speaker 1: I'd have a lot more concern about Georgia's DBS.

1258
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:42,000
Speaker 2: All Right, we'll go over to Austin. We talked Georgia Alabama.

1259
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:43,080
Speaker 2: Now we're gonna talk a little WL.

1260
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:46,840
Speaker 17: Hey, Josh, Well, thanks for having me. I'm an Auburn fan,

1261
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:49,520
Speaker 17: Auburn student. Actually my last time I serve at Auburn.

1262
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:52,280
Speaker 17: I spent a lot of time around the program as

1263
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:55,919
Speaker 17: a four year marching band member, and I just wanted

1264
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:58,120
Speaker 17: to get your insight. We've got Harson as the new coach.

1265
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:01,840
Speaker 17: He's kind of walking into a situation that a lot

1266
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:04,960
Speaker 17: of head coaches wouldn't really be complaining about. You've got

1267
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:07,800
Speaker 17: new facilities on the horizon, you've got a decent talent pool,

1268
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:11,040
Speaker 17: you got pretty experienced coordinators, it looks like on both

1269
00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:13,680
Speaker 17: sides of the ball. So with that being said, in

1270
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:17,240
Speaker 17: his first season, what would you do define what is

1271
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:18,919
Speaker 17: the first thing that you're going to be looking for,

1272
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:23,640
Speaker 17: the main thing as far as player development, recruiting, culture,

1273
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:26,760
Speaker 17: that you're going to be looking for to kind of

1274
00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:28,880
Speaker 17: define what kind of impact he's going to have on

1275
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:30,040
Speaker 17: the program.

1276
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:32,960
Speaker 1: Line of scrimmage play and then line of scrimmage recruiting.

1277
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:35,080
Speaker 1: That's a little ways down the road, but I'll tell

1278
00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:39,600
Speaker 1: you what I'm looking at. So they are inheriting a

1279
00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:42,000
Speaker 1: promising mess, I guess is the way I would describe

1280
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:44,880
Speaker 1: bo Nix right now, promising because he's very talented. I

1281
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:47,120
Speaker 1: don't think he was overrated one bit coming out of

1282
00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:49,640
Speaker 1: high school. The star rating we had on him, I

1283
00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:52,280
Speaker 1: think's fully accurate. Watched him in high school, was very

1284
00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:55,880
Speaker 1: very close to that program, Like every one of the

1285
00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:58,040
Speaker 1: top schools would have taken him. They were all after him,

1286
00:59:58,120 --> 01:00:00,439
Speaker 1: so they didn't all whiff on their evaluations. My point,

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Speaker 1: he went to a place that was very ill equipped

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Speaker 1: to develop him as a quarterback. He knew that, so

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Speaker 1: it was his decision. He's paid the price for it,

1290
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:10,360
Speaker 1: so forget about that. That's in the past. Now the

1291
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:13,520
Speaker 1: future is Harson comes in, hires Bobo, who's really good

1292
01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:17,440
Speaker 1: with quarterbacks, and they inherit a guy who's ultra talented,

1293
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:20,400
Speaker 1: but like, based on what I've heard out of Spring,

1294
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:24,040
Speaker 1: a vast majority of it's been spent deprogramming him. And

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01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:26,640
Speaker 1: my whole question has been, like, how far backwards do

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01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:28,800
Speaker 1: they have to go before they can then put it

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01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:30,720
Speaker 1: in drive and start to go forward. And I don't

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01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:33,120
Speaker 1: know that they're there yet, and so that'll be like

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01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:35,440
Speaker 1: a week over week deal. I don't think there's a

1300
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Speaker 1: quarterback in America this year who will probably look different

1301
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:42,880
Speaker 1: week one to week six, at least like experienced guys

1302
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:45,240
Speaker 1: them Bo Nicks. True freshman supposed to look like that,

1303
01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:48,080
Speaker 1: he's a third year starter, and yet he could look

1304
01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:50,720
Speaker 1: like Bambi just trying to get his feet under him

1305
01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:52,720
Speaker 1: in week one and then all of a sudden, You

1306
01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:54,880
Speaker 1: never know, Like it would be a best case scenario,

1307
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:56,480
Speaker 1: but you never know if all of a sudden Week

1308
01:00:56,520 --> 01:00:59,400
Speaker 1: six a week seven, you're not getting text from your buddies,

1309
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:01,360
Speaker 1: if you're like a Wyoming fan saying hey, man, this

1310
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:03,720
Speaker 1: Nick's dude at Auburn Like, I know it's your three,

1311
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:05,920
Speaker 1: but turn over to CBS, Like, look at him. He

1312
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:08,040
Speaker 1: looks like a different player all of a sudden. Maybe

1313
01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:11,480
Speaker 1: maybe Auburn's like some sleeper down here. That's unlikely, It's

1314
01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:14,480
Speaker 1: not impossible. We've seen crazier stuff than that happened before.

1315
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Speaker 2: All right, next tup, we've got Daniel.

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Speaker 25: Sorry about that, y'all.

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Speaker 1: So, Daniel, do you not do this stuff? Do you

1318
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:23,720
Speaker 1: not do podcasting? Whatnot?

1319
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:26,200
Speaker 26: Very First of all, it said your host muted you.

1320
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:29,240
Speaker 26: So I came in ready to go, but I think

1321
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:31,320
Speaker 26: I was crinkling my water and so it's probably messing

1322
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:31,840
Speaker 26: up the stream.

1323
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:33,280
Speaker 27: So my apology was.

1324
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Speaker 1: Give you an opportunity to plug your podcast. That's what

1325
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:36,280
Speaker 1: I was trying to.

1326
01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:39,240
Speaker 26: Yeah, follow us at the Extra Point Pod on Instagram

1327
01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:39,800
Speaker 26: and Facebook.

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01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:40,520
Speaker 25: Thank you very much.

1329
01:01:40,680 --> 01:01:42,720
Speaker 26: Look at you reaching down and helping us out.

1330
01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:45,720
Speaker 1: Look at you completely missing the bump in the stet.

1331
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:46,120
Speaker 1: Go ahead.

1332
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Speaker 26: I'm a humble guy, you know. Follow me at Deep

1333
01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:53,480
Speaker 26: South Daniel on face on Twitter. Anyways, No, my question

1334
01:01:53,560 --> 01:01:56,920
Speaker 26: is actually about rivalries. To me, that's the best part

1335
01:01:56,920 --> 01:02:00,000
Speaker 26: of college football. We just talked about Auburn obviously, all

1336
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:05,360
Speaker 26: it's got several great rivalries with like Georgia Clemson playing

1337
01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:08,840
Speaker 26: this year, it's reminding me, hey, this is a rivalry

1338
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:12,680
Speaker 26: that really should happen. It's a great regional game. But

1339
01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:15,560
Speaker 26: it made me start thinking, what are some good rivalries

1340
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Speaker 26: that you would like to see that aren't rivalries? They're

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01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:22,240
Speaker 26: not two teams that go together currently, What are you know,

1342
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Speaker 26: two or three different you know, maybe just one that

1343
01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:28,240
Speaker 26: you'd like to see two non rival teams bring them

1344
01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:30,480
Speaker 26: together and make them play every year.

1345
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Speaker 1: I would love so. I'd love to see A and

1346
01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:36,080
Speaker 1: M in Texas. That's an old rivalry. I would love

1347
01:02:36,120 --> 01:02:39,200
Speaker 1: to see that renewed. I'd love to see LSU Texas

1348
01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:40,640
Speaker 1: sounds like, I'm a Texas grad. I would love to

1349
01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:45,560
Speaker 1: see LSU Texas be an every year thing. I also like,

1350
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Speaker 1: I'd love to see someone like Oklahoma play someone like

1351
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:51,080
Speaker 1: Alabama every year. Those are those are two programs that

1352
01:02:51,240 --> 01:02:54,880
Speaker 1: to me like they seem very similar, color schemes, very similar,

1353
01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:57,360
Speaker 1: tradition is very similar. I'm not saying the trophy cases

1354
01:02:57,400 --> 01:03:00,760
Speaker 1: exactly line up, although Oklahoma's is very impress too, But

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Speaker 1: I would love to see something like that and then

1356
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:05,960
Speaker 1: also I'm a big fan when I was growing up. Now,

1357
01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:07,800
Speaker 1: this happened long before I was born, but when I

1358
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:10,640
Speaker 1: was growing up, I used to always see, like my

1359
01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:13,520
Speaker 1: dad have VHS tapes of really really old games when

1360
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Speaker 1: he was growing up, and I would look at how

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Speaker 1: big a deal it was when Southern cal would come

1362
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Speaker 1: to the South to play like Alabama or someone like that.

1363
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Speaker 1: At that point it would have been in Birmingham, or

1364
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Speaker 1: if they played Georgia or Penn State plays Georgia. I

1365
01:03:25,640 --> 01:03:29,000
Speaker 1: want to get like those those geographical matchups and so

1366
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Speaker 1: you've got like the old school rivalry like Texas and Texas,

1367
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Speaker 1: A and M. But I also am a big fan

1368
01:03:33,640 --> 01:03:38,320
Speaker 1: of pitting geographical regions against each other. So you know,

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Speaker 1: like it would be any of Ohio State Florida or

1370
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Speaker 1: Penn State, LSU, or like US versus Georgia, stuff like that.

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Speaker 26: I was gonna say something recent like putt in Ohio

1372
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Speaker 26: State versus Alabama. Two that are basically pacing ahead of

1373
01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:55,760
Speaker 26: their whole conference. It'd be great to see them. You know,

1374
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Speaker 26: someone have to end up with the loss in the

1375
01:03:58,160 --> 01:04:00,320
Speaker 26: you know, in the L column, you know, early in

1376
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Speaker 26: the season or at any point in the season, something

1377
01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:05,320
Speaker 26: that you could count on to, you know, behemoths like that.

1378
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Speaker 26: But yeah, I like LC Texas.

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Speaker 1: As long as we understood how to properly interpret those

1380
01:04:10,160 --> 01:04:13,480
Speaker 1: losses then and I think a lot of other people

1381
01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:15,720
Speaker 1: they understand that when they're scheduling in the future. If

1382
01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:17,240
Speaker 1: you look at it, we're gonna have to know how

1383
01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:19,680
Speaker 1: to interpret losses. A win is not a win in

1384
01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:22,400
Speaker 1: college football. And that's a longer than twenty five minute discussion,

1385
01:04:22,520 --> 01:04:24,560
Speaker 1: but it's a very strong stance of mine.

1386
01:04:25,240 --> 01:04:27,800
Speaker 2: All right, Up next is Jason. He's got a question

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Speaker 2: about the best coordinators in college football.

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Speaker 27: Yeah, I was just you know, thinking a little bit

1389
01:04:32,520 --> 01:04:37,080
Speaker 27: back to ninety six when Stukes kind of joined Spurrier

1390
01:04:37,240 --> 01:04:40,680
Speaker 27: staff and that was really their breakthrough year. Or maybe

1391
01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:44,320
Speaker 27: you look at Brady and Lsu back in twenty nineteen,

1392
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Speaker 27: maybe more recently, but who would you say are the

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Speaker 27: game changing or the best offensive and defensive coordinators in

1394
01:04:54,120 --> 01:04:57,680
Speaker 27: the SEC? And then maybe you know highlight one or

1395
01:04:57,720 --> 01:05:01,760
Speaker 27: two nationally. And the a little disqualifier here is if

1396
01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:05,919
Speaker 27: like if Mumlin is calling his own offense, then let's

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01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:10,200
Speaker 27: not count him. Let's count like a pure offensive coordinator.

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Speaker 27: That's an assistant coach.

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Speaker 1: Yep, Jason, what time is it where you're at right now?

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Speaker 27: It is eight fifteen in the morning on Thursday.

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01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:21,160
Speaker 1: And that is because you are aware right now.

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Speaker 27: I'm in Hong Kong.

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Speaker 1: I just wanted to put that on the record, Thank you, sir.

1404
01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:27,320
Speaker 1: And so you're gonna eat breakfast immediately when we get

1405
01:05:27,320 --> 01:05:30,240
Speaker 1: done here. So I would say, I'm gonna go way

1406
01:05:30,240 --> 01:05:33,320
Speaker 1: off the radar. I think maybe for Southern fans. Jim

1407
01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:35,560
Speaker 1: Leonard at Wisconsin is to me one of the best

1408
01:05:35,560 --> 01:05:39,680
Speaker 1: defensive coordinators in America. He had an offer from the

1409
01:05:39,720 --> 01:05:42,480
Speaker 1: Packers and he turned it down to stay Wisconsin. And

1410
01:05:42,560 --> 01:05:44,920
Speaker 1: it wasn't one of those deals where oh, his agent

1411
01:05:45,040 --> 01:05:47,600
Speaker 1: floated rumors of him having an offer, but it wasn't

1412
01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:50,320
Speaker 1: really there. Jim Leonard could have been the defensive coordinator

1413
01:05:50,320 --> 01:05:51,960
Speaker 1: of the Packers if he wanted to. And I don't

1414
01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:53,760
Speaker 1: know if anyone's ever been to Wisconsin, but the Packers

1415
01:05:53,800 --> 01:05:55,439
Speaker 1: are a pretty big deal up there, and he turned

1416
01:05:55,440 --> 01:05:58,320
Speaker 1: it down to stay with the University of Wisconsin. So

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Speaker 1: I would go Leonard. You know, there's one that's interesting.

1418
01:06:01,360 --> 01:06:05,160
Speaker 1: We were just talking about this program. Sarkesian obviously was

1419
01:06:05,160 --> 01:06:07,960
Speaker 1: at Alabama, it just went to Texas. I thought he

1420
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:09,840
Speaker 1: did a as good a job last year as any

1421
01:06:09,880 --> 01:06:12,400
Speaker 1: coordinator I've ever seen, like Joe Brady was the year

1422
01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:15,520
Speaker 1: before at LSU, than what sark did last year was

1423
01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:18,800
Speaker 1: so incredible, to the point where that was such a

1424
01:06:18,920 --> 01:06:22,520
Speaker 1: system thing, It was such a perfected scheme that by

1425
01:06:22,560 --> 01:06:24,400
Speaker 1: the time they got to the title game. I don't

1426
01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:25,880
Speaker 1: know how well you guys remember this. I mean you

1427
01:06:25,880 --> 01:06:29,160
Speaker 1: probably turned it off. There was a point where obviously

1428
01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:31,360
Speaker 1: Waddle was never one hundred percent that night, but then

1429
01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:34,000
Speaker 1: they lost Davonte Smith too, and so there was a

1430
01:06:34,040 --> 01:06:36,240
Speaker 1: span where, if you'd like pinpointed that moment in time,

1431
01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:38,960
Speaker 1: over the course of that last year, leading up to

1432
01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:42,600
Speaker 1: that moment, Steve Sarkisian had lost Jerry Judy, Henry Ruggs,

1433
01:06:42,680 --> 01:06:45,560
Speaker 1: and then Jalen Waddle and then DeVante Smith for four

1434
01:06:45,680 --> 01:06:49,080
Speaker 1: superstar first round all time college greats, and they were

1435
01:06:49,080 --> 01:06:50,560
Speaker 1: still just moving the ball up and down the field.

1436
01:06:50,600 --> 01:06:52,480
Speaker 1: On Ohio State, they outscored him, I think from that

1437
01:06:52,520 --> 01:06:55,919
Speaker 1: point in the game fourteen to nothing. So my point

1438
01:06:55,920 --> 01:06:58,280
Speaker 1: in saying that is Sark's now the head coach at Texas.

1439
01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:02,880
Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien took his job, and so Bill O'Brien, who

1440
01:07:02,920 --> 01:07:05,000
Speaker 1: was the head coach of the Tech Suns not too

1441
01:07:05,040 --> 01:07:08,320
Speaker 1: long ago, is now the offensive coordinator at Alabama. He

1442
01:07:08,440 --> 01:07:10,200
Speaker 1: could be the answer here. There's no way to know

1443
01:07:10,240 --> 01:07:11,880
Speaker 1: because we haven't had that game yet, or we haven't

1444
01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:13,840
Speaker 1: had any game with him as the OC there yet.

1445
01:07:13,840 --> 01:07:16,120
Speaker 1: But what I'm wondering and what I'm going to focus

1446
01:07:16,120 --> 01:07:19,400
Speaker 1: on a lot of the off season is is Alabama

1447
01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:22,680
Speaker 1: one of these places like Oklahoma now to where it

1448
01:07:22,720 --> 01:07:25,200
Speaker 1: doesn't matter who comes through there. They have such a

1449
01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:29,080
Speaker 1: perfected culture and offensive culture and offensive system that instead

1450
01:07:29,120 --> 01:07:32,240
Speaker 1: of the entire program adjusting to whoever that coach is,

1451
01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:35,240
Speaker 1: that coach comes in and adjust to what the program

1452
01:07:35,360 --> 01:07:39,520
Speaker 1: is and it's just like plug and play. So I

1453
01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:43,120
Speaker 1: know that's kind of hypothetical. I wonder if Bill O'Brien

1454
01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:45,320
Speaker 1: is the answer or one of the answers here, even

1455
01:07:45,360 --> 01:07:48,800
Speaker 1: though he's never called a play for Alabama before. Todd

1456
01:07:48,880 --> 01:07:52,520
Speaker 1: Munkin at Georgia is another interesting concept that we also

1457
01:07:52,560 --> 01:07:54,800
Speaker 1: really haven't gotten a full flavor of because they didn't

1458
01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:57,439
Speaker 1: get the chance in spring installs last year to really

1459
01:07:57,440 --> 01:07:59,560
Speaker 1: put in what they wanted to put in. So to me,

1460
01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:02,800
Speaker 1: we had one of those year zero situations with Georgia

1461
01:08:02,840 --> 01:08:04,600
Speaker 1: offensively last year, and now this year we get the

1462
01:08:04,680 --> 01:08:08,760
Speaker 1: year one, full off season under your belt, full spring

1463
01:08:08,800 --> 01:08:12,040
Speaker 1: with JT. Daniels under your belt, lost pickings, so we

1464
01:08:12,080 --> 01:08:13,720
Speaker 1: got a lot of receiver talent there. It could probably

1465
01:08:13,720 --> 01:08:16,360
Speaker 1: and will probably hit up the transfer portal after spring.

1466
01:08:16,479 --> 01:08:21,000
Speaker 1: So those are a couple names, you know, Like I'm

1467
01:08:21,040 --> 01:08:23,760
Speaker 1: trying to think those would be where I would go

1468
01:08:25,760 --> 01:08:29,599
Speaker 1: understanding before the season, will do like our full offensive

1469
01:08:29,640 --> 01:08:33,280
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator, like hierarchy deal on lake kicks. So that's

1470
01:08:33,280 --> 01:08:36,880
Speaker 1: when I'll dive into that a whole lot more. Yeah, Yeah,

1471
01:08:36,920 --> 01:08:39,160
Speaker 1: I mean Venables is so established that I almost like

1472
01:08:39,200 --> 01:08:41,519
Speaker 1: look over him right Like if you would ask who

1473
01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:44,120
Speaker 1: are the best head coaches? I would kind of assume that,

1474
01:08:44,720 --> 01:08:46,920
Speaker 1: say it is there, and like we're looking past him. Yeah,

1475
01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:50,599
Speaker 1: Brent Venables. Venables is good in a lot of ways,

1476
01:08:50,720 --> 01:08:53,960
Speaker 1: but he's really good because of the multiplicity, which we

1477
01:08:53,960 --> 01:08:56,080
Speaker 1: talked about in one of the sessions we've already had tonight.

1478
01:08:57,120 --> 01:08:59,120
Speaker 1: That is the new age. Defensively, You're not going to

1479
01:08:59,160 --> 01:09:02,520
Speaker 1: be great every year, but they understand how to be situational,

1480
01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:05,000
Speaker 1: They understand how not to look the same way week

1481
01:09:05,040 --> 01:09:08,640
Speaker 1: to week, but also have the ability to beat you

1482
01:09:08,680 --> 01:09:11,720
Speaker 1: with athletes instead of just scheme, which is a lot

1483
01:09:11,760 --> 01:09:12,280
Speaker 1: more rigid.

1484
01:09:12,720 --> 01:09:15,439
Speaker 24: Yeah, like the three safety thing that I did with

1485
01:09:15,439 --> 01:09:16,920
Speaker 24: Simmons against Ohio State just.

1486
01:09:17,280 --> 01:09:19,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's not on tape, like you haven't done

1487
01:09:19,479 --> 01:09:21,439
Speaker 1: it against anyone else. But yet when you watch your

1488
01:09:21,439 --> 01:09:23,759
Speaker 1: guys out there, it's not a Chinese fire driller or anything.

1489
01:09:23,920 --> 01:09:26,400
Speaker 1: Hat tip, Jason, it's not a Chinese fire driller or anything.

1490
01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:28,640
Speaker 1: Like they know exactly what they're doing. It looks like

1491
01:09:28,680 --> 01:09:30,760
Speaker 1: they run it every week, and it's because it's not

1492
01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:35,719
Speaker 1: overly complicated, but you've got the athletes, like I've talked

1493
01:09:35,720 --> 01:09:38,839
Speaker 1: to some people around Brent Vinnables for example, and whereas

1494
01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:40,800
Speaker 1: the rumor used to be he's going to be a

1495
01:09:40,880 --> 01:09:43,120
Speaker 1: head coach one day, he may still be a head

1496
01:09:43,160 --> 01:09:44,680
Speaker 1: coach one day, but he's kind of let it be

1497
01:09:44,800 --> 01:09:48,200
Speaker 1: known to people that he is not going to go

1498
01:09:48,280 --> 01:09:50,679
Speaker 1: somewhere to be a head coach unless it is somewhere

1499
01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:53,800
Speaker 1: like Kirby did with Georgia, or Lincoln Riley did, or

1500
01:09:53,880 --> 01:09:56,479
Speaker 1: Ryan Day did with Oklahoma and Ohio State, where he

1501
01:09:56,560 --> 01:09:58,479
Speaker 1: has this access to the same kind of talent. He

1502
01:09:58,479 --> 01:10:00,280
Speaker 1: has it Clemson right now because he's he done it

1503
01:10:00,320 --> 01:10:02,960
Speaker 1: both ways. He's done it with inferior talent, he's done

1504
01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:05,920
Speaker 1: it with superior talent. And funny thing happens once you

1505
01:10:05,960 --> 01:10:08,240
Speaker 1: coach superior talent and you find out all the things

1506
01:10:08,240 --> 01:10:09,960
Speaker 1: that lets you do and how multiple it lets you be,

1507
01:10:10,240 --> 01:10:12,160
Speaker 1: you don't really want to go back to the inferior

1508
01:10:12,240 --> 01:10:15,120
Speaker 1: route where you got to you know, like keep your

1509
01:10:15,160 --> 01:10:18,000
Speaker 1: head above water every week to draw breath, and so like,

1510
01:10:18,680 --> 01:10:20,160
Speaker 1: I think that's where a lot of people are headed.

1511
01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:24,160
Speaker 2: All right up next to otsee, he has got a

1512
01:10:24,360 --> 01:10:29,120
Speaker 2: question about college football actually separating itself from the nc

1513
01:10:29,240 --> 01:10:29,560
Speaker 2: double A.

1514
01:10:30,080 --> 01:10:33,839
Speaker 28: Yeah, Hey, Josh, Texas A and m fan here, i'd

1515
01:10:33,920 --> 01:10:36,519
Speaker 28: I've heard this on other media sources, and I believe

1516
01:10:36,520 --> 01:10:37,800
Speaker 28: heard it on your show.

1517
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:38,400
Speaker 1: Before as well.

1518
01:10:38,439 --> 01:10:43,400
Speaker 28: But the rumor of college football separating itself from the

1519
01:10:43,479 --> 01:10:47,639
Speaker 28: NCAA and kind of creating its own governing body, where

1520
01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:50,920
Speaker 28: do you see the biggest benefit in the sport if

1521
01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:53,000
Speaker 28: something like this work to be done.

1522
01:10:53,840 --> 01:10:58,479
Speaker 1: Governance is to me the biggest draw there. Governance meaning

1523
01:10:58,680 --> 01:11:04,519
Speaker 1: instead of outside we're seeing compliance and enforcement, you kind

1524
01:11:04,520 --> 01:11:06,880
Speaker 1: of handle it in house. So I think right now,

1525
01:11:07,240 --> 01:11:10,160
Speaker 1: there are a lot of aspects of the NC DOUBLEA

1526
01:11:10,320 --> 01:11:14,400
Speaker 1: enforcement model that are badly outdated and antiquated. But it's

1527
01:11:14,439 --> 01:11:16,519
Speaker 1: not I know, I know, the NC double A is

1528
01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:19,720
Speaker 1: like a dartboard and everyone just likes to throw at them.

1529
01:11:19,800 --> 01:11:21,880
Speaker 1: I do too, I participate in that. But in a

1530
01:11:21,920 --> 01:11:24,839
Speaker 1: lot of cases, like the NC double A is only

1531
01:11:24,920 --> 01:11:28,280
Speaker 1: what the individual presence made. The NC double A. It's

1532
01:11:28,320 --> 01:11:30,080
Speaker 1: kind of like Roger Goodell is only what the team

1533
01:11:30,120 --> 01:11:33,800
Speaker 1: president's made Roger Goodell. And so you've got to have

1534
01:11:34,240 --> 01:11:38,040
Speaker 1: a situation where I think if you're of the mindset,

1535
01:11:38,120 --> 01:11:41,040
Speaker 1: let's say that you want this split to happen, the

1536
01:11:41,080 --> 01:11:45,080
Speaker 1: split would be because someone at the University of Oklahoma

1537
01:11:45,280 --> 01:11:49,080
Speaker 1: would say, there is no way that Tulsa should have

1538
01:11:49,120 --> 01:11:51,479
Speaker 1: the exact same voice in this room that we do.

1539
01:11:51,680 --> 01:11:55,080
Speaker 1: We're more powerful, We're more important, Is it Erica? Yeah?

1540
01:11:55,160 --> 01:11:58,040
Speaker 1: Is it true? Also? Probably yeah? And so that's where

1541
01:11:58,040 --> 01:12:00,320
Speaker 1: I think that would come from. And in this new

1542
01:12:00,400 --> 01:12:05,360
Speaker 1: world where you have self governance and you have self compliance,

1543
01:12:05,400 --> 01:12:07,719
Speaker 1: and byself I mean kind of policing your own self,

1544
01:12:08,360 --> 01:12:11,400
Speaker 1: I think that also the seat at the table, the

1545
01:12:11,439 --> 01:12:16,400
Speaker 1: size of your seat would be directly proportioned to I

1546
01:12:16,439 --> 01:12:19,960
Speaker 1: guess your value define it however you want to, metrics wise,

1547
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:23,120
Speaker 1: but how valuable are you to where you know, Oklahoma

1548
01:12:23,360 --> 01:12:26,960
Speaker 1: has a bigger seat than Texas San Antonio does it?

1549
01:12:27,000 --> 01:12:29,120
Speaker 1: Maybe UTS is not even in the room at that point.

1550
01:12:29,320 --> 01:12:31,559
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think it all comes back to compliance

1551
01:12:31,560 --> 01:12:33,880
Speaker 1: and enforcement. I think that's really what the benefit would be.

1552
01:12:34,680 --> 01:12:37,439
Speaker 28: Okay, And do you see like a route of this

1553
01:12:37,600 --> 01:12:41,240
Speaker 28: where you know, if a new governing body did take place,

1554
01:12:41,280 --> 01:12:43,879
Speaker 28: where you'd have more of a model like like the NFL,

1555
01:12:43,960 --> 01:12:48,320
Speaker 28: where it'd be, Hey, we you known TV revenue is

1556
01:12:48,360 --> 01:12:51,840
Speaker 28: going to be you know, split amongst all the conferences equally,

1557
01:12:52,040 --> 01:12:55,480
Speaker 28: or you know, we're going to handle the scheduling for everybody.

1558
01:12:55,520 --> 01:12:58,120
Speaker 28: You know, weaker teams get like a last place schedule

1559
01:12:58,240 --> 01:13:01,080
Speaker 28: and like Alabama gets it's like a first place schedule.

1560
01:13:01,439 --> 01:13:04,360
Speaker 28: Is that somewhat of a possibility or do you think

1561
01:13:04,760 --> 01:13:08,599
Speaker 28: the universities and conferences like having that control and well

1562
01:13:09,000 --> 01:13:10,400
Speaker 28: won't like relinquish it.

1563
01:13:10,600 --> 01:13:12,960
Speaker 1: They're never relinquishing that. I mean you would have to

1564
01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:14,800
Speaker 1: pry it out of their cold dead hands. They would

1565
01:13:14,880 --> 01:13:17,880
Speaker 1: never relinquish that. And that is the drawback, Like that's

1566
01:13:17,920 --> 01:13:21,040
Speaker 1: the hang up because when we talk about splitting Okay,

1567
01:13:21,040 --> 01:13:23,880
Speaker 1: are we totally splitting away or are we just doing

1568
01:13:23,920 --> 01:13:27,600
Speaker 1: it in some ways? Whereas you maintain your autonomy in

1569
01:13:27,680 --> 01:13:31,240
Speaker 1: schedule making, but yet we have collectivism when it comes

1570
01:13:31,320 --> 01:13:34,320
Speaker 1: to enforcement that we agree on these sixty teams or

1571
01:13:34,320 --> 01:13:37,519
Speaker 1: eighty teams or whoever it is. The point is you

1572
01:13:37,560 --> 01:13:39,960
Speaker 1: can tell it's like trying to grab fog or nail

1573
01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:41,840
Speaker 1: jello to the wall, or whatever metaphor you want to use.

1574
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:44,439
Speaker 1: It's not easy to answer cause fifteen different people would

1575
01:13:44,479 --> 01:13:47,320
Speaker 1: have fifteen different ways to answer it. So it's fun

1576
01:13:47,360 --> 01:13:49,040
Speaker 1: to say. And if you were to ask, it's like

1577
01:13:49,080 --> 01:13:51,320
Speaker 1: playoff expansion. When you ask people is it going to happen?

1578
01:13:51,400 --> 01:13:55,040
Speaker 1: Everyone says, oh, yeah, it's inevitable when and how, And

1579
01:13:55,080 --> 01:13:57,880
Speaker 1: then they go, I don't know, it's just inevitable. And

1580
01:13:57,920 --> 01:14:00,439
Speaker 1: then you're like no closer to it happening at the

1581
01:14:00,479 --> 01:14:02,559
Speaker 1: end of the conversation than you were when you walked

1582
01:14:02,600 --> 01:14:03,000
Speaker 1: in the room.

1583
01:14:03,560 --> 01:14:06,320
Speaker 2: All right, Ben is going to wrap us up. He

1584
01:14:06,439 --> 01:14:09,240
Speaker 2: actually has a question about Kirby Smart at Georgia.

1585
01:14:10,240 --> 01:14:13,639
Speaker 29: So, going in the last year as a Florida fan,

1586
01:14:13,800 --> 01:14:16,760
Speaker 29: we expected to win the East and because we had

1587
01:14:16,760 --> 01:14:20,439
Speaker 29: their turning quarterback, their turning the production. So this year,

1588
01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:23,880
Speaker 29: now that Georgia has those expectations and Kirby already has

1589
01:14:23,920 --> 01:14:26,840
Speaker 29: already won the East multiple times when the SEC gone

1590
01:14:26,840 --> 01:14:31,280
Speaker 29: to the playoffs, and he has those expectations again, where

1591
01:14:31,280 --> 01:14:33,599
Speaker 29: would you where would he be in twenty twenty two

1592
01:14:33,760 --> 01:14:37,120
Speaker 29: if he does not meet one of those expectations. If

1593
01:14:37,120 --> 01:14:38,680
Speaker 29: he doesn't win the East and he doesn't make the

1594
01:14:38,680 --> 01:14:42,400
Speaker 29: playoff and then it's not due to injury.

1595
01:14:43,600 --> 01:14:48,360
Speaker 1: I think it'd be in a prove it position, not

1596
01:14:48,439 --> 01:14:50,360
Speaker 1: prove it or else. I don't think there would be

1597
01:14:50,360 --> 01:14:52,360
Speaker 1: any hot seat Let me scratch that. There would be

1598
01:14:52,400 --> 01:14:55,160
Speaker 1: hot seat talk. There would be no valid hot seat talk.

1599
01:14:55,200 --> 01:14:59,320
Speaker 1: So let me put it that way. He has every

1600
01:14:59,360 --> 01:15:02,240
Speaker 1: resource that he needs at his disposal, and I think

1601
01:15:02,280 --> 01:15:04,920
Speaker 1: we all understand that. At the same time, it's still

1602
01:15:04,960 --> 01:15:07,320
Speaker 1: really really hard to win at this level. He has

1603
01:15:07,360 --> 01:15:09,840
Speaker 1: not had like a down year after his first year.

1604
01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:12,040
Speaker 1: He has not had that down year yet, he has

1605
01:15:12,040 --> 01:15:15,800
Speaker 1: not had that recycling year like they've been there. They've

1606
01:15:15,800 --> 01:15:18,840
Speaker 1: been either there or right at the precipice every single

1607
01:15:18,880 --> 01:15:22,160
Speaker 1: season since his first season. So you get afforded that.

1608
01:15:22,240 --> 01:15:23,920
Speaker 1: I'm not saying if it happened, if it happens this year,

1609
01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:26,000
Speaker 1: it happens this year or two years down the road, whatever.

1610
01:15:26,640 --> 01:15:28,840
Speaker 1: I don't think there'd be any kind of serious conversation

1611
01:15:29,200 --> 01:15:31,519
Speaker 1: about any kind of job security after this year if

1612
01:15:31,520 --> 01:15:34,360
Speaker 1: they went nine to three, and if there was, here's

1613
01:15:34,360 --> 01:15:36,160
Speaker 1: all you'd have to do. All you'd have to do

1614
01:15:36,240 --> 01:15:39,000
Speaker 1: if you're his representation, is do what James Franklin's folks

1615
01:15:39,040 --> 01:15:43,080
Speaker 1: always do. Float rumors about the NFL, or float rumors

1616
01:15:43,120 --> 01:15:45,720
Speaker 1: about Southern cal coming after him, and as soon as

1617
01:15:45,720 --> 01:15:49,360
Speaker 1: that happens, everyone magically falls in line and the loyalty

1618
01:15:49,400 --> 01:15:51,400
Speaker 1: is back. That's how you play that game.

1619
01:15:52,040 --> 01:15:54,840
Speaker 29: Well, I mean, my buddy who's a Georgia fan, he's

1620
01:15:54,840 --> 01:15:57,000
Speaker 29: always gone into the I don't want this to be

1621
01:15:57,040 --> 01:16:00,160
Speaker 29: another mark or situation where we're going fifteen years and

1622
01:16:00,240 --> 01:16:02,320
Speaker 29: we have a team every three or four years that

1623
01:16:02,360 --> 01:16:06,839
Speaker 29: can make the national championship then just absolutely just bombs

1624
01:16:06,840 --> 01:16:10,599
Speaker 29: the SEC championship or a bad play doesn't go their way.

1625
01:16:11,200 --> 01:16:13,920
Speaker 1: Like so, let me just I'm just going to think

1626
01:16:13,960 --> 01:16:19,000
Speaker 1: about this. How old your friend he's seventeen, Okay, so

1627
01:16:19,080 --> 01:16:24,120
Speaker 1: this is understandable to have at the University of Georgia.

1628
01:16:24,200 --> 01:16:27,320
Speaker 1: A team that's capable of a national title only every

1629
01:16:27,320 --> 01:16:29,720
Speaker 1: three or four years. When you relate that to what

1630
01:16:29,760 --> 01:16:33,720
Speaker 1: their history has been, that's phenomenal. Mark Rickt had a

1631
01:16:33,720 --> 01:16:37,240
Speaker 1: phenomenal stretch there. If you're young, even if you're my age,

1632
01:16:37,640 --> 01:16:39,760
Speaker 1: you didn't get to see like all those years in

1633
01:16:39,800 --> 01:16:42,960
Speaker 1: the seventies, eighties, nineties. Now there were brief periods of

1634
01:16:42,960 --> 01:16:46,120
Speaker 1: being elite, but by and large it was mediocrity. You

1635
01:16:46,200 --> 01:16:48,559
Speaker 1: talk to sixty year old Georgia fans and they understand

1636
01:16:48,560 --> 01:16:50,760
Speaker 1: this a little bit more like they don't speak about

1637
01:16:50,800 --> 01:16:53,640
Speaker 1: the Mark Rickt era in such an irreverent tone as

1638
01:16:53,680 --> 01:16:56,040
Speaker 1: some of the younger folks, even my age and younger do.

1639
01:16:56,760 --> 01:16:58,880
Speaker 1: A lot of the younger folks look at it and say, man,

1640
01:16:58,920 --> 01:17:00,679
Speaker 1: we're only going to be as good as we were

1641
01:17:00,720 --> 01:17:03,320
Speaker 1: when Ricked was here. It's really good to be as

1642
01:17:03,400 --> 01:17:05,840
Speaker 1: good as you were when Ricked was there. I get

1643
01:17:05,840 --> 01:17:08,320
Speaker 1: what the expectation, though, is Now there's never been more

1644
01:17:08,360 --> 01:17:10,200
Speaker 1: investment in the program. There's never been more attention on

1645
01:17:10,200 --> 01:17:12,719
Speaker 1: the program. You got this like eight hundred pound elephant

1646
01:17:13,400 --> 01:17:16,880
Speaker 1: kind of literally, kind of figuratively over in Tuscaloosa, and

1647
01:17:16,960 --> 01:17:20,519
Speaker 1: that's what everyone's trying to match. You get the blessing

1648
01:17:20,520 --> 01:17:22,599
Speaker 1: of having the resources, you get the curse of taking

1649
01:17:22,640 --> 01:17:24,880
Speaker 1: the resource and have and try and beat that. So

1650
01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:27,240
Speaker 1: I get it. I'm practical, but I'm pragmatic about this.

1651
01:17:27,280 --> 01:17:30,080
Speaker 1: I understand how that works. But I just always kind

1652
01:17:30,080 --> 01:17:31,640
Speaker 1: of laugh when someone says, man, we're not going to

1653
01:17:31,640 --> 01:17:33,320
Speaker 1: be any better than we were against Mark Rick. Well,

1654
01:17:33,320 --> 01:17:35,000
Speaker 1: the fact of the matter is, on a scale of

1655
01:17:35,000 --> 01:17:37,240
Speaker 1: one to ten, ten being the best you could be.

1656
01:17:38,400 --> 01:17:40,439
Speaker 1: Georgia was like a seven and a half or an eight.

1657
01:17:40,840 --> 01:17:42,720
Speaker 1: But people think he was like a two or a three,

1658
01:17:42,800 --> 01:17:44,680
Speaker 1: and there's nowhere to go but up from there, And

1659
01:17:44,680 --> 01:17:47,000
Speaker 1: that's not the case. There's a lot further to fall

1660
01:17:47,040 --> 01:17:50,559
Speaker 1: from more Rick than there is room to climb from him. Okay,

1661
01:17:50,680 --> 01:17:50,960
Speaker 1: thank you.

1662
01:17:51,920 --> 01:17:54,679
Speaker 28: If I could comment on that, I think Nick Saban

1663
01:17:54,760 --> 01:17:59,719
Speaker 28: has truly skewed the expectations of most fan bases.

1664
01:18:00,040 --> 01:18:02,559
Speaker 1: Yeah you think so. Yeah, let me let me use

1665
01:18:02,560 --> 01:18:06,160
Speaker 1: another word, totally ruined the expectations. Yeah.

1666
01:18:06,200 --> 01:18:09,439
Speaker 28: So, like like Georgia, like you mentioned, is there almost

1667
01:18:09,479 --> 01:18:12,519
Speaker 28: every other year. They're in the SEC Championship every year,

1668
01:18:12,680 --> 01:18:15,880
Speaker 28: National Championship not too long ago. To expect them to

1669
01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:19,200
Speaker 28: be there every single year, like Alabama is almost a

1670
01:18:19,240 --> 01:18:22,640
Speaker 28: little unrealistic. And I think that's where situations like like

1671
01:18:22,720 --> 01:18:26,000
Speaker 28: at Texas are become really toxic, where if you if

1672
01:18:26,040 --> 01:18:28,160
Speaker 28: you if you're not in the national championship by year

1673
01:18:28,160 --> 01:18:31,320
Speaker 28: three and are there every other year, then you're out

1674
01:18:31,520 --> 01:18:33,800
Speaker 28: and you know, there's only one man that's done that

1675
01:18:33,840 --> 01:18:34,840
Speaker 28: before and it's safe.

1676
01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:37,880
Speaker 1: That's it. That's what we're all going to choose to

1677
01:18:37,920 --> 01:18:40,639
Speaker 1: measure our programs against the one exception to the rule.

1678
01:18:40,680 --> 01:18:42,720
Speaker 1: That's a great strategy. I think it's very healthy for

1679
01:18:42,760 --> 01:18:43,120
Speaker 1: the sport.

1680
01:18:43,120 --> 01:18:46,439
Speaker 24: By the way, my dad actually has a sixty year

1681
01:18:46,439 --> 01:18:48,640
Speaker 24: old Georgia fan and he's exactly what you'd described.

1682
01:18:48,680 --> 01:18:51,679
Speaker 1: So me and your dad are in good company. Stewart.

1683
01:18:51,720 --> 01:18:54,719
Speaker 1: More people need to follow us. That's what I'm trying

1684
01:18:54,720 --> 01:18:55,160
Speaker 1: to get there.

1685
01:18:56,240 --> 01:18:58,080
Speaker 2: All right, We're going to go over to Cole. He

1686
01:18:58,479 --> 01:19:04,720
Speaker 2: has uh question about reigning P five Conference champions being dethroned.

1687
01:19:05,240 --> 01:19:08,080
Speaker 30: Yeah, Josha, pleasure to be on the show. My question

1688
01:19:08,200 --> 01:19:12,920
Speaker 30: was based on the reigning champs. I'm hesitant to believe

1689
01:19:12,920 --> 01:19:16,719
Speaker 30: that we'll see a new champion in the Power five,

1690
01:19:18,120 --> 01:19:23,920
Speaker 30: But my question is what has to happen for the

1691
01:19:23,960 --> 01:19:25,840
Speaker 30: teams that are kind of hiding in the shadow to

1692
01:19:26,080 --> 01:19:29,120
Speaker 30: not only win a game this year, but to conquer

1693
01:19:29,320 --> 01:19:33,240
Speaker 30: and emerge as a new champion four years to come.

1694
01:19:34,960 --> 01:19:39,040
Speaker 1: Initially, I think a lot of folks would say something's

1695
01:19:39,080 --> 01:19:41,880
Speaker 1: got to happen to Alabama. I don't go that far,

1696
01:19:42,320 --> 01:19:46,000
Speaker 1: only cause Alabama's been beaten, Like they got beaten twenty nineteen,

1697
01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:48,520
Speaker 1: they got beaten twenty eighteen. So it's not like it's impossible.

1698
01:19:48,600 --> 01:19:51,200
Speaker 1: You do have to have your act together. But what

1699
01:19:51,360 --> 01:19:53,320
Speaker 1: really has to happen is someone has to get quarterback

1700
01:19:53,360 --> 01:19:55,800
Speaker 1: figured out. It's no mystery why LSU was able to

1701
01:19:55,800 --> 01:19:58,000
Speaker 1: do what they did in twenty nineteen. It's no mystery

1702
01:19:58,200 --> 01:20:01,080
Speaker 1: why it was Clemson, of all teams that beat Alabama

1703
01:20:01,080 --> 01:20:05,040
Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen, they had quarterback figured out. So we

1704
01:20:05,080 --> 01:20:06,880
Speaker 1: had a question in like I don't know when it

1705
01:20:06,920 --> 01:20:09,000
Speaker 1: was Jordan, Like the first or second session we did tonight,

1706
01:20:09,080 --> 01:20:13,559
Speaker 1: some guy asked if you could take any player from

1707
01:20:13,720 --> 01:20:17,280
Speaker 1: any bygone era for a program and putting them on

1708
01:20:17,320 --> 01:20:19,840
Speaker 1: this year's team at that program, Like who would it

1709
01:20:19,880 --> 01:20:22,479
Speaker 1: be to change the sport this year? So I thought

1710
01:20:22,520 --> 01:20:24,559
Speaker 1: about A and M. Because A and M's got a

1711
01:20:24,560 --> 01:20:27,800
Speaker 1: really good roster. They compare very favorably physically, Like when

1712
01:20:27,840 --> 01:20:29,479
Speaker 1: you watch A and M get off a bus. They

1713
01:20:29,479 --> 01:20:31,400
Speaker 1: don't take a back seat to many teams and had

1714
01:20:31,479 --> 01:20:33,200
Speaker 1: quarterback at least to the degree you need it. What

1715
01:20:33,200 --> 01:20:35,200
Speaker 1: if I took Johnny Manziel and I put him on

1716
01:20:35,240 --> 01:20:37,360
Speaker 1: this year's A and M team, What if they got

1717
01:20:37,680 --> 01:20:40,800
Speaker 1: that caliber play then all of a sudden, that's what

1718
01:20:40,840 --> 01:20:43,840
Speaker 1: it would take. So my point is I don't think.

1719
01:20:44,000 --> 01:20:46,240
Speaker 1: I don't think Haines King's going to be that. But

1720
01:20:46,280 --> 01:20:49,439
Speaker 1: then again, very few people during preview magazine season in

1721
01:20:49,479 --> 01:20:52,640
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen were saying, well, here's one thing we know

1722
01:20:52,760 --> 01:20:54,880
Speaker 1: for sure. Joe Burrow's going to be the Heighstman Trophy

1723
01:20:54,920 --> 01:20:56,719
Speaker 1: winner this year. Joe Burrow is going to go undefeed

1724
01:20:56,720 --> 01:20:59,120
Speaker 1: and win a national title and totally rewrite the record

1725
01:20:59,120 --> 01:21:01,759
Speaker 1: books at LSU. So is it hard to do? Yeah,

1726
01:21:02,320 --> 01:21:05,800
Speaker 1: But even with the high execution level that it takes,

1727
01:21:05,800 --> 01:21:08,240
Speaker 1: do you always see it coming? No? You don't, So

1728
01:21:08,840 --> 01:21:12,200
Speaker 1: I guess quarterback play is my answer. Follow up question

1729
01:21:12,280 --> 01:21:15,479
Speaker 1: could be what team that doesn't fit you know the

1730
01:21:15,880 --> 01:21:19,120
Speaker 1: elite Tier one description already? What team or which teams

1731
01:21:19,160 --> 01:21:21,559
Speaker 1: out there could have that? And I guess the answer

1732
01:21:21,600 --> 01:21:23,280
Speaker 1: is I don't know, Like Haynes Keen could be a

1733
01:21:23,280 --> 01:21:26,439
Speaker 1: guy to watch Sam Howell at North Carolina. Maybe he

1734
01:21:26,600 --> 01:21:29,479
Speaker 1: just becomes a transcendent superstar this year and then all

1735
01:21:29,479 --> 01:21:32,040
Speaker 1: of a sudden, you know, we're talking about North Carolina

1736
01:21:32,080 --> 01:21:35,280
Speaker 1: pulling a shocker. Maybe JT. Daniels list Georgia like those

1737
01:21:35,280 --> 01:21:37,559
Speaker 1: would be the ones I would look at. But I mean,

1738
01:21:37,600 --> 01:21:40,120
Speaker 1: I think some people forget Oklahoma hadn't won a title

1739
01:21:40,200 --> 01:21:42,920
Speaker 1: yet under Lincoln Riley, So maybe even though they're in

1740
01:21:42,960 --> 01:21:47,360
Speaker 1: plain sight, maybe they qualify as the answer to that question, do.

1741
01:21:47,360 --> 01:21:49,479
Speaker 30: You think that it would take just one offset year

1742
01:21:49,680 --> 01:21:52,719
Speaker 30: for a team like a Michigan to beat Ohio State

1743
01:21:52,840 --> 01:21:55,840
Speaker 30: and then take over the Big Ten? Or is it

1744
01:21:56,040 --> 01:21:59,280
Speaker 30: have to be a consecutive year wins for a team

1745
01:21:59,360 --> 01:22:01,439
Speaker 30: to then be a dominant force in their conference.

1746
01:22:01,520 --> 01:22:03,479
Speaker 1: No, I don't think that. I don't think anyone's taking

1747
01:22:03,600 --> 01:22:07,360
Speaker 1: over from Ohio State, no different than LSU didn't take

1748
01:22:07,439 --> 01:22:11,080
Speaker 1: over from Alabama down here. If Texas would have ended

1749
01:22:11,160 --> 01:22:13,360
Speaker 1: up winning they went overtime in the Red River last year,

1750
01:22:13,600 --> 01:22:16,280
Speaker 1: if they beat Oklahoma, they wouldn't have taken over the conference.

1751
01:22:16,320 --> 01:22:19,040
Speaker 1: Because what has to happen is you have to sustain,

1752
01:22:19,280 --> 01:22:21,200
Speaker 1: just like they have, like It's not been a one

1753
01:22:21,280 --> 01:22:23,639
Speaker 1: year deal for Ohio State or Alabama, so it can't

1754
01:22:23,680 --> 01:22:25,240
Speaker 1: just be a one year deal. On the other side,

1755
01:22:25,360 --> 01:22:27,760
Speaker 1: what has to happen, Like if Michigan were to pull

1756
01:22:27,800 --> 01:22:30,599
Speaker 1: that off this year, Let's say by mid season, JJ

1757
01:22:30,720 --> 01:22:33,320
Speaker 1: McCarthy true Refresherman there, he ends up starting for Michigan

1758
01:22:33,680 --> 01:22:36,639
Speaker 1: and he outplays whoever ends up starting for Ohio State,

1759
01:22:36,640 --> 01:22:40,200
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, the entire country sees Michigan

1760
01:22:40,479 --> 01:22:44,519
Speaker 1: have a competent offense and an elite quarterback. Well, the

1761
01:22:44,600 --> 01:22:46,920
Speaker 1: same thing could happen there that happened at a place

1762
01:22:47,000 --> 01:22:50,280
Speaker 1: like Clemson when kids saw Jashaun Watson. Some people say

1763
01:22:50,280 --> 01:22:52,600
Speaker 1: tis boyd, I say Deshaun Watson. And then all of

1764
01:22:52,640 --> 01:22:54,800
Speaker 1: a sudden, Trevor Lawrence saw that and he committed there.

1765
01:22:54,800 --> 01:22:57,200
Speaker 1: And then dj Uyanga Lala saw Trevor Lawrence and he

1766
01:22:57,240 --> 01:22:59,559
Speaker 1: committed there. And then you just get this this chain

1767
01:22:59,640 --> 01:23:02,400
Speaker 1: react of elite quarterback play. And once it starts, as

1768
01:23:02,439 --> 01:23:05,680
Speaker 1: you've noticed, it doesn't stop. Like you get to a

1769
01:23:05,720 --> 01:23:08,120
Speaker 1: tongue of I lower. Then you get Bryce Young, you

1770
01:23:08,160 --> 01:23:10,120
Speaker 1: get all the guys that Oklahoma had, Then you get

1771
01:23:10,120 --> 01:23:13,400
Speaker 1: Spencer Rattler, and they've already got Caleb Williams there, so

1772
01:23:13,439 --> 01:23:15,840
Speaker 1: you just got to start one of those quarterback chain reactions.

1773
01:23:16,280 --> 01:23:19,360
Speaker 1: I say, that's all you have to do, like it's easy. Well,

1774
01:23:19,360 --> 01:23:20,720
Speaker 1: someone's going to do it, so it might as well

1775
01:23:20,760 --> 01:23:23,160
Speaker 1: be like filling the blank and put your program there.

1776
01:23:23,960 --> 01:23:26,719
Speaker 2: All right, We'll head over to the fifth and final

1777
01:23:26,880 --> 01:23:30,000
Speaker 2: Josh of the night. Josh Miller's got a question about

1778
01:23:30,360 --> 01:23:35,320
Speaker 2: bowl systems during the BCS era and the College of

1779
01:23:35,560 --> 01:23:36,200
Speaker 2: Playoff era.

1780
01:23:36,760 --> 01:23:39,120
Speaker 31: Yeah, well, thanks for having me, Josh, Do you have

1781
01:23:39,160 --> 01:23:41,519
Speaker 31: a question? And I've seen the forbidden three letter words

1782
01:23:42,000 --> 01:23:43,960
Speaker 31: pop up quite a bit in the last two weeks,

1783
01:23:44,000 --> 01:23:47,680
Speaker 31: so I was very curious on your thoughts about you know,

1784
01:23:47,760 --> 01:23:51,400
Speaker 31: if you thought that the BCS system and its subjectivity

1785
01:23:51,520 --> 01:23:54,960
Speaker 31: created better bowl matchups and championship matchups as opposed to

1786
01:23:55,760 --> 01:23:58,000
Speaker 31: the CFP, which is a little bit more well, I

1787
01:23:58,000 --> 01:24:01,160
Speaker 31: should say, a lot more subjective in terms of it's

1788
01:24:01,160 --> 01:24:04,080
Speaker 31: a lot more like eye and lit miss tests kind

1789
01:24:04,080 --> 01:24:08,120
Speaker 31: of how people feel. And just more so, which one

1790
01:24:08,160 --> 01:24:10,680
Speaker 31: do you think created has created better matchups thus far,

1791
01:24:11,040 --> 01:24:13,880
Speaker 31: even though you know the CFP is relatively short in

1792
01:24:13,920 --> 01:24:14,599
Speaker 31: its existence.

1793
01:24:14,600 --> 01:24:17,720
Speaker 1: Here, I got a really weird way to answer this.

1794
01:24:18,200 --> 01:24:19,599
Speaker 1: I love your name, by the way, So I got

1795
01:24:19,640 --> 01:24:23,160
Speaker 1: a really weird way to answer this. The functionality, the

1796
01:24:23,200 --> 01:24:27,960
Speaker 1: pure functionality and process of the current playoff selection system,

1797
01:24:28,200 --> 01:24:30,760
Speaker 1: I don't have a problem with. I've never disagreed with

1798
01:24:30,760 --> 01:24:33,120
Speaker 1: the teams they put in the playoff, let's say so,

1799
01:24:33,320 --> 01:24:35,599
Speaker 1: I've never had a problem with that. If you're talking

1800
01:24:35,600 --> 01:24:38,120
Speaker 1: about the eras like the Playoff era and all that

1801
01:24:38,320 --> 01:24:42,000
Speaker 1: entails versus the BCS era and all that entailed, I'm

1802
01:24:42,040 --> 01:24:45,120
Speaker 1: telling you right now unequivocally, the BCS ERA was given

1803
01:24:45,200 --> 01:24:47,760
Speaker 1: us a better Bowl product, a better Bowl season. I

1804
01:24:47,760 --> 01:24:51,400
Speaker 1: don't think that's necessarily the playoff's fault from a structure

1805
01:24:51,400 --> 01:24:55,160
Speaker 1: standpoint or the committee's fault from a selection standpoint. I

1806
01:24:55,280 --> 01:24:57,600
Speaker 1: just think that with the advent of the playoff, a

1807
01:24:57,680 --> 01:25:00,800
Speaker 1: different mentality emerged. And I've talked about this before. I

1808
01:25:00,840 --> 01:25:02,439
Speaker 1: don't want to just like beat it to death, but

1809
01:25:02,479 --> 01:25:08,320
Speaker 1: I think the very second that the network that exists

1810
01:25:08,360 --> 01:25:10,599
Speaker 1: as the hub of college football in our industry, which

1811
01:25:10,640 --> 01:25:13,920
Speaker 1: is ESPN, the second that they bought that playoff contract,

1812
01:25:14,360 --> 01:25:16,759
Speaker 1: you sealed that fate in a lot of ways, because

1813
01:25:16,800 --> 01:25:19,599
Speaker 1: that meant a multi billion dollar marketing machine was going

1814
01:25:19,640 --> 01:25:21,719
Speaker 1: to be put behind the playoff for the first time ever,

1815
01:25:22,120 --> 01:25:25,200
Speaker 1: something not called the regular season for college football was

1816
01:25:25,240 --> 01:25:27,439
Speaker 1: going to be at the forefront of college football marketing.

1817
01:25:27,840 --> 01:25:30,200
Speaker 1: And then people listened, and so all of a sudden,

1818
01:25:30,560 --> 01:25:34,519
Speaker 1: you had the mentality shift from the regular season is

1819
01:25:34,560 --> 01:25:36,320
Speaker 1: what it's all about with a cherry on top of

1820
01:25:36,360 --> 01:25:38,719
Speaker 1: the end, to the playoff is what it's all about.

1821
01:25:39,080 --> 01:25:41,559
Speaker 1: And all this stuff's just a precursor and that's not

1822
01:25:41,560 --> 01:25:44,200
Speaker 1: the way college football should be structured. It's not healthy

1823
01:25:44,240 --> 01:25:47,800
Speaker 1: for the sport, and so, but that's not the system's fault,

1824
01:25:47,840 --> 01:25:50,640
Speaker 1: because the bottom line is, had we kept the focus

1825
01:25:51,000 --> 01:25:53,679
Speaker 1: and kept the premium on the regular season, you could

1826
01:25:53,680 --> 01:25:57,360
Speaker 1: have a four team playoff and still have everyone value

1827
01:25:57,400 --> 01:26:00,720
Speaker 1: things properly. But once you started using phrases like meaningless

1828
01:26:00,800 --> 01:26:04,719
Speaker 1: bowl game, and once you started referring to conference title

1829
01:26:04,760 --> 01:26:07,120
Speaker 1: games as meaningless, if they're not going to have auto

1830
01:26:07,160 --> 01:26:09,760
Speaker 1: bids attached to him, you can't get mad at kids

1831
01:26:09,760 --> 01:26:11,599
Speaker 1: for listening to that. You can't get mad at fans

1832
01:26:11,600 --> 01:26:13,679
Speaker 1: for listening to that. And so when a kid wants

1833
01:26:13,720 --> 01:26:16,040
Speaker 1: to opt out of the Alamo Bowl, I'm not going

1834
01:26:16,080 --> 01:26:18,000
Speaker 1: to get mad at the kid. He's opting out of

1835
01:26:18,120 --> 01:26:20,760
Speaker 1: something he's been told as meaningless by people three or

1836
01:26:20,760 --> 01:26:24,120
Speaker 1: four times for several years in a row. So I'm

1837
01:26:24,160 --> 01:26:26,720
Speaker 1: an ERA guy, and I miss what we had in

1838
01:26:26,720 --> 01:26:29,800
Speaker 1: the BCS era. I miss the fact that I could

1839
01:26:29,840 --> 01:26:32,519
Speaker 1: turn on the Capitol One Bowl and that thing felt huge,

1840
01:26:32,720 --> 01:26:36,040
Speaker 1: and I looked at the passion and all of what

1841
01:26:36,200 --> 01:26:40,160
Speaker 1: makes college football great on display, and you couldn't differentiate.

1842
01:26:40,160 --> 01:26:44,120
Speaker 1: You couldn't discern what was a BCS game and what

1843
01:26:44,400 --> 01:26:47,960
Speaker 1: was a Tier two or Tier three game. It was

1844
01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:51,240
Speaker 1: just bowl season. And I also I love the aspect

1845
01:26:51,240 --> 01:26:54,280
Speaker 1: that you still had the urgency, obviously, but you also

1846
01:26:54,360 --> 01:26:58,679
Speaker 1: did not have this ideology permeating throughout the college football

1847
01:26:58,680 --> 01:27:01,080
Speaker 1: public that if your team's not in the playoff race,

1848
01:27:01,479 --> 01:27:05,120
Speaker 1: whatever they're doing is meaningless, which is insane because I

1849
01:27:05,200 --> 01:27:08,519
Speaker 1: remember vividly turning on rivalry games of teams that were

1850
01:27:09,320 --> 01:27:13,040
Speaker 1: six and six versus eight and four caliber teams. Everything's

1851
01:27:13,080 --> 01:27:15,120
Speaker 1: being laid on the line. No one cares what bowl

1852
01:27:15,120 --> 01:27:16,840
Speaker 1: game they're about to go to, No one cares that

1853
01:27:16,840 --> 01:27:19,200
Speaker 1: they're in or out of the playoff hunt. All that

1854
01:27:19,320 --> 01:27:22,880
Speaker 1: exists is that sixty minutes of raw game time at

1855
01:27:22,920 --> 01:27:26,760
Speaker 1: that particular stadium on that particular night, and the other

1856
01:27:26,800 --> 01:27:29,320
Speaker 1: thing was like there was a lot of pride in

1857
01:27:29,360 --> 01:27:31,200
Speaker 1: winning a conference title. There's a lot of pride in

1858
01:27:31,200 --> 01:27:33,120
Speaker 1: the Pac twelve and the Big Ten for example of

1859
01:27:33,160 --> 01:27:35,679
Speaker 1: making it to the Rose Bowl. And if we're part

1860
01:27:35,720 --> 01:27:37,760
Speaker 1: of the playoff, that would be great. Like if we're

1861
01:27:37,800 --> 01:27:40,639
Speaker 1: part of the BCS, that'd be great. But we got

1862
01:27:40,640 --> 01:27:43,200
Speaker 1: our own thing over here that we've agreed to for

1863
01:27:43,200 --> 01:27:46,360
Speaker 1: one hundred years being a really huge deal. Let's not

1864
01:27:46,479 --> 01:27:49,400
Speaker 1: interrupt that. Well, then it got interrupted, and so now

1865
01:27:49,520 --> 01:27:51,680
Speaker 1: it's kind of like trying to plug thirteen holes in

1866
01:27:51,680 --> 01:27:53,880
Speaker 1: a day and with ten fingers to try and reverse it.

1867
01:27:53,880 --> 01:27:56,519
Speaker 1: I don't think you reverse it. So, you know, I

1868
01:27:56,520 --> 01:27:58,840
Speaker 1: think you got to have some pretty radical concepts if

1869
01:27:58,840 --> 01:28:02,760
Speaker 1: you want to go about rearranging things to get what

1870
01:28:02,800 --> 01:28:05,080
Speaker 1: you used to have, knowing full well you can't. This

1871
01:28:05,160 --> 01:28:06,479
Speaker 1: is a car you can't throw in reverse.

1872
01:28:06,880 --> 01:28:08,559
Speaker 31: Yeah, And I agree with you on that too, because

1873
01:28:08,600 --> 01:28:12,000
Speaker 31: I remember plenty of championship games and even Bowl games

1874
01:28:12,000 --> 01:28:14,439
Speaker 31: throughout I mean through two thousand and five, two thousand

1875
01:28:14,439 --> 01:28:16,960
Speaker 31: and six, two thousand and seven that were really memorable

1876
01:28:16,960 --> 01:28:19,720
Speaker 31: and still, you know, stand the test of time. Do

1877
01:28:19,760 --> 01:28:22,720
Speaker 31: you think outside of just language, is there is there

1878
01:28:22,720 --> 01:28:26,799
Speaker 31: a real solution to making kind of college football playoff

1879
01:28:27,600 --> 01:28:30,720
Speaker 31: bowl games feel more than what they have been, at

1880
01:28:30,760 --> 01:28:33,080
Speaker 31: least in terms of meaning.

1881
01:28:33,320 --> 01:28:35,880
Speaker 1: What I would do is tie compensation packages to them,

1882
01:28:36,320 --> 01:28:38,840
Speaker 1: Like that's my radical concept. What I would do is, basically,

1883
01:28:38,880 --> 01:28:41,439
Speaker 1: I would take a big, giant, metaphorical pair of scissors

1884
01:28:41,840 --> 01:28:45,120
Speaker 1: and I would cut the umbilical cord that it connects

1885
01:28:45,240 --> 01:28:48,519
Speaker 1: bowl season to the regular season. I can't be paying

1886
01:28:48,560 --> 01:28:51,679
Speaker 1: you thirty five hundred dollars legally, at least to play

1887
01:28:51,760 --> 01:28:54,000
Speaker 1: in a Week eight game. But what I would love

1888
01:28:54,040 --> 01:28:56,120
Speaker 1: to see is I would love to see a revenue

1889
01:28:56,160 --> 01:29:00,000
Speaker 1: sharing package developed and agreed to between various bowl games

1890
01:29:00,000 --> 01:29:02,880
Speaker 1: games and then the universities that participate in those bowl games.

1891
01:29:02,960 --> 01:29:05,960
Speaker 1: And I'm a big like merit based guy too, So

1892
01:29:06,040 --> 01:29:08,240
Speaker 1: what I'd like to see is, if you get this pool,

1893
01:29:08,720 --> 01:29:11,320
Speaker 1: let's say you go to the Gator Bowl. I would

1894
01:29:11,320 --> 01:29:14,519
Speaker 1: love to see the city of Jacksonville, the advertising partners,

1895
01:29:14,520 --> 01:29:17,800
Speaker 1: the TV partner, be a ESPN, get a nice compensation

1896
01:29:17,880 --> 01:29:20,599
Speaker 1: pool or a revenue sharing pool together and then cut

1897
01:29:20,640 --> 01:29:23,479
Speaker 1: it seventy five to twenty five. And so players that

1898
01:29:23,680 --> 01:29:26,400
Speaker 1: participate in the game who haven't opted out, there's your

1899
01:29:26,439 --> 01:29:29,759
Speaker 1: incentive to play players who are on the active roster

1900
01:29:30,080 --> 01:29:33,080
Speaker 1: and who choose to participate on the winning team, they

1901
01:29:33,160 --> 01:29:35,360
Speaker 1: divide up seventy five percent of that pool, and the

1902
01:29:35,400 --> 01:29:37,360
Speaker 1: losing team still gets twenty five percent of it. So

1903
01:29:37,400 --> 01:29:40,360
Speaker 1: you may be walking home with six hundred bucks in

1904
01:29:40,400 --> 01:29:43,400
Speaker 1: your pocket or twenty nine hundred dollars in your pocket,

1905
01:29:43,439 --> 01:29:46,479
Speaker 1: but everyone gets paid something, So you have that incentive,

1906
01:29:46,520 --> 01:29:49,200
Speaker 1: and there's the incentive to win instead of just participate

1907
01:29:49,400 --> 01:29:52,800
Speaker 1: because you want more money. So if I said that

1908
01:29:52,920 --> 01:29:55,519
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety five, I'd be ludicrous, But we wouldn't have

1909
01:29:55,560 --> 01:29:57,599
Speaker 1: this problem to fix in nineteen ninety five. So that's

1910
01:29:57,640 --> 01:30:01,120
Speaker 1: where I am right now. That it's a really good point. Well,

1911
01:30:01,120 --> 01:30:02,640
Speaker 1: thank you, Joshua, I appreciate that.

1912
01:30:04,880 --> 01:30:07,400
Speaker 2: All right, we'll head over to Jay. He's got a

1913
01:30:07,479 --> 01:30:10,439
Speaker 2: question about josh Hypel at Tennessee.

1914
01:30:11,040 --> 01:30:15,160
Speaker 25: Do you see a possibility where coach Hypel and some

1915
01:30:15,200 --> 01:30:18,320
Speaker 25: of the newer coaches and the programs that have the

1916
01:30:18,400 --> 01:30:21,480
Speaker 25: ability to be a contender or a Tier one program

1917
01:30:21,760 --> 01:30:24,400
Speaker 25: with darn exactly there on the field, they're a path

1918
01:30:24,439 --> 01:30:28,800
Speaker 25: for them to make the way in that's five eight years.

1919
01:30:30,160 --> 01:30:33,160
Speaker 1: Five eight years, yes, Two or three years not so much.

1920
01:30:34,080 --> 01:30:36,240
Speaker 1: I would say, the first thing they have to do

1921
01:30:36,439 --> 01:30:41,320
Speaker 1: is they have to unfortunately tear down a lot before

1922
01:30:41,320 --> 01:30:44,920
Speaker 1: they start to build there. And so, like I've said

1923
01:30:44,920 --> 01:30:47,760
Speaker 1: with Hypel, Hypel's a guy who qualifies as a year

1924
01:30:47,880 --> 01:30:51,000
Speaker 1: zero guy. Mike Norvel last year was a year zero guy.

1925
01:30:51,040 --> 01:30:54,639
Speaker 1: In other words, they are inheriting a situation that is

1926
01:30:54,640 --> 01:30:57,040
Speaker 1: is so backwards in a lot of ways. They got

1927
01:30:57,080 --> 01:31:00,120
Speaker 1: to tear some stuff down before they start building. Have

1928
01:31:00,160 --> 01:31:01,920
Speaker 1: a problem looking at it like that. I don't think,

1929
01:31:01,920 --> 01:31:04,400
Speaker 1: for example, Shane being at South Carolina fits that description.

1930
01:31:04,479 --> 01:31:06,439
Speaker 1: So it's case by case. But what he has to

1931
01:31:06,479 --> 01:31:09,120
Speaker 1: do there is they got to overcome a lot of doubt.

1932
01:31:09,160 --> 01:31:12,000
Speaker 1: But it doesn't really matter what someone in Springfield, Illinois

1933
01:31:12,040 --> 01:31:15,320
Speaker 1: thinks about you at Tennessee. What matters is internally what

1934
01:31:15,400 --> 01:31:17,760
Speaker 1: people think. So you've got to close the gates in

1935
01:31:17,760 --> 01:31:20,120
Speaker 1: some cases culturally and worry about what's on the inside.

1936
01:31:20,120 --> 01:31:22,080
Speaker 1: But then number two, you got to make sure that

1937
01:31:22,200 --> 01:31:25,519
Speaker 1: prospective athletes are getting the right impression of what Tennessee is.

1938
01:31:26,280 --> 01:31:29,639
Speaker 1: That's all well and good. Then you've got to ultimately

1939
01:31:29,640 --> 01:31:31,880
Speaker 1: get it done on the field, and you got to

1940
01:31:31,880 --> 01:31:33,639
Speaker 1: make sure that your program is just not a total

1941
01:31:33,680 --> 01:31:35,560
Speaker 1: and complete disaster on the field or else. All that

1942
01:31:35,640 --> 01:31:38,800
Speaker 1: other stuff's irrelevant. And then number four, you got to

1943
01:31:38,880 --> 01:31:42,599
Speaker 1: make sure that you have your corner of the market

1944
01:31:42,880 --> 01:31:45,240
Speaker 1: really locked down when it comes to nil and marketing,

1945
01:31:45,240 --> 01:31:47,519
Speaker 1: So you've got to stay ahead of the curve instead

1946
01:31:47,520 --> 01:31:51,320
Speaker 1: of adjusting constantly and being on defense constantly. If they

1947
01:31:51,400 --> 01:31:54,200
Speaker 1: do all those things, and Josh Haipel, let's say, is

1948
01:31:54,200 --> 01:31:56,479
Speaker 1: a it turns out a better hire or maybe a

1949
01:31:56,520 --> 01:31:59,680
Speaker 1: perfect culture fit for Tennessee like Sam Pittman has been

1950
01:31:59,720 --> 01:32:01,800
Speaker 1: for our saw. Well, then all of a sudden, maybe

1951
01:32:01,840 --> 01:32:03,800
Speaker 1: it seems like you're a head of schedule year two

1952
01:32:03,960 --> 01:32:06,760
Speaker 1: and year three cause there are not nationally, at least

1953
01:32:06,840 --> 01:32:09,800
Speaker 1: very high expectations for what Hypel's going to do at Tennessee.

1954
01:32:10,120 --> 01:32:14,320
Speaker 1: That doesn't matter necessarily, because many guys have been overlooked

1955
01:32:14,439 --> 01:32:17,240
Speaker 1: throughout the history of this game and overachieved. Many guys

1956
01:32:17,280 --> 01:32:19,240
Speaker 1: have been propped up. I'm thinking about Tom Herman at

1957
01:32:19,240 --> 01:32:23,679
Speaker 1: Texas and fallen flat. So expectation doesn't matter. Delivery matters,

1958
01:32:23,760 --> 01:32:26,559
Speaker 1: and that's that's what I would look for a year

1959
01:32:26,920 --> 01:32:29,960
Speaker 1: zero one two in Knoxville, all right.

1960
01:32:30,080 --> 01:32:33,360
Speaker 2: Next up is Michael He actually has a question about

1961
01:32:33,560 --> 01:32:35,720
Speaker 2: Nick Saban's replacement at Alabama.

1962
01:32:36,320 --> 01:32:38,400
Speaker 32: Hey Josh, thanks for having me on the show. I

1963
01:32:38,439 --> 01:32:41,680
Speaker 32: really appreciate it. So I was just wondering, you know,

1964
01:32:41,960 --> 01:32:43,960
Speaker 32: Nick Saban's and with Aladum for quite a while, and

1965
01:32:44,080 --> 01:32:47,040
Speaker 32: eventually his time's going to run out, maybe three years,

1966
01:32:47,040 --> 01:32:50,479
Speaker 32: maybe five, maybe longer. Hopefully longer being Aladema fan, but

1967
01:32:50,479 --> 01:32:52,160
Speaker 32: my question is, who do you think is the most

1968
01:32:52,240 --> 01:32:55,519
Speaker 32: likely candidate as a replacement for Nick Saban, both at

1969
01:32:55,560 --> 01:32:58,240
Speaker 32: today's time, if you were to retire today and maybe

1970
01:32:58,280 --> 01:32:59,680
Speaker 32: three to five years from now, who would be the

1971
01:32:59,720 --> 01:33:02,280
Speaker 32: most likely candidate to replace him today?

1972
01:33:02,320 --> 01:33:05,559
Speaker 1: I have no clue today, I quite literally have no

1973
01:33:05,640 --> 01:33:08,479
Speaker 1: idea what the answer is. And I think the answer,

1974
01:33:08,520 --> 01:33:10,320
Speaker 1: if it's five years from now, is a guy we

1975
01:33:10,360 --> 01:33:16,599
Speaker 1: don't really know about right now. Only to say I

1976
01:33:16,600 --> 01:33:18,800
Speaker 1: think the names that will be at the forefront in

1977
01:33:18,840 --> 01:33:20,600
Speaker 1: five years are not the names that are at the

1978
01:33:20,640 --> 01:33:22,479
Speaker 1: forefront right now, because it's not going to be Ryan

1979
01:33:22,800 --> 01:33:25,519
Speaker 1: Day or Lincoln Riley. I don't think it's going to

1980
01:33:25,560 --> 01:33:27,519
Speaker 1: be Dabbo. Maybe some people disagree with me on that.

1981
01:33:27,520 --> 01:33:29,400
Speaker 1: I don't think it's going to be him. So the

1982
01:33:29,479 --> 01:33:32,160
Speaker 1: alternative is maybe it's a guy who's an offensive coordinator

1983
01:33:32,200 --> 01:33:34,599
Speaker 1: right now, who's about to be a head coach somewhere,

1984
01:33:34,640 --> 01:33:36,400
Speaker 1: and then by that point he's two or three years in,

1985
01:33:36,920 --> 01:33:38,880
Speaker 1: and then Bama goes and gets hopefully the guy that

1986
01:33:38,880 --> 01:33:40,519
Speaker 1: they think will be there for the next twenty years.

1987
01:33:40,760 --> 01:33:43,760
Speaker 1: But if he were to announce tomorrow, I'm stepping down.

1988
01:33:44,880 --> 01:33:48,400
Speaker 1: I'll open it up. Anyone can answer this. Who that's attainable?

1989
01:33:48,439 --> 01:33:50,200
Speaker 1: And Bama can get a lot of people, maybe like

1990
01:33:50,280 --> 01:33:52,840
Speaker 1: ninety five percent of their candidates. Who would they go get?

1991
01:33:52,920 --> 01:33:55,160
Speaker 1: You also got to convince someone to take the spot

1992
01:33:55,200 --> 01:33:57,240
Speaker 1: after saving So who in the world would they go get.

1993
01:33:57,280 --> 01:33:59,960
Speaker 1: I have no clue what the answer is that Campbell

1994
01:34:00,040 --> 01:34:06,040
Speaker 1: I thought as venables, So you're gonna go defense after

1995
01:34:06,040 --> 01:34:08,040
Speaker 1: you just got a taste of elite offense. You're going defense?

1996
01:34:08,080 --> 01:34:08,720
Speaker 1: Is that what you're doing?

1997
01:34:09,880 --> 01:34:13,040
Speaker 31: I think that he's an elite coach who could maybe

1998
01:34:13,120 --> 01:34:16,240
Speaker 31: make a splash and still convince recruits to come to Alabama,

1999
01:34:16,720 --> 01:34:18,559
Speaker 31: even offensively. I think he'd have to go get an

2000
01:34:18,560 --> 01:34:23,320
Speaker 31: offensive minded like superstar to kind of compliment him. But

2001
01:34:23,400 --> 01:34:25,040
Speaker 31: I think he'd be a good pick in terms of

2002
01:34:25,600 --> 01:34:26,799
Speaker 31: just pure star power.

2003
01:34:26,920 --> 01:34:28,479
Speaker 1: Well, the first thing you'd have to do, because there's

2004
01:34:28,520 --> 01:34:30,639
Speaker 1: this new sec by law where you have to hire

2005
01:34:30,680 --> 01:34:32,880
Speaker 1: Kevin Steele for a few weeks, so that first have

2006
01:34:32,960 --> 01:34:35,639
Speaker 1: to hire Kevin Steele, then that fire him and give

2007
01:34:35,680 --> 01:34:38,280
Speaker 1: him like eight hundred grand And so then who would

2008
01:34:38,320 --> 01:34:40,559
Speaker 1: we move to Cause, like I if it were to

2009
01:34:40,560 --> 01:34:42,280
Speaker 1: happen right now, I got a hard time seeing them

2010
01:34:42,280 --> 01:34:45,639
Speaker 1: go defense, like I think they would want to go offensive. Mind,

2011
01:34:45,800 --> 01:34:48,280
Speaker 1: that's sometimes that's overrated, like go get the best guy,

2012
01:34:48,400 --> 01:34:51,960
Speaker 1: like you said. But I don't, like someone said Matt Campbell,

2013
01:34:52,120 --> 01:34:53,720
Speaker 1: I don't know that Mac. I've always been told he

2014
01:34:53,720 --> 01:34:55,240
Speaker 1: doesn't want to come to the South. I've always been

2015
01:34:55,240 --> 01:34:58,840
Speaker 1: told he's more a Midwest guy. And so what if

2016
01:34:58,840 --> 01:35:00,760
Speaker 1: he tells you, I know, this is crazy. What if

2017
01:35:00,760 --> 01:35:03,080
Speaker 1: the Iowa state head coach tells Alabama no, Well, then

2018
01:35:03,080 --> 01:35:03,559
Speaker 1: where you go?

2019
01:35:05,240 --> 01:35:07,760
Speaker 32: What about Lincoln Riley? Possibly? I don't think.

2020
01:35:08,960 --> 01:35:11,240
Speaker 1: I really don't think he'd leaves for Alabama. I think

2021
01:35:11,240 --> 01:35:13,720
Speaker 1: he would look at that situation and say, I've got

2022
01:35:13,760 --> 01:35:16,840
Speaker 1: everything I need here, I don't need to add on

2023
01:35:16,920 --> 01:35:20,760
Speaker 1: to that list. The shadow of the greatest to ever

2024
01:35:20,840 --> 01:35:21,320
Speaker 1: do it.

2025
01:35:21,880 --> 01:35:24,839
Speaker 10: And probably find someone Ryan Day that no one would expect.

2026
01:35:26,360 --> 01:35:28,719
Speaker 1: Because I agree, I agree that's the path.

2027
01:35:28,960 --> 01:35:32,280
Speaker 25: Who is that do you think Mario Crystibal could hit

2028
01:35:32,320 --> 01:35:34,200
Speaker 25: the job if he continues on the path he's on.

2029
01:35:34,400 --> 01:35:37,080
Speaker 1: Organ he would be all over broken glass. If they

2030
01:35:37,160 --> 01:35:39,599
Speaker 1: offered the job to him, he would crawl over broken

2031
01:35:39,640 --> 01:35:41,960
Speaker 1: glass to get it. I think Crystal Ball would be

2032
01:35:42,000 --> 01:35:43,760
Speaker 1: on the short list. I think he would be a

2033
01:35:43,800 --> 01:35:49,480
Speaker 1: guy who, obviously from a marketing standpoint, familiarity standpoint, recruiting standpoint,

2034
01:35:49,960 --> 01:35:51,960
Speaker 1: he would check all the boxes. He would have to

2035
01:35:51,960 --> 01:35:55,360
Speaker 1: make a superstar offensive coordinator higher which they would give

2036
01:35:55,400 --> 01:35:57,680
Speaker 1: him all the resources to do. And he would not

2037
01:35:57,840 --> 01:35:59,760
Speaker 1: be a guy I don't think who would shy away

2038
01:35:59,760 --> 01:36:03,080
Speaker 1: from the shadow. So that like, we got one name

2039
01:36:03,120 --> 01:36:04,880
Speaker 1: so far on our very short list that I think

2040
01:36:04,960 --> 01:36:06,720
Speaker 1: is viable. Yeah, I think he'd be one of them.

2041
01:36:07,360 --> 01:36:09,840
Speaker 31: You think Matt Rule would come from the NFL or

2042
01:36:09,840 --> 01:36:11,439
Speaker 31: maybe Tony Elliott from Clemson.

2043
01:36:12,160 --> 01:36:14,599
Speaker 1: Elliott, Yeah, would do that. I don't think Matt Rule

2044
01:36:14,600 --> 01:36:20,760
Speaker 1: would follow up. See Sarks an interesting name because Sark.

2045
01:36:20,960 --> 01:36:23,800
Speaker 1: I think if this question were to be asked this

2046
01:36:23,840 --> 01:36:27,320
Speaker 1: time last year, maybe Sark is the answer. Maybe he

2047
01:36:27,400 --> 01:36:30,200
Speaker 1: still is, because I mean Sark's not exactly a guy

2048
01:36:30,240 --> 01:36:32,400
Speaker 1: when you cut him open who bleeds bern orange. He

2049
01:36:32,479 --> 01:36:36,160
Speaker 1: just he's got the Texas job, But I don't know

2050
01:36:36,200 --> 01:36:38,920
Speaker 1: if you can really justify that, because there's Texas is

2051
01:36:38,960 --> 01:36:40,280
Speaker 1: going to look at you and say, we're not gonna

2052
01:36:40,280 --> 01:36:42,120
Speaker 1: get They're not going to give you anything there that

2053
01:36:42,120 --> 01:36:44,720
Speaker 1: we can't give you here resource wise, And maybe they're

2054
01:36:44,760 --> 01:36:47,560
Speaker 1: right about that. Certainly they're right in terms of compensation.

2055
01:36:48,240 --> 01:36:52,400
Speaker 1: So I don't know that I would call him viable

2056
01:36:52,479 --> 01:36:55,639
Speaker 1: at the moment. You always think you can get whoever

2057
01:36:55,680 --> 01:36:58,240
Speaker 1: you want to, but you can't get whoever you want to.

2058
01:36:58,280 --> 01:37:00,479
Speaker 1: You can get most of who you want to, but

2059
01:37:00,560 --> 01:37:02,680
Speaker 1: not whopstever you want to.

2060
01:37:04,360 --> 01:37:08,479
Speaker 32: Yeah, another thing you mentioned too. Another thing you mentioned

2061
01:37:08,479 --> 01:37:10,200
Speaker 32: too is that the fact that they're going to have

2062
01:37:10,200 --> 01:37:12,479
Speaker 32: to be replacing Nick Saban, you know, the greatest coach

2063
01:37:12,479 --> 01:37:14,800
Speaker 32: of all time. Like who wants to step into that

2064
01:37:14,880 --> 01:37:16,880
Speaker 32: kind of position with that kind of pressure on you

2065
01:37:17,800 --> 01:37:20,280
Speaker 32: only to like there's no way you can succeed in

2066
01:37:20,320 --> 01:37:22,840
Speaker 32: the expectations. I mean, it's almost like a bust no

2067
01:37:22,880 --> 01:37:25,000
Speaker 32: matter what, because you're following Nick Saban.

2068
01:37:25,200 --> 01:37:28,280
Speaker 1: There's a breed of competitor that does not think that way.

2069
01:37:29,080 --> 01:37:31,840
Speaker 1: They are few and far between. Nick Saban's one of them,

2070
01:37:31,960 --> 01:37:34,080
Speaker 1: and we're talking about him by default, So he can't

2071
01:37:34,120 --> 01:37:36,080
Speaker 1: be the answer. Maybe he can't, maybe he just retires

2072
01:37:36,080 --> 01:37:41,000
Speaker 1: and unretires, but the right mentality is not turned off

2073
01:37:41,240 --> 01:37:44,760
Speaker 1: by that. Having said that, I think there are a

2074
01:37:44,800 --> 01:37:48,000
Speaker 1: lot of elite coaches out there that do think that

2075
01:37:48,040 --> 01:37:51,400
Speaker 1: way and would be would be scared off by that.

2076
01:37:51,680 --> 01:37:53,680
Speaker 1: So I think you'd have to get him in the

2077
01:37:53,760 --> 01:37:55,840
Speaker 1: interview room and look him in the eye and ask him,

2078
01:37:55,880 --> 01:37:57,519
Speaker 1: is this going to be a problem for you? Because

2079
01:37:57,560 --> 01:38:01,240
Speaker 1: we're not shying away from expectation here. We expect to

2080
01:38:01,240 --> 01:38:03,559
Speaker 1: be the best in the country. That's where we expect

2081
01:38:03,560 --> 01:38:05,839
Speaker 1: to be, and we're going to give you every possible

2082
01:38:05,840 --> 01:38:08,240
Speaker 1: reason to not have an excuse not to do that

2083
01:38:08,320 --> 01:38:10,840
Speaker 1: double negative. So hopefully Greg Byrne would know how to

2084
01:38:10,880 --> 01:38:13,880
Speaker 1: word that better than me. But I yeah, I mean,

2085
01:38:13,880 --> 01:38:15,240
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of validity to that. But

2086
01:38:15,280 --> 01:38:17,519
Speaker 1: I also think there is a guy or two or

2087
01:38:17,560 --> 01:38:20,240
Speaker 1: five out there who would say, I don't care because

2088
01:38:20,320 --> 01:38:23,360
Speaker 1: I think of myself as being capable of everything that

2089
01:38:23,479 --> 01:38:25,960
Speaker 1: guy was, Nick Saban was whether I'm right or not,

2090
01:38:26,320 --> 01:38:30,519
Speaker 1: I think that about myself by default. You have to

2091
01:38:30,640 --> 01:38:34,080
Speaker 1: have that as the foundation for a negotiation, or else

2092
01:38:34,120 --> 01:38:36,479
Speaker 1: you got the wrong guy in the room.

2093
01:38:36,680 --> 01:38:40,000
Speaker 25: Do you think they could give the Carolina basketball route

2094
01:38:40,040 --> 01:38:42,479
Speaker 25: and maybe higher and assistant who's been there a couple

2095
01:38:42,479 --> 01:38:43,599
Speaker 25: of years beside a Saban.

2096
01:38:45,120 --> 01:38:47,000
Speaker 1: At this moment, I don't know who it would be.

2097
01:38:48,120 --> 01:38:50,320
Speaker 1: I mean my answer is yes, in the past, I

2098
01:38:50,360 --> 01:38:52,400
Speaker 1: don't know who it would be. Right now it would be.

2099
01:38:52,760 --> 01:38:54,760
Speaker 1: You know, they've got Pete Golden. Pete Golding's nowhere near

2100
01:38:54,800 --> 01:38:56,560
Speaker 1: ready to be a head coach in a major program.

2101
01:38:57,120 --> 01:38:59,800
Speaker 1: They've got you know, Bill O'Brien has been a head

2102
01:38:59,800 --> 01:39:03,400
Speaker 1: coach in the NFL. But Bill Bill O'Brien, I mean

2103
01:39:03,400 --> 01:39:05,360
Speaker 1: at the college level. You know, he was at Penn

2104
01:39:05,439 --> 01:39:07,920
Speaker 1: State and he was good enough there to be hired

2105
01:39:07,960 --> 01:39:10,640
Speaker 1: in the NFL. I don't know that he would be.

2106
01:39:12,280 --> 01:39:14,360
Speaker 1: I don't know, man table Bill O'Brien. Well, let's see

2107
01:39:14,360 --> 01:39:17,080
Speaker 1: what he does this year. But that could be the

2108
01:39:17,120 --> 01:39:19,080
Speaker 1: answer in like six months.

2109
01:39:19,920 --> 01:39:22,800
Speaker 31: You think there's any possibility that they go to like

2110
01:39:22,840 --> 01:39:25,360
Speaker 31: a powerhouse from the FCS.

2111
01:39:24,880 --> 01:39:28,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do, or the G five level. Yeah, absolutely,

2112
01:39:28,439 --> 01:39:30,080
Speaker 1: I think that that could be a possibility.

2113
01:39:30,960 --> 01:39:31,360
Speaker 4: All right.

2114
01:39:31,520 --> 01:39:36,160
Speaker 2: Up next is Schaeffer. He wants you to evaluate and

2115
01:39:36,400 --> 01:39:39,320
Speaker 2: rank Power five conferences.

2116
01:39:39,680 --> 01:39:41,920
Speaker 10: Yeah, Hey, Josh, great to be here. Thank you for

2117
01:39:41,960 --> 01:39:45,679
Speaker 10: having me. This is debait. I see a lot obviously

2118
01:39:45,800 --> 01:39:46,560
Speaker 10: very subjective.

2119
01:39:47,200 --> 01:39:50,960
Speaker 33: Lots of people always talk about or on the show,

2120
01:39:51,040 --> 01:39:53,120
Speaker 33: talk about all the time, you know, those top tier programs,

2121
01:39:53,479 --> 01:39:57,280
Speaker 33: how state comes to Alabama in terms of like conferences today,

2122
01:39:58,040 --> 01:39:59,960
Speaker 33: I'm just kind of curious how you have you each

2123
01:40:00,120 --> 01:40:03,360
Speaker 33: one in terms of its competitive nature, and then well

2124
01:40:03,439 --> 01:40:04,960
Speaker 33: as kind of historically.

2125
01:40:07,120 --> 01:40:10,759
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna speak sort of in a forward facing manner,

2126
01:40:11,160 --> 01:40:14,280
Speaker 1: So I'm including what I feel about twenty twenty one

2127
01:40:14,280 --> 01:40:17,960
Speaker 1: in this. So I think SEC's number one. I would

2128
01:40:17,960 --> 01:40:20,320
Speaker 1: put the Big ten number two. I would put the

2129
01:40:20,320 --> 01:40:23,560
Speaker 1: ACC number three in the Big twelve number four, understanding

2130
01:40:23,560 --> 01:40:26,479
Speaker 1: those are percentage points different, and I would either put

2131
01:40:26,560 --> 01:40:30,080
Speaker 1: the AAC five and then the PAC twelve six, or

2132
01:40:30,160 --> 01:40:32,760
Speaker 1: I would put the PAC twelve five in the AAC six.

2133
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Speaker 1: You can make a solid argument that the AAC is

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Speaker 1: one of the five best conferences in America right now.

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01:40:38,360 --> 01:40:41,200
Speaker 1: Historically it's a little bit different. Like historically I still

2136
01:40:41,240 --> 01:40:44,040
Speaker 1: go SEC Big ten. It gets really muddy after that

2137
01:40:44,040 --> 01:40:46,160
Speaker 1: for me, because you got to you gotta remember, we

2138
01:40:46,280 --> 01:40:50,040
Speaker 1: have changed these conferences very recently. In the last ten years.

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01:40:50,040 --> 01:40:53,120
Speaker 1: There's been a lot of realignments. So that's a little

2140
01:40:53,120 --> 01:40:54,080
Speaker 1: bit tougher one to answer.

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Speaker 10: But so like Nebraska go into the Big ten.

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01:40:56,600 --> 01:40:58,280
Speaker 1: Or A and M going to the SC. Yeah, so

2143
01:40:58,880 --> 01:41:00,599
Speaker 1: get back to the first one because I don't want

2144
01:41:00,600 --> 01:41:03,160
Speaker 1: to hear the room on this. So I think we're all.

2145
01:41:03,400 --> 01:41:05,240
Speaker 1: Are we all of the agreement? The SEC is the

2146
01:41:05,240 --> 01:41:08,040
Speaker 1: best football conference in America? Right now? Yes, everyone's not.

2147
01:41:09,280 --> 01:41:12,800
Speaker 1: So how many people raise your hand if you have

2148
01:41:12,840 --> 01:41:17,360
Speaker 1: someone other than the Big ten in your number two spot? Okay,

2149
01:41:17,400 --> 01:41:19,559
Speaker 1: so that's a consensus one too, and I think ninety

2150
01:41:19,560 --> 01:41:22,599
Speaker 1: five percent of folks would agree. Now just say out

2151
01:41:22,600 --> 01:41:24,280
Speaker 1: loud on the count of three, who your number three

2152
01:41:24,400 --> 01:41:29,680
Speaker 1: is one two three? So there was alphabet soup. So

2153
01:41:30,200 --> 01:41:35,200
Speaker 1: who said acc Why would you put them ahead of?

2154
01:41:35,240 --> 01:41:37,160
Speaker 1: Because I did too, So why would you put them

2155
01:41:37,160 --> 01:41:37,960
Speaker 1: ahead of the Big twelve?

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01:41:39,000 --> 01:41:40,320
Speaker 32: Clemson is just so good?

2157
01:41:40,520 --> 01:41:42,439
Speaker 22: And okay, so.

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01:41:42,479 --> 01:41:45,120
Speaker 1: I'm going to play devil's advocate. So is Oklahoma. So

2159
01:41:45,160 --> 01:41:47,360
Speaker 1: now let's get past the top. We go to tier two.

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01:41:47,880 --> 01:41:49,880
Speaker 1: How are you seeing the eight? Keep in mind, I'm

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01:41:49,880 --> 01:41:51,880
Speaker 1: agreeing with you, but I'm playing devil's advocate. How are

2162
01:41:51,880 --> 01:41:53,840
Speaker 1: you seeing the second tier matchup with the second tier

2163
01:41:53,840 --> 01:41:54,519
Speaker 1: of the Big Twelve.

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01:41:55,760 --> 01:41:59,040
Speaker 32: I got it because that's she's coming back. Baby.

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01:41:59,560 --> 01:42:01,719
Speaker 1: Hey, I listen you say it and then you laugh.

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01:42:02,240 --> 01:42:05,040
Speaker 1: First off, be more convicted. Secondly, you can also say

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01:42:05,040 --> 01:42:07,800
Speaker 1: that about Miami. You could say it about Virginia. There's

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01:42:07,840 --> 01:42:10,439
Speaker 1: a lot of promise. In other words, in tier two

2169
01:42:10,640 --> 01:42:12,679
Speaker 1: pull the water drug, as I answer in Tier two

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01:42:13,200 --> 01:42:15,719
Speaker 1: of the ACC. Whereas in Tier two of the Big

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01:42:15,760 --> 01:42:19,920
Speaker 1: twelve we have my Iowa State cyclones and fill in

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01:42:19,960 --> 01:42:22,559
Speaker 1: the blank? Is it Oklahoma State? Is it Texas? Is

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01:42:22,600 --> 01:42:25,640
Speaker 1: it TCU? I don't know. I would feel very confident

2174
01:42:26,080 --> 01:42:30,000
Speaker 1: in doing a seed by seed matchup like a tournament.

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01:42:30,000 --> 01:42:32,360
Speaker 1: In other words, if I got down to the sixth

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01:42:32,360 --> 01:42:35,720
Speaker 1: best team in the AAC ACC versus the sixth best

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01:42:35,720 --> 01:42:37,839
Speaker 1: team in the Big twelve, I feel good about my chances.

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01:42:37,880 --> 01:42:40,320
Speaker 1: That would be my rational. Now, who in this room

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01:42:40,840 --> 01:42:44,160
Speaker 1: said PAC twelve or Big twelve in their number three spot?

2180
01:42:44,320 --> 01:42:46,920
Speaker 1: I had to take on number three? Okay, I'm just

2181
01:42:46,920 --> 01:42:50,479
Speaker 1: gonna let someone choose because I gotta, I think, so

2182
01:42:50,520 --> 01:42:51,000
Speaker 1: go ahead.

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01:42:51,240 --> 01:42:54,280
Speaker 30: You have a higher quality coach, I think in the

2184
01:42:54,280 --> 01:42:57,000
Speaker 30: Big twelve than you do the ACC. I mean you

2185
01:42:57,040 --> 01:42:58,960
Speaker 30: can just run through the name top to bottom, and

2186
01:42:59,000 --> 01:43:02,799
Speaker 30: I think that from top to bottom, the average level

2187
01:43:02,800 --> 01:43:04,080
Speaker 30: of coach is higher.

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01:43:04,520 --> 01:43:07,280
Speaker 1: I could agree with this, but all right, so then

2189
01:43:07,920 --> 01:43:10,040
Speaker 1: do you argue that the products being put on the

2190
01:43:10,080 --> 01:43:12,400
Speaker 1: field are also operating at a higher level because coaches

2191
01:43:12,400 --> 01:43:13,160
Speaker 1: can't take the field.

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01:43:14,080 --> 01:43:16,519
Speaker 30: No, I wouldn't, but I would say that the product

2193
01:43:16,560 --> 01:43:19,120
Speaker 30: that you're sending into professional football is higher than what

2194
01:43:19,160 --> 01:43:20,400
Speaker 30: you're seeing out of the a SEC.

2195
01:43:20,880 --> 01:43:22,920
Speaker 1: But I would still go back to that's great. But

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01:43:23,080 --> 01:43:25,439
Speaker 1: if anything, that's an indictment on the conference, because if

2197
01:43:25,479 --> 01:43:28,479
Speaker 1: I'm sending more pro talent to the league, shouldn't they

2198
01:43:28,479 --> 01:43:31,200
Speaker 1: be performing at a higher level collectively when they're in college?

2199
01:43:31,200 --> 01:43:32,559
Speaker 1: Which is all we're talking about right now?

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01:43:33,280 --> 01:43:35,920
Speaker 20: Yeah, fair one thing I was going to fish And

2201
01:43:36,320 --> 01:43:38,960
Speaker 20: I know, we just have this discussion about Bull games.

2202
01:43:39,000 --> 01:43:40,760
Speaker 20: Maybe not mean as much as they used to, but

2203
01:43:41,560 --> 01:43:43,559
Speaker 20: with the Big twelve doing so well in Bull season

2204
01:43:43,640 --> 01:43:45,920
Speaker 20: last year, going five to zero and a SC going

2205
01:43:46,120 --> 01:43:49,320
Speaker 20: zero to six, I know, not necessarily the best indicator,

2206
01:43:49,360 --> 01:43:50,320
Speaker 20: but it's just one of them.

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01:43:50,840 --> 01:43:53,840
Speaker 1: Schaeffer. I have strong feelings about Bull records. I have

2208
01:43:53,960 --> 01:43:56,320
Speaker 1: very strong feelings about it. Here's what I'm gonna do,

2209
01:43:56,920 --> 01:43:59,720
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna pin Jay's video right quick. Because that

2210
01:43:59,720 --> 01:44:02,479
Speaker 1: blue is really calming me right now, and so I'm

2211
01:44:02,520 --> 01:44:05,600
Speaker 1: looking at that blue light and I'm calm. Let me

2212
01:44:05,640 --> 01:44:08,680
Speaker 1: just say it like this, like I'm medicated. I do

2213
01:44:08,760 --> 01:44:16,080
Speaker 1: not value conference bowl records for anything, period, end of point.

2214
01:44:16,560 --> 01:44:19,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you why if they seed in them,

2215
01:44:19,240 --> 01:44:23,000
Speaker 1: if we could seed bowl season to where if you're

2216
01:44:23,000 --> 01:44:25,200
Speaker 1: a three seed, you play someone else's three seed. I

2217
01:44:25,240 --> 01:44:28,960
Speaker 1: love that, but I cannot tell you how badly my

2218
01:44:29,160 --> 01:44:33,000
Speaker 1: net just twitches when I see a conferences number two

2219
01:44:33,720 --> 01:44:37,880
Speaker 1: beat another conference's number six, and then that conference is

2220
01:44:37,960 --> 01:44:40,800
Speaker 1: number two starts to beat the chest as if to

2221
01:44:40,840 --> 01:44:44,120
Speaker 1: say that proves conference superiority. No, it doesn't. It proves

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01:44:44,120 --> 01:44:46,360
Speaker 1: that your second best is better than my sixth best.

2223
01:44:46,720 --> 01:44:49,960
Speaker 1: Your second best took the field is a field goal favorite,

2224
01:44:49,960 --> 01:44:52,280
Speaker 1: which in and of itself is pathetic against my sixth

2225
01:44:52,439 --> 01:44:56,919
Speaker 1: best team. And you want that's wonderful. That doesn't indicate

2226
01:44:56,960 --> 01:44:58,960
Speaker 1: anything to me. And here's the other price you pay

2227
01:44:59,000 --> 01:45:02,280
Speaker 1: in bowl season. In any given bowl season, if you're

2228
01:45:02,280 --> 01:45:06,280
Speaker 1: a conference that's stronger by default, you're probably gonna have

2229
01:45:06,360 --> 01:45:08,759
Speaker 1: one or two maybe teams in the playoff. And therefore

2230
01:45:08,880 --> 01:45:11,800
Speaker 1: every subsequent it's like a little snake. Every team that

2231
01:45:11,840 --> 01:45:15,240
Speaker 1: you get in the playoff, it pulls the third and fourth,

2232
01:45:15,320 --> 01:45:17,560
Speaker 1: and fifth and sixth rungs on that ladder of that

2233
01:45:17,600 --> 01:45:20,439
Speaker 1: little snake. It pulls them up. And so if let's

2234
01:45:20,439 --> 01:45:23,840
Speaker 1: say we're the SEC Kentucky, whereas they normally would have

2235
01:45:23,880 --> 01:45:26,400
Speaker 1: been down at Bowl number eight, well then they get

2236
01:45:26,400 --> 01:45:28,320
Speaker 1: tugged up to Bowl number six, though they play a

2237
01:45:28,400 --> 01:45:31,599
Speaker 1: higher quality opponent, and they are less likely to beat

2238
01:45:31,600 --> 01:45:34,519
Speaker 1: that high quality opponent. But the only reason they're playing

2239
01:45:34,520 --> 01:45:37,280
Speaker 1: a higher quality opponent is cause their conference is so good.

2240
01:45:37,560 --> 01:45:39,760
Speaker 1: They got teams playing in the playoff in the New

2241
01:45:39,840 --> 01:45:43,240
Speaker 1: Year's six rotational games. So it's aggravated me for a lot.

2242
01:45:43,479 --> 01:45:46,040
Speaker 20: I mean, honestly, I mean honestly, to your point, I

2243
01:45:46,040 --> 01:45:48,760
Speaker 20: think a last year is only favored in one to

2244
01:45:48,880 --> 01:45:50,080
Speaker 20: one or two of their six.

2245
01:45:51,240 --> 01:45:53,760
Speaker 1: That's a good listen. I cannot vouch off the top

2246
01:45:53,800 --> 01:45:55,400
Speaker 1: of my head for that being true, because I haven't

2247
01:45:55,439 --> 01:45:57,360
Speaker 1: resourced it. I'm gonna trust you, and if so, that's

2248
01:45:57,360 --> 01:45:59,360
Speaker 1: a that's a pretty good step.

2249
01:46:00,400 --> 01:46:03,880
Speaker 2: All right. Next up is Daniel. He has a question

2250
01:46:03,920 --> 01:46:07,360
Speaker 2: about college football superiority over the NFL.

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01:46:08,160 --> 01:46:12,000
Speaker 34: So thanks for having us here tonight, josh My question is,

2252
01:46:12,080 --> 01:46:15,759
Speaker 34: in your opinion, what makes college football better than the NFL,

2253
01:46:16,400 --> 01:46:19,840
Speaker 34: and how can the college football community from fans tod

2254
01:46:19,880 --> 01:46:24,400
Speaker 34: hodjos preserve its greatness for the foreseeable future in light

2255
01:46:24,400 --> 01:46:26,760
Speaker 34: of all the intending change that surrounds us.

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01:46:26,800 --> 01:46:29,559
Speaker 1: For Yeah, so the first thing I would do is

2257
01:46:29,680 --> 01:46:33,920
Speaker 1: I would stop using the NFL as a comparative data

2258
01:46:33,920 --> 01:46:36,559
Speaker 1: point for college football. We hear that all the time,

2259
01:46:37,160 --> 01:46:39,799
Speaker 1: this fill in the blank is wrong with college football.

2260
01:46:40,240 --> 01:46:43,479
Speaker 1: Here's what the NFL does. That's a Sunday product, that's

2261
01:46:43,479 --> 01:46:46,000
Speaker 1: a pro product. I watched the NFL. I at the

2262
01:46:46,040 --> 01:46:49,559
Speaker 1: same time love the college product and do not compare

2263
01:46:49,600 --> 01:46:51,600
Speaker 1: them as if they're apples to tackles. So that's the

2264
01:46:51,600 --> 01:46:54,040
Speaker 1: first thing. The second thing is I would understand and

2265
01:46:54,120 --> 01:46:58,160
Speaker 1: try and enshrine the regular season as being the main

2266
01:46:58,240 --> 01:47:01,840
Speaker 1: event of college football, while still valuing the playoff, but

2267
01:47:02,120 --> 01:47:05,919
Speaker 1: understanding how to maintain that perspective and appreciating the tradition

2268
01:47:06,200 --> 01:47:10,000
Speaker 1: and the lack of safety net that makes every week

2269
01:47:10,080 --> 01:47:14,639
Speaker 1: an urgent, must see appointment television event in college football

2270
01:47:14,640 --> 01:47:17,040
Speaker 1: the way it is not in the NFL. The third

2271
01:47:17,080 --> 01:47:21,040
Speaker 1: thing is I would understand uniqueness, and I would understand

2272
01:47:21,080 --> 01:47:24,519
Speaker 1: that there are things about Eugene, Oregon that are way

2273
01:47:24,520 --> 01:47:28,040
Speaker 1: different than Tallahassee, Florida. And that's okay. It's okay to

2274
01:47:28,120 --> 01:47:31,280
Speaker 1: have that culture. It's okay to have that uniqueness. There's

2275
01:47:31,320 --> 01:47:33,879
Speaker 1: so many it's like a baskin Robbins. But it's football.

2276
01:47:34,000 --> 01:47:36,840
Speaker 1: There's so many different flavors in college football, whereas the

2277
01:47:36,960 --> 01:47:40,479
Speaker 1: NFL it's a lot more monolithic. You think about the NFL,

2278
01:47:40,600 --> 01:47:43,840
Speaker 1: it's just the NFL. You think about college football. There

2279
01:47:43,840 --> 01:47:46,040
Speaker 1: are teams in this sport that play on blue fields

2280
01:47:46,080 --> 01:47:48,599
Speaker 1: in red fields. It's just different. It should be different,

2281
01:47:48,600 --> 01:47:50,960
Speaker 1: and it should be celebrated. And then the fourth thing

2282
01:47:51,600 --> 01:47:56,000
Speaker 1: is I would try and remember that there is not

2283
01:47:56,080 --> 01:47:58,680
Speaker 1: a one size fits all here, and there's also not

2284
01:47:58,800 --> 01:48:01,479
Speaker 1: the need to punish you for your success in the NFL.

2285
01:48:01,640 --> 01:48:03,800
Speaker 1: The better you do, the lower you draft, and that's

2286
01:48:03,840 --> 01:48:06,960
Speaker 1: meant to inject parity into the sport. If that appeals

2287
01:48:06,960 --> 01:48:09,920
Speaker 1: to you, that is wonderful. And the Sunday product is

2288
01:48:09,920 --> 01:48:12,280
Speaker 1: going to be on TV every week for you. You

2289
01:48:12,320 --> 01:48:15,639
Speaker 1: can also have another world that exists where the better

2290
01:48:15,720 --> 01:48:19,439
Speaker 1: you do, the more doors open up, and the more

2291
01:48:19,600 --> 01:48:21,640
Speaker 1: number one recruits want to come to your school, and

2292
01:48:21,680 --> 01:48:24,320
Speaker 1: the more boosters want to invest in your program. I've

2293
01:48:24,360 --> 01:48:26,839
Speaker 1: always that's appealed to me. I've always liked that about college.

2294
01:48:26,880 --> 01:48:29,800
Speaker 1: So and that's aside from just the whole tradition and

2295
01:48:29,840 --> 01:48:33,599
Speaker 1: pageantry and the fact that it is a I think

2296
01:48:33,640 --> 01:48:36,559
Speaker 1: it's a brand driven sport, maybe more than a star

2297
01:48:36,680 --> 01:48:39,280
Speaker 1: driven sport or a player driven sport, even though superstar

2298
01:48:39,360 --> 01:48:42,640
Speaker 1: players still transcend that. But you know, like you, you

2299
01:48:42,680 --> 01:48:45,880
Speaker 1: may watch Clemson last year for Trevor Lawrence, but by

2300
01:48:45,880 --> 01:48:48,519
Speaker 1: and large, if you watch Clemson, you picture the Tiger

2301
01:48:48,560 --> 01:48:51,439
Speaker 1: Paw in your in your head instead of an individual player,

2302
01:48:52,080 --> 01:48:54,160
Speaker 1: which is good because that tiger Paw is around for

2303
01:48:54,200 --> 01:48:56,439
Speaker 1: one hundred years and the players only around for four years.

2304
01:48:56,520 --> 01:48:59,160
Speaker 1: So those are the reasons that I would give.

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01:49:00,400 --> 01:49:04,840
Speaker 2: All Right, Well that was everybody except for me, Josh.

2306
01:49:05,000 --> 01:49:10,280
Speaker 2: I want to know what is your favorite pro wrestling

2307
01:49:10,600 --> 01:49:11,920
Speaker 2: rivalry of all time?

2308
01:49:12,640 --> 01:49:15,559
Speaker 1: Well the answer here is The Rock and Steve Austin.

2309
01:49:15,680 --> 01:49:18,479
Speaker 1: They main invented three WrestleManias. And if you throw nineteen

2310
01:49:18,560 --> 01:49:20,920
Speaker 1: at me and say they didn't go on last I'm

2311
01:49:21,000 --> 01:49:22,240
Speaker 1: just going to come back at you and say it's

2312
01:49:22,240 --> 01:49:23,720
Speaker 1: because he was in the hospital the night before. So

2313
01:49:23,760 --> 01:49:25,280
Speaker 1: we all know they made event to three of them.

2314
01:49:25,600 --> 01:49:28,040
Speaker 1: That was the very peak of my fandom. I tuned

2315
01:49:28,040 --> 01:49:30,960
Speaker 1: out shortly thereafter. I'm a firm believer that if the

2316
01:49:31,040 --> 01:49:34,000
Speaker 1: main event at WrestleMania seventeen and Houston has handled differently,

2317
01:49:34,040 --> 01:49:36,880
Speaker 1: then I'm still tuned in. But that's twenty years ago now,

2318
01:49:37,040 --> 01:49:40,080
Speaker 1: literally twenty years ago. So I'm not going to focus

2319
01:49:40,080 --> 01:49:42,680
Speaker 1: on sour grapes too much. But I'm going Rock and

2320
01:49:42,720 --> 01:49:43,759
Speaker 1: Steve Austin Man.

2321
01:49:44,800 --> 01:49:47,000
Speaker 10: Josh, how do we get you on the playoff committee?

2322
01:49:47,680 --> 01:49:50,120
Speaker 1: That's a great question, Colin. When you figure that out,

2323
01:49:50,160 --> 01:49:52,960
Speaker 1: why don't you let me know? Just let me know,

2324
01:49:54,120 --> 01:49:57,080
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, and I don't want to sound arrogant,

2325
01:49:57,360 --> 01:50:01,479
Speaker 1: but I'm smarter than everyone in that room. Again, not

2326
01:50:01,520 --> 01:50:04,040
Speaker 1: to sound arrogant, far be it from me. It's South

2327
01:50:04,120 --> 01:50:06,400
Speaker 1: Derrikan and I'm definitely not putting this in the show.

2328
01:50:06,600 --> 01:50:09,080
Speaker 1: But i want to be on the playoff committee. I

2329
01:50:09,120 --> 01:50:10,639
Speaker 1: want to be there because I would not be one

2330
01:50:10,680 --> 01:50:13,160
Speaker 1: of those dudes who look terrible in the photo ops

2331
01:50:13,160 --> 01:50:15,920
Speaker 1: sitting in the ballroom at the hotel. I would be

2332
01:50:16,160 --> 01:50:18,439
Speaker 1: off on my own and I would have four screens

2333
01:50:18,439 --> 01:50:19,960
Speaker 1: in front of me, and I would be dialed in.

2334
01:50:20,000 --> 01:50:22,080
Speaker 1: I'd have a headset on, not plugged in anything, but

2335
01:50:22,120 --> 01:50:24,320
Speaker 1: it's for optics, I would be dialed in.

2336
01:50:25,960 --> 01:50:27,720
Speaker 32: Well, we need someone with your kind of passion on

2337
01:50:27,760 --> 01:50:30,439
Speaker 32: there anyway, like someone's passionate about the sport and who

2338
01:50:30,520 --> 01:50:31,280
Speaker 32: knows the sport.

2339
01:50:31,960 --> 01:50:34,840
Speaker 1: And that's the very least perspective. It's got to be

2340
01:50:34,920 --> 01:50:35,599
Speaker 1: one of these PE's.

2341
01:50:36,760 --> 01:50:39,840
Speaker 31: Yeah, there's definly been a decline in sports journalism in

2342
01:50:39,880 --> 01:50:43,799
Speaker 31: my opinion, over the past a couple of years, decade,

2343
01:50:43,840 --> 01:50:45,000
Speaker 31: however long you want to put it.

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Speaker 1: Let's see the contract here. Nope, I can't talk about that.

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Speaker 1: Unfortunate though it may be, but I do appreciate it. Hey,

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Speaker 1: look we got we got a ton of stuff that

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Speaker 1: we're about to do with this show, with this brand

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Speaker 1: that is only able to exist because a lot of

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Speaker 1: people think what you just thought and articulated that a

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Speaker 1: lot of sports media and college football media has left them.

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Speaker 1: I felt that way. That's why I started doing this

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Speaker 1: a few years back. I felt that way. I looked

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Speaker 1: around and said, where did all the good stuff go? Oh,

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Speaker 1: it's gone. Let me try and make some So a

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Speaker 1: lot of people feel that way, which is open the

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Speaker 1: door for us to do this. CBS sees it, they

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Speaker 1: see the numbers and what they're doing every week. So

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Speaker 1: it's a bad thing. But yet for us selfishly, I

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Speaker 1: guess it's a really good thing.

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Speaker 32: Yeah, we love having your show, man. I mean it

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Speaker 32: gets me through all my lawnmowing sessions, all my dinners

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Speaker 32: that I cook, you know everything. I honestly that's when

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Speaker 32: I listen to your show every night I'm cooking dinner

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Speaker 32: and when I'm owning my grass.

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Speaker 25: I love It's college for the bullshit.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it, man, I appreciate it.

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Speaker 10: I drive to work.

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Speaker 1: I'm always fascinated to hear about where people listen because

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Speaker 1: I get a lot of lawnmowers, a whole lot of driving.

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Speaker 1: I get some and it makes me uncomfortable, but I

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Speaker 1: roll with it. People say I go to bed with you,

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Speaker 1: and they won't say listening to you. They just say

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Speaker 1: with you. And it's like, I think back to last

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Speaker 1: night and I was alone as could be. But if

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Speaker 1: you say so man, and so irregardless, which is I'm

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Speaker 1: told a word now wherever you listen, really appreciate you,

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Speaker 1: and really appreciate everyone doing this tonight because it was

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Speaker 1: really fun, fun stuff. I appreciate everyone tuning in. I

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Speaker 1: appreciate those who participated. Remember when we get to the

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Speaker 1: next thousand on Instagram, we're going to do this again

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Speaker 1: at late Kick Josh, make sure you're following me there Again,

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Speaker 1: load of fun. Love this format more than anything we do.

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01:52:33,280 --> 01:52:35,880
Speaker 1: It's just conversation as you can see, and there are

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Speaker 1: no constraints and no commercial breaks and know anything like that.

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Speaker 1: So really had fun. Thank you so much for watching again,

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Speaker 1: like the channel if you're on YouTube, subscribe to the

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Speaker 1: podcast if you're listening there, Thanks so much. Have a

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Speaker 1: great day and God bless