1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:04,040 Speaker 1: The complexity of managing a patient with a chronic disease 2 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:07,000 Speaker 1: turns out to be a zero some game you can't 3 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:07,360 Speaker 1: win it. 4 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:11,000 Speaker 2: He was a doctor trying to save lives from cancer 5 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:15,000 Speaker 2: and chronic disease until he realized the system itself was broken. 6 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:17,640 Speaker 1: I was at a dead end, as was the entire 7 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 1: medical system. When I couldn't find my way out, I 8 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:20,760 Speaker 1: was done. 9 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:23,640 Speaker 2: Then at his darkest moment, a spiritual awakening. 10 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 1: And so I wake up in this river and it's 11 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 1: just white everywhere, and I'm in the deepest state of 12 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 1: peace that I've ever fell, And I thought I died. 13 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 2: After that moment, his new purpose emerged from fixing the 14 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:36,880 Speaker 2: body to healing the human spirit. 15 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:39,480 Speaker 1: So if we want to plug our children back into life, 16 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 1: we're going to need to grow them up in gardens. 17 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:44,479 Speaker 1: We're going to let them know what real food tastes like. 18 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 2: And then, alongside his daughter Alyssa, he opens up about 19 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:50,560 Speaker 2: the pain and his transformation. 20 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 3: I definitely recognized in my data a shift in perspective 21 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:59,279 Speaker 3: from a rigidity to a real sense of wanting to 22 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 3: be open to everything. 23 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 2: Join hosts Martin Luther King the Third, Andrea Waters King, 24 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 2: Mark Kilberger, and Craig Kilberger for an inspiring conversation about 25 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:13,040 Speaker 2: healing ourselves, our children, and our world again. 26 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:14,840 Speaker 1: We're going to look back and be like, oh my god, 27 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:18,119 Speaker 1: we took ourselves absolutely to our knees. We destroyed every 28 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 1: last hope. We have created such a complicated. 29 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 2: Before today's episode begins, please be advised this conversation includes 30 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 2: discussions about suicide and mental health. Some of the content 31 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 2: may be distressing. If you or someone you know is struggling, 32 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:41,959 Speaker 2: help is available. Call the National Suicide and Crisis Lifeline 33 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 2: at nine eight eight or text home to seven four 34 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 2: one seven four one to reach the crisis text line. 35 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 2: These services are free and available twenty four to seven. 36 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 4: Welcome to My Legacy. Today, we're joined by a man 37 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 4: whose work asked the big questions about life, death and 38 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 4: what it means to truly connect. 39 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 3: Zach. 40 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 4: We're really excited, we're honored to have you here, and 41 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 4: as you heard, it's a very unique show because we 42 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:08,839 Speaker 4: want to always hear from a voice as someone who 43 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 4: knows you so well, so closely, and so would you 44 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 4: please introduce your guest, your plus one, who's joining you 45 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:15,799 Speaker 4: here today. 46 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 1: I'm a little considering may A misunderstood. I thought I 47 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:20,799 Speaker 1: was supposed to bring somebody that had seen my breakdowns, 48 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 1: my breaker so maybe brought their own person. 49 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 3: But this is my lovely. 50 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:27,520 Speaker 1: Daughter, Alyssa Bush, and it's just a thrill to be 51 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:27,919 Speaker 1: with her. 52 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:30,919 Speaker 2: Thank you for having me well, Zach, we're so excited. 53 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:33,639 Speaker 4: And I mean this was sincerity because we followed your 54 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 4: work so deeply, because you explore something that is so rare, 55 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 4: so underappreciated, given us a cornerstone of everyone's life. You 56 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 4: have been with people at the departure moment, at the 57 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:48,639 Speaker 4: moment of death, and so what has been with those 58 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 4: individuals taught you how to live life. 59 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 1: A lot of what I was learning as a doctor 60 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:57,799 Speaker 1: very quickly is the complexity of cancer as a disease 61 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 1: or diabetes or whatnot. We would memorize, you know, cellular pathways, 62 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 1: and then drug pathways, then drug side effects, and then 63 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 1: you know antidotes, the drug side effects, and the complexity 64 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 1: of managing a patient with a chronic disease turns out 65 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:15,920 Speaker 1: to be a zero sum game. You can't win it. 66 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 1: You cannot manage chronic disease. And so my first seventeen 67 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:24,919 Speaker 1: years of academic you know, experience basically proved that. It 68 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 1: is like I was at a dead end, as was 69 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:29,800 Speaker 1: the entire medical system, which is now a five trillion 70 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 1: dollar industry just the United States alone globally nine trillion 71 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 1: dollars nine trillion dollar industry is at a dead end 72 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 1: and realizes now it cannot treat chronic disease. And so 73 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 1: that we were at a I was at a personal 74 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 1: dead end of designing chemotherapy for cancer because I couldn't 75 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 1: fix the problem that was too complicated to fix. And 76 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 1: that's when I began marching upstream of the problem, and 77 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 1: for my path, it was nutrition. Began that journey. My 78 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 1: chemotherapy was a an abstraction of nutrition. It was a 79 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 1: vitamin A compound that I was giving at high doses, 80 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 1: and in the end found out that you have to 81 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 1: go to the original wound before somebody can heal a cancer, 82 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 1: and the original wound is actually super simple compared to 83 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 1: the downstream symptoms. And I feel like this is where 84 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:23,839 Speaker 1: we're now at is we have created such a complicated 85 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 1: mess as humans that is now expressing osteosarcoma is in 86 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 1: two year old children. We didn't used to see that 87 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:34,279 Speaker 1: cancer until eighty We've got two year olds with osteosarcoma, 88 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 1: which means a two year old is living enough stress 89 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 1: in two years to express the disease of an eighty 90 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 1: year old. So we have a compounding genetic crisis that 91 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:46,039 Speaker 1: we call cancer. That is a symptom ultimately of a 92 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:49,280 Speaker 1: compounding phenomenon in humans is that we tend to pass 93 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 1: on our trauma better than we do pass on our 94 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:52,160 Speaker 1: best traits. 95 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 5: I'm going to turn back to your literal work because 96 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:00,359 Speaker 5: I know that you have guided many people through the 97 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 5: ultimate transition. I was with my mom through her ultimate transition, 98 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 5: which in many ways so many emotions that go with that. 99 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 5: In some ways it was the greatest honor of my 100 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:19,280 Speaker 5: life and the greatest gift, I think, to someone who 101 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 5: gave so much to me. But one of the things 102 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:26,480 Speaker 5: that I would curious about is that, since you've been 103 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 5: with many families through that, is there one particular family 104 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 5: or story that is stuck with you over the years. 105 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:38,840 Speaker 1: I think, y know, they're almost inseparable in the sense that's, uh, 106 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 1: the only thing that we all do exactly the same 107 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:47,160 Speaker 1: way as die. And there's actually quite quite a few 108 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:49,720 Speaker 1: ways to be born in some ways, you know, there's 109 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 1: there's a lot of cultures that you can been born 110 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 1: into which immediately change your experience. Uh, the womb that 111 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 1: you're growing in is gonna change your experience, but the 112 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:02,160 Speaker 1: death you have is not going to change your experience. 113 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 1: The other side is the exact same for everybody as 114 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:07,840 Speaker 1: my my experience and as a hospite doctor, I was 115 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:10,599 Speaker 1: admitting eighty patients a week to die and I did 116 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 1: that for four years. When you've seen thousands and thousands 117 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:16,039 Speaker 1: and thousands of death, you get s to find out, like, 118 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 1: that's the unifying moment of all souls, is we will 119 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:21,839 Speaker 1: all cross to that other side where there's only one culture, 120 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 1: where there's only one language, and it's l It's some 121 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:27,159 Speaker 1: form of love. It's some sort of vibrational frequency of 122 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:30,359 Speaker 1: complete acceptance, which is maybe a more complete version of 123 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 1: this vague concept of we love. We have confused in 124 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 1: a lot of ways anything but acceptance is a maybe 125 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:40,360 Speaker 1: a more profound word. What if you were completely accepted, 126 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 1: one hundred percent completely accepted. And that's what I saw 127 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 1: happen again and again and again when people would have 128 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 1: the near death experience and come back across the veil 129 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 1: again to tell you one last thing. They will tell 130 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:52,719 Speaker 1: you again and again. It's like I am perfect, My 131 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:55,840 Speaker 1: journey was perfect. And they come in with this light 132 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 1: in their eyes of just such joy and such peace 133 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 1: and com with it. But they look every bit the 134 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 1: child that they did when they came in. And I 135 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 1: never saw somebody come across the back from the veil fraid. 136 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 1: There's no fear of guilt or shame over there. 137 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 6: Yeah, that's a that's a wow moment. Maybe in a moment, 138 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 6: but wow. You know, Alyssa, your dad sees deaf as 139 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 6: a sacred transition. What was it like growing up in 140 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 6: home where death wasn't feared but deeply respected. 141 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 3: For most of my childhood, I didn't really have any 142 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 3: grasp on what my dad was doing, And even to 143 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 3: this day, I have a hard time kind of putting 144 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 3: into words what it is he kind of spends his 145 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 3: time doing. As far as what he communicated to us about, 146 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 3: you know, his work and all of that. It had 147 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 3: more to do with just kind of leaning into the 148 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:57,679 Speaker 3: beauty of childhood, and it really I don't think death 149 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 3: was much of a topic of conversation in our home 150 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 3: so much as it was celebrating life. And I guess 151 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 3: the memory that is coming to my mind now is 152 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 3: in my early childhood, one of my great aunts passed 153 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 3: away from cancer, and that was something I experienced through 154 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 3: a child's experience of not quite understanding what was going on. 155 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 1: You know. 156 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 3: I saw the family grieving in a certain way, and 157 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 3: I felt a type of sadness, but you know, not 158 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 3: a true grief that most, you know, adults have a 159 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 3: better understanding of. And my dad's response at the time, 160 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 3: we were driving home we got the call. I don't 161 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 3: know I from this. We got the call that she 162 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 3: had passed, and I think your response was like, oh, 163 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:41,960 Speaker 3: thank God, like she can be at peace. And that 164 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 3: was pretty impactful for me as a kid to see that. 165 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 3: I didn't expect it. I kind of was like, Oh, 166 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 3: I thought we were supposed to be really sad in 167 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:52,440 Speaker 3: this moment, and instead I was like, Oh, that's a 168 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 3: different way of looking at it, maybe a more joyful 169 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 3: kind of quick transition to the celebration of their life 170 00:08:59,520 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 3: and their st. 171 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:03,560 Speaker 5: That's beautiful because it seems like what when you're sharing 172 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:07,079 Speaker 5: the story is that it's carved within your memory and 173 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 5: it has impacted So he taught you without sitting down 174 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 5: and having elections and Alyssa, Okay. 175 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 2: When death comes, please you know so like. 176 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:19,680 Speaker 5: He But he taught you by living and by being, 177 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 5: which is most ways the greatest way. Up next, Zach 178 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 5: shares the near death experience that changed everything for him 179 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 5: and the hope he has for the world. 180 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 7: Now back to my legacy inact. You have been there 181 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 7: with thousands of people who have passed. What were some 182 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:42,560 Speaker 7: of the greatest regrets, What are some of the greatest moments, 183 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 7: What were some of the greatest memories sitting next to 184 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 7: those thousands of individuals and those bedsides. 185 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 1: What gives you a hope of That's a book that 186 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 1: radically changed my life. And there's been quite a few 187 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 1: radical changes in my life, I think, and my daughter 188 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:59,320 Speaker 1: and my son have watched me through many death reverse cycles. 189 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 1: But all this that I'm sharing right now is why 190 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 1: I didn't share much with my kids, you know, growing up, 191 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 1: because what do you tell your kids, Like, what do 192 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 1: you really tell them you're doing? You really want them 193 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 1: to know what you're doing, And at no point did 194 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 1: I really feel like I wanted them to know what 195 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 1: I was doing. But the book that really shifted things 196 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 1: from about four or five years ago, thank God, it 197 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 1: came into my life. Is called The Course of Miracles, 198 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 1: and it was a text that was, you know, channeled 199 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 1: by a woman who did not believe there was a 200 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 1: god in the nineteen seventies, and suddenly this, this pure 201 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 1: voice of divine came through her and wrote this book. 202 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 1: And the last I mean, every single page will change 203 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 1: your life. And you probably have to read every page, 204 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 1: if you're like me, four or five times to find 205 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:43,960 Speaker 1: out how many times it can change your life, cause 206 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 1: every page reads different every time you read it. But 207 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 1: the last line, essentially in that body of wisdom is 208 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:53,840 Speaker 1: that it says that the last thing I will do 209 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 1: in this human body is lego of judgment. I knew 210 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:00,840 Speaker 1: that line for quite some time, and then I was 211 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 1: stunned by the first half of the sentence, cause I'd 212 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:05,599 Speaker 1: been so enamored with letting go of judgment. I was like, 213 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:07,320 Speaker 1: that took me quite a while to just wrap my head. 214 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 1: What would the world look like without judgment? What would 215 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:12,199 Speaker 1: I feel like if I didn't have judgment towards myself? 216 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:15,680 Speaker 1: But then I got really excited when I realized the 217 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 1: first sentence, or first half of the sentence, which is 218 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:21,320 Speaker 1: the last thing I will do in this human body. Mm, 219 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:23,079 Speaker 1: not the last thing I will do in human body, 220 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 1: the last thing I will do in this human body. 221 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 1: And so now what I'm dedicated to with my my 222 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:31,440 Speaker 1: projects and everything is can we create the container in 223 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 1: the environment in which we let go of judgment for 224 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 1: a moment, Because if in that moment we do, we 225 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 1: will no longer have this human body, We'll have a 226 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:43,319 Speaker 1: new human body. All of my patients rebirthed at death 227 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 1: and became devoid of fear, guilt and shame. Is it 228 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 1: possible that we could become free of fear, guilt and 229 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:52,200 Speaker 1: shame through the loss of judgment before we die? 230 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 5: Mm? 231 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 1: Can we have a collective near death experience right now 232 00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:00,319 Speaker 1: before we go extinct? We've got maybe a decade or 233 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 1: two to figure that out. And fortunately humans change when 234 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 1: the crisis gets big enough, and we're starting to stare 235 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 1: at a big enough crisis of our children unable to 236 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 1: have children, that we might be able to have a 237 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:15,840 Speaker 1: collective of near death experience and lose judgment on one 238 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 1: another for just that moment. And so that's the the 239 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 1: silver lining of like again, we're gonna look back and 240 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 1: be like, oh my god, we did the journey perfectly. 241 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 1: We took ourselves absolutely to our knees. We destroyed every 242 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:29,680 Speaker 1: last hope until we were at the gates of order 243 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 1: and those gates were opening and the flood of evil 244 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 1: was coming through, and there was no chance that we 245 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:37,440 Speaker 1: were gonna survive. And then we would come up with 246 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 1: that golden moment of forgiveness and we would start a 247 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 1: radical revolution of biology, let alone psychology. Our biology will 248 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 1: change when we let go of that, and I think 249 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 1: it will erase the epigenetic trauma that we pass on tack. 250 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 7: You speak of the fact that you've had your death 251 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 7: experiences yourself in terms of your spiritual moments of spiritual 252 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 7: breakthroughs one in twenty ten, would you be open to 253 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 7: sharing with us a little bit about that. 254 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 1: That's one that Alicia doesn't know, probably too, like these 255 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 1: are again things you don't share with your kids. But 256 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:14,960 Speaker 1: I had a very strange experience in February twenty ten. 257 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 1: But uh, I mean, you guys knew that something had happened. 258 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 1: But I went off or a highway at a high 259 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:23,200 Speaker 1: speed in uh, February twenty ten. 260 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:24,840 Speaker 3: But it had it. 261 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 1: It came at an interesting moment because I had been 262 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 1: for the last year pretty depressed and severely depressed, but 263 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 1: didn't feel the ability to talk about that cause my 264 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:37,200 Speaker 1: wife and her family and so many of my patients 265 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:40,080 Speaker 1: were depressed and suicidal and all that. And so as 266 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:43,440 Speaker 1: a doctor and as the oldest kid my my family 267 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 1: and the oldest kid in my church and the poster 268 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:48,560 Speaker 1: child of success, like I actually did come to my 269 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 1: folks at one point and try to explain over at 270 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:55,679 Speaker 1: dinner that I was super depressed, and they understandably kind 271 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:57,960 Speaker 1: of laughed it off cause I I didn't look like 272 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 1: I didn't fit the picture at all, and so I 273 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 1: was desperately at a dead end. This is when I 274 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 1: was experiencing the pharmaceutical industry is kind of shutting down 275 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 1: my cancer research and all that was at the end. 276 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 1: I was a major debt from my school situation from 277 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 1: all those years, and my kids were starting to head 278 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:16,840 Speaker 1: towards college and I didn't have money for that, and 279 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 1: I was I was just like as a male dad 280 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 1: in America, la all of this stuff, like I couldn't 281 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 1: find my way out. I was done, And so I 282 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 1: had come up with an idea of like, well, how 283 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 1: can I get lots of money from my family and 284 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 1: all this, and so I had come up with this, 285 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 1: you know, idea of a suicide where I could drive 286 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 1: off a bridge that was on my way home on 287 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 1: this one highway. I played something out, I'm stuck. My 288 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 1: kids are not they can go do their thing. They 289 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 1: don't need me, My wife doesn't need me. Like I 290 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 1: had this story in my head that's all of us 291 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 1: will create when we're depressed, all of us will create. 292 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 1: And then this car accident happens, and we were hit 293 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 1: by one of the largest storms in Virginia history, twenty 294 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 1: two inches of snow in six hours, which hardly ever 295 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 1: snow's in Virginia, and this huge snowstorm and borrowed my 296 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 1: brother's vehicle cause it had been forecast we'd have a 297 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 1: snow and I was gonna be one of the few 298 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 1: doctors that would make it to the hospital because nobody 299 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 1: can drive in the snow and Virginia and I grew 300 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 1: up in Colorado driving over snow all the time. So 301 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 1: it was like another day at the office. 302 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 7: So I got up early. 303 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 1: And was topping wood because we had this log home 304 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 1: that we had just built in the woods, and we 305 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 1: heate it with a wood burning stove, and I was 306 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 1: running up the hill with a load of wood because 307 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 1: I was trying to run late and slipped and fell 308 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 1: and piece of firewood and split wood, and I came 309 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 1: and separated my ribs across my left chest and tore 310 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 1: a bunch of the muscles between the ribs. And so 311 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 1: I was having this intense vistral chest pain. And got 312 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 1: all the wood delivered and cursedly cleaned off the vehicle 313 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 1: and then drove to try to get to the hospital. 314 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 1: And when I got past all of the tiny little 315 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 1: country roads and got out to the highway, there's not 316 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 1: a car and sikes and nobody drives and in there, 317 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 1: but they had plowed it. And so I called my 318 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 1: wife and told her, hey, I made it and it'll 319 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 1: be in the hospital ten minutes. And I was on 320 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 1: the phone with her when I passed out at sixty 321 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 1: miles an hour, and the vistral chest pain had created 322 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 1: a situation where the car finally warmed up and my 323 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:10,080 Speaker 1: body relaxed cause I got to the highway and everything else, 324 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 1: and as soon as I relaxed, I vased, dilated and 325 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 1: passed out and woke up seven minutes later. My cell 326 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 1: phone had fallen into my lap, and so I was 327 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:21,360 Speaker 1: sitting there ticking along and there was no cell phone 328 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 1: signal or anything. And I woke up in this car 329 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 1: in a river. And so, in some strange way, the 330 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 1: universe had worked out my death sequence, you know that 331 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 1: I had dreamed up. And so I wake up in 332 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 1: this river and it's just white everywhere, and I'm in 333 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 1: the deepest state of peace that I've ever felt. And 334 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 1: I thought I died, you know, I just I literally 335 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 1: just thought I was dead. And then after some minutes, 336 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 1: like realized I was in some sort of physical body, 337 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 1: but I was in a river that I I one 338 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 1: moment in my experience, I'm on a highway, and then 339 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 1: the next minute, I'm in a river that's up to 340 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 1: the doors in the vehicle, and got out on top 341 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 1: of the vehicle through the window, and there was a 342 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 1: tree like looked like it was made for me. Like 343 00:16:58,240 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 1: you didn't even have to jump in. It was like 344 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 1: climbed down the branch and go to the shore of 345 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:06,360 Speaker 1: the river. And I thought I was in some other place. 346 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:08,679 Speaker 1: I thought, because the highway just had disappeared, there's no 347 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:12,400 Speaker 1: evidence of anything. So I go clambering up the side 348 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 1: of the snow bank and get to the to the 349 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 1: top of the thing and realize the highways there. I 350 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 1: didn't know there was this little river down below this highway. 351 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:23,640 Speaker 1: So I said, oh, I'm on twenty nine and trying 352 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 1: to piece it together in my head, and then suddenly realized, 353 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:28,400 Speaker 1: kind of coming into the present, that there's a man 354 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 1: standing in the middle of highway, like fifteen feet in 355 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:33,360 Speaker 1: front of me, no cars anywhere, and he's a state trooper. 356 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:37,440 Speaker 1: And so it's now so surreal, cause it's like snow everywhere, white, 357 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 1: You're getting white everywhere, and the state trooper standing there 358 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 1: staring at me, not talking for a minute, and then 359 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:48,480 Speaker 1: he's watching me with a similar face of confusion, and 360 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 1: I get oriented and I stand in front of him, 361 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 1: and I've I realized I must be making this Saint Peter, 362 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 1: because I must be at the gates of Heaven. And 363 00:17:57,119 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 1: of course I would make him a state trooper, because 364 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:01,679 Speaker 1: what he probably wouldn't make sense if he was in 365 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 1: a robe or something. I feel better with him being 366 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 1: a state trooper. 367 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 3: And at that. 368 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 1: Moment he holds up his hand, he says, son, how 369 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:11,639 Speaker 1: did you get here? So I'm immediately on the soapbox 370 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 1: to get into heaven. I'm like, well, I got to 371 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:16,879 Speaker 1: give this guy my resumee, and so I launch in 372 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 1: only a Zach bush Cat and like, I mean, I 373 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:22,399 Speaker 1: am full on, like this is like Craig getting up 374 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:24,920 Speaker 1: in front of a group, like just like I'm projecting 375 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:27,600 Speaker 1: my voice and I'm like, I did this, and I 376 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 1: did the missions field, and I did this, and I 377 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:33,400 Speaker 1: was saved children and like a doctor, I got two 378 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 1: great kids. They're doing this, and this guy looks more 379 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 1: confused with everything I put on. So I feel like 380 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 1: I'm feeling my tests into heaven. And so I'm getting 381 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 1: more and more persistent. Now I'm like down to like, 382 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 1: well I was reading tutor, Like I'm like clearly like 383 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 1: running on fumes on my ideas on how to get 384 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:53,159 Speaker 1: into heaven. At this point, and then he holds up 385 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 1: his hand again. He says, son, how did you physically 386 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 1: get here? And at that point I lost lost my 387 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 1: patience altogether and I started screaming at him. I was like, 388 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 1: how did you get here physically? 389 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 4: You know? 390 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:05,399 Speaker 1: I was screaming at the State trooper because I was 391 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:07,680 Speaker 1: just out of all. I didn't know where I was either. 392 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 1: I was dead or alive, or the universe I was in. 393 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 1: And in the end he pieced together that he showed 394 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 1: me what he had found, and my car had actually 395 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 1: gone off the highway, almost a quarter mile off the road, 396 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:23,720 Speaker 1: and it jumped off an eight foot you know, bank 397 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 1: of snow that had been plowed over the rails, and 398 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:28,200 Speaker 1: I'd gone through the air for forty or fifty meters 399 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 1: before he landed on two wheels. And then the vehicle 400 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:32,880 Speaker 1: settled and drove itself around the corner of the highway 401 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:34,920 Speaker 1: until there was a break in the trees. Took a 402 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:37,160 Speaker 1: night de return, went down to the river without touching 403 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:40,159 Speaker 1: a tree. So in the end, I'm here by the 404 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:42,440 Speaker 1: grace of God, by hands I don't understand. 405 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:43,480 Speaker 3: And it was the. 406 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:45,479 Speaker 1: State trooper who named it. And he pieced it all 407 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:48,080 Speaker 1: together with me sticking in his sticking me into his 408 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 1: patrol car to warm up when I was in total 409 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 1: shock from being cold and wet, and he pulled me 410 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 1: back out as I was about to sit down in there, 411 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 1: and he pulled me back out, helped me by the shoulder. 412 00:19:58,240 --> 00:19:59,920 Speaker 1: He said, son, God is trying to tell you something, 413 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:04,639 Speaker 1: and so what I can tell you about everything, I 414 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 1: guess in the end is we don't have a freaking 415 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 1: clue what's going on here. Something is happening here that 416 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 1: is so divinely appointment. You cannot come off your purpose, 417 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 1: you cannot come off your road, you cannot get lost 418 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 1: here on this earth watching a thousand deaths, living a 419 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 1: couple of weird versions of death. We don't know what's 420 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:24,679 Speaker 1: going on here, and we need to have grace on 421 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:27,920 Speaker 1: each other for that. And you start holding ourselves accountable 422 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 1: as if we knew what was going on, and as 423 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:32,640 Speaker 1: if the universe had made us to figure things out. 424 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:38,120 Speaker 4: Zach, you described this I I life transformational experience. There's 425 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 4: no other way to describe it. In so much your 426 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 4: work has been anchored because of these life transformational moments, 427 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 4: and from that you've now inspired millions of people. One 428 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 4: of the beauties of this is we get to see 429 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 4: it through your eyes. I I am so curious. You know, 430 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:55,920 Speaker 4: as a young woman at the time, twelve years old, 431 00:20:56,000 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 4: did you understand what was this transformational moment with your father? 432 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 4: Did it manifest and how you saw him and how 433 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:08,200 Speaker 4: your own relationship was potentially. 434 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:11,720 Speaker 3: Changed not consciously at the time. Truthfully, a lot of 435 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 3: the details of that was first time I've heard right now, 436 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:20,720 Speaker 3: I think subconsciously, certainly, there was a transitional period of 437 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 3: time I was ten years old in twenty ten. In 438 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 3: those couple of years, I definitely recognized in my dad 439 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 3: a shift in perspective from kind of, you know, a 440 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 3: rigidity to a real sense of like wanting to be 441 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:40,480 Speaker 3: open to everything. And that was definitely something I picked 442 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 3: up on. And he never intentionally taught us that, but 443 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 3: I kind of attached onto that mentality of like, let's 444 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 3: actually maybe believe in anything, Like let's open our minds 445 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:56,200 Speaker 3: up to the possibility that things that we can't conceptualize 446 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:59,160 Speaker 3: are true and real. And that's something that I still 447 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:01,399 Speaker 3: kind of like hold on to as part of my 448 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 3: belief system. But yeah, in terms of how it changed 449 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:10,119 Speaker 3: our relationship, I think that at least now our relationship 450 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 3: has kind of shifted more towards these conversations that we 451 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 3: continue to have of you know, what do you think 452 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 3: is possible in the world, and trying to challenge each 453 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:24,240 Speaker 3: other in our own belief systems and ask each other questions. 454 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:28,679 Speaker 3: And I really appreciate how much value you put in 455 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 3: my opinion and thoughts about the world as well. 456 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:36,720 Speaker 5: Which when you're not around again, when we have breakfasts 457 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:40,959 Speaker 5: with Zach. You know he was quoting his listen, my daughter, Lissa, 458 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 5: my daughter. So you and you, I hope you know 459 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:50,880 Speaker 5: how much you are such an inspiration if you will 460 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 5: to your dad when you're not anywhere in the room. 461 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:59,639 Speaker 4: Scrolling won't change your life, but subscribing just might tap that. 462 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 4: But and then stay connected to conversations that can't. 463 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 2: Now back to my legacy. 464 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:11,320 Speaker 7: And so we recently all co wrote a book called 465 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:15,679 Speaker 7: What Is My Legacy? And we looked at the issues 466 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:18,440 Speaker 7: facing humanity in terms of what we termed is a 467 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:23,200 Speaker 7: perma crisis, unfortunately a term that's unfortunately well used now. 468 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 7: And we looked to the fact that disconnection, at the 469 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 7: end of the day is where we see so much 470 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:32,400 Speaker 7: of the challenges facing our world. Disconnection from self, disconnection 471 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:35,159 Speaker 7: from others, disconnection from our world, including our natural world. 472 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:38,679 Speaker 7: In Zact, I know you've talked about connection and disconnection. 473 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 7: You've talked about the natural world and how it's a 474 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:44,439 Speaker 7: healing piece. What wisdom can you share with us on 475 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:46,720 Speaker 7: the issue of disconnection, connection and how do we heal 476 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 7: from disconnection? 477 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:53,320 Speaker 1: So the process of biology is one of the concentration 478 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 1: of light energy. And so the brightest things that happens 479 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:59,240 Speaker 1: in physics is nuclear fission and fusion, so that we 480 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 1: call those a sign or a star, and they're bright, 481 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 1: and they generate an enormous amount of heat, which can 482 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:10,480 Speaker 1: then be generated light energy or heat energy or any 483 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 1: phase the electromagntic field, and it can't great life, and 484 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 1: so despite all of that energy, not a single cell occurs. 485 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 1: What happens is that light radiates through space with representing 486 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:27,159 Speaker 1: just pure potential, but it's all in a wave, and 487 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 1: then suddenly it hits something that's still. And when a 488 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:34,680 Speaker 1: still thing witnesses something moving, when a still thing witnesses anything, 489 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 1: it becomes particle two. And then suddenly, as you start 490 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:41,439 Speaker 1: to turn a bunch of particles into particles and you 491 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 1: start to consolidate a planet, and it's all witnessing itself. 492 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,639 Speaker 1: So now this particle is witnessing another particle, and that 493 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 1: becomes a more complex particle in that one witnesses that, 494 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 1: and pretty soon it's self manifesting stacking functions of complexity 495 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:58,200 Speaker 1: or geometry in space time. And then suddenly a miracle 496 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 1: happens where light energy can actually co crate into a 497 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:06,919 Speaker 1: higher level of concentration, and the thing that does that 498 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:10,239 Speaker 1: best is green things chlorophyll. And it turns out that 499 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 1: life is the result of light concentrated at one thousand 500 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 1: x and so a thousand times brighter than the sun, 501 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 1: you'll hit enough energy to actually create centropy, which is 502 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 1: order out of chaos. And so the single bacteria requires 503 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 1: something like a thousand times more energy than physics can do, 504 00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 1: and so you have to concentrate light to become life. 505 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:35,440 Speaker 1: Then to get multi cellar life, you have to tenx 506 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 1: the energy field again, and that's what happened when mitochondria 507 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:42,119 Speaker 1: came along. And so mitochondria are specialized bacteria that are 508 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:45,439 Speaker 1: actually two bacteria that are cooperating to tenx the efficiency 509 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 1: of concentrating light energy. And so now the chlorophyll is 510 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:51,480 Speaker 1: collecting the CO two out of the atmosphere and storing 511 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:53,840 Speaker 1: a photon of sunlight in a carbon bond, and then 512 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 1: it builds out a long chain of carbons and lots 513 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 1: of CO twos, and now you got a battery of sunlight, 514 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:04,439 Speaker 1: and that's passage into the soil plant into human and 515 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,920 Speaker 1: our mitochondri break those carbons apart and release sunlight. Again, 516 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:11,400 Speaker 1: inside of our cells, we are light beings that are 517 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,680 Speaker 1: representing ourselves as particle. Einstein told us we can be 518 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 1: a wave or a particle at the same time. If 519 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:19,720 Speaker 1: you're witnessed, you are a particle. And so this is 520 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 1: what we're all moving to is can we witness each 521 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,880 Speaker 1: other enough to recognize that this is ten thousand times 522 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:26,960 Speaker 1: brighter than the sun. This is ten thousand times brighter. 523 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:30,040 Speaker 1: So this concentration of energy that we call life takes 524 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 1: that much energy because life is so complicated to coordinate, 525 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:37,040 Speaker 1: and so it takes an enormous amount of communication to 526 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,639 Speaker 1: allow for a multi sell other organism to occur, and 527 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,919 Speaker 1: that communication requires a lot of energy. And we are 528 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 1: witnessing this in our cell phones. Your cell phone battery 529 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 1: goes dead in ten hours trying to do all that communication. 530 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:50,879 Speaker 1: You're communicating with the World Wide Web, you're communicating with 531 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:54,160 Speaker 1: your grandmother, you're communicating with the kids. That takes energy, 532 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:56,680 Speaker 1: So you're draining your battery. And so what we find 533 00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,080 Speaker 1: out in a human body, which is a seventy trillion 534 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:03,880 Speaker 1: cell to organized seventy trillion cells are now communicating, that 535 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,800 Speaker 1: takes so much energy to make that whole system coordinate 536 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 1: and cooperate, and so health is this concentrational light energy. 537 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:15,240 Speaker 1: Disease is simply the loss of communication that then leads 538 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,760 Speaker 1: to a loss of light concentration. You start to dim 539 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 1: human biology in other word, for that is decrease metabolism, 540 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,720 Speaker 1: and you get the whole cascade of disease. The first 541 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,400 Speaker 1: thing that tends to happen when you start to decrease 542 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,400 Speaker 1: the amount of information or connection as you were asking about, 543 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:35,080 Speaker 1: is inflammation. And inflammation is what happens when an immune 544 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:38,639 Speaker 1: system starts to dysfunction. The first thing that happens when 545 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,399 Speaker 1: immune system starts to lose its energy is and therefore 546 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,440 Speaker 1: it's the first is im It's the first organ within 547 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,680 Speaker 1: the human bye two dysfunction when energy is decreasing, cause 548 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,159 Speaker 1: it's the most energy demanding. And if you don't believe 549 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,760 Speaker 1: this at just tell me what's the what's taking more 550 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,280 Speaker 1: energy in your life? Anything else where would you put 551 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 1: your marriage? Is that taking more energy than anything you've 552 00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:59,920 Speaker 1: ever done. Probably if you've had kids, that's probably number 553 00:27:59,920 --> 00:28:04,080 Speaker 1: ten behind it. And so relationships are just inherently demanding 554 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:15,400 Speaker 1: of energy. It takes a normal and so in the end, 555 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:20,159 Speaker 1: the first symptom of a loss of communication. Therefore, a 556 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 1: loss of energy is inflammation, and if you look at 557 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 1: human behavior, we follow that at the societal level. Immediately, 558 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:30,480 Speaker 1: when everything's thriving in an economy, everybody's pretty happy, everything's 559 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:34,040 Speaker 1: doing well, you start to decrease the metabolism or energy 560 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 1: available to all the members of the society, you get inflammation. 561 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 1: You get inflammation in our political rhetoric, you get inflammation 562 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:44,720 Speaker 1: in our relationships within the home. And now today we 563 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 1: get to witness the dimming of the lights of a 564 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:50,120 Speaker 1: human species because we started raising our children on food 565 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 1: that is made with antibiotics that kill those little mitochondria 566 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:56,360 Speaker 1: inside of ourselves, such that our children are dimmer than 567 00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:01,720 Speaker 1: we were, and we are much than our great grandparents were. 568 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:06,360 Speaker 1: Per cell period, there's not no no human has escaped that, 569 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:10,719 Speaker 1: no earthworm has escaped. This earth per biologic cubic centimeter 570 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,800 Speaker 1: is burning dimmer now than it did in the nineteen sixties. 571 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:20,160 Speaker 5: And that's course corrected by embracing inter allowing the interconnectedness. 572 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:22,560 Speaker 1: That's the beauty of that whole equation that I lay 573 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,600 Speaker 1: down is we created the problem. We know the path 574 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:29,040 Speaker 1: back out and it's reconnection. To soil ultimately, cause it's 575 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:33,960 Speaker 1: the relationship between bacteria, fungi, and mitochondria that concentrate light 576 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,160 Speaker 1: energy for life. So if we want to plug our 577 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,320 Speaker 1: children back into life, we're gonna need to grow them 578 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 1: up in gardens. We're gonna let them know what real 579 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 1: food tastes like, and they're gonna start to burn brighter. 580 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:49,800 Speaker 5: So on that same line of generations and this new 581 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:55,360 Speaker 5: generation that is coming forth, Alyssa, I greatly admire how 582 00:29:55,480 --> 00:30:00,840 Speaker 5: outspoken that you've been on identity activism and the lbgt 583 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 5: Q plus community. 584 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:04,760 Speaker 3: I got everything right. 585 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,000 Speaker 5: I asked my daughter that too. It's like, make sure 586 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 5: I get and I would love for you to share 587 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,720 Speaker 5: with us. And I'm very curious, is that what helped 588 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:17,000 Speaker 5: you step into your identity with confidence? Particular having you 589 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:21,200 Speaker 5: know Zach Bush as a dad, and what role did 590 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:22,240 Speaker 5: your father play in that. 591 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 3: I think he's chomping out of the bit because he's 592 00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:33,600 Speaker 3: the answer. No, No, I would say that what prompted 593 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:37,240 Speaker 3: me to kind of step into that with confidence? With confidence? 594 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,760 Speaker 3: That certainly does have something to do with you and 595 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:46,200 Speaker 3: my mother, who very much treated my brother and I 596 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,760 Speaker 3: with full respect of who we chose to be. Very 597 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:54,320 Speaker 3: early on, and total freedom to make choices early on. 598 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:58,960 Speaker 3: So I feel like pretty quickly I established a sense 599 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:02,640 Speaker 3: of confidence in my identity and my choices. I didn't 600 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:06,440 Speaker 3: feel a lot of strain on that. And then I 601 00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:09,719 Speaker 3: moved into, you know, my young adulthood here in New 602 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:11,600 Speaker 3: York City. I always wanted to be in New York City, 603 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:13,960 Speaker 3: not here here in my life in New York City, 604 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:18,200 Speaker 3: and that city is such a great place to be 605 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:22,640 Speaker 3: exposed to the multitude of options there are to express yourself. 606 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:26,000 Speaker 3: The beginning of my story of that was I just 607 00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:29,040 Speaker 3: fell in love with someone, and I was like, Okay, 608 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,880 Speaker 3: let's figure out what this means. I fell in love 609 00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:35,760 Speaker 3: with a woman at the time, and I found so 610 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:40,320 Speaker 3: much purpose and connection through it and really started a 611 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:46,400 Speaker 3: personal journey of identity exploration and gender exploration and sexuality 612 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:52,640 Speaker 3: exploration which is still continuing to Choo's day. Yeah, and 613 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:57,080 Speaker 3: just knowing my dad, I never anticipated anything other than 614 00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,240 Speaker 3: what exactly happened. Was I tell a story all the 615 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:04,239 Speaker 3: time with my friends. I told my dad when I 616 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:07,760 Speaker 3: was I guess twenty, I was like, hey, Dad, I'm lesbian. 617 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:12,960 Speaker 3: I fell in love with woman. What about it? And 618 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:16,480 Speaker 3: he was like, Okay, awesome, tell me more. So I 619 00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:19,360 Speaker 3: told him more, and by the end of my long 620 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:23,560 Speaker 3: kind of preamble, he was like, got it. He was 621 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:25,760 Speaker 3: like so serious, He's like, got it. I think I'm 622 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:37,000 Speaker 3: lesbian too. Daddy can't say that. The intention was certainly 623 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:40,400 Speaker 3: that he was just like so truly absorbing what I 624 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:42,920 Speaker 3: was trying to explain to up, like how I love 625 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:47,640 Speaker 3: and experience love. And so that's the role he's always played, 626 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:52,120 Speaker 3: is total open mindedness and excitement to learn about who 627 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:52,480 Speaker 3: I am. 628 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:56,200 Speaker 5: Yes, great, I know that you've studied so many ancient 629 00:32:56,280 --> 00:33:00,960 Speaker 5: wisdom and nature. What is the greatest lesson, the greatest 630 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,840 Speaker 5: lesson that you have learned in studying those things? 631 00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,720 Speaker 1: I guess it's too full. Your first acceptance uh to 632 00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:11,200 Speaker 1: heal the original wound, which was this universal abandonment from nature. 633 00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:13,400 Speaker 1: We we all walk around with a belief that we 634 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:15,840 Speaker 1: got kicked out of nature. Our religious stories tell us 635 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:20,400 Speaker 1: so we have this universal abandonment disorder, and for that 636 00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:23,800 Speaker 1: we have scarcity. The moment you think you got kicked 637 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:25,680 Speaker 1: out in nature, your moment you you're afraid you're not 638 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,400 Speaker 1: have enough tomorrow. If you're not kicked out in nature, 639 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,440 Speaker 1: then you know that nature's been providing her for itself 640 00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:32,280 Speaker 1: for at least four billion years on this planet, and 641 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:34,760 Speaker 1: so probably a good chance she's gonna do it again tomorrow. 642 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:36,680 Speaker 1: And so you don't you have a sense of abundance. 643 00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:39,600 Speaker 1: And the indigenous cultures that I've spent time with that 644 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,920 Speaker 1: are closest to that history hold on to the abundance 645 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:46,200 Speaker 1: much easier, uh than than our state due. But I'm 646 00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:48,640 Speaker 1: also witnessed with fear that it only takes one generation 647 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:52,480 Speaker 1: to separate them from that knowledge. And so it's very 648 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,440 Speaker 1: easy to separate a human from their nature, at which 649 00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,440 Speaker 1: point they get this this root wound of the abandonment disorder. 650 00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:01,360 Speaker 1: When you pass push past that one, then you get 651 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,200 Speaker 1: to the final heel, which is where you really abandoned 652 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:07,280 Speaker 1: by God, you know. And so is God in nature different? 653 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:09,120 Speaker 1: At this point, I would say they're the same thing. 654 00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:12,800 Speaker 1: One's a physical expression of the waves, So God's probably 655 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,799 Speaker 1: the the like version that's all in wave form, and 656 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,600 Speaker 1: when it's witnessed, it becomes a particle. And scriptures tell 657 00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:23,040 Speaker 1: us humans are here to so that God can see itself, 658 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,399 Speaker 1: and so that's why we're here, as we're given five 659 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,120 Speaker 1: senses to see how freaking beautiful everything is. And so 660 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,319 Speaker 1: in some ways, that's my definition of love is love 661 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:35,480 Speaker 1: is the frequency that's generated by human heart once it 662 00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:40,680 Speaker 1: witnesses beauty. And that is very reassuring because we all 663 00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:42,719 Speaker 1: know what beauty looks like. And you've never had to 664 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,160 Speaker 1: teach a child, never how to teach these guys in 665 00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:48,480 Speaker 1: our backyard. That's the sunset, that's beautiful. Stare at that 666 00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:50,880 Speaker 1: when it happens. This is a piece of art. You 667 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:54,279 Speaker 1: should go create that. It's beautiful. You never have to 668 00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,640 Speaker 1: teach a child what beauty is or how to create it. 669 00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:59,160 Speaker 1: And so that makes me feel like we are very 670 00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:01,560 Speaker 1: close to enlightening is because none of us have lost 671 00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,399 Speaker 1: track of beauty. And it doesn't matter how downtrodden your 672 00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:08,880 Speaker 1: economy is, how downtrodden your family history is, or you 673 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:10,759 Speaker 1: might feel right at the moment, you still can look 674 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,279 Speaker 1: at a sunset and see it. And so we're that 675 00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,319 Speaker 1: close to generating unconditional love out of our heart. It's 676 00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:19,640 Speaker 1: just simple as witnessing beauty in the simplest ways. And 677 00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,040 Speaker 1: so if we can generate unconditional love, then we can 678 00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:26,000 Speaker 1: probably transmute all of our collective trauma into one moment, 679 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:30,000 Speaker 1: that frequency transmission of a human species realizing its potential. 680 00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:36,040 Speaker 4: Wow, what a deeply profound way to close our time together. 681 00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:39,759 Speaker 4: As you talk about beauty as love, as you talk 682 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:43,640 Speaker 4: about the micochondria that we have within us, as you 683 00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:46,080 Speaker 4: talk about what is on the other side, the great 684 00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:49,480 Speaker 4: question that you have seen with thousands of people, and 685 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:52,480 Speaker 4: so so deeply grateful. As we talk about how to live, 686 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,160 Speaker 4: how to stay connected to what matters, the people we love, 687 00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:58,960 Speaker 4: the earth beneath us, the food, what feeds us. Your 688 00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,479 Speaker 4: words remind us that legacy hasn't lived it loud. Often 689 00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:04,879 Speaker 4: it's quiet hands holding someone in the passing moments. It's 690 00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:08,319 Speaker 4: a father and a daughter, and it's the simple act 691 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:12,479 Speaker 4: of love. And so thank you both so much for 692 00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:14,480 Speaker 4: sharing and living your legacy. 693 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:19,040 Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you all honored to be with you, Martin. 694 00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:23,160 Speaker 1: The way that you smile at people without even knowing 695 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:27,040 Speaker 1: you're smiling. Often I think, but Martin, your smile is 696 00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:30,839 Speaker 1: the most disarming thing. You're not like your father, which 697 00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:34,560 Speaker 1: is such a wonderful thing. When I watch Selma with 698 00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:38,040 Speaker 1: you guys the other day, it captures the most you know, 699 00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:40,960 Speaker 1: one side of the man that may be a very 700 00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,040 Speaker 1: one sided version of who he was. But the side 701 00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,120 Speaker 1: we got to see, at least in the way the 702 00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:48,560 Speaker 1: history tells us, is a man who spoke righteous anger 703 00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:50,600 Speaker 1: into the world and said, this is the truth, and 704 00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:52,839 Speaker 1: we cannot look away from this until we fix this. 705 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:57,480 Speaker 1: You don't have that voice every time you get up 706 00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:59,239 Speaker 1: and you can speak from your own trauma and your 707 00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,160 Speaker 1: own history. It's with a gentle voice, with a big 708 00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:05,560 Speaker 1: heart and a little smile. So just keep doing what 709 00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:07,799 Speaker 1: you're doing because it's different than what your father did, 710 00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,360 Speaker 1: and maybe it's exactly the medicine we need for this time. 711 00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:15,520 Speaker 5: That was one of the most magnificent and majestic compliments 712 00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:19,239 Speaker 5: I think I've ever heard anyone give him. And if 713 00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:22,480 Speaker 5: we go farther from what you said earlier that some 714 00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:26,359 Speaker 5: things we don't know, but we trust that it is 715 00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:30,680 Speaker 5: everything is working together for the good. Then what I 716 00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,319 Speaker 5: believe is what you just said too, is that the 717 00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:38,040 Speaker 5: medicine that this Martin Luther King is offering for this 718 00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:41,680 Speaker 5: age is exactly what we need right now. 719 00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:48,120 Speaker 2: Thank you for joining us. If you enjoyed today's conversation, subscribe, share, 720 00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:52,000 Speaker 2: and follow us on at my Legacy movement on social media. 721 00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:56,640 Speaker 2: And YouTube. New episodes drop every Tuesday, with bonus content 722 00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:00,880 Speaker 2: every Thursday. 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