Speaker 1: Hey, how's it going, y'all? It's another episode of Nerdificent.
Speaker 1: I'm your host if you way way, and sitting across
Speaker 1: from me as always is Danny Fernandez. Yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: And this week, you know, we're getting a getting a
Speaker 1: little dark. Some would say we're getting even a little black,
Speaker 1: a little orphan black. Yeah, yeah, you like that? You
Speaker 1: like that. I was going to say, you're always black? Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: sometimes I do you like one of those gaming skins
Speaker 1: and switch it up. You never know. But yes, we're
Speaker 1: talking orphan black. And we are joined this week for
Speaker 1: All the Way from New York by the community manager
Speaker 1: of Cereal Box, Rachel Panellis. How you doing. I'm great,
Speaker 1: I'm happy to be here, happy to have you here.
Speaker 1: How we're talking before we start recording that it's about
Speaker 1: to get a little snowy in New York. Yes, we
Speaker 1: skipped this season. Fall is not happening. We are going.
Speaker 1: We're straight into winter now. Oh man, that that should
Speaker 1: be fun. You know, it'll still be uh probably seventy
Speaker 1: year eighty around this part, but you know I will
Speaker 1: so my heart is with you. But yeah, so it
Speaker 1: was super excited to uh, you know, basically chat about
Speaker 1: Orphan Black, mostly because there's a new chapter on Cereal Box, right, yes,
Speaker 1: there is. It's really exciting. UM takes place eight years
Speaker 1: after the events of the series finale, which was two
Speaker 1: years ago now, and so we see where our favorite
Speaker 1: members of the Clone Club are now and what life
Speaker 1: is like for them after their adventures in the series,
Speaker 1: and what it's been like for the next generation of Clones.
Speaker 1: And that includes UM Sarah Manning's daughter Kira, as well
Speaker 1: as Charlotte, who was I guess it's a bit of
Speaker 1: a spoiler, but she was a younger clone from Project
Speaker 1: Leta who was cloned from Rachel Duncan. H. So, yeah, well,
Speaker 1: well that's super exciting. And uh, for people who don't
Speaker 1: know what is Cereal Box, that is a wonderful question
Speaker 1: and I am very happy to answer it for you. So,
Speaker 1: um yeah, So Cereal Box we are a premium entertainment platform.
Speaker 1: We do audio and h E books UM, and we
Speaker 1: deliver ongoing stories for uh, you know, audiences in easily
Speaker 1: easily degustable installments. UM. And the name itself is is
Speaker 1: a pun, you know. So we do serialized fiction originals
Speaker 1: as well as franchises like or from Black m yes,
Speaker 1: uh yeah notes and we're available um uh in the
Speaker 1: app store for iOS devices and uh Android as well
Speaker 1: as our website. Oh that is super dope, So yeah,
Speaker 1: check that out. Yeah, I heard about it because I
Speaker 1: worked with Margaret Dunlap on a interactive show that it
Speaker 1: should be coming out soon this month, so I can
Speaker 1: kind of, you know a little bit talk about. Yeah,
Speaker 1: was heard school dropout. But she worked on a Cereal
Speaker 1: Box show with Max. Uh why why am I Gladstone? Yes,
Speaker 1: Max Gladstone? Why did I forget his name all of
Speaker 1: a sudden? But yeah, so I was working with them
Speaker 1: and they were telling me about Cereal Box, and I
Speaker 1: just I just love the concept. So yeah, that's definitely
Speaker 1: worth checking out if you don't already. Sub Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: you know, really exciting. We take what's, you know, the
Speaker 1: best of traditional publishing and we innovate because what we
Speaker 1: have is the model of a television writer's room and
Speaker 1: so that way we have the episode of content delivered
Speaker 1: to you regularly on that weekly basis, and so you
Speaker 1: can follow along. And then there's also the option to
Speaker 1: you knowing yeah, I know, binge or one by one theo.
Speaker 1: You know, it's that's the number one decision people have
Speaker 1: to do now, which is very challenging with or from
Speaker 1: black because, as you know, it's known for its cliffhangers.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, what are we geeking out about? This week?
Speaker 1: We will start with Rachel, what are you geeking out about?
Speaker 1: This week? So? I know the last episode of your
Speaker 1: podcast was completely devoted to Watchman, But it can't be
Speaker 1: said enough how excited excited I am about the new
Speaker 1: HBO series and just HBO Sundays in general. Really loving
Speaker 1: Watchman as well as the return and final season of
Speaker 1: Silicon Valley. Yeah. Oh it's been great. Yeah, ever since
Speaker 1: that episode, I started, uh like right after that episode,
Speaker 1: enemy of the Pod, Cody Ziggler, I contacted him for
Speaker 1: his HBO Go passwords and now and now I'm locked in.
Speaker 1: We did a trade because I got I've paid for showtime,
Speaker 1: so it's like I'll give you showtime if you give
Speaker 1: me HBO, so you know new age trades. Yeah. So,
Speaker 1: and I've been so locked in and then I started
Speaker 1: checking out this Mrs Fletcher's show, and then I need
Speaker 1: a coast check out. Uh succession, succession. Oh yeah, everyone's
Speaker 1: saying it's great. I so, but I'm up to date
Speaker 1: on Watchman, and I always forgot how fun it is
Speaker 1: to be up to date on TV where you can
Speaker 1: just have the like speculation and conversation, but also the
Speaker 1: drama of like, I don't want this spoiled because you
Speaker 1: saw Hector tweeted something about Watchman, And that's how how
Speaker 1: much I know I like Hector is that I saw
Speaker 1: him mentioning in it, and I was like, I'm a
Speaker 1: finish reading this tweet because I know Hector wouldn't just
Speaker 1: flat out post a spoiler. And it was a good
Speaker 1: point there you go, Yeah, what about you, Danny. I'm
Speaker 1: geeking out about the new Terminator film, which not enough
Speaker 1: people saw, which stinks because it's really great, Like a
Speaker 1: lot of people actually that did see it loved it.
Speaker 1: And I saw someone tweet and it was like, this
Speaker 1: Terminator um sequel is something that everyone's gonna love when
Speaker 1: they eventually see it and realize that they should have
Speaker 1: saw it in theater so that it would have gotten
Speaker 1: the love that it deserved. But I really really cannot
Speaker 1: say enough good things about Gabriel Luna. I love him
Speaker 1: so much. Um, I love having a Mexican Terminator. It
Speaker 1: means so much to me and so many other people. Um.
Speaker 1: And we also had Natalia Reyes, who played Danny, also
Speaker 1: seeing a pop up of a lot of Danny's popping
Speaker 1: up scripts. Um. I don't know. It might be people
Speaker 1: that follow me and they're like, this feels like a Danny. Um.
Speaker 1: I do know one. I do know one show that's
Speaker 1: coming out where the act was named after me. The
Speaker 1: others I'm just projecting. But we also had Lynda Linda
Speaker 1: Hamilton's you know, I have a big thing right now
Speaker 1: that I'm pushing for. I feel like we had the
Speaker 1: Year of the Daddy and everyone was like Jeff Goldbloom
Speaker 1: and Steve Carrell and they're so hot, and like, I
Speaker 1: feel like women of the same age don't get the
Speaker 1: same love, and so I think it's great to see
Speaker 1: her just you know, with her ripped guns and just
Speaker 1: like silver haired, and you know, I hope we also
Speaker 1: got to see that with Jamie Lee Curtis and this
Speaker 1: year with Halloween. I guess that was last year last year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so that to me means a lot, like I
Speaker 1: just Um. I also saw Keanu Reeves new Bow, who
Speaker 1: is age appropriate, which everyone was so excited about, which
Speaker 1: is also sad that anytime someone a man that's in
Speaker 1: his fifties date someone that's actually age appropriate for him,
Speaker 1: we get all excited. But anyways, I just feel like women,
Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of ages m in the industry,
Speaker 1: and they definitely don't get the same love. So I
Speaker 1: loved the fact I love seeing her in this role,
Speaker 1: and I hope that we get more more iconic, you know,
Speaker 1: women that instead of being pushed out, are are you know,
Speaker 1: elevated and starring in these huge franchises. Definitely, I'm going
Speaker 1: to go check it out tomorrow. But you know, everyone
Speaker 1: knows I'm a fan of zombies all the time, so uh,
Speaker 1: you know, that's you know, glad people are starting to
Speaker 1: get on the train. Danny's really champion, and really that's
Speaker 1: who I did it for, was for her. But what
Speaker 1: I'm thinking out about this week is last week, um,
Speaker 1: last weekend at this point, I was at a Complex
Speaker 1: Con and it was so much fun. Complex Con, if
Speaker 1: you don't know, it's by the kind of media brand
Speaker 1: Complex that does First Week Feast and just a lot
Speaker 1: of like hip hop streetwear and all that good stuff.
Speaker 1: So they had like a lot of custom drops and
Speaker 1: Sneaker Room dropped three colorways of the Kyrie Five's dedicated
Speaker 1: to one of the owner's mom, and I'm able to
Speaker 1: remember the exact amount of shoes that were dropped in
Speaker 1: each colorway because they had significance. So I got the
Speaker 1: white colorway, which only five hundred and twenty five pairs
Speaker 1: were made, which was to commemorate the day she died,
Speaker 1: which was May. And then the black pair, only one
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty six were made to commemorate that she
Speaker 1: had one son and he was twenty six when she died,
Speaker 1: and sixty three pairs of the black one were made
Speaker 1: for her age at which she died, which was sixty three.
Speaker 1: And um, but it was a wild drop. The black
Speaker 1: sixty three pair of shoes were one thousand dollars retail,
Speaker 1: uh so, and that caused a whole I mean, I
Speaker 1: can't you know, this maybe be worth a whole episode,
Speaker 1: but I can't really go into the full on um
Speaker 1: kind of economy of it all. But the that kind
Speaker 1: of I think screwed up the resale across the board,
Speaker 1: because if you have one thousand dollar shoe, you're gonna
Speaker 1: want it to go for two k or more. Uh
Speaker 1: and you know, the more expensive, the more kind of
Speaker 1: exclusive color way is going to affect the price point
Speaker 1: of everyone's resale. And what happened was a lot of
Speaker 1: folks went and spent a thousand dollars on the shoe,
Speaker 1: but didn't have a thousand dollars. So before the weekend ended,
Speaker 1: when they weren't able to sell it right away, they
Speaker 1: started taking a lower hit, which means that the other
Speaker 1: ones were taking lower hits. What I'm trying to say
Speaker 1: is I bought the shoes to flip them in. I
Speaker 1: can't uh and I'm very mad about it. But I
Speaker 1: also got a pair of ice creams which were if
Speaker 1: you don't know, We're Rebok released by Farrell when he
Speaker 1: was trying to have a skate company that had like
Speaker 1: a very significant design. Uh I spent a lot of money. Basically,
Speaker 1: I saw Takashi Palm, I saw Offset trouncing around. Uh
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask him where's CARDI B I don't
Speaker 1: want to see you, I want to see your wife.
Speaker 1: But it was a super fun But it was a
Speaker 1: great celebration of like Street where the culture surrounding it,
Speaker 1: and I had a great time, and I can't wait
Speaker 1: to check out the next one. But that's what I'm
Speaker 1: geeking out about. I'm geeked out and that's and I
Speaker 1: kind of had a realization this weekend about that, just
Speaker 1: like going to that con and really realizing just how
Speaker 1: like nerdy I am about like streetwear. And then I
Speaker 1: was like in the gym today lifting with one of
Speaker 1: my boys, and like I was like, oh, nerd Nerdiness
Speaker 1: is more of an attitude than like than like a
Speaker 1: specific brand, because I truly am, Like I was like, Damn,
Speaker 1: I'm such a dork about like lifting, Like I'm always
Speaker 1: like I'm down to like the body science, and I'm
Speaker 1: really I try not to do it as much, but
Speaker 1: I will. I'm actually usually it's other uh meat heads,
Speaker 1: so that's fine. I'll I'm actually a meat head every day.
Speaker 1: But i'd ever want to assume that's someone who doesn't
Speaker 1: know what they're talking about. Lots of times they don't.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so that's real fun. We we can go,
Speaker 1: you can geek out. I mean, it's a science, and
Speaker 1: like there's so many things that we're gonna like tackle
Speaker 1: in our podcast too. And I feel like, you know,
Speaker 1: sometimes people ding, we see the comment sometimes people ding
Speaker 1: sometimes people ding us because they're like, I don't like
Speaker 1: this subject. Um, you know, they want us to go
Speaker 1: back to Marvel in d C. Okay, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of other things, Like the podcast isn't for one person
Speaker 1: or one fan or just comic book fans. There are
Speaker 1: podcasts that do that. You can go listen to those,
Speaker 1: like we decided a long time ago that we wanted
Speaker 1: to explore everything in this realm and things that we
Speaker 1: don't know. We know marvel in d C really well,
Speaker 1: I want to talk to like um, lou Say comes
Speaker 1: on and just geeks out about horror in a way
Speaker 1: that I don't you know, I'm a horror fan, but
Speaker 1: she is like in depth in the community. Like that
Speaker 1: to me is so fascinating. You know, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of different things that we want to touch on. So
Speaker 1: if the subject isn't for you, you can learn about
Speaker 1: it in the same way that we are um or
Speaker 1: just skip it. We're dropping these year round, so you
Speaker 1: can pick and choose which wants to hop on and
Speaker 1: you don't even have to let us know when you
Speaker 1: do it. You don't have to write this the subject.
Speaker 1: You know, you can go back and listen to the
Speaker 1: flash again. But um, we love comic books, you know,
Speaker 1: we loved superhero films, but there's so much more to
Speaker 1: nerdiness than just those. So yeah, I love that concept
Speaker 1: of your realization because nerdiness is just really knowing what
Speaker 1: you like and cultivating that interest and celebrating and sharing
Speaker 1: it with people. Oh yeah, definitely. I mean we've had
Speaker 1: you know, real deal scientists saying that we need to
Speaker 1: do science on here. Uh friend and uh friend borderline,
Speaker 1: she's soon to be an enemy of the pot Palavi Gunlin.
Speaker 1: Uh She's she's like a PhD uh, you know, hopeful
Speaker 1: scientists and wants to come on and talk science. And
Speaker 1: I said, we don't do that, we don't do science.
Speaker 1: Well she did a poll and people voted, that's a
Speaker 1: real science, and I was like, yeah, but now now
Speaker 1: I'm doing now, but I'm in my Petti mode. Now
Speaker 1: is the National Band science in it? Rachel? Did you
Speaker 1: want to kind of um, for people that have never
Speaker 1: seen this franchise? Would you like to explain it to them?
Speaker 1: How do you explain a show that explores identity in
Speaker 1: all of its assets and the human experience? Ah? Well,
Speaker 1: so if you know, if I can geek out for
Speaker 1: a secondly that the first episode of the series, which
Speaker 1: is pretty um easily available, the BBC America say has
Speaker 1: it available, and then it's also the series is streaming
Speaker 1: on Prime right now. But the first episode is really
Speaker 1: what It starts with a bang. You meet this woman
Speaker 1: Sarah Manning uh, and she is on a train platform
Speaker 1: and sees what appears to be her doubel ganger, her
Speaker 1: her double uh and it's confusing, it's drying. And then
Speaker 1: even more so, the woman UM jumps in front of
Speaker 1: a train to her death. And then Sarah, who's on
Speaker 1: the run because she's uh, she con frons in trouble
Speaker 1: sometimes with a law. UM assumes this woman's identity, who
Speaker 1: happens to be a detective cop child and in doing
Speaker 1: so unraveled the mystery of of who she is uh
Speaker 1: and we find out that she is a clone. And
Speaker 1: by the end of the episode we meet her sister
Speaker 1: Sestra's um. Who are do other woman Alison Hendrix and
Speaker 1: Dr Kissima Newhouse? Who are they look like her? They? Uh,
Speaker 1: it's not a little different, but you know you and
Speaker 1: the whole series and it seeks to answer the question,
Speaker 1: you know, who are they? And it's fascinating and it's
Speaker 1: it's just really great sci fi and thriller and it
Speaker 1: really um focuses on these women and their experiences and
Speaker 1: their journeys. Yeah, and we should tell people who haven't
Speaker 1: seen it that it is all of these women are
Speaker 1: played by Tatiana Yeah, money, you forget because it's so
Speaker 1: extraordinary and even in because they're they're so individual, Um,
Speaker 1: these characters who they are that it's the show is
Speaker 1: extraordinary and her performance is extraordinary because it's at a
Speaker 1: certain point you don't even remember anymore that it's one
Speaker 1: person and not ten. Yeah. I even felt that I
Speaker 1: watched UM in a much smaller level. I watched UM
Speaker 1: Living with Yourself with Paul Rudd, and it was just
Speaker 1: so I'm really glad that he took that role because
Speaker 1: I think a lot of times like him just being
Speaker 1: an aunt man and these huge things. I think, like
Speaker 1: I'm like, why did he take this Netflix show? And
Speaker 1: he's like, you know, starring in Marvel films. But I
Speaker 1: think it's also I mean, aside from getting paid a bunch,
Speaker 1: but like I think it's also to show Oh wait no,
Speaker 1: I'm actually also like a serious actor and I can
Speaker 1: play someone dealing with suicidal depression and in the same
Speaker 1: flip side, literally in the same room, I'm talking to
Speaker 1: myself as this, you know, this best version of me.
Speaker 1: And it's just so I mean, I give props to
Speaker 1: anyone that does this that can play like multiple characters.
Speaker 1: She's literally playing like different different characters. Uh, but I
Speaker 1: guess looking back, so I'm just looking over how the
Speaker 1: show came to be, and it looks like originally, Um,
Speaker 1: Canadian actress Ellen Page. Always forget that she's from Canada,
Speaker 1: that she was originally considered for the role. Uh, that
Speaker 1: would have been fascinating. I feel like she could also
Speaker 1: possibly pull it off. So so the role went to Tatiana,
Speaker 1: and um, she was a fan favorite. I think this
Speaker 1: really launched She's been in a lot of things, but
Speaker 1: I think this was what like launched her. Oh definitely,
Speaker 1: Like this was a vehicle for her. And if you think,
Speaker 1: but like you know, it's it's like when you see
Speaker 1: someone and see like have a show like I think
Speaker 1: this kind of show as an actor's dream, where like
Speaker 1: you can show how versatile you could be and also
Speaker 1: in one show show all the different types of characters
Speaker 1: you can play like this show it it prevents her
Speaker 1: from being type cast because you're because you're like, look
Speaker 1: at all these different, you know, people and versions. I
Speaker 1: remember I was watching uh like it in like my
Speaker 1: roommate at the time was deep in the show. So
Speaker 1: it was a later season and I was watching a
Speaker 1: scene and I was like, Oh, who's that actress and
Speaker 1: they're like, that's the same actress. Like it really it
Speaker 1: really does, like it's not just a saying, like it
Speaker 1: really does feel like it's different people. All right, we're
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Speaker 1: get back to the show, all right, So we're getting
Speaker 1: into the beginnings and what haves you with? Uh uh
Speaker 1: Orphan Black, which you know, if if we didn't say
Speaker 1: this yet, it was so it was my Bell Media,
Speaker 1: which is a Canadian company, I know for my friends,
Speaker 1: but it was distributed internationally by BBC Worldwide. Uh So
Speaker 1: in June twelve of two thousand twelve, they commissioned. Bell
Speaker 1: Media commissioned a ten episode season of Orphan Black that
Speaker 1: would be produced by Temple Street Productions. Then they distributed
Speaker 1: internationally with BBC Worldwide. The show was executive produced by
Speaker 1: writer Graham Manson and director John Fawsett, and the Temple
Speaker 1: Street co presidents Ivan Schneeberg and David fort Fortier. Co
Speaker 1: executive producers are Karen Walton and Carry apple Yard, while
Speaker 1: the Temple Street producers are Claire Wellen and Karen Tibetski. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and like Rachel was saying, in March, the BBC uh
Speaker 1: signed a deal where Amazon would have the exclusive streaming
Speaker 1: rights to the series. So you you have Prime, you
Speaker 1: can binge it. Yeah, yeah, you know, as a matter
Speaker 1: of fact, you can. Anybody who's telling you they're about
Speaker 1: to go watch and say, listen to this episode first. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So Rachel, what are some of the um, what should
Speaker 1: people know about the series? I know you kind of
Speaker 1: broke down the first parts of it. Uh, but what
Speaker 1: are some like common themes that happen in Orphan Black.
Speaker 1: So a lot of the common themes that are emerging
Speaker 1: in the next chapter are very much like the themes
Speaker 1: that were a part of the original television series. Uh.
Speaker 1: Themes of identity, themes of nature versus nurture, themes of
Speaker 1: scientific ethics. Um. Yeah. And what's really fascinating about the
Speaker 1: Orford Black the television series at the time was that
Speaker 1: the you know, the technology was I think what made
Speaker 1: the idea of the Clones so scary. Wasn't just that,
Speaker 1: you know, confronting the idea how can you not be yourself?
Speaker 1: But you know, are we that far off from so technology? Um? Yes?
Speaker 1: But also there you know it, Um, they really did
Speaker 1: their research on the show was super super grounded in
Speaker 1: some really interesting science, and that has been accelerated in
Speaker 1: the next chapter. That um there, you know, not to
Speaker 1: give away too much, but you know, the fear one
Speaker 1: of the fears that the Clone clubs, the core group
Speaker 1: of the four women of Sarah, Alison, Cassima, and Helena.
Speaker 1: But they were really fighting. One of the things that
Speaker 1: they were fighting against was UM. The their bodies and
Speaker 1: their their genomes being used UM as kind of like
Speaker 1: like Petrie dishes, not te dishes. But you know UM
Speaker 1: that you know, their biology was gonna be UM used
Speaker 1: for purposes that you know they didn't consent to to,
Speaker 1: you know, for scientific experimentation UM. And so yeah, not
Speaker 1: to give away too much of what happens in the
Speaker 1: next chapter, but there's UH that is built upon UM
Speaker 1: that you know, what else could you do with such technology?
Speaker 1: Could it be weaponized? What would that look like? How
Speaker 1: UM is our privacy violated? UM with such information? UM?
Speaker 1: And those were things that were explored UH in the
Speaker 1: television series, and that is very baked into the plot
Speaker 1: and the struggles of the characters in the next chapter. Now, yeah,
Speaker 1: so just touching real quick back on the television series.
Speaker 1: I know that we kind of praised Tatiana for UM
Speaker 1: playing all these different parts. Just a little bit behind
Speaker 1: the scenes, the production films the scene multiple times with
Speaker 1: a dolly mounted motion control camera that replicates the movement
Speaker 1: between each shot. So this is really fascinating, especially for
Speaker 1: film people. Because this apparatus, it's known as a techno.
Speaker 1: Dolly is referred to as the time vampire on the
Speaker 1: Orphan Black set due to the amount of time multiple
Speaker 1: clone seeds take from the production schedule. And that makes
Speaker 1: so much sense. Like when we're watching this, it's like,
Speaker 1: how many times does she have to do this scene
Speaker 1: playing both of the plane all of these roles. Um,
Speaker 1: that to me is just so a little bit behind
Speaker 1: the scenes. Uh. And then they use tennis balls, which
Speaker 1: is actually really common um for alternate shots and eyelines
Speaker 1: and and things like that. I always find that so
Speaker 1: fascinating when someone's delivering y'all don't even know, Like someone
Speaker 1: will be delivering a heartfelt, tearful thing and they're just
Speaker 1: looking at a tennis ball against the green screen, against
Speaker 1: the screen. There was also uh an acting double of course. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she had body doubles. Yeah, so many wigs. It looks
Speaker 1: like there was a dance party scene in season two
Speaker 1: and that had four different clones. It was two days
Speaker 1: of shooting, several editions. Several additional body doubles were used
Speaker 1: to create the effect. Um. So yeah, they do have
Speaker 1: a lot of body doubles and like the back of
Speaker 1: their head or something will be someone else. But it's
Speaker 1: it's seamless, you know, of course watch you hear it,
Speaker 1: and uh, it's it's they're they're different characters, they're different people. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so the double who was in it was Katherine
Speaker 1: Alexandra and they said that the performances were central to
Speaker 1: her ability to create the characters. Um um muss Lani said,
Speaker 1: uh that she was so amazing and that she memorizes
Speaker 1: all the lines, all of her blocking and all of
Speaker 1: her blocking, her mannerisms, her impulses, and she somehow memorizes
Speaker 1: all of that and gives it back to her. Uh. Well,
Speaker 1: the quote is, she's so amazing. She memorizes all the lines,
Speaker 1: all of my blocking, all of her blocking, my mannerisms,
Speaker 1: my impulses, She somehow memorizes all of that and gives
Speaker 1: it back to me. With the performance I can play
Speaker 1: off of which we were saying, and yeah, that that
Speaker 1: probably helps, you know, having someone who's like doing the
Speaker 1: same thing to kind of match it, because I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, Danny and I can attest to uh doing
Speaker 1: auditions where you're just acting like this. This is kind
Speaker 1: of one of the reasons I hate self tapes with
Speaker 1: a burning passion because you're in a room by yourself
Speaker 1: with a friend who doesn't want to be there, who
Speaker 1: is either giving you not enough or giving you too much.
Speaker 1: It's never I had one person was like, are you
Speaker 1: trying to book this? I do them with Mark who's
Speaker 1: been on here Mark Ellis. He has a booming radio
Speaker 1: voice and he like steps away from the camera. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: stop trying to like book this role. Um. But Alexander
Speaker 1: actually said um that that she got the spot because
Speaker 1: when she auditioned, they wanted an actor as opposed to
Speaker 1: just a double. Yeah. That's actually really cool. Yeah that's
Speaker 1: that's that's great. And Muslani said that she created different
Speaker 1: musical playlists to help her distinguish between the men clone
Speaker 1: personality she portrays. That is so cool because it does
Speaker 1: make sense, like how do you so effortlessly get into
Speaker 1: this character? Well, you, I mean the character thinks differently,
Speaker 1: They're going to move differently, they're going to speak differently,
Speaker 1: like everyone has different speech rhythms. So she you know,
Speaker 1: listens to different music to try to get her in
Speaker 1: the zone. Yea, and some of what she's shared in
Speaker 1: interviews about her process coming back to these characters and uh,
Speaker 1: inhabiting them vocally again, that's that's been a part of
Speaker 1: it as well. I'd really like to see them. I know.
Speaker 1: There's there's just so much dope stuff that went into
Speaker 1: making this show that it's it's a no brain or
Speaker 1: why it just kind of what's so great? I feel
Speaker 1: like even though it's such a pain and like everything
Speaker 1: it sounds like seems like a logistical nightmare, but in
Speaker 1: the end, I think it produced something so unique and
Speaker 1: fun and why it kind of took off the way
Speaker 1: it did. But I think for you know, the listeners
Speaker 1: who are binging or are people who you know love
Speaker 1: just to check out the episodes, what are you know,
Speaker 1: what are some episodes that you would recommend checking out for?
Speaker 1: So obviously the first season, you know, that first episode,
Speaker 1: I think just um, outside of my speaking over the
Speaker 1: entire series, just from um like television creation standpoint, I
Speaker 1: think it's maybe one of the best pilots first episodes
Speaker 1: of a series ever, at least in like the last decade. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, it's up there. For me, my list includes
Speaker 1: Madman and Yeah, so like that that first episode is
Speaker 1: just it's it's a gut punch. Um. There was a
Speaker 1: lot of really um amazing things that happened. UM at
Speaker 1: the end of season two with Helena. Season two episodes
Speaker 1: it's called to Hound Nature in her Wanderings. Some people
Speaker 1: may remember that is the episode where Helena meets Jesse,
Speaker 1: who people may recognize from suits he was her boyfriend. UM.
Speaker 1: And then later episodes. I really also love an episode
Speaker 1: that happens in the following season, uh where Helena and
Speaker 1: Sarah are on some kind of like deranged road trip
Speaker 1: in Mexico escaping a secret government base where we find
Speaker 1: there are more clone experiments taking place, and so it's
Speaker 1: an interesting bonding experience for those sisters. And then UM
Speaker 1: the episode with Felix's art show. That's a classic. Yes.
Speaker 1: And speaking of the pilot, for everyone, anyone that just
Speaker 1: wants to read it, or if you are um a
Speaker 1: writer that wants to read more pilots, you can get
Speaker 1: access to the Orphan Black Piet. I just looked it up.
Speaker 1: It's on TV calling, it's TV dash Calling dot com,
Speaker 1: or you can just google Orphan Black Pilot, UH and
Speaker 1: look it up if you want to read it. It's
Speaker 1: always my favorite thing to do as a writer. If
Speaker 1: something is really great, look it up and read it
Speaker 1: and see how how they wrote it, how it was shot,
Speaker 1: how you know they transition these characters, their character descriptions,
Speaker 1: all of that is all in there, so you can
Speaker 1: check it out. It's so dope. Uh So we are
Speaker 1: going to take another quick break and then we're going
Speaker 1: to hop into the future of Orphan Black and why
Speaker 1: it's resonated with so many people and kept going on,
Speaker 1: you know now that we have a new series with it,
Speaker 1: and we'll check in after the break and we are back. So, Rachel,
Speaker 1: why do you think that this has resonated with so
Speaker 1: many people enough to get this, you know, this next series,
Speaker 1: and also that we're still talking en about it today.
Speaker 1: I think because the show itself was just so unique,
Speaker 1: um and exciting and unlikes that was at the time
Speaker 1: before or has been. And then of course the um
Speaker 1: just enduring amazing technical and emotional and inspiring performance that
Speaker 1: Tatiana gave to all these such different, interesting, multi faceted characters. UM.
Speaker 1: And you know, like we discussed before, the themes of
Speaker 1: identity and nature versus nurture UM that is so much
Speaker 1: a part of great storytelling. The show has had it
Speaker 1: all and so this next chapter is set eight years
Speaker 1: in the future from where season five left off. It
Speaker 1: will have the same characters. They're all voiced by Muslani. Yes, uh,
Speaker 1: and not just Tatiana doesn't just revisit her clone characters.
Speaker 1: She's uh narrating the series as well as giving voice
Speaker 1: to other characters that weren't played by Tatiana Maslani that
Speaker 1: we know from the original series, including Um Delphine and
Speaker 1: Art Bell and the younger clones too, oh, as well
Speaker 1: as UM Sarah Manning's brother feelings. It's really interesting to
Speaker 1: hear um how that gets inhabited. But also, you know,
Speaker 1: much like watching the show, you listen to the series
Speaker 1: and it's it's pretty incredible that you can't believe that
Speaker 1: it's the same, right, that's so cool. I can't wait
Speaker 1: to I can't wait to listen to it. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: really cool. It's been really exciting to um share it
Speaker 1: with people because the first responses, oh my gosh from Luck,
Speaker 1: I love that show. It's so cool. Uh that I
Speaker 1: thought that it's back. That's great. And then when they
Speaker 1: find out that the narrator is Tatiana herself. That's just
Speaker 1: it's even more Yeah, that's yeah. I mean there's some
Speaker 1: spoilers where we find out eight years later the um
Speaker 1: fate of certain popular pairings of characters, seeing where who
Speaker 1: they've ended up with, who they're still with, who they're
Speaker 1: not with. Um, so the romantic pairings have been um
Speaker 1: interesting to uh see what's happening there and then as
Speaker 1: well as you know, um this woman, it's you know,
Speaker 1: eight years later, they're eight years uh into their lives
Speaker 1: and trying to um live quiet private ones. But uh
Speaker 1: that is not for long, Sue. I like that cliffhanger
Speaker 1: of a little tease bit. Yeah, so can you tell
Speaker 1: the easiest way for our audience to be able to
Speaker 1: listen to this? So the easiest way for audiences to
Speaker 1: listen to it is at cereal box dot com or
Speaker 1: um the Cereal Box app, which is available in the
Speaker 1: App Store or on Google Play. The first episode of
Speaker 1: or from Box the next chapter is free, as well
Speaker 1: as all of Cereal Boxes series eight. The first episode
Speaker 1: is free to try um and you can listen to
Speaker 1: it and here Tatiana given incredible performance as well as
Speaker 1: read the text, which is written in incredible prose by
Speaker 1: Um some really awesome award winning sci fi authors, including
Speaker 1: malcol Older, Madeline Ashby, Michelle Baker, Higley Kennedy, and e Myers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's so cool that there was like a whole writing
Speaker 1: team for this series. Yeah, us and hello, as well
Speaker 1: as Lindley Smith and Helly Kennedy. Actually Um wrote the
Speaker 1: Orphan Black comic books. That's so dope. I didn't even
Speaker 1: know there was a comic book. There was. There was, Yes,
Speaker 1: I don't remember exactly how many issues it was, but
Speaker 1: it ran I think like the year that the final
Speaker 1: season was going and a little while after that, and uh, yeah,
Speaker 1: Hiley Kennedy, who's part of the writing team for the
Speaker 1: next chapter, UM wrote some of those if he also
Speaker 1: our friend Jodi Houser. Yes, she was a co writer. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's doing so much it's like kind of trying to
Speaker 1: keep up with her. And I didn't even know that
Speaker 1: she wrote a d from Black, but it looks like
Speaker 1: it was out by I d W we had in
Speaker 1: our episode. That's so cool, Um, And it's something that
Speaker 1: I would actually, as a fan of the show, would
Speaker 1: like to revisit because Um, I haven't read the comics,
Speaker 1: but I know that there was a significant storyline that
Speaker 1: the comics explored that was in the original series of um,
Speaker 1: the character of m K and the incident in Helsinki
Speaker 1: she comes from. Yeah. No, these these look cool and
Speaker 1: the covers are super dope too. You remember you're saying
Speaker 1: you had the blog post of the nine essential episodes
Speaker 1: to see but before the series. Yeah, yeah, so it's interesting.
Speaker 1: I can, of course thank you guys. But when you
Speaker 1: shared with me what you thought were some of your favorites,
Speaker 1: I saw that we had a bit of we had
Speaker 1: some crossover, so that was nice to see, you know,
Speaker 1: of course, including the Felix Art Show episode, which is
Speaker 1: just a really I think if you've never seen the
Speaker 1: show all the way through and you watch one episode
Speaker 1: that is really emblematic of all the characters. Um. I mean,
Speaker 1: of course it is two episodes before it's finale, but
Speaker 1: it's each character gets a really incredible moment, and so
Speaker 1: I think very fondly back on it. You know, I
Speaker 1: gotta thank you for coming on and chatting with us. Uh.
Speaker 1: You know, besides the Serial Box Show, is there anything
Speaker 1: you want to plug or where people can find you? Oh?
Speaker 1: I mean, I just want to plug the next Chapter
Speaker 1: and and Sera Box. You know, we also have a
Speaker 1: Thor series starting UM in December. Um. Uh, stay tuned
Speaker 1: because there's gonna be some really exciting news. We are
Speaker 1: going to be sharing the narrative of the series. Wondering ask, well,
Speaker 1: I saw y'all have a deal with Marvel, so we
Speaker 1: can expect more Marvel series on your slate? Yes, okay, absolutely, yes,
Speaker 1: So Thor will be the first, and that UM launches
Speaker 1: twelve twelve, the Separate twelve and then we have a
Speaker 1: Black Widow, Black Panther, and Jessica Jones series in the works. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so you can expect those uh after the new year. Yeah, definitely. Rachel,
Speaker 1: thank you for coming on and talking about or Black.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you guys for having me. I'm excited
Speaker 1: to share more Lenks and uh nerd out. Yeah. Is
Speaker 1: there anything you need to plug? Yeah? Everyone? So, uh,
Speaker 1: this Thursday the four, This Thursday November is when my
Speaker 1: Fathom event for the Twilight So also, if you just
Speaker 1: love the Twilight Zone, or if you've listened to me
Speaker 1: geek out about it so much, you're like, what, Okay,
Speaker 1: why does she love it so much? Fathom is playing
Speaker 1: several Twilight Zone episodes on the big screen you can
Speaker 1: look in theaters in your area. Um so, but they're
Speaker 1: doing it for one night only. It's to honor the
Speaker 1: sixtieth anniversary of the Twilight Zone. Also a tribute to
Speaker 1: Rod Serling that I am in. A couple of other
Speaker 1: people are in. I'm guessing maybe Jordan's Peel is probably
Speaker 1: going to show up in it. I think he was
Speaker 1: in our documentary. Um So, they took a part of
Speaker 1: our documentary and are going to show it before enduring
Speaker 1: the episodes of the Twilight Zone. Yeah, the full documentary.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure when it comes out, but I will
Speaker 1: definitely tell y'all. But if you're a big t Z head,
Speaker 1: like go out and see it like it's you know,
Speaker 1: the only time we can actually see it on a
Speaker 1: big screen within a room surrounded by other Twilight Zone fans.
Speaker 1: Are so cool. Yeah, I've never been to one, but
Speaker 1: I also I've been to them. I'm a big theater nerd,
Speaker 1: you know, because we all have things that we nerd
Speaker 1: out about and they all do um with like the
Speaker 1: National Theater in uh in England. Um So, when benedictomber
Speaker 1: Batch was doing the Frankenstein play and alb is one,
Speaker 1: you know, so you can see them in the theater
Speaker 1: without you know, going to London. Yeah, so they typically
Speaker 1: do it for like one night only or something like
Speaker 1: you know, they did like a Guns and Roses or
Speaker 1: something like. They do. Yeah, these big live events or
Speaker 1: these big events that you can catch in theaters. So
Speaker 1: that is my thing. And if you check it out,
Speaker 1: I don't know, tweet me and let me know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah for sure and yeah me, I don't have anything
Speaker 1: coming up, but as always, you can check on Twitter
Speaker 1: and Instagram. If you want to hang in the discord,
Speaker 1: it's discord dot g g Ford slash Salt Squad. We
Speaker 1: have a lot of nerd famine. They're hanging out multiple
Speaker 1: a lot of nerd dumps coming together on there, and
Speaker 1: of course my stream if D s on Twitch I
Speaker 1: f d e easy. If you're an Amazon Prime member,
Speaker 1: you get a Twitch Prime sub that you can give
Speaker 1: to me for free, but you have to come back
Speaker 1: every month and give it because it isn't automatic. You know,
Speaker 1: the usual spiel. But beyond that, stay clony and just kidding,
Speaker 1: stay nerning.