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Speaker 1: the subject matter for yourself. Hi, I'm Sandra Champlain. For
Speaker 1: over twenty five years, I've been on a journey to
Speaker 1: prove the existence of life after death. Each episode will
Speaker 1: discuss the reasons we now know that our loved ones
Speaker 1: have survived physical debt and so will we. Welcome to
Speaker 1: Shades of the Afterlife. Someone asked me this past week
Speaker 1: via email where the best medium training comes from. Is
Speaker 1: it the Canadians, Is it the Australians? Is it the Americans,
Speaker 1: is it our friends in the UK? And basically I
Speaker 1: wrote her back with where I think all great mediumship
Speaker 1: comes from. So I want to start this episode with
Speaker 1: just a few facts and figures that you may not
Speaker 1: know about, and then you're going to hear some words
Speaker 1: from a great medium of today. Way back when, in
Speaker 1: the mid eighteen hundreds, there were a pair of sisters
Speaker 1: called the Fox Sisters, who were said to hear some
Speaker 1: wraps and taps within their home, and they created a
Speaker 1: system to communicate with this being who is giving them
Speaker 1: the raps and taps. You can do some research on
Speaker 1: the Fox Sisters, but that is said to where modern
Speaker 1: day spiritualism begins. Shortly after that, there is a lady
Speaker 1: named Maria B. Hayden that was a reverend and a doctor.
Speaker 1: She took this information over to the UK and basically
Speaker 1: introduced this spiritualism around eighteen fifty two. The late eighteen hundreds,
Speaker 1: talking to the deceased through mediumship was in its heyday,
Speaker 1: but it wasn't the mediumship we think of today, which
Speaker 1: we call evidential mediumship. It was people sitting in home
Speaker 1: circles singing, inviting the spirit world to come in the
Speaker 1: mediumship of those days was called trance and physical mediumship.
Speaker 1: If you feel like going back to some of my
Speaker 1: earlier episodes, episode number three was about Sir Arthur Conan Doyle.
Speaker 1: You remember him right, wrote Sherlock Holmes books. Well, in
Speaker 1: the late eighteen hundreds, he gave up Sherlock Holmes to
Speaker 1: write about and participate in spiritualism. Also in episode seventeen,
Speaker 1: I introduce to you words from Dan Ackroyd from Ghostbusters
Speaker 1: and his father Peter talking about the grandfather who participated
Speaker 1: in these meetings also known as seances back in the
Speaker 1: eighteen hundreds and what was experienced. There were some amazing
Speaker 1: mediums that came out of this time. One world famous
Speaker 1: medium was by the name of Estelle Roberts, and also
Speaker 1: during that time was a medium by the name of
Speaker 1: Fanny Higginson. Estelle was a medium who could do trance sittings.
Speaker 1: She had the power of physical mediumship, but also evidential mediumship.
Speaker 1: Fanny Higginson was also a trance medium and could sit
Speaker 1: in circle and give people evidential messages. Back on episode ninety,
Speaker 1: I introduced you to medium Martin Twycross, who told a
Speaker 1: lot in that episode about great mediums of the past,
Speaker 1: including Estelle and Gordon Higginson. Now Fanny Higginson was the
Speaker 1: mother of Gordon Higginson, and when she was just fourteen
Speaker 1: years old, she sat with one of these trance mediums
Speaker 1: who told her a couple of things. One that by
Speaker 1: the time she arrived home that she would find her
Speaker 1: mother deceased, which was true, and also that she herself
Speaker 1: would give birth to a boy who would end up
Speaker 1: being one of the all time great mediums. Fanny did
Speaker 1: become a medium. She trained her son Gordon from a
Speaker 1: very young age and I can't even imagine this, but
Speaker 1: there were times that she blindfolded him and plugged his
Speaker 1: ears so that he could develop that personal connection with
Speaker 1: the spirit world. She started training him at the age
Speaker 1: of three actually, and by the age of twelve they
Speaker 1: called him the boy Wonder for being able to give
Speaker 1: this communication from the deceased. Gordon, of course, really honed
Speaker 1: his own personal skills as a trance medium, a physical medium,
Speaker 1: and an evidential medium. And whether it's Canada, Australia, the
Speaker 1: United States, England or some other area in the world,
Speaker 1: I personally believe the very best mediumship with integrity comes
Speaker 1: from his teachings. Although Gordon Higginson passed to spirit in
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety three, you can still see videos of him
Speaker 1: lectures and get a whole bunch of really good information
Speaker 1: at Gordon Higginson dot co dot uk. You've met Carrie
Speaker 1: McLeod and Philip Dikes several times on the show. Their
Speaker 1: mediumship stems from his teachings and by the way, this
Speaker 1: week our new classes start with them. So if you
Speaker 1: want to come along and start a journey to experience
Speaker 1: mediumship what it's like, come on along. Of course you
Speaker 1: can find that at We Don't Die dot com. A
Speaker 1: great medium who studied under Gordon Higginson, Mavis Potila, migrated
Speaker 1: to the spirit world the end of twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1: She was someone who personally trained with Gordon Higginson. I
Speaker 1: want you to hear some words of another person who
Speaker 1: personally trained with Gordon Higginson. This is medium Paul Jacobs,
Speaker 1: who is known as one of the great mediums alive today.
Speaker 1: Different times in my life I had experiences as a
Speaker 1: young boy under young man, not realizing that I was
Speaker 1: a medium. I just thought it was the places I
Speaker 1: was residing at that time were haunted and they were ghosts,
Speaker 1: and then when I came to my mid twenties, these
Speaker 1: experiences sort of became intensive, and they were very objective experiences,
Speaker 1: and they actually scared the living daylights out to me.
Speaker 1: I would even get up in the middle of the
Speaker 1: night and put myself in a hotel. And one day
Speaker 1: I was walking down this road which I'd walked down
Speaker 1: many times before, and suddenly stopped and turned and saw
Speaker 1: this building which said Spiritualist Church, and the lights were
Speaker 1: on and people were going in. So I thought, oh,
Speaker 1: I'll go in and see what's going on there. I
Speaker 1: had no clue what was going to happen. And these
Speaker 1: two ladies came onto the platform, one which I know
Speaker 1: now is the president of the church, and the other
Speaker 1: lady was the medium. And as they sat there, I
Speaker 1: looked at the lady who was the medium, and I thought,
Speaker 1: I know that lady from somewhere off way through the demonstration,
Speaker 1: she came to me with the contact, and then through
Speaker 1: that contact, she suddenly stopped and she says, I know
Speaker 1: you don't time, and I says yes, and she said
Speaker 1: your office. So I said, yes, that's correct, and she says,
Speaker 1: it's not fair for me to carry I'm giving you
Speaker 1: a contact publicly. I'll have a word with you afterwards.
Speaker 1: And the means him turned out to be migrator on
Speaker 1: my father's arms. And about six weeks later she rang
Speaker 1: me and she says, are you still going to the church?
Speaker 1: I said, I have been, but I'll be honest, I
Speaker 1: don't think it's to me. It's a little bit rubbish
Speaker 1: what I'm hearing. I don't think much to it. And
Speaker 1: she said, well, on Sunday, I'm going to long and
Speaker 1: Spiritualist church, Gordon Higginson's church, which meant nothing to me.
Speaker 1: She says, would you like would you like to come
Speaker 1: with me? So I said yes, I'll come with you.
Speaker 1: And when we got to the church, Gordon Higginson was
Speaker 1: standing outside and she introduced me to him and we
Speaker 1: shook hands and I heard these words in my mind,
Speaker 1: you're going to become friends. Six weeks later, my aunts
Speaker 1: passed and I went to the funeral service, which the
Speaker 1: crematorium was only ten minutes down the road, and I
Speaker 1: arrived two hours early. Part of my car I looked
Speaker 1: over and there was Gordon Higginson sitting in his car.
Speaker 1: He was going to be taking the service and invite
Speaker 1: him to sit with him, and he says, young man,
Speaker 1: I can help you. And that was the beginning and
Speaker 1: the start of my journey. I think if I had
Speaker 1: not met him at the beginning of my journey, I
Speaker 1: don't think I would have stayed in this subject. I
Speaker 1: decided to book to go to the college and one
Speaker 1: of Gordon Higginson's winks and on the Fursday evening the introduction,
Speaker 1: he said, we're not going to have an introduction, We're
Speaker 1: going to begin works right away. Could I have a
Speaker 1: volunteer to come out and work? And nobody volunteered, and
Speaker 1: he said, you're all a waste of time. I don't
Speaker 1: know why you bothered coming. You've been given an opportunity
Speaker 1: and you don't take it. Paul out you can. So
Speaker 1: I came and at that STA, I haven't sat in
Speaker 1: any classes. All I was doing was sitting in a
Speaker 1: group for self awareness and self development because gordining isn't
Speaker 1: believed that was the foundation to begin your development, and
Speaker 1: also building and finding a recognition and a relationship with
Speaker 1: that power of God that's within you. So that was
Speaker 1: the first stage. But actually on medi mystic awareness and
Speaker 1: psychic exercises, I do not think. So I came out
Speaker 1: onto the platform. Man and I would like you to
Speaker 1: make a contact. That says me, I don't know it
Speaker 1: to do it. And he gave me no instructions. You know,
Speaker 1: he didn't say, right, relact yourself through you, breathe in exchange,
Speaker 1: or do this as I don't know what to do,
Speaker 1: says just ask who's there. Without having any previous knowledge
Speaker 1: or understanding, my mind went down to the depths of
Speaker 1: one's soul and simply just cried out to God, help
Speaker 1: give me what this man wants. And I heard the
Speaker 1: words farther in my head, and I didn't know whether
Speaker 1: it was the spirit world or not. And I had
Speaker 1: no problem expressing it because I wasn't scared of it
Speaker 1: not being the spirit would because I'd actually gone to
Speaker 1: prove I wasn't a met you. So I said, it's
Speaker 1: somebody's father. So he said, and who would he like
Speaker 1: to speak to? And I said, I don't know. He says,
Speaker 1: ask and allow their power to move you to where
Speaker 1: they want to go. So I did the same process again.
Speaker 1: This one lady in the audience seemed to stand out,
Speaker 1: this young blonde lady, and I said, the lady there,
Speaker 1: and she says, yes, my father's in the spirit world.
Speaker 1: And then Gordon Higgins and said, and what does he
Speaker 1: want to say? Again? I did the same process, went
Speaker 1: to the depths of my soul, asked and the words
Speaker 1: came into my mind. I've only just passed and I've
Speaker 1: left my daughter half a million pounds in my will.
Speaker 1: And she says, yes, that's correct. But what more simpler?
Speaker 1: Go to awaken that God power? Ask God who's there,
Speaker 1: who they want to speak to, what they want to say.
Speaker 1: If we all learn that simple thing right from the beginning,
Speaker 1: we wouldn't have the problems and difficulties in our leadership
Speaker 1: as we do today, and we'd have a better quality
Speaker 1: of you know, see what's happened over the years with meetingship,
Speaker 1: and I've been at fault with it as well, is that,
Speaker 1: you know, because the shoes are wanted to so much
Speaker 1: know all the mechanics of it, and then we're trying
Speaker 1: to structure is importance and giving them all these techniques
Speaker 1: and structures. But what we've done is taken away the naturalness.
Speaker 1: And even I had to awaken myself about that. And
Speaker 1: that's why quite often when I go into demonstrations. You
Speaker 1: hear the same style, the same type of evidence, time
Speaker 1: and time and time again. We're going to take this
Speaker 1: opportunity to have our break before hearing more words from
Speaker 1: Paul Jacobs, who is one of the last remaining mediums
Speaker 1: that have studied personally with Gordon Higginson. You're listening to
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Speaker 1: Shades of the Afterlife with Sandra Champlaine. Welcome back to
Speaker 1: Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra champlain and I'm sharing
Speaker 1: with you a conversation I had with Paul Jacobs, who
Speaker 1: is the only medium I know today left that has
Speaker 1: studied in try rained with the Great Gordon Higginson. Many
Speaker 1: mediums today are teaching this laundry list of information to
Speaker 1: get from someone in the spirit world. And I don't
Speaker 1: know who first came up with that, but it is
Speaker 1: not to be followed. How did you die, what was
Speaker 1: your illness, how tall were you, what color hair did
Speaker 1: you have, etc. So I want to share with you
Speaker 1: what Paul has to say about this. Soon of the
Speaker 1: shooters I've tried and teachers I've trained, they used to say, Paul,
Speaker 1: we're going to go into a demonstration and say, oh,
Speaker 1: you've seen me enough times. Listen, No, we want to come.
Speaker 1: And I said why because we find it interesting the
Speaker 1: way you begin to contact. And I said, what do
Speaker 1: you mean. I said, with you, you never know what
Speaker 1: you're going to begin with. It's so different. You don't
Speaker 1: have a set passion of what evidence is going to come.
Speaker 1: And I don't because when I work for the spirit
Speaker 1: world and ready to work, I just simply say, I surrender,
Speaker 1: I trust, bring me whatever evidence you want to bring
Speaker 1: in whatever way I can receive it. So I don't
Speaker 1: decide what evidence or wants and I don't decide the
Speaker 1: way I'm going to receive it. They know what to
Speaker 1: bring and they know what I'm capable of receiving through
Speaker 1: which faculty at that particular time. So when we're working
Speaker 1: communicating with people's loved ones, I believe in Veny was
Speaker 1: trying to get a soul to soul blending. So it's
Speaker 1: as if they're not possessing you, but it's if there's
Speaker 1: that merging of the souls of you and the communicator,
Speaker 1: and it's if within you you become the essence and
Speaker 1: the power of them. You can even take on their
Speaker 1: mannerisms with it, and then we can bring that, you know,
Speaker 1: the essence of them, the quality of them, how that
Speaker 1: maybe relationship was lived and shared between the communicator and
Speaker 1: the recipients. But then I believe then we have the
Speaker 1: helpers go to whatever you wish to call them. Who Well,
Speaker 1: then when there is maybe more specific, particular type of
Speaker 1: evidence to guess across, they will then sometimes bring that
Speaker 1: in through the Claire volumes and the Claire audience. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't believe personally that when we cross over that
Speaker 1: we have all knowledge of the entire verse. Certainly not certainly,
Speaker 1: you know, I think a lot of spirits disa going
Speaker 1: to be in for a little bit of a shock,
Speaker 1: to be honest with you. You know. So if we
Speaker 1: look when we physically die, we have this etheric body then,
Speaker 1: which is a replica of physical body without the disease.
Speaker 1: So we are in a level of consciousness or the
Speaker 1: world that is called the etheric world, which is a
Speaker 1: replica of this world. So within that etheric world there's
Speaker 1: still many many different levels of awareness and consciousness. And
Speaker 1: I believe the authentic Wilt is a copy of this world.
Speaker 1: So for those who have not maybe full field our
Speaker 1: full earthly time, we can still in that world fulfill
Speaker 1: that we didn't have the time to manifest within this world.
Speaker 1: So if you've got a son in the spirit world
Speaker 1: who was, you know, aiming to be a professional footballer,
Speaker 1: and they've got a talent, it can continue and to fulfill.
Speaker 1: That's that potential and that's that dream. And I also
Speaker 1: think it's a place of adjustment as well. So what
Speaker 1: we've got to look at, even though it's the spirit world,
Speaker 1: is a state of being and mind. The etheric world
Speaker 1: is as real and solid to our family in the
Speaker 1: spirit world as this one is to you and me,
Speaker 1: So you know, so you know, we've I realized I
Speaker 1: was so fortunate the spirit world people took me through
Speaker 1: the process of what it was like to die and
Speaker 1: move into the spirit world. And when I've moved into
Speaker 1: the ethnic world, it wasn't clairvoyains that actually took me
Speaker 1: through the process and the experience. So when I arrived
Speaker 1: at the level of the Eutheric world, most conscious of
Speaker 1: my father, and were to meet my father, then I
Speaker 1: heard this voice, one of the guy. I'd say to me, Paul,
Speaker 1: we'd like you to come with us, and I says, no,
Speaker 1: thank you. I'm staying here once, stay with my father
Speaker 1: and they said, no, you cannot. I said, will come,
Speaker 1: my father, come with us, and they said, no, where
Speaker 1: we want to thank you, the light will be too
Speaker 1: bright for him. So they took me to another level
Speaker 1: of consciousness which my father wasn't ready to reach. So
Speaker 1: I'm in this physical world. He's in the spirit world.
Speaker 1: And I could still reach a higher level of consciousness
Speaker 1: in the spirit world that my father could. So it
Speaker 1: all depends on the levels of consciouness we reside in
Speaker 1: and expressing will depend on our own development and expression
Speaker 1: and consciousness of our own own spirit. And this is
Speaker 1: why spiritual is. Once we have the knowledge of understanding
Speaker 1: we have actually we have greater responsibility and personal responsibility
Speaker 1: to live to the highest thing that is within us
Speaker 1: to the best of our ability. Okay, we're u when
Speaker 1: we're still going to have frailties, we're not going to
Speaker 1: be able to express it perfectly. But we need to
Speaker 1: start that process here and now, within this life, not
Speaker 1: wait until we physically life to be able to grow
Speaker 1: and perfect that expression of the spirit, which is that
Speaker 1: something divine, that power we know and understand of God.
Speaker 1: That's within us all a little bit about that God,
Speaker 1: source of the divinity inside anything. Yes, certainly. So what
Speaker 1: we've got to look at we've got the physical body.
Speaker 1: Then beyond the physical body, we've got the etheric body,
Speaker 1: and numerous lighter bodies which we shed as we grow
Speaker 1: and progress in the expression. And then we have the soul,
Speaker 1: and we may get we'll get to a stage eventually
Speaker 1: where we will lose shape and fall, but we will
Speaker 1: still have individuality because we'll be purely soul. And then
Speaker 1: the soul is the vehicle of the spirit and the
Speaker 1: emotion and the higher mind and consciousness. Because as medium
Speaker 1: as we supposed to give evidence that there's another mind,
Speaker 1: another intelligence behind that communication. So the mind of the
Speaker 1: spirit within the soul is nothing to do with the
Speaker 1: brain or the physical body. And I believe within each
Speaker 1: of us there is that God particle that each of
Speaker 1: us have to touch, and I believe every true medium
Speaker 1: has to touch that God part at least once. And
Speaker 1: it's by touching that God particle we awaken that power
Speaker 1: of the Spirit. I believe it's the same power that
Speaker 1: runs through you, me, the bird, the flower, and the tree.
Speaker 1: But then that power is individualized in its expression through
Speaker 1: our soul's journey. I don't believe we're here to perfect
Speaker 1: the spirit. But if that spirit is of something of God,
Speaker 1: then that perfection is already there. It is being able
Speaker 1: to express that perfection. That's something divine in every action,
Speaker 1: in our thoughts, in our feelings, in our words, in
Speaker 1: our deeds. And like I said, none of us are
Speaker 1: going to make that perfect, but it's being able to recognize.
Speaker 1: And this is very much the point that Gordon was,
Speaker 1: and also very much he tried to get across to me,
Speaker 1: was this reality of this living power that's divine that
Speaker 1: we know as God, but for to be part of
Speaker 1: your Dad. He believed in making God your best friend,
Speaker 1: sharing all that you are all the time with God.
Speaker 1: Just a little funny story. We were doing and taking
Speaker 1: in the platform in the church ready for the harvest
Speaker 1: ft up. So him and myself were pretting all the
Speaker 1: produce out and he was at the one end and
Speaker 1: I was at the other end. And it was quite
Speaker 1: a large platform, it so quite a distance. And I
Speaker 1: got down to this last bag of oranges, and every
Speaker 1: time I put the last orange on, they all fell off.
Speaker 1: I tried several times and I was cussing and swearing
Speaker 1: under my breath, and then all of a sudden I
Speaker 1: heard good and say Paul, And I turned round and
Speaker 1: he looked at me and he says, don't swear at them. Now.
Speaker 1: He didn't physically hear him. It swear, It says, speak
Speaker 1: to them with love. They are seeds of God. And
Speaker 1: he walked over it, picked the last orange up, placed
Speaker 1: it there, and they just stayed perfectly. I don't seems
Speaker 1: a little silly story, but that was his conviction of
Speaker 1: him living the power and the relationship of God. And
Speaker 1: that was the difference with it. It wasn't just the
Speaker 1: quality of his meadingship. It was the power that was
Speaker 1: there and that emanated from him. You know, when he
Speaker 1: used to come to the mouth of Finland College, say
Speaker 1: maybe portway through the course, you could feel the atmosphere
Speaker 1: begin to change as he got closer to the college.
Speaker 1: It was unbelievable. You know, you'd only have to be
Speaker 1: within his company, in his presence and you'd feel something different.
Speaker 1: It's and I'm not exaggerating, you know. Even even my mother,
Speaker 1: who's a strong Catholic, played sometimes she'd say to me,
Speaker 1: are you going to churse today, Paul, and I'd say yes,
Speaker 1: and she'd say it's Gordon Higginson going to be there,
Speaker 1: and I'd say yes, but he's not taking the service.
Speaker 1: And she says that's okay, and she's I'll come with you.
Speaker 1: I said, well, why does he have to be there,
Speaker 1: he's not taking the demonstration or the speaking. She's poor.
Speaker 1: I only have to see him standing there and does
Speaker 1: no matter how ill I feel or how depressed I am,
Speaker 1: I feel well the game that was the power he had.
Speaker 1: How can we get in touch with that God's source
Speaker 1: within us and what our souls meant to do. That's
Speaker 1: a very good point to bring to bring up, you say,
Speaker 1: because this recognize in this power and developing this power,
Speaker 1: having this relationship with Mesim of God is not just
Speaker 1: for mediums. Actually, it's what the message of medingship is
Speaker 1: all about. Yes, we're here, and I'd love to be
Speaker 1: able to help those who are grieving for that physical loss. Yes,
Speaker 1: help people who seek with a healing touch. But yes,
Speaker 1: maybe help people who've got problems and difficulties. But the
Speaker 1: greater messaging is and beyond the mediumship, and this is
Speaker 1: where often we are failing. And I will do something
Speaker 1: myself as well, so please, I'm not just speaking about
Speaker 1: everybody else. If Medingship is doing its real job, serving
Speaker 1: its real purpose, it is through that communication from spirits
Speaker 1: and our spirit touching and awakening the spirit of the recipient.
Speaker 1: So I will then have a change take place and
Speaker 1: make them searge to find their own reality of that
Speaker 1: power of the eternal spirit and how we can be
Speaker 1: part of their life and help them in their life.
Speaker 1: We'll go on to our break in just a moment,
Speaker 1: but just consider that light, that divine spark, the God source,
Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it, is very real. Something
Speaker 1: breathed life into us, something has the trees grow, the
Speaker 1: flowers grow, and tapping into it while we're here and
Speaker 1: continuing the journey after we migrate to the other side.
Speaker 1: We do all want to tap into the source. So
Speaker 1: we'll hear more about that when we come back with
Speaker 1: Paul Jacobs. You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife on
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Speaker 1: Shades of the Afterlife. Welcome back to Shades of the
Speaker 1: Afterlife I'm Sandra Champlain and we are listening to some
Speaker 1: inspiring words from medium Paul Jacobs, who is the only
Speaker 1: one I know that is left as a student of
Speaker 1: the great teacher Gordon Higginson. He was speaking about this
Speaker 1: divine light that burns within each one of us, our
Speaker 1: connection to the source, to God, and we don't need
Speaker 1: to be a medium to be fueled by it, so
Speaker 1: let's continue. You know, we don't want everybody to be mediums,
Speaker 1: got to help us if everybody was, we don't want that.
Speaker 1: We want people in all walks of life, whether it's
Speaker 1: somebody expressing that power simply has been the most wonderful
Speaker 1: mother in the world, politicians, our businessmen, our teachers and
Speaker 1: medical profession If that could do with all all expressed
Speaker 1: with that power of that divinity that's there and the
Speaker 1: source we are in, what a difference. And if we
Speaker 1: can also individually you don't have to be a medium,
Speaker 1: can develop that power it will all and listen to
Speaker 1: that soil and still intuitive voice within the soul. We
Speaker 1: could actually make all mediums redundant. We don't need them,
Speaker 1: because then the spirit will can help us individual that
Speaker 1: power will be able to move us directors uphold us
Speaker 1: in all that we are and in all that we do.
Speaker 1: It's the same with prayers. God's got no hands and
Speaker 1: feet to answer our prayers. So the only way God
Speaker 1: can answer those prayers is why people who have got
Speaker 1: that away and who could be moved by that power
Speaker 1: be moved into the path from the place of that
Speaker 1: person asking the prayer, or the person who's asking the
Speaker 1: prayer being hammer to be moved by that power into
Speaker 1: the path of the person who can help them. I'll
Speaker 1: just share another little story with you, because it's part
Speaker 1: of what we're speaking about. I was driving along with
Speaker 1: Good and Hinginston in the car and I was telling
Speaker 1: him how I slept with an accident of a bit,
Speaker 1: and he said, you sleep with an acupidness, and that's
Speaker 1: a little bit silly. Why do you do that? That's
Speaker 1: it one of my holmes burgle to I'm scared of
Speaker 1: it's happening, the game and happening, particularly if I'm holding
Speaker 1: better sleep at night. Tom And he says, Paul, you
Speaker 1: who are silly? He says, do you not realize how
Speaker 1: well protected you are? Nothing untoward will ever happen to
Speaker 1: you in life? I thought and tested cancel all my
Speaker 1: life insurance, take out extra pension. And then he added,
Speaker 1: and I'd never told him this, he said, and even
Speaker 1: in your car, and he didn't know that. I'd also
Speaker 1: got this fear that I would die in a car
Speaker 1: accident because my father did, my grandmother did, got the
Speaker 1: close friends did. And I hope, Wow, this is wonderful.
Speaker 1: Nothing going towards going to help happen to me. So
Speaker 1: when I arrived at I was thinking about it. So
Speaker 1: I sat and I thought, and I said, to the
Speaker 1: spirit world, that's very nice, all very well for me,
Speaker 1: But why me and not everybody else. I'm no more important,
Speaker 1: I'm no more special than anybody else. And the answer
Speaker 1: I got back from the spirit was, we try to
Speaker 1: do the same for everyone, but we are limited by
Speaker 1: you as individuals on how which we can influence you
Speaker 1: through the power, so that what the spirit world can
Speaker 1: do for me can do for you and everybody else.
Speaker 1: If we waken that power and have that relationship with it, well,
Speaker 1: it's a great story. I'm starting to get teared up.
Speaker 1: I grew up going to Catholic school, Catholic never even
Speaker 1: now have not developed that relationship with God. And I
Speaker 1: got this image that I've had this silent friend walking
Speaker 1: in my life by my side the whole time, always here,
Speaker 1: always ready, And it really is as simple as just
Speaker 1: asking that's right. Sometimes. You know some of the students
Speaker 1: and says people you know you seem to be able
Speaker 1: to stay out your conscious mind quite easily when you're
Speaker 1: working with the spirit world and be able to stay
Speaker 1: with the spirit. I said yes, because I'm not doing
Speaker 1: anything unnatural. When I'm living my everyday life. I'm experiencing
Speaker 1: it not just in my conscious mind, but with my
Speaker 1: soul and the ingredients within the soul, so I'm not
Speaker 1: doing anything different. Thank you for sharing that. Paul, You've
Speaker 1: been a guest medium on some of our Sunday gatherings
Speaker 1: and also some other private demonstrations. Some evidence really seems evidential.
Speaker 1: Can you talk a little bit about the evidence that
Speaker 1: comes through you see as somebody listening to a contact,
Speaker 1: and as the medium, we cannot judge what is good
Speaker 1: evidence or not. Again, I'll just give you a little story.
Speaker 1: It's one of my favorite ones. I've been seeing this
Speaker 1: lady and given as several private sittings. Her daughter was
Speaker 1: in the spirit world, and then it's just to bemplshus,
Speaker 1: my husband is just falling apart. If we can't do
Speaker 1: anything with him. Would you see him for me? I said, yes,
Speaker 1: I will, and he came. She brought him and because
Speaker 1: I've given several sittings already to the wife, I was
Speaker 1: like searching for what evidence I can get. Differently, I
Speaker 1: was trying to find the most practical evidence, strongest evidence
Speaker 1: I could to convenience him. And it was just and
Speaker 1: I thought, I'm not succeeding here at all. So I
Speaker 1: just said to the daughter, I said, is there something
Speaker 1: else you'd like to give before we bring the sitting
Speaker 1: to the clothes And she gave me something, and I
Speaker 1: said to the father, I said, I want to say
Speaker 1: some words from your daughter to you. They're not evidence.
Speaker 1: I cannot prove them, but she just simply wants to
Speaker 1: say you're the best father in the world and she
Speaker 1: wouldn't change you for anything. And he just absolutely broke out.
Speaker 1: I turned to the wife. I said, where have I said?
Speaker 1: What have I done? She has pulled? You don't realize
Speaker 1: the last time we saw her before she killed in
Speaker 1: the accident, we told her he wasn't her real father.
Speaker 1: And a reply back to him was the best father
Speaker 1: in the world. I wouldn't change you for anything. That
Speaker 1: was their last word, their last conversation. And there's messy.
Speaker 1: It's not evidence. And then if you've been listening in
Speaker 1: a demonstration, you'd have thought I was just being all
Speaker 1: sweet love and light. Not evident. The father comes to
Speaker 1: hurt anything better, you know, at one in a demonstration,
Speaker 1: I knew this young girls. She only looked about sixteen
Speaker 1: seventeen eighteen the most. And I knew she was going
Speaker 1: to have a contact or I wasn't going to force it.
Speaker 1: And it was the last contact. And I went to
Speaker 1: her and I said, you've listened to the contacts I've
Speaker 1: given this evening. I'm not going to be giving all
Speaker 1: that type of information to you. I just want you
Speaker 1: to know your father's here. He walked through the front door.
Speaker 1: He never came back. And it wasn't your fault. Didn't
Speaker 1: give her anything else. She didn't need anything else. She
Speaker 1: was an absolute tears. The whole room was in tears.
Speaker 1: There was nothing else need to be seent. So this
Speaker 1: is what we've got to be careful of as teachers,
Speaker 1: in this controlling and this limitation of what the spirit
Speaker 1: world wants to express. Yes, we do have to give
Speaker 1: up techniques and structure to present it in a certain way,
Speaker 1: but really there's got to be that surrender of what
Speaker 1: they want to bring and what we incapable of receiving.
Speaker 1: They know they know us inside out. Paul, could you
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about symbolism. A lot of mediums
Speaker 1: use it. A balloon must mean a birthday. Symbology is important,
Speaker 1: and there's different types of symbology, but I often see
Speaker 1: symbology used as an excuse to cover up being wrong,
Speaker 1: you know. So they might say, show you a railway
Speaker 1: track and they say, oh, your father works on the
Speaker 1: railway lines. No, then it's symbolic then, and they want
Speaker 1: to say you've got to stay on track. And you
Speaker 1: see the trouble is, you know. Even I do use symbology,
Speaker 1: I use it in two ways. One way, they will
Speaker 1: sometimes get practical evidence off through a symbolic object, like
Speaker 1: they might show me they shown me a joy of
Speaker 1: Robinson jam because they wanted to get the name of
Speaker 1: Robinson across. I remember being in Italy and I was
Speaker 1: given the lady from her husband now sorry, from her father,
Speaker 1: and he had been accepted, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: I saw this horse, and I could have easily made
Speaker 1: the mistake of saying, no, it's a symbol of strength
Speaker 1: of your father out at horse, and I didn't. I
Speaker 1: said to the translator, what's the word for horse in Italian?
Speaker 1: And she said Cavalier. So I said to the recipient,
Speaker 1: your father connected to people by the name of Cavalier,
Speaker 1: and she says, that's our family name. So there is symbody,
Speaker 1: but it has to be an evidential, practical way. Then
Speaker 1: what the spirit world will do for me. Sometimes they
Speaker 1: will bring me clairvoyant evidence, which is evidence of the communicator,
Speaker 1: which then I can use symboli to lead me into
Speaker 1: the message. So saying I gave you a man of
Speaker 1: contact from his grandfather, I spoke about the silver coin
Speaker 1: that was mint condition in a presentation box that he
Speaker 1: had belonged into his grandfather, and then the spirit will
Speaker 1: day in which he accepted an acknowledge. Then the spirit
Speaker 1: world wanted to use that to lead me into the
Speaker 1: message that they'd come to speak and help him about
Speaker 1: his financial situations. You've got to be experiencing have a
Speaker 1: mind to do this. That will give me some weird
Speaker 1: and wonderful ones, you know, they might give you things.
Speaker 1: I remember all I could see was I was watching
Speaker 1: a movie, King Kong, the film Yeah, and I could
Speaker 1: see Kingong hanging from the Empire State building and holding
Speaker 1: the lady in his hand. And I said that I
Speaker 1: wanted somebody hear a lady in the audience here who
Speaker 1: links with the name of King. And this lady put
Speaker 1: a hand up, and I said, you have an ex
Speaker 1: boyfriend partner that love it in the spirit world. Yes,
Speaker 1: I said, you spent time in New York in my
Speaker 1: matter with each other. Yes, he was in the film industry. Yes,
Speaker 1: all from that one picture. So that's symbolic for it's
Speaker 1: still factual evidence. So there are times, there's quite often
Speaker 1: I will get a stained glass. So I've got the
Speaker 1: stained glass window from my church, the Good Shepherd, which
Speaker 1: is really Jesus with the Lambs, you know, which is
Speaker 1: simbilarized in the little children. So sometimes they will give
Speaker 1: me there to tell me that there's a child in
Speaker 1: the spirit world, a small child, not a miscarriage, but
Speaker 1: a child that actually touched the earth that didn't stay.
Speaker 1: But every time I have that calm, it doesn't always
Speaker 1: mean that, so I have to not presume it's automnatically
Speaker 1: going to meet and to other times it could be
Speaker 1: purely a stained glass window. It could be simply the
Speaker 1: psalm that the good shepherds. So you know you're going
Speaker 1: to be capable of having one symbol that means the
Speaker 1: same thing every time. I've had two different occasions when
Speaker 1: they're showing with the picture of Dracula, but I didn't
Speaker 1: give the same evidence. The one was a lady from
Speaker 1: Holland and her husband was communicating, and from the image
Speaker 1: of draft that I was drawn to two particular points
Speaker 1: where Dracula was from and the blood plots on the neck.
Speaker 1: So I said, your husband died with blood plotting. Yes,
Speaker 1: I said, your husband also had linksus in Holland to Romania,
Speaker 1: and my husband was Romagnian. This is a good time
Speaker 1: to take our break, but it's fascinating this language of
Speaker 1: the soul and how the spirit world puts pictures into
Speaker 1: our minds for evidence that need to be unraveled, so
Speaker 1: to speak. We'll be back with more stories from Paul
Speaker 1: Jacobs when we get back. You're listening to Shades of
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Speaker 1: the Afterlife. I'm Sandra's champlain. You can find out more
Speaker 1: about our guest at his website medium Paul Jacobs dot com.
Speaker 1: And what a pleasure it is to hear his stories.
Speaker 1: So he was just about to tell the second story
Speaker 1: when Dracula showed up in his mind giving a medium reading.
Speaker 1: Then on another time in Italy I've got this. All
Speaker 1: I've got kept seeing was like this movie in Dracula
Speaker 1: in his coffee and somebody pretty mistake through his heart.
Speaker 1: What the hell am I going to do with this?
Speaker 1: I can get nothing else, I said, Roy, who are you?
Speaker 1: Where'd you want to go? I've got dad. I know
Speaker 1: he was a young man. On the background, I said,
Speaker 1: your father's in the spirit world. Yes, I said, your
Speaker 1: father died in his sleep in bad with a heart attack. Yes,
Speaker 1: I said, your father in some way was involved with films. Yes,
Speaker 1: my father worked at the cinema. And then it was
Speaker 1: if I'd got the stake and hammer in my hand,
Speaker 1: and I wanted to start chiseling, I said, an in
Speaker 1: your spare time, your father used to make sculptures, and
Speaker 1: you've got one that is only half finish that belonged
Speaker 1: to him. So you see what you've got to realize.
Speaker 1: It is like learning another language, and there is a shorthand.
Speaker 1: And I also teach that the spirit world will often
Speaker 1: give you as little as possible, to give you as
Speaker 1: much as possible. But I understand the point where you
Speaker 1: were coming from, So so I want to get across.
Speaker 1: The symbology is important, but we can't use it in
Speaker 1: this silly way of being a cover up, an excuse
Speaker 1: for me be wrong. You know, the spirit world aren't
Speaker 1: going to go all that trouble and the difficulty for
Speaker 1: you to manifest this clear void picture just to be
Speaker 1: symbolic for personality and character. It doesn't make sense. It's
Speaker 1: easier just to feel and sense the personality and character.
Speaker 1: And then we've got to just make sure that we're
Speaker 1: not too close mind and try and use that symbol
Speaker 1: as the same thing every time. I know there's a
Speaker 1: lot of people do that. Would I would break that
Speaker 1: happif if I got that in my mediumship. I'd want
Speaker 1: to PreK that, Paul, we are not all cut out
Speaker 1: to be mediums or we just don't want to be.
Speaker 1: Can the spirit world use us in our lives in
Speaker 1: other ways? But you know, an artist, a musician, a
Speaker 1: gardener that you can touch and bring a difference to
Speaker 1: somebody's son just as much as the medium. You know,
Speaker 1: we're not going to get any extra points when we
Speaker 1: get to heaven because we've been a medium. We want
Speaker 1: people to be in. You can inspire people from all
Speaker 1: aspects out of life. You know, I can a good
Speaker 1: friend of mine. She passed three years ago. She was
Speaker 1: ninety nine when she passed, and she was at the
Speaker 1: church for over fifty years. She was the church healing receptionist.
Speaker 1: She was the church treasurer, she was the church organist
Speaker 1: after fifty after remer, just before the fifty years, she
Speaker 1: says to me, Paul, I'm toyed. Do you think I've
Speaker 1: done enough to pay God back for the healing I
Speaker 1: had from Gordon? Because when she was forwards, if she
Speaker 1: had cancer and she went to the church for healing, yeah,
Speaker 1: and Gordon, it's in Gordon Higinson's book. He was doing
Speaker 1: a lecture and Marjorie and my friend's name was Marjorie's
Speaker 1: sitting on the front row and he says, you see, Marge,
Speaker 1: you will never be a media and a fair sort
Speaker 1: of like. Didn't like him saying that publicly, but then
Speaker 1: he turned to everybody and looked at everybody says, put home.
Speaker 1: She does love God so much, so, you know, she
Speaker 1: served the spirit world probably far more than many mediums
Speaker 1: did by being the healing receptionist, you know, by being
Speaker 1: the organist at the church, by looking after all the
Speaker 1: finances through the church, helping the fund raising events, she's
Speaker 1: not less as spiritual than the medium. She's probably more
Speaker 1: because she gave it freely and she did it in
Speaker 1: thanks for what she'd received from God through the power
Speaker 1: of the spirit in the healing. Oh, I feel the
Speaker 1: same way, just what I'm doing, And yes, I like
Speaker 1: to dabble and take courses, but I love this. I
Speaker 1: feel so much joy and I get to serve and share.
Speaker 1: I love to share. So what you're doing, Sundra, it's
Speaker 1: just as important as any medium, because you know it
Speaker 1: is through people like you or people who organize more
Speaker 1: practical courses everywhere. Without you, we couldn't do my work,
Speaker 1: you know. So you know that we will be able
Speaker 1: to do anything without meadenship and experiences, our knowledge, our understanding.
Speaker 1: If we haven't got people like you, that helps us
Speaker 1: a greas opportunities for us to be able to express
Speaker 1: it and share and touch other people. And in return,
Speaker 1: I get so much joy and love and it's great
Speaker 1: and I can still explore what I want to explore
Speaker 1: instead of the beginning talking about training people in awareness first,
Speaker 1: and that's how youth started. That's right, you know, And
Speaker 1: you know sometimes there's no there's no need to keep
Speaker 1: having to be with a teacher for everything all the time,
Speaker 1: you know. So in my early time, you know, I
Speaker 1: sat with a small group of four other people for this,
Speaker 1: just going within my own soul. And then I would
Speaker 1: then do it every day on my own. And then
Speaker 1: it was about twelve months and then Gordon Higgins and
Speaker 1: said you're now ready to begin, you know so and
Speaker 1: then even even with courses, you know that there are
Speaker 1: people who come to the hearth within the college and
Speaker 1: they come quite ready, you know, all times a year
Speaker 1: and I'll say to them, you know, well what have
Speaker 1: you done since you came last time? Nothing? I said, well,
Speaker 1: it's going to be starting from the beginning a game.
Speaker 1: And a lot of people come on courses, then what
Speaker 1: you've given them they've done nothing with in the in
Speaker 1: between time, so them coming back, you know, And sometimes
Speaker 1: you can't do too many courses. I only used to
Speaker 1: do two courses a year. But what I would do
Speaker 1: is take where I'd learned from that course back to
Speaker 1: my personal development circle and then go back six months
Speaker 1: later to see how I'd incorporated it and what stage
Speaker 1: was next for me or what was my weakness is
Speaker 1: what was my strengths? And then Also, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: not going to be the right teacher for everybody. No teachers, okay,
Speaker 1: you're not. Every students can be the right for us.
Speaker 1: Every teacher has got something to offer. But I think
Speaker 1: in the beginning, yes, you maybe need to experience one
Speaker 1: or two a few different one us. But I think
Speaker 1: they've got to come a point where if you keep
Speaker 1: running to too many different teachers, do too many courses
Speaker 1: with too many different teachers, you end up in a
Speaker 1: confused state and miss you know. It's like if I
Speaker 1: might be at the college in St. Stead and often
Speaker 1: nar take the advanced groups or the professional groups and mediums,
Speaker 1: and I'll say, you know, that's not good what you're doing.
Speaker 1: And yes, for the last time we came here, we
Speaker 1: were told to do that. And I said, well, in
Speaker 1: my eyes, it's not good. It's helps to you. You're
Speaker 1: going to make up your own mind. I said this
Speaker 1: way to try my way, take it home, digest it,
Speaker 1: and then decide whether my way willin acial mediumship or
Speaker 1: or you want to go back to what you were
Speaker 1: given last time. It's your choice. But then I always
Speaker 1: as we don't just choose the easy option. We could
Speaker 1: have struggle we're going to have difficult even as a
Speaker 1: professional medium for thirty years. I'll still have my contacts,
Speaker 1: I'll struggle with I'll still have a city. I might
Speaker 1: still have ant city, and I think scrape the barrel.
Speaker 1: I might have Wow, that was fantastic, Yeah, that was okay.
Speaker 1: And there might even be the odd one. I'm saying, Look,
Speaker 1: it's obviously it's not working. I'm not happy with it,
Speaker 1: or it's obvious you're not happy. Let's call it today.
Speaker 1: Are the arrange another time for you or the arrange
Speaker 1: one with the colleague, And let's be honest, you know,
Speaker 1: because with this there's no guarantee. We never know from
Speaker 1: one content one sitting, one demonstration to the next on
Speaker 1: to how it's going to be, you know, and there's
Speaker 1: so many ingredients. You know, not all the communicators are
Speaker 1: good communicators. I never know from one to the next
Speaker 1: heir receptive I'm going to be at that time, and
Speaker 1: also the recipient, all the audience can make a difference
Speaker 1: as well. So I always say for it to really
Speaker 1: work well, it needs all three to play their part.
Speaker 1: I know it's difficult for many of us to fully
Speaker 1: comprehend and understand that in reality. The physical is the illusion.
Speaker 1: The spirit is the reality, and that is eternal. And
Speaker 1: if within our own souls and consciousness we can grasp
Speaker 1: and live that reality, those difficulties and pain, whether it's grieve,
Speaker 1: health or this material life that affect us would not
Speaker 1: have the effect if we could accept that reality, because
Speaker 1: if we look at this life journal in the earthly world,
Speaker 1: that it is only a grain of sound in the
Speaker 1: desert to our total experience of eternal life and expression
Speaker 1: of the Spirit. And if we could live that reality,
Speaker 1: except that reality, then you would find that this life,
Speaker 1: whatever came out our way, we'd always have the strength
Speaker 1: and the power to carry us, move us and live
Speaker 1: and enjoy whatever has happened to us, the experience of
Speaker 1: life and the expression of the Spirit and the eternal
Speaker 1: soul and behalf of all of us. I want to
Speaker 1: thank Paul Jacobs for sharing these words with us today.
Speaker 1: I'm really left with the picture of God or the
Speaker 1: Source or this light and having this relationship no matter
Speaker 1: where we are on the journey, if we are fifty
Speaker 1: six years, in ninety five years, in twenty five years
Speaker 1: in we're at the perfect place exactly where we need
Speaker 1: to be. Whatever your passion is if it's fueled with love,
Speaker 1: making a difference for others following your joy, you can't
Speaker 1: go wrong. And I do believe we are supported, I
Speaker 1: said earlier. If you're interested in mediumship, we do the
Speaker 1: classes online and it's kind of nice in the privacy
Speaker 1: of your own home to sit in a virtual development circle.
Speaker 1: But the spirit world works with us just the same.
Speaker 1: We don't need to be physically together. So if you
Speaker 1: want to join us anytime, you're welcome to join our circle.
Speaker 1: Just go to we Don't Die dot com. So link
Speaker 1: you can click on the top of the page that
Speaker 1: says at home courses and you can join one that's
Speaker 1: in progress or wait till the next one starts. Can
Speaker 1: I ask for all of us that we slow down,
Speaker 1: that we give ourselves a pat on the back. We're
Speaker 1: just where we need to be, That we look around,
Speaker 1: that we get present to the miraculous life we are living.
Speaker 1: That we spend some time being grateful for it. And
Speaker 1: like Paul said earlier, he spent a year sitting in
Speaker 1: a development circle, not for mediumship, but just for self awareness.
Speaker 1: Spend some time alone with your own soul in that
Speaker 1: quiet the voice you hear in your mind, maybe the
Speaker 1: voice of guidance from your soul or from a loved one.
Speaker 1: But we are supported, we are loved, and we really matter.
Speaker 1: So on behalf of myself, your loved ones, your spirit team.
Speaker 1: You are amazing, You are deeply loved. You are so special,
Speaker 1: and you are one of a kind. I'm Sandra Champlain
Speaker 1: and I'd like to thank you for listening to Shades
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