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Speaker 1: the Afterlife with Sandra Schamplain. Welcome to our podcast. Please

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Speaker 1: the subject matter for yourself. Hi, I'm Sandra Champlain. For

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Speaker 1: over twenty five years, I've been on a journey to

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Speaker 1: prove the existence of life after death. Each episode will

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Speaker 1: discuss the reasons we now know that our loved ones

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Speaker 1: have survived physical debt and so will we. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: Shades of the Afterlife. Someone asked me this past week

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Speaker 1: via email where the best medium training comes from. Is

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Speaker 1: it the Canadians, Is it the Australians? Is it the Americans,

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Speaker 1: wrote her back with where I think all great mediumship

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Speaker 1: just a few facts and figures that you may not

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Speaker 1: from a great medium of today. Way back when, in

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Speaker 1: the Fox Sisters, but that is said to where modern

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Speaker 1: day spiritualism begins. Shortly after that, there is a lady

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Speaker 1: She took this information over to the UK and basically

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Speaker 1: introduced this spiritualism around eighteen fifty two. The late eighteen hundreds,

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Speaker 1: but it wasn't the mediumship we think of today, which

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Speaker 1: mediumship of those days was called trance and physical mediumship.

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Speaker 1: If you feel like going back to some of my

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Speaker 1: earlier episodes, episode number three was about Sir Arthur Conan Doyle.

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Speaker 1: You remember him right, wrote Sherlock Holmes books. Well, in

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Speaker 1: write about and participate in spiritualism. Also in episode seventeen,

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Speaker 1: I introduce to you words from Dan Ackroyd from Ghostbusters

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Speaker 1: in these meetings also known as seances back in the

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Speaker 1: mediums that came out of this time. One world famous

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Speaker 1: Fanny Higginson. Estelle was a medium who could do trance sittings.

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Speaker 1: She had the power of physical mediumship, but also evidential mediumship.

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Speaker 1: Fanny Higginson was also a trance medium and could sit

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Speaker 1: Different times in my life I had experiences as a

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Speaker 1: And she says, yes, that's correct. But what more simpler?

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Speaker 1: of you know, see what's happened over the years with meetingship,

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Speaker 1: and I've been at fault with it as well, is that,

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Speaker 1: Shades of the Afterlife with Sandra Champlaine. Welcome back to

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Speaker 1: Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra champlain and I'm sharing

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Speaker 1: And I said why because we find it interesting the

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Speaker 1: So I will then have a change take place and

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Speaker 1: Shades of the Afterlife. Welcome back to Shades of the

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Speaker 1: Afterlife I'm Sandra Champlain and we are listening to some

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Speaker 1: inspiring words from medium Paul Jacobs, who is the only

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Speaker 1: one I know that is left as a student of

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Speaker 1: the great teacher Gordon Higginson. He was speaking about this

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Speaker 1: divine light that burns within each one of us, our

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Speaker 1: connection to the source, to God, and we don't need

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Speaker 1: to be a medium to be fueled by it, so

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Speaker 1: let's continue. You know, we don't want everybody to be mediums,

455
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 1: got to help us if everybody was, we don't want that.

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00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 1: We want people in all walks of life, whether it's

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Speaker 1: somebody expressing that power simply has been the most wonderful

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00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 1: mother in the world, politicians, our businessmen, our teachers and

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00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 1: medical profession If that could do with all all expressed

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00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 1: with that power of that divinity that's there and the

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00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 1: source we are in, what a difference. And if we

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00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 1: can also individually you don't have to be a medium,

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00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 1: can develop that power it will all and listen to

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00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 1: that soil and still intuitive voice within the soul. We

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00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 1: could actually make all mediums redundant. We don't need them,

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00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 1: because then the spirit will can help us individual that

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00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 1: power will be able to move us directors uphold us

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00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 1: in all that we are and in all that we do.

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Speaker 1: It's the same with prayers. God's got no hands and

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Speaker 1: feet to answer our prayers. So the only way God

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00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 1: can answer those prayers is why people who have got

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00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 1: that away and who could be moved by that power

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00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 1: be moved into the path from the place of that

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Speaker 1: person asking the prayer, or the person who's asking the

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Speaker 1: prayer being hammer to be moved by that power into

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Speaker 1: the path of the person who can help them. I'll

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Speaker 1: just share another little story with you, because it's part

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Speaker 1: of what we're speaking about. I was driving along with

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Speaker 1: Good and Hinginston in the car and I was telling

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Speaker 1: him how I slept with an accident of a bit,

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00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 1: and he said, you sleep with an acupidness, and that's

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Speaker 1: a little bit silly. Why do you do that? That's

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Speaker 1: it one of my holmes burgle to I'm scared of

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00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 1: it's happening, the game and happening, particularly if I'm holding

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Speaker 1: better sleep at night. Tom And he says, Paul, you

486
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 1: who are silly? He says, do you not realize how

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00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 1: well protected you are? Nothing untoward will ever happen to

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Speaker 1: you in life? I thought and tested cancel all my

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00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 1: life insurance, take out extra pension. And then he added,

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00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 1: and I'd never told him this, he said, and even

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00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 1: in your car, and he didn't know that. I'd also

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00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 1: got this fear that I would die in a car

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Speaker 1: accident because my father did, my grandmother did, got the

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00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 1: close friends did. And I hope, Wow, this is wonderful.

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00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 1: Nothing going towards going to help happen to me. So

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Speaker 1: when I arrived at I was thinking about it. So

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00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 1: I sat and I thought, and I said, to the

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Speaker 1: spirit world, that's very nice, all very well for me,

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Speaker 1: But why me and not everybody else. I'm no more important,

500
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 1: I'm no more special than anybody else. And the answer

501
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 1: I got back from the spirit was, we try to

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Speaker 1: do the same for everyone, but we are limited by

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00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 1: you as individuals on how which we can influence you

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00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 1: through the power, so that what the spirit world can

505
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 1: do for me can do for you and everybody else.

506
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 1: If we waken that power and have that relationship with it, well,

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Speaker 1: it's a great story. I'm starting to get teared up.

508
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 1: I grew up going to Catholic school, Catholic never even

509
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 1: now have not developed that relationship with God. And I

510
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 1: got this image that I've had this silent friend walking

511
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 1: in my life by my side the whole time, always here,

512
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 1: always ready, And it really is as simple as just

513
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 1: asking that's right. Sometimes. You know some of the students

514
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 1: and says people you know you seem to be able

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00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 1: to stay out your conscious mind quite easily when you're

516
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 1: working with the spirit world and be able to stay

517
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 1: with the spirit. I said yes, because I'm not doing

518
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 1: anything unnatural. When I'm living my everyday life. I'm experiencing

519
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 1: it not just in my conscious mind, but with my

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00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 1: soul and the ingredients within the soul, so I'm not

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Speaker 1: doing anything different. Thank you for sharing that. Paul, You've

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Speaker 1: been a guest medium on some of our Sunday gatherings

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00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 1: and also some other private demonstrations. Some evidence really seems evidential.

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00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 1: Can you talk a little bit about the evidence that

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00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 1: comes through you see as somebody listening to a contact,

526
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 1: and as the medium, we cannot judge what is good

527
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 1: evidence or not. Again, I'll just give you a little story.

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00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 1: It's one of my favorite ones. I've been seeing this

529
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 1: lady and given as several private sittings. Her daughter was

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00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 1: in the spirit world, and then it's just to bemplshus,

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Speaker 1: my husband is just falling apart. If we can't do

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00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 1: anything with him. Would you see him for me? I said, yes,

533
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 1: I will, and he came. She brought him and because

534
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 1: I've given several sittings already to the wife, I was

535
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 1: like searching for what evidence I can get. Differently, I

536
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 1: was trying to find the most practical evidence, strongest evidence

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00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 1: I could to convenience him. And it was just and

538
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 1: I thought, I'm not succeeding here at all. So I

539
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 1: just said to the daughter, I said, is there something

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00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 1: else you'd like to give before we bring the sitting

541
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 1: to the clothes And she gave me something, and I

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00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:12,319
Speaker 1: said to the father, I said, I want to say

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00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 1: some words from your daughter to you. They're not evidence.

544
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 1: I cannot prove them, but she just simply wants to

545
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 1: say you're the best father in the world and she

546
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 1: wouldn't change you for anything. And he just absolutely broke out.

547
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 1: I turned to the wife. I said, where have I said?

548
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 1: What have I done? She has pulled? You don't realize

549
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 1: the last time we saw her before she killed in

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00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 1: the accident, we told her he wasn't her real father.

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00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 1: And a reply back to him was the best father

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00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,360
Speaker 1: in the world. I wouldn't change you for anything. That

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00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,720
Speaker 1: was their last word, their last conversation. And there's messy.

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00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 1: It's not evidence. And then if you've been listening in

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00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 1: a demonstration, you'd have thought I was just being all

556
00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 1: sweet love and light. Not evident. The father comes to

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00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 1: hurt anything better, you know, at one in a demonstration,

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00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 1: I knew this young girls. She only looked about sixteen

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00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 1: seventeen eighteen the most. And I knew she was going

560
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 1: to have a contact or I wasn't going to force it.

561
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 1: And it was the last contact. And I went to

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00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,839
Speaker 1: her and I said, you've listened to the contacts I've

563
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 1: given this evening. I'm not going to be giving all

564
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 1: that type of information to you. I just want you

565
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 1: to know your father's here. He walked through the front door.

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Speaker 1: He never came back. And it wasn't your fault. Didn't

567
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 1: give her anything else. She didn't need anything else. She

568
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:37,760
Speaker 1: was an absolute tears. The whole room was in tears.

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00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 1: There was nothing else need to be seent. So this

570
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 1: is what we've got to be careful of as teachers,

571
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 1: in this controlling and this limitation of what the spirit

572
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 1: world wants to express. Yes, we do have to give

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00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 1: up techniques and structure to present it in a certain way,

574
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,439
Speaker 1: but really there's got to be that surrender of what

575
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 1: they want to bring and what we incapable of receiving.

576
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 1: They know they know us inside out. Paul, could you

577
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about symbolism. A lot of mediums

578
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:13,399
Speaker 1: use it. A balloon must mean a birthday. Symbology is important,

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00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 1: and there's different types of symbology, but I often see

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00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 1: symbology used as an excuse to cover up being wrong,

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00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 1: you know. So they might say, show you a railway

582
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 1: track and they say, oh, your father works on the

583
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 1: railway lines. No, then it's symbolic then, and they want

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00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 1: to say you've got to stay on track. And you

585
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 1: see the trouble is, you know. Even I do use symbology,

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00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 1: I use it in two ways. One way, they will

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00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 1: sometimes get practical evidence off through a symbolic object, like

588
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:52,319
Speaker 1: they might show me they shown me a joy of

589
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 1: Robinson jam because they wanted to get the name of

590
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 1: Robinson across. I remember being in Italy and I was

591
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:02,439
Speaker 1: given the lady from her husband now sorry, from her father,

592
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:05,320
Speaker 1: and he had been accepted, and then all of a sudden,

593
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 1: I saw this horse, and I could have easily made

594
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 1: the mistake of saying, no, it's a symbol of strength

595
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 1: of your father out at horse, and I didn't. I

596
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 1: said to the translator, what's the word for horse in Italian?

597
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 1: And she said Cavalier. So I said to the recipient,

598
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,839
Speaker 1: your father connected to people by the name of Cavalier,

599
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:30,320
Speaker 1: and she says, that's our family name. So there is symbody,

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00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 1: but it has to be an evidential, practical way. Then

601
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 1: what the spirit world will do for me. Sometimes they

602
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 1: will bring me clairvoyant evidence, which is evidence of the communicator,

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00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:45,400
Speaker 1: which then I can use symboli to lead me into

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00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 1: the message. So saying I gave you a man of

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00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 1: contact from his grandfather, I spoke about the silver coin

606
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 1: that was mint condition in a presentation box that he

607
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 1: had belonged into his grandfather, and then the spirit will

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00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 1: day in which he accepted an acknowledge. Then the spirit

609
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 1: world wanted to use that to lead me into the

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00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 1: message that they'd come to speak and help him about

611
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:13,880
Speaker 1: his financial situations. You've got to be experiencing have a

612
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 1: mind to do this. That will give me some weird

613
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 1: and wonderful ones, you know, they might give you things.

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00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 1: I remember all I could see was I was watching

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00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 1: a movie, King Kong, the film Yeah, and I could

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Speaker 1: see Kingong hanging from the Empire State building and holding

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00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 1: the lady in his hand. And I said that I

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00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 1: wanted somebody hear a lady in the audience here who

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00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 1: links with the name of King. And this lady put

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00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 1: a hand up, and I said, you have an ex

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Speaker 1: boyfriend partner that love it in the spirit world. Yes,

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00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 1: I said, you spent time in New York in my

623
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 1: matter with each other. Yes, he was in the film industry. Yes,

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00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 1: all from that one picture. So that's symbolic for it's

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00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 1: still factual evidence. So there are times, there's quite often

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00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 1: I will get a stained glass. So I've got the

627
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:11,479
Speaker 1: stained glass window from my church, the Good Shepherd, which

628
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 1: is really Jesus with the Lambs, you know, which is

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00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 1: simbilarized in the little children. So sometimes they will give

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00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 1: me there to tell me that there's a child in

631
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 1: the spirit world, a small child, not a miscarriage, but

632
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 1: a child that actually touched the earth that didn't stay.

633
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 1: But every time I have that calm, it doesn't always

634
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 1: mean that, so I have to not presume it's automnatically

635
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 1: going to meet and to other times it could be

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00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 1: purely a stained glass window. It could be simply the

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00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 1: psalm that the good shepherds. So you know you're going

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00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 1: to be capable of having one symbol that means the

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00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 1: same thing every time. I've had two different occasions when

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Speaker 1: they're showing with the picture of Dracula, but I didn't

641
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Speaker 1: give the same evidence. The one was a lady from

642
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:04,720
Speaker 1: Holland and her husband was communicating, and from the image

643
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 1: of draft that I was drawn to two particular points

644
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 1: where Dracula was from and the blood plots on the neck.

645
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 1: So I said, your husband died with blood plotting. Yes,

646
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Speaker 1: I said, your husband also had linksus in Holland to Romania,

647
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 1: and my husband was Romagnian. This is a good time

648
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 1: to take our break, but it's fascinating this language of

649
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 1: the soul and how the spirit world puts pictures into

650
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 1: our minds for evidence that need to be unraveled, so

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Speaker 1: to speak. We'll be back with more stories from Paul

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Speaker 1: Jacobs when we get back. You're listening to Shades of

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Speaker 1: and now more Shandra on the iHeartRadio one Coach to

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Speaker 1: Coach Damn Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades at

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Speaker 1: the Afterlife. I'm Sandra's champlain. You can find out more

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Speaker 1: about our guest at his website medium Paul Jacobs dot com.

670
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Speaker 1: And what a pleasure it is to hear his stories.

671
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 1: So he was just about to tell the second story

672
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 1: when Dracula showed up in his mind giving a medium reading.

673
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 1: Then on another time in Italy I've got this. All

674
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 1: I've got kept seeing was like this movie in Dracula

675
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 1: in his coffee and somebody pretty mistake through his heart.

676
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 1: What the hell am I going to do with this?

677
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:55,319
Speaker 1: I can get nothing else, I said, Roy, who are you?

678
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 1: Where'd you want to go? I've got dad. I know

679
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 1: he was a young man. On the background, I said,

680
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 1: your father's in the spirit world. Yes, I said, your

681
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 1: father died in his sleep in bad with a heart attack. Yes,

682
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:14,319
Speaker 1: I said, your father in some way was involved with films. Yes,

683
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:18,320
Speaker 1: my father worked at the cinema. And then it was

684
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Speaker 1: if I'd got the stake and hammer in my hand,

685
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Speaker 1: and I wanted to start chiseling, I said, an in

686
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 1: your spare time, your father used to make sculptures, and

687
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:30,360
Speaker 1: you've got one that is only half finish that belonged

688
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 1: to him. So you see what you've got to realize.

689
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:37,759
Speaker 1: It is like learning another language, and there is a shorthand.

690
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 1: And I also teach that the spirit world will often

691
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:45,320
Speaker 1: give you as little as possible, to give you as

692
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 1: much as possible. But I understand the point where you

693
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 1: were coming from, So so I want to get across.

694
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 1: The symbology is important, but we can't use it in

695
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 1: this silly way of being a cover up, an excuse

696
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 1: for me be wrong. You know, the spirit world aren't

697
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:05,319
Speaker 1: going to go all that trouble and the difficulty for

698
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,799
Speaker 1: you to manifest this clear void picture just to be

699
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:12,839
Speaker 1: symbolic for personality and character. It doesn't make sense. It's

700
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:15,760
Speaker 1: easier just to feel and sense the personality and character.

701
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 1: And then we've got to just make sure that we're

702
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 1: not too close mind and try and use that symbol

703
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:24,360
Speaker 1: as the same thing every time. I know there's a

704
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 1: lot of people do that. Would I would break that

705
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 1: happif if I got that in my mediumship. I'd want

706
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 1: to PreK that, Paul, we are not all cut out

707
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:35,279
Speaker 1: to be mediums or we just don't want to be.

708
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:38,839
Speaker 1: Can the spirit world use us in our lives in

709
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 1: other ways? But you know, an artist, a musician, a

710
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:46,400
Speaker 1: gardener that you can touch and bring a difference to

711
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 1: somebody's son just as much as the medium. You know,

712
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 1: we're not going to get any extra points when we

713
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 1: get to heaven because we've been a medium. We want

714
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:56,760
Speaker 1: people to be in. You can inspire people from all

715
00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 1: aspects out of life. You know, I can a good

716
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 1: friend of mine. She passed three years ago. She was

717
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 1: ninety nine when she passed, and she was at the

718
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:13,840
Speaker 1: church for over fifty years. She was the church healing receptionist.

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Speaker 1: She was the church treasurer, she was the church organist

720
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:23,279
Speaker 1: after fifty after remer, just before the fifty years, she

721
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 1: says to me, Paul, I'm toyed. Do you think I've

722
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 1: done enough to pay God back for the healing I

723
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 1: had from Gordon? Because when she was forwards, if she

724
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 1: had cancer and she went to the church for healing, yeah,

725
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 1: and Gordon, it's in Gordon Higinson's book. He was doing

726
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 1: a lecture and Marjorie and my friend's name was Marjorie's

727
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 1: sitting on the front row and he says, you see, Marge,

728
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 1: you will never be a media and a fair sort

729
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 1: of like. Didn't like him saying that publicly, but then

730
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 1: he turned to everybody and looked at everybody says, put home.

731
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 1: She does love God so much, so, you know, she

732
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 1: served the spirit world probably far more than many mediums

733
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 1: did by being the healing receptionist, you know, by being

734
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 1: the organist at the church, by looking after all the

735
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 1: finances through the church, helping the fund raising events, she's

736
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 1: not less as spiritual than the medium. She's probably more

737
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 1: because she gave it freely and she did it in

738
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:31,959
Speaker 1: thanks for what she'd received from God through the power

739
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:34,840
Speaker 1: of the spirit in the healing. Oh, I feel the

740
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 1: same way, just what I'm doing, And yes, I like

741
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:39,359
Speaker 1: to dabble and take courses, but I love this. I

742
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:42,320
Speaker 1: feel so much joy and I get to serve and share.

743
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 1: I love to share. So what you're doing, Sundra, it's

744
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:49,839
Speaker 1: just as important as any medium, because you know it

745
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,839
Speaker 1: is through people like you or people who organize more

746
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 1: practical courses everywhere. Without you, we couldn't do my work,

747
00:46:57,719 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 1: you know. So you know that we will be able

748
00:46:59,920 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 1: to do anything without meadenship and experiences, our knowledge, our understanding.

749
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 1: If we haven't got people like you, that helps us

750
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:10,280
Speaker 1: a greas opportunities for us to be able to express

751
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:14,280
Speaker 1: it and share and touch other people. And in return,

752
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:16,720
Speaker 1: I get so much joy and love and it's great

753
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 1: and I can still explore what I want to explore

754
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 1: instead of the beginning talking about training people in awareness first,

755
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:26,320
Speaker 1: and that's how youth started. That's right, you know, And

756
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 1: you know sometimes there's no there's no need to keep

757
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 1: having to be with a teacher for everything all the time,

758
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:35,480
Speaker 1: you know. So in my early time, you know, I

759
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:40,319
Speaker 1: sat with a small group of four other people for this,

760
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 1: just going within my own soul. And then I would

761
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 1: then do it every day on my own. And then

762
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 1: it was about twelve months and then Gordon Higgins and

763
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 1: said you're now ready to begin, you know so and

764
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:56,279
Speaker 1: then even even with courses, you know that there are

765
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 1: people who come to the hearth within the college and

766
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:00,839
Speaker 1: they come quite ready, you know, all times a year

767
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 1: and I'll say to them, you know, well what have

768
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:07,800
Speaker 1: you done since you came last time? Nothing? I said, well,

769
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:10,239
Speaker 1: it's going to be starting from the beginning a game.

770
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 1: And a lot of people come on courses, then what

771
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:17,799
Speaker 1: you've given them they've done nothing with in the in

772
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:21,880
Speaker 1: between time, so them coming back, you know, And sometimes

773
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 1: you can't do too many courses. I only used to

774
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 1: do two courses a year. But what I would do

775
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 1: is take where I'd learned from that course back to

776
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 1: my personal development circle and then go back six months

777
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:40,400
Speaker 1: later to see how I'd incorporated it and what stage

778
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 1: was next for me or what was my weakness is

779
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:46,759
Speaker 1: what was my strengths? And then Also, you know, I'm

780
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:49,920
Speaker 1: not going to be the right teacher for everybody. No teachers, okay,

781
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 1: you're not. Every students can be the right for us.

782
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:55,719
Speaker 1: Every teacher has got something to offer. But I think

783
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 1: in the beginning, yes, you maybe need to experience one

784
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 1: or two a few different one us. But I think

785
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 1: they've got to come a point where if you keep

786
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 1: running to too many different teachers, do too many courses

787
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:11,799
Speaker 1: with too many different teachers, you end up in a

788
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 1: confused state and miss you know. It's like if I

789
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:17,439
Speaker 1: might be at the college in St. Stead and often

790
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:21,440
Speaker 1: nar take the advanced groups or the professional groups and mediums,

791
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:24,439
Speaker 1: and I'll say, you know, that's not good what you're doing.

792
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 1: And yes, for the last time we came here, we

793
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,400
Speaker 1: were told to do that. And I said, well, in

794
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:31,920
Speaker 1: my eyes, it's not good. It's helps to you. You're

795
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 1: going to make up your own mind. I said this

796
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:37,799
Speaker 1: way to try my way, take it home, digest it,

797
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 1: and then decide whether my way willin acial mediumship or

798
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:43,799
Speaker 1: or you want to go back to what you were

799
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 1: given last time. It's your choice. But then I always

800
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:49,399
Speaker 1: as we don't just choose the easy option. We could

801
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 1: have struggle we're going to have difficult even as a

802
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:55,920
Speaker 1: professional medium for thirty years. I'll still have my contacts,

803
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:58,400
Speaker 1: I'll struggle with I'll still have a city. I might

804
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 1: still have ant city, and I think scrape the barrel.

805
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 1: I might have Wow, that was fantastic, Yeah, that was okay.

806
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 1: And there might even be the odd one. I'm saying, Look,

807
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 1: it's obviously it's not working. I'm not happy with it,

808
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 1: or it's obvious you're not happy. Let's call it today.

809
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:15,920
Speaker 1: Are the arrange another time for you or the arrange

810
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:18,400
Speaker 1: one with the colleague, And let's be honest, you know,

811
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 1: because with this there's no guarantee. We never know from

812
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 1: one content one sitting, one demonstration to the next on

813
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:29,959
Speaker 1: to how it's going to be, you know, and there's

814
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 1: so many ingredients. You know, not all the communicators are

815
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 1: good communicators. I never know from one to the next

816
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 1: heir receptive I'm going to be at that time, and

817
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 1: also the recipient, all the audience can make a difference

818
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 1: as well. So I always say for it to really

819
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 1: work well, it needs all three to play their part.

820
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 1: I know it's difficult for many of us to fully

821
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 1: comprehend and understand that in reality. The physical is the illusion.

822
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 1: The spirit is the reality, and that is eternal. And

823
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:07,880
Speaker 1: if within our own souls and consciousness we can grasp

824
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:12,760
Speaker 1: and live that reality, those difficulties and pain, whether it's grieve,

825
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:17,920
Speaker 1: health or this material life that affect us would not

826
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:21,240
Speaker 1: have the effect if we could accept that reality, because

827
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:24,840
Speaker 1: if we look at this life journal in the earthly world,

828
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:27,799
Speaker 1: that it is only a grain of sound in the

829
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:32,279
Speaker 1: desert to our total experience of eternal life and expression

830
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 1: of the Spirit. And if we could live that reality,

831
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 1: except that reality, then you would find that this life,

832
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:42,720
Speaker 1: whatever came out our way, we'd always have the strength

833
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 1: and the power to carry us, move us and live

834
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:50,920
Speaker 1: and enjoy whatever has happened to us, the experience of

835
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 1: life and the expression of the Spirit and the eternal

836
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 1: soul and behalf of all of us. I want to

837
00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 1: thank Paul Jacobs for sharing these words with us today.

838
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 1: I'm really left with the picture of God or the

839
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:09,840
Speaker 1: Source or this light and having this relationship no matter

840
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:13,400
Speaker 1: where we are on the journey, if we are fifty

841
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:17,799
Speaker 1: six years, in ninety five years, in twenty five years

842
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:21,359
Speaker 1: in we're at the perfect place exactly where we need

843
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:26,280
Speaker 1: to be. Whatever your passion is if it's fueled with love,

844
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 1: making a difference for others following your joy, you can't

845
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 1: go wrong. And I do believe we are supported, I

846
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 1: said earlier. If you're interested in mediumship, we do the

847
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 1: classes online and it's kind of nice in the privacy

848
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 1: of your own home to sit in a virtual development circle.

849
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:49,440
Speaker 1: But the spirit world works with us just the same.

850
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:52,759
Speaker 1: We don't need to be physically together. So if you

851
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Speaker 1: want to join us anytime, you're welcome to join our circle.

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Speaker 1: Just go to we Don't Die dot com. So link

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Speaker 1: you can click on the top of the page that

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Speaker 1: says at home courses and you can join one that's

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Speaker 1: in progress or wait till the next one starts. Can

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Speaker 1: I ask for all of us that we slow down,

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Speaker 1: that we give ourselves a pat on the back. We're

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Speaker 1: just where we need to be, That we look around,

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Speaker 1: that we get present to the miraculous life we are living.

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Speaker 1: That we spend some time being grateful for it. And

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Speaker 1: like Paul said earlier, he spent a year sitting in

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Speaker 1: a development circle, not for mediumship, but just for self awareness.

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Speaker 1: Spend some time alone with your own soul in that

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Speaker 1: quiet the voice you hear in your mind, maybe the

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Speaker 1: voice of guidance from your soul or from a loved one.

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Speaker 1: But we are supported, we are loved, and we really matter.

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Speaker 1: So on behalf of myself, your loved ones, your spirit team.

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Speaker 1: You are amazing, You are deeply loved. You are so special,

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Speaker 1: and you are one of a kind. I'm Sandra Champlain

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Speaker 1: and I'd like to thank you for listening to Shades

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Speaker 1: of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast

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Speaker 1: AM Paranormal Podcast Network. And if you like this episode

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Speaker 1: of Shades of the Afterlife, wait until you hear the

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Speaker 1: next one. Thank you for listening to the iHeartRadio and

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Speaker 1: Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network.