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Speaker 1: twenty eighth, two eighteen, season fourteen, episode number thirty two.
Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of The Break. We arrived from
Speaker 1: Forts Center at the Star Cowboys are practicing today here.
Speaker 1: It's the final practice of training camp twenty eighteen. UM,
Speaker 1: and so we're gonna we're gonna take some time today
Speaker 1: to break down training camp. Look up the big picture
Speaker 1: of training camp. Um, and we've got I got my
Speaker 1: normal cast here. We're gonna talk a little bit about
Speaker 1: this team. How's everybody doing today? Great? This is like
Speaker 1: this is like the best view right here. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: is the best view. We're at the fifty yard line
Speaker 1: of Forts Center and a team is warming up and
Speaker 1: stretching right now. So we'll be talking to you a
Speaker 1: lot about what's going on out here. But at the
Speaker 1: same time, we want to talk about the big picture
Speaker 1: of training camp. Heading into training camp, the writers for
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys dot Com put together a series of articles
Speaker 1: that they call twenty Questions, and it hit on twenty
Speaker 1: of the most important questions I guess for the Cowboys
Speaker 1: heading into training camp and into the season that the
Speaker 1: Cowboys were going to have to answer good or bad
Speaker 1: one way or the other. We're gonna find out and
Speaker 1: I don't know if some of these questions can even
Speaker 1: be answered until we get to December. However, we're gonna
Speaker 1: try to day to see if we will learn anything
Speaker 1: more during training camp that helps us answer these twenty questions.
Speaker 1: So let's get started. I'll start with the first question.
Speaker 1: Let's start with number twenty. The question was who has
Speaker 1: higher expectations, Randy Gregory or David Irving. Which is interesting
Speaker 1: because at the time when you pose this question now
Speaker 1: before the suspension, Yeah, yeah, well no, we know about
Speaker 1: the suspension at that point when they answer this, yes,
Speaker 1: they hear about they knew about the suspension at that time. However,
Speaker 1: most people probably felt at that time like, let's just
Speaker 1: wait and see what Randy Gregory is like. We have
Speaker 1: not seen him on a football field in a long time.
Speaker 1: That's exactly where we are right now. Let's just wait
Speaker 1: and see. So has anything changed for you as far
Speaker 1: as those two in the expectations again knowing also we
Speaker 1: didn't know that David Everyone wasn't going to be a
Speaker 1: camp at all at that point. I'll tell you this.
Speaker 1: I mean, the change for me is that now I
Speaker 1: do have somewhat of an expectation. Before as far as
Speaker 1: Randy Gregory goes, I didn't really have any expectations. I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 1: well let's just see how he goes and what happens.
Speaker 1: And clearly he came in here looking like a beast
Speaker 1: and he's doing great so far. So now that gave
Speaker 1: me some higher expectations. It's I forgot we answered that question.
Speaker 1: And it's insane how much can change in six weeks,
Speaker 1: Because I remember I wrote like anything Randy Gregory can
Speaker 1: do is a bonus. Honestly, Like my expectations for him
Speaker 1: are that low between not trusting his availability and honestly,
Speaker 1: if we're being real, not trusting that we know that
Speaker 1: he's actually that good of a player. Like it's people
Speaker 1: act like he was like DeMarcus Ware when he left
Speaker 1: this team. That's not true, like he had three sacks
Speaker 1: in his rookie preseason. Injuries limited him for basically half
Speaker 1: of his rookie year, and it took him the rest
Speaker 1: of it to catch back up to speed. And then
Speaker 1: he had a sack in a meaningless game in Week
Speaker 1: seventeen of twenty sixteen when nobody important was even playing,
Speaker 1: Like that's all we had seen from him. So for
Speaker 1: him to show up and look as good as he has, like,
Speaker 1: I still can't wrap my round my head around how
Speaker 1: crazy it is, how good he looks, how much progress
Speaker 1: he's made to the point where, yeah, like it's hard
Speaker 1: not to have crazy expectations that he could be a
Speaker 1: really great player if he can get on the field. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'll ask this, who's gonna play more games this year?
Speaker 1: Randy Gregor David Irvy. Good freaking question and Randy running
Speaker 1: out here right now. It's funny because we talked about
Speaker 1: I mean, we talked about this yesterday and again for
Speaker 1: the third day in a row. You know, Cowboys officials
Speaker 1: are say they have no reason to suspect that Randy
Speaker 1: Gregory has any trouble coming his way. But as Jerry
Speaker 1: Jones pointed out this morning, like that's just probably going
Speaker 1: to be a thing that they wake up thinking about
Speaker 1: every day that Randy's here, whether I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: whether whether there's trouble coming or whether there's not the
Speaker 1: potential for it to be, there is always going to
Speaker 1: be around. You know. I had talked to Stephen Jones
Speaker 1: yesterday for just a little bit and exactly what you
Speaker 1: had said earlier in the show yesterday a day that
Speaker 1: they're always the last to know. You mean, we think
Speaker 1: the Cowboys the front office is going to know, and yeah,
Speaker 1: they might hear about something the day before the announcement,
Speaker 1: but the NFL league office knows things that's that's happening
Speaker 1: seemingly before the Cowboys do. So yeah, that everyone over
Speaker 1: here is saying, you know, we know what we know,
Speaker 1: but doesn't necessarily mean that there's nothing going on. But
Speaker 1: that's exactly and again, even if nothing is going on,
Speaker 1: that fear is just gonna be around Randy Gregory for
Speaker 1: the foreseeable future. That's just something that you have to
Speaker 1: be mindful of. And so I don't know, everything I'm
Speaker 1: looking at suggests that day Randy Gregory is going to
Speaker 1: be a big part of this season, and it would
Speaker 1: be big for the Cowboys. If he is David Irving,
Speaker 1: I haven't even thought about him in three or four weeks. Yeah,
Speaker 1: who will be the backup quarterback for this season? You
Speaker 1: guys At the time that the conversation was really about
Speaker 1: Ken Mike White actually step up and surpass Cooper Rush.
Speaker 1: But my question for you guys is is Cooper Rush
Speaker 1: your backup? Is Mike White your backup? Or is this
Speaker 1: someone else that will be your backup? At this point
Speaker 1: based on what we've seen, Cooper Rush is your backup quarterback.
Speaker 1: I said it then, and it's true today, and it
Speaker 1: would be true next week as well. Okay, Cooper Rush
Speaker 1: is the backup quarterback. Cooper Rush is not next in
Speaker 1: line to start though. That's that's that's the Okay. He
Speaker 1: will be the backup quarterback on a game day, He'll
Speaker 1: finish your game. If he has to start another game,
Speaker 1: that won't be Cooper Rush. And then I don't think
Speaker 1: I can get on board with that A lot like
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen. You know, he gave Brandon Weeden his very
Speaker 1: brief shot, and then you did a trade to bring
Speaker 1: a guy in here. I don't think I don't think
Speaker 1: this team would feel good about Cooper Rush needing to
Speaker 1: start more than a game or two, right, Um, But again,
Speaker 1: I don't think And that's you know. I was kind
Speaker 1: of going back and forth with fans here this morning
Speaker 1: because Jason Garrett said this morning within the last half
Speaker 1: hour that he feels good about Cooper Rush as his backup,
Speaker 1: which people predictably lost their minds because Cooper Rush looked
Speaker 1: terrible on Sunday night. Yeah, but again, I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: sorry if what's going to say though? No, well not
Speaker 1: only what else is he gonna say? But again, what
Speaker 1: else do you want? Like, I'm sorry if I sound
Speaker 1: like the company man right now, but like, what do
Speaker 1: you want? Do you want to go give up a
Speaker 1: draft pick for Teddy Bridgewater? Why? This is a team
Speaker 1: that expects Dak to be available for sixteen games and
Speaker 1: I do too, And so I don't care. I really
Speaker 1: don't unless you know, we'll deal with that when it happens.
Speaker 1: And if you need to go get Teddy Bridgewater in
Speaker 1: October because Dak has something happened to him, knock on wood,
Speaker 1: worry about that, then why do I care? Right now?
Speaker 1: You know what I would have you said? What do
Speaker 1: you want? What I think should have happened here. And
Speaker 1: it's not like I was screaming for it too much
Speaker 1: in the summer, so it's hard to come back now
Speaker 1: and say it. But I do think that they need
Speaker 1: a little bit more veteran experience in the room. Not
Speaker 1: anyone that's going to challenge him or he has to
Speaker 1: look over his shoulder every interception or every bad play,
Speaker 1: but just somebody that can he can walk off of
Speaker 1: the sidelines too. And you know, maybe it's a m
Speaker 1: account type of player. And I know there's fourteen of them,
Speaker 1: so one of those guys, but um, you know, just
Speaker 1: somebody like that. But at this point, I don't know
Speaker 1: if you can go get that guy for the record
Speaker 1: for the fifth time, I agree with everything you just said,
Speaker 1: but they don't. They and he feels good about it,
Speaker 1: said this morning they like having a young room and
Speaker 1: that's what they want. Again. I think Dak's gonna start
Speaker 1: sixteen games year or so. I don't really care. It's
Speaker 1: a moot point. Who is the bounce back candidate, the
Speaker 1: biggest bounce back candidate on this team. You guys threw
Speaker 1: out Dan Bailey, and I think it was you Dave
Speaker 1: that also throughout Cole Beasley as as your guy, Um,
Speaker 1: who would you guys say, is the guy that you
Speaker 1: think will have the biggest comeback season based upon what
Speaker 1: they did last year relative to what you expect him
Speaker 1: to do this year? If you can promise me, Randy God,
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, you can't be better than that. You
Speaker 1: can promise me he's gonna play. I mean, and I'm
Speaker 1: the guy that I hate to put those expectations on
Speaker 1: the guy, but like, double digit sacks doesn't sound that
Speaker 1: crazy based on what we've seen. So I mean, with
Speaker 1: what you saw the other nine in him, if he
Speaker 1: were able to play every game, like, how could he
Speaker 1: not get to the quarterback once a game? I mean,
Speaker 1: I know that that doesn't happen, but well it does.
Speaker 1: Actually some guys that get more than that on an
Speaker 1: average tank did it last year? Yeah, that's true, he
Speaker 1: got he was right there. Um, you know some other
Speaker 1: candidates for that. Dan Bailey was kind of what the
Speaker 1: question was designed to be around, and that's what they're
Speaker 1: hoping that he's the biggest comeback player. But you know,
Speaker 1: you ask a lot of guys. I'm looking at Tavon
Speaker 1: Austin catch a little swing pass around for him. You know,
Speaker 1: he's looking to have a comeback season had some injuries.
Speaker 1: Terrence Williams would be one. Cole Beasley, uh would would
Speaker 1: be another. Um you know, in their own weird way.
Speaker 1: Tyrn Smith probably wants to have a bounce back year,
Speaker 1: even though he made the Pro Bowl, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: but wants to play a little bit more than he
Speaker 1: did or better than he did. I don't think that
Speaker 1: for another team. I don't think Jazz makes this team
Speaker 1: at all. But uh, we we're actually gonna shoot a
Speaker 1: video today that's gonna be posted hopefully tomorrow where we're
Speaker 1: gonna break down the roster and we had to kind
Speaker 1: of go through it a little bit, and surprisingly we
Speaker 1: didn't even We didn't even want to waste any time
Speaker 1: on Chaz. And I think he's gonna get it. He's
Speaker 1: gonna get a cut and we're not even gonna discuss it.
Speaker 1: He hasn't done anything. Byron, Yeah, I thought him. I
Speaker 1: thought about that. I think it's it's a good answer.
Speaker 1: Although you know, when I think of bounce back, I mean,
Speaker 1: Byron wasn't great last year, but he started and was
Speaker 1: productive for you. He wasn't great, I know, But when
Speaker 1: I think of like Cole Beasley has to be disappointed
Speaker 1: with the year that he had Damn Bailey again like
Speaker 1: most accurate history. But I will say this Byron to
Speaker 1: me is more like a career bounce back, because I
Speaker 1: think he was all but washed up as a safety
Speaker 1: from the standpoint when you start thinking about a second contract,
Speaker 1: I don't know that that the Cowboys were really thinking,
Speaker 1: Hey did we definitely got to do a second contract
Speaker 1: with this guy. That doesn't mean somebody else doesn't pick
Speaker 1: him up, but I don't think he was due for
Speaker 1: big payday. However, if he plays this season as he's
Speaker 1: played during training camp, then he will now create a
Speaker 1: conversation for himself, either here or somewhere else for somebody
Speaker 1: to sign him as a cornerback. I don't know if
Speaker 1: this is fair for bounce back, but you know, Zekiel
Speaker 1: Elliott is obviously entering this season with a chip on
Speaker 1: his shoulder, and we will get to that one. Okay,
Speaker 1: I don't know you did the twenty question. I know,
Speaker 1: I don't remember. I'm surprising you guys with all of
Speaker 1: these aren't kind of yeah, they're all relevant right now?
Speaker 1: Yeah they are, they are. So let's move on. We
Speaker 1: talked a little about Dan Bailey, But the next question
Speaker 1: is the special Will special teams see problems due to
Speaker 1: all the defections you lost Rich Pasacchia, you lost key
Speaker 1: players like Keith Smith and Kyle Wilbur on your special teams.
Speaker 1: You now have Keith O'Quinn running that group. Do you
Speaker 1: think that special teams? Has there been anything that you've
Speaker 1: seen so far to suggest that special teams takes a hit.
Speaker 1: I'll answer that I don't think that you can ever
Speaker 1: judge as special teams in the preseason. I always say
Speaker 1: that when fans go crazy because a punt return comes
Speaker 1: back for a touchdown, they're just trying to get by
Speaker 1: right now. They're trying to figure out who goes where.
Speaker 1: It's kind of chaotic for them. I think they're going
Speaker 1: to be pretty good on special teams because they're very deep.
Speaker 1: What position are the deepest that right now, it seems
Speaker 1: like linebacker. When you're a deepest linebacker, you're gonna be
Speaker 1: good on special teams. And like we've said before, they've
Speaker 1: got a running back probably gonna make the team in
Speaker 1: Boscarborough who's got a linebacker type of body. He'll play
Speaker 1: some as well. I think they're gonna be okay there.
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna be better than ok I mean,
Speaker 1: the three specialists have looked really good throughout camp. I mean,
Speaker 1: Bailey had had his moment where everything looked bad, but
Speaker 1: he's been rock solid ever since. And then yeah, I
Speaker 1: think of guys like Damian Wilson, Cavan Frasier Vett, and Jamazola.
Speaker 1: Wally is another one like those three guys. Keith O
Speaker 1: Quinn's been here forever. I mean, it's not like he's
Speaker 1: new to this thing. I think they're gonna be fine now.
Speaker 1: Of all these questions, there are a few that stand
Speaker 1: out as questions that we can really sink our teeth
Speaker 1: into that I don't know that we have answers for yet,
Speaker 1: but they're worth discussions. This is one of them at
Speaker 1: number sixteen. How will the tight end position sort out?
Speaker 1: You've got Jeff Swain, You've got Blake jaw When, you've
Speaker 1: got Dalton Schultz, You've got Rico Gathers, And they all
Speaker 1: have something about them that they all have certain people
Speaker 1: that are pulling for them, I guess is a good
Speaker 1: way to put it. And they have different unique things
Speaker 1: about each one of them. Did you have something to say. Yeah,
Speaker 1: for the record, and I think they put this list
Speaker 1: together some of the writers. I remember saying to Rob,
Speaker 1: how is this number sixteen? Like? How is this like
Speaker 1: number four? Yeah? I thought this would have been a
Speaker 1: lot higher on the list, Uh, not knowing that that
Speaker 1: we would get to this point in trading camp and
Speaker 1: nobody would separate themselves at all. Yeah, but uh, but
Speaker 1: I do this sounds funny coming at number sixteen, because
Speaker 1: I can't imagine fifteen more questions more pressing than this.
Speaker 1: Um but um, I don't know where I was that there.
Speaker 1: You were you risk the cos you honestly you weren't here.
Speaker 1: I don't remember where you were, but you weren't here.
Speaker 1: I don't know you were on. So has it sorted out?
Speaker 1: Give me, give me count? Has It's fair for the
Speaker 1: fan that's just kind of coming into this thing and
Speaker 1: trying to figure out what's going on for the season.
Speaker 1: Who's gonna be your starter? Who do you expect to play?
Speaker 1: What roles? How do you expect this thing to playoff? Okay,
Speaker 1: clearly Swim is gonna be your starter. Absolutely, Jeff Swam
Speaker 1: is your starting tight end. He's gonna be He's gonna
Speaker 1: be the tight end on the field when it's eleven personnel,
Speaker 1: I would guess he's gonna be your first guy in
Speaker 1: Blake Jarwin's your two. He'll be there when it's twelve.
Speaker 1: Those are the only I mean, swam is the only
Speaker 1: one that I remotely trust Block in all honesty, but
Speaker 1: Jarwin would be after that. Dalton Schultz. I'm intrigued because
Speaker 1: this front office doesn't cut fourth round draft picks. But
Speaker 1: he's had his ups and downs. I don't I've been underwhelmed.
Speaker 1: I don't know that he's a guy that they're going
Speaker 1: to trust to do those types of jobs when when
Speaker 1: it's on the line. But honestly, that's all I feel
Speaker 1: comfortable saying. Right, I don't know what to tell you
Speaker 1: about Rico honestly, like and I said last week, like
Speaker 1: I've said all I can say about it, Like they're
Speaker 1: gonna make a decision this weekend what they're gonna do
Speaker 1: with him. We'll see if he's on the team. If
Speaker 1: he is, I would bet that he has a maddeningly
Speaker 1: inconsistent role on this team. Like I can't imagine he'll
Speaker 1: be active that often if he's here, or if he
Speaker 1: is active. I can't imagine that he's going to have
Speaker 1: this huge role. I think Jarwin and Swim are the
Speaker 1: two that they're gonna lean on to be their guys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think you know, five receivers in four tight ends
Speaker 1: is what it is looking like here. I just I
Speaker 1: just well, I say that, is that what you want
Speaker 1: or what you actually think they'll do? No, I actually
Speaker 1: I changed my mind. I don't think they'll cut Deonte Thompson.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't either. I don't think they will.
Speaker 1: I think they'll cut Lance Lenore um by that. But
Speaker 1: but ten, that's that's ten for that position right there,
Speaker 1: or for those two do positions. And you know I've
Speaker 1: said all along, I think jamaz Ola Waldi could help
Speaker 1: them a little bit from an h back tight end
Speaker 1: spot that maybe you didn't have to go along there.
Speaker 1: But they don't want to cut fourth round picks. That
Speaker 1: just that just shows that they made a mistake. They
Speaker 1: don't want to do it. They're gonna have a hard
Speaker 1: time cutting Tapper for some reason, so and they're gonna
Speaker 1: have not that hard of a time cutting Chaz Green.
Speaker 1: But they don't like to cut draft pick, especially if
Speaker 1: the rookies um, I don't think Dalton Schultz had done
Speaker 1: anything to make me say we got to keep him.
Speaker 1: But you know, he'll develop just like Rico will. You
Speaker 1: know what I find disappointing is how much we heard
Speaker 1: Stephen Jones and the Jones and all of them talk
Speaker 1: about Lake Jarwayne. They spoke about him so highly right before,
Speaker 1: you know, we started the whole training camp and as
Speaker 1: of right now, I mean I came in thinking or
Speaker 1: expecting to see something that maybe we just haven't seen
Speaker 1: before or like notice on Blake jarwayn as far as
Speaker 1: practice and stuff, and I don't know, I don't know
Speaker 1: where it was coming from because I haven't seen anything
Speaker 1: to give me that confidence to, like, you know what,
Speaker 1: I'm betting all my money on Jarwin. I apologize in advance.
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to go down this rabbit hole, but
Speaker 1: it reminds me a lot of safety. Like they love
Speaker 1: Xavier Woods, they are optimistic and they hope that he's
Speaker 1: gonna be this great player. There's no proof that I've
Speaker 1: seen that that is true. Yet I hope like hell
Speaker 1: it is, but there's no proof of that saying I mean,
Speaker 1: she's absolutely right, Like they raved about Jarwin oftentimes was
Speaker 1: like the first name out of somebody's mouth when you
Speaker 1: asked him about tight end before Jeff Swain. And I'm
Speaker 1: not dogging the guy. I don't think he's been bad,
Speaker 1: but he I mean, I'm not telling people to draft
Speaker 1: him in fantasy football, you know, like, oh, I'm serious,
Speaker 1: Like he I haven't seen anything to suggest that he's
Speaker 1: gonna have this just blow up year. He's fortunate because
Speaker 1: Swain hasn't been that great. He's been solid, but it
Speaker 1: hasn't been that great. And the other guys haven't really
Speaker 1: done anything because if they had, Like he's he's a
Speaker 1: guy you could cut. I mean what I mean, what
Speaker 1: does Blake Jarwin you know, do now he'd be pretty
Speaker 1: pissed because the Cowboys have cost him a Super Bowl
Speaker 1: ring because the Eagles Eagles for trying to get him.
Speaker 1: You don't know that he would have made it all
Speaker 1: the way to the Super Bowl. I mean, he might
Speaker 1: have gotten cut. No, but it was kind of later
Speaker 1: in the year, right, and you have to it was
Speaker 1: like November. You have to keep him for three weeks,
Speaker 1: so he would have get your point, you know, he
Speaker 1: probably would have made it. I think I think at
Speaker 1: the end of the day. What's happening right now is
Speaker 1: fans and everybody's gonna have to adapt to the idea
Speaker 1: that the Cowboys are now. Like probably I would guess
Speaker 1: twenty two twenty four teams in the NFL where they're
Speaker 1: tight end is just a guy. He's not a guy
Speaker 1: that's an intricate part of their offense. He's gonna catch
Speaker 1: a couple passes who he'll be asked to block, who'll
Speaker 1: have some different things that he'll be asked to do,
Speaker 1: but they're not gonna have This is just not that
Speaker 1: we've been used to sing that with Winton. You're just
Speaker 1: not gonna see that none of these tight ends or
Speaker 1: that caliber tight end where he's gonna be out there
Speaker 1: every play and you're gonna he's gonna be an intricate
Speaker 1: part of what you do offensively. I'll tell you this
Speaker 1: is on Saturday or Sunday, a twenty eight year old
Speaker 1: tight end who's not special but has been through some
Speaker 1: wars is gonna be available. I would try to go
Speaker 1: get that guy, like not any He's not gonna be special.
Speaker 1: You're not gonna be excited when you hear that they
Speaker 1: added him, but he has knows how to block and
Speaker 1: do that type of stuff. I don't think they'll do
Speaker 1: that because I think they like these guys, But that's
Speaker 1: what I would do. Yeah, honestly, it would be a
Speaker 1: guy like a like a James Hannah. Like if you
Speaker 1: told me there was a guy like a James Hanna
Speaker 1: out there, nothing special can block, and that's more important
Speaker 1: than anybody can block. That's the kind of guy would
Speaker 1: go get. He's not in the league anymore. But I
Speaker 1: always think of Dante Rosario. They had him here, they
Speaker 1: had five tight ends, and they traded him because they
Speaker 1: had they were good. So all right, we're gonna go
Speaker 1: ahead and take our first break. We'll come right back
Speaker 1: when we get back. We're gonna ask answer the question
Speaker 1: who's gonna be the first time pro bowler of this group.
Speaker 1: I throw out names like Keto, Cole, Lyle Collins, Jalen Smith.
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Speaker 1: the Star, Cowboys are finishing their final training camp practice
Speaker 1: as you guys have seen right there on the on
Speaker 1: the video, we got the running backs doing going through
Speaker 1: some drills right there with Gary Brown, the running backs coach.
Speaker 1: We'll have we'll pop back and forth between looking at
Speaker 1: Nick and Dave and Amber uh and then looking at
Speaker 1: the players. I'm sure you guys would prefer to see Nick,
Speaker 1: Amber and Dave, but we'll show you, guys lots of
Speaker 1: things that are going on out here at all there. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: and we'll show you a lot of things that are
Speaker 1: going on out here today. You can see these players
Speaker 1: getting ready for their game this Thursdays right there. I
Speaker 1: remember Mickey rhoda column and said, get to know number
Speaker 1: forty three Joel Lanning. That's the last anyone's ever as
Speaker 1: as Kent, Yeah, it was. Yeah, hasn't hasn't done much
Speaker 1: at all. I mean, but you know what, he seems
Speaker 1: like a guy that could be a practice squad type
Speaker 1: guy because he can do I just haven't seen any
Speaker 1: of them. You're not wrong, and it is one of
Speaker 1: those guys. This is bizarre for this team, but all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, linebackers a place where it's hard to
Speaker 1: get time. It's true, I mean it used to be
Speaker 1: like you would have three linebackers that had a chance
Speaker 1: to make the team. Go ahead and find me one.
Speaker 1: That ain't the way it works when you got as
Speaker 1: much talent as this team does right now. I mean,
Speaker 1: this defense has done such a such, you know, good
Speaker 1: things in the preseason, and the fact that they have
Speaker 1: not their first round pick a middle linebacker hasn't done
Speaker 1: anything really other than a few snaps in the first game.
Speaker 1: But you know, I doubt he was gonna play this week.
Speaker 1: He's not Jason Barrett, so he did already say it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you were asking about first time pro bowler. Yes, that's
Speaker 1: gonna be our next That's why we vote for. We
Speaker 1: just saw Jalen Smith on screen. I thought you're gonna
Speaker 1: say Joe Thomas, like, dang, what happened to Sean? Well,
Speaker 1: Sean stopped there. I'm saying, no, that would be my vote,
Speaker 1: Jalen Smith. I think who my vote was? Yeah, who
Speaker 1: did I say? Derek? I don't recall, I don't I
Speaker 1: wasn't looking at your answers. I was just looking at
Speaker 1: the questions. I think I said Cheeto honestly, and actually
Speaker 1: Cheeto was a popular answer. I do remember there were
Speaker 1: several people that mentioned right, there were two or three
Speaker 1: that that mentioned Cheeto. Um, and I think that would
Speaker 1: have been a popular As a matter of fact, I
Speaker 1: think Dave mentioned. Dave actually said two he said Cheeto,
Speaker 1: and Jordan he said CO MVP. I guess co Co
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl. That's not encouraging. No, Actually, you know something.
Speaker 1: I take that back. That was for another question. That
Speaker 1: was for question we're gonna get too later about camping VP,
Speaker 1: And you said to both of them, but go ahead.
Speaker 1: Chris Jones is a good pick there Byron Jones. Maybe, Um,
Speaker 1: I think I think I said Chris Jones. I'm on
Speaker 1: a I don't know. I'm on a crusade to get
Speaker 1: that guy out of the Pro Bowl. Le Collins. While
Speaker 1: Collins is one of the ones I was mentioned, I
Speaker 1: have no I'm gonna do it again. I can't count
Speaker 1: on them to be there for me. But if it
Speaker 1: is is freaking Red Grandy Gregory, Mike God. I cannot
Speaker 1: say enough about how blown away Way I am by
Speaker 1: that he's been fantastic RG three. Yeah, I think I'm
Speaker 1: with Amber, though I think Jalen Smith is going to
Speaker 1: be the guy that I think ends up turning enough
Speaker 1: heads to get to the Pro Bowl this year, because
Speaker 1: I do think what we've seen from him, I don't
Speaker 1: think it's a fluke. I think that guy's back to
Speaker 1: being what everybody expected him to be before the injury.
Speaker 1: And uh, and I think he'll play like that. This
Speaker 1: great story. No, no, Jalen and Gregory one, right, I've
Speaker 1: got one. I answered this last year and it didn't
Speaker 1: work out. But but I, uh, what about Jeff Heath.
Speaker 1: If Jeff Heath makes a few few more plays, then
Speaker 1: he's done. I mean, he's usually three or four turnovers
Speaker 1: a year. If he can get to five or six turnovers,
Speaker 1: there's a chance there's It's not like a ton of safeties. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think Jeff Heath, I think the thing about safety,
Speaker 1: and I think the thing about Jeff particularly. I think
Speaker 1: the way he gets to the Pro Bowl is through him.
Speaker 1: It's through the team having success and him making some
Speaker 1: places as a part of that. So you remember when
Speaker 1: what was that? I don't you'll know the year you
Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about Ken Hamlin, When Ken Hamlon
Speaker 1: made the Pro Bowl. I think of it in a
Speaker 1: similar way. Yeah, I think he made the Pro Bowl
Speaker 1: because their team is good. That year, the defense played
Speaker 1: pretty well and he was pretty good. He made a
Speaker 1: couple of plays for him, and so he got into
Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl. I think it's the exact same way.
Speaker 1: If the team is good, I think Jeff will have
Speaker 1: a chance. If the team is not good, then I
Speaker 1: don't think he has a shotter. And if your interceptions
Speaker 1: go on Sunday night in football and Monday night all
Speaker 1: the that's even better, right, don't do those noon games.
Speaker 1: I will never shut up if Jeff Heath makes a
Speaker 1: Pro Bow. I don't get you. Just get a goat
Speaker 1: tattooed to your forehead? Thank you? Ever going to shut out? On?
Speaker 1: Would you? Would your forehead? Now? Come on? Maybe it's
Speaker 1: maybe my back or something, Yeah, like the small of
Speaker 1: your back now, I was thinking, like my shoulder blade? Yeah,
Speaker 1: what Jesus Pro Bowl for the Cowboys. Really we're gonna
Speaker 1: go there. I bet you can actually go through a
Speaker 1: natire show without mentioning him. Number fourteen. Here was the
Speaker 1: question most impactful new coach. I really don't know that
Speaker 1: there's much of a discussion, but let's talk about Christoph
Speaker 1: shad uh Sanjay Lyle, and Paul Alexander because I do
Speaker 1: think you can make the argument this wide receiver group
Speaker 1: has been better technically than they've been in the past. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, Tavon Austin said that, you know, this is
Speaker 1: the best camp he's ever had. He feels more like
Speaker 1: a wide receiver than ever before because of Sanjay Lyle
Speaker 1: Cole Beasley has made a few comments like that too,
Speaker 1: like it's back to basics and stuff. So really, you know,
Speaker 1: they're really taking shots to Derek Dooley. But um, either way,
Speaker 1: and maybe shots were due maybe I don't know, maybe,
Speaker 1: but I mean, they're in that room. I think I
Speaker 1: think it's not a slam dunk for Christopher Shard because
Speaker 1: these other guys, Paul Alexander's having to do some work now,
Speaker 1: He's having to you know, get Connor Williams ready, to
Speaker 1: get Joe Looney ready, So it's not as easy for
Speaker 1: him either. So I mean, the guy that's really have
Speaker 1: to do the most work is Doug nust Meyer, the
Speaker 1: tight end coach. At what is he has? What's been
Speaker 1: the result? I mean, I think part of this question
Speaker 1: has to be our guys playing above what you thought
Speaker 1: they were. Because Chris Richard, you can tell you whatever
Speaker 1: you want to say about him getting a lot of
Speaker 1: the press. The fact is bron Jones is playing out
Speaker 1: of his mind, right, And that was a lot about
Speaker 1: him saying this guy is a better corner than he
Speaker 1: will be a safety, right, So so you have to
Speaker 1: look at the results. I don't know that the tight
Speaker 1: Ends have done enough in training camp for me to
Speaker 1: really point him out as as a goal coaching job.
Speaker 1: What was the wording of the question, I'm sorry, best,
Speaker 1: I think it was best additional the best new coach, Yeah,
Speaker 1: assistant coach, Well, no one else. We're not begging anybody
Speaker 1: else to be the next head coach for the team.
Speaker 1: You made definitely week one of training yet who you're
Speaker 1: preken to us? Hey, go look at the comments on
Speaker 1: that video of him laying into the defense on Sunday
Speaker 1: night that it was pretty interesting. I mean it was something.
Speaker 1: It wasn't not interesting. All right. Let's be question number thirteen,
Speaker 1: most challenging quarterback opponent, and this is one that goes
Speaker 1: a little bigger than I normally have been talking. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Zach Martin is going through some practice. I'm sorry, he's
Speaker 1: not doing a ton. This isn't a padded practice, but
Speaker 1: it's still encouraging though to see him actually doing You're
Speaker 1: still more than a week away from the first game.
Speaker 1: I did not expect that he would even be running
Speaker 1: around doing that kind of stuff, So hard about it.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, Um, Actually, there's Travis out there too. Travis
Speaker 1: is he's not He didn't have on a helmet, but
Speaker 1: he was out there. Yeah, he's not doing football stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, he might be working on snapping with Zach,
Speaker 1: but he's no. Just to not to give anybody the
Speaker 1: idea that he's like doing for no, not at all. Yeah. Okay,
Speaker 1: so let's move on question number What was that question
Speaker 1: number thirteen most challenging quarterback opponent? Some of the names
Speaker 1: that got thrown out Drew Brees, Matt Ryan, Russell, Wilson,
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz and you those strike you as I mean,
Speaker 1: there's an obvious answer when you talk about the history
Speaker 1: of the NFL and and the last several years the
Speaker 1: top quarterbacks in the league. Obviously, Breese in a different
Speaker 1: category than these other guys, But year statistically, Breeze was
Speaker 1: not the quarterback that he'd been in the past, mainly
Speaker 1: because they found a running game, a really really good
Speaker 1: running game. But all that being said, what quarterback most
Speaker 1: concerned yet the Cowboys will face this season. It's an
Speaker 1: interesting question because like quarterback or team. Because if I
Speaker 1: had to pick, if I had to pick right now,
Speaker 1: and I hate saying this as a New Orleanian, if
Speaker 1: I had to make a Super Bowl pick, I think
Speaker 1: the Atlanta Falcons are going back to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: I just think they're nasty. They're talented everywhere, and Matt
Speaker 1: Ryan's obviously an MVP caliber quarterback. But as far as
Speaker 1: like a game like the one game the Cowboys got
Speaker 1: to play him, nobody scares me more than Russell Wilson,
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, Like, and I know the
Speaker 1: Seahawks don't have any talent, like they're so their roster
Speaker 1: is so much worse than it was when they were
Speaker 1: in those Super Bowls. But he's just a beast, and
Speaker 1: he's that type of quarterback that he can make life
Speaker 1: miserable for you, and I think he probably will make
Speaker 1: life for a miserable. I was gonna say, Russell any
Speaker 1: in my mind as I'm thinking of guys, I'm like, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: sure they're not gonna I thought you. I thought you
Speaker 1: did a good job of saying that the team that
Speaker 1: scares you the most out of that is Atlanta. The
Speaker 1: quarterback who's the best of that group is Drew brees
Speaker 1: Um you know historically. And then the guy the one
Speaker 1: quarterback who could just beat you by himself because he
Speaker 1: doesn't have a lot of talent, as Russell Wilson. So
Speaker 1: we're probably missing some guys in there. But actually the
Speaker 1: one I would throw out would be Carson Wentz. And
Speaker 1: the reason why is because people forget how he was
Speaker 1: playing before he got hurt. That dude was doing a
Speaker 1: lot of different things. He was moving around, he was
Speaker 1: running a little bit, he was throwing some lasers. I
Speaker 1: mean like he was really playing at a high level.
Speaker 1: If he comes back healthy and resumes where he was,
Speaker 1: I think he becomes the guy that you really look at, say,
Speaker 1: can do some real damns toe there. I mean, there's
Speaker 1: no doubt. And I'm sorry Cowboys fans, but I would
Speaker 1: have voted for him for MVP if he hadn't gotten hurt.
Speaker 1: He had to vote. He's well that too, but he's
Speaker 1: got the I mean, he's got some Russell Wilson to
Speaker 1: him too, Like he's he's not a statue. That's what
Speaker 1: I was gonna say is if this Dallas pass rush
Speaker 1: is as good as it looks here, that's great against
Speaker 1: guys like Drew Brees and Matt Ryan. You can fight
Speaker 1: those type of quarterbacks with a pass rush like that.
Speaker 1: It's the mobile guys like Russell Wilson and to a degree,
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz. Yeah, the thing with Winz is it's such
Speaker 1: a big caveat he's not cleared for contact right now.
Speaker 1: And also the Cowboys aren't going to play him for
Speaker 1: the first time until November, so which by then he's
Speaker 1: had a chance to come back get healthy being back
Speaker 1: on them absolutely, and I would imagine he will be
Speaker 1: and that'll be a hell of a challenge. But this
Speaker 1: team plays Russell Wilson in a month, So watch out
Speaker 1: for Andrew Luck at the end of the year two. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I do. I think that he's I think he could
Speaker 1: be comeback player of the Year. Yeah, I really do. Good.
Speaker 1: So you know, he's not a guy that's really in
Speaker 1: the radar. But by the time, you know, Cowboys don't
Speaker 1: play him week two, they play him like week sixteen
Speaker 1: or fifteen or something like that, he'll be He'll be
Speaker 1: fine by then, and he's you know when we've seen
Speaker 1: when he's healthy and ready to go, if he's got
Speaker 1: guys around him. You know what, I'm kind of surprised
Speaker 1: nobody throughout was Deshaun Watson because again, you look at
Speaker 1: him before he got hurt, that offense was moving the
Speaker 1: ball and they were putting up some big points and
Speaker 1: he was responsible for it. If he comes back healthy,
Speaker 1: that's another guy that I think is really really gonna
Speaker 1: be a tough out of the Cowboys. That game is
Speaker 1: gonna be amazing. Yeah, he will be. I think. I
Speaker 1: think Sunday night, yeah, you gotta win that game. I
Speaker 1: think just for the Texas pride thing, He's just ya,
Speaker 1: It's it's gonna be crazy. It's gonna be began as
Speaker 1: in Houston that weekend. You gotta win that game, I think.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know how. I mean, they're
Speaker 1: a good team. They're good, but you know, this is
Speaker 1: a good football team too. I'm not saying they're not.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying Houston is a really good team. I'm
Speaker 1: glad that we're having this conversation because I don't I
Speaker 1: don't pay particularly close attention to the Texans, but I
Speaker 1: don't feel like if Deshaun Watson is getting an iota
Speaker 1: of the scrutiny that Dak got following an amazing rookie year,
Speaker 1: and Watson played six games like I would like to
Speaker 1: see a little more, especially coming off a big time end.
Speaker 1: I think the world of him. I think he's gonna
Speaker 1: be a great quarterback. But I'm not just ready to
Speaker 1: lump him in there with MVP cow He's had nothing
Speaker 1: to scrutinize yet. I mean, he was, he was like
Speaker 1: the most electrifying rookie quarterback in recent memory, right, but
Speaker 1: the Dak was too. And then but even I mean,
Speaker 1: just wait for them to go nine. If they hit
Speaker 1: nine wins, then the Shaun will give it. He just
Speaker 1: hasn't had anything happen yet. I think there and I know,
Speaker 1: I mean, Dak took the Cowboys within a game in
Speaker 1: the NFC title Game. I get it, it was a
Speaker 1: bigger stage. But why, I mean, I feel like people
Speaker 1: are just kind of assuming Watson's gonna pick up where
Speaker 1: he left. I think part of the reason why the
Speaker 1: maybe people I think part of the reason for the
Speaker 1: difference though, is because I think there were a lot
Speaker 1: of people that looked at that looked at Dak's rookie
Speaker 1: year and said a lot of his success was due
Speaker 1: to Zeke, not necessarily due to him. He did some things,
Speaker 1: but I don't think people gave him his due, and
Speaker 1: so I think there are a lot of people that
Speaker 1: were naysayers going into a second year. I don't know
Speaker 1: that the same thing happened in Houston because forever they
Speaker 1: had had an offense that was just is kind of
Speaker 1: fledgling along, and all of a sudden, Sean comes in
Speaker 1: and it's moving like it's actually has life, And so
Speaker 1: I think that was probably the difference. You're right after
Speaker 1: the first years, when defenses have an opportunity to see
Speaker 1: what you like to do, they try to take away
Speaker 1: those things. See if you can adjust to it, all
Speaker 1: those things he'll have to deal with. If he is
Speaker 1: what we think he is, Deshaun Watson, then that my
Speaker 1: super Bowl is like Houston verse Atlanta on it. I mean,
Speaker 1: they if he's as good as people think he might be,
Speaker 1: then they're this guy's the limit for them. If they
Speaker 1: can keep their defensive guy. They got the talent everywhere. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: They've got some talent on that team. If they can
Speaker 1: stay healthy, all right, let's move on. Let's go to
Speaker 1: a question number twelve. Can Xavier Woods hold on to
Speaker 1: the free safety starting spot? I mean the answers yes,
Speaker 1: but do any of us feel good about that? Serious?
Speaker 1: And I feel terrible because, like, I like Xavierwoods as
Speaker 1: a guy. He's definitely not a bad player. But how
Speaker 1: can you sit here on August twenty eighth and feel
Speaker 1: good about the safety spot. Jerry Jones said this morning
Speaker 1: that he thinks he'll be back for a week two,
Speaker 1: but again, he is yet to start a game and
Speaker 1: in the regular season in the NFL at safety. Like,
Speaker 1: it's not like this established veteran it's coming back. It's like, oh,
Speaker 1: we'll get Xavier Woods back and we'll get to see
Speaker 1: if he's a good player. Like that's what we're saying
Speaker 1: right now. So yeah, I don't like it. Can we
Speaker 1: take a break for a second to look at the um?
Speaker 1: What what they're doing here on the field? H Randy
Speaker 1: Gregory started the game right on Sunday night, I believe so,
Speaker 1: and opposite A D. Law And then here we're seeing
Speaker 1: the first team offense and defense here. Um it's going
Speaker 1: to pan over. Their taco is actually on the right end.
Speaker 1: Spot and Gregory like was standing in the huddle like
Speaker 1: he was about to do something. But I don't know
Speaker 1: if that that means anything or what they're working on
Speaker 1: here yet, but um, you know he had been doing stuff.
Speaker 1: If there's Zach Martin practicing right here, like he's definitely practicing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so this is this is a great Yeah, this is
Speaker 1: a return to practice for for Zach Martin. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: expect him to be in there. Yeah, right, is impressive. Um,
Speaker 1: let's move on to the next question. Can the offensive
Speaker 1: line return to form? Talking speaking about Zach Martin? Uh,
Speaker 1: you last year they had some really issues and really
Speaker 1: their issues came from depth. We thought those had been
Speaker 1: out answered with the addition of Cameron Fleming Marcus Martin,
Speaker 1: and I think right now there's probably questions. Obviously Marcus
Speaker 1: Martin's now on IR, but I don't know if Cam
Speaker 1: Fleming still feels like the get that she thought he was.
Speaker 1: Maybe when the Cowboys signed him, what do you guys
Speaker 1: started the thoughts about the depth of the offensive line.
Speaker 1: Wanted him to be better than Chads Greene, and he
Speaker 1: has been, so you know that is a step up.
Speaker 1: But when we answer that question and we had no idea.
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone had ever heard of g BS
Speaker 1: or whatever. Yeah, yeah, good point. I don't you know.
Speaker 1: That's changes everything. It does. It does change their things.
Speaker 1: As for the other things, I mean, Zach Martin was
Speaker 1: just scare. They look like they've overcome that. Tyrant Smith,
Speaker 1: he's you know, he's dealing with a few things. I
Speaker 1: still think this is or I still think he's gonna
Speaker 1: be okay uh to play. And Lael Layla might be
Speaker 1: the toughest player on the football team. I'm serious, Like,
Speaker 1: he gets banged up all the time, he never misses anything.
Speaker 1: He's a tough son of a gun. Um, I definitely don't.
Speaker 1: I don't feel like the Cowboys just have like these
Speaker 1: three studley tackles. Like I haven't seen anything from Cam
Speaker 1: Fleming that makes me just completely forget about Atlanta last year.
Speaker 1: But he has been better than Chaz Green. So that's
Speaker 1: a step in the right direction. And you're right, hopefully.
Speaker 1: I this is ironic because I say this as Cam
Speaker 1: Fleming is currently your first team left tackle. Tyrn's not
Speaker 1: practicing it looks like um, but hopefully he won't have
Speaker 1: to play a lot. I don't know that that is
Speaker 1: a realistic hope, but hopefully they're rotating the second team
Speaker 1: defensive end or defensive line. You see Brian Price here
Speaker 1: and Randy Gregory's on the right end spot. So all right,
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Speaker 1: Star Cowboys having their final training camp practice here and
Speaker 1: we're talking about it. We're talking about our top twenty questions.
Speaker 1: These are the twenty questions that the Cowboys writers had
Speaker 1: heading into training camp, and we've gone through half of
Speaker 1: them so far. Don't know that we have a lot
Speaker 1: of great answers all the way around, but we're trying
Speaker 1: to give you as much inside we as we've been
Speaker 1: able to gather from training camp. How's just coming called
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Speaker 1: All right, let's get back into our questions. We can
Speaker 1: see if we could run through these top ten. The
Speaker 1: tenth question is most impactful rookie, Layton Vanderesh, Connor Williams,
Speaker 1: Michael Gallup. I think those are really the only three
Speaker 1: that are worth mentioning in this category. What do you
Speaker 1: guys say? I think Dorian's arm is going to contribute
Speaker 1: a little bit more than Vanderesh okay at this point
Speaker 1: and look more than those other two. But but to
Speaker 1: answer the question, I will say Connor Williams. I've said
Speaker 1: Connor Williams all through the preseason. I'm not changing that
Speaker 1: answer now, but I do I would caution people against
Speaker 1: like and I get it. I understand why people would
Speaker 1: write Laton Vanderesh off because rookies need playing time and
Speaker 1: he's missed a lot of it. But Malie Collins didn't
Speaker 1: get a ton of playing time and was a productive rookie.
Speaker 1: And honestly, none of the Cowboys rookie defensive backs had
Speaker 1: much of a training camp last year, and they all
Speaker 1: went on to play pretty significant roles. I mean, it
Speaker 1: is a it is a seventeen week season. The fact
Speaker 1: that Laton vander Esh can't play right now doesn't mean
Speaker 1: he's going to be on the shelf the entire year.
Speaker 1: Are you at all concerned? Know that he was a
Speaker 1: guy who had injury problems in college and now in
Speaker 1: his first training camp piece he spends a lot of time.
Speaker 1: That was the rumor with that was it was like
Speaker 1: his spine and this is growing. I mean, no, I'm
Speaker 1: not ball players get hurt. Yeah, I understand that. I'm
Speaker 1: just saying though, it's it's a very similar thing in
Speaker 1: my mind to what you look at a guy like
Speaker 1: Sean Lee there. I think there's a certain thing certain
Speaker 1: players that for whatever reason, they just their bodies can't
Speaker 1: take the punishment, the regular punishment. I got to see
Speaker 1: a lot more before I want to label him that way,
Speaker 1: because I mean, honestly, I think again, I know rookies
Speaker 1: need to play, I get it, but you're talking about
Speaker 1: an insanely talented player like the Cowboys. As much as
Speaker 1: they would like for him to be out there, they
Speaker 1: want him to be available in September and October, and
Speaker 1: that's part of it, Like they're being careful with when
Speaker 1: they bring him back. I think, based on what you
Speaker 1: know now, would you have traded up to get Darlin James, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I wanted to do that. I wanted to
Speaker 1: do that on a day right, Yeah, but I would,
Speaker 1: But you don't. You don't have Michael Callop because you
Speaker 1: have to go third to do it, and that that's
Speaker 1: as complicated because I really like Michael Gallop so that
Speaker 1: I'm really impressed from with what I'm seeing from him
Speaker 1: so far. I expected him. I expected him to be good,
Speaker 1: but I guess not to be as far in advance.
Speaker 1: You know, you when brookies come in usually takes them
Speaker 1: a little bit to get a custom or used to things.
Speaker 1: And he, to me, he has figured it out. He
Speaker 1: knows how to bounce back. When he makes a mistake,
Speaker 1: he comes back and does even better or tries to
Speaker 1: do even better. And I think the relationship between him
Speaker 1: and Dak has been really good. And when you see
Speaker 1: them working on working during the off season together and
Speaker 1: all that and putting in that extra time. It's it
Speaker 1: shows off and it translates on the field. So I
Speaker 1: was just looking at the defense. So you're you're starting
Speaker 1: safety right now as Tyree Robinson. That's kind of that's
Speaker 1: kind of where this team is right now, Tyree Robinson,
Speaker 1: who looks apart, tall kid from Oregon, which Jerry Jones
Speaker 1: said this morning he expects cave On fres be fine
Speaker 1: for the season opener, But that in itself is I mean,
Speaker 1: it just doesn't sound like a good situation to have
Speaker 1: your third safety and special teams ace be the guy
Speaker 1: you're counting on come the game day. I refuse, I refuse,
Speaker 1: refuse to think that this is it, that that something. No, No,
Speaker 1: there has to be something and not just the guy
Speaker 1: that gets cut this weekend. And it's just like, why
Speaker 1: does there have to be something? Because Robinson that's what
Speaker 1: start happen. He's made zero plays, but but there's no
Speaker 1: I just I find it really really hard to believe
Speaker 1: that the Cowboys do feel confident with what they have
Speaker 1: in Like Davier Woods came on Phrasier and and I'm
Speaker 1: not saying they suck or anything. You know, I like
Speaker 1: that both of them, and I think they're good players.
Speaker 1: But again, when we talk about that that um high
Speaker 1: level and the guy you would expect that safety that
Speaker 1: they're just not there yet because they haven't been proven
Speaker 1: on the field. So let me be clear. Are you
Speaker 1: saying that even if Xavier Woods was healthy and Frasier
Speaker 1: was healthy, completely healthy, you still think that they don't
Speaker 1: feel good about their safety positions that what you're saying.
Speaker 1: Are you saying right now, based upon what's out there,
Speaker 1: they shouldn't feel safety. I mean, they shouldn't feel feel
Speaker 1: good about that. I'm saying that even if Xavier comes
Speaker 1: back Quake two and he's good to go, still I
Speaker 1: think that down the row is just it's just not
Speaker 1: really gonna turn out how they're expecting it to be.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm just not one hundred percent confident
Speaker 1: about the position right now in the guys that they
Speaker 1: I'll answer it this way. I think that if if
Speaker 1: if Woods came back healthy and he's been playing okay,
Speaker 1: and Frasier comes back healthy, and Seattle met the demand
Speaker 1: that the Cowboys were asking, the Cowboys have a price
Speaker 1: in Seattle, has a price of Seattle came to them,
Speaker 1: came down to them. That's two catches now for Deontay
Speaker 1: Thompson team. Yeah he is. That's if that happened, I
Speaker 1: think the Cowboy would still do it regardless of what
Speaker 1: Frasier gives you, what what Woods gives you, which I agree.
Speaker 1: I think we all kind of agree there. I just
Speaker 1: I don't know that the Cowboys feel like if they
Speaker 1: have all three of those guys healthy, I mean they
Speaker 1: win in this far saying that's who we feel comfortable with.
Speaker 1: I don't know that they that anything has changed from
Speaker 1: that standpoint if those if those guys are healthy, that's
Speaker 1: this team has had six months to do something and
Speaker 1: they don't. They don't want to. They think they're fine,
Speaker 1: and Xavier Woods is supposed to be back by week two.
Speaker 1: They think they can make do with Cavon, Frasier and Xavier.
Speaker 1: Like I they'll probably add a guy this weekend. Like
Speaker 1: I don't think they're gonna do anything significant and safety.
Speaker 1: I think it would have happened by now, telling what
Speaker 1: ninety four changes a lot of things. That's yeah, if
Speaker 1: you can get him. Look at ninety Randy Gregory and
Speaker 1: Jalen Smith are just like bomb rushing the passer right now,
Speaker 1: Like that's and they're gonna say stuff like that. They're
Speaker 1: gonna be like, this pass rush can make any safety
Speaker 1: look good. But but but if you've got that those
Speaker 1: guys rushing the passer and at that level, it changes
Speaker 1: what you need the safety, right And I mean if
Speaker 1: you even throw out the Earl Thomas stuff, like if
Speaker 1: you even want to talk about it, it's gonna take
Speaker 1: multiple weeks of Earl Thomas being willing to miss game
Speaker 1: checks before Seattle's gonna budge on that they're not relenting
Speaker 1: on that. Literally, the season starting changes nothing, because the
Speaker 1: whole thing comes down to whether Earl Thomas is willing
Speaker 1: to give up his salary. And until the Seahawks see
Speaker 1: proof that he is, they're not going to change their minds.
Speaker 1: So forget about that until at least like week three
Speaker 1: or four. Yea. So this is what it is. I
Speaker 1: really don't think it's going to change on a significant
Speaker 1: level in the next month or so. And not only that, Nick,
Speaker 1: you mentioned the pass rush, but also when they look
Speaker 1: up their corner if they get the production out of
Speaker 1: those cornerbacks that they think they're gonna get, then they
Speaker 1: really think about the fact that, hey, we think we
Speaker 1: can leave those guys on a island by themselves sometimes,
Speaker 1: and so it does change again what you need at
Speaker 1: safety when you have a pass rush and you have
Speaker 1: really good corners, if you're looking to have a good defense.
Speaker 1: But when you look at Seattle had a ton of
Speaker 1: pass rush, they had really good corners, and they had
Speaker 1: even better safeties, and they were one of the best
Speaker 1: defenses in the history of the NFL. Really And you know, okay,
Speaker 1: star practice, you still want to cut him to you
Speaker 1: said you didn't think they were gonna cut him. That's right. Sorry, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think that they want to cut him. And
Speaker 1: we've said this all along. Don Deonte Thompson just gives
Speaker 1: you something that no one else has from a speed
Speaker 1: element like that. And I think, you know, Lance lan Or,
Speaker 1: it's just one of those situations where he's been really
Speaker 1: rock solid. Other than punt returning, he's been a rock
Speaker 1: solid at receiver. But I don't think that gets you
Speaker 1: on the team. If if you're just solid, you have
Speaker 1: to do something that stands out. Yep, Okay, give me
Speaker 1: your camp MVP, uh Man MVP. Some of the names
Speaker 1: that were thrown out were Cheeto Bay interesting. Jihad Ward
Speaker 1: was Mickey's pick for for Camp MVP. I think Lindsay
Speaker 1: was the one that said tackle Charlton, which is not
Speaker 1: a bad pick. Um, Dave, you said Cheeto and Jeoid
Speaker 1: would be your cot your co MVP. See pretty good
Speaker 1: about one of those. What would you guys? What would
Speaker 1: you guys say? Now? Jack Martin is the guy we pick.
Speaker 1: That's it's it all goes back to the curve. Like
Speaker 1: when he's been healthy. Nobody's been better day after day
Speaker 1: than Zack Martin. But a couple of names that jump out.
Speaker 1: Byron Jones playing a new position has been phenomenal way
Speaker 1: more often than he hasn't been. Tavon Austin was good,
Speaker 1: and Kavon Austin, Cole Beasley, Jalen Smith just day after
Speaker 1: day of really impressing and then God call me crazy.
Speaker 1: Randy Gregory for the two weeks that he's been out there,
Speaker 1: he's been awesome. Joe Thomas was really good because they
Speaker 1: didn't they started out not practicing. Shawn Lee and Joe
Speaker 1: was in there and they really didn't miss a beat
Speaker 1: on defense, which is something we're not used to seeing
Speaker 1: with Shaun Lee's out of it. So I thought Joe
Speaker 1: Thomas got some votes on our top ten list as well.
Speaker 1: All Right, the Tyrn Smith, he's the guy that just
Speaker 1: because of my thoughts and you know, I've always been
Speaker 1: worried even since last year injury wise, that has been
Speaker 1: concerning to me, and the fact that yes, he's being
Speaker 1: a little banked up right now and here and there,
Speaker 1: but from what I've seen, he's still one of the
Speaker 1: most powerful guys here on the whole team, and it's
Speaker 1: amazing when you see him play and at the level
Speaker 1: that he plays. So anyways, based on my thoughts on
Speaker 1: him and injury wise and all that, just what I've
Speaker 1: seen from him at practice, I would name him as
Speaker 1: one of my top ones. All Right, I'm gonna skip
Speaker 1: through some of these questions because we've kind of already
Speaker 1: talked about some of them to Jalen Smith, Tavon, Austin
Speaker 1: d Law. I want to get to the top three
Speaker 1: questions and see if we can get these in. Number
Speaker 1: three was do the Cowboys need a number one wide
Speaker 1: receiver based on what you've seen during training camp in preseason,
Speaker 1: do you think are you buying into the concept that
Speaker 1: they can roll with having a lot of receivers that
Speaker 1: are just kind of all at the same level, rather
Speaker 1: than having one that is much better than the rest.
Speaker 1: I really do, I really I haven't seen anything at
Speaker 1: this training camp to dissuade me that this strategy can work,
Speaker 1: because I am we didn't even throw him out there
Speaker 1: for MVP. I'm so impressed with Ezekiel Elliott. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: haven't seen him playing in the preseason. I don't give
Speaker 1: a flip. He has looked awesome. I know I could
Speaker 1: have said something. I wasn't sure he's been He looks
Speaker 1: like he is ready, which how can you even take
Speaker 1: a step up from being one of the best backs
Speaker 1: in the league. But I really think he's gonna take
Speaker 1: a step and I hope this coaching staff is willing
Speaker 1: to use him as creatively as you see with guys
Speaker 1: like Levion Bell, because he can do that. Somebody, though,
Speaker 1: is gonna have to force their hand. It's gonna have
Speaker 1: to make the defense play a little bit, play on
Speaker 1: us with them. If they just go standard bass and
Speaker 1: I got this guy, and you got this guy, and
Speaker 1: we don't have to really worry about this player. It
Speaker 1: could be it could be problematic because you can't sta
Speaker 1: stack the box when you do things like that. So
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's if it's one particular guy,
Speaker 1: but somebody when they're out there is gonna have to
Speaker 1: scare them. And I don't know who that's gonna be.
Speaker 1: I haven't seen it from Herns, but he's got to
Speaker 1: do some more things Verle. Yeah, I mean, honestly, it's
Speaker 1: one practice, but I mean Deonte Thompson has got to
Speaker 1: be able to do something like that because Bryce Butler
Speaker 1: at times could scare the defense because he could get
Speaker 1: by them. They just wouldn't throw it a lot. On
Speaker 1: two of the three preseason games we've seeing Michael Gallop
Speaker 1: down Phil. One of them was a touchdown. One of
Speaker 1: them was a little bit off, but it had the potential.
Speaker 1: He had the guy beat. I think Michael Gallop is
Speaker 1: a guy that maybe feels a role for you like that.
Speaker 1: I don't know why I keep forgetting him when I
Speaker 1: think in receivers, I just don't. And he's been the
Speaker 1: best one. Yeah. Between between the six of them that
Speaker 1: I think they'll carry, they'll they will get the job done.
Speaker 1: When combined with Zeke, I mean I have confidences and
Speaker 1: even take away Zeke if just even with Ron Smith
Speaker 1: coming in us, let's not take away no, no, obviously
Speaker 1: obviously no. But you think here's the thing a few
Speaker 1: months ago, let me explain. A few months ago, I
Speaker 1: think we talked about this and I'm like, oh, you
Speaker 1: need a number one wide receiver. That was my answer.
Speaker 1: But that was with the mentality of you know, me
Speaker 1: thinking of wearing off Zeke can throughout the game and
Speaker 1: maybe going downhill a little bit if you have him
Speaker 1: so much out there and you're using him constantly over
Speaker 1: and over. But when I say takeaway and seek, when
Speaker 1: you look at the backup spot that you can rotate
Speaker 1: him too, and like a certain scenarios you throw in.
Speaker 1: Rod Smith is the guy that has been doing amazing.
Speaker 1: He's doing a great job. So that's what I basically
Speaker 1: what I'm trying to say. You got Rod Smith too
Speaker 1: that can help in there, and the running game can
Speaker 1: keep being really good even when z comes off the field.
Speaker 1: All Right, there's question number two. Who's under more pressure,
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott or Jason Garrett. Garrett We've had We went
Speaker 1: on a point counterpoint on this, Dave and I did
Speaker 1: so I said it was Garrett and you say, Dad,
Speaker 1: give me some reasons. My reason is is that I
Speaker 1: just feel like, you know, the pressure that Dak is
Speaker 1: under states to get a new contract has been proven
Speaker 1: that you do not have to have a winning record
Speaker 1: to to to get paid. I mean, he could be
Speaker 1: pretty good and he's still gonna get paid. And if
Speaker 1: this team doesn't go to the NFC Championship game, I
Speaker 1: don't think Jason Garrett's the coach next year. So I
Speaker 1: don't think the seat can get any hotter for him
Speaker 1: as a coach. Here I go grading on a scale again,
Speaker 1: But you know, obviously we're coaching this team is Jason
Speaker 1: Garrett's lifelong dream and nobody, nobody's more like bread for
Speaker 1: it than he is. But he's made a ton of
Speaker 1: money and has gotten seven years coaching this team. And
Speaker 1: if he gets fired, he'll be an offensive coordinator or
Speaker 1: a quarterbacks coach in the league in a week, Dak Prescott,
Speaker 1: he could be the face of this franchise for the
Speaker 1: next decade and a perennial Pro bowler. If this goes
Speaker 1: the right way, or if this season doesn't, he Cowboys
Speaker 1: could be looking to replace him in eight months. And
Speaker 1: that's just I think that's a different kind of pressure.
Speaker 1: Like I really, Dak is at a fork in the
Speaker 1: road in his career, Like Jason Garrett's gonna be fine
Speaker 1: in the grand scheme of things, even if the Cowboys
Speaker 1: fire him. But this could be the difference between Dak
Speaker 1: being the face of the Cowboys for an entire generation
Speaker 1: of fans or a guy that we talk about in
Speaker 1: five years as like, man, remember the Dak era. That's
Speaker 1: that was crazy, you know. So I just I think
Speaker 1: it's a different kind of pressure. I don't necessarily agree
Speaker 1: with you, but I think that was well put with
Speaker 1: what you said about Dak. I mean, you're you're right
Speaker 1: about you know, it is what Garrett's gonna get, what
Speaker 1: would he would do and all that kind of stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but that makes sense what you explained. But but and
Speaker 1: I get what y'all are saying, though, I mean, not
Speaker 1: the aftermath. None of that happens next at the moment
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys and the team. And honestly, I wrote Dak,
Speaker 1: but in that regard, you're probably right. Like I mean,
Speaker 1: the it's gonna get it's gonna be uncomfortable for Jason
Speaker 1: Garrett if this team doesn't perform well way more so
Speaker 1: than Dak if he had to guess, eight and eight,
Speaker 1: nine and seven is where this team has lived, you know,
Speaker 1: for for a while. If that happens, I think Dak's
Speaker 1: the quarterback next year. I don't think Jason it's the coach.
Speaker 1: It's a good point, and it's a good point, and
Speaker 1: that's kind of what we've seen from this team this
Speaker 1: year and other years. All right, let's get to the
Speaker 1: final question. This one is an easy one, but a
Speaker 1: hard one at the same time. Do the Cowboys make
Speaker 1: the playoffs? As I just said eight and eight, nine
Speaker 1: and seven, I think they. I think they do. I
Speaker 1: think they do make the playoffs. Travis Frederick injury is
Speaker 1: really big, I answered, I would answered that before that.
Speaker 1: I think this team can go ten and six, and
Speaker 1: it's it's gonna be tough, but I think that they
Speaker 1: What they do best is they run the football. They
Speaker 1: got the best player on the field most of the
Speaker 1: time when Zeke's out there. They can run the ball.
Speaker 1: That keeps you in every game. And I think this
Speaker 1: defense will fly around enough and make a little bit
Speaker 1: more plays. Yeah, I think they have a chance to
Speaker 1: make it. I think they do it. Ten and six
Speaker 1: I absolutely think they have a chance to make it.
Speaker 1: And I said this before training camp. Obviously a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff has happened that I couldn't have foreseen, but
Speaker 1: I you know, the defense has looked a lot better
Speaker 1: than I expected, you know, Michael Gallup. A lot of
Speaker 1: stuff comes to but I haven't seen anything that convinces
Speaker 1: me that this team is drastically different than I thought.
Speaker 1: And I think they're gonna be good. I think they're
Speaker 1: gonna finish with a winning record. I think the NFC
Speaker 1: is strong. I mean, the Rams, the NFC East is
Speaker 1: just the strong, the Vikings, the Eagles. I just there's
Speaker 1: there's so many the Saints, the Falcons, the Panthers, there's
Speaker 1: so many teams that have good squads. I just I
Speaker 1: don't think they're gonna make it. I think, but I
Speaker 1: think it's it's not gonna because they're bad. I just
Speaker 1: think there's only so many spots. You don't even throw
Speaker 1: in the best quarterback in the Aaron Rodders. The conference
Speaker 1: is stacked, and I think the Cowboys are gonna be
Speaker 1: a good team, but there's only so many spots to
Speaker 1: go around. I'll be I won't be surprised if they
Speaker 1: make the playoffs. I just right now in August, I
Speaker 1: don't think they will. Yeah, I think they have the
Speaker 1: capability and the ability to make the playoffs. They They're
Speaker 1: a good team, they really are. They have a lot
Speaker 1: of really good guys. Now what I'm missing is seeing
Speaker 1: it all come together and seeing what's going to happen
Speaker 1: with the line, With the changes that have occurred injury wise,
Speaker 1: Travis being out, can Joe Looney handle a whole season
Speaker 1: taking care of the center position. I don't know. I
Speaker 1: still need to see all the pieces come together. But
Speaker 1: do they have the capability absolutely. The one thing I
Speaker 1: will say is, and I think I've come to this
Speaker 1: conclusion about this team under Jason Garrett. When things go well,
Speaker 1: and what I mean by that is when you don't
Speaker 1: get the unexpected, when you don't have this major player
Speaker 1: that goes out for a significant amount of time, when
Speaker 1: you can keep all that stuff kind of afloat, they
Speaker 1: have a chance to be a really, really good team.
Speaker 1: That's when they have their best seasons. So you put
Speaker 1: it in that context, and I think what Nick said
Speaker 1: really resonates that Travis Frederick injury becomes huge if Joe Looney,
Speaker 1: as I suspect is good, is appreciably close to where
Speaker 1: somewhere close to where Travis Frederick would have played, and
Speaker 1: he doesn't. It doesn't create problems for you that Travis
Speaker 1: Frederick isn't out there. Then I think this team that
Speaker 1: may be a good sign for this team. I think
Speaker 1: if they lose guys like Tying, if they lose guys
Speaker 1: like like Sean Lee, what what we've seen over the
Speaker 1: last few years is when they lose their best players,
Speaker 1: they are not the team that then gets to the playoffs.
Speaker 1: So I think it's going to be all about injuries
Speaker 1: for this team. I think that's the Jason Garrett error
Speaker 1: as I see it is it's all about injuries. So
Speaker 1: is that a yes or no? So right now, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say they will make it based upon what I
Speaker 1: know right now, and I will say that that will
Speaker 1: change if we start seeing injuries, and I'll change in
Speaker 1: my mind. But right now I will say yes, they
Speaker 1: can make because they have enough talent. I think they
Speaker 1: have more than enough talent to make it. Because all
Speaker 1: those teams that Dave just mentioned, one of them, maybe two,
Speaker 1: are going to be bad. I mean's just the nature
Speaker 1: of the league. I think somebody's gonna be really good.
Speaker 1: And because if they have injuries, Yeah, that's why you
Speaker 1: got to give so much credit to what the Eagles did.
Speaker 1: They suffered a lot of them still went in there.
Speaker 1: And you know, a lot of a lot of fans
Speaker 1: will say, what about the coach comes down to coaching
Speaker 1: comes down to that. But you know, say what you will.
Speaker 1: I mean he's been he's kept them pretty competitive for
Speaker 1: the most part, and and a little better than that.
Speaker 1: I think he'll have him right there again. Yep. And
Speaker 1: they ended up nine and seven last year without their
Speaker 1: three best players for a good part of season. That though,
Speaker 1: is the difference between them and the Eagles. The Eagles
Speaker 1: lost arguably their three best players throughout the season and
Speaker 1: they ended up winning the Super Bowl. So there's no
Speaker 1: doubt in my mind they'll be in the conversation because
Speaker 1: they only haven't been one time in Barrett's career. But again,
Speaker 1: that's a steep it's a steep hill to climb in
Speaker 1: the NFC this year. All right, guys, we appreciate you
Speaker 1: joining us. We are back. Actually, we'll have some joint
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