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Speaker 1: Cool Zone Media. Hey, I'm Molly Conger and this is

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Speaker 1: Weird Little Guys, the show where I tell you about

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Speaker 1: the weird little guys trying to unravel the fabric of

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Speaker 1: our society. I've spent years researching and writing about writing extremism,

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Speaker 1: and it's pretty scary out there. I won't lie to you,

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Speaker 1: but the guys trying to ruin life as we know

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Speaker 1: it are also kind of freaks and losers. So here's

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Speaker 1: one of them. Okay, we're going to start this off

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Speaker 1: at the pop quiz. I'm going to read you a quote,

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Speaker 1: and I want you to tell me who said it.

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Speaker 1: I'll give you a minute to think. It's multiple choice

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Speaker 1: to learn who rules over you. Simply find out who

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Speaker 1: you are not allowed to criticize. Was that A Benjamin Franklin, B. Voltaire, C.

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Speaker 1: Socrates or D A neo Nazi pedophile on a white

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Speaker 1: nationalist radio show in nineteen ninety three. Now, if you

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Speaker 1: guessed B, you're in good company. Well, no, it's not

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Speaker 1: good company. The company is pretty terrible. I can't say

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Speaker 1: bad company without getting lost in a tangent about Timoth

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Speaker 1: mcfay's obsession with the song bad Company by the band

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Speaker 1: Bad Company from their album Bad Company. So I won't

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Speaker 1: say the company is bad, but it's a crowd. No,

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Speaker 1: the answer is actually d neo Nazi pedophile Kevin alfred Strom,

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Speaker 1: and it's a slight paraphrase of something he said in

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Speaker 1: an August nineteen ninety three broadcast of American Dissident Voices,

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Speaker 1: the weekly radio program he hosted for the neo Nazi

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Speaker 1: group National Alliance. Strome was living on the group's West

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Speaker 1: Virginia compound, three hundred acres in the mountains near Hillsboro

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Speaker 1: that they just call the Lamb, and he was serving

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Speaker 1: as the right hand band of the group's leader, his mentor,

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Speaker 1: William Luther Pierce. The broadcast was entitled all of America

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Speaker 1: must know the error that is upon us, a name

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Speaker 1: he borrowed from a speech given in nineteen fifty nine

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Speaker 1: by another one of his great influences, Revilo p Oliver,

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Speaker 1: and the quote gets new life every now and again

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Speaker 1: when it's incorrectly attributed to Voltaire. In the era of

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Speaker 1: public discourse about whether wearing a mask was truly the

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Speaker 1: most vile form of tyranny, it made the rounds as

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Speaker 1: COVID deniers pushed back against public health guidelines, like in

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Speaker 1: January of twenty twenty two, when Kentucky Congressman Thomas Massey

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Speaker 1: posted you mustn't question Fauci for he is science, accompanied

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Speaker 1: by an image of the quote, and it was sort

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Speaker 1: of laid over an image. I guess that's just a

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Speaker 1: meme words on a picture. The picture was of a

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Speaker 1: large disembodied hand pushing down on tiny little people that

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Speaker 1: it was squishing. That original image is actually an anti

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Speaker 1: child labor political cartoon from nineteen twelve. If you look

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Speaker 1: at the uncropped version of the original picture, the sleeve

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Speaker 1: has child labor employer written on it. You know they

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Speaker 1: used to label everything in a political cartoon. Garrison didn't

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Speaker 1: invent that. Australian Senator Corey Bernardi tweeted the quote back

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Speaker 1: in twenty fifteen. Contemporaneous reporting doesn't give me any insight

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Speaker 1: into exactly who he felt he was being prevented from criticizing.

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Speaker 1: But there was an article in the Guardian that same

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Speaker 1: week about his belief that Australia should not admit any

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Speaker 1: Syrian refugees because they might be terrorists. So I guess

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Speaker 1: he felt he was being oppressed by refugees but whatever

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Speaker 1: it was about. He responded by not just deleting that tweet,

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Speaker 1: but all of his tweets, and he did not tweet

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Speaker 1: again for a while. Elon Musk has unsurprisingly done it

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Speaker 1: at least twice. In November of twenty twenty two, Musk

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Speaker 1: posted that he was so committed to free speech that

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Speaker 1: about his private plane. He did actually ban the account

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Speaker 1: a month later, but a user with a doge meme

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Speaker 1: profile picture replied to that tweet, so you don't rule

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Speaker 1: over us, but for us much wow, accompanied by that

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Speaker 1: same image that Thomas Massey the big hands squishing the

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Speaker 1: little people with the text of the quote, and Musk

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Speaker 1: replied to the Doge meme guy, that is my goal.

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Speaker 1: After hundreds of commenters immediately pointed out that he was

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Speaker 1: agreeing with a quote from a neo Nazi, he deleted

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Speaker 1: the reply without addressing it. Six months later, he tweeted

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Speaker 1: the exact same picture. It was a screenshot from a

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Speaker 1: meme page, so it was the exact same image bearing

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Speaker 1: the quote, but the text underneath it showed someone had

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Speaker 1: written we need to rise up against children with leukemia.

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Speaker 1: I guess the joke there is that you aren't allowed

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Speaker 1: to criticize kids with cancer. That one's still up. I

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Speaker 1: guess he thought that was funny, and maybe it does

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Speaker 1: kind of sound like something Voltaire could have said. You know,

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Speaker 1: he's not a huge fan of the Jews either. But

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Speaker 1: we don't exactly know where the original misattribution to the

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Speaker 1: French philosopher comes from. American etomologist Barry Popek wrote on

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Speaker 1: his blog in twenty twelve that the quote seemed to

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Speaker 1: it to Voltaire. The oldest attribution to Voltaire that Pope

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Speaker 1: could find super weird it was a two thousand and

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Speaker 1: seven post by a user named Suzanne on a forum

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Speaker 1: for miniature horse breeders. But I think that has more

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Speaker 1: early Internet than it is evidence that Suzanne and the

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Speaker 1: mini horse ladies are anti semites. Right, that we don't

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Speaker 1: really have the ability to Google. A lot of that

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Speaker 1: came from the mini horse ladies, but I will admit

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Speaker 1: I spent half an afternoon digging through twenty year old

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Speaker 1: forum posts about miniature horse pedigrees trying to sniff out

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Speaker 1: secret Nazis and didn't find any. Mostly I just discovered

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Speaker 1: that some people buy the little shoes at Build a

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Speaker 1: Bear Workshop for their miniature horses because they fit perfectly,

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Speaker 1: and they're cheaper than the little sneakers they make for horses.

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Speaker 1: So if you need a little extra traction, if you're

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Speaker 1: taking a miniature horse inside, you could put Teddy Bear

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Speaker 1: sneakers on him. But whoever started it, I find it

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Speaker 1: hard to believe that the original misattribution was innocent. It's

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Speaker 1: not a line you could really just come across anywhere

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Speaker 1: on the wider Internet if you were the first person

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Speaker 1: to do this, And the actual author of the quote

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Speaker 1: seems to agree. In twenty seventeen, Kevin Strom addressed the issue,

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Speaker 1: writing in a post on the website for the neo

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Speaker 1: Nazi organization National Alliance, whoever hijacked my quote and put

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Speaker 1: it over Voltaire's signature liked what I was saying. He

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Speaker 1: understood my point, He understood that our secret rulers brook

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Speaker 1: no criticism of themselves or their agenda without exacting punishment.

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Speaker 1: He wanted to use the quote, but he didn't dare

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Speaker 1: attribute it correctly. He didn't dare make his point with

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Speaker 1: a quote from a known racist or anti Semite. Those

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Speaker 1: He didn't dare follow my thoughts with my name. If

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Speaker 1: he did, he'd be attacked as being racist himself. There

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Speaker 1: might be personal a professional comment sequences. So he took

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Speaker 1: my idea and put it in the mouth of Voltaire.

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Speaker 1: Funny thing, is Voltaire, freethinker and honest observer as he was,

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Speaker 1: I am. But Voltaire has been safely dead for well

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Speaker 1: over two hundred years, and his contribution to the artistic

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Speaker 1: it will take quite some time for his legacy to

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Speaker 1: be race denounced or censored, as I'm sure the enemies

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Speaker 1: of life are aching to do. So. It was relatively

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Speaker 1: safe to quote Voltaire, but unsafe to quote Kevin Alfred Strome.

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Speaker 1: Fair enough, I think Kevin's onto something there, you know.

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Speaker 1: I hate to agree with him. But it isn't just

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Speaker 1: racism and anti Semitism that makes Strome an unsavory source

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Speaker 1: to quote, he is also a pedophile. Now, I know

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Speaker 1: sure you can say that? Well, yeah, I can. I'm

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Speaker 1: very sure because despite the entire section of his website

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Speaker 1: prison for a possession of child pornography is a copy

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Speaker 1: of a contract he signed in the presence of a notary.

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Speaker 1: In September two thousand and six, at the request of

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Speaker 1: his second wife, Kevin Strom signed a document stating that

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Speaker 1: he would attend counseling sessions quote until such time that

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Speaker 1: that I am free from being sexually drawn to children,

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Speaker 1: or any other characteristics of being a pedophile. There's just

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Speaker 1: a lot going on there. I mean, first of all,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you've had anything notarized, right you

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Speaker 1: so it's you know, there's no argument later about whether

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Speaker 1: that's really you who signed it, because you show them

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Speaker 1: I usually get stuff notarized at the library. It's free.

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Speaker 1: Your town probably has it too. You make a little

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Speaker 1: appointment and the librarian can do it for you. It's great.

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Speaker 1: I love public library. I don't know where Kevin got

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Speaker 1: his pedophile contract notarized. I just can't imagine, like normally

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Speaker 1: read this? What a bad day at work. There's nothing

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Speaker 1: That's I can't do that. But I think there's some

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Speaker 1: parties you've probably never heard of him, but he spent

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Speaker 1: By his own telling, it was his high school history

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Speaker 1: Nazi Party after deciding that John Birch Society just wasn't

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Speaker 1: actually to blame, and it was said at John Birch

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Speaker 1: Society meeting sometime in the late seventies when first encountered

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Speaker 1: members of the newly formed National Alliance. William Luther Pierce

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Speaker 1: founded National Alliance in nineteen seventy four after American Nazi

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Speaker 1: by Cardo to focus on recruiting and radicalizing right wing

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Speaker 1: were children they knew, right, family friends, the children of

429
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:40,399
Speaker 1: other National Alliance members. Photos he'd taken of children in

430
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Speaker 1: their lives, friends of her daughters. But it wasn't normal

431
00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:48,680
Speaker 1: because of the you know, the totality of the circumstances here,

432
00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:53,159
Speaker 1: and that's what prompted the pedophilia contract. Because she'd already

433
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:56,200
Speaker 1: caught him looking at actual child pornography the year before,

434
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:59,680
Speaker 1: so she already she already knew, but this was a

435
00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:03,760
Speaker 1: bridge too far. These were children that he had access

436
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:07,600
Speaker 1: to right when she caught him the year before looking

437
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:10,120
Speaker 1: at the child pornography. They'd started going to marriage counseling,

438
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:14,679
Speaker 1: but this was this was too much. She decided he

439
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:19,240
Speaker 1: needed individual counseling to address this specifically, and she later

440
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:22,200
Speaker 1: testified that it was at this point that she started

441
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 1: sleeping on the floor outside her daughter's bedroom. And his

442
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:27,919
Speaker 1: marriage was not the only thing in Kevin's life that

443
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:31,040
Speaker 1: was falling apart in two thousand and six. After William

444
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:33,359
Speaker 1: Luther Pierce died in two thousand and two, National Alliance

445
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:36,879
Speaker 1: was thrown into chaos. His handpicked successor, Eric Gleeb, was

446
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:39,800
Speaker 1: losing control of the organization. In two thousand and four,

447
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:43,040
Speaker 1: National Alliances Membership Coordinator quit, leaving behind a public letter

448
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:46,399
Speaker 1: demanding an audit of the organization's finances, accusing Glebe of

449
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,600
Speaker 1: mismanaging member dues. In April of two thousand and five,

450
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:53,600
Speaker 1: Strong attempted a coup of sorts, getting dozens of signatures

451
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 1: on a letter demanding Glebe's resignation. Gleb responded by firing

452
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 1: him Barnough, but then he did actually step down just

453
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,960
Speaker 1: a few days after that, leaving Sean Walker in charge

454
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 1: of National Alliance. And you know another sort of tangent here.

455
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:13,440
Speaker 1: Gleeb would actually return as chairman just a year later

456
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 1: because Shawn Walker, the guy that took over for him

457
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:17,159
Speaker 1: when he quit, had to go to prison on a

458
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:19,920
Speaker 1: gun thing. So it's really just kind of a revolving door.

459
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 1: Nobody really knows who's in charge here, but Kevin's out.

460
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 1: But if this one thing these guys love, it is

461
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:29,479
Speaker 1: a splinter group. So Kevin responds to being fired from

462
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:33,240
Speaker 1: the organization he'd devoted his entire adult life to by

463
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 1: founding his own and he called it National Vanguard, which

464
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 1: is the same as the publication he'd been editing for

465
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 1: National Alliance for years. So he already was using the

466
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:45,639
Speaker 1: name National Vanguard because that was National Alliance's publication that

467
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 1: he was in charge of, so he already owned a

468
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:52,360
Speaker 1: domain easy for him, and some National Alliance chapters followed him.

469
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,160
Speaker 1: So he's pretty busy trying to helm his newly formed

470
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:58,120
Speaker 1: splinter group. He's traveling to chapters in different states trying

471
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 1: to shore up support. He's speaking, he's recruiting, and he's

472
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 1: just trying to get this thing off the ground. But

473
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 1: he's not so busy that he can't make time to

474
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 1: see the new love of his life, a nine year old.

475
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:24,879
Speaker 1: In September two thousand and five, Kevin met one of

476
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:28,400
Speaker 1: his stepdaughter's elementary school classmates, a girl identified in court

477
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:32,480
Speaker 1: documents only as AA, which thankfully are not her real initials.

478
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 1: She was nine at the time, and I'll set your

479
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 1: mind at ease up front. He never touched her. There's

480
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 1: no allegation that he ever touched a child, so that's

481
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 1: some consolation, I think. And none of the naked photos

482
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:50,880
Speaker 1: of children they found on his hard drive were of her.

483
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:54,920
Speaker 1: Right again, there's no allegation that he ever took photos

484
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:58,639
Speaker 1: of children who were naked. He just was weird about

485
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 1: taking photos of clothes. But he showed up at her

486
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:05,160
Speaker 1: school so many times that her parents pulled her out

487
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 1: of private school and sent her back to public school.

488
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:11,400
Speaker 1: He drove by her house, he sent her flowers and gifts,

489
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 1: and he wrote poems and love songs, and ultimately the

490
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:19,879
Speaker 1: charge of sexual enticement of a miner, which was one

491
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:23,120
Speaker 1: of the things he was originally charged with, was dismissed

492
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:27,159
Speaker 1: Judge Norman Moon, who is shockingly still on the bench.

493
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:29,959
Speaker 1: I saw Judge Moon not too long ago said there

494
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 1: was overwhelming evidence that Strom was attracted to the girl,

495
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 1: but that there wasn't sufficient evidence that he'd actually tried

496
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 1: to sexually coerce her. Right, So he's trying to romance

497
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 1: this child, but he didn't sexually coerce her. Right, He's

498
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 1: buying her flowers and showing up at her house, but

499
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 1: he didn't physically coerce her. And I don't know. I

500
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 1: don't know where the line is there. I'm not comfortable

501
00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 1: with that. If a grown man is hiding behind a

502
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,400
Speaker 1: tree outside of an elementary school trying to get close

503
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 1: to the child, he's writing poems about marrying, there's gotta

504
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 1: be something we could do about that, right, I don't know.

505
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 1: If a guy is taking time out of his busy

506
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,400
Speaker 1: schedule meeting with David Duke and writing blog posts about

507
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 1: racial purity to download a little girls school schedule. There's

508
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 1: gotta be some kind of intervention. But even though Judge

509
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,439
Speaker 1: Moon said it wasn't illegal to send romantic gifts to

510
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:30,199
Speaker 1: a fifth grader, the behavior did prompt an investigation. His

511
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 1: wife is rightly very concerned. They start going to counseling.

512
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 1: She catches him looking at child pornography and tries to

513
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 1: call the police. And so here this is a little

514
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 1: he said, she said, right, So they both agreed that

515
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 1: there was an altercation. She says that she hit him

516
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 1: because she was trying to call the police, and then

517
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 1: he tried to stop her by choking her. This is

518
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 1: where the witness intimidation charge comes in that was ultimately

519
00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 1: dropped at trial. But regardless of how it started, she

520
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 1: hit him over the head with the phone so hard

521
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 1: that he had to go to the hospital. So they

522
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 1: go back to marriage counseling. In July two thousand and six,

523
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 1: he announces he's taking a step back from his new

524
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 1: Nazi splinter group, citing family issues. You know the classic line,

525
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 1: I've got to take a step back from the work

526
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 1: to spend more time with my family. In this case,

527
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 1: it doesn't seem like spending more time with his family

528
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 1: is really in anybody's best interest. But he abandons National Vanguard.

529
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 1: He just doesn't have time for it right now. And

530
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 1: a month after that, unbeknownst to him, his wife gives

531
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 1: his computer hard drive to the police. In an October,

532
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 1: federal agents search his home. Notably, the FBI agents that

533
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 1: come to search his house are from the Joint Terrorism

534
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 1: Task Force. I don't know that child sex abuse material

535
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 1: usually involves the JTTF, but in this case it did,

536
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 1: and specifically, the agent on the warrant was a Charlesville

537
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 1: police officer on loan to the task force. Did I

538
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 1: mention that this takes place in Charlottesville. It's just it

539
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 1: doesn't seem right, does it. But the agent on the

540
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 1: warrant is Charlesville police officer who is on loan to

541
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:13,719
Speaker 1: the JTTF. Brian O'Donnell and Alicia, that's Kevin's wife at

542
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 1: the time, claimed very publicly and for years that she

543
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 1: was sleeping with O'Donnell at the time of the trial,

544
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 1: and she even produced audio that she claims as a

545
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 1: recording of a phone call between the two of them

546
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 1: where they're talking about the affair. I won't tell you

547
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 1: with certainty that she was sleeping with the cop in

548
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 1: charge of investigating her pedophile husband. He has not admitted that.

549
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 1: I think he has denied that, but that was her

550
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 1: claim for many years. For what it's worth, she was

551
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 1: later arrested several times for stalking and doxing cops. Here

552
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 1: in the Charlottesville area, we have what's called the Jefferson

553
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 1: Area Drug Enforcement Task Force. It's a multi jurisdictional drug

554
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 1: enforcement unit. And she ran a blog devoted to doxing

555
00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 1: the undercover cops that did drug stings. So again, you know,

556
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 1: you don't got to hand it to her. She is

557
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 1: not innocent in all of this. She was a true believer,

558
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 1: just like Kevin. But I don't know, running the cop

559
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 1: doxing blog not bad. Eventually, the ACLU actually took up

560
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 1: her case, defending her right to run a blog dedicated

561
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 1: to identifying undercovered drug officers. She spent a little bit

562
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 1: of time in jail, but I think ultimately she was

563
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:26,959
Speaker 1: vindicated in her cop doxing blog. It's just such a

564
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 1: weird rabbit hole here. It's just such a strange side

565
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 1: tangent that has nothing to do with Kevin because he's

566
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 1: out of her life at this point, right, But just

567
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 1: a weird crossover. I wish I could go back in

568
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 1: time and see Tim Longo's the Charlesville police chief. Back

569
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 1: then he met with Alicia and just bagging tarries like

570
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 1: I can't make you right. You're not breaking the law.

571
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 1: We settled that, but please please log off. Please stop

572
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:52,719
Speaker 1: posting pictures of cops, houses and cars. It's upsetting the boys.

573
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 1: Just bizarre, another strange crossover, Just totally bizarre. I guess

574
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 1: it's just a quirk of small town life. But it's

575
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 1: one of her many trials. The prosecutor was Denise Lunsford.

576
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 1: She was back then in the Prosecutor's office in al

577
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 1: Marle County. After working as a prosecutor, she would go

578
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 1: back to defense work and she was actually the court

579
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 1: appointed defense attorney at the James Alexfield's murder trial. So

580
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 1: just everything comes full circle, I guess. And O'Donnell, the

581
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 1: officer working Strome's case for the JTTF. Again, he denied

582
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 1: the affair. He says he was not sleeping with Alicia,

583
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 1: but he actually stayed on at the Charlesville Police Department

584
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 1: for another decade or so, long enough to serve as

585
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 1: one of the zone commanders for the police presence in

586
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 1: downtown Charlottesville on August twelfth, twenty seventeen. I'm not saying

587
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 1: any of this to start a conspiracy there. There's really

588
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 1: no conspiracy here. It's just a quirk of a little

589
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 1: city characters getting recycled. But circling back, I digress that

590
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 1: JTTF involvement in this small town child pornography case is

591
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 1: what fuels Strom's personal conspiracy theory that he was set up.

592
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:07,719
Speaker 1: He maintains to this day that he was targeted by

593
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 1: the JTTF because they were unhappy with him or his

594
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 1: coverage of the two thousand and four federal trial of

595
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 1: Chester Doles. Of all the things to think that this

596
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 1: is about, I think that's just so stupid. Doles was

597
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 1: a longtime clansman, but by the early two thousands was

598
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 1: in leadership at National Alliance and he was on trial

599
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 1: for some kind of federal gun charge. He did something silly.

600
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 1: He was a felon for some prior hate crimes. He

601
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 1: wasn't supposed to have a gun. He did go to

602
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 1: prison again, got back out. He tried to run for

603
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 1: office in Georgia two years ago. Anyway, Strome attended the

604
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 1: trial to support Doles, obviously as a National Alliance member,

605
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 1: and he was also writing about the case for National

606
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 1: Alliances website to sort of help boost awareness of the

607
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 1: case because they were raising money for Doles's family. But

608
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 1: Strome says that at the courthouse a JGTF agent looked

609
00:33:56,400 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 1: at him and said, Strome, you're next. So he thinks

610
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 1: that they hated his blog so much that they tried

611
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 1: to send him to prison. I know, I'm saying that, like,

612
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 1: it's so stupid when I just told you that, like

613
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 1: his wife wrote a blog bit was so bad the

614
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 1: cops tried to send her to jail. But I just

615
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,720
Speaker 1: don't think the FBI cared that much about his blog.

616
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 1: I really don't, because I've got a different theory I

617
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 1: found buried in this mountain of documents produced pursued into

618
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 1: a FOI request by Didas Secrets founder Ema Best, an

619
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:33,280
Speaker 1: FBI memo dated April eighteenth, two thousand and five. Remember

620
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:36,359
Speaker 1: that's the week of Kevin's attempted coup. So he's trying

621
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 1: to seize control of National Alliance from Eric Glebe, but

622
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 1: instead he gets fired and he splinters off National Vanguard.

623
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 1: So in this FBI memo, which was written just days

624
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 1: before all of that happened, the agent writes National Alliance

625
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:54,360
Speaker 1: fracturing continued and accelerated this weekend. And the agent speculates

626
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 1: that a splinter group led by a former staffer is

627
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 1: likely to form, And he actually writes a name, but

628
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 1: it's acted obviously, but based on the character wits, I

629
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,439
Speaker 1: can't think of another guy whose name would fit. It's

630
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 1: a Kevin Strom length redaction, if you know what I'm saying.

631
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 1: The memos author advises agents to assess the potential of

632
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 1: a lone wolf acting out of frustration over the lack

633
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 1: of progress that organized groups have been able to make

634
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 1: in their goals, and the document concludes by saying, quote

635
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 1: to some degree, I believe that National Alliance had a

636
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 1: stabilizing effect on the majority of its members, and with

637
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 1: the growing instability of the organization, individual actions by these

638
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:41,359
Speaker 1: people will become more difficult to anticipate and certainly more

639
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:45,800
Speaker 1: difficult to cover with sources. So if you don't speak

640
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 1: cop right, what he's saying is that the collapse of

641
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 1: a group that size which had long relied on the

642
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 1: somewhat stabilizing effect of a charismatic leader, would make it

643
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 1: harder to infiltrate, harder to monitor, and harder to predict.

644
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 1: And some of these guys might do terrorism. Right that

645
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 1: if this group collapses, if they don't have the stability

646
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 1: and the framework of a leader keeping them in line,

647
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 1: they're gonna blow stuff up. And the FBI already had

648
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 1: an idea about strow right, It was sort of an

649
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 1: open secret for years that he was a little weird

650
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:26,839
Speaker 1: about little girls. His ex wife Kirsten, spoke to the

651
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 1: FBI years earlier, though it's not clear what specific allegations

652
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 1: she made about his proclivities. In the nineties, he maintained

653
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 1: a personal website with an entire section dedicated to the

654
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 1: beauty of the White race, which, like, I mean, normal

655
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 1: enough for a Nazi, right, like the beauty of the

656
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 1: Aryan woman or whatever, like a Pinterest board for the

657
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 1: fourteen words. But it was weirder than that. Right, even

658
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 1: at the time and even within the movement. It raised

659
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 1: eyebrows because the pictures were not of adult women, right,

660
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 1: It was the beauty of Aryan little girls, again clothed

661
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 1: but weird, just kind of freak behavior. And Kirston wrote

662
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 1: in her memoir, which was published years before his arrest,

663
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 1: she's not writing this after she already knows she's writing

664
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:17,959
Speaker 1: this prior to his arrest, that during their custody battle,

665
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,319
Speaker 1: she actually went to the police about that section of

666
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 1: his website, and the police agreed that it was super unsettling,

667
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 1: but that ultimately it was not illegal because the girls

668
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 1: were clothed. She said in an interview later that Alicia,

669
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 1: the second wife, called her after Kevin got arrested. She

670
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 1: said that for the first two years of her marriage

671
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 1: she tried to figure out what was wrong with her,

672
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 1: and for the second two years she tried to figure

673
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 1: out what was wrong with him. The fact is he

674
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 1: wasn't interested in me either once we got married. You know,

675
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 1: often when someone gets arrested for something like this, people

676
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 1: come out of the word work and they say, oh,

677
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 1: I always knew something was kind of weird about that guy.

678
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:02,320
Speaker 1: I always knew. Why didn't you say anything? First of all?

679
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 1: But in this case, we have sources that predate his arrest,

680
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 1: so this isn't a hindsight thing. People were saying this

681
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 1: for years. Some posts on a white nationalist message board

682
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 1: in two thousand and three discussed the photos. Even one

683
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 1: user writes, back some years ago, when Strom first came

684
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 1: on the internet, he ran a series of pictures of

685
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:24,840
Speaker 1: young white girls which some people found objectionable, but I

686
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 1: did not. They weren't naked or in suggestive poses or

687
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 1: anything like that, And what the hell is wrong with

688
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 1: celebrating the beauty of the women of our race. Even

689
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 1: the other Nazis pushed back against that. They're like, I

690
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 1: don't know, man. The photos were of the children of

691
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 1: other National Alliance members. These aren't just random pictures of

692
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 1: kids he found online. These aren't stock photos. These are

693
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 1: photos he took of children in his life. Would photograph

694
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 1: children playing on the compound and post them online without

695
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 1: their parents' permission, which is weird enough. But the website

696
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 1: also had another section, so this is on a separate

697
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 1: page of the website, but it's on the website. There

698
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 1: were also photos of himself posing in what the users

699
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 1: on the message board call beefcake poses in underwear that

700
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 1: they describe as fruit of the looms. I'm so I'm

701
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:24,319
Speaker 1: so sorry. Another exasperated user wrote, why why do these

702
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 1: things happen? Why even under the best of circumstances, the

703
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:31,840
Speaker 1: movement always tainted with just a slight tinge of cadaverine smell.

704
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 1: Why are we constantly confronted with this kind of just

705
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 1: plain weird behavior, even among those who claim to be, and,

706
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 1: to our reluctant agreement, usually are the best people we've got.

707
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,840
Speaker 1: Why can't we have so much as one single leader

708
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 1: who is just simply normal. Why must there always be

709
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 1: these little weird kibbles and bits, these little oddities, these

710
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 1: little bits of quirky behavior lurking in the background of

711
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,439
Speaker 1: everything we do. Why must we always hold our breath

712
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 1: around our leaders, never knowing what horrible surprise lurks in

713
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:06,879
Speaker 1: their past, waiting to spring out and piss all over

714
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 1: everything like a giggling, deranged baby. Why do we even bother?

715
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 1: Is this really truly the best we can do? And

716
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 1: to that, I say, I think so. Yeah, I think

717
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 1: it is the best they can do. The movement is

718
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 1: full of aspiring hitlers, but they're all just absolute fucking weirdohs,

719
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 1: even aside from the whole Nazi thing. So if the

720
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:32,720
Speaker 1: FBI wanted to take out one head of this hydra

721
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 1: to cut off the potential for this splinter group to

722
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 1: further split one of the country's more powerful white supremacist organizations.

723
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 1: It wouldn't be hard, right, I'm saying that these two

724
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 1: things exist separately. He was already a pedophile. They had

725
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:51,720
Speaker 1: an existing desire to prevent this splinter group from taking hold,

726
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 1: and they just kind of lucked out, right, Like, if

727
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 1: the cops might come after you, don't do them a

728
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 1: favor by doing other crimes, Like if you're a mob boss,

729
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 1: pay your taxes, right, Who knows? We do know Alicia

730
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 1: turned over that hard drive to the police, but it's

731
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,359
Speaker 1: impossible to know if she did that of her own

732
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 1: volition or if she'd been approached by agents looking to

733
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 1: get him on something. Right, Both of those are very

734
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 1: easy to believe. He was horrible to her, you know,

735
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 1: by her account, he tried to choke her, he's looking

736
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 1: at child pornography. She's afraid for her daughter. I think that,

737
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 1: even on its own, is enough motivation for even a

738
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 1: true believer, a member of the movement, to say something

739
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 1: has to be done. This isn't acceptable. But it's also

740
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 1: very easy to believe that the FBI would approach her

741
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 1: and say, you know, we can help you if you

742
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 1: help us. Who knows. We'll never know. She would say

743
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 1: that she never did that, right. She says that she

744
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 1: didn't give any information to the police. But we know

745
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 1: that's not true because it's in court documents that she

746
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 1: voluntarily produced the hard trime. So we'll never really get

747
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 1: a straight answer. You know, he really just stepped on

748
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:07,439
Speaker 1: a rake here. You know, maybe the Feds never would

749
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 1: have gotten involved at all if not for a little

750
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 1: girl's mother who called the police because some weird middle

751
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 1: aged man wouldn't stop showing up at her daughter's school. Ultimately,

752
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 1: Strome did plead guilty to one count of possessing child

753
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 1: pornography and was sentenced to twenty three months, with the

754
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:26,240
Speaker 1: year he'd already served before pleading guilty. He was released

755
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 1: just a few months later in September of two thousand

756
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 1: and eight, and Strome was sort of in the wilderness

757
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 1: for a bit after his stint in prison. By twenty thirteen, though,

758
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 1: who is back in it with National Alliance. He registered

759
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 1: an account under his own name on the group's online forum,

760
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 1: and the following year Glebe steps down again, leaving William

761
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 1: White Williams the head of National Alliance, and he's still

762
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:52,399
Speaker 1: in charge over there today of what's left of it.

763
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:57,439
Speaker 1: And yes, that is William White. Williams, that is his name,

764
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 1: William W. Williams. Not to be confused with William White,

765
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 1: that is a Nazi for a different day, I promise,

766
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 1: though we'll get to William White anyway. Williams he was

767
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 1: a longtime Strome ally, so he brings him back into

768
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 1: the fold and reinstates him as the group's media director.

769
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 1: And he also introduced Strome to the woman who'd become

770
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 1: his third wife, Meredith Keller. And Keller started writing to

771
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 1: Williams in twenty twelve when she was still an undergraduate

772
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 1: in college, and Williams introduced her to Strome soon after. So,

773
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:32,919
Speaker 1: just as William Luther Pierce had selected Kirsten for Kevin

774
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 1: back in nineteen eighty seven, the Alliance's new chairman's playing

775
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 1: matchmaker again again, Kevin's like fifty at this point and

776
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 1: she is just graduating college, so not illegal, but it

777
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 1: is weird. It is weird. And under the pseudonym Vanessa Neubauer,

778
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:53,319
Speaker 1: Meredith served as the secretary for the Cosmotheist Church that's

779
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 1: the fake Nazi religion that William Luther Peers invented to

780
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 1: get tax exempt status after the IRS said no the

781
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 1: first time in nineteen seven eight. Strom's engagement to Meredith

782
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:06,880
Speaker 1: was announced in an October twenty fifteen member newsletter, but

783
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 1: a police report two months later says she called the

784
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:12,359
Speaker 1: police when he wouldn't let her leave the house when

785
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:16,320
Speaker 1: she tried to end their relationship. No charges were filed,

786
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 1: and I guess the police having to come because you're

787
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 1: holding a woman hostage isn't a probation violation because there's

788
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 1: no documentation in his federal court file that he had

789
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 1: a police contact of this sort. Who knows. So he

790
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 1: didn't get in trouble and they didn't break up. The

791
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,360
Speaker 1: couple attended one of the last Trump campaign rallies together

792
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 1: just two weeks before the twenty sixteen election. In a

793
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 1: broadcast of American Dissident Voices that week, Stroma pined that

794
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 1: Trump had opened the door for a full on Hitler

795
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 1: to emerge in the not too distant future, ending the

796
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 1: broadcast with optimism at the speed with which the Overton

797
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 1: window was shifting rightward, saying, never before has the window

798
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 1: of topics opened for public debate been moved so far

799
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 1: and so fast in our direction. Kevin and Meredith married

800
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen. There were some rumors of the weird

801
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 1: corners of the Internet that Strom had wanted to move

802
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:13,360
Speaker 1: his new family back to the compound in West Virginia.

803
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 1: But everybody kind of said no to that, not because

804
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:20,719
Speaker 1: they didn't want a convicted sex offender around the families

805
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 1: that live there. Now, that wasn't a big deal. They

806
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 1: don't think he was guilty, right, he was railroad and

807
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 1: it was fake whatever. But because of his mandatory sex

808
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:33,319
Speaker 1: offender registration, that would mean that a photograph of the

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00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 1: compound would appear on the sex Offender Registry website, and

810
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 1: people weren't comfortable with that. I don't know if that's true.

811
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 1: I guess I shouldn't repeat Internet rumors, but take it

812
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 1: with a grainisal. The couple lived for several years in

813
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:49,839
Speaker 1: a home provided to him by a supporter from New

814
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,319
Speaker 1: Jersey before purchasing a house a few hours north of

815
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 1: the compound in a town outside of Pittsburgh. She gave

816
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:59,720
Speaker 1: birth to their third child together, his sixth last summer.

817
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 1: As of last September, Strom is no longer under supervision

818
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 1: and no longer appears on the Sex Offender Registry. He

819
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 1: and his wife appear as signatories on documents filed with

820
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 1: the Pocahontas County Clerk in West Virginia approving the lease

821
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 1: of some land owned by the Cosmothius Church to a

822
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 1: third party in twenty eighteen. He still hosts American Dissonant Voices,

823
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:22,839
Speaker 1: the weekly broadcast he started in nineteen ninety one, and

824
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:25,799
Speaker 1: still posts regularly on the website of the foundering neo

825
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 1: Nazi organization that he's given his life to. So Voltaire

826
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:35,360
Speaker 1: didn't say it. A life long adherent to the teachings

827
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:38,840
Speaker 1: of one of America's most influential Nazi leaders, said it

828
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:42,840
Speaker 1: from a little bunker in the mountains of West Virginia.

829
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Speaker 1: Just a weird little guy who, according to one ex wife,

830
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 1: was known to disappear for hours locked in the bathroom,

831
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 1: eating pickles in the bathtub. Weird little Guys to production

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