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Speaker 1: In the Lab, a Texans podcast that takes a different

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Speaker 1: look at things. Drew Doherty and John Harris have their

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Speaker 1: Here's Drew Man.

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Speaker 2: Oh man. We haven't done this, John Harris and I

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Speaker 2: Drew Doherty, we haven't done this in the Lab Texans

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Speaker 2: in the Lab in a long time. Two weeks or

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Speaker 2: so and you things have changed, John a little bit,

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Speaker 2: A little bit. What's that? How's that go? In? Anchorman

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Speaker 2: on uh rom Burgundy? Yeah. Now we're not gonna go

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Speaker 2: over all of them because blah blah blah. But you

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Speaker 2: wrote a really good article about a guy named Denico

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Speaker 2: Autry who there's been some excitement about him. I don't

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Speaker 2: think there's been enough excitement about him. Yeah, but you

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Speaker 2: wrote about how he's been a Texans terror and I thought, yeah,

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Speaker 2: he's had some good games, and I didn't really think

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Speaker 2: much more about it. And then I was like, wait,

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Speaker 2: what has he done against the Texans? So I looked

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Speaker 2: him up. I went to Pro Football Reference and I

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Speaker 2: did the career logs, and then I did I clicked

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Speaker 2: on Houston Texans. John, if you include two playoff games?

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Speaker 2: Because he was a rayed sixty two playoff games. He's

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Speaker 2: played fifteen times against the Houston Texans. In those fifteen games,

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Speaker 2: he has seventeen tackles for loss against US. He is

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Speaker 2: eight and a half sacks. He's hit the quarterback thirteen times.

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Speaker 2: One thing that I didn't think much of, but goodness gracious,

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Speaker 2: at the games and a boatload of tackles. He's nasty.

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Speaker 2: Nick Cassario was on with the Boys paint in Pendergass

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Speaker 2: the other morning, called him all sorts of things in

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Speaker 2: a complimentary way, a bad m effort, a pain in

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Speaker 2: the ass, junk yard dog. Junkyard Dog, by the way,

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Speaker 2: was one of my favorite wrestlers. Yes with a WWF

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Speaker 2: back in the day, not wwe WWF. Needn't talk about

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Speaker 2: that when Nick I forget him. Yeah, but Deniko Autry

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Speaker 2: gonna be fun now. Denico Autry is not your prototypical,

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Speaker 2: historical four to three defensive end. He can do some stuff.

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Speaker 2: He's even better than that, better athletically suited to play

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Speaker 2: in this defense that Demico Autry or Demiko ryans. I'm

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Speaker 2: not the first, and I won't be the last to jiggle

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Speaker 2: those up. But he's well suited for any defense, especially

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Speaker 2: for this one. He gives you a lot of versatility.

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Speaker 2: And man, I love it bad m effort said by

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Speaker 2: the general manager, who's very limited usually in his in

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Speaker 2: his praise for folks, this is exciting John very much.

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Speaker 1: So uh.

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Speaker 3: And in the article that I wrote, what I did

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Speaker 3: was I went back on all my the articles called

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Speaker 3: no Your Foe, and I write and I write keys

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Speaker 3: of the game each time, and so they've obviously changed

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Speaker 3: over the year. So I wrote a little bit more

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Speaker 3: as it went on some you know, but you can

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Speaker 3: see what I actually wrote for a playoff game in

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Speaker 3: twenty eighteen, for a regular season game in twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 3: The regular season games the last couple of years when

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Speaker 3: he was with Tennessee, and in one of them, I

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Speaker 3: put that Nicko Autrey is I think the most underrated

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Speaker 3: I felt like that, That's how highly I've thought of him,

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Speaker 3: because I remembered all those games where he had a

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Speaker 3: we could just block Autry and we just couldn't block Autry.

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Speaker 3: And now he's a Texan and you mentioned Nick Cassio

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Speaker 3: and what he had to say. As soon as it

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Speaker 3: defensive tackle for the Tennessee Titans, tweeted out, don't essentially,

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Speaker 3: don't tell me that Niko he called Nico. And that's

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Speaker 3: gonna get confusing too, because he had Nico de Nico

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Speaker 3: and Miko and Demiko. You got all that because the

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Speaker 3: players called and the coaches called Demko, Miko ye, and

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Speaker 3: then there's Nico and now you got Deniko.

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Speaker 2: So that's gonna get fun.

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Speaker 4: So Denik Autry, he's going to be able to wreck shop.

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Speaker 3: And when Jeffrey Simmons said, paraphrasing, man, don't tell me

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Texans got him.

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Speaker 3: And so that ends up being a pretty interesting situation

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Speaker 2: To the Texas. Yeah, that was one thing I wanted

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Speaker 2: schminter here in Houston. Anyways, Mike Ford Cleveland Brown now

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Speaker 2: a little bit. That's that's a pretty significant tweet to

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Speaker 2: send off for a guy who's primarily been a special

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Speaker 2: we know special teams is important on this team. We

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Speaker 3: you can bring back everybody that was on your Special teams.

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Speaker 3: When you think about, you know, roster churn, for the

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Speaker 3: So you know, you have those players that are probably

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Speaker 3: So you don't skip a beat. And you bring in

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Speaker 3: I remember watching Ford with the Browns and I thought

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Speaker 3: And I just remember Mike Ford. So when we signed him,

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Speaker 3: And obviously people say, well he ran a kickback against

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Speaker 3: Ravens too. Doesn't mean that there aren't players from those

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Speaker 4: So, yeah, those are definitely signings.

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Speaker 3: You know, the Autry one, because once the deal Hunter happened,

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Speaker 2: Are you talk about the HBO show? Okay?

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Speaker 4: The HBO show The Wire? Okay, And so there's you.

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Speaker 3: Now we're way behind on it, you know, obviously, because

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Speaker 3: Oh you've never seen it. Well, they're talking about chess.

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Speaker 3: They're talking about, you know, the chess pieces and moving

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Speaker 3: them on a board. Well, to me, Denico Autry is

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I could do that, and they're run the ball

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Speaker 3: I can set the edge. He can do so many

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Speaker 3: He's a chess piece we can use in a lot

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Speaker 3: the other special teams pieces that go along with it,

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Speaker 3: like you mentioned Deshaun Phillips and Mike Ford.

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Speaker 2: It's we still have a while to go before OTAs,

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Speaker 2: before training camp for the season, so on and so forth. Also,

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Speaker 2: the draft is going to be a big part of this.

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Speaker 2: But because of what Demico Ryans was inheriting last year

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Speaker 2: that's a valid concern, But is there maybe a shift

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Speaker 2: and should we kind of think about it a little

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Speaker 2: differently than we have historically around here? Like I'm not

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Speaker 2: saying he's going to a three to four. I'm not

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Speaker 2: saying he's disregarding the defensive tackle, But is there because

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Speaker 2: of Autrey being a chess piece and because of what

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Speaker 3: I don't know if it's so much the Texans drew

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 4: I think I heard Andy Reid say this read it somewhere.

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Speaker 3: Andy Reid said, Hey, look, you know NFL teams are

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Speaker 3: two teams obviously they function differently in college obviously, which

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Speaker 3: you look around, like I look around. Just take defensive tackle,

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 3: You could at some point say, all right, well, we're

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Speaker 4: It's just what's available now.

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Speaker 3: Really, isn't that kind of big run stuffer now getting

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Speaker 3: But those guys are so few and far between. So

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Speaker 2: Of what's available, what's out there in the market. I

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'd love it. I'd love it.

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Speaker 3: that said, it's you know back then when you did

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Speaker 3: Ryan Pickett, Yeah, love, we love Big Grease.

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Speaker 3: Weren't as many teams playing quite a space game back

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Speaker 3: guys are getting phased out now. DJ Reader, Like I

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Speaker 3: very well. McKinley Jackson three hundred twenty five pounds, moves

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Speaker 3: very very well. You can't just be that guy that

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Speaker 3: because teams are like, all right, well he's not going

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Speaker 3: take that guy out of the game and away you go. Now,

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Speaker 3: a lot will be said about Devondre Sweats three hundred

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Speaker 3: you know, athleticism with that size, like you should him

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Speaker 2: All right, with all that in mind, it's time to

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Speaker 2: do the exercise. What you and I haven't done the

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Speaker 2: with us before, is we go to Pro Footballnetwork dot

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Speaker 2: Com their mock draft simulator. Because the Texans they've moved around,

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Speaker 2: they've shed some picks. They don't have a first rounder anymore,

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Speaker 2: you always want to go fast, and you always want

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Speaker 2: to choose the Houston Texans So the Texans are on

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Speaker 2: the board now at forty two. But John, before I

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Speaker 2: tell you who's available, just keep this in mind. Cleveland

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Speaker 2: fifty four. Oh that's okay, and next year's second rounder.

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Speaker 2: That's enticing. So you'd moved back twelve and you still

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Speaker 2: have another second rounder this year, but you're forty eight.

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Speaker 2: one forty two and a seventh. You're two four seven

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Speaker 4: Let's get jiggy with Let's do the first one.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so in the first trade, but before we do,

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Speaker 2: I just want to let you know who's on the board. Okay,

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Speaker 2: wide receiver from Texas ad and I Mitchell Pennix is available. Yep,

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Speaker 2: to DeAndre Sweat at forty one. He's third on the board.

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Speaker 2: He's available, Okay. You also have an edge rusher at

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Speaker 2: Dieze Isaac Troy Franklin. The receiver from Oregon Ruke ro

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Speaker 3: Okay, people not how much I like Drian Cooper. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Blnebacker won and Harris one hundred for forty two overall. Ironically,

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Speaker 3: Christian Harris.

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Speaker 2: Is that too redundant if you were to add a

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Speaker 2: guy like that, that's exactly right. Okay, you don't want him, okay,

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Speaker 2: Malachi Corley, Leonard Taylor defensive tackle. Okay, sweat thing.

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Speaker 3: You've said about four or five names that I that

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Speaker 3: I kind of like. So let's make the deal. Let's

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Speaker 3: get that second next year as well. So now we

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Speaker 3: got three seconds next year, a first and three seconds

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Speaker 2: I like that, So let's do it. Okay, We've made

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Speaker 2: the deal. And there's another deal bruin with the Browns.

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Speaker 2: They want fifty four in exchange for eighty five one

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Speaker 2: to fifty six next year's third and fourth. I say, no,

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Speaker 2: thank no, no, no, let's stay at fifty four. Okay. Heennix

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Speaker 2: is still available, So Andre Sweat still available.

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Speaker 3: Bang it, Sweat, let's over, Ruka ro row Yeah, let's

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Speaker 3: go sweat. Okay, so Sweat, let's get some fifty four.

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Speaker 3: Let's do it, pal he's a Texan. Now we're picking again.

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Speaker 3: You've got fifty nine. Cleveland's back.

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Speaker 2: They want at fifty nine and two three eight eighty five,

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Speaker 2: one five, six, three and four. I say no, no, yeah,

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Speaker 2: and then the Vikings want the same and they want

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Speaker 2: to give you one o eight one two nine one

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Speaker 2: five seven. Okay, here's three and four.

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Speaker 3: I don't fore you say no that before you say

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Speaker 3: no real fast, Let's let's hear who's on the board

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Speaker 3: and see if there are few names. I don't want that, dude. Okay,

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Speaker 3: then let's bend. Now the we're coach ems on. That's

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Speaker 2: Okay, well, no, let's listen. Let's let's hear it out. Okay,

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Speaker 2: pix is still there. A row Row Taylor Jatavian Sanders

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Speaker 2: tight end and Texans have that. We have that. Raylan

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Speaker 2: Trice an edge from Washington. Max Melton corner is available. Ooh,

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Speaker 2: linebacker Cedric Gray is available. I like both those guys.

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Speaker 2: I like Melton a lot. Raydon Fiskey is available from

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Speaker 2: Florida State. Bro Braid safety out of Maryland. Do you

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Speaker 2: like him? It's okay. He's a box safety, okay, and

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Speaker 2: this is one that makes me pause. Down he's seventieh

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Speaker 2: but I bet he flies off. Roman Wilson, wide receiver,

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Speaker 2: Michigan Wilson. We need wide receiver. Yeah, okay, so we're

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Speaker 2: not taking the deal. He's not anywhere near like the

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Speaker 2: you love him though, Wiltudless. We've added Roman Wilson. Now

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Speaker 2: we're into the third round eighty six. All right, this

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Speaker 2: is an intriguing offer, eighty six and two four seven,

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Speaker 2: which you always want to kind of dump your sevens,

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Speaker 2: don't you? Seemingly to move back ten spots to ninety

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Speaker 2: six with Jacksonville and you get their fourth next year.

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Speaker 2: But let me let you know who's available. Marshawn Neeland

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Speaker 2: an edge is available. Jalen McMillan receiver from Washington's available.

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Speaker 2: You just took Roman Wilson. Do you like Braylan Allen,

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Speaker 2: the running back from Wisconsin. Do you like Trevin Wallace

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Speaker 4: Who else you got below that?

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Speaker 2: Down down lower at ninety Wait.

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Speaker 4: Did you say Marshawn Nelon. Neiland's there.

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Speaker 2: Marshaw Neeland is top of your board. Yeah. I like

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Speaker 3: He would be a steal at eighty six my opinion. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: let's do it. Okay, add to add to strength, to

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Speaker 3: the strength. Okay, So we got that hour. Dip in

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Speaker 3: got one two three pick one two three. Saints are

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Speaker 2: I want to c J. Stroud's old targets Ohio State.

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Speaker 2: He is a tight end, but a move tight end.

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Speaker 2: Another defensive tackle, Mason with two A Smith out of LSU,

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Speaker 2: Dadrian Taylor Demerson safety from Texas Tech. Now here's an

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Speaker 2: intriguing name. We've taken this name before and we like it.

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Speaker 2: One seventeen running back from New Hampshire, Dylan Lobby. And

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Speaker 2: when you have a running back from New Hampshire available

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Speaker 2: the rule? That is the rule? Hard and fast? But

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Speaker 2: also another linebacker from Texas. I don't know if you

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Speaker 2: I would go Ray Davis, Go Ray Davis. Ray Davis

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Speaker 2: is picked at one twenty three. Now one twenty seven

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Speaker 2: the Vikings for one to two nine. So you move

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Speaker 2: one seventy seven. I want to do that. So you've

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Speaker 2: the tight end is still way down on the board

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Speaker 2: available for you. You want to do it. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 2: do Jared Wiley. All right, So we're taking We're taking

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Speaker 2: the deal and then taking Wiley. Yep, let's do it. Okay.

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Speaker 2: Oh wait, now you got one twenty nine and two

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Speaker 2: forty seven in exchange for one thirty six and two

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Speaker 2: A three. But I think you miss out on Wiley

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Speaker 2: if you do that.

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Speaker 3: Mm.

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Speaker 2: So you want to move back seven but then move

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Speaker 2: up forty three.

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Speaker 3: No, no, let's not move Let's just take Wiley, all right,

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Speaker 3: we just go Wiley.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So we've added a big tight end. Jared Wiley

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Speaker 2: six foot seven man's size and it seems like all

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Speaker 2: his highlights him just settling down in space all by

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Speaker 2: his lonesome and catching the ball. Okay, first pick of

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Speaker 2: the sixth round is one seventy seven. We've acquired that

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Speaker 2: in a trade. Top of the board right now, says

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Speaker 2: Javon Cohen, a guard out of Miami. Evan Williams of

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Speaker 2: safety from Oregon. Yes, I love him. You want to

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Speaker 2: do that? Yes, I like that. He's a Texan. Now

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Speaker 2: as we cycle through all of our picks, we've got

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Speaker 2: one remaining seventh rounder at two forty seven overall top

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Speaker 2: of the board. Tight end, aj Barner, tight end, McCallan,

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Speaker 2: Castle's tight end, Tip Ryman, defensive tackle, John Rie Chroma,

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Speaker 2: James Madison. Yep. I mean there's a bunch of names.

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Speaker 2: What do you have a corner? Well at corner and

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Speaker 2: that's one of the fun things. You go to defense

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Speaker 2: and you can click on cornerback. You've got Micah Abraham

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Speaker 2: from Marshall, Marcellus Dial from South Carolina, Alblade Junior out

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Speaker 2: of Duke. Okay, oh, okay, here's a name, Quantes Stiggers. Yes,

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Speaker 2: cornerback of the CFL from Toronto. Do it. He's probably

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Speaker 2: not gonna.

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Speaker 3: Last that long, right, No, I don't think he is

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Speaker 3: so well Adam Okay, so our tremendous story.

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Speaker 2: By the way, our draft is complete. To rewind, we

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Speaker 2: trade it back. We've got Big bad to and Andre Sweat.

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Speaker 2: He's a fullback who moonlighted as a defensive tackle or

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Speaker 2: vice versa. We've got Roman Wilson, mister separator out of Michigan.

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Speaker 2: Marshawn Neeland. He was a guy who fell to us

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Speaker 2: an edge, really nice player out of Western Michigan. Ray

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Speaker 2: Davis is a running back that you like a lot

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Speaker 2: from Kentucky. Jared Wiley, an enormous tight end from TCU,

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Speaker 2: the safety in Evid Williams, and a quarner in Quantes

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Speaker 2: Stigger plus next year's Brown's second. I think the Browns

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Speaker 2: regress myself. So I think that's gonna be a decent pick.

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Speaker 2: Now you have three second rounders, but go a little

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Speaker 2: bit more into Quantes Stiggers. Please.

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Speaker 3: He ended up going to the CFL, and for whatever reason,

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Speaker 3: there's some NFL rules such that I guess he never

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Speaker 3: entered a draft at any point, so he's still draft eligible.

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Speaker 3: So he decided. Okay, I'm ana, you know, put my

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Speaker 3: name into the into the draft mix. After I want

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Speaker 3: to say. He was Rookie of the Year for the

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Speaker 3: Toronto Argonauts in the CFL. So he ends up going

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Speaker 3: to the Shrine Bowl. East West Shrine Bowl had a

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Speaker 3: really really good East West Shrine Bowl, and before you

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Speaker 3: know it, his name is kind of out there as hey,

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Speaker 3: this guy's got professional football experience. I mean, I know

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Speaker 3: it's it's the CFL. I know it's a little bit different.

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Speaker 2: Game from that matters. It really matters exactly when you're

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Speaker 2: a pro. It as different sports basically, but it still matters.

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Speaker 3: It absolutely matters, and that's I mean, that's that's tremendous stuff.

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Speaker 3: So from that standpoint, getting him in the seventh round,

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Speaker 3: I think he's They're gonna be enough teams that are

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Speaker 3: have to dig in his background. You kind of wonder, like,

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Speaker 3: why did he end up kind of going this route?

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Speaker 3: You know, is there something is there something else there?

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Speaker 3: But man, he is a heck of a player, a

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Speaker 3: really really good player and one of the best names

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Speaker 3: you're gonna find.

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Speaker 2: Quantes Stiggers. Yes, it's a good, like good draft. We

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Speaker 2: have a good draft there, so they're like it, John,

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Speaker 2: I love doing these with you, yeah, man, being with you,

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Speaker 2: my friend. We will do this again sometime very very soon,

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Speaker 2: sometime practically next week, which is what we'll do, all

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Speaker 2: right by