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Speaker 2: I had said I watched u Con three times in
Speaker 2: the regular season. I said, They're not only the best
Speaker 2: team I've saw in college basketball, they are easily the
Speaker 2: best team I saw in college basketball. Listen, there's just
Speaker 2: not many teams in the last twenty years that look
Speaker 2: like this. In the last twenty five years, Yukon has
Speaker 2: won six titles. They are now inevitable the last team
Speaker 2: in college basketball that I remember feeling this way about,
Speaker 2: and I think Yukon is better than this team. Was
Speaker 2: that what twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen Villanova team where you
Speaker 2: had Jalen Brunson, Eric Pascal, Michale Bridges. I don't think
Speaker 2: they had this team's size or this team's depth, but
Speaker 2: you had Jay Wright, three NBA players. They were really,
Speaker 2: really good and it was Villanova. So like Yukon, they're tough,
Speaker 2: East Coast physical. I like the refs letting them play.
Speaker 2: I mean, the first thing that jumped out to me
Speaker 2: in this game, and Jay Wright, who's an excellent broadcaster,
Speaker 2: pointed it out, is that with Klingen, they weren't double
Speaker 2: teaming Zach Edy. So Zach Edy was making tough shots,
Speaker 2: but they weren't allowing. And this is good coaching by
Speaker 2: Dan Hurley. They just didn't give Purdue any three point looks,
Speaker 2: so their guards weren't doing anything, so it was a mismatch.
Speaker 2: Early Yukon's guards were getting theirs lots of open looks
Speaker 2: and fact, the only thing Yukon did not do well
Speaker 2: tonight was hit its open threes. They were okay, they
Speaker 2: hit some, not all of them. Other than that. Yukon
Speaker 2: does not lose when they lead it half. It was
Speaker 2: thirty six thirty and they were forty seven to zero.
Speaker 2: And like the Golden State Warriors, well coached teams come
Speaker 2: out in that first five or six minutes of the
Speaker 2: second half and you can tell they've made changes, alterations,
Speaker 2: and Yukon came out and I felt at halftime, I
Speaker 2: thought Purdue's gonna go on one of these eight to
Speaker 2: zho ten zero runs, which is virtually impossible against Yukon
Speaker 2: because they're so good defensively A and B. They get
Speaker 2: so many second chance offensive rebound points even when they
Speaker 2: miss shots and they get good looks. Yukon does not
Speaker 2: get bad looks. They're ball screening their movement. They come
Speaker 2: down and get great looks almost every time down the floor,
Speaker 2: and if they miss, they get second chance opportunities. So
Speaker 2: it's hard to go in a run with Yukon, and
Speaker 2: that's what Yukon does. Yukon's defense makes yr even makes tough.
Speaker 2: Zach Edie made a lot of shots in the first half,
Speaker 2: but if you go back and look at the last
Speaker 2: four or five minutes of the first half, zach Edie
Speaker 2: looked a little gassed, he looked tired, he was having
Speaker 2: to work for his shots, and they weren't double teaming.
Speaker 2: But they're so physical. And I said this on FS
Speaker 2: one today, I said, Zach Edie's the big, but Clinging's
Speaker 2: a seven footer and everywhere else on the floor, Yukon
Speaker 2: has a size advantage. So it just kind of felt inevitable.
Speaker 2: And Yukon games all look the same. It's like they're
Speaker 2: a heavyweight fighter. First couple of rounds, they feel you out.
Speaker 2: But I think over time it's really difficult to match
Speaker 2: their size, their depth, and their physicality. And Dan Hurley
Speaker 2: has said it, they just wear your ass out. Yukon
Speaker 2: just wears you out. And at one point their guards
Speaker 2: had a twenty nine to twelve advantage, So you know,
Speaker 2: I think what you're looking at is the best college
Speaker 2: basketball program men's are women's right now in the last
Speaker 2: twenty five years. For a while it was Yukon women
Speaker 2: now at South Carolina women, But for the last twenty
Speaker 2: five years, at least in the men's game, Yukon has
Speaker 2: pulled away from Michigan State, Kansas, Duke, Carolina, Villanova, and
Speaker 2: I don't see him slowing down with Hurley's got another
Speaker 2: ten years minimum to coach. I think it's funny. He's intense,
Speaker 2: but unlike a John Calipari and I'll get to that
Speaker 2: in about five minutes. He's got some self awareness. He's
Speaker 2: got a sense of humor. You know, he can be
Speaker 2: a salesman, I'm sure in the recruiting trail, but they
Speaker 2: just coach. Yukon's really well coached. I really feel they
Speaker 2: remind me of of Villanova with Jay Wright. The difference
Speaker 2: is I think Yukon recruits at a higher level. Jay
Speaker 2: Wright made a living out of three star guys playing
Speaker 2: and developing into NBA players. You know, Yukon will go
Speaker 2: out and get four and five star guys. What you're
Speaker 2: looking They didn't. I didn't think Yukon shot the ball
Speaker 2: particularly well. They missed a lot of open threes. But
Speaker 2: there's I mean everything about Yukon. They're coaching their size,
Speaker 2: their movement, their tenacity, their offensive rebounding Situationally. The other
Speaker 2: thing is, and I always feel about this about teams.
Speaker 2: The great teams like make it look pretty effortless. Michael
Speaker 2: Jordan made it look like he's six six. It's not
Speaker 2: the biggest guy on the floor. The best peer shooter,
Speaker 2: why does he get always get great looks? Yukon gets
Speaker 2: really good looks. Their guards, highly experienced, beat you off
Speaker 2: the dribble, break you down. Then they have like math
Speaker 2: advantages going to the basket, they can lob to biggs
Speaker 2: to finish, they go to the corner. They just come
Speaker 2: down in three out of four times they get great looks,
Speaker 2: and again when they miss, they get second chance opportunities.
Speaker 2: There's just nothing else out like it. And the other
Speaker 2: thing is is that the culture. When when Dan Hurley
Speaker 2: was on my show, it was a couple of mondays ago,
Speaker 2: he said something was really poignant. He said, Yukon attracts
Speaker 2: serious people, and that was the new England Patriots dynasty.
Speaker 2: Maybe it's the cold weather. You know, I don't know
Speaker 2: what it is in the Northeast, but not a lot
Speaker 2: of bs like you stores Connecticut. You're going there for basketball,
Speaker 2: You're going there to be coached. You know, a lot
Speaker 2: of these programs out there, you know, like Kentucky basketball
Speaker 2: was a lot of sizzle and not a lot of
Speaker 2: steak under Calipari, you know what I mean. It was
Speaker 2: a lot of look at what our guys make in
Speaker 2: the NBA and look at the recruiting. But in the end,
Speaker 2: it was just it was just accumulating rankings. It wasn't
Speaker 2: about building great teams. The last five or six years.
Speaker 2: Yukon is the opposite of Kentucky. It's not about the
Speaker 2: coach and the suits and the salary, and it's self awareness.
Speaker 2: It's building teams. It's tenacity, it's accountability. I just I
Speaker 2: like everything about Yukon basketball. It's it's old school, and
Speaker 2: you don't have a ton of size in college basketball.
Speaker 2: So Zach Eaedy is a handful. I mean, you know
Speaker 2: the NBA, everybody's everybody's big. Lucas six seven, guards are
Speaker 2: big or thick. You know, threes, Lebron six eight and
Speaker 2: a half, he's a three. Everybody's got size, and you
Speaker 2: don't in college basketball. So Zach Edy just ran through
Speaker 2: this tournament and Purdue's excellent. I think you ran into
Speaker 2: a buzzsaw. It was funny. I a lot of people
Speaker 2: like Purdue in the points tonight, and I thought about
Speaker 2: it with my guys at the Volume and DraftKings. I
Speaker 2: thought about it for about an hour this morning. I
Speaker 2: was going back and forth, and I'm like, what am
Speaker 2: I doing?
Speaker 3: Here.
Speaker 2: What's going to happen is Zaki ed He's gonna get
Speaker 2: his twenty something points. But in the end, you're going
Speaker 2: to get so many offensive rebounds from Yukon. They're going
Speaker 2: to control the glass outside of edy. I mean, if
Speaker 2: you really think about this game, Perdue did what they
Speaker 2: wanted to do. They got both of Yukon's bigs into
Speaker 2: foul trouble, and Yukon couldn't hit open threes. I mean
Speaker 2: it kind of went their way, and they still looked
Speaker 2: like they were absolutely outclassed. After Newton hit that three
Speaker 2: at the start of the second half and it was
Speaker 2: thirty nine to thirty, I just didn't feel at that
Speaker 2: point it was over. They weren't getting Purdue wasn't getting
Speaker 2: enough good open looks on threes. You can tell this
Speaker 2: in sporting events. It doesn't matter what sport it is,
Speaker 2: but you notice a lot in football where team's getting
Speaker 2: first downs, albeit barely. They're just getting over the chain,
Speaker 2: they're barely moving the sticks. They're having to work for
Speaker 2: every first down, and over the course of time, you
Speaker 2: got to get some easy stuff. Yukon gets good looks,
Speaker 2: a lot of open looks, and they didn't hit all
Speaker 2: of them, and they still won. Going away. Way to
Speaker 2: go Yukon. You know, I've said this before, there's so
Speaker 2: much movement in college basketball between the portal and transferring
Speaker 2: and guys leaving early for leagues. I really like what
Speaker 2: Yukon stands for. It's you know, I was there for
Speaker 2: ten to eleven years, went to games. Everybody I knew
Speaker 2: was a Yukon fan. My daughter had a coach when
Speaker 2: she was playing basketball for a few years, and even
Speaker 2: the way they coached, you know, my daughter's like, you know,
Speaker 2: the sixth grade basketball, seventh grade basketball, even the way
Speaker 2: that team coached, hard practices, all out effort physicality. I
Speaker 2: used to love going to my daughter's practice because just
Speaker 2: how hard they practice and and how precise and detailed
Speaker 2: they were, and it's just it's an accountability. They're principled,
Speaker 2: and I like, in a world of transferring and getting mine,
Speaker 2: Yukon stands for all this stuff that I think is
Speaker 2: really important. There's there's a value set of standards for Hurly,
Speaker 2: his dad, his brother and him just an incredibly to
Speaker 2: me an incredibly likable program. They play hard, they play clean,
Speaker 2: and I give the officials I'm going to give them
Speaker 2: some a tip of the cap. We see this a
Speaker 2: lot in championship games or championship fights. Officials back off
Speaker 2: and let you play. That game was really really physical
Speaker 2: in the first half, and the referees let him play. Now,
Speaker 2: eventually Edie creates so much contact. You know, he gets
Speaker 2: a friendly whistle from time to time, but he creates
Speaker 2: so much contact that they're inevitably, invariably they're fouls. And
Speaker 2: you know, Yukon's bigs got into foul trouble, but it
Speaker 2: could have been. They could have been in foul trouble
Speaker 2: much sooner. But the refs let them play, you know,
Speaker 2: let the bigs play, let them battle on the glass.
Speaker 2: Effort wins, depth wins, length wins, and that's where Yukon's at.
Speaker 2: I also want to congratulations to the Huskies and Purdue.
Speaker 2: Good to see a Big ten team. I think it's
Speaker 2: gonna get a monster number. Even though it wasn't a
Speaker 2: close game. You know the Northeast is watching. I hate
Speaker 2: that it's a nine to twenty Eastern tip off for
Speaker 2: college sports, especially you know, for years and years, Monday
Speaker 2: night football started really late. I never loved that, but
Speaker 2: when I lived out East, one of the things I
Speaker 2: pined for was moving back west so I could watch
Speaker 2: games at a reasonable hour. So I don't mind doing
Speaker 2: this right now as I look at mine, So it's
Speaker 2: eight forty three where I'm at, but you know it's
Speaker 2: almost midnight on the East Coast. People have to work tomorrow.
Speaker 2: Don't love that all right? John Middlecoff, former NFL Scout three,
Speaker 2: announced the podcast. Let's start with Caitlin Clark. I watched
Speaker 2: it on a plane. Generally, the great team eats the
Speaker 2: great player. I think Yukon is going to beat Zach Edie.
Speaker 2: I think, I mean South Carolina's bench at one point
Speaker 2: had thirty points. Ioways had none. So the better team. Frankly,
Speaker 2: I thought Yukon women were better than Iowa. I thought
Speaker 2: the last two games Caitlyn Clark just kept him close.
Speaker 2: I've heard Trey Young. She's a better passer than Trey Young.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean it's at this point. Even Lebron came on
Speaker 2: X and said, listen, if you don't like your game,
Speaker 2: stay away from those people. Those people are crazy people.
Speaker 2: Between the continuity and chemistry of women's basketball because they're
Speaker 2: all coming back juniors and seniors, the quality of basketball
Speaker 2: is really good. I mean, but the product's good when
Speaker 2: I watch it.
Speaker 1: I thought these last two games, and listen beside a
Speaker 1: couple of times last year, It's not like I've been
Speaker 1: glued to Caitlyn Clark's season.
Speaker 3: I was riveted.
Speaker 1: I mean that yukon Game one because you think she's
Speaker 1: gonna lose. Yeah, clearly you're playing Geno in all time
Speaker 1: pro and she willed her team to win.
Speaker 3: Colin.
Speaker 1: I was tempted at they were a big underdog. I
Speaker 1: almost gambled on women's college basketball game and it wasn't
Speaker 1: going to be a small amount. But I got obviously
Speaker 1: South Carolina had lost, and you knew earlier, Like God,
Speaker 1: this South Carolina team is loaded with athletes. They had
Speaker 1: five new starters from last year. It's like the Alabama
Speaker 1: of college basketball right now. But she is what I
Speaker 1: don't understand, and I get it. Like I defend the
Speaker 1: guys in the NBA from the eighties and nineties who
Speaker 1: could be negative towards the newer guys. They're not talking
Speaker 1: about Steph Curry and Giannis. They're talking about the percentage
Speaker 1: of guys making these two hundred million dollar contracts that
Speaker 1: should not be making that I'd be bitter too if
Speaker 1: I was them. You saw a lot of former women's
Speaker 1: stars come out. It's like, guys, this is I'm going
Speaker 1: to pay attention to what she does in the WNBA
Speaker 1: now claiming I'm going to get the WNBA package here,
Speaker 1: But she's the first player to get me to pay attention. Obviously,
Speaker 1: college basketball, women's or men's their brand, IOWA brand is
Speaker 1: infinitely bigger than the WNBA as a whole, right, right,
Speaker 1: So it's not it's harder to compare, but she clearly
Speaker 1: has transcended it at all, and she just we don't
Speaker 1: feel and see this that often. Well, right, it happens
Speaker 1: every so often, and especially in a sport like women's
Speaker 1: college bat is cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, Cheryl Miller got twelve million viewers back
Speaker 2: in eighty three. I went and looked it up on YouTube.
Speaker 2: The women's game is much better, but it is a phenomena,
Speaker 2: and phenomenons don't grow to the sky like the numbers
Speaker 2: will come back down to earth. The games that get
Speaker 2: ratings are ones with Caitlin and the game following one
Speaker 2: with Caitlin, which retains about you know, about sixty.
Speaker 1: Fifteen million people are watching these women's college basketball games.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's an incredible ACCOMPLI yeah, and the quality
Speaker 3: is just better.
Speaker 2: But I think Cheryl Miller. I can remember being fascinated
Speaker 2: with Cheryl Miller. Nancy Lieberman was great, but I don't
Speaker 2: know if I was. I wasn't fascinated by her. She
Speaker 2: was just great. But I think Caitlyn's got the magic dust,
Speaker 2: and I don't think you get it very often. I
Speaker 2: think Michael had it. I think Tiger had it. Tiger
Speaker 2: changed my viewing habits on Sunday. The Sopranos and Tiger
Speaker 2: would change my viewing habits. I mean, oh, Tani, I'll
Speaker 2: tell you a guy that had it. I don't know
Speaker 2: how long he had it. But when jose Canseco all
Speaker 2: the steroid rumors came into Major League baseball, I can
Speaker 2: remember getting off a plane in San Diego, going down
Speaker 2: to the luggage carousel, go down the escalator and everybody's
Speaker 2: gathered around the bar and I'm like what I mean,
Speaker 2: like more five deep at an airport luggage. Jose Canseco
Speaker 2: was at the plate, and I can remember going to
Speaker 2: a Mariner's game. I got great seats like a one, two, three, four,
Speaker 2: and the A's were in town. Mariner games didn't sell out.
Speaker 2: Back then, there were fifty thousand people in the Ugly Kingdom,
Speaker 2: So there are for various reasons, some people are controversial
Speaker 2: Connor McGregor, jose Canseco. But I think she falls under
Speaker 2: its magical. It just doesn't look I mean, she did
Speaker 2: a she missed a shot today, but she took a
Speaker 2: step back. I'm like, that's a twenty eight footshot. That's
Speaker 2: Steph and only Steph's range.
Speaker 1: Well, I think when Steph did that at Davidson, it
Speaker 1: was unlike anything we'd ever seen. And obviously he went
Speaker 1: on to become I don't know, a top ten player
Speaker 1: of all time, but it was clear, like I've never
Speaker 1: quite seen anything like this. And maybe this has happened
Speaker 1: in women's college basketball to some form or fashion before,
Speaker 1: but people weren't watching.
Speaker 3: That's not being mean or anything. That's just a fact.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and for whatever reason, this girl got people. And
Speaker 1: I mean, my mom, I'm driving around today, I see
Speaker 1: random people walking around with Iowa T shirts all over Scottsdale.
Speaker 2: It is done.
Speaker 3: It's a powerful thing. I don't know what else to say.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was flying back from Chicago, so the game started,
Speaker 2: and then at halftime that was about the time that
Speaker 2: I could board the flight. But I was sitting there
Speaker 2: in the lounge and I looked over and every single
Speaker 2: person was on their phone watching, and I went to
Speaker 2: grab something to eat, and I just kind of looked
Speaker 2: at everybody.
Speaker 3: Everybody.
Speaker 2: You don't see that in the NBA playoffs. You see
Speaker 2: it in the NFL, where I can literally drive down
Speaker 2: the street in Los Angeles and if I could see
Speaker 2: inside houses on a Sunday night or a Saturday night.
Speaker 2: With the NFL playoffs, everybody's watching, Like every television in
Speaker 2: LA sometimes a dispassionate football town. Everybody's watching. Everybody in
Speaker 2: the lounge. I was in two Man to Women young old,
Speaker 2: so if it got twenty four million people, I would
Speaker 2: not be shocked.
Speaker 1: I think there's something that resonates with people. I mean
Speaker 1: Tiger is a good example. When Phil Knight was following
Speaker 1: his career in high school, right, I mean, Peyton Manning
Speaker 1: could have gone wherever he wanted in high school. Steph Curry, remember,
Speaker 1: couldn't even get recruited to his dad's alma Modern Virginia Tech.
Speaker 1: Now Caden Clark, I think was a different level high
Speaker 1: school project, but like Gino wouldn't call her back. Yeah, so,
Speaker 1: I mean, clearly she feels like one of the great
Speaker 1: girls that would have been at Yukon, that would have
Speaker 1: been at Tennessee under Pat Summit, or at South Carolina,
Speaker 1: but she ended up at Iowa with I don't have
Speaker 1: the scatting report on all the top colleges. It doesn't
Speaker 1: quite feel like their squad is as good as some
Speaker 1: of these other squads from a talent standpoint. Definitely from
Speaker 1: a side standpoint. So what she did is just something
Speaker 1: that we will however her career goes on from here,
Speaker 1: it'll be something that no one will ever forget, which
Speaker 1: is cool, Like that what sports it about having some fun?
Speaker 5: Well?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 2: It's what boxing needs. You know, boxing's been dying, Allie Tyson.
Speaker 2: They just don't have anybody. And you know, the great,
Speaker 2: the great male athletes aren't going into boxing. If they
Speaker 2: want to fight, they go UFC. Sure, but it's just
Speaker 2: you don't get these stories very often you get them.
Speaker 2: I mean, I just I can count you know, two
Speaker 2: hands in my lifetime. I mean, as good as Phil
Speaker 2: Micholson is and he drives me to a TV. But
Speaker 2: I'm a sportscaster. Tiger was different. I always said my mom,
Speaker 2: my late mother, didn't know sport. She was from Great Britain.
Speaker 2: She had no idea who Derek Jeter was. She knew
Speaker 2: who a Rod was. That's a superstar. Sports fans, you know,
Speaker 2: they know who Josh Allen is. My mom knew who
Speaker 2: Brett Farv was, or Peyton Manning was, or Tom Brady was.
Speaker 2: There's a big difference between. There's a lot of good
Speaker 2: basketbas Sue Byrd. I mean there's been like dominant players before.
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, Caitlyn Clark's different. That's a comp that's
Speaker 2: a whole different ball game.
Speaker 1: Can I give you a theory I had on what
Speaker 1: the Dolphins should do after what just happened. So the Bills,
Speaker 1: who I've said the overreaction that they're just gonna suck,
Speaker 1: which maybe they take a huge.
Speaker 3: Step back, but they'll be fu Yeah, by far have.
Speaker 1: The best quarterback who to me is the second best
Speaker 1: quarterback in the league and clearly one of the great
Speaker 1: quarterbacks we've seen in recent memory. Tall it was, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the Dolphins have a big question mark with their quarterback
Speaker 1: who's turned out to be solid but the biggest moments
Speaker 1: these last couple of years has crumbled like a cookie.
Speaker 3: Ye and this year.
Speaker 1: I remember talking to Veach and Andy at the combine
Speaker 1: and they said, and Veach specifically said, when you walked
Speaker 1: out on that playoff game, He's like, that's the coldest
Speaker 1: thing I've ever encountered. I was even nervous just for
Speaker 1: my own guys, even though I knew we had mahomes
Speaker 1: versus them, but I was like, got it and it
Speaker 1: wasn't even close.
Speaker 3: Then they had no shot the Dolphins.
Speaker 1: So now before you give a guy a couple hundred
Speaker 1: million dollars, wouldn't you go no excuses? Now Belichick's with
Speaker 1: his kid in Seattle. You got who knows what New
Speaker 1: England's doing. The Jets, I mean are three pulled hamstrings
Speaker 1: and achilles from be At everyone getting fired, and the
Speaker 1: Bills lost a lot of talent. They just if we
Speaker 1: can't do it this year, I mean, we just had
Speaker 1: it felt like a twenty game lead halfway through the season,
Speaker 1: and then somehow we didn't win the division and they did.
Speaker 1: If we can't win it this year, we can't pay
Speaker 1: this guy. And then, I mean, it's a home playoff game.
Speaker 1: We should win a playoff game. Wouldn't you just play
Speaker 1: this year out? You're already under the cap, like, he's
Speaker 1: already his money, his money this year, my wife pay
Speaker 1: him this year.
Speaker 3: Let's let's kind of do approve it your little flacko style.
Speaker 2: Dak and Tua, in my opinion, will be available on
Speaker 2: the market potentially next year. There's no doubt in my mind.
Speaker 3: I mean, Jered, I would not pay Tua right now,
Speaker 3: given everything that just happened.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't pay back if you start off.
Speaker 3: I think they're hesitant to do that.
Speaker 2: Ye literally, yeah, so I think I think too. Uh.
Speaker 2: I think Tua is gonna be on the market next year.
Speaker 2: By the way, there's gonna be a kirk Cousins level
Speaker 2: guy in the market, one minimum two probably for the
Speaker 2: rest of the years. We do this for a living,
Speaker 2: because it's pretty clear in the NFL now, two quarterbacks
Speaker 2: get you to a super Bowl, a superstar. There's six,
Speaker 2: you know, Stafford Allen, whoever Malmes or a really talented
Speaker 2: young guy on a rookie contract.
Speaker 3: That's it.
Speaker 2: That's the only thing that gets it. So good guys
Speaker 2: getting paid handsomely. Kirk Cousins Dak Tua. You can't pay Tua,
Speaker 2: So I think Tua will be on the market and
Speaker 2: there'll be a team that's like listen, we're stacked everywhere
Speaker 2: else or competency gets rewarded. Kirk Cousins has made more
Speaker 2: money than Tom Brady playing quarterback. Competency plus and that's
Speaker 2: what Dak and kirkar Competency plus gets paid in every business.
Speaker 2: All right, bring in Nick right Lebron James Son is
Speaker 2: an NBA athlete. I don't think right now currently he's
Speaker 2: quite an NBA player. I think they would draft him,
Speaker 2: send him to the G League, give him a year
Speaker 2: and he Mick Cronin said the other day, the UCLA coach,
Speaker 2: he's not as quick or as fast as he was
Speaker 2: pre cardiac arrest. He's not quite the player, but I
Speaker 2: watched him. But I've watched him enough, seen his hops,
Speaker 2: seen his handles. He's got a beautiful jumper. He's got
Speaker 2: a beautiful looking jumper. I like he's jumper better right.
Speaker 5: It looks good he is for his shooting percentage is
Speaker 5: not good, but it doesn't look like there's a problem
Speaker 5: with no.
Speaker 2: In fact, I like it better than his dad's. I
Speaker 2: think his shooting is very natural. Bigger players don't yet generally,
Speaker 2: you know Larry Bird, Katie the exception. A lot of
Speaker 2: times the six or four guys got the perfect jump,
Speaker 2: for the perfect look, the perfect hand size. But here
Speaker 2: here's the thing, and I don't know how necessarily to
Speaker 2: explain this is that this is the worst draft, maybe
Speaker 2: as bad as the Anthony Bennett draft. So as more
Speaker 2: mothers are telling their kids do not play football, more mothers.
Speaker 2: This is in Los Angeles. I have a buddy that
Speaker 2: listened in Brentwood. He's like, I'm like an outcast for
Speaker 2: letting my kids play tackle football.
Speaker 5: I was at the sidebar to it. I was at
Speaker 5: a card game with some Hollywood and finance folks, low
Speaker 5: stakes for they by their standards for sure, or else
Speaker 5: I wouldn't have been able to play in it. And
Speaker 5: there was a very very smart guy there who had
Speaker 5: enough money that he when I was like, how do
Speaker 5: I know this name? I didn't know who he was
Speaker 5: at the time, but I was like, I know this
Speaker 5: name's Drafter. I left the card game, I googled his
Speaker 5: name and I was like, oh, you almost bet you
Speaker 5: almost bet you almost This baseball team like six years ago.
Speaker 5: I want to see the But he said that, like
Speaker 5: he and he was a very sharp guy, and he
Speaker 5: was like, yeah, I don't think football should be legal
Speaker 5: under eighteen years old. And I didn't agree with him.
Speaker 5: But Mike, I'm just echoing your point that there are
Speaker 5: a lot of people that are not letting their kids
Speaker 5: even consider playing tackle football. Particularly I bet it Skew's
Speaker 5: higher income and things like that. But go ahead, as
Speaker 5: you were saying about Brownie.
Speaker 2: Yet you can get brought pretty in the final pick.
Speaker 2: Half the league is undrafted Kurt Warner, Tony Romo and drafted. Yeah,
Speaker 2: the NBA is a global game, and people are suggesting
Speaker 2: they're not three surefire NBA starters in this draft. There's
Speaker 2: two rounds. There's almost no players after the twelfth pick.
Speaker 2: It's a cheaper sport to play. Hockey and football are expensive.
Speaker 2: It's a global sport. Is that saying that the NBA
Speaker 2: is so good it's impossible to make it? Is it
Speaker 2: saying our domestic culture is broken and our players are
Speaker 2: distracted and not skilled enough. How in the world could
Speaker 2: you have a global sport. We don't have a shortage
Speaker 2: of great baseball players, great hockey players, we're having drafts
Speaker 2: like every third draft is talentless.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but I so I think it's actually more the
Speaker 5: first than the second, because the league is more talented
Speaker 5: now than at any point in my lifetime. True, there,
Speaker 5: And so I think it is less that, oh my god,
Speaker 5: there's not good players. It's that the bar for being
Speaker 5: considered a good player these days is so much higher
Speaker 5: than it once was. And your poul Bill Simmons talks
Speaker 5: about this a lot. But like the guys who are
Speaker 5: now ninth men, you know, not that long ago would
Speaker 5: be good starters, good like good. And if you look
Speaker 5: at some teams that we thought of as very good
Speaker 5: teams twenty years ago and look at who they had
Speaker 5: after their top four guys, it's a bunch of huh.
Speaker 5: And so that it's an argument for expansion. It's an
Speaker 5: argument for adding teams to the league because the talent
Speaker 5: level right now is so high. Like you look at
Speaker 5: the Western Conference in the NBA right now, we have
Speaker 5: as we record this, the Lakers and the Warriors are
Speaker 5: the nine and the tend it's insane despite and keep
Speaker 5: in mind, so next year, so think about the Western
Speaker 5: Conference in the NBA next year, and then I want
Speaker 5: to circle back to Brownie for a moment. So Minnesota
Speaker 5: is not going to be worse. I don't know if
Speaker 5: they're gonna be the one seed, but it's not like
Speaker 5: all of a sudden, Minnesota's gonna go away. I'm just
Speaker 5: gonna go down the standings. Denver is here to stay.
Speaker 5: Oklahoma City's only getting better. The Clippers maybe take a
Speaker 5: step back, but if they bring everyone back, why would
Speaker 5: they not maintained about where they are. Dallas seems to
Speaker 5: have figured out the Luca Kyrie thing.
Speaker 2: They're even playing defense in Dallas.
Speaker 5: They're playing defense. Luca's top three player in the league,
Speaker 5: hands down. They're fine. Phoenix yeah, okay, so Phoenix could
Speaker 5: go backwards because of the age of their guys, but
Speaker 5: it's not like they're going to be a disaster. New
Speaker 5: Orleans is a young team, Sacramento is a young team,
Speaker 5: the Lakers, the Warriors, and then you have Memphis with
Speaker 5: John coming back. The Wimby is coming for everybody, and
Speaker 5: Houston was an exciting team. That's thirteen teams. It's fifteen
Speaker 5: teams in the conference, so there's just the teams are
Speaker 5: so talented and so loaded. I think that's about the draft.
Speaker 5: I want to defend the BROWNI thing for a minute
Speaker 5: if I could. So, what if this is Can everyone,
Speaker 5: even the biggest Lebron James critics, acknowledge the guys all
Speaker 5: time basketball IQ wise? Can we at least acknowledge that
Speaker 5: that the guy understands how the game is played and
Speaker 5: understands the NBA as well as anybody ever has. Okay
Speaker 5: for folks arguing, oh my gosh, Lebron's putting his finger
Speaker 5: on the scale. He shouldn't. Why would he do it,
Speaker 5: He's hurting his son long run, he's undercutting it. I
Speaker 5: don't know that this is the math Lebron is doing,
Speaker 5: but it's just an idea. What if Lebron's thought process
Speaker 5: is on this current trajectory in today's college basketball climate,
Speaker 5: my kid is not going to get the development and
Speaker 5: improvement that he needs over the next three years to
Speaker 5: one day be an NBA player. However, if I do
Speaker 5: put my finger on the scale and get a team
Speaker 5: to be at least somewhat invested in his development, then
Speaker 5: by the time I'm gone, he will be good enough
Speaker 5: to be a legitimate, stand on his own two feet
Speaker 5: NBA player. And so not that dissimilar from how Seth
Speaker 5: Curry went undrafted and then bounced around the G League
Speaker 5: for two years, getting multiple chances. I happen to believe
Speaker 5: in part because of who his brother is, and then
Speaker 5: through that development, now he's a legitimate, really good NBA player.
Speaker 5: Would that have happened if he didn't get those opportunities
Speaker 5: that I think he probably got because of who his
Speaker 5: brother was.
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 5: Do I think that is fair? I don't know define fair?
Speaker 5: Is it absolutely what I think I would do if
Speaker 5: I were in Lebron's place? Am I like? Of course,
Speaker 5: if I can help my kid achieve his dream and
Speaker 5: he might not be able to without my help, of
Speaker 5: course I'm going to and uh and and folks whining
Speaker 5: about it, like people in the NBA sell second round
Speaker 5: picks for two million bucks. These are not like the
Speaker 5: hottest come out of these, like oh my god, you're
Speaker 5: gonna waste a second round pick. Teams throw them in
Speaker 5: willy nilly, teams sell them and so yeah, I mean,
Speaker 5: I listen, Bron, what's gonna hurt Brownie is he's six
Speaker 5: to two, and I I know Mannis and Shams and
Speaker 5: other people have said he's an NBA level defender. It's
Speaker 5: just hard to be a great defender in this league
Speaker 5: at that size. I'm not saying he can't be, but
Speaker 5: I don't. I don't think Lebron is doing is being
Speaker 5: unfair to anybody in this circumstance whatsoever.
Speaker 2: I think my my example that makes me laugh the
Speaker 2: most is every time you're driving and you see a
Speaker 2: plumbing truck at oas says Johnson and sons.
Speaker 5: Yeah, of course, I mean this is we can talk
Speaker 5: about it being problematic, but we've only had forty six,
Speaker 5: forty seven presidents in this country. One were father and son,
Speaker 5: but the other one we're uncle and nephew. Like even
Speaker 5: up to presidential the level of this country there's nepotism.
Speaker 5: The NFL and NBA front offices and coaching staffs are
Speaker 5: rife with it. Those last names all being the same
Speaker 5: are not a goddamn coincidence, right, It is because people
Speaker 5: you know, the Kyle Shanahan, you know, being Mike Shanahan's son,
Speaker 5: and his part of history is Mike Lafloor with Matt Lafleur,
Speaker 5: and the I mean the the Brian Callahan. Bill Callahan's
Speaker 5: has two sons that are NFL coaches like, we're used
Speaker 5: to it everywhere and for some reason people are not
Speaker 5: as comfortable with it in sports. But I we haven't
Speaker 5: because we haven't seen this, I guess because nobody's ever
Speaker 5: in the NBA played long enough for this to be
Speaker 5: a real possibility.
Speaker 2: I get asked this a lot. My parents are young people.
Speaker 2: Can you give me advice? And I don't think advice
Speaker 2: is helpful because we all live very separate, different lives.
Speaker 2: Your career and your path is completely different than mine.
Speaker 2: Mine's completely different than Bob Costas. Yours is completely different
Speaker 2: than Bob Costas, Al Michaels and Iron Eagle. Is that
Speaker 2: this is not a doctor or an architect or a
Speaker 2: school teacher. There is no path to being a great comedian.
Speaker 2: Be funnier, you'll find you're on stage and more successful.
Speaker 2: Sing better will ultimately help you with YouTube. And these
Speaker 2: platforms just be better, is the answer. So I talked
Speaker 2: to a young guy today and I said, I didn't
Speaker 2: have Twitter, I didn't have YouTube. That's better than a resume.
Speaker 2: Go show your talent. And I was I was saying
Speaker 2: this when when it's like weight loss, eat less, move more,
Speaker 2: you'll lose weight. It's not scientific. Just google it. And
Speaker 2: I was saying, is one of the things I tell
Speaker 2: young people when I speak to them, is the only
Speaker 2: piece of advice I ever got, I'll give you an opinion.
Speaker 2: If you ask me for an opinion on something, I'll
Speaker 2: give you one that's different. I don't give advice. And
Speaker 2: I said, the only time I've read a sentence and
Speaker 2: that I've shared it with people because it rings true
Speaker 2: to me is when I was a kid, I went
Speaker 2: to a Mariner's game upstairs in the booth and Dave Niehause,
Speaker 2: a pretty well known, established iconic Seattle figure, wrote in
Speaker 2: my magazine, might program the program. Yeah, if you want
Speaker 2: it bad enough, you'll sit here. And I thought, it's
Speaker 2: like it's like the Vegas Dealer. Yep, that's it. The
Speaker 2: advice to all kids. Do you want to be me?
Speaker 2: Because I wanted it so bad I'd step on people.
Speaker 5: To get it well, and and I was so I
Speaker 5: and I wanted it. I literally did want to be you.
Speaker 5: I've told you this story I called, and I've maybe
Speaker 5: told the story on the air before I was twenty
Speaker 5: four years old. Literally literally this is and I'm thirty nine, right,
Speaker 5: so I'm twenty four. So this is fifteen years ago.
Speaker 5: This is not nineteen eighty six, right, this is two
Speaker 5: thousand and nine. In two thousand and nine, I signed
Speaker 5: my first contract. Uh no, that's wrong. Twenty ten, I
Speaker 5: signed my first contract. I was making eight dollars an hour.
Speaker 5: And then my contract was to do mid days in
Speaker 5: Kansas City. This is not a bullshit job. It's not
Speaker 5: the greatest job, right the Kansas are two sports city. Yeah,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. It's a for sports radio.
Speaker 5: It's a good market. Signed a contract to do mid
Speaker 5: days in Kansas City for twenty three eight hundred dollars,
Speaker 5: full time, no benefits, but full time. This was I
Speaker 5: think like when that was allowed, and I was thrilled.
Speaker 5: It was around the same time that I started dating
Speaker 5: my now wife, Like I was thrilled, like I am
Speaker 5: rolling making twenty four grand. And at that time I
Speaker 5: called an agent and said my pitch was this, I'm
Speaker 5: sure you wish Colin Cowherd was your client. He's not,
Speaker 5: and it doesn't appear he's ever going to be. If
Speaker 5: you would like to represent the next Colin Cowherd, you'll
Speaker 5: take me on. That's what I did, and this guy
Speaker 5: started representing me shout out credit to him. Josh Santry
Speaker 5: started representing me when I was in Kansas City making
Speaker 5: twenty four grand, and you know what I mean, helped
Speaker 5: me grow and evolve. And then eventually your agent, Nick
Speaker 5: con hired and I like that. That is so like
Speaker 5: we grew together. Yeah, and the what I so? But
Speaker 5: the I got a little distracted there because that's such
Speaker 5: a to me, a cool story. But the answer is
Speaker 5: you have to be obsessed with it. And this is
Speaker 5: what I tell my daughter, who's a theater major. I'm like, hey,
Speaker 5: any job, They're like, there's a few jobs that are
Speaker 5: the type the types of jobs that win. Little kids
Speaker 5: get asked in class what they want to be. If
Speaker 5: your job that you want is on that list, you
Speaker 5: better be goddamn obsessed with it as an adult or
Speaker 5: else you got no shot. No shot. If it is
Speaker 5: the type of job that people stop you on the stream,
Speaker 5: you're like, oh my god, that's a dream job. The
Speaker 5: only reason that everyone doesn't do it is because people
Speaker 5: don't want to make twenty four grand at twenty five years,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, And they and I don't
Speaker 5: want to act like every and listen, I've been very lucky.
Speaker 5: There is obviously some natural talent associated with success, whatever
Speaker 5: it is, but the number, I'm not denying any of that,
Speaker 5: but that, but what for a lot of people, it
Speaker 5: stops being worth it, And I don't like It's just
Speaker 5: it's like, man, this is a grind. There's not with them.
Speaker 5: You work weekends, you work holidays, you don't make money,
Speaker 5: and it's just not worth it anymore. And so it
Speaker 5: has to be something you have to do is to
Speaker 5: have any chance of succeeding in it. And then once
Speaker 5: it's that, then it is you know, I don't I
Speaker 5: don't you You've always been very complimentary of my talent,
Speaker 5: but I don't actually think I am a talented broadcaster.
Speaker 5: I think I have a very specific talent, which is
Speaker 5: I'm a great arguer. I'm great logically and I'm great with,
Speaker 5: you know, figuring out debating argument points. But I when
Speaker 5: I applied to Syracuse, uh, when I was doing the tour,
Speaker 5: I met with the dean and the dean said, great resume, great,
Speaker 5: you know, SAT's all this stuff. You're the exact type
Speaker 5: of kid we want to have here. Just so you know,
Speaker 5: you'll never be a radio personality of too nasally of
Speaker 5: a voice. It won't work at Syracuse. I got cut
Speaker 5: from the student radio station because I couldn't figure it out.
Speaker 5: Like I it wasn't like some you know, I look
Speaker 5: at Noah Egle, and obviously Noah Egle, I get his
Speaker 5: dad's eyeon Eagle. But the kid is talented. Kid's got
Speaker 5: great voice, got a great presence. Like I'm like, oh,
Speaker 5: he's got real broadcasting talent. I was just wildly obsessed
Speaker 5: with it, wildly obsessed with it, and was like I
Speaker 5: am going to force my way through it, which is
Speaker 5: really how you get from I went from twenty four
Speaker 5: grand a year in Kansas City to the TV show
Speaker 5: on FS one in seven years. From from when I
Speaker 5: signed that contract in Kansas City to when the TV
Speaker 5: show launched in New York City, that was seven years.
Speaker 5: And it was, yes, a ton of good fortune and
Speaker 5: good luck and good timing, but it was just I
Speaker 5: was wildly obsessed with it, which is the number one
Speaker 5: thing you've got to be.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's and that's the best advice is that when people,
Speaker 2: when parents come up and I you know anything that
Speaker 2: you don't want to give them cliches, work hard, read everything,
Speaker 2: you know, be detail oriented and then you kind of
Speaker 2: appease the parents, you know, placate the parents. But it
Speaker 2: really is Jake Laser's talked about this before. The people
Speaker 2: that are great in the NFL, they're crazy, they're.
Speaker 5: Obsessed crazy, right, that's exactly right. And it's that's again
Speaker 5: because that's a dream job. That's a dream job, like
Speaker 5: they're there is no and that's you know, I worry.
Speaker 5: I do worry about my my eighteen year old daughter
Speaker 5: because what she wants to do is about the as
Speaker 5: hard of a field as there is. She wants to
Speaker 5: be an actress. And it's like, okay, even the successful
Speaker 5: ones like struggle for a long time and all of
Speaker 5: these things. But who am I to say, don't follow
Speaker 5: your dreams? Follow your dreams. But it's like, there's if
Speaker 5: you are in the dream chasing business, you gotta chase it,
Speaker 5: like that's the that's the quote that I like. Listen.
Speaker 5: I will support dream chasing as long as you're fucking chasing.
Speaker 5: I won't support dream daydreaming like, oh I want to
Speaker 5: be this, I wonder how it's gonna happen. I gotta
Speaker 5: see that you are that you want it. And the
Speaker 5: other thing if there's young people listening that I that
Speaker 5: I tell them that is different now than you know
Speaker 5: previous eras is you do what is I think good advice,
Speaker 5: because I do get this advice is just do it.
Speaker 5: You want to be a talk show host and you
Speaker 5: don't have a talk show, just pretend the way you
Speaker 5: pretended in your bedroom. Now anyone can pretend on YouTube
Speaker 5: and make the channel private if you want. Like I
Speaker 5: was like, it's not about getting the number of subscribers
Speaker 5: or viewers. It's about the reps. It's about When I
Speaker 5: first started, I thought I was going to be the
Speaker 5: funny guy on the radio. And then I was like, Nope,
Speaker 5: that's not the lane. I need to be ardent, prick.
Speaker 5: That's the lane for me, and it'll work. And so
Speaker 5: like the only way to do it is to do
Speaker 5: it to actually get the reps in. And so yeah,
Speaker 5: that's the advice I give. And then make sure you
Speaker 5: do a little check every six months, be like do
Speaker 5: I still love this? Do I still want to do this?
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