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Speaker 2: I had said I watched u Con three times in

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Speaker 2: the regular season. I said, They're not only the best

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Speaker 2: team I've saw in college basketball, they are easily the

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Speaker 2: best team I saw in college basketball. Listen, there's just

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Speaker 2: not many teams in the last twenty years that look

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Speaker 2: like this. In the last twenty five years, Yukon has

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Speaker 2: won six titles. They are now inevitable the last team

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Speaker 2: in college basketball that I remember feeling this way about,

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Speaker 2: and I think Yukon is better than this team. Was

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Speaker 2: that what twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen Villanova team where you

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Speaker 2: had Jalen Brunson, Eric Pascal, Michale Bridges. I don't think

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Speaker 2: they had this team's size or this team's depth, but

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Speaker 2: you had Jay Wright, three NBA players. They were really,

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Speaker 2: really good and it was Villanova. So like Yukon, they're tough,

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Speaker 2: East Coast physical. I like the refs letting them play.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the first thing that jumped out to me

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Speaker 2: pointed it out, is that with Klingen, they weren't double

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Speaker 2: teaming Zach Edy. So Zach Edy was making tough shots,

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Speaker 2: but they weren't allowing. And this is good coaching by

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Speaker 2: Dan Hurley. They just didn't give Purdue any three point looks,

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Speaker 2: so their guards weren't doing anything, so it was a mismatch.

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Speaker 2: Early Yukon's guards were getting theirs lots of open looks

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Speaker 2: and fact, the only thing Yukon did not do well

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Speaker 2: tonight was hit its open threes. They were okay, they

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Speaker 2: hit some, not all of them. Other than that. Yukon

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Speaker 2: does not lose when they lead it half. It was

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Speaker 2: thirty six thirty and they were forty seven to zero.

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Speaker 2: And like the Golden State Warriors, well coached teams come

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Speaker 2: second half and you can tell they've made changes, alterations,

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Speaker 2: and Yukon came out and I felt at halftime, I

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Speaker 2: thought Purdue's gonna go on one of these eight to

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Speaker 2: zho ten zero runs, which is virtually impossible against Yukon

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Speaker 2: because they're so good defensively A and B. They get

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Speaker 2: get bad looks. They're ball screening their movement. They come

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Speaker 2: it's hard to go in a run with Yukon, and

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Speaker 2: that's what Yukon does. Yukon's defense makes yr even makes tough.

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Speaker 2: Zach Edie made a lot of shots in the first half,

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Speaker 2: But they're so physical. And I said this on FS

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Speaker 2: And Yukon games all look the same. It's like they're

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Speaker 2: has said it, they just wear your ass out. Yukon

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Speaker 2: just wears you out. And at one point their guards

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Speaker 2: I think what you're looking at is the best college

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Speaker 2: twenty five years. For a while it was Yukon women

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Speaker 2: I don't see him slowing down with Hurley's got another

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Speaker 2: ten years minimum to coach. I think it's funny. He's intense,

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Speaker 2: in about five minutes. He's got some self awareness. He's

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Speaker 2: a salesman, I'm sure in the recruiting trail, but they

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Speaker 2: remind me of of Villanova with Jay Wright. The difference

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Speaker 2: is I think Yukon recruits at a higher level. Jay

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Speaker 2: looking They didn't. I didn't think Yukon shot the ball

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Speaker 2: particularly well. They missed a lot of open threes. But

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Speaker 2: there's I mean everything about Yukon. They're coaching their size,

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Speaker 2: really good looks. Their guards, highly experienced, beat you off

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Speaker 2: he said something was really poignant. He said, Yukon attracts

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Speaker 2: Maybe it's the cold weather. You know, I don't know

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Speaker 2: it was just it was just accumulating rankings. It wasn't

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Speaker 2: about building great teams. The last five or six years.

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Speaker 2: Yukon is the opposite of Kentucky. It's not about the

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Speaker 2: like everything about Yukon basketball. It's it's old school, and

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Speaker 2: you don't have a ton of size in college basketball.

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Speaker 2: So Zach Eaedy is a handful. I mean, you know

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Speaker 2: What's going to happen is Zaki ed He's gonna get

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Speaker 2: enough good open looks on threes. You can tell this

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Speaker 2: get you to a super Bowl, a superstar. There's six,

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Speaker 2: you know, Stafford Allen, whoever Malmes or a really talented

428
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Speaker 2: young guy on a rookie contract.

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Speaker 3: That's it.

430
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Speaker 2: That's the only thing that gets it. So good guys

431
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Speaker 2: getting paid handsomely. Kirk Cousins Dak Tua. You can't pay Tua,

432
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Speaker 2: So I think Tua will be on the market and

433
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Speaker 2: there'll be a team that's like listen, we're stacked everywhere

434
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Speaker 2: else or competency gets rewarded. Kirk Cousins has made more

435
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Speaker 2: money than Tom Brady playing quarterback. Competency plus and that's

436
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Speaker 2: what Dak and kirkar Competency plus gets paid in every business.

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Speaker 2: All right, bring in Nick right Lebron James Son is

438
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Speaker 2: an NBA athlete. I don't think right now currently he's

439
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Speaker 2: quite an NBA player. I think they would draft him,

440
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Speaker 2: send him to the G League, give him a year

441
00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:31,080
Speaker 2: and he Mick Cronin said the other day, the UCLA coach,

442
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Speaker 2: he's not as quick or as fast as he was

443
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Speaker 2: pre cardiac arrest. He's not quite the player, but I

444
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Speaker 2: watched him. But I've watched him enough, seen his hops,

445
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Speaker 2: seen his handles. He's got a beautiful jumper. He's got

446
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Speaker 2: a beautiful looking jumper. I like he's jumper better right.

447
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Speaker 5: It looks good he is for his shooting percentage is

448
00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:49,000
Speaker 5: not good, but it doesn't look like there's a problem

449
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Speaker 5: with no.

450
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Speaker 2: In fact, I like it better than his dad's. I

451
00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:55,240
Speaker 2: think his shooting is very natural. Bigger players don't yet generally,

452
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Speaker 2: you know Larry Bird, Katie the exception. A lot of

453
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Speaker 2: times the six or four guys got the perfect jump,

454
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Speaker 2: for the perfect look, the perfect hand size. But here

455
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Speaker 2: here's the thing, and I don't know how necessarily to

456
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Speaker 2: explain this is that this is the worst draft, maybe

457
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Speaker 2: as bad as the Anthony Bennett draft. So as more

458
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Speaker 2: mothers are telling their kids do not play football, more mothers.

459
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Speaker 2: This is in Los Angeles. I have a buddy that

460
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Speaker 2: listened in Brentwood. He's like, I'm like an outcast for

461
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Speaker 2: letting my kids play tackle football.

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Speaker 5: I was at the sidebar to it. I was at

463
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Speaker 5: a card game with some Hollywood and finance folks, low

464
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Speaker 5: stakes for they by their standards for sure, or else

465
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Speaker 5: I wouldn't have been able to play in it. And

466
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Speaker 5: there was a very very smart guy there who had

467
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Speaker 5: enough money that he when I was like, how do

468
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Speaker 5: I know this name? I didn't know who he was

469
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Speaker 5: at the time, but I was like, I know this

470
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Speaker 5: name's Drafter. I left the card game, I googled his

471
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Speaker 5: name and I was like, oh, you almost bet you

472
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Speaker 5: almost bet you almost This baseball team like six years ago.

473
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Speaker 5: I want to see the But he said that, like

474
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Speaker 5: he and he was a very sharp guy, and he

475
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Speaker 5: was like, yeah, I don't think football should be legal

476
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Speaker 5: under eighteen years old. And I didn't agree with him.

477
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Speaker 5: But Mike, I'm just echoing your point that there are

478
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Speaker 5: a lot of people that are not letting their kids

479
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Speaker 5: even consider playing tackle football. Particularly I bet it Skew's

480
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Speaker 5: higher income and things like that. But go ahead, as

481
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Speaker 5: you were saying about Brownie.

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Speaker 2: Yet you can get brought pretty in the final pick.

483
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Speaker 2: Half the league is undrafted Kurt Warner, Tony Romo and drafted. Yeah,

484
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Speaker 2: the NBA is a global game, and people are suggesting

485
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Speaker 2: they're not three surefire NBA starters in this draft. There's

486
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Speaker 2: two rounds. There's almost no players after the twelfth pick.

487
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Speaker 2: It's a cheaper sport to play. Hockey and football are expensive.

488
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Speaker 2: It's a global sport. Is that saying that the NBA

489
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Speaker 2: is so good it's impossible to make it? Is it

490
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Speaker 2: saying our domestic culture is broken and our players are

491
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Speaker 2: distracted and not skilled enough. How in the world could

492
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Speaker 2: you have a global sport. We don't have a shortage

493
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Speaker 2: of great baseball players, great hockey players, we're having drafts

494
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Speaker 2: like every third draft is talentless.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but I so I think it's actually more the

496
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Speaker 5: first than the second, because the league is more talented

497
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Speaker 5: now than at any point in my lifetime. True, there,

498
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Speaker 5: And so I think it is less that, oh my god,

499
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Speaker 5: there's not good players. It's that the bar for being

500
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Speaker 5: considered a good player these days is so much higher

501
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Speaker 5: than it once was. And your poul Bill Simmons talks

502
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Speaker 5: about this a lot. But like the guys who are

503
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Speaker 5: now ninth men, you know, not that long ago would

504
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Speaker 5: be good starters, good like good. And if you look

505
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Speaker 5: at some teams that we thought of as very good

506
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,920
Speaker 5: teams twenty years ago and look at who they had

507
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Speaker 5: after their top four guys, it's a bunch of huh.

508
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Speaker 5: And so that it's an argument for expansion. It's an

509
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Speaker 5: argument for adding teams to the league because the talent

510
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Speaker 5: level right now is so high. Like you look at

511
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Speaker 5: the Western Conference in the NBA right now, we have

512
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Speaker 5: as we record this, the Lakers and the Warriors are

513
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Speaker 5: the nine and the tend it's insane despite and keep

514
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Speaker 5: in mind, so next year, so think about the Western

515
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Speaker 5: Conference in the NBA next year, and then I want

516
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Speaker 5: to circle back to Brownie for a moment. So Minnesota

517
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Speaker 5: is not going to be worse. I don't know if

518
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Speaker 5: they're gonna be the one seed, but it's not like

519
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Speaker 5: all of a sudden, Minnesota's gonna go away. I'm just

520
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 5: gonna go down the standings. Denver is here to stay.

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Speaker 5: Oklahoma City's only getting better. The Clippers maybe take a

522
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Speaker 5: step back, but if they bring everyone back, why would

523
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Speaker 5: they not maintained about where they are. Dallas seems to

524
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Speaker 5: have figured out the Luca Kyrie thing.

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Speaker 2: They're even playing defense in Dallas.

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Speaker 5: They're playing defense. Luca's top three player in the league,

527
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:13,880
Speaker 5: hands down. They're fine. Phoenix yeah, okay, so Phoenix could

528
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Speaker 5: go backwards because of the age of their guys, but

529
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Speaker 5: it's not like they're going to be a disaster. New

530
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Speaker 5: Orleans is a young team, Sacramento is a young team,

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Speaker 5: the Lakers, the Warriors, and then you have Memphis with

532
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Speaker 5: John coming back. The Wimby is coming for everybody, and

533
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Speaker 5: Houston was an exciting team. That's thirteen teams. It's fifteen

534
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:38,880
Speaker 5: teams in the conference, so there's just the teams are

535
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Speaker 5: so talented and so loaded. I think that's about the draft.

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Speaker 5: I want to defend the BROWNI thing for a minute

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Speaker 5: if I could. So, what if this is Can everyone,

538
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Speaker 5: even the biggest Lebron James critics, acknowledge the guys all

539
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:02,399
Speaker 5: time basketball IQ wise? Can we at least acknowledge that

540
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 5: that the guy understands how the game is played and

541
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:09,400
Speaker 5: understands the NBA as well as anybody ever has. Okay

542
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 5: for folks arguing, oh my gosh, Lebron's putting his finger

543
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 5: on the scale. He shouldn't. Why would he do it,

544
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:22,399
Speaker 5: He's hurting his son long run, he's undercutting it. I

545
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 5: don't know that this is the math Lebron is doing,

546
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 5: but it's just an idea. What if Lebron's thought process

547
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 5: is on this current trajectory in today's college basketball climate,

548
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 5: my kid is not going to get the development and

549
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 5: improvement that he needs over the next three years to

550
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 5: one day be an NBA player. However, if I do

551
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Speaker 5: put my finger on the scale and get a team

552
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Speaker 5: to be at least somewhat invested in his development, then

553
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 5: by the time I'm gone, he will be good enough

554
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 5: to be a legitimate, stand on his own two feet

555
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 5: NBA player. And so not that dissimilar from how Seth

556
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 5: Curry went undrafted and then bounced around the G League

557
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 5: for two years, getting multiple chances. I happen to believe

558
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 5: in part because of who his brother is, and then

559
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 5: through that development, now he's a legitimate, really good NBA player.

560
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 5: Would that have happened if he didn't get those opportunities

561
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Speaker 5: that I think he probably got because of who his

562
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Speaker 5: brother was.

563
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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 5: Do I think that is fair? I don't know define fair?

565
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 5: Is it absolutely what I think I would do if

566
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Speaker 5: I were in Lebron's place? Am I like? Of course,

567
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,479
Speaker 5: if I can help my kid achieve his dream and

568
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 5: he might not be able to without my help, of

569
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Speaker 5: course I'm going to and uh and and folks whining

570
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 5: about it, like people in the NBA sell second round

571
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 5: picks for two million bucks. These are not like the

572
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 5: hottest come out of these, like oh my god, you're

573
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Speaker 5: gonna waste a second round pick. Teams throw them in

574
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 5: willy nilly, teams sell them and so yeah, I mean,

575
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Speaker 5: I listen, Bron, what's gonna hurt Brownie is he's six

576
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 5: to two, and I I know Mannis and Shams and

577
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 5: other people have said he's an NBA level defender. It's

578
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 5: just hard to be a great defender in this league

579
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 5: at that size. I'm not saying he can't be, but

580
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Speaker 5: I don't. I don't think Lebron is doing is being

581
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Speaker 5: unfair to anybody in this circumstance whatsoever.

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Speaker 2: I think my my example that makes me laugh the

583
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Speaker 2: most is every time you're driving and you see a

584
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Speaker 2: plumbing truck at oas says Johnson and sons.

585
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, of course, I mean this is we can talk

586
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 5: about it being problematic, but we've only had forty six,

587
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 5: forty seven presidents in this country. One were father and son,

588
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 5: but the other one we're uncle and nephew. Like even

589
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 5: up to presidential the level of this country there's nepotism.

590
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 5: The NFL and NBA front offices and coaching staffs are

591
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 5: rife with it. Those last names all being the same

592
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 5: are not a goddamn coincidence, right, It is because people

593
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 5: you know, the Kyle Shanahan, you know, being Mike Shanahan's son,

594
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Speaker 5: and his part of history is Mike Lafloor with Matt Lafleur,

595
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 5: and the I mean the the Brian Callahan. Bill Callahan's

596
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 5: has two sons that are NFL coaches like, we're used

597
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 5: to it everywhere and for some reason people are not

598
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Speaker 5: as comfortable with it in sports. But I we haven't

599
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Speaker 5: because we haven't seen this, I guess because nobody's ever

600
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Speaker 5: in the NBA played long enough for this to be

601
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Speaker 5: a real possibility.

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Speaker 2: I get asked this a lot. My parents are young people.

603
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 2: Can you give me advice? And I don't think advice

604
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 2: is helpful because we all live very separate, different lives.

605
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 2: Your career and your path is completely different than mine.

606
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 2: Mine's completely different than Bob Costas. Yours is completely different

607
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 2: than Bob Costas, Al Michaels and Iron Eagle. Is that

608
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 2: this is not a doctor or an architect or a

609
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 2: school teacher. There is no path to being a great comedian.

610
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 2: Be funnier, you'll find you're on stage and more successful.

611
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 2: Sing better will ultimately help you with YouTube. And these

612
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 2: platforms just be better, is the answer. So I talked

613
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Speaker 2: to a young guy today and I said, I didn't

614
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 2: have Twitter, I didn't have YouTube. That's better than a resume.

615
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 2: Go show your talent. And I was I was saying

616
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Speaker 2: this when when it's like weight loss, eat less, move more,

617
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 2: you'll lose weight. It's not scientific. Just google it. And

618
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 2: I was saying, is one of the things I tell

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Speaker 2: young people when I speak to them, is the only

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00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 2: piece of advice I ever got, I'll give you an opinion.

621
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Speaker 2: If you ask me for an opinion on something, I'll

622
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Speaker 2: give you one that's different. I don't give advice. And

623
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Speaker 2: I said, the only time I've read a sentence and

624
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 2: that I've shared it with people because it rings true

625
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 2: to me is when I was a kid, I went

626
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Speaker 2: to a Mariner's game upstairs in the booth and Dave Niehause,

627
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 2: a pretty well known, established iconic Seattle figure, wrote in

628
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Speaker 2: my magazine, might program the program. Yeah, if you want

629
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Speaker 2: it bad enough, you'll sit here. And I thought, it's

630
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Speaker 2: like it's like the Vegas Dealer. Yep, that's it. The

631
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 2: advice to all kids. Do you want to be me?

632
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Speaker 2: Because I wanted it so bad I'd step on people.

633
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Speaker 5: To get it well, and and I was so I

634
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 5: and I wanted it. I literally did want to be you.

635
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Speaker 5: I've told you this story I called, and I've maybe

636
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Speaker 5: told the story on the air before I was twenty

637
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Speaker 5: four years old. Literally literally this is and I'm thirty nine, right,

638
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 5: so I'm twenty four. So this is fifteen years ago.

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Speaker 5: This is not nineteen eighty six, right, this is two

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Speaker 5: thousand and nine. In two thousand and nine, I signed

641
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Speaker 5: my first contract. Uh no, that's wrong. Twenty ten, I

642
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:49,839
Speaker 5: signed my first contract. I was making eight dollars an hour.

643
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Speaker 5: And then my contract was to do mid days in

644
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Speaker 5: Kansas City. This is not a bullshit job. It's not

645
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 5: the greatest job, right the Kansas are two sports city. Yeah,

646
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Speaker 5: you know what I mean. It's a for sports radio.

647
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 5: It's a good market. Signed a contract to do mid

648
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Speaker 5: days in Kansas City for twenty three eight hundred dollars,

649
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 5: full time, no benefits, but full time. This was I

650
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:16,720
Speaker 5: think like when that was allowed, and I was thrilled.

651
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 5: It was around the same time that I started dating

652
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 5: my now wife, Like I was thrilled, like I am

653
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 5: rolling making twenty four grand. And at that time I

654
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 5: called an agent and said my pitch was this, I'm

655
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 5: sure you wish Colin Cowherd was your client. He's not,

656
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 5: and it doesn't appear he's ever going to be. If

657
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:44,479
Speaker 5: you would like to represent the next Colin Cowherd, you'll

658
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 5: take me on. That's what I did, and this guy

659
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:52,719
Speaker 5: started representing me shout out credit to him. Josh Santry

660
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 5: started representing me when I was in Kansas City making

661
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 5: twenty four grand, and you know what I mean, helped

662
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Speaker 5: me grow and evolve. And then eventually your agent, Nick

663
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 5: con hired and I like that. That is so like

664
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 5: we grew together. Yeah, and the what I so? But

665
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 5: the I got a little distracted there because that's such

666
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:18,839
Speaker 5: a to me, a cool story. But the answer is

667
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 5: you have to be obsessed with it. And this is

668
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 5: what I tell my daughter, who's a theater major. I'm like, hey,

669
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 5: any job, They're like, there's a few jobs that are

670
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 5: the type the types of jobs that win. Little kids

671
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:41,919
Speaker 5: get asked in class what they want to be. If

672
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 5: your job that you want is on that list, you

673
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 5: better be goddamn obsessed with it as an adult or

674
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 5: else you got no shot. No shot. If it is

675
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,399
Speaker 5: the type of job that people stop you on the stream,

676
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:59,399
Speaker 5: you're like, oh my god, that's a dream job. The

677
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 5: only reason that everyone doesn't do it is because people

678
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 5: don't want to make twenty four grand at twenty five years,

679
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, And they and I don't

680
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:11,720
Speaker 5: want to act like every and listen, I've been very lucky.

681
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 5: There is obviously some natural talent associated with success, whatever

682
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:17,319
Speaker 5: it is, but the number, I'm not denying any of that,

683
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 5: but that, but what for a lot of people, it

684
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 5: stops being worth it, And I don't like It's just

685
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 5: it's like, man, this is a grind. There's not with them.

686
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,720
Speaker 5: You work weekends, you work holidays, you don't make money,

687
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 5: and it's just not worth it anymore. And so it

688
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 5: has to be something you have to do is to

689
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,479
Speaker 5: have any chance of succeeding in it. And then once

690
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 5: it's that, then it is you know, I don't I

691
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 5: don't you You've always been very complimentary of my talent,

692
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 5: but I don't actually think I am a talented broadcaster.

693
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,360
Speaker 5: I think I have a very specific talent, which is

694
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Speaker 5: I'm a great arguer. I'm great logically and I'm great with,

695
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:06,359
Speaker 5: you know, figuring out debating argument points. But I when

696
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 5: I applied to Syracuse, uh, when I was doing the tour,

697
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 5: I met with the dean and the dean said, great resume, great,

698
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 5: you know, SAT's all this stuff. You're the exact type

699
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 5: of kid we want to have here. Just so you know,

700
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 5: you'll never be a radio personality of too nasally of

701
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:26,240
Speaker 5: a voice. It won't work at Syracuse. I got cut

702
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:30,319
Speaker 5: from the student radio station because I couldn't figure it out.

703
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 5: Like I it wasn't like some you know, I look

704
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 5: at Noah Egle, and obviously Noah Egle, I get his

705
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 5: dad's eyeon Eagle. But the kid is talented. Kid's got

706
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 5: great voice, got a great presence. Like I'm like, oh,

707
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:47,760
Speaker 5: he's got real broadcasting talent. I was just wildly obsessed

708
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,839
Speaker 5: with it, wildly obsessed with it, and was like I

709
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 5: am going to force my way through it, which is

710
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 5: really how you get from I went from twenty four

711
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 5: grand a year in Kansas City to the TV show

712
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 5: on FS one in seven years. From from when I

713
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,959
Speaker 5: signed that contract in Kansas City to when the TV

714
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 5: show launched in New York City, that was seven years.

715
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 5: And it was, yes, a ton of good fortune and

716
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 5: good luck and good timing, but it was just I

717
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 5: was wildly obsessed with it, which is the number one

718
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 5: thing you've got to be.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's and that's the best advice is that when people,

720
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Speaker 2: when parents come up and I you know anything that

721
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,800
Speaker 2: you don't want to give them cliches, work hard, read everything,

722
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Speaker 2: you know, be detail oriented and then you kind of

723
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 2: appease the parents, you know, placate the parents. But it

724
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 2: really is Jake Laser's talked about this before. The people

725
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 2: that are great in the NFL, they're crazy, they're.

726
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Speaker 5: Obsessed crazy, right, that's exactly right. And it's that's again

727
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 5: because that's a dream job. That's a dream job, like

728
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 5: they're there is no and that's you know, I worry.

729
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:07,360
Speaker 5: I do worry about my my eighteen year old daughter

730
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:11,319
Speaker 5: because what she wants to do is about the as

731
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 5: hard of a field as there is. She wants to

732
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 5: be an actress. And it's like, okay, even the successful

733
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:21,360
Speaker 5: ones like struggle for a long time and all of

734
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 5: these things. But who am I to say, don't follow

735
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:27,359
Speaker 5: your dreams? Follow your dreams. But it's like, there's if

736
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:33,840
Speaker 5: you are in the dream chasing business, you gotta chase it,

737
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 5: like that's the that's the quote that I like. Listen.

738
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 5: I will support dream chasing as long as you're fucking chasing.

739
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 5: I won't support dream daydreaming like, oh I want to

740
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Speaker 5: be this, I wonder how it's gonna happen. I gotta

741
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 5: see that you are that you want it. And the

742
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Speaker 5: other thing if there's young people listening that I that

743
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 5: I tell them that is different now than you know

744
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:59,360
Speaker 5: previous eras is you do what is I think good advice,

745
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 5: because I do get this advice is just do it.

746
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:03,360
Speaker 5: You want to be a talk show host and you

747
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 5: don't have a talk show, just pretend the way you

748
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:11,360
Speaker 5: pretended in your bedroom. Now anyone can pretend on YouTube

749
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 5: and make the channel private if you want. Like I

750
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 5: was like, it's not about getting the number of subscribers

751
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 5: or viewers. It's about the reps. It's about When I

752
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 5: first started, I thought I was going to be the

753
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 5: funny guy on the radio. And then I was like, Nope,

754
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,800
Speaker 5: that's not the lane. I need to be ardent, prick.

755
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 5: That's the lane for me, and it'll work. And so

756
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 5: like the only way to do it is to do

757
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 5: it to actually get the reps in. And so yeah,

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00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 5: that's the advice I give. And then make sure you

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00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 5: do a little check every six months, be like do

760
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Speaker 5: I still love this? Do I still want to do this?

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Speaker 2: That's good advice the volume. Thanks so much for listening.

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