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Speaker 1: The Book of Joe Podcast is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: Hey there and welcome back. Welcome to the twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: four first episode of the Book of Joe Podcast with Me,

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Speaker 1: Tom Berducci, and Joe Madden. Joe, Happy New Year, Happy

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Tommy, saying back at you, I trust everything

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Speaker 2: as well. I've driven down the coast. I'm setting up

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Speaker 2: in Tampa for the next four months and looking forward

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Speaker 2: to it.

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Speaker 1: As long as we're talking about New Year's Joe resolutions,

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Speaker 1: what's your position on New Year's resolutions.

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Speaker 2: I'm into just making one or two possibly for instance.

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Speaker 2: This for me right now, it's to be more consistent

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Speaker 2: with my driver. That's my nearest resolution. I'm going to

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Speaker 2: be very shallow about Oh, speaking of shall love to

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Speaker 2: Uh My resolution is I mean other parts. I don't

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Speaker 2: much sugar. My sister made too many great cookies over Christmas.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, resolutions. Everybody wants to get in better shape.

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Speaker 2: I get it. We'rether going to try to do that.

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Speaker 2: You know, you're going to stop drinking for a month.

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Speaker 2: I guess that's a big thing these days, but very

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Speaker 2: superficially mine is to become a better driver of the

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Speaker 2: golf ball.

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Speaker 1: I love it. I'll sign me up for that as well. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I want to just split the fairway and

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Speaker 1: going to have to go looking for my ball when

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Speaker 1: I hit it.

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 1: If I can do that two thirds of the time,

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Speaker 1: So happy, yep. I mean, all right, we're talking about resolutions,

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Speaker 1: and a lot of people also, as you say, you know,

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Speaker 1: they want to get back into the gym. I thought

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Speaker 1: you had a great idea about this twenty twenty four

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Speaker 1: baseball season, and it involves the LA Dodgers, okay, because

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Speaker 1: they're the it team right now, Joe, And the resolution

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Speaker 1: for every team now is how do we catch up

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Speaker 1: to the Dodgers. I can't recall, maybe it was the

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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety nine Yankees, the last time team is going

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Speaker 1: to go into a baseball season as such a heavy

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Speaker 1: favorite to be the best team in baseball. And I

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Speaker 1: remember back then with SI we were trying to pick

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Speaker 1: different teams each year, and this was after the Yankees

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Speaker 1: obviously had that great team in ninety eight. It might

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Speaker 1: have been two thousand and one ninety nine, of course,

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Speaker 1: and picking our preseason picks that year, either ninety nine

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Speaker 1: or two thousand. I think the cover was something was

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Speaker 1: like why fight it? You know, we were trying to

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Speaker 1: find reasons to pick other teams, and the Yankees just

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Speaker 1: slapped in the face that, yeah, we're that good, you know,

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Speaker 1: don't try to look for a reason. I think the

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Speaker 1: Dodgers are in that category. But Joe, you had a

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Speaker 1: great idea, and that is exploring a way to beat

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Speaker 1: the Dodgers because on paper, let's face it, they're the

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Speaker 1: chalk going to twenty twenty four, and I realized there's

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Speaker 1: a long way to go in this postseason or off season,

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Speaker 1: still a lot of free agents out there. But let

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Speaker 1: me start with that. Joe, you had this idea. What's

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Speaker 2: Well, like you're talking about there, everybody I think possibly

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Speaker 2: they are who they are. They're very good up and

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Speaker 2: young picture from Japan's there too. They're on paper unbeatable.

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Speaker 2: So for me, when I look at that, the last

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Speaker 2: and here comes the game and the series, and you're

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Speaker 2: We were just talking about the Race before we went

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Speaker 2: They need to go to another division. To be successful.

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Speaker 2: You cannot go with conventional means. You've got to tack them.

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Speaker 2: You You've got to do different things. You got to

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Speaker 2: just play a complete game of baseball. If you're going

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Speaker 2: it's not going to happen. Four games, three game series,

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Speaker 2: which I didn't think was possible. So I think they

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Speaker 2: like I said, a team like the Dodgers. I'm curious

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Speaker 2: now when they play like the Dodgers, where the intimidation

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Speaker 2: this point it's more than ever. And I keep expousing this,

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Speaker 2: but develop your own way of doing things, your own

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Speaker 2: they're going to do and how they're going to do it,

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Speaker 2: and you're not going to compete with that financially. So

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Speaker 2: it compete with them on the field, somehow, beat them,

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Speaker 1: I love that philosophy. Joe, and I go back to

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Speaker 1: something I learned. My dad was a high school football

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Speaker 1: and baseball coach and football teams were just awesome, right.

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Speaker 1: There was no way you were beating our team if

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Speaker 1: different way. That doesn't mean you throw caution to the win.

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Speaker 1: You do things that are stupid, but you take a

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Speaker 1: few more chances. You come up with different game plans.

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Speaker 1: I think the same applies in baseball and a five

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Speaker 1: Dodger straight up, I'm with you, Joe, you're not going

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: Last year they went into the postseason against Arizona with

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Speaker 1: not to say Pitcher. I mean this year, on paper,

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Speaker 1: did they do it? Well? They held Mookie Bets and

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Speaker 1: How did they do that? Brent Strom? Brent Strom is

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Speaker 1: And it gets back to what you're saying, Joe, about

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Speaker 1: So that's how you win when you're the lesser team.

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Speaker 1: In this case, it was attacked the strike zone with

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Speaker 1: that approach and carried throughout the postseason. I think Brent

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Speaker 1: You know, it's about matchups once you get to the postseason,

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Speaker 2: We're talking about just briefly with the fastball. There was

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Speaker 2: a game against the Tigers here in town. James Shields

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Speaker 2: got to start using more off speed pitch. They said, James, no,

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Speaker 1: Put it this way. They've been the best team for

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Speaker 1: All right, Joe, I talked about pitching, and I still

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Speaker 2: Glass now is no He's there's no way to check

429
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Speaker 2: that box and have any idea what he's going to

430
00:21:21,278 --> 00:21:23,078
Speaker 2: do next year regards the number of innings pitch. He

431
00:21:23,198 --> 00:21:25,878
Speaker 2: just he just has it. To this point. The guy's

432
00:21:26,398 --> 00:21:30,278
Speaker 2: really gone a long way, both you know, and stature

433
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Speaker 2: and financially, just because he's got such a great arm

434
00:21:33,118 --> 00:21:35,998
Speaker 2: and then what he does pitch. It's so oppressively good

435
00:21:36,078 --> 00:21:39,238
Speaker 2: that he's gotten to this point without really having done

436
00:21:39,278 --> 00:21:42,558
Speaker 2: a whole lot historically compared to a lot of other

437
00:21:42,598 --> 00:21:44,758
Speaker 2: great pitchers in the major leagues. But they're good with that.

438
00:21:45,198 --> 00:21:46,878
Speaker 2: I'm good with that. That's what Andrew and the boys

439
00:21:46,878 --> 00:21:49,918
Speaker 2: would say. They want am Moto. I think this guy's

440
00:21:49,958 --> 00:21:52,758
Speaker 2: going to be outstanding quite frankly, all you know what

441
00:21:52,798 --> 00:21:55,918
Speaker 2: I've seen on video, and I love what I see

442
00:21:55,958 --> 00:21:58,878
Speaker 2: on video. I know he's not tall, but I love

443
00:21:58,998 --> 00:22:02,038
Speaker 2: where the ball comes out of his shoulder. I think

444
00:22:02,038 --> 00:22:03,838
Speaker 2: he's hard to pick up. And then he's got these

445
00:22:04,238 --> 00:22:06,038
Speaker 2: at all, as they say, a tunnel out of the

446
00:22:06,078 --> 00:22:09,798
Speaker 2: same spot. I think he's got great confidence. I think

447
00:22:09,838 --> 00:22:12,398
Speaker 2: this guy is going to be unbelievably good build. There's

448
00:22:12,438 --> 00:22:14,278
Speaker 2: the key if you can get back and be well.

449
00:22:14,838 --> 00:22:19,118
Speaker 2: But beyond all that glassnew this this this core of

450
00:22:19,278 --> 00:22:21,958
Speaker 2: others that they have, and I know they have this

451
00:22:22,078 --> 00:22:25,798
Speaker 2: core that they've already have, probably have them listed on

452
00:22:25,798 --> 00:22:27,438
Speaker 2: a board somewhere. Who's going to be able to be

453
00:22:28,318 --> 00:22:32,958
Speaker 2: ready in April, May, maybe June, and then here comes July, August, September,

454
00:22:33,198 --> 00:22:35,718
Speaker 2: which the group will be expecting to be ready at

455
00:22:35,718 --> 00:22:37,158
Speaker 2: that time. Who's going to be the guy that's going

456
00:22:37,158 --> 00:22:40,238
Speaker 2: to make this impact in August September for us that

457
00:22:40,278 --> 00:22:41,998
Speaker 2: we're going to hold back hole back hole back to

458
00:22:42,078 --> 00:22:44,638
Speaker 2: the very end. They got it. They got they got

459
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Speaker 2: it laid out, they got it wired, they got the

460
00:22:46,838 --> 00:22:49,438
Speaker 2: numbers down there. They know exactly what to expect from

461
00:22:49,438 --> 00:22:51,758
Speaker 2: these starters, and they're not going to expect anything more.

462
00:22:52,078 --> 00:22:54,118
Speaker 2: I don't think you're going to see David glasnow can

463
00:22:54,198 --> 00:22:56,718
Speaker 2: be pitching probably a no hitter going into the seventh

464
00:22:56,758 --> 00:22:58,598
Speaker 2: and maybe he's got like ninety son pitches. He's going

465
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Speaker 2: to be out. There's going to be no kind of

466
00:23:00,438 --> 00:23:03,358
Speaker 2: a warm, fuzzy there where. Uh you know, let this

467
00:23:03,398 --> 00:23:05,238
Speaker 2: guy give the guy an opportunity to pitch a no

468
00:23:05,398 --> 00:23:08,678
Speaker 2: hitter at the expense of not being there to pitch

469
00:23:08,678 --> 00:23:10,878
Speaker 2: for us in the playoffs this year. It's just I

470
00:23:11,638 --> 00:23:14,318
Speaker 2: firmly believe that. So, yeah, it's all going to be choreographed.

471
00:23:14,478 --> 00:23:19,478
Speaker 2: They're pitching is choreographed. It's hard to argue, but that's

472
00:23:19,478 --> 00:23:21,918
Speaker 2: the kind of guys they hire. They hire guys to

473
00:23:22,118 --> 00:23:25,078
Speaker 2: pitch that way under those circumstances, those number of metings.

474
00:23:25,318 --> 00:23:27,358
Speaker 2: In order to do that, you got to have depth. Man,

475
00:23:27,398 --> 00:23:29,918
Speaker 2: you gotta have good arms in the pen. You have

476
00:23:29,958 --> 00:23:32,638
Speaker 2: to have good arms in triple A, a option optionable

477
00:23:32,718 --> 00:23:35,358
Speaker 2: kind of guys and arms and the reason why other

478
00:23:35,438 --> 00:23:37,838
Speaker 2: other teams can't do that is because their arms aren't

479
00:23:37,838 --> 00:23:40,638
Speaker 2: that good, and furthermore, the depth of the arms isn't

480
00:23:40,638 --> 00:23:42,998
Speaker 2: that good. In furthermore, they don't have the team and

481
00:23:43,038 --> 00:23:45,838
Speaker 2: the base that this team has to you know, push

482
00:23:45,958 --> 00:23:48,318
Speaker 2: like last last year. I mean to win one hundred

483
00:23:48,318 --> 00:23:50,478
Speaker 2: games last year with the group they put out there consistently.

484
00:23:50,998 --> 00:23:52,958
Speaker 2: I kind of just speaks to the to the method,

485
00:23:53,438 --> 00:23:56,478
Speaker 2: to the to the machine that they become. Most of

486
00:23:56,518 --> 00:23:58,358
Speaker 2: the teams cannot do anything near that.

487
00:23:58,718 --> 00:24:00,678
Speaker 1: That's a great point to me. The secret sauce of

488
00:24:00,758 --> 00:24:03,438
Speaker 1: the Dodgers is not the money. Listen, it's great to have,

489
00:24:04,038 --> 00:24:07,318
Speaker 1: but it's their player development system. And you're right, they

490
00:24:07,398 --> 00:24:09,678
Speaker 1: keep you know, whether it's Bobby Miller or Emmitch and

491
00:24:09,918 --> 00:24:12,238
Speaker 1: they've got a ton of guys who've got front of

492
00:24:12,238 --> 00:24:15,318
Speaker 1: the rotation stuff. They're not there yet in terms of development,

493
00:24:15,358 --> 00:24:17,918
Speaker 1: but front of the rotation stuff who will just have

494
00:24:17,958 --> 00:24:19,718
Speaker 1: to pitch out of the back of the rotation for

495
00:24:19,758 --> 00:24:22,758
Speaker 1: the Dodgers, which is the perfect way to bring in pitchers.

496
00:24:23,398 --> 00:24:25,718
Speaker 1: And by the way, Brandon Gomes, their GM, was telling

497
00:24:25,758 --> 00:24:29,198
Speaker 1: me that their pitching staff in double A last year

498
00:24:29,758 --> 00:24:33,678
Speaker 1: had the second highest velocity of any pitching staff in

499
00:24:33,758 --> 00:24:37,678
Speaker 1: baseball that includes major league teams, by the way, second

500
00:24:37,758 --> 00:24:40,198
Speaker 1: hardest throwing out it's in Double A. So they've done

501
00:24:40,198 --> 00:24:44,318
Speaker 1: a great job identifying what I like to think of

502
00:24:44,398 --> 00:24:49,478
Speaker 1: as good athletic pitchers and really getting them to their ceilings.

503
00:24:49,558 --> 00:24:51,758
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about first round guys. It's easy to

504
00:24:51,758 --> 00:24:53,918
Speaker 1: see Garrett Cole at UCLA and say that guy's going

505
00:24:53,958 --> 00:24:57,078
Speaker 1: to be a stud. The Dodgers have done an unbelievable

506
00:24:57,198 --> 00:25:02,078
Speaker 1: job of finding guys, even a Tony Gonsolin type guy

507
00:25:02,558 --> 00:25:06,278
Speaker 1: or Dustin May, you know, later in the draft, and

508
00:25:06,398 --> 00:25:09,678
Speaker 1: really developing those guys and maxing them out and they

509
00:25:09,758 --> 00:25:13,158
Speaker 1: just keep coming. That's really been to me their secret sauce,

510
00:25:13,238 --> 00:25:16,478
Speaker 1: the inventory that allows them to keep governors on their

511
00:25:16,478 --> 00:25:18,958
Speaker 1: starting pitchers. You brought up Yama Modo. I want to

512
00:25:18,998 --> 00:25:21,838
Speaker 1: talk about him a little more. Joe, you mentioned five

513
00:25:21,878 --> 00:25:24,798
Speaker 1: foot ten. As you know, in this game, historically there's

514
00:25:24,798 --> 00:25:28,398
Speaker 1: been a bias against short, right handed pitchers. Now I

515
00:25:28,438 --> 00:25:32,358
Speaker 1: think it's overblown because, first of all, I think there

516
00:25:32,358 --> 00:25:34,998
Speaker 1: haven't been that many to begin with, right I mean,

517
00:25:35,038 --> 00:25:37,358
Speaker 1: there's not many guys who are that short who can

518
00:25:37,398 --> 00:25:40,198
Speaker 1: throw the ball at major league level, so you're dealing

519
00:25:40,238 --> 00:25:43,238
Speaker 1: with a short group of universe of players of that

520
00:25:43,318 --> 00:25:46,038
Speaker 1: type anyway. But I look at him and I see

521
00:25:46,038 --> 00:25:48,478
Speaker 1: a guy who's a pitch maker. This guy knows how

522
00:25:48,518 --> 00:25:51,438
Speaker 1: to pitch. Now, I will caution you, Joe. I think

523
00:25:51,518 --> 00:25:54,518
Speaker 1: watching him throw, he reminds me of Masa Hero Tanaka.

524
00:25:55,078 --> 00:25:57,438
Speaker 1: The fastball is going to get hit in the major leagues.

525
00:25:57,678 --> 00:26:00,118
Speaker 1: He's one of these guys with very flat shoulders when

526
00:26:00,118 --> 00:26:02,198
Speaker 1: he throws his four seam fastball, and that was the

527
00:26:02,278 --> 00:26:04,918
Speaker 1: knock on Tanaka when he came over, and his numbers

528
00:26:04,918 --> 00:26:07,798
Speaker 1: were very similar. Came over at the same age, and

529
00:26:07,838 --> 00:26:09,638
Speaker 1: sure enough in the course of his career, and he

530
00:26:09,678 --> 00:26:13,718
Speaker 1: pitched great for the Yankees, but his four seen fastball

531
00:26:13,758 --> 00:26:17,198
Speaker 1: permitted a slugging of over six hundred in the big leagues.

532
00:26:17,478 --> 00:26:23,038
Speaker 1: So I see Yamamoto very similarly in that the fastball,

533
00:26:23,118 --> 00:26:25,878
Speaker 1: he can't throw it as much as he did in Japan,

534
00:26:26,038 --> 00:26:28,798
Speaker 1: but he doesn't have to because his secondary stuff is

535
00:26:28,878 --> 00:26:31,998
Speaker 1: so good, the big curve ball and especially the splitter.

536
00:26:32,838 --> 00:26:35,638
Speaker 1: Once people see this guy's splitter, I think it's going

537
00:26:35,678 --> 00:26:38,278
Speaker 1: to be almost unanimous that he has the best split

538
00:26:38,318 --> 00:26:42,078
Speaker 1: finger fastball in the game. Better than Gosman, better than Senga.

539
00:26:42,438 --> 00:26:44,798
Speaker 1: I mean it's a complete wipeout pitch. But what I

540
00:26:44,918 --> 00:26:47,998
Speaker 1: like about him again, like a Musina, a David Kohne,

541
00:26:48,118 --> 00:26:51,398
Speaker 1: a Tim Hudson, this guy's a pitch maker. He's an

542
00:26:51,438 --> 00:26:55,478
Speaker 1: athlete on the mound. He's highly competitive. You know, in

543
00:26:55,518 --> 00:26:58,078
Speaker 1: an elimination game last year in the Japan series, he

544
00:26:58,118 --> 00:27:00,638
Speaker 1: wound up throwing almost I think the number was over

545
00:27:00,638 --> 00:27:02,798
Speaker 1: one hundred and forty pitches just refused to come out

546
00:27:02,798 --> 00:27:04,518
Speaker 1: of the game, set an all time record in their

547
00:27:04,598 --> 00:27:08,438
Speaker 1: championship series for strikeouts. I've seen the competitiveness, I've seen

548
00:27:08,478 --> 00:27:11,718
Speaker 1: the pitch making ability. I think this guy's just going

549
00:27:11,758 --> 00:27:15,238
Speaker 1: to be dynamite. I mean, the era is definitely going

550
00:27:15,278 --> 00:27:19,478
Speaker 1: to be below three. I believe high strikeout rate, low walks,

551
00:27:19,958 --> 00:27:21,598
Speaker 1: and yes, so give up some home runs on the

552
00:27:21,598 --> 00:27:23,918
Speaker 1: fourth seamer. But again, he's not going to be throwing

553
00:27:23,958 --> 00:27:25,838
Speaker 1: that forty to forty five percent of the time. The

554
00:27:25,878 --> 00:27:27,798
Speaker 1: secondary stuff definitely plays.

555
00:27:28,198 --> 00:27:30,918
Speaker 2: Yeah. Listen, and I again, I know him just briefly

556
00:27:30,918 --> 00:27:33,078
Speaker 2: from watching him on TV, and all the stuff you

557
00:27:33,398 --> 00:27:36,998
Speaker 2: mentioned right there is absolutely Germane. This guy's got a

558
00:27:37,038 --> 00:27:40,078
Speaker 2: good face. I like the way this guy looks when

559
00:27:40,078 --> 00:27:42,838
Speaker 2: he's out there. I saw him in an interview. Of

560
00:27:42,838 --> 00:27:46,158
Speaker 2: course he wasn't speaking English, but I love the way

561
00:27:46,238 --> 00:27:48,078
Speaker 2: there's a lot of confidence coming out of this young

562
00:27:48,118 --> 00:27:52,318
Speaker 2: man and so again not knowing anything really except it's

563
00:27:52,398 --> 00:27:58,638
Speaker 2: kind of like a scouting feel, even via television whatever video. Man,

564
00:27:59,198 --> 00:28:02,998
Speaker 2: you might be right with his fastball, I'm curious to

565
00:28:02,998 --> 00:28:05,878
Speaker 2: see how that all plays out. But his other stuff

566
00:28:05,998 --> 00:28:10,558
Speaker 2: is that electric, and if he gets these hitters, so

567
00:28:10,718 --> 00:28:13,198
Speaker 2: wary about this other stuff, that fastball is going to

568
00:28:13,198 --> 00:28:17,078
Speaker 2: play even bigger. As you know. Yeah, the size of him.

569
00:28:17,158 --> 00:28:19,118
Speaker 2: I remember, even as a we used to run the

570
00:28:19,118 --> 00:28:21,318
Speaker 2: minor leagues for the Angels for years, and I would

571
00:28:21,958 --> 00:28:23,958
Speaker 2: write down the average height of my right he's and

572
00:28:23,998 --> 00:28:26,758
Speaker 2: the average height of my left handed pitchers, and yeah,

573
00:28:26,758 --> 00:28:28,118
Speaker 2: you're right. I think it was like six ' three,

574
00:28:28,358 --> 00:28:30,638
Speaker 2: right around six y three, even back then, right and

575
00:28:30,758 --> 00:28:33,878
Speaker 2: the pictures were at least that tall average wise, and

576
00:28:33,958 --> 00:28:36,198
Speaker 2: lefties could be shorter than that. Even at that point,

577
00:28:36,358 --> 00:28:38,598
Speaker 2: you're going to get this real tall, abnormal left hander.

578
00:28:38,638 --> 00:28:41,438
Speaker 2: But you got you got the crafty left hander that

579
00:28:41,558 --> 00:28:44,558
Speaker 2: was able to survive more easily or readily because of

580
00:28:44,558 --> 00:28:46,678
Speaker 2: the movement on his pitches and there was shorter left

581
00:28:46,678 --> 00:28:49,598
Speaker 2: handers because of that. In our game today. Sonny Graham

582
00:28:49,598 --> 00:28:54,118
Speaker 2: a big fan. I love Sonny Gray Stroman. You know

583
00:28:54,198 --> 00:28:57,398
Speaker 2: Stroman when he's when he's right on. Man, this guy's

584
00:28:57,438 --> 00:29:00,598
Speaker 2: as good as it gets too, and he's been durable,

585
00:29:00,638 --> 00:29:03,838
Speaker 2: son He's been kind of durable too. Overall. I like

586
00:29:03,998 --> 00:29:06,958
Speaker 2: where his arm comes out of. Talking back to Yamamoto,

587
00:29:07,158 --> 00:29:10,438
Speaker 2: I like where the arm works from, and that's that's

588
00:29:10,438 --> 00:29:12,638
Speaker 2: what I'm also basing this off of. I think there's

589
00:29:12,718 --> 00:29:16,598
Speaker 2: deception in there, trying to remember Tanaka in my head

590
00:29:17,078 --> 00:29:20,638
Speaker 2: if his arm sat was a little bit higher than Yamamoto,

591
00:29:20,758 --> 00:29:25,078
Speaker 2: although it could be very similar, that to me is

592
00:29:25,078 --> 00:29:27,358
Speaker 2: going to matter a lot where the ball comes out

593
00:29:27,358 --> 00:29:29,478
Speaker 2: of to the hitter with him, because I think he

594
00:29:29,518 --> 00:29:32,238
Speaker 2: definitely has it looks like his ability to really ride

595
00:29:32,278 --> 00:29:35,958
Speaker 2: a basketball above two. But again, good face. This guy's

596
00:29:35,998 --> 00:29:38,318
Speaker 2: got good face. And for that and all these other reasons,

597
00:29:38,358 --> 00:29:39,638
Speaker 2: I believe he's gonna have a killer year.

598
00:29:40,398 --> 00:29:44,278
Speaker 1: Well, it was made possible by Shohei Otani. He yeah,

599
00:29:44,318 --> 00:29:45,798
Speaker 1: I mean, let's face it. I mean it was a

600
00:29:45,878 --> 00:29:48,558
Speaker 1: jaw dropping number when we heard seven hundred million dollars

601
00:29:49,478 --> 00:29:52,678
Speaker 1: and then you find out, Well, wait, a second, sixty

602
00:29:52,798 --> 00:29:56,678
Speaker 1: eight million per year is being deferred starting ten years

603
00:29:56,718 --> 00:30:01,558
Speaker 1: down the road without interest. So he said it at

604
00:30:01,558 --> 00:30:04,718
Speaker 1: the press conference, and listen, we are so jaded in

605
00:30:04,718 --> 00:30:07,958
Speaker 1: this world, Joe. We we think any good deed must

606
00:30:07,958 --> 00:30:10,078
Speaker 1: be a trojan horse like this has got to be

607
00:30:10,118 --> 00:30:12,958
Speaker 1: a workaround to the CBT. The Dodgers are cheating the system.

608
00:30:13,438 --> 00:30:15,598
Speaker 1: Show he's getting this when we don't see it. No,

609
00:30:15,838 --> 00:30:18,318
Speaker 1: in this case, it really is this simple. This is

610
00:30:18,318 --> 00:30:21,438
Speaker 1: a guy who this year will be making fifty million

611
00:30:21,478 --> 00:30:25,758
Speaker 1: dollars off the field in endorsements. So he has the

612
00:30:25,798 --> 00:30:28,878
Speaker 1: ability to say, you know what to for ninety seven

613
00:30:28,878 --> 00:30:31,358
Speaker 1: percent of my salary ten years down the road, and

614
00:30:31,398 --> 00:30:34,078
Speaker 1: now I don't even bother give me interest. But he

615
00:30:34,158 --> 00:30:36,238
Speaker 1: did say at the press conference, and listen, you know

616
00:30:36,278 --> 00:30:39,838
Speaker 1: him as well as anybody that he said. He did

617
00:30:39,838 --> 00:30:42,158
Speaker 1: it so that it would help the Dodgers in terms

618
00:30:42,158 --> 00:30:46,238
Speaker 1: of their CBT number, the competitive balance tax, which now

619
00:30:46,278 --> 00:30:50,038
Speaker 1: instead of being a seventy is forty six. Uh So

620
00:30:50,078 --> 00:30:53,718
Speaker 1: that saves the Dodgers a lot in tax money and also,

621
00:30:53,758 --> 00:30:57,118
Speaker 1: as show he said, allows them then to reinvest that

622
00:30:57,358 --> 00:31:01,278
Speaker 1: money in other players to make the team better around him,

623
00:31:01,558 --> 00:31:04,678
Speaker 1: and sure enough they turn around and they get Yamamoto

624
00:31:04,758 --> 00:31:06,998
Speaker 1: the biggest contract in the history of baseball for a

625
00:31:07,118 --> 00:31:11,198
Speaker 1: pitcher only, so you know, Joe getting back to Show Hey,

626
00:31:12,358 --> 00:31:14,918
Speaker 1: I'm surprised that I'm not surprised because of who he is.

627
00:31:15,038 --> 00:31:18,398
Speaker 1: To me, it's I listen again. I'm not trying to

628
00:31:18,438 --> 00:31:20,918
Speaker 1: say this guy's giving up money because he's got so

629
00:31:20,998 --> 00:31:24,638
Speaker 1: much coming in. But it was a very humble gesture.

630
00:31:24,718 --> 00:31:25,758
Speaker 1: That's the way I see it.

631
00:31:25,918 --> 00:31:30,238
Speaker 2: One hundred percent. And when I saw Andrew talk about

632
00:31:30,278 --> 00:31:33,758
Speaker 2: it on a clip whatever, it looked to me like

633
00:31:33,798 --> 00:31:37,078
Speaker 2: he was legitimately surprised by the offer from show Hey

634
00:31:37,118 --> 00:31:40,278
Speaker 2: to do that. Originally, my first thought was that it

635
00:31:40,318 --> 00:31:43,038
Speaker 2: might have been an idea from Andrew to show Hey.

636
00:31:43,078 --> 00:31:45,398
Speaker 2: But then it all appears to me that Show had

637
00:31:45,438 --> 00:31:48,398
Speaker 2: the idea, and he promoted the idea him and Nez

638
00:31:48,878 --> 00:31:51,838
Speaker 2: in order to exactly what you just said, to ensure

639
00:31:51,878 --> 00:31:53,878
Speaker 2: the fact that the Dodgers have a much better chance

640
00:31:53,918 --> 00:31:56,718
Speaker 2: to win now and in the future. One hundred percent,

641
00:31:57,078 --> 00:32:00,078
Speaker 2: that's he's been saying it all along. When you're with

642
00:32:00,278 --> 00:32:05,278
Speaker 2: Show I'm telling you, man, there's no hidden agenda he is.

643
00:32:05,518 --> 00:32:08,598
Speaker 2: He is all about pure intentions, and his main, pure

644
00:32:08,598 --> 00:32:11,318
Speaker 2: intention is to win and to be part of that group.

645
00:32:12,478 --> 00:32:15,678
Speaker 2: He's there to support everybody around him. He's of course

646
00:32:15,678 --> 00:32:18,238
Speaker 2: he's gonna garner the spotlight, it's all the eyes are

647
00:32:18,238 --> 00:32:20,518
Speaker 2: going to come in. But he's in a way he's

648
00:32:20,518 --> 00:32:22,998
Speaker 2: not trying to do that. He's trying to promote everybody else.

649
00:32:23,038 --> 00:32:26,118
Speaker 2: At the same time, he wants to win, to be

650
00:32:26,198 --> 00:32:29,518
Speaker 2: able to collect all these accolades and whatever, and this

651
00:32:29,678 --> 00:32:33,038
Speaker 2: kind of money without winning would be a great void

652
00:32:33,078 --> 00:32:35,838
Speaker 2: in his life as it moves forward. He needs to

653
00:32:35,878 --> 00:32:38,758
Speaker 2: win a World Series in order to validate everything's done

654
00:32:38,838 --> 00:32:41,718
Speaker 2: to this point for him internally, I believe, and probably

655
00:32:41,718 --> 00:32:44,158
Speaker 2: not just one, more than one. And if the first

656
00:32:44,238 --> 00:32:48,478
Speaker 2: one shows up, now you're going to see in action

657
00:32:49,318 --> 00:32:51,918
Speaker 2: the next and I reference this a lot, but the

658
00:32:51,958 --> 00:32:54,238
Speaker 2: next Michael Jordan, the next Larry Bird, or the next

659
00:32:54,238 --> 00:32:56,678
Speaker 2: Magic Johnson, or the next Tom Brady. The way he

660
00:32:56,718 --> 00:32:59,438
Speaker 2: attacks the season and how you're going to see nothing

661
00:32:59,558 --> 00:33:02,438
Speaker 2: different in his prep and how he goes about things

662
00:33:02,478 --> 00:33:05,278
Speaker 2: just because he had won the previous year. After all,

663
00:33:05,438 --> 00:33:08,238
Speaker 2: I mean, like you've been talking about, he's made as

664
00:33:08,318 --> 00:33:10,478
Speaker 2: much money as he possibly ever going to want, and

665
00:33:10,518 --> 00:33:13,478
Speaker 2: he's going to make even more than that. So even

666
00:33:13,518 --> 00:33:16,158
Speaker 2: in spite of that, his motivation is still there to

667
00:33:16,198 --> 00:33:18,718
Speaker 2: play and play hard and to do well. And he's

668
00:33:18,718 --> 00:33:20,718
Speaker 2: a level This comes down to the level five we've

669
00:33:20,718 --> 00:33:24,078
Speaker 2: talked about. All he wants to do is Win's he's

670
00:33:24,158 --> 00:33:26,518
Speaker 2: made his money, he knows he's belonged there for a while.

671
00:33:26,558 --> 00:33:28,478
Speaker 2: And the level four is I want to make as

672
00:33:28,598 --> 00:33:30,918
Speaker 2: much money as I can. He's done that level three

673
00:33:31,518 --> 00:33:33,478
Speaker 2: being I belong here, I can do this. Of course

674
00:33:33,518 --> 00:33:36,318
Speaker 2: he's overcome that years ago. But then he makes the

675
00:33:36,358 --> 00:33:38,438
Speaker 2: money and now there's only one level left for a

676
00:33:38,478 --> 00:33:40,438
Speaker 2: guy like show it. All I want to do is win.

677
00:33:40,878 --> 00:33:43,998
Speaker 2: So the Dodgers have that that that kind of a

678
00:33:44,078 --> 00:33:46,558
Speaker 2: level of a person as a baseball player for the

679
00:33:46,598 --> 00:33:50,078
Speaker 2: next ten years. And I promise you he's never it's

680
00:33:50,118 --> 00:33:51,478
Speaker 2: never going to be where he goes shows up the

681
00:33:51,478 --> 00:33:53,638
Speaker 2: spring training that he does not want to just win.

682
00:33:54,038 --> 00:33:56,718
Speaker 2: That's there, it's embedded, it's it take it to the bank.

683
00:33:56,758 --> 00:33:58,318
Speaker 2: That's who he's going to be. That's who he is.

684
00:33:58,838 --> 00:34:00,998
Speaker 2: So that's what they got. That's what they got, And

685
00:34:01,238 --> 00:34:04,118
Speaker 2: there's no there's no phoniness. It's not a true jin

686
00:34:04,198 --> 00:34:06,878
Speaker 2: horse for anything else. Man, he wants to win, and

687
00:34:06,918 --> 00:34:07,678
Speaker 2: he's going to show you.

688
00:34:08,158 --> 00:34:10,678
Speaker 1: Yeah, listen, I was saying all along, I thought he

689
00:34:10,798 --> 00:34:13,238
Speaker 1: was going to be a Dodger. I've said that at

690
00:34:13,358 --> 00:34:15,838
Speaker 1: least for a year, if not more, because I thought

691
00:34:15,878 --> 00:34:17,838
Speaker 1: the Dodgers could give him everything he wants. They have

692
00:34:17,878 --> 00:34:20,078
Speaker 1: the money to sign a player like that. Let's face it,

693
00:34:20,158 --> 00:34:24,358
Speaker 1: not many teams ken It's Southern California. There was no

694
00:34:24,478 --> 00:34:26,438
Speaker 1: way he was going to be playing for a team

695
00:34:26,478 --> 00:34:30,038
Speaker 1: that plays in poor weather. So it was either Dome

696
00:34:30,198 --> 00:34:34,398
Speaker 1: or Southern California. And the track record of the Dodgers,

697
00:34:34,438 --> 00:34:37,278
Speaker 1: they've been the postseason eleven straight years, We've never seen

698
00:34:37,438 --> 00:34:40,798
Speaker 1: show play a postseason game. We all feel robbed as

699
00:34:40,838 --> 00:34:44,758
Speaker 1: baseball fans of seeing the best players in the game

700
00:34:45,038 --> 00:34:47,358
Speaker 1: play in the postseason. And that goes for Mike Trout

701
00:34:47,358 --> 00:34:49,358
Speaker 1: as well. Got in there once and didn't win a game.

702
00:34:49,998 --> 00:34:52,958
Speaker 1: So that's why, to me, the Dodgers made a lot

703
00:34:52,958 --> 00:34:55,998
Speaker 1: of sense. But I didn't see it coming down this way.

704
00:34:56,118 --> 00:35:00,238
Speaker 1: And kudos to Shohe and Nez for running the free

705
00:35:00,238 --> 00:35:03,838
Speaker 1: agency they did to offer that up to the LA Dot.

706
00:35:04,238 --> 00:35:06,198
Speaker 1: And I've spoken with some agents who actually are not

707
00:35:06,318 --> 00:35:09,358
Speaker 1: happy about it because they think, why should a player

708
00:35:09,478 --> 00:35:11,718
Speaker 1: make it easy on a club like the Dodgers when

709
00:35:11,758 --> 00:35:15,678
Speaker 1: it comes to a financial commitment. But this is the player.

710
00:35:15,918 --> 00:35:18,238
Speaker 1: It's like, when we talked about this, people in the

711
00:35:18,278 --> 00:35:20,958
Speaker 1: media criticizing Show Hey for not running an open book

712
00:35:20,958 --> 00:35:22,678
Speaker 1: when it came to his free agency. He's not that

713
00:35:22,758 --> 00:35:24,678
Speaker 1: kind of a player, and he's not the kind of

714
00:35:24,678 --> 00:35:27,278
Speaker 1: player who's going to get every last drop of money

715
00:35:27,318 --> 00:35:29,838
Speaker 1: out of a team. And again he says he's doing

716
00:35:29,918 --> 00:35:32,758
Speaker 1: just fine, folks. But the way he went about it,

717
00:35:33,598 --> 00:35:36,158
Speaker 1: put it this way, We'll probably never see anything like

718
00:35:36,198 --> 00:35:38,638
Speaker 1: this again. No one has come close to this. Max

719
00:35:38,678 --> 00:35:42,398
Speaker 1: Suers are once deferred half of his salary in Washington

720
00:35:42,478 --> 00:35:44,798
Speaker 1: with a Nationals fifty percent. That had been a record.

721
00:35:44,998 --> 00:35:48,558
Speaker 1: This is ninety seven percent of his salary. It's like

722
00:35:48,638 --> 00:35:51,678
Speaker 1: everything else he does, it's a unicorn of a contract.

723
00:35:52,118 --> 00:35:54,598
Speaker 2: Yeah, there might be some criticism at all, kinds of

724
00:35:54,598 --> 00:35:58,478
Speaker 2: conjecture leading up to these different moments, whether his signing,

725
00:35:58,838 --> 00:36:01,758
Speaker 2: how he went about his signing, etc. But the thing

726
00:36:01,798 --> 00:36:03,838
Speaker 2: I love about him, and even when he left the

727
00:36:04,038 --> 00:36:06,518
Speaker 2: team that time during the season and everybody's concerned about

728
00:36:06,558 --> 00:36:10,358
Speaker 2: he didn't talk to anybody. He always concludes with a

729
00:36:10,438 --> 00:36:12,278
Speaker 2: solid reason. He's not going to leave you a hanging.

730
00:36:12,678 --> 00:36:14,878
Speaker 2: He's going to come back and give you the specifics.

731
00:36:15,158 --> 00:36:17,358
Speaker 2: So there's there's no there's not a whole lot of

732
00:36:17,398 --> 00:36:20,998
Speaker 2: showmanship going on in order to arrive at a certain point.

733
00:36:21,878 --> 00:36:24,078
Speaker 2: There's things he wanted to get done, probably with regarding

734
00:36:24,118 --> 00:36:25,798
Speaker 2: the arm surgery and how to do it or to

735
00:36:25,838 --> 00:36:28,198
Speaker 2: see and then he's going to come back. He's going

736
00:36:28,278 --> 00:36:30,278
Speaker 2: to talk to everybody. Uh, the same thing when it

737
00:36:30,318 --> 00:36:32,598
Speaker 2: came down to his signing. We're going to go through

738
00:36:32,598 --> 00:36:35,558
Speaker 2: this properly with class and dignity. We're gonna treat everybody

739
00:36:35,558 --> 00:36:37,798
Speaker 2: equally well, and then we're done. We'll come back and

740
00:36:37,798 --> 00:36:39,518
Speaker 2: to give you the reason why we did it. So

741
00:36:39,678 --> 00:36:41,918
Speaker 2: he does, he does, It should not it should not

742
00:36:41,958 --> 00:36:44,718
Speaker 2: be a surprise to anybody. That's who he is. It's

743
00:36:44,758 --> 00:36:47,958
Speaker 2: not manufactured, it's it's not convoluted or what it's. It's

744
00:36:47,998 --> 00:36:50,678
Speaker 2: who he is. Uh, we just got to get used

745
00:36:50,678 --> 00:36:50,918
Speaker 2: to it.

746
00:36:51,958 --> 00:36:58,038
Speaker 1: Okay. The Dodgers spent one point two billion dollars on

747
00:36:58,358 --> 00:37:04,638
Speaker 1: three players this offseason, Yamamoto Otani in glass. Now, are

748
00:37:04,638 --> 00:37:08,678
Speaker 1: they good for baseball? We'll tackle that question right after this.

749
00:37:19,638 --> 00:37:21,118
Speaker 1: Joe I think it's great for the game that the

750
00:37:21,238 --> 00:37:24,638
Speaker 1: La Dodgers now are the kind of team that, let's

751
00:37:24,638 --> 00:37:26,478
Speaker 1: face it, they've got a bullseye on them when it

752
00:37:26,518 --> 00:37:28,918
Speaker 1: comes to the other teams, not just because of how

753
00:37:28,918 --> 00:37:31,358
Speaker 1: competitive they are and how locked and loaded they are,

754
00:37:31,478 --> 00:37:34,758
Speaker 1: but because of how they've stepped up with their financial might.

755
00:37:35,118 --> 00:37:38,438
Speaker 1: And if you're in a market like Pittsburgh, Cleveland, I mean,

756
00:37:38,478 --> 00:37:41,478
Speaker 1: you name it, Saint Louis even, you know, you look

757
00:37:41,518 --> 00:37:43,358
Speaker 1: at the Dodgers and say, you know, this game it's

758
00:37:43,398 --> 00:37:47,078
Speaker 1: an unfair game. But first of all, we've talked about

759
00:37:47,438 --> 00:37:51,518
Speaker 1: the postseason and how that the best team doesn't always

760
00:37:52,398 --> 00:37:55,678
Speaker 1: come through on the other side. But let's talk about

761
00:37:55,718 --> 00:37:58,918
Speaker 1: the Dodgers in their payroll, right because they're probably going

762
00:37:58,958 --> 00:38:02,678
Speaker 1: to wind up paying about thirty three thirty five million

763
00:38:02,718 --> 00:38:06,878
Speaker 1: dollars in taxes over the luxury tax thresholds. Last year,

764
00:38:06,918 --> 00:38:10,038
Speaker 1: the New York Mets were way beyond that. They paid

765
00:38:10,078 --> 00:38:13,718
Speaker 1: one hundred million in taxes. The Dodgers are not breaking

766
00:38:13,838 --> 00:38:16,438
Speaker 1: new ground here, folks. You got to put this into

767
00:38:16,518 --> 00:38:19,558
Speaker 1: perspective that what they're paying on salaries here is way

768
00:38:19,678 --> 00:38:22,118
Speaker 1: less than what the Mets paid last year.

769
00:38:22,678 --> 00:38:27,278
Speaker 2: Listen, they created must watch TV all throughout the world.

770
00:38:28,038 --> 00:38:29,598
Speaker 2: Is there a game that you're not going to want

771
00:38:29,638 --> 00:38:33,438
Speaker 2: to watch the Dodgers play. I don't think so, because

772
00:38:33,598 --> 00:38:35,398
Speaker 2: the show is going to be in the lineup every night,

773
00:38:35,558 --> 00:38:37,598
Speaker 2: and because of that alone, they're going to want to

774
00:38:37,598 --> 00:38:40,278
Speaker 2: watch it. From See the Shiny Sea And so it's

775
00:38:40,678 --> 00:38:45,358
Speaker 2: here they've created must watch TV that everyone benefits from. Everybody,

776
00:38:45,878 --> 00:38:51,198
Speaker 2: every team, every organization again, from all the teams in Japan,

777
00:38:51,558 --> 00:38:57,998
Speaker 2: the United States, Dominican, whatever, Venezuela. Every baseball entity benefits

778
00:38:58,038 --> 00:39:01,358
Speaker 2: by this group being put together as they have. It

779
00:39:01,438 --> 00:39:03,358
Speaker 2: is the latter day Yankees. You can talk about the

780
00:39:03,398 --> 00:39:06,918
Speaker 2: Jeter group back in the day that everybody wanted to

781
00:39:06,958 --> 00:39:09,838
Speaker 2: watch and see and cannuc get enough of. This is

782
00:39:09,878 --> 00:39:12,878
Speaker 2: that next group. It is the Beatles. It is all

783
00:39:12,878 --> 00:39:15,998
Speaker 2: those different things wrapped up in a baseball group. And

784
00:39:16,438 --> 00:39:19,238
Speaker 2: with that and I absolutely believe that one hundred percent,

785
00:39:19,678 --> 00:39:22,598
Speaker 2: and that if you are not them and you're going

786
00:39:22,678 --> 00:39:25,478
Speaker 2: to play against them, God, could you got to one

787
00:39:25,518 --> 00:39:27,438
Speaker 2: to have a piece of them? Right? I want a

788
00:39:27,478 --> 00:39:31,238
Speaker 2: piece of them. It's like George mister Costanzo when he

789
00:39:31,358 --> 00:39:33,518
Speaker 2: was going after e Lane on that last spot at

790
00:39:33,558 --> 00:39:36,038
Speaker 2: the end of that one show. You want a piece

791
00:39:36,078 --> 00:39:39,678
Speaker 2: of this? Yeah, you want a piece of this. It

792
00:39:39,718 --> 00:39:43,078
Speaker 2: would be so much fun that the Dodgers Sachet in

793
00:39:43,118 --> 00:39:45,278
Speaker 2: the town or go to Dodger statem would play this

794
00:39:45,318 --> 00:39:49,438
Speaker 2: group from an opposition perspective. To me, that is beautiful.

795
00:39:49,518 --> 00:39:52,558
Speaker 2: I would be all over that. I love that concept.

796
00:39:52,598 --> 00:39:55,438
Speaker 2: I love the idea of having to prepare to try

797
00:39:55,438 --> 00:39:59,078
Speaker 2: to play and beat this team, so there must watch.

798
00:39:59,758 --> 00:40:02,918
Speaker 2: Everyone benefits and if you're in another ball club of

799
00:40:02,958 --> 00:40:07,158
Speaker 2: the organization, wow, what a wonderful opportunity you have to

800
00:40:07,198 --> 00:40:10,078
Speaker 2: go in there and compete against them. And again, that's

801
00:40:10,158 --> 00:40:13,558
Speaker 2: the there's a negative to the Dodgers situation. Everybody's going

802
00:40:13,638 --> 00:40:15,678
Speaker 2: to feel that way about them. Yeah, regardless if they

803
00:40:15,678 --> 00:40:19,598
Speaker 2: become heroes or villains, it doesn't matter. Both sides are

804
00:40:19,598 --> 00:40:21,838
Speaker 2: going to feed them, but it's going to feed the other.

805
00:40:21,998 --> 00:40:24,358
Speaker 2: The opposition is going to be very interesting to see

806
00:40:24,558 --> 00:40:25,998
Speaker 2: all other teams play against them.

807
00:40:26,558 --> 00:40:29,358
Speaker 1: It's so much fun to watch this team and listen.

808
00:40:30,358 --> 00:40:32,838
Speaker 1: Pretend you're Dave Roberts for a second, Joe, and you've

809
00:40:32,878 --> 00:40:35,518
Speaker 1: got three MVPs to the top of your lineup. Would

810
00:40:35,558 --> 00:40:38,558
Speaker 1: you go bets Otani's freeman. I mean you can't lose

811
00:40:38,638 --> 00:40:40,678
Speaker 1: either way, right, And I'm sure I don't know if

812
00:40:40,718 --> 00:40:42,478
Speaker 1: you used to do this, but you check with the

813
00:40:42,518 --> 00:40:44,718
Speaker 1: players and see what their comfort level is where they

814
00:40:44,838 --> 00:40:47,558
Speaker 1: like to hit. I mean, you don't worry about putting

815
00:40:47,558 --> 00:40:50,878
Speaker 1: two lefties together. Lefties rights don't matter with these guys.

816
00:40:50,918 --> 00:40:53,678
Speaker 1: So what are your initial thoughts about their batting order.

817
00:40:54,198 --> 00:40:55,918
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you're right, I would, I would like,

818
00:40:55,958 --> 00:40:57,718
Speaker 2: I would really try to consider it all. I mean,

819
00:40:58,278 --> 00:40:59,998
Speaker 2: some of it could depend on Bets. I mean, if

820
00:41:00,038 --> 00:41:01,518
Speaker 2: I know Bets a couple of years ago was not

821
00:41:01,598 --> 00:41:04,438
Speaker 2: hitting lefties, correct. I don't know if he's changed that

822
00:41:04,518 --> 00:41:04,998
Speaker 2: around or not.

823
00:41:05,198 --> 00:41:07,398
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was kind of a one year anomaly, but

824
00:41:07,438 --> 00:41:09,758
Speaker 1: it was extreme to the point where we thought maybe

825
00:41:09,758 --> 00:41:11,558
Speaker 1: he was ringing a lefty. In the postseason, the pitch

826
00:41:11,638 --> 00:41:12,078
Speaker 1: to him.

827
00:41:11,958 --> 00:41:14,398
Speaker 2: We'll see if if he's actually like on top of

828
00:41:14,438 --> 00:41:17,998
Speaker 2: the lefties. It's nice to put him into make a

829
00:41:18,038 --> 00:41:21,558
Speaker 2: Mookie bet sandwich between O, Tawny and Freeman, because then

830
00:41:21,598 --> 00:41:23,358
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, he's going to see more lefties

831
00:41:23,438 --> 00:41:25,998
Speaker 2: because of that. If in fact that that would if

832
00:41:26,038 --> 00:41:28,798
Speaker 2: you think that would benefit him, because it will not

833
00:41:29,198 --> 00:41:34,718
Speaker 2: bother show a leadoff whatsoever, and have bets behind Show.

834
00:41:34,798 --> 00:41:38,158
Speaker 2: I think that provides protection. And again, if Freeman is

835
00:41:38,198 --> 00:41:41,358
Speaker 2: behind Show, Hey, even though Freeman hits lefties, I don't

836
00:41:41,358 --> 00:41:44,118
Speaker 2: know if it provides the same protection for Show as

837
00:41:44,158 --> 00:41:47,758
Speaker 2: a good right hand hitter with too so I think originally,

838
00:41:47,878 --> 00:41:50,478
Speaker 2: just you know, this is extemporaneously just looking at it,

839
00:41:51,478 --> 00:41:55,078
Speaker 2: I like the idea of Show going first with Mookie second.

840
00:41:55,158 --> 00:41:57,798
Speaker 2: It sets him up. It could protect Showing even a

841
00:41:57,838 --> 00:42:01,318
Speaker 2: little bit more, and then and then take it from

842
00:42:01,358 --> 00:42:04,958
Speaker 2: there whatever comes out after that. To me, that'd be

843
00:42:04,998 --> 00:42:06,758
Speaker 2: kind of an interesting way to look at it from

844
00:42:06,798 --> 00:42:07,318
Speaker 2: the beginning.

845
00:42:07,478 --> 00:42:09,438
Speaker 1: It's interesting. I hadn't thought about that, but that makes

846
00:42:09,438 --> 00:42:11,598
Speaker 1: a lot of sense either way. I'm having those three

847
00:42:11,598 --> 00:42:13,678
Speaker 1: guys at the top of my lineup. Don't overthink it.

848
00:42:13,998 --> 00:42:16,278
Speaker 1: Don't try to find someone you think is a leadoff hitter.

849
00:42:16,438 --> 00:42:19,318
Speaker 1: You know Maximunsey gets on base. No, No, just have

850
00:42:19,438 --> 00:42:21,718
Speaker 1: those three best hitters start the game. You talk about

851
00:42:21,718 --> 00:42:24,798
Speaker 1: pressure on the opponent. Wow. And as a fan, you

852
00:42:24,878 --> 00:42:28,678
Speaker 1: better you better get to Dodger Stadium early for a change,

853
00:42:28,758 --> 00:42:30,438
Speaker 1: because you don't want to miss the bottom of the

854
00:42:30,438 --> 00:42:32,078
Speaker 1: first inning those three guys coming up.

855
00:42:32,238 --> 00:42:34,358
Speaker 2: Well, even batting practice, I mean, my god, they're going

856
00:42:34,398 --> 00:42:37,478
Speaker 2: to be selling that that's a notoriously a late showing

857
00:42:37,558 --> 00:42:41,278
Speaker 2: up early departure ballpark. I'm curious it's going to be

858
00:42:41,398 --> 00:42:42,878
Speaker 2: a little bit different like earlier to show up a

859
00:42:42,878 --> 00:42:45,878
Speaker 2: little bit later departure. Now, when what that does a

860
00:42:45,958 --> 00:42:50,798
Speaker 2: the concession stands, there's just no telling the exponential factor

861
00:42:50,838 --> 00:42:54,398
Speaker 2: is going to be impacted by all of this, just

862
00:42:54,438 --> 00:42:57,198
Speaker 2: based on this group of players alone. I'm again it's

863
00:42:57,438 --> 00:43:01,558
Speaker 2: it's must watch TV and it benefit benefits everybody, and

864
00:43:01,598 --> 00:43:05,358
Speaker 2: again to play against them, gosh to be well, actually

865
00:43:05,398 --> 00:43:08,598
Speaker 2: the division, you know the game, it's a balance schedule now.

866
00:43:08,598 --> 00:43:11,398
Speaker 2: But nevertheless, that would be a lot of fun having

867
00:43:11,438 --> 00:43:12,038
Speaker 2: to prep for this.

868
00:43:12,318 --> 00:43:14,918
Speaker 1: Hey, by the way, I got to bring this up

869
00:43:15,078 --> 00:43:18,398
Speaker 1: show Hey Otani, Besides all the money he's getting, he's

870
00:43:18,398 --> 00:43:20,358
Speaker 1: got a Joe Madden clause in his contract.

871
00:43:20,638 --> 00:43:21,118
Speaker 2: He does.

872
00:43:21,478 --> 00:43:24,518
Speaker 1: He has a clause in his contract that stipulates that

873
00:43:24,558 --> 00:43:30,118
Speaker 1: if Andrew Friedman or principal owner Mark Walter leave the organization,

874
00:43:30,918 --> 00:43:34,998
Speaker 1: he can opt out. And that brings me back to

875
00:43:35,078 --> 00:43:37,598
Speaker 1: you and the Rays and how you wind up in Chicago,

876
00:43:38,438 --> 00:43:40,638
Speaker 1: And I don't know that there's I'm sure there must

877
00:43:40,638 --> 00:43:43,998
Speaker 1: be other examples of this but none come to mind

878
00:43:44,038 --> 00:43:47,358
Speaker 1: right away with this type of clause specifically tied to

879
00:43:48,198 --> 00:43:49,758
Speaker 1: personnel in an organization.

880
00:43:50,358 --> 00:43:52,878
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was my agent, Alan Nero put that in there.

881
00:43:52,918 --> 00:43:56,918
Speaker 2: At that time. And Andrew and I were very close

882
00:43:57,198 --> 00:44:01,918
Speaker 2: and we were kind of really interconnected tightly in the

883
00:44:01,918 --> 00:44:06,598
Speaker 2: way that organization was formed and on and off the

884
00:44:06,638 --> 00:44:10,038
Speaker 2: field with the with the Rays. So but again that

885
00:44:10,118 --> 00:44:12,238
Speaker 2: was all Alan. Of course, I never even thought about

886
00:44:12,278 --> 00:44:14,878
Speaker 2: something like that. And then when Alan, when Andrew took off,

887
00:44:15,358 --> 00:44:17,678
Speaker 2: I got a phone call immediately from Matt Silverman told

888
00:44:17,718 --> 00:44:20,518
Speaker 2: me that this clause had kicked into my contract. The

889
00:44:20,558 --> 00:44:23,478
Speaker 2: other member was Matt Silverman. That was the other one

890
00:44:23,478 --> 00:44:25,718
Speaker 2: of those two guys leaving would permit me then to

891
00:44:25,878 --> 00:44:28,678
Speaker 2: become the the free agent in time that I that

892
00:44:28,758 --> 00:44:33,558
Speaker 2: I became so which with Shohey, it's all about he

893
00:44:33,558 --> 00:44:35,998
Speaker 2: he respects these guys so much. He sees that that

894
00:44:36,038 --> 00:44:40,118
Speaker 2: there's so much part of that group winning uh that

895
00:44:40,318 --> 00:44:42,238
Speaker 2: maybe in his mind's either they will not be able

896
00:44:42,278 --> 00:44:45,598
Speaker 2: to sustain this without those people and personalities in place.

897
00:44:46,918 --> 00:44:48,478
Speaker 2: Don't doubt it. I don't doubt it at all that

898
00:44:48,518 --> 00:44:52,278
Speaker 2: he's he's thought about it to that level. Again, I

899
00:44:52,318 --> 00:44:54,078
Speaker 2: didn't think about it to that level. That was all

900
00:44:54,198 --> 00:44:56,998
Speaker 2: Alan Neiro put that together for me. But retrospectively it

901
00:44:57,078 --> 00:44:58,798
Speaker 2: was it was right on the money, made all the

902
00:44:58,838 --> 00:45:02,078
Speaker 2: sense in the world. However, they've done really well since

903
00:45:02,118 --> 00:45:04,758
Speaker 2: we've all left. I mean, Eric really picked it up.

904
00:45:05,038 --> 00:45:07,438
Speaker 2: Cashi's done a great job. But there was an interim

905
00:45:07,478 --> 00:45:09,958
Speaker 2: period there where they had to rebuild too. But that's

906
00:45:09,958 --> 00:45:11,798
Speaker 2: what it comes down to. It's a little bit of foresight,

907
00:45:12,278 --> 00:45:16,038
Speaker 2: prescient moment on a show's part. But again I had

908
00:45:16,038 --> 00:45:17,678
Speaker 2: to thank g Allen Nero for that moment for me.

909
00:45:18,438 --> 00:45:20,278
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it just goes to show you show

910
00:45:20,318 --> 00:45:22,998
Speaker 1: hey man, he misses nothing because if you sit down

911
00:45:23,038 --> 00:45:26,118
Speaker 1: and think about it, here he is. He really is

912
00:45:26,158 --> 00:45:29,238
Speaker 1: doing the Dodgers a favor. And yes, they basically fell

913
00:45:29,238 --> 00:45:31,758
Speaker 1: out of their chairs when he decided, hey, do you

914
00:45:31,798 --> 00:45:34,198
Speaker 1: guys mind if I defer almost all of my salary.

915
00:45:34,998 --> 00:45:37,798
Speaker 1: So he did a solid for them, right, So, but

916
00:45:37,878 --> 00:45:41,958
Speaker 1: he realizes too that there could come a day where

917
00:45:42,478 --> 00:45:47,358
Speaker 1: ownership changes hands and maybe this humble gesture he made

918
00:45:47,398 --> 00:45:49,438
Speaker 1: by deferring all that money so they can turn it

919
00:45:49,438 --> 00:45:52,598
Speaker 1: around and spend it on other players, is no longer

920
00:45:52,638 --> 00:45:54,718
Speaker 1: in play because the next owner maybe wants to put

921
00:45:54,718 --> 00:45:57,998
Speaker 1: it in his pocket. So that's his way of assuring

922
00:45:58,078 --> 00:46:01,558
Speaker 1: that his intentions are being honored. That if in fact

923
00:46:01,558 --> 00:46:04,198
Speaker 1: there's changed at the top and there's no guarantee that

924
00:46:04,318 --> 00:46:07,478
Speaker 1: someone behind them, either Friedman or Walter runs the team

925
00:46:07,518 --> 00:46:10,718
Speaker 1: the same way, he's got protection. I mean, this guy

926
00:46:10,718 --> 00:46:12,878
Speaker 1: doesn't miss anything. I thought it was a great idea

927
00:46:12,918 --> 00:46:16,358
Speaker 1: to put that in there. And listen, it was Justin Turner,

928
00:46:16,438 --> 00:46:19,438
Speaker 1: the former Dodger, when the details of the contract came

929
00:46:19,478 --> 00:46:23,278
Speaker 1: out with six hundred and eighty million dollars being deferred here,

930
00:46:24,518 --> 00:46:28,078
Speaker 1: Justin put out a tweet basically saying, well, the next

931
00:46:28,078 --> 00:46:30,278
Speaker 1: owners of the Dodgers can figure out that how to

932
00:46:30,278 --> 00:46:33,038
Speaker 1: work it out. And you know it was tongue in cheek.

933
00:46:33,078 --> 00:46:34,958
Speaker 1: I get it, but he's not far from the truth

934
00:46:34,998 --> 00:46:37,678
Speaker 1: that it's so far down the road that could be

935
00:46:37,718 --> 00:46:40,238
Speaker 1: the bill for somebody else. And this is show his

936
00:46:40,358 --> 00:46:44,478
Speaker 1: way of guaranteeing that his intentions are honored as long

937
00:46:44,518 --> 00:46:46,678
Speaker 1: as they're as long as he's there in LA because

938
00:46:46,718 --> 00:46:48,518
Speaker 1: otherwise he has a chance to get out if things

939
00:46:48,598 --> 00:46:49,598
Speaker 1: change that drastically.

940
00:46:49,718 --> 00:46:53,558
Speaker 2: Pretty cool it is, again, You're right, I don't know

941
00:46:53,558 --> 00:46:55,958
Speaker 2: who did the research for him, if he did it himself,

942
00:46:55,998 --> 00:46:59,278
Speaker 2: but somebody's researching for him because he does not. Again,

943
00:46:59,318 --> 00:47:01,678
Speaker 2: he does not miss a thing, doesn't miss a thing

944
00:47:01,758 --> 00:47:05,318
Speaker 2: on or off the field. It is very bright on

945
00:47:05,358 --> 00:47:09,038
Speaker 2: his part. And yeah, kicked it down the road a

946
00:47:09,078 --> 00:47:11,078
Speaker 2: little bit regarding the amount of when the money's going

947
00:47:11,158 --> 00:47:13,878
Speaker 2: to be paid off, But he did consider everything, and

948
00:47:13,918 --> 00:47:15,958
Speaker 2: that's what he does. He always considers everything.

949
00:47:16,358 --> 00:47:19,038
Speaker 1: One last point and this is a minor point, but

950
00:47:19,118 --> 00:47:21,478
Speaker 1: I already start looking at matchups in the postseason. I

951
00:47:21,478 --> 00:47:23,958
Speaker 1: saw the Atlanta Braves made a trade for Chris Sale

952
00:47:24,318 --> 00:47:27,718
Speaker 1: in the Red Sox. My first reaction was, are the

953
00:47:27,758 --> 00:47:30,758
Speaker 1: Red Sox really checking out? Because I realized the guy's

954
00:47:30,758 --> 00:47:34,998
Speaker 1: been hurt a lot, but Chrisdale still has potentially dominating stuff.

955
00:47:35,038 --> 00:47:37,798
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're going for it, you don't trade Chrisale.

956
00:47:38,118 --> 00:47:40,238
Speaker 1: But they did, and they get six years of control

957
00:47:40,278 --> 00:47:42,638
Speaker 1: out of Von Grissom, who could be a good Major

958
00:47:42,678 --> 00:47:46,758
Speaker 1: League infielder slash alfielder. I get it. But the other

959
00:47:46,798 --> 00:47:49,158
Speaker 1: thing that struck me was Chris Sale is left handed,

960
00:47:49,638 --> 00:47:52,718
Speaker 1: and if you're the Atlanta Braves to win the World Series,

961
00:47:52,958 --> 00:47:55,278
Speaker 1: you know you're going to have to go through the Phillies,

962
00:47:55,358 --> 00:47:56,958
Speaker 1: which they have not been able to do the last

963
00:47:56,958 --> 00:48:00,278
Speaker 1: two years, and or the LA Dodgers, and I look

964
00:48:00,318 --> 00:48:03,358
Speaker 1: at both of those teams, Joe, and in a perfect world,

965
00:48:03,518 --> 00:48:07,718
Speaker 1: I want dominant left handed pitching against the Philadelphia and

966
00:48:07,838 --> 00:48:12,878
Speaker 1: Los Angeles lineups. You know, Los Angeles now with Otani Freeman,

967
00:48:13,558 --> 00:48:17,758
Speaker 1: Munsey Autman. Not to say it's a it's a picnic

968
00:48:17,958 --> 00:48:20,998
Speaker 1: as a lefty, but given a preference, I would load

969
00:48:21,078 --> 00:48:22,078
Speaker 1: up on left handed pitching.

970
00:48:22,438 --> 00:48:24,598
Speaker 2: Another question, that's a great pickup on your part. I

971
00:48:24,598 --> 00:48:26,598
Speaker 2: didn't I didn't process all of that, and they already

972
00:48:26,638 --> 00:48:29,758
Speaker 2: have freed there too, right, so there's there may be

973
00:48:29,838 --> 00:48:32,998
Speaker 2: more to come. But a guy like Sale when he's

974
00:48:33,078 --> 00:48:37,238
Speaker 2: right that that arm angle could be devastating. I could

975
00:48:37,238 --> 00:48:39,158
Speaker 2: see the Red Sox given up on that. I mean

976
00:48:39,878 --> 00:48:41,318
Speaker 2: they put a lot of time in with them, a

977
00:48:41,318 --> 00:48:44,558
Speaker 2: lot of injuries, a lot of maybe you know, things

978
00:48:44,838 --> 00:48:47,198
Speaker 2: did not turn out to where they had planned originally. Okay,

979
00:48:47,238 --> 00:48:49,358
Speaker 2: so let's move it forward. I know that I don't

980
00:48:49,358 --> 00:48:51,198
Speaker 2: know the young infield that you're talking about. He's an

981
00:48:51,198 --> 00:48:53,478
Speaker 2: infield the right the kid from Atlanta.

982
00:48:53,558 --> 00:48:56,638
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's probably a natural shortstop. He'll play second base

983
00:48:57,158 --> 00:49:01,198
Speaker 1: for the Boston Red Sox. They you know that praise

984
00:49:01,238 --> 00:49:02,718
Speaker 1: did to have an idea that he was going to

985
00:49:02,718 --> 00:49:04,918
Speaker 1: a platoon with Jared Kelln in left field. They actually

986
00:49:04,958 --> 00:49:07,558
Speaker 1: started having him work in winter ball, some fly balls

987
00:49:07,558 --> 00:49:11,398
Speaker 1: in the outfield. Really good athlete. Hasn't really done much

988
00:49:11,518 --> 00:49:13,158
Speaker 1: in the short period of time of the big leagues.

989
00:49:13,238 --> 00:49:17,358
Speaker 1: But he's still very young, and I'm sure the Red

990
00:49:17,398 --> 00:49:19,358
Speaker 1: Sox see something there that, hey, this guy can be

991
00:49:19,398 --> 00:49:21,478
Speaker 1: an everyday player for us for the next six years.

992
00:49:21,798 --> 00:49:24,438
Speaker 2: Yeah, somebody scotted it even before he got there, like

993
00:49:24,478 --> 00:49:26,318
Speaker 2: even probably out of college or high school where he

994
00:49:26,318 --> 00:49:28,878
Speaker 2: came out of and had some kind of a liking

995
00:49:28,918 --> 00:49:32,878
Speaker 2: to them. With the Red Sox, with their new folks

996
00:49:32,878 --> 00:49:35,838
Speaker 2: in charge of they probably feel as by looking at him,

997
00:49:35,878 --> 00:49:37,878
Speaker 2: there's different things we can do to possibly make him

998
00:49:38,238 --> 00:49:40,118
Speaker 2: into the kind of player that we originally thought he

999
00:49:40,118 --> 00:49:42,358
Speaker 2: would be when we scotted him several years ago. So

1000
00:49:42,518 --> 00:49:44,478
Speaker 2: that's that's what happens in a moment like that. But

1001
00:49:44,518 --> 00:49:48,438
Speaker 2: with Sail, you're right on, I think with the projection

1002
00:49:49,078 --> 00:49:51,278
Speaker 2: left on left, how we beat these guys when he

1003
00:49:51,318 --> 00:49:54,278
Speaker 2: gets to the playoffs. And again, not just to talk

1004
00:49:54,318 --> 00:49:57,358
Speaker 2: about the Dodgers, but to include the Afhillies, in that

1005
00:49:57,478 --> 00:50:00,718
Speaker 2: conversation is pretty right also, So yeah, it's going to

1006
00:50:00,798 --> 00:50:04,278
Speaker 2: be interesting to see. Listen, I'm sale when sales rightious

1007
00:50:04,318 --> 00:50:06,278
Speaker 2: man's that's like kind of I don't want to say

1008
00:50:06,278 --> 00:50:09,238
Speaker 2: a poor man's Randy Johnson, but gosh, it's not far off.

1009
00:50:09,518 --> 00:50:13,678
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, he listened if I'm and the Dodgers, like

1010
00:50:13,718 --> 00:50:15,358
Speaker 1: a lot of teams, are like this. You want swing

1011
00:50:15,438 --> 00:50:17,918
Speaker 1: and miss stuff in the postseason, and that's Glass, now,

1012
00:50:17,918 --> 00:50:22,158
Speaker 1: that's Bueller, that's Yamamoto. And Chris Dale when he's healthy,

1013
00:50:22,238 --> 00:50:24,838
Speaker 1: has swing and miss stuff. There's no question about that.

1014
00:50:24,838 --> 00:50:28,798
Speaker 1: That's again, give me a five inning starting pitcher who

1015
00:50:28,838 --> 00:50:32,118
Speaker 1: misses bats and and you take it from there with

1016
00:50:32,158 --> 00:50:35,158
Speaker 1: the off days and a full rested bullpen in the postseason.

1017
00:50:35,718 --> 00:50:38,318
Speaker 1: One last thing here is we talk about the Dodgers, Joe,

1018
00:50:38,398 --> 00:50:40,998
Speaker 1: they might not be done because when they signed Otani,

1019
00:50:41,838 --> 00:50:44,358
Speaker 1: I was told by a Dodgers source that their next

1020
00:50:44,358 --> 00:50:49,038
Speaker 1: two targets were Yamamoto, who they did sign, and Josh Hater.

1021
00:50:50,398 --> 00:50:54,358
Speaker 1: How about if the Dodgers add Josh Hater to this team.

1022
00:50:54,758 --> 00:50:57,038
Speaker 1: Because I don't know about you, but you know, and

1023
00:50:57,078 --> 00:50:59,558
Speaker 1: I know Josh Hater is talking about Edwin Diaz's money

1024
00:50:59,638 --> 00:51:03,038
Speaker 1: twenty million a year times five years. Josh Hater right

1025
00:51:03,038 --> 00:51:05,758
Speaker 1: now is having a career very analogous to Billy Wagner,

1026
00:51:06,078 --> 00:51:08,638
Speaker 1: and Billy Wagner pitched for a long time the way

1027
00:51:08,638 --> 00:51:11,918
Speaker 1: that he did with that extreme attack angle from the

1028
00:51:11,918 --> 00:51:15,398
Speaker 1: low armslot, high strike zone, high ve low. A lot

1029
00:51:15,438 --> 00:51:19,638
Speaker 1: of similarities there with Josh Hater. Listen, twenty million dollars

1030
00:51:19,678 --> 00:51:22,958
Speaker 1: a year, that's what the qualifying offer was this year.

1031
00:51:23,598 --> 00:51:27,958
Speaker 1: And there's only a handful of to me, pure closers

1032
00:51:28,078 --> 00:51:31,238
Speaker 1: in the game. I'm like change game changing closers, just

1033
00:51:31,318 --> 00:51:34,758
Speaker 1: like true aces. There's not thirty of them. Josh Hater

1034
00:51:34,918 --> 00:51:36,518
Speaker 1: is that kind of guy. And you know this, Joe's

1035
00:51:36,558 --> 00:51:38,518
Speaker 1: a manager and you didn't have it very often, but

1036
00:51:38,558 --> 00:51:42,238
Speaker 1: when you have that one ending, lockdown guy that makes

1037
00:51:42,358 --> 00:51:46,398
Speaker 1: life so easy, everybody just slots into their roles. The

1038
00:51:46,518 --> 00:51:50,078
Speaker 1: formula is set. You know, you don't have the uncertainty

1039
00:51:50,118 --> 00:51:53,398
Speaker 1: of when that bullpen phone rings, who's up. Josh Hater

1040
00:51:53,558 --> 00:51:55,518
Speaker 1: is the last piece on that team. It wouldn't shock

1041
00:51:55,598 --> 00:51:59,158
Speaker 1: me to see the Dodgers wind up with him. Listen.

1042
00:51:59,198 --> 00:52:01,558
Speaker 1: I think he's a great fit for Texas. There's some

1043
00:52:01,598 --> 00:52:03,318
Speaker 1: other teams in the mix here that I'm sure will

1044
00:52:03,318 --> 00:52:05,798
Speaker 1: make a runned hit him. But I think Josh hater

1045
00:52:05,958 --> 00:52:07,998
Speaker 1: is a goodbye. If that's what the number is. If

1046
00:52:08,038 --> 00:52:11,358
Speaker 1: it's Edwin DIA's money, I think that highly of what

1047
00:52:11,838 --> 00:52:14,358
Speaker 1: a true closer can mean for a team that wants

1048
00:52:14,358 --> 00:52:15,358
Speaker 1: to win the World Series.

1049
00:52:15,878 --> 00:52:17,918
Speaker 2: That's what's going to take. He'll get that from the Dodgers,

1050
00:52:18,038 --> 00:52:20,998
Speaker 2: Edwin Diaz money. He'll get it. He is that good.

1051
00:52:21,238 --> 00:52:23,518
Speaker 2: He's that good. You watch it from the other dugout.

1052
00:52:24,798 --> 00:52:29,958
Speaker 2: It's it's incredibly difficult to swear up left these en rightings.

1053
00:52:29,998 --> 00:52:32,158
Speaker 2: I mean sometimes even think that the writings it's a

1054
00:52:32,158 --> 00:52:33,918
Speaker 2: more difficult time for the right than the lefty, at

1055
00:52:33,998 --> 00:52:36,438
Speaker 2: least the lefty. The ball can come flat across the

1056
00:52:36,478 --> 00:52:39,238
Speaker 2: strikes on if you if you have the propense in

1057
00:52:39,238 --> 00:52:42,558
Speaker 2: your ability to hit the high fastball, which some lefties

1058
00:52:42,558 --> 00:52:45,118
Speaker 2: can get on top of, like Show, Hey, you could

1059
00:52:45,158 --> 00:52:48,598
Speaker 2: catch up to a guy like him. Possibly, but wow,

1060
00:52:49,678 --> 00:52:51,518
Speaker 2: I definitely say that being I don't I don't think

1061
00:52:51,518 --> 00:52:54,718
Speaker 2: that money that edgrew would run away from that money.

1062
00:52:54,838 --> 00:52:56,838
Speaker 2: I think that they would easily pay for that based

1063
00:52:56,838 --> 00:53:01,838
Speaker 2: on uh, you know, Show Hayes' willingness to defer this

1064
00:53:01,958 --> 00:53:04,758
Speaker 2: gives him while so many other options they thought they

1065
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Speaker 2: didn't even have. Before all this started last October November,

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Speaker 2: they were probably not even including here in the conversation

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Speaker 2: because they thought it would not be within their reach

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Speaker 2: based on that to pay show. But now because of

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Speaker 2: the contract that he did sign or didn't sign, this

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Speaker 2: absolutely opens up paid and I don't think that number

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Speaker 1: I know this that whether they get hater or not,

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Speaker 1: and you talked about this, shows they're the team this year,

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Speaker 1: the Dodgers. You're gonna want to watch them play, yep,

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Speaker 1: you know, all year long, just to see that lineup

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Speaker 1: and action, to see each time somebody goes to the

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Speaker 1: mound with wipeout stuff. They're just absolutely a loaded team,

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Speaker 1: and I think that's great for baseball. It's the fact

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Speaker 1: that they're in Los Angeles and the rich history of

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Speaker 1: the Dodger franchise. Yeah, that adds to it as well.

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Speaker 1: But it's good for baseball to have a super team

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Speaker 1: like this. Whether they win it all or not, we've

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Speaker 1: talked about that. No guarantees, but man, I can't wait

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Speaker 1: to see this team in action. It is good for

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Speaker 1: Major League Baseball.

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Speaker 2: And has Vin Scully. That'd have been awesome.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, Joe, I mean it's another Art's our first

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Speaker 1: edition of the Book of Joe for twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 1: Whether it's the year or the Dodgers or not, who knows.

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Speaker 1: But good to get off the ground here in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty four and to take us out. I'm sure you

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Speaker 1: got something for us to get us out on the

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Speaker 1: right foot.

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Speaker 2: I do. I went to Benny Franklin, how about Ben

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Speaker 2: back in the day, just to really open up the

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Speaker 2: new year with new season, and he said, be at

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Speaker 2: where with your vices, at peace with your neighbors. Now,

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Speaker 2: let every new year find you a better man.

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Speaker 1: Ben Franklin, Oh beautiful words of wisdom.

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Speaker 2: Love it, rock and roll. That's right.

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Speaker 1: Enjoyed it, Joe. We'll see you next time.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Tommy, be well, see you, buddy.

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