WEBVTT - Trina McGee Meets World

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to apologize everybody right after that. By the way,

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<v Speaker 1>if I'm a little out of it because I am

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<v Speaker 1>Dave four of fast, really tell me more about this fast.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to know Sue and I are doing it

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<v Speaker 1>together and it is just wedding fast. Yeah, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>not even It's like, first of all, we look forward

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<v Speaker 1>to the olives like, I know, when you only get

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<v Speaker 1>them two of the games shining on your face, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>like you get it to like we'll look to each

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<v Speaker 1>other six hours before and be like, we get olives,

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<v Speaker 1>it's almost time for allis it is the other thing

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<v Speaker 1>that they don't tell you about, is it makes you

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<v Speaker 1>so gassy that the two of us look at each

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<v Speaker 1>other like, thank god, we're we we we said for

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<v Speaker 1>better or for worse, because this is the worst part.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the part that everyone's talking. Come down to

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<v Speaker 1>it and year olds talking about gas. It's true, bad

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<v Speaker 1>diet fasting, you're gassing is what we're doing right now.

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<v Speaker 1>It is so I'm day four, if I if i'm

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<v Speaker 1>if I'm out of it a little bit, that's why,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my gosh, yikes, I get olives today. It's an

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<v Speaker 1>all of day congratulations. If you're going to get that

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<v Speaker 1>one all of like halfway through our show and suddenly

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<v Speaker 1>start perking up. They're talking more. Dude, Seriously. I was

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<v Speaker 1>eating my bar this morning and walked in and she went,

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<v Speaker 1>what are you doing? Slow down, Savorite, that's all your

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<v Speaker 1>small bites, that's all you get into like noon. I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, I know, I know, it's horrible. Oh my gosh.

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<v Speaker 1>Really I thought i'd start the day is by telling

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<v Speaker 1>you about my my fast Um, good to sea bold

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<v Speaker 1>of you. Is there something we we would rather talk

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<v Speaker 1>about for happening up the show? Is there any other

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<v Speaker 1>pre chatter we would like to I found a anything,

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<v Speaker 1>anything would be better. I have a lump in my armpit? Exactly?

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<v Speaker 1>Is that weird? Is that bizarre? Does anybody else smell purple?

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<v Speaker 1>Is that? Is that weird? We're all really excited about

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<v Speaker 1>our guest today. Um Angela Moore was Shawn's long term

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<v Speaker 1>girlfriend and to Panca's best friend. She is an absolute

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<v Speaker 1>massive fan favorite, and we know her as Trina McGhee.

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<v Speaker 1>She was in fifty nine episodes of Boy Meets World.

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<v Speaker 1>She first appeared in season five, episode two, Boy Meets

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<v Speaker 1>the Real World or actually I think it's Just Boy

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<v Speaker 1>meets Real World and uh, she is absolutely our most

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<v Speaker 1>requested guest by fans. We have been getting your emails.

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<v Speaker 1>We are so excited to have her here. Uh. We

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<v Speaker 1>didn't want to wait until season five when she makes

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<v Speaker 1>her first appearance on the show. We wanted to bring

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<v Speaker 1>her in now. So please join me in welcoming Miss

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<v Speaker 1>Trina McGhee. At some point, I'm going to comb my

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<v Speaker 1>arab before you. At some point, Thank you, Trina. At

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<v Speaker 1>some point. For four days, I haven't eaten for four days.

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<v Speaker 1>I've had soup, powdered soup. You're talking to the perfect

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<v Speaker 1>person about fast t Yes, you're talking the perfect person

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<v Speaker 1>for I'm on a fast Are you hearing the voices yet? Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>And seeing seeing the weird things flying around, like we'll

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<v Speaker 1>just we'll be sitting there and all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll just go like something just fluid. It's just very strange.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you serious? You're like hallucinating? I try it feels

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<v Speaker 1>like that, like the third day, a little like you

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<v Speaker 1>could you could bring your mind there. I have an

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<v Speaker 1>alternative eat food, just too much of it. My cells

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<v Speaker 1>need rejuvenating. Writer, we didn't all go to a hippie

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<v Speaker 1>school where we learned everything about eat, drink and be merry. Like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I know, it still looks like he's thirteen. It kills me.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, wait, Traina, I actually this is a good

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<v Speaker 1>chance now that we're talking about this writer, can we

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<v Speaker 1>can we go back to what we learned yesterday, Trina.

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<v Speaker 1>We learned yesterday that writer went to a high school where.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, first of all, we knew this that his

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<v Speaker 1>graduating class in high school was twelve twelve students at

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<v Speaker 1>at his high school in his graduating class. But what

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<v Speaker 1>we learned yesterday was that he walked a mile to

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<v Speaker 1>school every day and whoever was the first person to

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<v Speaker 1>arrive at the school had to start the fire to

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<v Speaker 1>warm the shed that they learned in it like you

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<v Speaker 1>do in high school. And there was it was a

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<v Speaker 1>series of buildings, but the main building, which was you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like an old house, like this whole feat up house

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<v Speaker 1>that had been converted to just like rooms where students

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<v Speaker 1>could gather, had a wood burning stove and if you

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<v Speaker 1>got there before anybody else, you had to start the

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<v Speaker 1>fire to warm the place up. Ye I was gonna say,

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<v Speaker 1>because you do realize that when they described cult compounds.

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<v Speaker 1>They always start with it's a series of buildings. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>it was, but look all schools are like that, right,

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<v Speaker 1>Like Actually, this explains a lot between how maybe me

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<v Speaker 1>and writer clicked so well because I went to a

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<v Speaker 1>similar hippie type school where they used to take us

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<v Speaker 1>up to um from this city to this farm for

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<v Speaker 1>a week, three times out of the year, and you

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<v Speaker 1>had to get up and do chores and stuff like

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<v Speaker 1>that when it was only twenty people in our every class.

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<v Speaker 1>This was from from fourth grade to eighth grade. I

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<v Speaker 1>went to people in my class it was called Manhattan

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<v Speaker 1>Country School. Wow, that's what my older brother did. Something similar.

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<v Speaker 1>My family went to something called the Mountain School where

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<v Speaker 1>for like half of semeter in high school they went

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<v Speaker 1>to Vermont and like lived on a farm. But that's

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<v Speaker 1>different the good that was an experience. They took you

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<v Speaker 1>from a regular school to that experience. That wasn't It

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't like all writers here first, he's got to turn

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<v Speaker 1>about her. It wasn't. I mean when we left our

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<v Speaker 1>school for because we would do trips. We we went backpacking.

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<v Speaker 1>It was literally what you could carry on your back

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<v Speaker 1>into the wilderness. Good luck. Yeah, And then there were

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<v Speaker 1>some vital trips, maybe a trip for things went wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>We had bear encounters, we had trips where like it

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<v Speaker 1>rained on us for four days stree like nine and

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<v Speaker 1>I was like eleven, Yeah, but it was the best experience,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I mean I look back on I mean, like now,

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<v Speaker 1>because you know, I just took Indie to Alaska and man,

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<v Speaker 1>the kid just cries and complains it. I mean, we're

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<v Speaker 1>trying to do like normal day height and he's just

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, oh my god, I'm want to send

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<v Speaker 1>you away. Yes, I want to send you away to summer.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I was not a big believer in summer camp

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<v Speaker 1>because I never went to summer camp. I just like

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<v Speaker 1>went camping with my family. And so but now I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to send him to summer camp because he

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<v Speaker 1>needs like another adult to tell him, like, fuck up, kid,

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<v Speaker 1>because like Alex and I can only say it so

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<v Speaker 1>many times before we're just like mean parents. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>summer camp is great. Summer camp is the best. I

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<v Speaker 1>had Summer camp every single year up to becoming a counselor, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>summer camp is the best. Okay, So we've learned already

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<v Speaker 1>that maybe part of the reason you and writer had

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<v Speaker 1>such chemistry is because you guys both went to hippie

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<v Speaker 1>high school. But that is jumping ahead because I can't

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<v Speaker 1>wait to talk about your chemistry. But one of the

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<v Speaker 1>things we love to ask everybody who comes on the

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<v Speaker 1>show is tell us about your origin story before we

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<v Speaker 1>all got to know you as Trina McGee and and

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<v Speaker 1>as Angela Moore. Tell us a little bit about the

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<v Speaker 1>early stages of your career. How did you get into acting? Uh? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I my road was very self driven. It was honestly

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<v Speaker 1>something I just knew I was gonna do. I woke

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<v Speaker 1>up one morning and I was like, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>be an actress now. The time before that, I had

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<v Speaker 1>already been two years at Howard University, and I was

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be I was a political science major at Howard University,

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<v Speaker 1>but I really wasn't. I went to a very funny

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<v Speaker 1>time of going to Howard University because at the time, um,

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<v Speaker 1>it was a very popular thing to go to a

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<v Speaker 1>black college university. And I went there because I had

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<v Speaker 1>predominantly had and upbringing with all white schools. So as

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<v Speaker 1>the Angela character you see me as in an all

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<v Speaker 1>white situation was how I grew up I went to

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<v Speaker 1>a predominantly all the hippie elementary school than a very

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<v Speaker 1>stark um high end, um predominantly Jewish um high school

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<v Speaker 1>called Horace Man in New York in Riverdale. I was

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<v Speaker 1>very competitive, you know, and I got there through you know,

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<v Speaker 1>scholarships or whatever. And so then when I went to college,

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to go to an all black college. So

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<v Speaker 1>who was in my freshman year in the hall back College?

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<v Speaker 1>But P Diddy, um kid and play used to come

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<v Speaker 1>down and play all the times. I'm my best friend.

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<v Speaker 1>Used to date P Diddy. I'd always used to drive

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<v Speaker 1>with him back and forth from from DC to New York.

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<v Speaker 1>Um just you know, was Heathen of de Malverne and

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<v Speaker 1>I lived in Yonkers, Um, so I got a cat

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<v Speaker 1>caught up more in the entertainment that was coming to

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<v Speaker 1>Howard rather than actually you know, going to school, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and I realized, you know, I'm not gonna

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and it already Actually it started before that

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<v Speaker 1>in high school that I actually started cutting classes to

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<v Speaker 1>go on auditions downtown. My first audition, um, when I

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<v Speaker 1>was sixteen, was for Bill Cosby and I had actually

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<v Speaker 1>they had a thing on the wall. It would open audition.

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<v Speaker 1>I went to the open audition. I got called back twice.

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<v Speaker 1>And this happened like three times. Now. I started cutting

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<v Speaker 1>school in high school to go downtown and do creative

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<v Speaker 1>stuff and and and I got in trouble, and my

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<v Speaker 1>chemistry teacher I got in trouble, especially in chemistry and math.

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<v Speaker 1>I just wasn't interested. And they told me, if you

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<v Speaker 1>cut school one more time, you're you're gonna be, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>in big trouble. You may not be able to come

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<v Speaker 1>back to hars Man, this really big thing that I

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<v Speaker 1>was going to. So they had an open call for

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<v Speaker 1>the The Cosby Show. So I begged my chemistry teacher.

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<v Speaker 1>I said, please, can you please just let me leave

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<v Speaker 1>to go on this audition and I can I not

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<v Speaker 1>get in trouble, do not report me to the to whoever.

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<v Speaker 1>And he just says, okay, today, not Bill. You will

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<v Speaker 1>never be a teennist. You're never gonna be at Kenny

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<v Speaker 1>and inaccurate. Yeah. So I go to these auditions and

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<v Speaker 1>three times for Bill Bill Cosby, I got to um

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<v Speaker 1>actually get taken to Brooklyn on the last time, and

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<v Speaker 1>and and and and we had I didn't get the part,

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<v Speaker 1>so they had sent you home on this van right

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<v Speaker 1>that when you didn't get the part for Bill Cosby

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<v Speaker 1>and Brooklyn. It goes from Brooklyn to back to Manhattan.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't want to be on the van. So I'm

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<v Speaker 1>on the van with this other girl, didn't. I think

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<v Speaker 1>in retrospect, you want to be on you want to

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<v Speaker 1>be exactly. I remember Felicia Rashan coming coming out and saying, girl,

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<v Speaker 1>do you know how many parts I didn't get? Because

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<v Speaker 1>I was crying, I was balling, and I didn't get

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<v Speaker 1>this part. But then yeah, So then I went to

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<v Speaker 1>college and I uh was always so many stars with

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<v Speaker 1>my freshman class. Big didn't he polloge I Park I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if you knew who she was, but she

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<v Speaker 1>was a big actress on Fridays. And Wendy Wendy uh

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<v Speaker 1>Mickel Robinson who was on the Game now to Rogie

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<v Speaker 1>Henson was in the class right below us. And Debbie Allen,

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<v Speaker 1>who is a very big and um the arts community.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you know, guys, be taught she

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<v Speaker 1>taught um drama there. But I'm not going to school

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<v Speaker 1>for dram. I'm going to school for political science. So

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<v Speaker 1>you know, long story short, I left after two years

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<v Speaker 1>and I just said, let me just come home. I

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<v Speaker 1>moved back with my grandmother and I just started auditioning.

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<v Speaker 1>But I thought I was gonna be a model then.

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<v Speaker 1>So I and I auditioned for this agency called Flick

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<v Speaker 1>Flick No Click. It was back then for Molly and

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<v Speaker 1>they said, no, well, you know, little you're a little short.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe you might want to try acting. And they said, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll send you out on a couple of auditions. See

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<v Speaker 1>what you get. We're not gonna sign you. And they

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<v Speaker 1>sent me on on. My first audition was for this

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<v Speaker 1>play called Chelsea Walls and it had Ed Sharon, Vincent

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<v Speaker 1>Dinofrio was in it. Um, Marissa tone A, Gina Gershawn. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>nobody was anybody then, And I end up doing this

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<v Speaker 1>way at this small part and Ed Sharon, who directed it,

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<v Speaker 1>went on to direct Law and Order, um, all the

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<v Speaker 1>law and order stuff. So nobody was anybody. Jane Alexander

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<v Speaker 1>was like the matron of the whole thing. So um,

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<v Speaker 1>So then that happens, and then my second after right

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<v Speaker 1>after that, my next auditions for a show Quincy Jones

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<v Speaker 1>is doing. I mean literally, it's my first three auditions

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<v Speaker 1>I'm kind of just discovered, you know. And then Quincy

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<v Speaker 1>Jones had this audition open call, eight hundred girls across

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<v Speaker 1>the country. Then I make it down to like the

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<v Speaker 1>last eleven girls, and that's what brought me out to

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<v Speaker 1>l A from New York, that Quincy Jones, but not

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<v Speaker 1>to necessarily have the part to compete against four spots

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<v Speaker 1>and eleven girls. So these eleven girls are me, Regina King,

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<v Speaker 1>Lauren Hill, uh, this girl named Lisa to Cole Carson,

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<v Speaker 1>he was working all the time. Then wow, and then

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<v Speaker 1>finally I actually get this part, this Quincy Jones part,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's me. It's me and this girl Rose and Lisa,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're gonna be this this big thing like the Monkeys,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's gonna be a TV show, and long story short,

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<v Speaker 1>the whole thing just falls apart, you know. But I

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<v Speaker 1>left out here in l A with an agent and

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<v Speaker 1>I start beating the Really, now heone's taken me serious? Wait,

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<v Speaker 1>hold on, I have a question about this Quincy Jones show.

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<v Speaker 1>So it was like a music show. The four of

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<v Speaker 1>you were going to be a musical act TV show. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>and you beat Lauren Hill. Yeah, yeah, musical show. I

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<v Speaker 1>remember that story because I remember because like the fujis

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<v Speaker 1>became huge, like while we were doing Boy and like

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I beat her for a job. Oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>what a story. No funny enough before that, a year

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<v Speaker 1>before that, I had my first jobs were off Broadway

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<v Speaker 1>plays and I used to do hip hop musicals and yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'd started about three of them off Broadway. And

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<v Speaker 1>Lauren Hill was the sixteen year olds was the fifteen

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<v Speaker 1>was the backup dancer for my show. Hearing you talk

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<v Speaker 1>about New York though, it brings you right back to

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<v Speaker 1>and if you didn't know that scene, the like the

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<v Speaker 1>New York audition scene where they would put you in

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<v Speaker 1>a van, well you you'd go and you'd everybody would

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<v Speaker 1>audition for Law and Order once a week, like it

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<v Speaker 1>was it's what you had. It would just say like

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<v Speaker 1>mix and match sessions too. It was always like show up,

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<v Speaker 1>this stay, show up and they yeah, because it really

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<v Speaker 1>New York was out of the theater tradition, which is

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<v Speaker 1>so crazy, and it's so like people show up and

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<v Speaker 1>at the end of the day there's ten left, and

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<v Speaker 1>then the next day there's thirty people and it's like

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<v Speaker 1>all this like you always have the job and then

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<v Speaker 1>you don't have the job. It's like it was crazy

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<v Speaker 1>up staircases, Like you walk up staircases at twelve or

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<v Speaker 1>thirteen years old, these tiny little staircases, and you turn

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<v Speaker 1>a corner into this tiny little hallway and there'll be

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<v Speaker 1>forty two kids your age for some Cheerios commercial. Black steps,

0:14:53.640 --> 0:15:00.680
<v Speaker 1>white walls, Yes, yes, the hot as hell and yes.

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<v Speaker 1>Or you're in one of those terrible elevators. You've got

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<v Speaker 1>to move your little gate to the side, and it

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<v Speaker 1>barely like it's clicking up the steps to go up

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<v Speaker 1>and see Leonardo DiCaprio, who's auditioning for an A T

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<v Speaker 1>and T commercial. It's like that kind of thing. It

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<v Speaker 1>was such a such a scene. I also didn't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm amazed because I love television. I'm a television addict.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't know they shot Cosby in New York. They

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<v Speaker 1>thought that was out here Brooklyn, in Brooklyn, in the

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<v Speaker 1>same studios as my favorite soap opera at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>Another World. I thought that was an l a series. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>that was more interesting. Okay, so you by the time

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<v Speaker 1>you end up getting too Boy Meets World, you had

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<v Speaker 1>already been on Sinbad, a different world. Martin picket fences,

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<v Speaker 1>family matters and parenthood, and right, I had it done Daylight,

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<v Speaker 1>and I had all the jobs I was gonna do. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>boy was your retirement plan? Believe you? When you got

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<v Speaker 1>the audition for boy Meats World? Had you ever heard

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<v Speaker 1>of boy Meets World? Had you ever seen Boy Meats World?

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<v Speaker 1>What did you know about the show if anything? And

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<v Speaker 1>what did they tell you about the character you were

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<v Speaker 1>auditioning for? Good question? Okay, Okay, I didn't blow Boy

0:16:26.600 --> 0:16:30.160
<v Speaker 1>Meets World crept up on me. Like I was just

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<v Speaker 1>watching the season one thing, you know, watch long thing,

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<v Speaker 1>and at that time, you guys were in season one.

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<v Speaker 1>That was off the radar for me. I had just

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<v Speaker 1>I just maybe done a different world than that. That

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<v Speaker 1>that year, I was had debate on my first child.

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<v Speaker 1>I was, you know, newly married, and so Boyme's World

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<v Speaker 1>was very much off the radar until after I had

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<v Speaker 1>done a movie called Daylight. Okay, And it was eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>months between Daylight and my next job, and I had

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<v Speaker 1>left my children in St. Louis with their grandparents and

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<v Speaker 1>was coming periodically out here because I just wanted them

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<v Speaker 1>to be and you know, we had had some family situations.

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted them to be, you know, with more family

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<v Speaker 1>instead of this l a life. So and I was

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<v Speaker 1>coming back to audition, but I had been doing this

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<v Speaker 1>back and forth for eighteen months, not having much luck.

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<v Speaker 1>I was kind of getting discouraged. I had just done

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<v Speaker 1>a big movie, so I'm thinking everyone's just supposed to

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<v Speaker 1>receive me in Hollywood, you know, which may or may

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<v Speaker 1>not happen, you know. So, um, I'm at this Hope,

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<v Speaker 1>this like kind of not so great hotel on Wilshure right,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm I just had this big audition with Lauren Batty,

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<v Speaker 1>okay for both for the halle Berry you know. So,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was just depressed. I kind of knew I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't get this and everything. So I turned on my TV.

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<v Speaker 1>It's Friday, and I was so disciplined back then. I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't go out and do nothing. I was just focused.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's Friday night, I'm in the sad hotel away

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<v Speaker 1>from my kids, and I turned the TV and it

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<v Speaker 1>comes in in fun Is is Boime Twirl? And I

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<v Speaker 1>kind of got this weird feeling about this show. I

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<v Speaker 1>actually started watching it, and this was maybe six months

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<v Speaker 1>before I actually got the audition. When I actually started

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<v Speaker 1>watching it every Friday because really there was no other

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<v Speaker 1>channel that the TV could get to because it was

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<v Speaker 1>such a bad fault. I only get Boimesworld. I know

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<v Speaker 1>this is no why so um after a while it

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<v Speaker 1>was prepping for the audience exactly. You know, the one

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<v Speaker 1>door is closed and you keeping on it and then

0:18:36.119 --> 0:18:41.840
<v Speaker 1>another door opens. It was that crappy hotel door. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>and see, I know sitcom. I've always said all I

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<v Speaker 1>did was sitco every black sitcom for that I'd done,

0:18:47.280 --> 0:18:49.240
<v Speaker 1>and others to coom I just done. So so I

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<v Speaker 1>liked sitcom like the Beach, So that was and that

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<v Speaker 1>was the only show I could watch. The watch it

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<v Speaker 1>and then um, about six months later, I get this

0:18:57.000 --> 0:18:59.360
<v Speaker 1>call for Boy Meets Worlds. I thought that was kind

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<v Speaker 1>of surreal, and then they told me they didn't really

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<v Speaker 1>describe the part. They just said I love interest for Sean.

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<v Speaker 1>Um they had. But the thing is, I knew you

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<v Speaker 1>had to be funny, you know, But when they gave

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<v Speaker 1>me the first first side, there was nothing funny about

0:19:16.960 --> 0:19:21.440
<v Speaker 1>drama for a joke, you know? It was it was

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<v Speaker 1>the scene. It was the scene that what I read

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<v Speaker 1>with with Trina when they brought brought me into for

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<v Speaker 1>us to do a chemistry read. It was a scene

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<v Speaker 1>that we had already done on the show. It was

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<v Speaker 1>a scene with um Larissa Otlantic when she had been

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<v Speaker 1>my girlfriend for like two episodes. I threw a picnic

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<v Speaker 1>for her out in the snow, and you know, it

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<v Speaker 1>was a dramatic scene. It was like Sean making this

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<v Speaker 1>big romantic gesture and the conversation between the two of them.

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<v Speaker 1>And so we had done it the year before or

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<v Speaker 1>two years before or whatever, and they were using that

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<v Speaker 1>scene to audition Angela's because they picked the one dramatic

0:19:58.320 --> 0:20:02.320
<v Speaker 1>Shawn scene. I knew it was some back and like romantic.

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<v Speaker 1>Why there was as I remember it was, of course

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<v Speaker 1>there's That's how it was like. And then you had

0:20:11.320 --> 0:20:16.080
<v Speaker 1>to come back like that part. That part. Okay, So

0:20:16.680 --> 0:20:18.359
<v Speaker 1>I come in the first time. Now I come in

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<v Speaker 1>for Barbie Block. Now this is this is a funny story,

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<v Speaker 1>coming to read for Bobby Block first time? Okay. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>they go back to my agent and say that we

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<v Speaker 1>have no interest in her. She's not funny. So I'm like,

0:20:29.440 --> 0:20:31.359
<v Speaker 1>wait a minute, there's nothing on the page that was funny,

0:20:31.400 --> 0:20:33.960
<v Speaker 1>But what are they talking about? So I actually go

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<v Speaker 1>to my manager's office the next day and I said,

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<v Speaker 1>because I'm when I'm auditioning in l A. At this point,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's like ten girls in every audition, so I

0:20:42.040 --> 0:20:44.359
<v Speaker 1>know who my competition is. So I go back to

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<v Speaker 1>my age of the next day and I'm like, there's

0:20:46.880 --> 0:20:49.359
<v Speaker 1>only ten girls in this talent auditioning around all right.

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<v Speaker 1>I know this is my part. This is how I

0:20:51.680 --> 0:20:53.639
<v Speaker 1>grew up. I know how it is to be an

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<v Speaker 1>all white situation, you know, and this is it, this

0:20:56.640 --> 0:20:58.440
<v Speaker 1>is me. I can't really call them back and get

0:20:58.520 --> 0:21:01.760
<v Speaker 1>me in again. So my manager kind of loosing, like oh, traina,

0:21:02.400 --> 0:21:06.280
<v Speaker 1>I mean, so I'm walking. All of a sudden, my

0:21:06.359 --> 0:21:08.920
<v Speaker 1>manager gets a phone call and she's puts me on

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<v Speaker 1>hold off. So I go ahead and I start talking

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<v Speaker 1>to the receptionist. Okay, who is this like feisty little

0:21:15.000 --> 0:21:18.200
<v Speaker 1>college kid, and she's so I can't couldn't stand her boss,

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<v Speaker 1>who was the one who just told me to wait

0:21:19.680 --> 0:21:22.120
<v Speaker 1>outside because she had to take a call. I can't

0:21:22.160 --> 0:21:24.040
<v Speaker 1>stand them. They never let me do anything. It's this

0:21:24.200 --> 0:21:26.600
<v Speaker 1>asistant talking. And I said, you know, yeah, they know

0:21:26.640 --> 0:21:28.639
<v Speaker 1>one was to take chances, and I said, I should

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<v Speaker 1>be back in that room. Okay, I'm telling you, I

0:21:31.000 --> 0:21:33.679
<v Speaker 1>think so too. So she, because she wants to make

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<v Speaker 1>some feisty move, calls back Barbie Block and pushes me

0:21:38.920 --> 0:21:47.200
<v Speaker 1>back into that us without my manager knowing. Okay. It

0:21:47.359 --> 0:21:51.520
<v Speaker 1>was like the conspiracy of two spunky little chicks. Okay.

0:21:56.280 --> 0:21:59.640
<v Speaker 1>So actually, for some reason, Barbie Black said you okay,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll see you here again, you know. And so I

0:22:02.400 --> 0:22:04.520
<v Speaker 1>go back and I didn't know what more to do

0:22:04.800 --> 0:22:06.840
<v Speaker 1>because it was the same thing. But for some reason,

0:22:06.880 --> 0:22:09.920
<v Speaker 1>when I got that got back Michael. Maybe it's seen

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<v Speaker 1>a tape, I think. So then I get a call

0:22:13.560 --> 0:22:17.359
<v Speaker 1>and that to come back again, you know. So I

0:22:17.480 --> 0:22:19.879
<v Speaker 1>come back again and there's and I come back and

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<v Speaker 1>there's like eight to ten girls. For some reason, to

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<v Speaker 1>see I always remember the seating of this situation because

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<v Speaker 1>it would be I always like to separate myself from

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<v Speaker 1>people in auditions, you know. So there's eight two girls

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<v Speaker 1>sitting on a bench in front of me, and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>on the other bunch. I'm just looking at these eight

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<v Speaker 1>to ten girls. Everybody goes in. I going last. Then

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<v Speaker 1>I get a call coming the next day, same thing,

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<v Speaker 1>fresh new eight to ten girls, and it's me standing

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<v Speaker 1>across from them. They go, and I going. Then it's

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<v Speaker 1>the last three days of this eight to ten girls,

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<v Speaker 1>New girls, and and and then that day Michael came

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<v Speaker 1>out into the waiting area and he looks at everybody,

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<v Speaker 1>and and then I'm in the bathroom and he goes,

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<v Speaker 1>come here, I want to talk to you, and and

0:23:00.320 --> 0:23:03.280
<v Speaker 1>and we go in the bathroom together, like and all

0:23:03.359 --> 0:23:05.320
<v Speaker 1>the girls could see him. Wanted to give me these

0:23:05.359 --> 0:23:07.240
<v Speaker 1>notes or whatever it was. I want you to be different,

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<v Speaker 1>like nobody else has ever been on this. You gotta

0:23:10.040 --> 0:23:12.960
<v Speaker 1>be different, okay. And then I had some lipstick on

0:23:13.080 --> 0:23:14.600
<v Speaker 1>and I started putting something. He goes, no, notes, so

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<v Speaker 1>take that lipstick off. That's not it. You just come

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<v Speaker 1>in different. So that was the direction. Different, look different,

0:23:29.480 --> 0:23:32.440
<v Speaker 1>do something different to yourself. So I start to put

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<v Speaker 1>these lipstick on it. No, no, it's not it. Take

0:23:36.880 --> 0:23:41.400
<v Speaker 1>the lipstick off. That's forbade him. So and he walks out.

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<v Speaker 1>He goes into him and I guess you were in

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<v Speaker 1>the room writer and everything, and I'm taking I'm like

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<v Speaker 1>so nervous. And then this time I go in before

0:23:49.080 --> 0:23:51.320
<v Speaker 1>all the girls go in, and I go in and

0:23:51.400 --> 0:23:53.160
<v Speaker 1>I read with you and these these is the time,

0:23:53.359 --> 0:23:56.240
<v Speaker 1>these walls that these auditions were thin thin. I don't

0:23:56.240 --> 0:23:58.320
<v Speaker 1>know what in l A and you can hear everything.

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<v Speaker 1>So I go in and I do the audition. I

0:24:01.560 --> 0:24:03.040
<v Speaker 1>don't know if I'm good or not. I didn't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just doing me. And I come out and two

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<v Speaker 1>of the girls who were on the bench looked at

0:24:07.080 --> 0:24:11.800
<v Speaker 1>me and they said, the girl, we knows you, you know, yeah,

0:24:14.200 --> 0:24:16.320
<v Speaker 1>and then you know that that's how I And then

0:24:16.480 --> 0:24:18.960
<v Speaker 1>a couple of days later, I got a call that

0:24:19.160 --> 0:24:21.520
<v Speaker 1>I was going to be on the show. But see,

0:24:21.560 --> 0:24:23.800
<v Speaker 1>in my mind, I was always a series regular. I

0:24:23.920 --> 0:24:26.560
<v Speaker 1>was very arrogant back then, I have to say, I

0:24:26.720 --> 0:24:29.640
<v Speaker 1>was very actressy and you know, so I just assumed

0:24:29.680 --> 0:24:31.600
<v Speaker 1>that I was assumed a series of regular. It wasn't

0:24:31.640 --> 0:24:33.480
<v Speaker 1>n till like three months later being on the show

0:24:33.520 --> 0:24:36.240
<v Speaker 1>and Michael said, hey, Trainer, we really like your work

0:24:36.280 --> 0:24:38.520
<v Speaker 1>and we're gonna keep you. And I was like, yeah,

0:24:38.640 --> 0:24:44.199
<v Speaker 1>well yeah, I already know that that was the point. Yeah, exactly,

0:24:44.320 --> 0:24:46.760
<v Speaker 1>I love that. So that was you know, that's well,

0:24:46.800 --> 0:24:49.399
<v Speaker 1>that's my question. That's what I wonder. I was was

0:24:49.840 --> 0:24:53.320
<v Speaker 1>the Angela character? Was she supposed to be just reoccurring?

0:24:53.359 --> 0:24:56.760
<v Speaker 1>Originally or was she always planning on they were testing

0:24:56.800 --> 0:25:00.440
<v Speaker 1>it out. I think they wanted a regular arter, but

0:25:00.480 --> 0:25:02.760
<v Speaker 1>they weren't sure, so they wanted which is you know,

0:25:03.160 --> 0:25:05.080
<v Speaker 1>smart on their part, right. I mean it's not great

0:25:05.160 --> 0:25:07.679
<v Speaker 1>for for you, Trina, because you're not getting paid as

0:25:07.720 --> 0:25:11.800
<v Speaker 1>well or have any sort of future out. Yeah, so

0:25:11.880 --> 0:25:14.520
<v Speaker 1>they eat it out. Also, it's good creatively because you

0:25:14.560 --> 0:25:16.640
<v Speaker 1>can sort of feel out, you know, whether this character

0:25:16.720 --> 0:25:19.280
<v Speaker 1>is gonna work or not. But here's my question, Trina,

0:25:19.520 --> 0:25:22.720
<v Speaker 1>So we're all the other actress is black? Was that

0:25:23.000 --> 0:25:27.960
<v Speaker 1>like every single one, every shade from like light skins

0:25:28.119 --> 0:25:35.840
<v Speaker 1>and Caramel going down? Gabrielle Union was there? Essence Atkins

0:25:35.960 --> 0:25:38.600
<v Speaker 1>was one of the people. I don't remember too many

0:25:38.680 --> 0:25:41.359
<v Speaker 1>other of the girls, but I remember Gabrielle Union was

0:25:41.400 --> 0:25:45.280
<v Speaker 1>on like the second day bench. You know, so you're

0:25:45.320 --> 0:25:48.240
<v Speaker 1>the only person I ever read with. And at that point,

0:25:48.320 --> 0:25:50.159
<v Speaker 1>I mean they had already I had had a meeting

0:25:50.480 --> 0:25:54.560
<v Speaker 1>with the producers. Wait, so when those girls were going in,

0:25:54.720 --> 0:25:57.040
<v Speaker 1>they weren't reading with you know, I think I think

0:25:57.080 --> 0:26:00.880
<v Speaker 1>you might be combining time. No either, either they brought

0:26:00.960 --> 0:26:02.480
<v Speaker 1>me in and just to read with you and brought

0:26:02.520 --> 0:26:05.879
<v Speaker 1>me back out, or you're conflating two different meetings. By

0:26:05.920 --> 0:26:07.480
<v Speaker 1>the time I met you, it was sort of like,

0:26:08.200 --> 0:26:10.359
<v Speaker 1>this is what who we think is the girl? What

0:26:10.440 --> 0:26:13.280
<v Speaker 1>do you think? And I remember realizing it was the

0:26:13.359 --> 0:26:15.720
<v Speaker 1>scene that I had done with Larissa and thinking, well,

0:26:16.000 --> 0:26:17.960
<v Speaker 1>no one could do this better than Larissa, like this

0:26:18.119 --> 0:26:20.560
<v Speaker 1>is gonna suck, and then reading with you and after

0:26:20.680 --> 0:26:22.440
<v Speaker 1>you left being like, oh, yeah, that was incredible. This

0:26:22.560 --> 0:26:25.760
<v Speaker 1>is so and just being like absolutely, there's no doubt

0:26:25.840 --> 0:26:27.840
<v Speaker 1>in my mind that this will work like it was

0:26:27.920 --> 0:26:30.200
<v Speaker 1>so it was so obvious, like I don't know, I

0:26:30.280 --> 0:26:31.840
<v Speaker 1>felt it in the room, and I'm pretty sure you

0:26:31.920 --> 0:26:33.600
<v Speaker 1>did too. It was like, oh, this is this is

0:26:33.680 --> 0:26:36.480
<v Speaker 1>so easy. Trina, what was your first impression of Writer?

0:26:37.040 --> 0:26:39.320
<v Speaker 1>I thought a writer was really cute, and I liked

0:26:39.440 --> 0:26:43.639
<v Speaker 1>reading with him because I felt like our timing was

0:26:44.000 --> 0:26:48.000
<v Speaker 1>very mutually nice. It was just a nice chemistry. I

0:26:48.160 --> 0:26:50.440
<v Speaker 1>really liked acting with Writer, especially when I had to

0:26:50.480 --> 0:26:53.760
<v Speaker 1>do softer scenes, you know. But I thought it was cute,

0:26:53.840 --> 0:26:55.280
<v Speaker 1>you know, but I just thought it was a kid

0:26:55.400 --> 0:27:04.160
<v Speaker 1>really kind of telling you about so was age? Well,

0:27:06.320 --> 0:27:10.920
<v Speaker 1>hold on, hold on, Trina, Trina looks younger than any

0:27:11.000 --> 0:27:17.439
<v Speaker 1>of us, than all of us, but Trina is actually, well,

0:27:17.520 --> 0:27:19.920
<v Speaker 1>she's twelve years old. You're twelve years older than me. Yeah,

0:27:20.119 --> 0:27:23.080
<v Speaker 1>and so that makes you tend to eleven years older

0:27:23.119 --> 0:27:26.040
<v Speaker 1>than Writer. And so Writer was seventeen at the time,

0:27:26.160 --> 0:27:30.520
<v Speaker 1>right right, this was you came in and you were

0:27:30.600 --> 0:27:37.439
<v Speaker 1>twenty eight years ago. We did not find out for Trina,

0:27:37.800 --> 0:27:40.639
<v Speaker 1>did you share your age with anybody or was it?

0:27:40.720 --> 0:27:43.080
<v Speaker 1>If not, was it a conscious choice to not let

0:27:43.160 --> 0:27:46.960
<v Speaker 1>anyone know your age. I never think about my age

0:27:47.119 --> 0:27:49.359
<v Speaker 1>like that. I just feel like it is what it is.

0:27:49.520 --> 0:27:52.840
<v Speaker 1>I wasn't a conscious choice. Michael actually let her later

0:27:52.960 --> 0:27:56.200
<v Speaker 1>said he thought I was older than it was. Really,

0:27:56.760 --> 0:28:01.359
<v Speaker 1>but no, I think that was about eleven years older

0:28:01.480 --> 0:28:04.600
<v Speaker 1>than than Writer. And you know I didn't. I was

0:28:04.720 --> 0:28:08.000
<v Speaker 1>so I gotta say this is please forgive me people change.

0:28:08.280 --> 0:28:12.920
<v Speaker 1>I was so into myself, and I was so into

0:28:13.040 --> 0:28:16.520
<v Speaker 1>myself that, like, you know, I thought about okay things,

0:28:16.720 --> 0:28:19.080
<v Speaker 1>but I only thought about it in for chains of

0:28:19.359 --> 0:28:22.560
<v Speaker 1>you know, honestly, how I can get ahead? You know,

0:28:23.000 --> 0:28:24.840
<v Speaker 1>I can. I can jog your I can jog your

0:28:24.840 --> 0:28:27.680
<v Speaker 1>memory because I remember very specifically what happened and why

0:28:27.760 --> 0:28:29.720
<v Speaker 1>you didn't tell us your age, because you did not

0:28:29.880 --> 0:28:33.040
<v Speaker 1>choose to know. I do so I had done an

0:28:33.119 --> 0:28:36.880
<v Speaker 1>episode where I was making out with a guest star

0:28:37.520 --> 0:28:41.760
<v Speaker 1>m and she showed up at the tape night with

0:28:41.920 --> 0:28:44.880
<v Speaker 1>a baby, and we found out because we had assumed

0:28:44.920 --> 0:28:47.200
<v Speaker 1>all week that she was my age or whatever, and

0:28:47.320 --> 0:28:51.040
<v Speaker 1>she turned out to be twenty eight or something baby,

0:28:51.560 --> 0:28:54.120
<v Speaker 1>and we freaked out at the time, you know, because

0:28:54.160 --> 0:28:55.800
<v Speaker 1>I was seventeen and I was like, oh my god.

0:28:56.280 --> 0:28:58.960
<v Speaker 1>And so we told that story in front of you

0:28:59.400 --> 0:29:01.840
<v Speaker 1>when you were just a guest star or whatever, your

0:29:01.840 --> 0:29:05.560
<v Speaker 1>first and I remember then you kept your mouth. She

0:29:05.680 --> 0:29:08.560
<v Speaker 1>was never going to say a word. It was weeks

0:29:08.680 --> 0:29:11.720
<v Speaker 1>later and it was you, me and Will and we're rehearsing,

0:29:12.680 --> 0:29:16.560
<v Speaker 1>and I don't remember somebody said something about like a

0:29:16.720 --> 0:29:20.240
<v Speaker 1>year or whatever, and you nodded like knowingly, and Will

0:29:20.320 --> 0:29:23.200
<v Speaker 1>looked at you and called you out in front of me. Will,

0:29:23.240 --> 0:29:25.360
<v Speaker 1>you were like, how old are you training? How old

0:29:25.400 --> 0:29:27.720
<v Speaker 1>are you really? Just like I don't know, I don't

0:29:27.720 --> 0:29:29.600
<v Speaker 1>want to say. And then and she was like, He's like,

0:29:30.040 --> 0:29:32.720
<v Speaker 1>you're over twenty, aren't you. And she's like, yeah, I'm

0:29:32.720 --> 0:29:34.200
<v Speaker 1>twenty eight. He's like, how many kids you got? How

0:29:34.280 --> 0:29:37.360
<v Speaker 1>many kids you got? And You're like too, at the time,

0:29:37.400 --> 0:29:39.640
<v Speaker 1>you have two kids. And we were like, oh my god.

0:29:39.680 --> 0:29:41.160
<v Speaker 1>I was like, no, no, it's okay, and you're like,

0:29:41.360 --> 0:29:43.480
<v Speaker 1>it's not okay. I heard you talking about that other

0:29:43.520 --> 0:29:45.719
<v Speaker 1>actors and it freaked you out, and so that's why

0:29:45.800 --> 0:29:47.320
<v Speaker 1>you kept your mouth shut from me. And then I

0:29:47.400 --> 0:29:49.120
<v Speaker 1>was like, no, no, no, it's okay. It's totally fine,

0:29:49.400 --> 0:29:53.120
<v Speaker 1>even though I had no filter. I had no I

0:29:53.200 --> 0:29:57.400
<v Speaker 1>had no filter. Back in the hold, Tina, I wanted

0:29:57.400 --> 0:30:01.280
<v Speaker 1>it back to what you said where Trina, where you said,

0:30:01.320 --> 0:30:04.920
<v Speaker 1>oh please forgive me people change. I was so into myself, like,

0:30:05.480 --> 0:30:14.240
<v Speaker 1>first of all, we were all narcissists. It wasn't I mean, yes,

0:30:14.840 --> 0:30:19.320
<v Speaker 1>for sure, but also not just narcissist. Also, just like teenage,

0:30:19.880 --> 0:30:24.840
<v Speaker 1>the world revolves around me. Like I literally remember thinking

0:30:24.960 --> 0:30:26.960
<v Speaker 1>like all day every day, being like when do I

0:30:27.040 --> 0:30:29.800
<v Speaker 1>get to drive down Laurel Canyon for the first time?

0:30:29.920 --> 0:30:31.720
<v Speaker 1>You know, I was sixteen, I had just gotten my

0:30:31.840 --> 0:30:34.680
<v Speaker 1>driver's license, Like I was so excited to drive down

0:30:34.880 --> 0:30:38.400
<v Speaker 1>Laurel Canyon, and and whether or not I was gonna

0:30:38.440 --> 0:30:41.280
<v Speaker 1>go which dance I was going to. I that was

0:30:41.360 --> 0:30:43.760
<v Speaker 1>all I was thinking about. I wasn't thinking about anything else.

0:30:43.880 --> 0:30:47.000
<v Speaker 1>And for you, Trina, as I have gotten older, and

0:30:47.080 --> 0:30:49.240
<v Speaker 1>we have had so many conversations and all of this, this,

0:30:49.680 --> 0:30:52.120
<v Speaker 1>these conversations that we've had have been like therapy for us,

0:30:52.160 --> 0:30:55.280
<v Speaker 1>talking about our our histories and our past together. When

0:30:55.440 --> 0:30:58.520
<v Speaker 1>I think about that, for you, at twenty eight years old,

0:30:59.320 --> 0:31:03.800
<v Speaker 1>married with two children and pregnant at the time with

0:31:04.000 --> 0:31:13.880
<v Speaker 1>your third shewing my brain and insane, you, of course,

0:31:14.200 --> 0:31:19.320
<v Speaker 1>this was a career for you. This was it, sus

0:31:19.720 --> 0:31:22.680
<v Speaker 1>and had a very important job. It was a regular job.

0:31:22.760 --> 0:31:24.840
<v Speaker 1>It was every week coming back and like you said,

0:31:24.880 --> 0:31:27.520
<v Speaker 1>in your mind, you set your sights on I'm a regular.

0:31:27.600 --> 0:31:29.040
<v Speaker 1>They may not have told me yet, but I know

0:31:29.200 --> 0:31:31.680
<v Speaker 1>it's going to be true. I am manifesting that, and

0:31:31.800 --> 0:31:34.280
<v Speaker 1>you did. It came to fruition and then it lasted

0:31:34.320 --> 0:31:37.760
<v Speaker 1>for three years. So for you, this was I mean,

0:31:37.920 --> 0:31:40.240
<v Speaker 1>it was so much more than than it was for

0:31:41.000 --> 0:31:51.240
<v Speaker 1>me rolling into work crazy right, crazy, so annoying crazy.

0:31:51.760 --> 0:31:55.400
<v Speaker 1>I remember the first episode, very first episode I had,

0:31:56.200 --> 0:31:58.520
<v Speaker 1>and I just had one little line. It was just

0:31:58.600 --> 0:32:00.760
<v Speaker 1>kind of introducing me, and I said it was called

0:32:00.880 --> 0:32:04.840
<v Speaker 1>reality World and boil meat reality or something. When I'm

0:32:04.920 --> 0:32:07.040
<v Speaker 1>setting a couple of desk and I had one line

0:32:07.120 --> 0:32:11.120
<v Speaker 1>like a duck cory or something, but you guys were

0:32:11.280 --> 0:32:14.640
<v Speaker 1>so you guys were the typical teenagers, I mean, and

0:32:14.840 --> 0:32:17.680
<v Speaker 1>I think at that point that year that was kind

0:32:17.720 --> 0:32:20.880
<v Speaker 1>of the beginning of everybody as you guys teenagers, and

0:32:20.960 --> 0:32:23.400
<v Speaker 1>I saw going through this kind of I've got to

0:32:23.520 --> 0:32:26.840
<v Speaker 1>be me stage and everything, and you guys were really

0:32:26.920 --> 0:32:30.640
<v Speaker 1>close knit, and I think you were really my perception

0:32:31.480 --> 0:32:35.440
<v Speaker 1>was that you were really confused about me because I'm older,

0:32:35.640 --> 0:32:38.520
<v Speaker 1>but I'm not older, and I can't really fit in

0:32:38.600 --> 0:32:41.520
<v Speaker 1>your group. So my I guess my first perceptive of

0:32:41.560 --> 0:32:42.880
<v Speaker 1>you on that I kind of thought you guys were

0:32:42.920 --> 0:32:50.920
<v Speaker 1>snarsally makes I honestly thought you were really really privileged

0:32:51.040 --> 0:32:55.560
<v Speaker 1>kids that didn't know you were you know, that didn't

0:32:55.600 --> 0:32:58.800
<v Speaker 1>know and I, you know, I'm twenty eight. That's not

0:32:59.360 --> 0:33:02.080
<v Speaker 1>old like I'm supposed to know everything. I think the

0:33:02.120 --> 0:33:04.080
<v Speaker 1>phase I was going through is twenty eight was more like,

0:33:04.440 --> 0:33:06.880
<v Speaker 1>I think I know everything. I've really got it together.

0:33:07.200 --> 0:33:09.440
<v Speaker 1>I've got these kids in my career in Dada and

0:33:09.480 --> 0:33:12.840
<v Speaker 1>these kids, you know. It was more out of my attitude,

0:33:13.280 --> 0:33:16.600
<v Speaker 1>So anything you did to feed that would would um

0:33:16.800 --> 0:33:19.000
<v Speaker 1>kind of fuel that for me. But honestly, in the

0:33:19.120 --> 0:33:22.360
<v Speaker 1>back of my mind, I sometimes I would think it

0:33:22.400 --> 0:33:24.440
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't be really cool to just be their age and

0:33:24.520 --> 0:33:26.680
<v Speaker 1>be able to go Like I remember one time you

0:33:26.720 --> 0:33:30.400
<v Speaker 1>guys were going somewhere after work and all together, and

0:33:30.520 --> 0:33:32.440
<v Speaker 1>I was like, I can't go with them because I

0:33:32.520 --> 0:33:38.760
<v Speaker 1>have to like go, which is great, but you know,

0:33:38.880 --> 0:33:40.800
<v Speaker 1>but it was weird because it was like I really

0:33:40.880 --> 0:33:43.320
<v Speaker 1>did relate to you because you guys were very adult

0:33:43.440 --> 0:33:46.000
<v Speaker 1>like um kids, and I really did relate to on

0:33:46.080 --> 0:33:47.560
<v Speaker 1>a lot of levels. But then there was always a

0:33:47.600 --> 0:33:50.160
<v Speaker 1>line that was cross, like, oh, we're gonna go, can't

0:33:50.200 --> 0:33:53.600
<v Speaker 1>do something crazy with our friends. Writer had this new

0:33:53.680 --> 0:33:58.320
<v Speaker 1>car and he was dating downtown and everybody, and I'm like, okay,

0:33:58.320 --> 0:34:01.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna go change diapers and yeah, and you. I mean,

0:34:01.480 --> 0:34:03.400
<v Speaker 1>that's that's the thing that was. But that's the thing

0:34:03.480 --> 0:34:05.280
<v Speaker 1>that was so strange is that you and I were

0:34:05.360 --> 0:34:07.160
<v Speaker 1>closer in age. We still weren't super cool. I mean,

0:34:07.200 --> 0:34:10.360
<v Speaker 1>we're closer in age, but we never worked together. We

0:34:10.480 --> 0:34:14.160
<v Speaker 1>didn't like we never were I think we were episodes.

0:34:14.400 --> 0:34:16.640
<v Speaker 1>I mean you had been there forever before you and

0:34:16.719 --> 0:34:18.839
<v Speaker 1>I were ever on screen together. So we always talk

0:34:18.880 --> 0:34:20.840
<v Speaker 1>about the two boy meets worlds where it's like I

0:34:20.920 --> 0:34:22.360
<v Speaker 1>didn't get a chance to get to know you on

0:34:22.400 --> 0:34:25.000
<v Speaker 1>a personal level kind of at all. And when I

0:34:25.120 --> 0:34:27.440
<v Speaker 1>go back, there's people like, now that we've started this podcast,

0:34:27.480 --> 0:34:29.319
<v Speaker 1>people will send us stuff like they're sending us old

0:34:29.360 --> 0:34:30.960
<v Speaker 1>T G. I F clips and stuff like that. And

0:34:31.000 --> 0:34:34.880
<v Speaker 1>there are certain clips they're sending where I just think

0:34:35.200 --> 0:34:38.719
<v Speaker 1>I am so cool, Like you can tell these things

0:34:38.760 --> 0:34:41.080
<v Speaker 1>where it's like I am the coolest guy in the world.

0:34:41.120 --> 0:34:42.600
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to listen to And I look back

0:34:42.640 --> 0:34:44.120
<v Speaker 1>at it now and you're just like, oh my god.

0:34:44.200 --> 0:34:48.120
<v Speaker 1>The arrogance of youth. It is just so horrifying. So

0:34:48.320 --> 0:34:51.120
<v Speaker 1>that couple with not knowing you at all. I mean,

0:34:51.200 --> 0:34:53.400
<v Speaker 1>we didn't become friends until you were there. For like,

0:34:53.640 --> 0:34:55.400
<v Speaker 1>we didn't dislike each other, we just didn't know each other.

0:34:57.360 --> 0:34:59.839
<v Speaker 1>So it was so weird to have the two boy

0:35:00.040 --> 0:35:04.880
<v Speaker 1>to worlds where we just were yeah, yeah, Well, I

0:35:04.920 --> 0:35:07.880
<v Speaker 1>think honestly, to a certain degree, I'm going to say this,

0:35:08.680 --> 0:35:11.120
<v Speaker 1>I think we all could have, but this doesn't really

0:35:11.160 --> 0:35:13.080
<v Speaker 1>work in this kind of work environment or what they do.

0:35:13.600 --> 0:35:16.200
<v Speaker 1>I think they were powers in play that be that

0:35:16.360 --> 0:35:20.759
<v Speaker 1>kind of made us all words are said dropped here

0:35:20.800 --> 0:35:23.719
<v Speaker 1>and there to make us all competitive with each other

0:35:24.360 --> 0:35:28.880
<v Speaker 1>so that we will give stronger performances. You know, certain

0:35:28.960 --> 0:35:32.680
<v Speaker 1>powers played us against one another and had been for years. Frankly,

0:35:32.840 --> 0:35:35.359
<v Speaker 1>so I think at times my relationship, which you did,

0:35:35.480 --> 0:35:38.520
<v Speaker 1>suffer because of that, and because I was really really

0:35:38.640 --> 0:35:42.520
<v Speaker 1>competitive at the time. I just I just wanted everything

0:35:42.600 --> 0:35:44.680
<v Speaker 1>all at once, and I went for it. You know.

0:35:45.640 --> 0:35:48.080
<v Speaker 1>But you'd also been we were we were the kind

0:35:48.120 --> 0:35:49.600
<v Speaker 1>of kids a lot of us had started working at

0:35:49.600 --> 0:35:51.560
<v Speaker 1>a very young age. We were lucky to be on

0:35:51.640 --> 0:35:54.560
<v Speaker 1>this show. You had been like the New York actress,

0:35:54.680 --> 0:35:57.480
<v Speaker 1>fighting and scrapping, and now you're out here away from

0:35:57.520 --> 0:35:59.640
<v Speaker 1>your kids for a while, fighting and scrapping to get

0:35:59.680 --> 0:36:01.960
<v Speaker 1>a job. So again, Daniel's right. We came at this

0:36:02.080 --> 0:36:05.000
<v Speaker 1>from I think your word is exactly right. Privilege just

0:36:05.160 --> 0:36:08.319
<v Speaker 1>a place of privilege, and then you throw on fame

0:36:08.440 --> 0:36:11.440
<v Speaker 1>and money when you're in your teenage years, and it

0:36:11.560 --> 0:36:15.080
<v Speaker 1>just takes it to a whole another levels. I think

0:36:15.120 --> 0:36:18.960
<v Speaker 1>it's probably a pretty accurate term for us. When I

0:36:19.040 --> 0:36:21.799
<v Speaker 1>thought you were taking it for granted, and I thought

0:36:21.840 --> 0:36:24.719
<v Speaker 1>that there were times like when you guys were really

0:36:24.760 --> 0:36:27.640
<v Speaker 1>needed space to play and stuff. I just came from

0:36:27.719 --> 0:36:29.920
<v Speaker 1>like it's such a serious place, like we've got to

0:36:30.000 --> 0:36:32.359
<v Speaker 1>get this job done in the work and I've I've

0:36:32.440 --> 0:36:34.680
<v Speaker 1>waited so long to get here, and you know, so

0:36:34.800 --> 0:36:38.520
<v Speaker 1>I just wasn't a total different headspace. And but what

0:36:38.719 --> 0:36:42.320
<v Speaker 1>I think what's more important for me over the years

0:36:42.600 --> 0:36:45.360
<v Speaker 1>is to be to realize that life is not fair

0:36:45.960 --> 0:36:49.080
<v Speaker 1>and not everybody had to do a scrape up from

0:36:49.120 --> 0:36:52.279
<v Speaker 1>the bottom to get up. Everybody's journey is different and

0:36:52.480 --> 0:36:54.759
<v Speaker 1>I and I have to respect. As much as I

0:36:54.880 --> 0:36:57.040
<v Speaker 1>want you to respect my journey, I have to respect

0:36:57.120 --> 0:36:59.920
<v Speaker 1>your journey, especially now that we're older, and you know,

0:37:00.040 --> 0:37:02.240
<v Speaker 1>it just is what it is. It doesn't It doesn't

0:37:02.320 --> 0:37:04.759
<v Speaker 1>help me to to look at you guys and be like, oh, well,

0:37:04.840 --> 0:37:06.840
<v Speaker 1>she just had a podet commercial and made it. You

0:37:06.880 --> 0:37:13.320
<v Speaker 1>know what. Our relationship, I actually enjoyed being friends with

0:37:13.480 --> 0:37:17.000
<v Speaker 1>Danielle way more than that little stigma that people tend

0:37:17.080 --> 0:37:19.919
<v Speaker 1>to hang on, you know. And also, let's just get real,

0:37:20.000 --> 0:37:22.719
<v Speaker 1>I'm a black actress. I mean, there's not There was

0:37:22.760 --> 0:37:24.880
<v Speaker 1>a great sweet time in the nineties when they were

0:37:25.000 --> 0:37:27.359
<v Speaker 1>using us to build up the up N and they

0:37:27.360 --> 0:37:29.960
<v Speaker 1>were using us to build up Fox Network, and it

0:37:30.160 --> 0:37:32.840
<v Speaker 1>ended and I caught a sweet spot in that time,

0:37:33.360 --> 0:37:36.000
<v Speaker 1>and um, it was amazing to be able to to

0:37:36.200 --> 0:37:38.680
<v Speaker 1>to hop on your show. It's it's just they're just

0:37:39.040 --> 0:37:41.760
<v Speaker 1>are weren't a lot of opportunities. They were very farmed

0:37:41.800 --> 0:37:53.000
<v Speaker 1>into a narrow path. We mentioned a bunch of the

0:37:53.040 --> 0:37:55.520
<v Speaker 1>shows that you had done before Boy Meets World, and

0:37:55.640 --> 0:37:58.760
<v Speaker 1>almost all of them, maybe all of them were entirely

0:37:58.880 --> 0:38:03.359
<v Speaker 1>black casts. Yeah, and then you come onto Boy Meets World,

0:38:03.440 --> 0:38:07.840
<v Speaker 1>which we have acknowledged her multiple times is the whitest

0:38:07.960 --> 0:38:13.440
<v Speaker 1>white cast and almost an exclusively white crew. There was

0:38:13.520 --> 0:38:20.719
<v Speaker 1>one lighting guy. Okay, well, and there's one lighting guy.

0:38:21.000 --> 0:38:24.319
<v Speaker 1>Because what was that like for you? I mean, you were,

0:38:24.719 --> 0:38:27.239
<v Speaker 1>like you said, it was very You were very comfortable

0:38:27.440 --> 0:38:29.239
<v Speaker 1>in that way because that was very much how you

0:38:29.320 --> 0:38:32.800
<v Speaker 1>grew up. But but still, what was that experience like

0:38:32.960 --> 0:38:36.680
<v Speaker 1>for you? It all right, it was comfortable for me

0:38:37.080 --> 0:38:39.800
<v Speaker 1>because of course my upbringing. But it also took a

0:38:39.880 --> 0:38:45.000
<v Speaker 1>lot of biting my tongue too, especially okay, when we

0:38:45.239 --> 0:38:48.600
<v Speaker 1>weren't filming, Okay, and everyone or when we were filming

0:38:48.960 --> 0:38:52.200
<v Speaker 1>and everyone would be back around that table at craft Services.

0:38:52.320 --> 0:38:57.359
<v Speaker 1>You know, that's where the real party was. So that's

0:38:57.400 --> 0:38:59.680
<v Speaker 1>when I when I wasn't filming and I'm kneeling around,

0:38:59.719 --> 0:39:01.320
<v Speaker 1>there's is especially on tape of nights. That's what I

0:39:01.320 --> 0:39:05.000
<v Speaker 1>would hear certain things or conversations people would say, and

0:39:05.080 --> 0:39:07.080
<v Speaker 1>I'd be and I'd have to go home and I would,

0:39:07.400 --> 0:39:09.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, really tell my husband at the time, I

0:39:09.480 --> 0:39:11.920
<v Speaker 1>can't believe they just said that. Like one mom, I'm

0:39:11.960 --> 0:39:15.040
<v Speaker 1>not gonna say too. It was at the time they

0:39:15.080 --> 0:39:17.239
<v Speaker 1>had another little TV that would have the news and

0:39:17.280 --> 0:39:19.800
<v Speaker 1>then they'd have the show. So one mom it was

0:39:19.960 --> 0:39:22.279
<v Speaker 1>voting time in California and they had some prop for

0:39:22.320 --> 0:39:25.680
<v Speaker 1>the Indians to get something. So one mom of one

0:39:25.719 --> 0:39:29.000
<v Speaker 1>of the best ever said, um, we don't know all

0:39:29.040 --> 0:39:33.040
<v Speaker 1>these Indians. I damn playing, you know. So it was

0:39:33.120 --> 0:39:35.719
<v Speaker 1>a lot of stuff like that. Would sometimes not a

0:39:35.840 --> 0:39:40.200
<v Speaker 1>lot what would happen, and I'd be like, think, though

0:39:40.719 --> 0:39:43.240
<v Speaker 1>I really had nobody to back me to say anything,

0:39:44.320 --> 0:39:47.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, or because she was kind of saying, it's everybody.

0:39:47.080 --> 0:39:49.040
<v Speaker 1>Anybody could have come in and said anything, you know.

0:39:49.160 --> 0:39:52.480
<v Speaker 1>So sometimes things or some sons I would just just

0:39:52.680 --> 0:39:57.840
<v Speaker 1>and I would just understand that some of our experiences

0:39:58.000 --> 0:40:01.120
<v Speaker 1>were not the same and our belief systems were not

0:40:01.280 --> 0:40:03.839
<v Speaker 1>the same. So it only really came into play when

0:40:04.080 --> 0:40:08.160
<v Speaker 1>people would speak their political issues on the set because

0:40:08.520 --> 0:40:12.240
<v Speaker 1>The reality is is you don't have to know anything

0:40:12.320 --> 0:40:14.200
<v Speaker 1>about me. You don't have to know anything about my

0:40:14.320 --> 0:40:17.799
<v Speaker 1>culture to get ahead in America. UM. I was taught

0:40:17.840 --> 0:40:19.800
<v Speaker 1>at a young age by my grandmother who was in

0:40:19.880 --> 0:40:22.239
<v Speaker 1>the working force and in the in the army, and

0:40:23.280 --> 0:40:26.400
<v Speaker 1>she was a just a great woman, and she always

0:40:26.440 --> 0:40:29.920
<v Speaker 1>worked in the white world. And we have to know

0:40:30.040 --> 0:40:32.399
<v Speaker 1>about you, we have to know how to get along

0:40:32.480 --> 0:40:37.400
<v Speaker 1>with you. UM. I have family members, you know, from Philly,

0:40:37.760 --> 0:40:39.440
<v Speaker 1>who if I brought them into a room with a

0:40:39.480 --> 0:40:41.600
<v Speaker 1>bunch of white people, they were just walked right out

0:40:41.640 --> 0:40:48.640
<v Speaker 1>the door because they wouldn't know really how to relate

0:40:48.680 --> 0:40:50.600
<v Speaker 1>to I. Really, I do want to thank my grandmother

0:40:51.920 --> 0:40:55.000
<v Speaker 1>for giving me that education, making me go to those

0:40:55.000 --> 0:40:58.600
<v Speaker 1>schools to be able to, um, get ahead, and that

0:40:59.120 --> 0:41:02.680
<v Speaker 1>then that part of society which is important to any

0:41:02.760 --> 0:41:04.880
<v Speaker 1>black and marriage to be able to achieve we have

0:41:05.040 --> 0:41:09.080
<v Speaker 1>to be able to compete, um with the masses. So um,

0:41:10.080 --> 0:41:12.879
<v Speaker 1>the feeling I always was watching, I always was taking

0:41:12.920 --> 0:41:15.200
<v Speaker 1>on my grandma, which she would say in the workplace,

0:41:15.480 --> 0:41:17.799
<v Speaker 1>So that meant biting my tongue a lot. It wasn't

0:41:17.800 --> 0:41:20.480
<v Speaker 1>that wasn't for me to get into every conversation I

0:41:20.600 --> 0:41:23.040
<v Speaker 1>want to say though, because Trina, you're you're talking right

0:41:23.080 --> 0:41:25.160
<v Speaker 1>now for sure about times where you bit your tongue,

0:41:25.200 --> 0:41:27.120
<v Speaker 1>and I know that that had to happen, but I

0:41:27.239 --> 0:41:30.880
<v Speaker 1>also there was very specifically a time that you didn't

0:41:30.960 --> 0:41:33.000
<v Speaker 1>bite your tongue and it was with a conversation that

0:41:33.080 --> 0:41:34.800
<v Speaker 1>you had with Will. And I want you guys to

0:41:34.880 --> 0:41:38.280
<v Speaker 1>talk about it because I bring it up only because

0:41:38.440 --> 0:41:42.359
<v Speaker 1>it is such an important moment in Will's life, specifically

0:41:42.680 --> 0:41:44.920
<v Speaker 1>that he has given you credit for over and over

0:41:45.000 --> 0:41:48.160
<v Speaker 1>again as being somebody who has changed his life. And

0:41:48.320 --> 0:41:51.080
<v Speaker 1>so why don't you guys talk just very briefly. We

0:41:51.160 --> 0:41:52.759
<v Speaker 1>have been in the news for this. It's been we

0:41:52.840 --> 0:41:54.480
<v Speaker 1>have talked about it ad nauseum, so we do not

0:41:54.520 --> 0:41:55.759
<v Speaker 1>want to spend a lot of time on it, but

0:41:56.080 --> 0:41:58.160
<v Speaker 1>I do want you guys to touch on it. Yeah,

0:41:58.239 --> 0:42:00.160
<v Speaker 1>we can touch on it, but it's Trina and I

0:42:00.320 --> 0:42:03.480
<v Speaker 1>have have been through this now a number of times.

0:42:03.920 --> 0:42:06.000
<v Speaker 1>So can you please tell the story so that we

0:42:06.120 --> 0:42:09.480
<v Speaker 1>can Here's how Here's how I remember, Here's how I

0:42:09.600 --> 0:42:11.759
<v Speaker 1>remember the story, and and and trying to correct me

0:42:11.800 --> 0:42:13.640
<v Speaker 1>if I'm wrong, writer was there as well, but here's

0:42:13.640 --> 0:42:16.880
<v Speaker 1>how I remember the story. So we used to always

0:42:17.160 --> 0:42:19.320
<v Speaker 1>make fun of each other on the set. That was

0:42:19.440 --> 0:42:22.960
<v Speaker 1>like our thing. I saw you come out of the

0:42:23.120 --> 0:42:26.839
<v Speaker 1>dressing room in a big red head scarf. In my head,

0:42:27.320 --> 0:42:31.479
<v Speaker 1>I attached no cultural significance to that whatsoever. I saw

0:42:32.080 --> 0:42:34.400
<v Speaker 1>a person who I thought was my friend but didn't

0:42:34.480 --> 0:42:39.120
<v Speaker 1>know all that well wearing a big red hat. It

0:42:39.320 --> 0:42:41.840
<v Speaker 1>was comfortable and you know enough, but you and I

0:42:41.920 --> 0:42:44.840
<v Speaker 1>still hadn't worked together a ton. But I was like,

0:42:45.120 --> 0:42:47.560
<v Speaker 1>you're part of the cast, so that means gonna make

0:42:47.640 --> 0:42:49.200
<v Speaker 1>fun of you the same way and make fun So

0:42:49.440 --> 0:42:52.080
<v Speaker 1>I thought, gonna make fun of her red hat. That's

0:42:52.120 --> 0:42:55.719
<v Speaker 1>as far as my dumbass, privileged mind saw it. And

0:42:55.920 --> 0:42:58.600
<v Speaker 1>so right before I walked on for my part, I

0:42:58.719 --> 0:43:01.360
<v Speaker 1>walked by and went love your syrup, and walked onto

0:43:01.440 --> 0:43:05.719
<v Speaker 1>the set, thinking boom Zing just got her for her hat.

0:43:06.719 --> 0:43:09.359
<v Speaker 1>I heard Rider laughing like it was like, hey, that's

0:43:09.440 --> 0:43:12.960
<v Speaker 1>what it was then exactly. But then so we finished this,

0:43:13.120 --> 0:43:15.080
<v Speaker 1>We finished the scene, and you came up to me

0:43:15.160 --> 0:43:18.960
<v Speaker 1>and you're like, that was not that was not okay,

0:43:19.080 --> 0:43:20.719
<v Speaker 1>And I was like what, I had no idea what

0:43:20.800 --> 0:43:23.040
<v Speaker 1>you were talking about. It's like what And you went that,

0:43:23.719 --> 0:43:26.000
<v Speaker 1>referring to me as Anthrew. Mima was like, oh my god,

0:43:26.040 --> 0:43:28.640
<v Speaker 1>I assumed that was like I remember saying this to you.

0:43:28.719 --> 0:43:30.480
<v Speaker 1>I was like, I assumed that was like you calling

0:43:30.520 --> 0:43:34.680
<v Speaker 1>me the jolly green giant and you're like, no, no,

0:43:35.040 --> 0:43:38.239
<v Speaker 1>that's not the same thing at all. And you explained

0:43:38.280 --> 0:43:40.560
<v Speaker 1>to me, of course I had no idea. Especially I'm

0:43:40.600 --> 0:43:43.520
<v Speaker 1>not trying to you never use the time as an excuse,

0:43:43.600 --> 0:43:46.720
<v Speaker 1>but the mid nineties, I had no idea the cultural

0:43:46.800 --> 0:43:53.440
<v Speaker 1>significance of the Anthrew being so surrounded by mostly, if

0:43:53.520 --> 0:43:59.040
<v Speaker 1>not all, white people. All I've never heard that. I

0:43:59.160 --> 0:44:01.520
<v Speaker 1>had no idea. So I was and I've used this

0:44:01.600 --> 0:44:05.200
<v Speaker 1>word about other things, but mortified because the last thing

0:44:05.280 --> 0:44:07.680
<v Speaker 1>you want to think is you're part of the problem,

0:44:07.760 --> 0:44:09.440
<v Speaker 1>Like your ignorance is part of the problem. I had

0:44:09.520 --> 0:44:11.400
<v Speaker 1>no idea. I was like in my head, I was going,

0:44:11.680 --> 0:44:13.040
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I made fun of her because of her hat.

0:44:13.120 --> 0:44:14.719
<v Speaker 1>That's all I was trying to do. Like what what

0:44:15.000 --> 0:44:19.239
<v Speaker 1>just happened? And I remember you very patiently explaining to

0:44:19.320 --> 0:44:21.800
<v Speaker 1>me why I was an idiot, and we hugged and

0:44:21.920 --> 0:44:27.200
<v Speaker 1>walked away. But I was shaken. I felt really small, likeluse,

0:44:27.239 --> 0:44:30.040
<v Speaker 1>could you not think about it? You're on the white

0:44:30.120 --> 0:44:37.439
<v Speaker 1>set with all the white people and oh, of course yeah,

0:44:37.600 --> 0:44:39.959
<v Speaker 1>and I was playing I was the nineteen or whatever.

0:44:40.000 --> 0:44:44.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm playing the joke like and and so you walked away,

0:44:44.760 --> 0:44:47.279
<v Speaker 1>and I remember like literally shaking, and then Rider and

0:44:47.320 --> 0:44:49.160
<v Speaker 1>I started talking, and it's a conversation that he and

0:44:49.239 --> 0:44:52.400
<v Speaker 1>I have had a hundred and fifty times since because

0:44:52.440 --> 0:44:57.040
<v Speaker 1>it literally changed my life. Where that moment was the

0:44:57.120 --> 0:45:00.000
<v Speaker 1>moment where I was like, you can't just say stuff.

0:45:00.640 --> 0:45:03.480
<v Speaker 1>You can't just throw things out there because you think

0:45:03.560 --> 0:45:07.479
<v Speaker 1>it's funny. But ah and walk away. You're you're hurting.

0:45:07.520 --> 0:45:09.799
<v Speaker 1>You could be hurting people. You could legitimately be hurting

0:45:09.800 --> 0:45:12.360
<v Speaker 1>people because you think it's funny. So what I actually

0:45:12.440 --> 0:45:15.359
<v Speaker 1>did is I asked people I knew. I just kept

0:45:15.440 --> 0:45:19.279
<v Speaker 1>telling friends and family the story and and they were like,

0:45:19.360 --> 0:45:21.439
<v Speaker 1>now it doesn't sound RACI, it just sounds really dumb.

0:45:23.560 --> 0:45:26.480
<v Speaker 1>Then literally, that was the feedback that I kept getting.

0:45:26.600 --> 0:45:30.120
<v Speaker 1>I didn't know. Yah, this is the thing. Will you

0:45:30.280 --> 0:45:35.120
<v Speaker 1>become part of the issue nowadays when you have to

0:45:35.200 --> 0:45:38.959
<v Speaker 1>move in spaces with people of color and you don't

0:45:39.000 --> 0:45:41.640
<v Speaker 1>really have to, you don't have to buy right, but

0:45:41.760 --> 0:45:44.880
<v Speaker 1>it would behieve you by right to learn about them

0:45:44.920 --> 0:45:47.239
<v Speaker 1>as much as you can. You know, you didn't ask

0:45:47.360 --> 0:45:49.200
<v Speaker 1>to back then, nor were you told to, nor were

0:45:49.239 --> 0:45:52.319
<v Speaker 1>you didn't affect your check nothing, you know what I'm saying.

0:45:52.880 --> 0:45:55.640
<v Speaker 1>The real tragedy in in all of it is the

0:45:55.760 --> 0:45:57.360
<v Speaker 1>years that went by that we First of all, we

0:45:57.440 --> 0:46:00.160
<v Speaker 1>didn't talk about it because because I really kept did

0:46:01.120 --> 0:46:03.359
<v Speaker 1>you know, because I think that also because like when

0:46:03.400 --> 0:46:06.359
<v Speaker 1>you said, how was it being in such a white show,

0:46:06.840 --> 0:46:08.760
<v Speaker 1>and I said, it was a lot of mouth shutting,

0:46:09.080 --> 0:46:11.560
<v Speaker 1>So you gotta think. I think by time that happened,

0:46:11.760 --> 0:46:14.840
<v Speaker 1>maybe we were second season or end of the first season,

0:46:15.080 --> 0:46:17.080
<v Speaker 1>so I really call a lot it happened, you know,

0:46:21.360 --> 0:46:23.799
<v Speaker 1>little things right right. It may have been the end

0:46:23.840 --> 0:46:26.840
<v Speaker 1>of the sixth season. Yeah, yeah, I don't know. It

0:46:27.120 --> 0:46:29.480
<v Speaker 1>flusters me to this day that I that I said

0:46:29.560 --> 0:46:32.360
<v Speaker 1>something like that to you out of such ignorance, and

0:46:32.400 --> 0:46:34.960
<v Speaker 1>I did apologize at the time, and then I apologized

0:46:35.000 --> 0:46:37.040
<v Speaker 1>in the letter that I wrote you because I was like,

0:46:37.120 --> 0:46:39.640
<v Speaker 1>oh my god, I can't believe that that this is

0:46:39.680 --> 0:46:42.279
<v Speaker 1>still going on because I thought we were we were

0:46:42.320 --> 0:46:44.200
<v Speaker 1>so cool. And then it's like, well, no, of course

0:46:44.239 --> 0:46:46.359
<v Speaker 1>it's still gonna matter. I mean, it's it's I said

0:46:46.400 --> 0:46:51.760
<v Speaker 1>something stupid and hollywand Hollywood doesn't do well for trust issues,

0:46:51.960 --> 0:46:54.560
<v Speaker 1>you know. And then of course the press. Yeah, the

0:46:54.600 --> 0:46:56.440
<v Speaker 1>press takes it and does what they want to do.

0:46:56.640 --> 0:46:58.920
<v Speaker 1>That's something I just want to do say. I did

0:46:59.000 --> 0:47:01.160
<v Speaker 1>not and this is just for me to say in general.

0:47:01.360 --> 0:47:03.839
<v Speaker 1>When I was you know, Matt Matt saying on Twitter, hand,

0:47:03.880 --> 0:47:05.279
<v Speaker 1>I didn't like this, and I didn't like this, and

0:47:05.920 --> 0:47:08.200
<v Speaker 1>you know, for me, it really was a matter of

0:47:08.719 --> 0:47:12.400
<v Speaker 1>I was frustrated. I felt that on my respect level

0:47:13.120 --> 0:47:17.160
<v Speaker 1>was not um appreciated, not that, and and and people

0:47:17.239 --> 0:47:20.160
<v Speaker 1>come in and make comments, Oh you you're you think

0:47:20.480 --> 0:47:23.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't know people people diminished what I think? What

0:47:24.320 --> 0:47:28.480
<v Speaker 1>was my bar of of respect? Okay? And I do

0:47:28.640 --> 0:47:30.880
<v Speaker 1>want to I do want to say this, Okay, and this,

0:47:31.040 --> 0:47:33.200
<v Speaker 1>And I don't want to come off arrogant saying this

0:47:33.360 --> 0:47:35.400
<v Speaker 1>or anything. It's just just about how I view my

0:47:37.120 --> 0:47:42.000
<v Speaker 1>placement in the show. Okay. You guys had a phenomenal

0:47:42.080 --> 0:47:44.960
<v Speaker 1>show from day one, cast chemistry, you had your first season,

0:47:45.000 --> 0:47:46.839
<v Speaker 1>you worked. I mean, this show is such a great,

0:47:46.880 --> 0:47:51.000
<v Speaker 1>amazing team effort. You know. Um, when I came on

0:47:51.120 --> 0:47:54.960
<v Speaker 1>the show, I did my first season. Um, halfway through

0:47:54.960 --> 0:47:57.480
<v Speaker 1>the first season, are are maybe the second season. I'm

0:47:57.520 --> 0:47:59.680
<v Speaker 1>not sure actually, but I asked Michael Jacobs, I said,

0:47:59.680 --> 0:48:03.160
<v Speaker 1>can I the show which featured me, um and something

0:48:03.239 --> 0:48:06.000
<v Speaker 1>about my character. I actually asked for those two shows

0:48:06.080 --> 0:48:09.960
<v Speaker 1>that were Angela's Men and Angela's Ashes. So um, when

0:48:10.040 --> 0:48:15.520
<v Speaker 1>the first show was shot, okay, and when the show

0:48:16.960 --> 0:48:20.840
<v Speaker 1>when we were um doing every week, we had Nielsen's ratings.

0:48:20.880 --> 0:48:25.400
<v Speaker 1>They came out every Wednesday. Okay. So the week before

0:48:25.520 --> 0:48:29.040
<v Speaker 1>that show aired, Angela's Men, Boy Meat's World was number

0:48:29.160 --> 0:48:32.560
<v Speaker 1>fifty two okay in the ratings. I'll never forget this.

0:48:33.360 --> 0:48:38.480
<v Speaker 1>When they aired Angela's Men, a great team effort. You

0:48:38.920 --> 0:48:42.359
<v Speaker 1>You were amazing will in that effort. Um. I think

0:48:42.400 --> 0:48:44.680
<v Speaker 1>the fact that they had aired a show that was

0:48:45.200 --> 0:48:48.960
<v Speaker 1>me with of me that brought in a whole new audience. Okay.

0:48:50.040 --> 0:48:53.320
<v Speaker 1>The ratings jumped from seventeen on that show, from fifty

0:48:53.400 --> 0:48:56.400
<v Speaker 1>two to seventeen. Am I saying that's all me and

0:48:56.520 --> 0:48:58.799
<v Speaker 1>the No, it's not like that. But at the time

0:48:59.239 --> 0:49:02.600
<v Speaker 1>I knew at that met that show had everything to

0:49:02.719 --> 0:49:06.120
<v Speaker 1>do not only with the up jump of ratings, but

0:49:06.280 --> 0:49:08.400
<v Speaker 1>also with the show being we were picked up two

0:49:08.440 --> 0:49:10.120
<v Speaker 1>weeks after that ware. Everyone thought we were going to

0:49:10.200 --> 0:49:13.200
<v Speaker 1>be canceled. About two weeks after that, we were canceled.

0:49:13.280 --> 0:49:16.040
<v Speaker 1>So lie thing is is everybody did their part, but

0:49:16.160 --> 0:49:18.279
<v Speaker 1>you can't deny that there was an audience that I

0:49:18.440 --> 0:49:22.839
<v Speaker 1>brought in that helped Jump to To give it another way,

0:49:23.520 --> 0:49:26.839
<v Speaker 1>usually when when cast members are added, it's called jump

0:49:26.960 --> 0:49:29.680
<v Speaker 1>the shark. Then there's the show's going down. You know,

0:49:29.800 --> 0:49:32.919
<v Speaker 1>I'm talk about will when you don't start, you know, yeah,

0:49:33.400 --> 0:49:39.840
<v Speaker 1>and that's Boy Meets World always. Um, it was was

0:49:40.000 --> 0:49:43.279
<v Speaker 1>not inclusive to its own peril. And like I mean,

0:49:43.360 --> 0:49:46.040
<v Speaker 1>we were we were a hit show obviously in certain regards,

0:49:46.280 --> 0:49:51.680
<v Speaker 1>but we also we followed family Matters and hanging Mr

0:49:51.760 --> 0:49:55.239
<v Speaker 1>Cooper was after we were in a huge like a

0:49:55.360 --> 0:50:02.040
<v Speaker 1>predominantly black block, betting that that audience in any way

0:50:02.360 --> 0:50:05.239
<v Speaker 1>and Eily Matters had better ratings than it was, so stupid,

0:50:05.560 --> 0:50:08.120
<v Speaker 1>you know, look in retrospect, and it was you know,

0:50:08.280 --> 0:50:10.680
<v Speaker 1>I don't think it was. I don't think it was

0:50:10.800 --> 0:50:15.799
<v Speaker 1>a consciously racist effort. But obviously there was an unconscious

0:50:15.880 --> 0:50:20.000
<v Speaker 1>bias on our show, you know, where we were completely like, well,

0:50:20.080 --> 0:50:21.680
<v Speaker 1>let's just right show, you know, in the same way

0:50:21.760 --> 0:50:25.640
<v Speaker 1>that our show didn't didn't have like great female characters.

0:50:25.719 --> 0:50:27.279
<v Speaker 1>For so long or didn't have you know, like we

0:50:27.280 --> 0:50:29.480
<v Speaker 1>talked about Betsy Randall not having like much of a

0:50:29.560 --> 0:50:31.600
<v Speaker 1>part because you know, so I mean, I you know,

0:50:31.680 --> 0:50:35.520
<v Speaker 1>we were limited by our worldview and so much so

0:50:35.760 --> 0:50:39.080
<v Speaker 1>like and I think, yeah, by the time they finally

0:50:39.719 --> 0:50:41.560
<v Speaker 1>brought you onto the show train and that was like

0:50:41.800 --> 0:50:46.440
<v Speaker 1>three years too late, you know, five years Alex Dessert,

0:50:46.640 --> 0:50:49.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, Alex Desert Alex, and they did nothing with him,

0:50:49.239 --> 0:50:52.840
<v Speaker 1>Like it was the most like, uh, you know, you

0:50:52.880 --> 0:50:58.640
<v Speaker 1>talk about a token race racial character, like and so creative,

0:51:00.440 --> 0:51:06.320
<v Speaker 1>least brilliant, and yeah, when you go and then he

0:51:06.400 --> 0:51:08.360
<v Speaker 1>went on to Becker and he and he crushed it

0:51:08.400 --> 0:51:11.360
<v Speaker 1>on Becker for years and years and years. Um no,

0:51:11.560 --> 0:51:13.920
<v Speaker 1>But just to close out our conversation, Tree, now you

0:51:14.000 --> 0:51:17.759
<v Speaker 1>know I love you, I I really do. You absolutely

0:51:17.880 --> 0:51:20.600
<v Speaker 1>changed my life for the better. You've really made me

0:51:20.680 --> 0:51:23.520
<v Speaker 1>a better person. And yeah, I just want I want

0:51:23.560 --> 0:51:25.120
<v Speaker 1>to say one thing also in closing, and that I

0:51:25.280 --> 0:51:27.640
<v Speaker 1>never said in the press that I had raised They

0:51:27.680 --> 0:51:31.239
<v Speaker 1>always say these extreme racist moments. It was one moment

0:51:31.280 --> 0:51:33.600
<v Speaker 1>where you said the syrup thing. I got mad. But

0:51:33.719 --> 0:51:37.680
<v Speaker 1>I don't count that as my entire experience on this show.

0:51:38.080 --> 0:51:39.680
<v Speaker 1>And I'm not saying this to give you a break,

0:51:39.680 --> 0:51:41.680
<v Speaker 1>because I'm kind of damn if I do or damn divide.

0:51:41.880 --> 0:51:43.200
<v Speaker 1>I love you, you know. I'm not trying to be

0:51:43.520 --> 0:51:46.719
<v Speaker 1>like but it's more like that's not my entire experience

0:51:46.800 --> 0:51:49.279
<v Speaker 1>on the show. You guys are not. It's not a

0:51:49.480 --> 0:51:55.120
<v Speaker 1>racial issue. It's more of a trust friendship at the

0:51:55.239 --> 0:51:57.719
<v Speaker 1>time where we were and and and people and you

0:51:57.800 --> 0:52:01.480
<v Speaker 1>guys kind of being snot kids and ship. It's pure

0:52:01.560 --> 0:52:05.200
<v Speaker 1>ignorance it was that I was back then, you know.

0:52:06.280 --> 0:52:09.840
<v Speaker 1>I would just also like to say two in closing

0:52:09.960 --> 0:52:13.120
<v Speaker 1>for this conversation because I know it is so important

0:52:13.160 --> 0:52:15.640
<v Speaker 1>to both of you that you you guys are both

0:52:16.000 --> 0:52:20.399
<v Speaker 1>over this conversation because everyone else wants to everyone wants

0:52:20.440 --> 0:52:34.200
<v Speaker 1>to keep about everybody else to be okay. I want

0:52:34.239 --> 0:52:37.640
<v Speaker 1>to jump back into okay. The conversation this is we

0:52:37.800 --> 0:52:39.759
<v Speaker 1>keep talking about race, but it's so important in in

0:52:40.040 --> 0:52:42.880
<v Speaker 1>in context of the show. I want to talk about

0:52:42.960 --> 0:52:45.960
<v Speaker 1>how you and writer, what the conversations were between the

0:52:46.040 --> 0:52:49.400
<v Speaker 1>two of you, and whether or not those conversations included

0:52:49.440 --> 0:52:51.200
<v Speaker 1>the writers or whether the writers talked about it with

0:52:51.280 --> 0:52:54.200
<v Speaker 1>you guys, whether or not to acknowledge the fact that

0:52:54.360 --> 0:52:57.800
<v Speaker 1>Angela and Sean were in an interracial relationship. Okay, this

0:52:57.960 --> 0:53:00.520
<v Speaker 1>is because my memory is not the great atis on this,

0:53:00.680 --> 0:53:02.759
<v Speaker 1>but what I did parts that do come to me

0:53:02.920 --> 0:53:06.320
<v Speaker 1>is I do remember maybe saying to Michael something like,

0:53:06.360 --> 0:53:08.520
<v Speaker 1>don't you think we should talk about this? But his

0:53:08.640 --> 0:53:10.319
<v Speaker 1>stance was like, we're not gonna talk about it. We're

0:53:10.320 --> 0:53:12.800
<v Speaker 1>not gonna talk about We're not gonna He was solid

0:53:12.960 --> 0:53:17.520
<v Speaker 1>on that. UM. I was very confused at the time

0:53:18.000 --> 0:53:21.360
<v Speaker 1>about whether to talk about it or not. I had to.

0:53:21.840 --> 0:53:26.799
<v Speaker 1>I had two realms of thinking, my job and mankind.

0:53:27.280 --> 0:53:32.320
<v Speaker 1>You know, so not too much, not too much of

0:53:32.360 --> 0:53:38.080
<v Speaker 1>a weight on your shoulder. I UM. At the time,

0:53:38.160 --> 0:53:40.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna be honest, I kind of went with my job.

0:53:40.680 --> 0:53:42.920
<v Speaker 1>So I what I what had happened was is on

0:53:43.040 --> 0:53:46.080
<v Speaker 1>my end, Michael set me up and my husband at

0:53:46.120 --> 0:53:49.080
<v Speaker 1>the time with a publicist. You know, he had set

0:53:49.120 --> 0:53:50.640
<v Speaker 1>me up with the publicist. But they got together with

0:53:50.760 --> 0:53:53.799
<v Speaker 1>my publicist, Dick Gutman at the time, and they went

0:53:53.960 --> 0:53:56.560
<v Speaker 1>to the Daily News and they had me write this

0:53:56.680 --> 0:53:59.360
<v Speaker 1>whole article about why it's so great that we don't

0:53:59.840 --> 0:54:02.840
<v Speaker 1>mention um any color at all. It was in the

0:54:02.880 --> 0:54:04.440
<v Speaker 1>New York Times. You can look it up and how

0:54:04.680 --> 0:54:06.600
<v Speaker 1>it's creating its color by well. The truth is I

0:54:06.640 --> 0:54:09.040
<v Speaker 1>didn't really write that article, and my husband and the

0:54:09.080 --> 0:54:11.640
<v Speaker 1>publicist wrote it, and I just wanted to get upset.

0:54:11.800 --> 0:54:15.480
<v Speaker 1>I had to see the baby, and when I read it,

0:54:15.560 --> 0:54:17.879
<v Speaker 1>I kind of felt like, you know, I just can't

0:54:17.920 --> 0:54:19.560
<v Speaker 1>take this on right now. I didn't want to take

0:54:19.560 --> 0:54:23.399
<v Speaker 1>it on, and it wasn't really totally my organic view,

0:54:24.520 --> 0:54:28.600
<v Speaker 1>I do think, and funny enough, this is what why

0:54:28.880 --> 0:54:30.680
<v Speaker 1>you learned to You just say what you need to say.

0:54:31.239 --> 0:54:34.520
<v Speaker 1>Funny enough of rebuttal was written to The Daily News

0:54:34.719 --> 0:54:38.840
<v Speaker 1>by Lorraine Tousant, who said, no, I do not a

0:54:39.040 --> 0:54:43.360
<v Speaker 1>very very famous and very distinguished actress, Lorenejo songs and um,

0:54:43.480 --> 0:54:46.920
<v Speaker 1>she said, no, you must acknowledge that these are two

0:54:47.040 --> 0:54:50.399
<v Speaker 1>two different races getting together. It's very serious. It's it's

0:54:50.640 --> 0:54:52.920
<v Speaker 1>for all of her very good reasons. And I read

0:54:53.000 --> 0:54:55.080
<v Speaker 1>what she said, I actually kind of agreed with her.

0:54:55.360 --> 0:54:59.000
<v Speaker 1>But I was twenty six or seven at the time. Um,

0:54:59.120 --> 0:55:01.040
<v Speaker 1>I just had so much of my shoulders. I was like,

0:55:01.080 --> 0:55:02.680
<v Speaker 1>just let them run with it, and it seemed to

0:55:02.719 --> 0:55:05.040
<v Speaker 1>be working. And then then there another end of that

0:55:05.080 --> 0:55:07.200
<v Speaker 1>I want to say real quickly, is I get tired.

0:55:07.880 --> 0:55:11.080
<v Speaker 1>Um and most every black actor will tell you this,

0:55:11.280 --> 0:55:15.200
<v Speaker 1>from Sydney Potier um on to to to all of us.

0:55:15.520 --> 0:55:18.440
<v Speaker 1>Sometimes we just don't want the weight of having to

0:55:18.640 --> 0:55:22.440
<v Speaker 1>be always take on the black thing with I'm an actor.

0:55:22.600 --> 0:55:24.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm an actor. I was like, well, I felt kind

0:55:24.560 --> 0:55:26.360
<v Speaker 1>of free for a minute, like I don't have to

0:55:26.440 --> 0:55:29.759
<v Speaker 1>be just carry the weight of on the black girl

0:55:29.880 --> 0:55:32.799
<v Speaker 1>on the show, you know, as Yeah, I'm just I'm

0:55:32.880 --> 0:55:37.279
<v Speaker 1>moving and grooving like everybody else on normal. So that

0:55:37.520 --> 0:55:41.200
<v Speaker 1>help good, that aspect of it. But in reality, no,

0:55:41.480 --> 0:55:44.000
<v Speaker 1>that's not if you're really trying to relate to people,

0:55:44.120 --> 0:55:47.520
<v Speaker 1>and I am trying to help people. People needed to

0:55:47.560 --> 0:55:51.200
<v Speaker 1>talk about it, you know. So what hider with you? Writer?

0:55:51.360 --> 0:55:54.560
<v Speaker 1>Did you say something to Michael or something like? I mean,

0:55:54.640 --> 0:55:57.440
<v Speaker 1>I just remember I remember being very conflicted about it.

0:55:57.520 --> 0:56:02.720
<v Speaker 1>I remember I remember you and me personally being conflicted

0:56:02.760 --> 0:56:07.000
<v Speaker 1>about it, and I remember having conversations constantly about like

0:56:07.200 --> 0:56:10.600
<v Speaker 1>why don't we just references because I think I think

0:56:10.760 --> 0:56:16.640
<v Speaker 1>personally you you were very um proud of and expressive

0:56:16.800 --> 0:56:19.719
<v Speaker 1>of your black identity. Uh and and that was like

0:56:20.160 --> 0:56:23.759
<v Speaker 1>a part of you. I remember you always coming conversations

0:56:23.840 --> 0:56:26.279
<v Speaker 1>with me about your life and how you grew up.

0:56:26.560 --> 0:56:30.160
<v Speaker 1>And for me, just like it was always like, uh,

0:56:30.719 --> 0:56:32.759
<v Speaker 1>this is different, you know, this is this is this

0:56:32.840 --> 0:56:34.960
<v Speaker 1>person had a different experience than me, and I had

0:56:35.000 --> 0:56:36.400
<v Speaker 1>a different you know, even though we had the hippie

0:56:36.400 --> 0:56:39.239
<v Speaker 1>school thing apparently in the background for the most part,

0:56:39.320 --> 0:56:43.960
<v Speaker 1>I remember loving the difference and and recognized it, Oh

0:56:44.080 --> 0:56:48.200
<v Speaker 1>treats experience not only in real life, but on this

0:56:48.400 --> 0:56:51.080
<v Speaker 1>set right now is very different, and I loved it.

0:56:51.200 --> 0:56:53.680
<v Speaker 1>I loved being included in that. Like you and I

0:56:53.920 --> 0:56:57.920
<v Speaker 1>bonded very quickly. And I just remember, like by by

0:56:57.960 --> 0:57:00.440
<v Speaker 1>like eighteen and nineteen, being like, ohren is like a

0:57:00.560 --> 0:57:03.800
<v Speaker 1>good friend and this is a real like I'm learning

0:57:03.880 --> 0:57:06.400
<v Speaker 1>a lot, and this is an exposure to something that like.

0:57:06.719 --> 0:57:08.840
<v Speaker 1>And I remember you and I having conversations where you

0:57:08.920 --> 0:57:10.880
<v Speaker 1>would sort of be like, can you believe that this

0:57:11.160 --> 0:57:13.320
<v Speaker 1>happening in our set? Did you see that? And I

0:57:13.480 --> 0:57:16.160
<v Speaker 1>was made aware of things that I wouldn't have been otherwise,

0:57:16.200 --> 0:57:17.840
<v Speaker 1>do you know what I mean? And so I think

0:57:17.960 --> 0:57:22.320
<v Speaker 1>for me, I felt I but at the charitable reading

0:57:22.320 --> 0:57:25.240
<v Speaker 1>about Boy Meets World at the time is that we

0:57:25.360 --> 0:57:30.560
<v Speaker 1>were in the nineties MULTICULTI positive moment where uh it

0:57:30.760 --> 0:57:34.040
<v Speaker 1>was It was this idealism of color blindness, right, so

0:57:34.240 --> 0:57:36.760
<v Speaker 1>we're going to we're not going to reference race on

0:57:36.840 --> 0:57:40.600
<v Speaker 1>the show because that's the ideal, is that everybody's color

0:57:40.640 --> 0:57:43.120
<v Speaker 1>blind and we don't see differences, and that's gonna like

0:57:43.600 --> 0:57:46.360
<v Speaker 1>on a kids show, being a model for people. And

0:57:46.440 --> 0:57:48.560
<v Speaker 1>I think there's maybe some truth that I do think

0:57:48.600 --> 0:57:50.720
<v Speaker 1>that there's there are people that have have said to

0:57:50.800 --> 0:57:54.040
<v Speaker 1>me that that was good, um, and I think that's like,

0:57:54.680 --> 0:57:57.040
<v Speaker 1>but I also think that was an easy choice. I

0:57:57.120 --> 0:57:59.840
<v Speaker 1>think it's easy and and and it also can read

0:58:00.040 --> 0:58:03.840
<v Speaker 1>to black people as we don't like when people say

0:58:04.080 --> 0:58:06.640
<v Speaker 1>I don't see color, I don't see color. And when

0:58:06.680 --> 0:58:09.600
<v Speaker 1>I talked to cour see color. You know what I'm saying,

0:58:09.640 --> 0:58:12.320
<v Speaker 1>it's there, I see your color. We just can we

0:58:12.440 --> 0:58:14.800
<v Speaker 1>just respect it. We can even laugh and make jokes,

0:58:15.160 --> 0:58:18.240
<v Speaker 1>but we just don't disrespect or do mean and we

0:58:18.360 --> 0:58:22.360
<v Speaker 1>definitely don't replay, you know, the negative aspects of our

0:58:22.440 --> 0:58:25.640
<v Speaker 1>of our color differences. Really, it was an offshoot, though,

0:58:25.760 --> 0:58:28.000
<v Speaker 1>of what the success of the Cosby Show, and you know,

0:58:28.200 --> 0:58:30.840
<v Speaker 1>Cosby's whole thing was, we're not going to reference race.

0:58:31.480 --> 0:58:35.840
<v Speaker 1>The reality there, though, is you have an entirely all

0:58:35.920 --> 0:58:39.360
<v Speaker 1>black cast you probably have black writing staff, you know,

0:58:39.600 --> 0:58:42.439
<v Speaker 1>so like for us to compare ourselves to that sort

0:58:42.480 --> 0:58:47.080
<v Speaker 1>of post racial ideal was and always was, and in

0:58:47.200 --> 0:58:49.240
<v Speaker 1>retrospect like it was an easy out. It was an

0:58:49.240 --> 0:58:50.919
<v Speaker 1>easy out for our writing staff, It was an easy

0:58:50.960 --> 0:58:53.000
<v Speaker 1>out for our white actors. It was an easy out

0:58:53.000 --> 0:58:55.600
<v Speaker 1>for all of us. And I mean, you know, I

0:58:55.800 --> 0:58:58.120
<v Speaker 1>didn't know that about the article. I remember you writing

0:58:58.160 --> 0:59:00.960
<v Speaker 1>the article, or I remember reading your article and just

0:59:01.080 --> 0:59:03.760
<v Speaker 1>being proud that it was supportive of of us and

0:59:03.800 --> 0:59:11.600
<v Speaker 1>sort of getting acknowledgment of a job, okay, article being honest,

0:59:11.760 --> 0:59:16.640
<v Speaker 1>you know. So if I had to do it over

0:59:16.720 --> 0:59:20.360
<v Speaker 1>and I could take my real, real stance of hindsight

0:59:20.440 --> 0:59:23.440
<v Speaker 1>and everything, I would have definitely said I would have

0:59:23.600 --> 0:59:26.640
<v Speaker 1>wrote an opposite article, and I would have pushed more

0:59:27.200 --> 0:59:30.040
<v Speaker 1>for us to have at least more jokes about the

0:59:30.120 --> 0:59:32.320
<v Speaker 1>differences or and it would have been cool to have

0:59:32.440 --> 0:59:34.320
<v Speaker 1>an episode about you know, maybe you come to my

0:59:34.400 --> 0:59:37.240
<v Speaker 1>house and the food is different, or this is different exactly,

0:59:39.680 --> 0:59:42.680
<v Speaker 1>and was just treated as if she were she was

0:59:42.760 --> 0:59:46.680
<v Speaker 1>in white face. Can I tell you something I always

0:59:46.760 --> 0:59:49.680
<v Speaker 1>on the show. You know, this is my normal speaking voice, okay,

0:59:50.120 --> 0:59:53.080
<v Speaker 1>but sometimes from coming from black sitcoms. I always had

0:59:53.120 --> 0:59:55.320
<v Speaker 1>to have like a black meter so so so I

0:59:55.360 --> 0:59:58.360
<v Speaker 1>always when my black meter was probably a down to

0:59:58.440 --> 1:00:01.120
<v Speaker 1>about it too, you know. And I remember one time

1:00:01.120 --> 1:00:04.760
<v Speaker 1>when I was doing a Angela's Ashes episode sometow my

1:00:05.000 --> 1:00:07.400
<v Speaker 1>my black meter had slipped up and I was appy

1:00:07.400 --> 1:00:10.320
<v Speaker 1>about about a nine right. Michael comes over to me

1:00:10.360 --> 1:00:12.640
<v Speaker 1>and his note was, hey, TRAINA just turned down the

1:00:12.720 --> 1:00:15.720
<v Speaker 1>Delma Hopkins about eight notches. And I know exactly what

1:00:15.880 --> 1:00:20.840
<v Speaker 1>you were talking about. And you know, there's just so

1:00:21.000 --> 1:00:22.960
<v Speaker 1>many things you guys are so lucky you didn't have

1:00:23.040 --> 1:00:27.200
<v Speaker 1>to think about. So when I could, I didn't. Sometimes

1:00:27.240 --> 1:00:28.680
<v Speaker 1>it was too much and I just threw it. I

1:00:28.800 --> 1:00:31.320
<v Speaker 1>threw it away at the time, and I'm glad. I

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<v Speaker 1>think I think the majority of people in comments on

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<v Speaker 1>social media is say that they're cool with it not

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<v Speaker 1>being mentioned. But I do say those are predominantly white

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<v Speaker 1>people into racial couples wanted to be talked. I wish

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<v Speaker 1>you had said a little bit more. I wish you

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<v Speaker 1>had said it. And then there are a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>black people who kind of like it, like not mentioned,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, to they're as it was. So for a

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<v Speaker 1>certain subset of people, it's always gonna be like, wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>it be nice if if two people could just love

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<v Speaker 1>each other, you know, regardless of race and not have

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<v Speaker 1>to acknowledge it. I think the reality is it's unavoidable,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's kind of but you know, they're still they're

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<v Speaker 1>still doing that today though. I mean ships Creak is

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<v Speaker 1>like that where they kind of they he talks about

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<v Speaker 1>that were invented world where you know the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>he's bisexual or there's they're the kind of being gay

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<v Speaker 1>is totally accepted to the point where it's never mentioned.

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<v Speaker 1>He's like, that's how I wanted to do it, because

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<v Speaker 1>that's what the town I wanted to live in, where

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<v Speaker 1>it's like it just doesn't matter, you know. Can I

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<v Speaker 1>tell you every interracial couple I see on TV after us,

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<v Speaker 1>I always say they copied us. They copied us everyone

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<v Speaker 1>they were or not the first for teens, I think

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<v Speaker 1>so in General Hospital that looks they use my name

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<v Speaker 1>for the character Trina, and it would just like us.

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<v Speaker 1>And I know, you know, you talked about you talked

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<v Speaker 1>about on the Internet and and feeling like there are

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people who disrespect you and lower the

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<v Speaker 1>bar for know, first of all, that's the Internet is

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<v Speaker 1>just the worst, sometimes the worst place ever. But when

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<v Speaker 1>I tell you the amount of comments and emails we

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<v Speaker 1>get about how important you are to our show, to them,

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<v Speaker 1>how important your relationship with Sean is, how much me

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<v Speaker 1>how much Like I knew it was an important aspect

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<v Speaker 1>of our show, but I am not going to lie

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<v Speaker 1>that it. It is shocking the amount of people who

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<v Speaker 1>reach out and say, Trina, Trina, Trina, Trina, Trina, I

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<v Speaker 1>gotta I gotta show you something. Okay, you are so beloved. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>this is something a fan made me. I've kept it

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<v Speaker 1>over here, scrap book. It's a full scrap of Oh

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<v Speaker 1>my gosh, it's just like a lot. Okay, this is

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<v Speaker 1>how it Because I have an age in a single picture,

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<v Speaker 1>You have an age that possible. That is amazing. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just it's it's amazing. I mean, we're actually relevant

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<v Speaker 1>now because because of the cliffhangers, you know, the whole

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<v Speaker 1>thing Sean and Angela, though, is funny because people keep

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<v Speaker 1>saying I wish they had ended up together. They should

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<v Speaker 1>have been endgame. I am so glad they weren't end

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<v Speaker 1>game because now everybody talks about it. For twenty years nice. Nice,

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<v Speaker 1>I actually do want to ask you about that you

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned asking for the episodes that the two back to

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<v Speaker 1>back episodes, Angela's Men and Angela's Ashes. We have heard

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<v Speaker 1>so many times how upset people are that you were

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<v Speaker 1>not in our series finale. Okay, I got really frankly

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<v Speaker 1>about that. Yes, because we don't we don't ground we

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<v Speaker 1>have not covered okay, because we don't get that all right.

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<v Speaker 1>I was told in a kind of a weird, offhanded

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<v Speaker 1>way by a very important person that you guys all

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<v Speaker 1>went to Michael Jacobs and you said, we don't want

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<v Speaker 1>her in the last episode. What she's she's somehow taking

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<v Speaker 1>our light was the gist of it, and we don't

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<v Speaker 1>want her in the last episode. Wow. Oh yeah, Oh

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<v Speaker 1>my god. So I was told that after I shot

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<v Speaker 1>what was the what was the show before the last episode?

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<v Speaker 1>The show before the last episode was called I think

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<v Speaker 1>it was Angela's Ashes. Yeah, when I left, Okay, So

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<v Speaker 1>I when Michael announced to me, oh, we're gonna do

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<v Speaker 1>another show on Angela, I was just so happy. I

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<v Speaker 1>was and I'm not knowing this was gonna be the

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<v Speaker 1>show before the last show. And I remember after we

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<v Speaker 1>take the show, I had said to a person, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, why why are you in the last show?

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<v Speaker 1>Because I know the last show is gonna be the

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<v Speaker 1>one with all the ratings and all the crying and

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<v Speaker 1>all the stuff. I was under the impression y'all got

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<v Speaker 1>together and did not want me in the last show

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<v Speaker 1>for some reason. I was gonna take some shine or

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<v Speaker 1>something like to that effect. That's what I say. There

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<v Speaker 1>was an element of competitivism there that really probably didn't

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<v Speaker 1>need to be there. That was really hurtful for Tea

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<v Speaker 1>for a long time. And to make it worse, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>people of color um tend to look into things a

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<v Speaker 1>little hard or sometimes so I had cousins calling me saying,

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<v Speaker 1>how come you one in the last episode? So they

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<v Speaker 1>just gave you that whole show so that you would

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<v Speaker 1>be distracted. It wouldn't be in the show with the

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<v Speaker 1>real ratings and the real thing. Several of my cousins,

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<v Speaker 1>my family members are telling me this, and I'm thinking,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, this is strange. And then I was

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<v Speaker 1>hit with that particular news about it, that it was

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<v Speaker 1>some kind of kotata, you know, And then I liked, um,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a true and then I when I watched

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<v Speaker 1>that Lefto, which I've never really fully watched because I've

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<v Speaker 1>always felt funny about it and I always looked at like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>why is Maitland in it? That's what I was going

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<v Speaker 1>to say. I don't remember much of the episode except

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<v Speaker 1>for the class and I was about to ask That's

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<v Speaker 1>what I was at least not in the last scene,

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<v Speaker 1>obviously the last last they're in the last episode, why so, like,

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<v Speaker 1>why the hell would we go? Whoever you're talking about?

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<v Speaker 1>Not even in school with you guys? Ever? Except character?

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<v Speaker 1>Was Math's character moving to New York with us at

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<v Speaker 1>the end of Boy? I don't know because what I remember.

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<v Speaker 1>What I remember was that there were people not like

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<v Speaker 1>I did not want to do this, but I remember

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<v Speaker 1>that there was a conversation about the show continuing, possibly

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<v Speaker 1>being picked up, or a new show with those of

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<v Speaker 1>us who moved to New York going on and creating

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<v Speaker 1>like a twenty something like a spinoff that was years

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<v Speaker 1>later or no, years later, but they I remember there

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<v Speaker 1>was conversation on set that week, people being like, they're

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<v Speaker 1>setting up the potential for a new show with the

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<v Speaker 1>you know, which still excluded Trina you know. So I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not saying anything better. But what I'm saying that like,

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<v Speaker 1>and all I did, I wanted off of the show

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<v Speaker 1>at that point. I mean, I was very sad with

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<v Speaker 1>boy Needs. The world was ending, but I was I

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<v Speaker 1>was already going to Columbia. I was already ready to

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<v Speaker 1>like a rolling and like moved to New York. So

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<v Speaker 1>like I did not want to do that. But I

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<v Speaker 1>remember people talking like, oh, they're potentially ABC is potentially

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<v Speaker 1>setting up a spinoff show with you guys going on

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<v Speaker 1>to New York. But and I honestly, can we say,

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<v Speaker 1>for the for the record, can we say, for the record, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we say, for the record, Trina, that never happened, not

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<v Speaker 1>with the happened every trading on the lives of my children.

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<v Speaker 1>I swear on my marriage and my wife that never

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<v Speaker 1>ever leave you. Oh god, oh god, in my head

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<v Speaker 1>for so long. No, I've never watched that show. I've

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<v Speaker 1>always felt like, and I'm sorry, I'm sorry you say

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<v Speaker 1>that's competitiveness. That's not competitiveness to me, that's like sociopathy. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>this pisces me off. I'm sorry, that's like not real,

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<v Speaker 1>this pisses me off. This is this is next level

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<v Speaker 1>crazy kind of a long time. See I what do

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<v Speaker 1>you want him? An actress? Like we think we think,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like when something happens right and you wish

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<v Speaker 1>you could have said something in somebody some way, but

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<v Speaker 1>so you go over it in your mind you're like,

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<v Speaker 1>I wish I hadn't said that, and I can told

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<v Speaker 1>him this this way. You know what I'm saying. Boyman's

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<v Speaker 1>world is such a big thing. It's such a big thing.

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<v Speaker 1>It's been such a big thing. I haven't had a

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<v Speaker 1>decince boy me. It's world where there's not one day

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<v Speaker 1>I don't hear the word. So give him. Give me

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<v Speaker 1>that credit that it's in my head all the time,

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<v Speaker 1>everywhere I go, and every now and then, maybe ten

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<v Speaker 1>years ago, i'd be like, I wish I had a

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<v Speaker 1>tall tom I did do that. It was really messed up,

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<v Speaker 1>And it's really messed up when you're doing that often

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<v Speaker 1>that's not even like for real. Yeah, And one of

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<v Speaker 1>one of the greatest things that's come out of all

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<v Speaker 1>of this, and us doing conventions together and us talking

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<v Speaker 1>and all of this is that all those years that

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<v Speaker 1>went by when boy Meats World ended, I didn't have

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<v Speaker 1>Traina's phone number. Again, we were in very different places

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<v Speaker 1>in our life we were I think the worst thing

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<v Speaker 1>you could say about our relationship is that we were

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<v Speaker 1>um friendly coworkers more than friends off off stage. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's what I'm saying, you know, That's what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 1>We we What would we have done after work? Like

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<v Speaker 1>you said, you had to go home to a family.

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<v Speaker 1>I was driving Laurel Canyon for funzies like we had um.

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<v Speaker 1>But the thing that that I makes me happiest now

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<v Speaker 1>is that, and that is a regret of mine, is

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<v Speaker 1>the conversations that we had, or like you're saying, where

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<v Speaker 1>things build up over time, where someone told you something

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<v Speaker 1>that was very untrue and hurt you. And when people

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<v Speaker 1>know that, they can get you to feel a certain

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<v Speaker 1>way by playing to the competitiveness and knowing, oh, Danielle

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<v Speaker 1>is so checked out. She's not, she's not. They're not

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<v Speaker 1>going to have that conversation with each other. So I

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<v Speaker 1>can say this and they're never gonna know that I

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<v Speaker 1>said this to her. And because the silence, once it

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<v Speaker 1>hits your brain and then you're silent, the silence grows

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<v Speaker 1>and then the whole imagery of it becomes bigger than

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<v Speaker 1>exactly than what it really is. I would also like

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<v Speaker 1>to point out that that he did not do this,

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<v Speaker 1>at least in my opinion, in my experience, he didn't

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<v Speaker 1>do this to the guys. I mean, yes, it's true

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<v Speaker 1>that we weren't played against each other, but I won't

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<v Speaker 1>go so far as to say we weren't manipulated. Oh no,

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<v Speaker 1>that's different. Manipulated. All weren't played. It wasn't whispering one

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<v Speaker 1>year and then whispering another ear about something else. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think it goes back to Trina's point from before,

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<v Speaker 1>where it's everybody stay in your own lane. Nobody's going

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about anything. Let's stay as divided as we

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<v Speaker 1>possibly can. Yeah, you're just gonna stay as as in

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<v Speaker 1>your and nobody's going to talk about anything. And so

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<v Speaker 1>not only does nothing get done, but as time passes,

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<v Speaker 1>it festers. Yeah. You, by the way, by the time

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<v Speaker 1>you came to Girl Meets World, you had had fourteen

1:11:22.880 --> 1:11:26.320
<v Speaker 1>or fifteen years of believing we got together to keep

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<v Speaker 1>you from being in the seld. And then the interaction

1:11:30.280 --> 1:11:32.360
<v Speaker 1>you have with me is very cold. How could you

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<v Speaker 1>not walk away thinking she hates me? She had after me.

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<v Speaker 1>We have to we're always in competition. We will always

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<v Speaker 1>be in competition. And then when it when we finally

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<v Speaker 1>talked and said, okay, let's just lay it all out.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's what I heard, here's what I heard, here's what

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<v Speaker 1>I heard. And then all that stuff came up and

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<v Speaker 1>we had all our big therapy moments, and then we

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<v Speaker 1>looked at each other and we said, what a shame

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<v Speaker 1>we weren't able to just talk about this from the

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<v Speaker 1>beginning because we have wasted years. Yes, we could have

1:12:02.560 --> 1:12:04.040
<v Speaker 1>helped each other. We could have been there for you

1:12:04.160 --> 1:12:08.000
<v Speaker 1>to strategize. We could have got over on everybody. We

1:12:08.080 --> 1:12:09.720
<v Speaker 1>could have been there for each other the way we've

1:12:09.760 --> 1:12:12.880
<v Speaker 1>been there for each other through multiple hardships over the

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<v Speaker 1>last several years. So that, for me is the biggest

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<v Speaker 1>lesson and the and um and the importance of talking

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<v Speaker 1>and and being willing to dig deep for the same purpose,

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<v Speaker 1>which is growing and becoming better people and doing better

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<v Speaker 1>maybe a better person. You may be a better person

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<v Speaker 1>train all the way through trusting you, guys. I like

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<v Speaker 1>trusting you. It feels really good. I'm so sorry that

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<v Speaker 1>it's Hollwood. Well. We are so grateful that you came

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<v Speaker 1>to have this conversation with us today. We love you.

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<v Speaker 1>So much. We're going to be seeing you a bunch

1:12:51.640 --> 1:12:54.360
<v Speaker 1>over the last several months. We're gonna we're not going

1:12:54.400 --> 1:12:56.800
<v Speaker 1>to watch the episode. I was already and everything. I

1:12:56.920 --> 1:13:02.280
<v Speaker 1>had all my nose. But that's okay, we are. So

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<v Speaker 1>I'm wrapping this episode up. I'm gonna wrap this one up.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll say goodbye to you and then we'll keep you here.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm gonna wrap this one up. So all right,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you, We thank you so much for being here.

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<v Speaker 1>What a wonderful conversation. Was going to stick with us

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<v Speaker 1>to do the recap of our next episode, which is

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<v Speaker 1>episode eleven, The Father Son Game, which originally aired on

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<v Speaker 1>December sevent so stick around for that. But um, Trina,

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<v Speaker 1>we can't thank you enough for being here with us.

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<v Speaker 1>And we love you. We love you, Trina, Thank you,

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<v Speaker 1>we love you all. Pod dismissed Pod Meets World as

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<v Speaker 1>an I Heart podcast produced and hosted by Daniel Fisher,

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<v Speaker 1>Executive in charge of production, Danielle Romo, producer and editor,

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