Speaker 1: I'm going to apologize everybody right after that. By the way,
Speaker 1: if I'm a little out of it because I am
Speaker 1: Dave four of fast, really tell me more about this fast.
Speaker 1: I want to know Sue and I are doing it
Speaker 1: together and it is just wedding fast. Yeah, but it's
Speaker 1: not even It's like, first of all, we look forward
Speaker 1: to the olives like, I know, when you only get
Speaker 1: them two of the games shining on your face, yes,
Speaker 1: like you get it to like we'll look to each
Speaker 1: other six hours before and be like, we get olives,
Speaker 1: it's almost time for allis it is the other thing
Speaker 1: that they don't tell you about, is it makes you
Speaker 1: so gassy that the two of us look at each
Speaker 1: other like, thank god, we're we we we said for
Speaker 1: better or for worse, because this is the worst part.
Speaker 1: This is the part that everyone's talking. Come down to
Speaker 1: it and year olds talking about gas. It's true, bad
Speaker 1: diet fasting, you're gassing is what we're doing right now.
Speaker 1: It is so I'm day four, if I if i'm
Speaker 1: if I'm out of it a little bit, that's why,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, yikes, I get olives today. It's an
Speaker 1: all of day congratulations. If you're going to get that
Speaker 1: one all of like halfway through our show and suddenly
Speaker 1: start perking up. They're talking more. Dude, Seriously. I was
Speaker 1: eating my bar this morning and walked in and she went,
Speaker 1: what are you doing? Slow down, Savorite, that's all your
Speaker 1: small bites, that's all you get into like noon. I
Speaker 1: was like, I know, I know, it's horrible. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: Really I thought i'd start the day is by telling
Speaker 1: you about my my fast Um, good to sea bold
Speaker 1: of you. Is there something we we would rather talk
Speaker 1: about for happening up the show? Is there any other
Speaker 1: pre chatter we would like to I found a anything,
Speaker 1: anything would be better. I have a lump in my armpit? Exactly?
Speaker 1: Is that weird? Is that bizarre? Does anybody else smell purple?
Speaker 1: Is that? Is that weird? We're all really excited about
Speaker 1: our guest today. Um Angela Moore was Shawn's long term
Speaker 1: girlfriend and to Panca's best friend. She is an absolute
Speaker 1: massive fan favorite, and we know her as Trina McGhee.
Speaker 1: She was in fifty nine episodes of Boy Meets World.
Speaker 1: She first appeared in season five, episode two, Boy Meets
Speaker 1: the Real World or actually I think it's Just Boy
Speaker 1: meets Real World and uh, she is absolutely our most
Speaker 1: requested guest by fans. We have been getting your emails.
Speaker 1: We are so excited to have her here. Uh. We
Speaker 1: didn't want to wait until season five when she makes
Speaker 1: her first appearance on the show. We wanted to bring
Speaker 1: her in now. So please join me in welcoming Miss
Speaker 1: Trina McGhee. At some point, I'm going to comb my
Speaker 1: arab before you. At some point, Thank you, Trina. At
Speaker 1: some point. For four days, I haven't eaten for four days.
Speaker 1: I've had soup, powdered soup. You're talking to the perfect
Speaker 1: person about fast t Yes, you're talking the perfect person
Speaker 1: for I'm on a fast Are you hearing the voices yet? Yes?
Speaker 1: And seeing seeing the weird things flying around, like we'll
Speaker 1: just we'll be sitting there and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: we'll just go like something just fluid. It's just very strange.
Speaker 1: Are you serious? You're like hallucinating? I try it feels
Speaker 1: like that, like the third day, a little like you
Speaker 1: could you could bring your mind there. I have an
Speaker 1: alternative eat food, just too much of it. My cells
Speaker 1: need rejuvenating. Writer, we didn't all go to a hippie
Speaker 1: school where we learned everything about eat, drink and be merry. Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, it still looks like he's thirteen. It kills me.
Speaker 1: I know, wait, Traina, I actually this is a good
Speaker 1: chance now that we're talking about this writer, can we
Speaker 1: can we go back to what we learned yesterday, Trina.
Speaker 1: We learned yesterday that writer went to a high school where.
Speaker 1: You know, first of all, we knew this that his
Speaker 1: graduating class in high school was twelve twelve students at
Speaker 1: at his high school in his graduating class. But what
Speaker 1: we learned yesterday was that he walked a mile to
Speaker 1: school every day and whoever was the first person to
Speaker 1: arrive at the school had to start the fire to
Speaker 1: warm the shed that they learned in it like you
Speaker 1: do in high school. And there was it was a
Speaker 1: series of buildings, but the main building, which was you know,
Speaker 1: like an old house, like this whole feat up house
Speaker 1: that had been converted to just like rooms where students
Speaker 1: could gather, had a wood burning stove and if you
Speaker 1: got there before anybody else, you had to start the
Speaker 1: fire to warm the place up. Ye I was gonna say,
Speaker 1: because you do realize that when they described cult compounds.
Speaker 1: They always start with it's a series of buildings. Yes,
Speaker 1: it was, but look all schools are like that, right,
Speaker 1: Like Actually, this explains a lot between how maybe me
Speaker 1: and writer clicked so well because I went to a
Speaker 1: similar hippie type school where they used to take us
Speaker 1: up to um from this city to this farm for
Speaker 1: a week, three times out of the year, and you
Speaker 1: had to get up and do chores and stuff like
Speaker 1: that when it was only twenty people in our every class.
Speaker 1: This was from from fourth grade to eighth grade. I
Speaker 1: went to people in my class it was called Manhattan
Speaker 1: Country School. Wow, that's what my older brother did. Something similar.
Speaker 1: My family went to something called the Mountain School where
Speaker 1: for like half of semeter in high school they went
Speaker 1: to Vermont and like lived on a farm. But that's
Speaker 1: different the good that was an experience. They took you
Speaker 1: from a regular school to that experience. That wasn't It
Speaker 1: wasn't like all writers here first, he's got to turn
Speaker 1: about her. It wasn't. I mean when we left our
Speaker 1: school for because we would do trips. We we went backpacking.
Speaker 1: It was literally what you could carry on your back
Speaker 1: into the wilderness. Good luck. Yeah, And then there were
Speaker 1: some vital trips, maybe a trip for things went wrong.
Speaker 1: We had bear encounters, we had trips where like it
Speaker 1: rained on us for four days stree like nine and
Speaker 1: I was like eleven, Yeah, but it was the best experience,
Speaker 1: Like I mean I look back on I mean, like now,
Speaker 1: because you know, I just took Indie to Alaska and man,
Speaker 1: the kid just cries and complains it. I mean, we're
Speaker 1: trying to do like normal day height and he's just
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh my god, I'm want to send
Speaker 1: you away. Yes, I want to send you away to summer.
Speaker 1: Like I was not a big believer in summer camp
Speaker 1: because I never went to summer camp. I just like
Speaker 1: went camping with my family. And so but now I'm like,
Speaker 1: I want to send him to summer camp because he
Speaker 1: needs like another adult to tell him, like, fuck up, kid,
Speaker 1: because like Alex and I can only say it so
Speaker 1: many times before we're just like mean parents. You know,
Speaker 1: summer camp is great. Summer camp is the best. I
Speaker 1: had Summer camp every single year up to becoming a counselor, Like,
Speaker 1: summer camp is the best. Okay, So we've learned already
Speaker 1: that maybe part of the reason you and writer had
Speaker 1: such chemistry is because you guys both went to hippie
Speaker 1: high school. But that is jumping ahead because I can't
Speaker 1: wait to talk about your chemistry. But one of the
Speaker 1: things we love to ask everybody who comes on the
Speaker 1: show is tell us about your origin story before we
Speaker 1: all got to know you as Trina McGee and and
Speaker 1: as Angela Moore. Tell us a little bit about the
Speaker 1: early stages of your career. How did you get into acting? Uh? Well,
Speaker 1: I my road was very self driven. It was honestly
Speaker 1: something I just knew I was gonna do. I woke
Speaker 1: up one morning and I was like, I'm going to
Speaker 1: be an actress now. The time before that, I had
Speaker 1: already been two years at Howard University, and I was
Speaker 1: gonna be I was a political science major at Howard University,
Speaker 1: but I really wasn't. I went to a very funny
Speaker 1: time of going to Howard University because at the time, um,
Speaker 1: it was a very popular thing to go to a
Speaker 1: black college university. And I went there because I had
Speaker 1: predominantly had and upbringing with all white schools. So as
Speaker 1: the Angela character you see me as in an all
Speaker 1: white situation was how I grew up I went to
Speaker 1: a predominantly all the hippie elementary school than a very
Speaker 1: stark um high end, um predominantly Jewish um high school
Speaker 1: called Horace Man in New York in Riverdale. I was
Speaker 1: very competitive, you know, and I got there through you know,
Speaker 1: scholarships or whatever. And so then when I went to college,
Speaker 1: I wanted to go to an all black college. So
Speaker 1: who was in my freshman year in the hall back College?
Speaker 1: But P Diddy, um kid and play used to come
Speaker 1: down and play all the times. I'm my best friend.
Speaker 1: Used to date P Diddy. I'd always used to drive
Speaker 1: with him back and forth from from DC to New York.
Speaker 1: Um just you know, was Heathen of de Malverne and
Speaker 1: I lived in Yonkers, Um, so I got a cat
Speaker 1: caught up more in the entertainment that was coming to
Speaker 1: Howard rather than actually you know, going to school, and
Speaker 1: you know, and I realized, you know, I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: you know, and it already Actually it started before that
Speaker 1: in high school that I actually started cutting classes to
Speaker 1: go on auditions downtown. My first audition, um, when I
Speaker 1: was sixteen, was for Bill Cosby and I had actually
Speaker 1: they had a thing on the wall. It would open audition.
Speaker 1: I went to the open audition. I got called back twice.
Speaker 1: And this happened like three times. Now. I started cutting
Speaker 1: school in high school to go downtown and do creative
Speaker 1: stuff and and and I got in trouble, and my
Speaker 1: chemistry teacher I got in trouble, especially in chemistry and math.
Speaker 1: I just wasn't interested. And they told me, if you
Speaker 1: cut school one more time, you're you're gonna be, you know,
Speaker 1: in big trouble. You may not be able to come
Speaker 1: back to hars Man, this really big thing that I
Speaker 1: was going to. So they had an open call for
Speaker 1: the The Cosby Show. So I begged my chemistry teacher.
Speaker 1: I said, please, can you please just let me leave
Speaker 1: to go on this audition and I can I not
Speaker 1: get in trouble, do not report me to the to whoever.
Speaker 1: And he just says, okay, today, not Bill. You will
Speaker 1: never be a teennist. You're never gonna be at Kenny
Speaker 1: and inaccurate. Yeah. So I go to these auditions and
Speaker 1: three times for Bill Bill Cosby, I got to um
Speaker 1: actually get taken to Brooklyn on the last time, and
Speaker 1: and and and and we had I didn't get the part,
Speaker 1: so they had sent you home on this van right
Speaker 1: that when you didn't get the part for Bill Cosby
Speaker 1: and Brooklyn. It goes from Brooklyn to back to Manhattan.
Speaker 1: You don't want to be on the van. So I'm
Speaker 1: on the van with this other girl, didn't. I think
Speaker 1: in retrospect, you want to be on you want to
Speaker 1: be exactly. I remember Felicia Rashan coming coming out and saying, girl,
Speaker 1: do you know how many parts I didn't get? Because
Speaker 1: I was crying, I was balling, and I didn't get
Speaker 1: this part. But then yeah, So then I went to
Speaker 1: college and I uh was always so many stars with
Speaker 1: my freshman class. Big didn't he polloge I Park I
Speaker 1: don't know if you knew who she was, but she
Speaker 1: was a big actress on Fridays. And Wendy Wendy uh
Speaker 1: Mickel Robinson who was on the Game now to Rogie
Speaker 1: Henson was in the class right below us. And Debbie Allen,
Speaker 1: who is a very big and um the arts community.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you know, guys, be taught she
Speaker 1: taught um drama there. But I'm not going to school
Speaker 1: for dram. I'm going to school for political science. So
Speaker 1: you know, long story short, I left after two years
Speaker 1: and I just said, let me just come home. I
Speaker 1: moved back with my grandmother and I just started auditioning.
Speaker 1: But I thought I was gonna be a model then.
Speaker 1: So I and I auditioned for this agency called Flick
Speaker 1: Flick No Click. It was back then for Molly and
Speaker 1: they said, no, well, you know, little you're a little short.
Speaker 1: Maybe you might want to try acting. And they said, okay,
Speaker 1: we'll send you out on a couple of auditions. See
Speaker 1: what you get. We're not gonna sign you. And they
Speaker 1: sent me on on. My first audition was for this
Speaker 1: play called Chelsea Walls and it had Ed Sharon, Vincent
Speaker 1: Dinofrio was in it. Um, Marissa tone A, Gina Gershawn. Okay,
Speaker 1: nobody was anybody then, And I end up doing this
Speaker 1: way at this small part and Ed Sharon, who directed it,
Speaker 1: went on to direct Law and Order, um, all the
Speaker 1: law and order stuff. So nobody was anybody. Jane Alexander
Speaker 1: was like the matron of the whole thing. So um,
Speaker 1: So then that happens, and then my second after right
Speaker 1: after that, my next auditions for a show Quincy Jones
Speaker 1: is doing. I mean literally, it's my first three auditions
Speaker 1: I'm kind of just discovered, you know. And then Quincy
Speaker 1: Jones had this audition open call, eight hundred girls across
Speaker 1: the country. Then I make it down to like the
Speaker 1: last eleven girls, and that's what brought me out to
Speaker 1: l A from New York, that Quincy Jones, but not
Speaker 1: to necessarily have the part to compete against four spots
Speaker 1: and eleven girls. So these eleven girls are me, Regina King,
Speaker 1: Lauren Hill, uh, this girl named Lisa to Cole Carson,
Speaker 1: he was working all the time. Then wow, and then
Speaker 1: finally I actually get this part, this Quincy Jones part,
Speaker 1: and it's me. It's me and this girl Rose and Lisa,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna be this this big thing like the Monkeys,
Speaker 1: but it's gonna be a TV show, and long story short,
Speaker 1: the whole thing just falls apart, you know. But I
Speaker 1: left out here in l A with an agent and
Speaker 1: I start beating the Really, now heone's taken me serious? Wait,
Speaker 1: hold on, I have a question about this Quincy Jones show.
Speaker 1: So it was like a music show. The four of
Speaker 1: you were going to be a musical act TV show. Yes,
Speaker 1: and you beat Lauren Hill. Yeah, yeah, musical show. I
Speaker 1: remember that story because I remember because like the fujis
Speaker 1: became huge, like while we were doing Boy and like
Speaker 1: you know, I beat her for a job. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: what a story. No funny enough before that, a year
Speaker 1: before that, I had my first jobs were off Broadway
Speaker 1: plays and I used to do hip hop musicals and yeah,
Speaker 1: and I'd started about three of them off Broadway. And
Speaker 1: Lauren Hill was the sixteen year olds was the fifteen
Speaker 1: was the backup dancer for my show. Hearing you talk
Speaker 1: about New York though, it brings you right back to
Speaker 1: and if you didn't know that scene, the like the
Speaker 1: New York audition scene where they would put you in
Speaker 1: a van, well you you'd go and you'd everybody would
Speaker 1: audition for Law and Order once a week, like it
Speaker 1: was it's what you had. It would just say like
Speaker 1: mix and match sessions too. It was always like show up,
Speaker 1: this stay, show up and they yeah, because it really
Speaker 1: New York was out of the theater tradition, which is
Speaker 1: so crazy, and it's so like people show up and
Speaker 1: at the end of the day there's ten left, and
Speaker 1: then the next day there's thirty people and it's like
Speaker 1: all this like you always have the job and then
Speaker 1: you don't have the job. It's like it was crazy
Speaker 1: up staircases, Like you walk up staircases at twelve or
Speaker 1: thirteen years old, these tiny little staircases, and you turn
Speaker 1: a corner into this tiny little hallway and there'll be
Speaker 1: forty two kids your age for some Cheerios commercial. Black steps,
Speaker 1: white walls, Yes, yes, the hot as hell and yes.
Speaker 1: Or you're in one of those terrible elevators. You've got
Speaker 1: to move your little gate to the side, and it
Speaker 1: barely like it's clicking up the steps to go up
Speaker 1: and see Leonardo DiCaprio, who's auditioning for an A T
Speaker 1: and T commercial. It's like that kind of thing. It
Speaker 1: was such a such a scene. I also didn't know.
Speaker 1: I'm amazed because I love television. I'm a television addict.
Speaker 1: I didn't know they shot Cosby in New York. They
Speaker 1: thought that was out here Brooklyn, in Brooklyn, in the
Speaker 1: same studios as my favorite soap opera at the time,
Speaker 1: Another World. I thought that was an l a series. Okay,
Speaker 1: that was more interesting. Okay, so you by the time
Speaker 1: you end up getting too Boy Meets World, you had
Speaker 1: already been on Sinbad, a different world. Martin picket fences,
Speaker 1: family matters and parenthood, and right, I had it done Daylight,
Speaker 1: and I had all the jobs I was gonna do. Okay,
Speaker 1: boy was your retirement plan? Believe you? When you got
Speaker 1: the audition for boy Meats World? Had you ever heard
Speaker 1: of boy Meets World? Had you ever seen Boy Meats World?
Speaker 1: What did you know about the show if anything? And
Speaker 1: what did they tell you about the character you were
Speaker 1: auditioning for? Good question? Okay, Okay, I didn't blow Boy
Speaker 1: Meets World crept up on me. Like I was just
Speaker 1: watching the season one thing, you know, watch long thing,
Speaker 1: and at that time, you guys were in season one.
Speaker 1: That was off the radar for me. I had just
Speaker 1: I just maybe done a different world than that. That
Speaker 1: that year, I was had debate on my first child.
Speaker 1: I was, you know, newly married, and so Boyme's World
Speaker 1: was very much off the radar until after I had
Speaker 1: done a movie called Daylight. Okay, And it was eighteen
Speaker 1: months between Daylight and my next job, and I had
Speaker 1: left my children in St. Louis with their grandparents and
Speaker 1: was coming periodically out here because I just wanted them
Speaker 1: to be and you know, we had had some family situations.
Speaker 1: I wanted them to be, you know, with more family
Speaker 1: instead of this l a life. So and I was
Speaker 1: coming back to audition, but I had been doing this
Speaker 1: back and forth for eighteen months, not having much luck.
Speaker 1: I was kind of getting discouraged. I had just done
Speaker 1: a big movie, so I'm thinking everyone's just supposed to
Speaker 1: receive me in Hollywood, you know, which may or may
Speaker 1: not happen, you know. So, um, I'm at this Hope,
Speaker 1: this like kind of not so great hotel on Wilshure right,
Speaker 1: and I'm I just had this big audition with Lauren Batty,
Speaker 1: okay for both for the halle Berry you know. So,
Speaker 1: and I was just depressed. I kind of knew I
Speaker 1: didn't get this and everything. So I turned on my TV.
Speaker 1: It's Friday, and I was so disciplined back then. I
Speaker 1: didn't go out and do nothing. I was just focused.
Speaker 1: So it's Friday night, I'm in the sad hotel away
Speaker 1: from my kids, and I turned the TV and it
Speaker 1: comes in in fun Is is Boime Twirl? And I
Speaker 1: kind of got this weird feeling about this show. I
Speaker 1: actually started watching it, and this was maybe six months
Speaker 1: before I actually got the audition. When I actually started
Speaker 1: watching it every Friday because really there was no other
Speaker 1: channel that the TV could get to because it was
Speaker 1: such a bad fault. I only get Boimesworld. I know
Speaker 1: this is no why so um after a while it
Speaker 1: was prepping for the audience exactly. You know, the one
Speaker 1: door is closed and you keeping on it and then
Speaker 1: another door opens. It was that crappy hotel door. Yes,
Speaker 1: and see, I know sitcom. I've always said all I
Speaker 1: did was sitco every black sitcom for that I'd done,
Speaker 1: and others to coom I just done. So so I
Speaker 1: liked sitcom like the Beach, So that was and that
Speaker 1: was the only show I could watch. The watch it
Speaker 1: and then um, about six months later, I get this
Speaker 1: call for Boy Meets Worlds. I thought that was kind
Speaker 1: of surreal, and then they told me they didn't really
Speaker 1: describe the part. They just said I love interest for Sean.
Speaker 1: Um they had. But the thing is, I knew you
Speaker 1: had to be funny, you know, But when they gave
Speaker 1: me the first first side, there was nothing funny about
Speaker 1: drama for a joke, you know? It was it was
Speaker 1: the scene. It was the scene that what I read
Speaker 1: with with Trina when they brought brought me into for
Speaker 1: us to do a chemistry read. It was a scene
Speaker 1: that we had already done on the show. It was
Speaker 1: a scene with um Larissa Otlantic when she had been
Speaker 1: my girlfriend for like two episodes. I threw a picnic
Speaker 1: for her out in the snow, and you know, it
Speaker 1: was a dramatic scene. It was like Sean making this
Speaker 1: big romantic gesture and the conversation between the two of them.
Speaker 1: And so we had done it the year before or
Speaker 1: two years before or whatever, and they were using that
Speaker 1: scene to audition Angela's because they picked the one dramatic
Speaker 1: Shawn scene. I knew it was some back and like romantic.
Speaker 1: Why there was as I remember it was, of course
Speaker 1: there's That's how it was like. And then you had
Speaker 1: to come back like that part. That part. Okay, So
Speaker 1: I come in the first time. Now I come in
Speaker 1: for Barbie Block. Now this is this is a funny story,
Speaker 1: coming to read for Bobby Block first time? Okay. Um,
Speaker 1: they go back to my agent and say that we
Speaker 1: have no interest in her. She's not funny. So I'm like,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, there's nothing on the page that was funny,
Speaker 1: But what are they talking about? So I actually go
Speaker 1: to my manager's office the next day and I said,
Speaker 1: because I'm when I'm auditioning in l A. At this point,
Speaker 1: it's it's like ten girls in every audition, so I
Speaker 1: know who my competition is. So I go back to
Speaker 1: my age of the next day and I'm like, there's
Speaker 1: only ten girls in this talent auditioning around all right.
Speaker 1: I know this is my part. This is how I
Speaker 1: grew up. I know how it is to be an
Speaker 1: all white situation, you know, and this is it, this
Speaker 1: is me. I can't really call them back and get
Speaker 1: me in again. So my manager kind of loosing, like oh, traina,
Speaker 1: I mean, so I'm walking. All of a sudden, my
Speaker 1: manager gets a phone call and she's puts me on
Speaker 1: hold off. So I go ahead and I start talking
Speaker 1: to the receptionist. Okay, who is this like feisty little
Speaker 1: college kid, and she's so I can't couldn't stand her boss,
Speaker 1: who was the one who just told me to wait
Speaker 1: outside because she had to take a call. I can't
Speaker 1: stand them. They never let me do anything. It's this
Speaker 1: asistant talking. And I said, you know, yeah, they know
Speaker 1: one was to take chances, and I said, I should
Speaker 1: be back in that room. Okay, I'm telling you, I
Speaker 1: think so too. So she, because she wants to make
Speaker 1: some feisty move, calls back Barbie Block and pushes me
Speaker 1: back into that us without my manager knowing. Okay. It
Speaker 1: was like the conspiracy of two spunky little chicks. Okay.
Speaker 1: So actually, for some reason, Barbie Black said you okay,
Speaker 1: we'll see you here again, you know. And so I
Speaker 1: go back and I didn't know what more to do
Speaker 1: because it was the same thing. But for some reason,
Speaker 1: when I got that got back Michael. Maybe it's seen
Speaker 1: a tape, I think. So then I get a call
Speaker 1: and that to come back again, you know. So I
Speaker 1: come back again and there's and I come back and
Speaker 1: there's like eight to ten girls. For some reason, to
Speaker 1: see I always remember the seating of this situation because
Speaker 1: it would be I always like to separate myself from
Speaker 1: people in auditions, you know. So there's eight two girls
Speaker 1: sitting on a bench in front of me, and I'm
Speaker 1: on the other bunch. I'm just looking at these eight
Speaker 1: to ten girls. Everybody goes in. I going last. Then
Speaker 1: I get a call coming the next day, same thing,
Speaker 1: fresh new eight to ten girls, and it's me standing
Speaker 1: across from them. They go, and I going. Then it's
Speaker 1: the last three days of this eight to ten girls,
Speaker 1: New girls, and and and then that day Michael came
Speaker 1: out into the waiting area and he looks at everybody,
Speaker 1: and and then I'm in the bathroom and he goes,
Speaker 1: come here, I want to talk to you, and and
Speaker 1: and we go in the bathroom together, like and all
Speaker 1: the girls could see him. Wanted to give me these
Speaker 1: notes or whatever it was. I want you to be different,
Speaker 1: like nobody else has ever been on this. You gotta
Speaker 1: be different, okay. And then I had some lipstick on
Speaker 1: and I started putting something. He goes, no, notes, so
Speaker 1: take that lipstick off. That's not it. You just come
Speaker 1: in different. So that was the direction. Different, look different,
Speaker 1: do something different to yourself. So I start to put
Speaker 1: these lipstick on it. No, no, it's not it. Take
Speaker 1: the lipstick off. That's forbade him. So and he walks out.
Speaker 1: He goes into him and I guess you were in
Speaker 1: the room writer and everything, and I'm taking I'm like
Speaker 1: so nervous. And then this time I go in before
Speaker 1: all the girls go in, and I go in and
Speaker 1: I read with you and these these is the time,
Speaker 1: these walls that these auditions were thin thin. I don't
Speaker 1: know what in l A and you can hear everything.
Speaker 1: So I go in and I do the audition. I
Speaker 1: don't know if I'm good or not. I didn't know.
Speaker 1: I'm just doing me. And I come out and two
Speaker 1: of the girls who were on the bench looked at
Speaker 1: me and they said, the girl, we knows you, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: and then you know that that's how I And then
Speaker 1: a couple of days later, I got a call that
Speaker 1: I was going to be on the show. But see,
Speaker 1: in my mind, I was always a series regular. I
Speaker 1: was very arrogant back then, I have to say, I
Speaker 1: was very actressy and you know, so I just assumed
Speaker 1: that I was assumed a series of regular. It wasn't
Speaker 1: n till like three months later being on the show
Speaker 1: and Michael said, hey, Trainer, we really like your work
Speaker 1: and we're gonna keep you. And I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: well yeah, I already know that that was the point. Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: I love that. So that was you know, that's well,
Speaker 1: that's my question. That's what I wonder. I was was
Speaker 1: the Angela character? Was she supposed to be just reoccurring?
Speaker 1: Originally or was she always planning on they were testing
Speaker 1: it out. I think they wanted a regular arter, but
Speaker 1: they weren't sure, so they wanted which is you know,
Speaker 1: smart on their part, right. I mean it's not great
Speaker 1: for for you, Trina, because you're not getting paid as
Speaker 1: well or have any sort of future out. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: they eat it out. Also, it's good creatively because you
Speaker 1: can sort of feel out, you know, whether this character
Speaker 1: is gonna work or not. But here's my question, Trina,
Speaker 1: So we're all the other actress is black? Was that
Speaker 1: like every single one, every shade from like light skins
Speaker 1: and Caramel going down? Gabrielle Union was there? Essence Atkins
Speaker 1: was one of the people. I don't remember too many
Speaker 1: other of the girls, but I remember Gabrielle Union was
Speaker 1: on like the second day bench. You know, so you're
Speaker 1: the only person I ever read with. And at that point,
Speaker 1: I mean they had already I had had a meeting
Speaker 1: with the producers. Wait, so when those girls were going in,
Speaker 1: they weren't reading with you know, I think I think
Speaker 1: you might be combining time. No either, either they brought
Speaker 1: me in and just to read with you and brought
Speaker 1: me back out, or you're conflating two different meetings. By
Speaker 1: the time I met you, it was sort of like,
Speaker 1: this is what who we think is the girl? What
Speaker 1: do you think? And I remember realizing it was the
Speaker 1: scene that I had done with Larissa and thinking, well,
Speaker 1: no one could do this better than Larissa, like this
Speaker 1: is gonna suck, and then reading with you and after
Speaker 1: you left being like, oh, yeah, that was incredible. This
Speaker 1: is so and just being like absolutely, there's no doubt
Speaker 1: in my mind that this will work like it was
Speaker 1: so it was so obvious, like I don't know, I
Speaker 1: felt it in the room, and I'm pretty sure you
Speaker 1: did too. It was like, oh, this is this is
Speaker 1: so easy. Trina, what was your first impression of Writer?
Speaker 1: I thought a writer was really cute, and I liked
Speaker 1: reading with him because I felt like our timing was
Speaker 1: very mutually nice. It was just a nice chemistry. I
Speaker 1: really liked acting with Writer, especially when I had to
Speaker 1: do softer scenes, you know. But I thought it was cute,
Speaker 1: you know, but I just thought it was a kid
Speaker 1: really kind of telling you about so was age? Well,
Speaker 1: hold on, hold on, Trina, Trina looks younger than any
Speaker 1: of us, than all of us, but Trina is actually, well,
Speaker 1: she's twelve years old. You're twelve years older than me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so that makes you tend to eleven years older
Speaker 1: than Writer. And so Writer was seventeen at the time,
Speaker 1: right right, this was you came in and you were
Speaker 1: twenty eight years ago. We did not find out for Trina,
Speaker 1: did you share your age with anybody or was it?
Speaker 1: If not, was it a conscious choice to not let
Speaker 1: anyone know your age. I never think about my age
Speaker 1: like that. I just feel like it is what it is.
Speaker 1: I wasn't a conscious choice. Michael actually let her later
Speaker 1: said he thought I was older than it was. Really,
Speaker 1: but no, I think that was about eleven years older
Speaker 1: than than Writer. And you know I didn't. I was
Speaker 1: so I gotta say this is please forgive me people change.
Speaker 1: I was so into myself, and I was so into
Speaker 1: myself that, like, you know, I thought about okay things,
Speaker 1: but I only thought about it in for chains of
Speaker 1: you know, honestly, how I can get ahead? You know,
Speaker 1: I can. I can jog your I can jog your
Speaker 1: memory because I remember very specifically what happened and why
Speaker 1: you didn't tell us your age, because you did not
Speaker 1: choose to know. I do so I had done an
Speaker 1: episode where I was making out with a guest star
Speaker 1: m and she showed up at the tape night with
Speaker 1: a baby, and we found out because we had assumed
Speaker 1: all week that she was my age or whatever, and
Speaker 1: she turned out to be twenty eight or something baby,
Speaker 1: and we freaked out at the time, you know, because
Speaker 1: I was seventeen and I was like, oh my god.
Speaker 1: And so we told that story in front of you
Speaker 1: when you were just a guest star or whatever, your
Speaker 1: first and I remember then you kept your mouth. She
Speaker 1: was never going to say a word. It was weeks
Speaker 1: later and it was you, me and Will and we're rehearsing,
Speaker 1: and I don't remember somebody said something about like a
Speaker 1: year or whatever, and you nodded like knowingly, and Will
Speaker 1: looked at you and called you out in front of me. Will,
Speaker 1: you were like, how old are you training? How old
Speaker 1: are you really? Just like I don't know, I don't
Speaker 1: want to say. And then and she was like, He's like,
Speaker 1: you're over twenty, aren't you. And she's like, yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: twenty eight. He's like, how many kids you got? How
Speaker 1: many kids you got? And You're like too, at the time,
Speaker 1: you have two kids. And we were like, oh my god.
Speaker 1: I was like, no, no, it's okay, and you're like,
Speaker 1: it's not okay. I heard you talking about that other
Speaker 1: actors and it freaked you out, and so that's why
Speaker 1: you kept your mouth shut from me. And then I
Speaker 1: was like, no, no, no, it's okay. It's totally fine,
Speaker 1: even though I had no filter. I had no I
Speaker 1: had no filter. Back in the hold, Tina, I wanted
Speaker 1: it back to what you said where Trina, where you said,
Speaker 1: oh please forgive me people change. I was so into myself, like,
Speaker 1: first of all, we were all narcissists. It wasn't I mean, yes,
Speaker 1: for sure, but also not just narcissist. Also, just like teenage,
Speaker 1: the world revolves around me. Like I literally remember thinking
Speaker 1: like all day every day, being like when do I
Speaker 1: get to drive down Laurel Canyon for the first time?
Speaker 1: You know, I was sixteen, I had just gotten my
Speaker 1: driver's license, Like I was so excited to drive down
Speaker 1: Laurel Canyon, and and whether or not I was gonna
Speaker 1: go which dance I was going to. I that was
Speaker 1: all I was thinking about. I wasn't thinking about anything else.
Speaker 1: And for you, Trina, as I have gotten older, and
Speaker 1: we have had so many conversations and all of this, this,
Speaker 1: these conversations that we've had have been like therapy for us,
Speaker 1: talking about our our histories and our past together. When
Speaker 1: I think about that, for you, at twenty eight years old,
Speaker 1: married with two children and pregnant at the time with
Speaker 1: your third shewing my brain and insane, you, of course,
Speaker 1: this was a career for you. This was it, sus
Speaker 1: and had a very important job. It was a regular job.
Speaker 1: It was every week coming back and like you said,
Speaker 1: in your mind, you set your sights on I'm a regular.
Speaker 1: They may not have told me yet, but I know
Speaker 1: it's going to be true. I am manifesting that, and
Speaker 1: you did. It came to fruition and then it lasted
Speaker 1: for three years. So for you, this was I mean,
Speaker 1: it was so much more than than it was for
Speaker 1: me rolling into work crazy right, crazy, so annoying crazy.
Speaker 1: I remember the first episode, very first episode I had,
Speaker 1: and I just had one little line. It was just
Speaker 1: kind of introducing me, and I said it was called
Speaker 1: reality World and boil meat reality or something. When I'm
Speaker 1: setting a couple of desk and I had one line
Speaker 1: like a duck cory or something, but you guys were
Speaker 1: so you guys were the typical teenagers, I mean, and
Speaker 1: I think at that point that year that was kind
Speaker 1: of the beginning of everybody as you guys teenagers, and
Speaker 1: I saw going through this kind of I've got to
Speaker 1: be me stage and everything, and you guys were really
Speaker 1: close knit, and I think you were really my perception
Speaker 1: was that you were really confused about me because I'm older,
Speaker 1: but I'm not older, and I can't really fit in
Speaker 1: your group. So my I guess my first perceptive of
Speaker 1: you on that I kind of thought you guys were
Speaker 1: snarsally makes I honestly thought you were really really privileged
Speaker 1: kids that didn't know you were you know, that didn't
Speaker 1: know and I, you know, I'm twenty eight. That's not
Speaker 1: old like I'm supposed to know everything. I think the
Speaker 1: phase I was going through is twenty eight was more like,
Speaker 1: I think I know everything. I've really got it together.
Speaker 1: I've got these kids in my career in Dada and
Speaker 1: these kids, you know. It was more out of my attitude,
Speaker 1: So anything you did to feed that would would um
Speaker 1: kind of fuel that for me. But honestly, in the
Speaker 1: back of my mind, I sometimes I would think it
Speaker 1: wouldn't be really cool to just be their age and
Speaker 1: be able to go Like I remember one time you
Speaker 1: guys were going somewhere after work and all together, and
Speaker 1: I was like, I can't go with them because I
Speaker 1: have to like go, which is great, but you know,
Speaker 1: but it was weird because it was like I really
Speaker 1: did relate to you because you guys were very adult
Speaker 1: like um kids, and I really did relate to on
Speaker 1: a lot of levels. But then there was always a
Speaker 1: line that was cross, like, oh, we're gonna go, can't
Speaker 1: do something crazy with our friends. Writer had this new
Speaker 1: car and he was dating downtown and everybody, and I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go change diapers and yeah, and you. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's that's the thing that was. But that's the thing
Speaker 1: that was so strange is that you and I were
Speaker 1: closer in age. We still weren't super cool. I mean,
Speaker 1: we're closer in age, but we never worked together. We
Speaker 1: didn't like we never were I think we were episodes.
Speaker 1: I mean you had been there forever before you and
Speaker 1: I were ever on screen together. So we always talk
Speaker 1: about the two boy meets worlds where it's like I
Speaker 1: didn't get a chance to get to know you on
Speaker 1: a personal level kind of at all. And when I
Speaker 1: go back, there's people like, now that we've started this podcast,
Speaker 1: people will send us stuff like they're sending us old
Speaker 1: T G. I F clips and stuff like that. And
Speaker 1: there are certain clips they're sending where I just think
Speaker 1: I am so cool, Like you can tell these things
Speaker 1: where it's like I am the coolest guy in the world.
Speaker 1: I don't want to listen to And I look back
Speaker 1: at it now and you're just like, oh my god.
Speaker 1: The arrogance of youth. It is just so horrifying. So
Speaker 1: that couple with not knowing you at all. I mean,
Speaker 1: we didn't become friends until you were there. For like,
Speaker 1: we didn't dislike each other, we just didn't know each other.
Speaker 1: So it was so weird to have the two boy
Speaker 1: to worlds where we just were yeah, yeah, Well, I
Speaker 1: think honestly, to a certain degree, I'm going to say this,
Speaker 1: I think we all could have, but this doesn't really
Speaker 1: work in this kind of work environment or what they do.
Speaker 1: I think they were powers in play that be that
Speaker 1: kind of made us all words are said dropped here
Speaker 1: and there to make us all competitive with each other
Speaker 1: so that we will give stronger performances. You know, certain
Speaker 1: powers played us against one another and had been for years. Frankly,
Speaker 1: so I think at times my relationship, which you did,
Speaker 1: suffer because of that, and because I was really really
Speaker 1: competitive at the time. I just I just wanted everything
Speaker 1: all at once, and I went for it. You know.
Speaker 1: But you'd also been we were we were the kind
Speaker 1: of kids a lot of us had started working at
Speaker 1: a very young age. We were lucky to be on
Speaker 1: this show. You had been like the New York actress,
Speaker 1: fighting and scrapping, and now you're out here away from
Speaker 1: your kids for a while, fighting and scrapping to get
Speaker 1: a job. So again, Daniel's right. We came at this
Speaker 1: from I think your word is exactly right. Privilege just
Speaker 1: a place of privilege, and then you throw on fame
Speaker 1: and money when you're in your teenage years, and it
Speaker 1: just takes it to a whole another levels. I think
Speaker 1: it's probably a pretty accurate term for us. When I
Speaker 1: thought you were taking it for granted, and I thought
Speaker 1: that there were times like when you guys were really
Speaker 1: needed space to play and stuff. I just came from
Speaker 1: like it's such a serious place, like we've got to
Speaker 1: get this job done in the work and I've I've
Speaker 1: waited so long to get here, and you know, so
Speaker 1: I just wasn't a total different headspace. And but what
Speaker 1: I think what's more important for me over the years
Speaker 1: is to be to realize that life is not fair
Speaker 1: and not everybody had to do a scrape up from
Speaker 1: the bottom to get up. Everybody's journey is different and
Speaker 1: I and I have to respect. As much as I
Speaker 1: want you to respect my journey, I have to respect
Speaker 1: your journey, especially now that we're older, and you know,
Speaker 1: it just is what it is. It doesn't It doesn't
Speaker 1: help me to to look at you guys and be like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: she just had a podet commercial and made it. You
Speaker 1: know what. Our relationship, I actually enjoyed being friends with
Speaker 1: Danielle way more than that little stigma that people tend
Speaker 1: to hang on, you know. And also, let's just get real,
Speaker 1: I'm a black actress. I mean, there's not There was
Speaker 1: a great sweet time in the nineties when they were
Speaker 1: using us to build up the up N and they
Speaker 1: were using us to build up Fox Network, and it
Speaker 1: ended and I caught a sweet spot in that time,
Speaker 1: and um, it was amazing to be able to to
Speaker 1: to hop on your show. It's it's just they're just
Speaker 1: are weren't a lot of opportunities. They were very farmed
Speaker 1: into a narrow path. We mentioned a bunch of the
Speaker 1: shows that you had done before Boy Meets World, and
Speaker 1: almost all of them, maybe all of them were entirely
Speaker 1: black casts. Yeah, and then you come onto Boy Meets World,
Speaker 1: which we have acknowledged her multiple times is the whitest
Speaker 1: white cast and almost an exclusively white crew. There was
Speaker 1: one lighting guy. Okay, well, and there's one lighting guy.
Speaker 1: Because what was that like for you? I mean, you were,
Speaker 1: like you said, it was very You were very comfortable
Speaker 1: in that way because that was very much how you
Speaker 1: grew up. But but still, what was that experience like
Speaker 1: for you? It all right, it was comfortable for me
Speaker 1: because of course my upbringing. But it also took a
Speaker 1: lot of biting my tongue too, especially okay, when we
Speaker 1: weren't filming, Okay, and everyone or when we were filming
Speaker 1: and everyone would be back around that table at craft Services.
Speaker 1: You know, that's where the real party was. So that's
Speaker 1: when I when I wasn't filming and I'm kneeling around,
Speaker 1: there's is especially on tape of nights. That's what I
Speaker 1: would hear certain things or conversations people would say, and
Speaker 1: I'd be and I'd have to go home and I would,
Speaker 1: you know, really tell my husband at the time, I
Speaker 1: can't believe they just said that. Like one mom, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna say too. It was at the time they
Speaker 1: had another little TV that would have the news and
Speaker 1: then they'd have the show. So one mom it was
Speaker 1: voting time in California and they had some prop for
Speaker 1: the Indians to get something. So one mom of one
Speaker 1: of the best ever said, um, we don't know all
Speaker 1: these Indians. I damn playing, you know. So it was
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff like that. Would sometimes not a
Speaker 1: lot what would happen, and I'd be like, think, though
Speaker 1: I really had nobody to back me to say anything,
Speaker 1: you know, or because she was kind of saying, it's everybody.
Speaker 1: Anybody could have come in and said anything, you know.
Speaker 1: So sometimes things or some sons I would just just
Speaker 1: and I would just understand that some of our experiences
Speaker 1: were not the same and our belief systems were not
Speaker 1: the same. So it only really came into play when
Speaker 1: people would speak their political issues on the set because
Speaker 1: The reality is is you don't have to know anything
Speaker 1: about me. You don't have to know anything about my
Speaker 1: culture to get ahead in America. UM. I was taught
Speaker 1: at a young age by my grandmother who was in
Speaker 1: the working force and in the in the army, and
Speaker 1: she was a just a great woman, and she always
Speaker 1: worked in the white world. And we have to know
Speaker 1: about you, we have to know how to get along
Speaker 1: with you. UM. I have family members, you know, from Philly,
Speaker 1: who if I brought them into a room with a
Speaker 1: bunch of white people, they were just walked right out
Speaker 1: the door because they wouldn't know really how to relate
Speaker 1: to I. Really, I do want to thank my grandmother
Speaker 1: for giving me that education, making me go to those
Speaker 1: schools to be able to, um, get ahead, and that
Speaker 1: then that part of society which is important to any
Speaker 1: black and marriage to be able to achieve we have
Speaker 1: to be able to compete, um with the masses. So um,
Speaker 1: the feeling I always was watching, I always was taking
Speaker 1: on my grandma, which she would say in the workplace,
Speaker 1: So that meant biting my tongue a lot. It wasn't
Speaker 1: that wasn't for me to get into every conversation I
Speaker 1: want to say though, because Trina, you're you're talking right
Speaker 1: now for sure about times where you bit your tongue,
Speaker 1: and I know that that had to happen, but I
Speaker 1: also there was very specifically a time that you didn't
Speaker 1: bite your tongue and it was with a conversation that
Speaker 1: you had with Will. And I want you guys to
Speaker 1: talk about it because I bring it up only because
Speaker 1: it is such an important moment in Will's life, specifically
Speaker 1: that he has given you credit for over and over
Speaker 1: again as being somebody who has changed his life. And
Speaker 1: so why don't you guys talk just very briefly. We
Speaker 1: have been in the news for this. It's been we
Speaker 1: have talked about it ad nauseum, so we do not
Speaker 1: want to spend a lot of time on it, but
Speaker 1: I do want you guys to touch on it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we can touch on it, but it's Trina and I
Speaker 1: have have been through this now a number of times.
Speaker 1: So can you please tell the story so that we
Speaker 1: can Here's how Here's how I remember, Here's how I
Speaker 1: remember the story, and and and trying to correct me
Speaker 1: if I'm wrong, writer was there as well, but here's
Speaker 1: how I remember the story. So we used to always
Speaker 1: make fun of each other on the set. That was
Speaker 1: like our thing. I saw you come out of the
Speaker 1: dressing room in a big red head scarf. In my head,
Speaker 1: I attached no cultural significance to that whatsoever. I saw
Speaker 1: a person who I thought was my friend but didn't
Speaker 1: know all that well wearing a big red hat. It
Speaker 1: was comfortable and you know enough, but you and I
Speaker 1: still hadn't worked together a ton. But I was like,
Speaker 1: you're part of the cast, so that means gonna make
Speaker 1: fun of you the same way and make fun So
Speaker 1: I thought, gonna make fun of her red hat. That's
Speaker 1: as far as my dumbass, privileged mind saw it. And
Speaker 1: so right before I walked on for my part, I
Speaker 1: walked by and went love your syrup, and walked onto
Speaker 1: the set, thinking boom Zing just got her for her hat.
Speaker 1: I heard Rider laughing like it was like, hey, that's
Speaker 1: what it was then exactly. But then so we finished this,
Speaker 1: We finished the scene, and you came up to me
Speaker 1: and you're like, that was not that was not okay,
Speaker 1: And I was like what, I had no idea what
Speaker 1: you were talking about. It's like what And you went that,
Speaker 1: referring to me as Anthrew. Mima was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I assumed that was like I remember saying this to you.
Speaker 1: I was like, I assumed that was like you calling
Speaker 1: me the jolly green giant and you're like, no, no,
Speaker 1: that's not the same thing at all. And you explained
Speaker 1: to me, of course I had no idea. Especially I'm
Speaker 1: not trying to you never use the time as an excuse,
Speaker 1: but the mid nineties, I had no idea the cultural
Speaker 1: significance of the Anthrew being so surrounded by mostly, if
Speaker 1: not all, white people. All I've never heard that. I
Speaker 1: had no idea. So I was and I've used this
Speaker 1: word about other things, but mortified because the last thing
Speaker 1: you want to think is you're part of the problem,
Speaker 1: Like your ignorance is part of the problem. I had
Speaker 1: no idea. I was like in my head, I was going,
Speaker 1: I mean, I made fun of her because of her hat.
Speaker 1: That's all I was trying to do. Like what what
Speaker 1: just happened? And I remember you very patiently explaining to
Speaker 1: me why I was an idiot, and we hugged and
Speaker 1: walked away. But I was shaken. I felt really small, likeluse,
Speaker 1: could you not think about it? You're on the white
Speaker 1: set with all the white people and oh, of course yeah,
Speaker 1: and I was playing I was the nineteen or whatever.
Speaker 1: I'm playing the joke like and and so you walked away,
Speaker 1: and I remember like literally shaking, and then Rider and
Speaker 1: I started talking, and it's a conversation that he and
Speaker 1: I have had a hundred and fifty times since because
Speaker 1: it literally changed my life. Where that moment was the
Speaker 1: moment where I was like, you can't just say stuff.
Speaker 1: You can't just throw things out there because you think
Speaker 1: it's funny. But ah and walk away. You're you're hurting.
Speaker 1: You could be hurting people. You could legitimately be hurting
Speaker 1: people because you think it's funny. So what I actually
Speaker 1: did is I asked people I knew. I just kept
Speaker 1: telling friends and family the story and and they were like,
Speaker 1: now it doesn't sound RACI, it just sounds really dumb.
Speaker 1: Then literally, that was the feedback that I kept getting.
Speaker 1: I didn't know. Yah, this is the thing. Will you
Speaker 1: become part of the issue nowadays when you have to
Speaker 1: move in spaces with people of color and you don't
Speaker 1: really have to, you don't have to buy right, but
Speaker 1: it would behieve you by right to learn about them
Speaker 1: as much as you can. You know, you didn't ask
Speaker 1: to back then, nor were you told to, nor were
Speaker 1: you didn't affect your check nothing, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: The real tragedy in in all of it is the
Speaker 1: years that went by that we First of all, we
Speaker 1: didn't talk about it because because I really kept did
Speaker 1: you know, because I think that also because like when
Speaker 1: you said, how was it being in such a white show,
Speaker 1: and I said, it was a lot of mouth shutting,
Speaker 1: So you gotta think. I think by time that happened,
Speaker 1: maybe we were second season or end of the first season,
Speaker 1: so I really call a lot it happened, you know,
Speaker 1: little things right right. It may have been the end
Speaker 1: of the sixth season. Yeah, yeah, I don't know. It
Speaker 1: flusters me to this day that I that I said
Speaker 1: something like that to you out of such ignorance, and
Speaker 1: I did apologize at the time, and then I apologized
Speaker 1: in the letter that I wrote you because I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I can't believe that that this is
Speaker 1: still going on because I thought we were we were
Speaker 1: so cool. And then it's like, well, no, of course
Speaker 1: it's still gonna matter. I mean, it's it's I said
Speaker 1: something stupid and hollywand Hollywood doesn't do well for trust issues,
Speaker 1: you know. And then of course the press. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: press takes it and does what they want to do.
Speaker 1: That's something I just want to do say. I did
Speaker 1: not and this is just for me to say in general.
Speaker 1: When I was you know, Matt Matt saying on Twitter, hand,
Speaker 1: I didn't like this, and I didn't like this, and
Speaker 1: you know, for me, it really was a matter of
Speaker 1: I was frustrated. I felt that on my respect level
Speaker 1: was not um appreciated, not that, and and and people
Speaker 1: come in and make comments, Oh you you're you think
Speaker 1: I don't know people people diminished what I think? What
Speaker 1: was my bar of of respect? Okay? And I do
Speaker 1: want to I do want to say this, Okay, and this,
Speaker 1: And I don't want to come off arrogant saying this
Speaker 1: or anything. It's just just about how I view my
Speaker 1: placement in the show. Okay. You guys had a phenomenal
Speaker 1: show from day one, cast chemistry, you had your first season,
Speaker 1: you worked. I mean, this show is such a great,
Speaker 1: amazing team effort. You know. Um, when I came on
Speaker 1: the show, I did my first season. Um, halfway through
Speaker 1: the first season, are are maybe the second season. I'm
Speaker 1: not sure actually, but I asked Michael Jacobs, I said,
Speaker 1: can I the show which featured me, um and something
Speaker 1: about my character. I actually asked for those two shows
Speaker 1: that were Angela's Men and Angela's Ashes. So um, when
Speaker 1: the first show was shot, okay, and when the show
Speaker 1: when we were um doing every week, we had Nielsen's ratings.
Speaker 1: They came out every Wednesday. Okay. So the week before
Speaker 1: that show aired, Angela's Men, Boy Meat's World was number
Speaker 1: fifty two okay in the ratings. I'll never forget this.
Speaker 1: When they aired Angela's Men, a great team effort. You
Speaker 1: You were amazing will in that effort. Um. I think
Speaker 1: the fact that they had aired a show that was
Speaker 1: me with of me that brought in a whole new audience. Okay.
Speaker 1: The ratings jumped from seventeen on that show, from fifty
Speaker 1: two to seventeen. Am I saying that's all me and
Speaker 1: the No, it's not like that. But at the time
Speaker 1: I knew at that met that show had everything to
Speaker 1: do not only with the up jump of ratings, but
Speaker 1: also with the show being we were picked up two
Speaker 1: weeks after that ware. Everyone thought we were going to
Speaker 1: be canceled. About two weeks after that, we were canceled.
Speaker 1: So lie thing is is everybody did their part, but
Speaker 1: you can't deny that there was an audience that I
Speaker 1: brought in that helped Jump to To give it another way,
Speaker 1: usually when when cast members are added, it's called jump
Speaker 1: the shark. Then there's the show's going down. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm talk about will when you don't start, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's Boy Meets World always. Um, it was was
Speaker 1: not inclusive to its own peril. And like I mean,
Speaker 1: we were we were a hit show obviously in certain regards,
Speaker 1: but we also we followed family Matters and hanging Mr
Speaker 1: Cooper was after we were in a huge like a
Speaker 1: predominantly black block, betting that that audience in any way
Speaker 1: and Eily Matters had better ratings than it was, so stupid,
Speaker 1: you know, look in retrospect, and it was you know,
Speaker 1: I don't think it was. I don't think it was
Speaker 1: a consciously racist effort. But obviously there was an unconscious
Speaker 1: bias on our show, you know, where we were completely like, well,
Speaker 1: let's just right show, you know, in the same way
Speaker 1: that our show didn't didn't have like great female characters.
Speaker 1: For so long or didn't have you know, like we
Speaker 1: talked about Betsy Randall not having like much of a
Speaker 1: part because you know, so I mean, I you know,
Speaker 1: we were limited by our worldview and so much so
Speaker 1: like and I think, yeah, by the time they finally
Speaker 1: brought you onto the show train and that was like
Speaker 1: three years too late, you know, five years Alex Dessert,
Speaker 1: you know, Alex Desert Alex, and they did nothing with him,
Speaker 1: Like it was the most like, uh, you know, you
Speaker 1: talk about a token race racial character, like and so creative,
Speaker 1: least brilliant, and yeah, when you go and then he
Speaker 1: went on to Becker and he and he crushed it
Speaker 1: on Becker for years and years and years. Um no,
Speaker 1: But just to close out our conversation, Tree, now you
Speaker 1: know I love you, I I really do. You absolutely
Speaker 1: changed my life for the better. You've really made me
Speaker 1: a better person. And yeah, I just want I want
Speaker 1: to say one thing also in closing, and that I
Speaker 1: never said in the press that I had raised They
Speaker 1: always say these extreme racist moments. It was one moment
Speaker 1: where you said the syrup thing. I got mad. But
Speaker 1: I don't count that as my entire experience on this show.
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying this to give you a break,
Speaker 1: because I'm kind of damn if I do or damn divide.
Speaker 1: I love you, you know. I'm not trying to be
Speaker 1: like but it's more like that's not my entire experience
Speaker 1: on the show. You guys are not. It's not a
Speaker 1: racial issue. It's more of a trust friendship at the
Speaker 1: time where we were and and and people and you
Speaker 1: guys kind of being snot kids and ship. It's pure
Speaker 1: ignorance it was that I was back then, you know.
Speaker 1: I would just also like to say two in closing
Speaker 1: for this conversation because I know it is so important
Speaker 1: to both of you that you you guys are both
Speaker 1: over this conversation because everyone else wants to everyone wants
Speaker 1: to keep about everybody else to be okay. I want
Speaker 1: to jump back into okay. The conversation this is we
Speaker 1: keep talking about race, but it's so important in in
Speaker 1: in context of the show. I want to talk about
Speaker 1: how you and writer, what the conversations were between the
Speaker 1: two of you, and whether or not those conversations included
Speaker 1: the writers or whether the writers talked about it with
Speaker 1: you guys, whether or not to acknowledge the fact that
Speaker 1: Angela and Sean were in an interracial relationship. Okay, this
Speaker 1: is because my memory is not the great atis on this,
Speaker 1: but what I did parts that do come to me
Speaker 1: is I do remember maybe saying to Michael something like,
Speaker 1: don't you think we should talk about this? But his
Speaker 1: stance was like, we're not gonna talk about it. We're
Speaker 1: not gonna talk about We're not gonna He was solid
Speaker 1: on that. UM. I was very confused at the time
Speaker 1: about whether to talk about it or not. I had to.
Speaker 1: I had two realms of thinking, my job and mankind.
Speaker 1: You know, so not too much, not too much of
Speaker 1: a weight on your shoulder. I UM. At the time,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest, I kind of went with my job.
Speaker 1: So I what I what had happened was is on
Speaker 1: my end, Michael set me up and my husband at
Speaker 1: the time with a publicist. You know, he had set
Speaker 1: me up with the publicist. But they got together with
Speaker 1: my publicist, Dick Gutman at the time, and they went
Speaker 1: to the Daily News and they had me write this
Speaker 1: whole article about why it's so great that we don't
Speaker 1: mention um any color at all. It was in the
Speaker 1: New York Times. You can look it up and how
Speaker 1: it's creating its color by well. The truth is I
Speaker 1: didn't really write that article, and my husband and the
Speaker 1: publicist wrote it, and I just wanted to get upset.
Speaker 1: I had to see the baby, and when I read it,
Speaker 1: I kind of felt like, you know, I just can't
Speaker 1: take this on right now. I didn't want to take
Speaker 1: it on, and it wasn't really totally my organic view,
Speaker 1: I do think, and funny enough, this is what why
Speaker 1: you learned to You just say what you need to say.
Speaker 1: Funny enough of rebuttal was written to The Daily News
Speaker 1: by Lorraine Tousant, who said, no, I do not a
Speaker 1: very very famous and very distinguished actress, Lorenejo songs and um,
Speaker 1: she said, no, you must acknowledge that these are two
Speaker 1: two different races getting together. It's very serious. It's it's
Speaker 1: for all of her very good reasons. And I read
Speaker 1: what she said, I actually kind of agreed with her.
Speaker 1: But I was twenty six or seven at the time. Um,
Speaker 1: I just had so much of my shoulders. I was like,
Speaker 1: just let them run with it, and it seemed to
Speaker 1: be working. And then then there another end of that
Speaker 1: I want to say real quickly, is I get tired.
Speaker 1: Um and most every black actor will tell you this,
Speaker 1: from Sydney Potier um on to to to all of us.
Speaker 1: Sometimes we just don't want the weight of having to
Speaker 1: be always take on the black thing with I'm an actor.
Speaker 1: I'm an actor. I was like, well, I felt kind
Speaker 1: of free for a minute, like I don't have to
Speaker 1: be just carry the weight of on the black girl
Speaker 1: on the show, you know, as Yeah, I'm just I'm
Speaker 1: moving and grooving like everybody else on normal. So that
Speaker 1: help good, that aspect of it. But in reality, no,
Speaker 1: that's not if you're really trying to relate to people,
Speaker 1: and I am trying to help people. People needed to
Speaker 1: talk about it, you know. So what hider with you? Writer?
Speaker 1: Did you say something to Michael or something like? I mean,
Speaker 1: I just remember I remember being very conflicted about it.
Speaker 1: I remember I remember you and me personally being conflicted
Speaker 1: about it, and I remember having conversations constantly about like
Speaker 1: why don't we just references because I think I think
Speaker 1: personally you you were very um proud of and expressive
Speaker 1: of your black identity. Uh and and that was like
Speaker 1: a part of you. I remember you always coming conversations
Speaker 1: with me about your life and how you grew up.
Speaker 1: And for me, just like it was always like, uh,
Speaker 1: this is different, you know, this is this is this
Speaker 1: person had a different experience than me, and I had
Speaker 1: a different you know, even though we had the hippie
Speaker 1: school thing apparently in the background for the most part,
Speaker 1: I remember loving the difference and and recognized it, Oh
Speaker 1: treats experience not only in real life, but on this
Speaker 1: set right now is very different, and I loved it.
Speaker 1: I loved being included in that. Like you and I
Speaker 1: bonded very quickly. And I just remember, like by by
Speaker 1: like eighteen and nineteen, being like, ohren is like a
Speaker 1: good friend and this is a real like I'm learning
Speaker 1: a lot, and this is an exposure to something that like.
Speaker 1: And I remember you and I having conversations where you
Speaker 1: would sort of be like, can you believe that this
Speaker 1: happening in our set? Did you see that? And I
Speaker 1: was made aware of things that I wouldn't have been otherwise,
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? And so I think
Speaker 1: for me, I felt I but at the charitable reading
Speaker 1: about Boy Meets World at the time is that we
Speaker 1: were in the nineties MULTICULTI positive moment where uh it
Speaker 1: was It was this idealism of color blindness, right, so
Speaker 1: we're going to we're not going to reference race on
Speaker 1: the show because that's the ideal, is that everybody's color
Speaker 1: blind and we don't see differences, and that's gonna like
Speaker 1: on a kids show, being a model for people. And
Speaker 1: I think there's maybe some truth that I do think
Speaker 1: that there's there are people that have have said to
Speaker 1: me that that was good, um, and I think that's like,
Speaker 1: but I also think that was an easy choice. I
Speaker 1: think it's easy and and and it also can read
Speaker 1: to black people as we don't like when people say
Speaker 1: I don't see color, I don't see color. And when
Speaker 1: I talked to cour see color. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: it's there, I see your color. We just can we
Speaker 1: just respect it. We can even laugh and make jokes,
Speaker 1: but we just don't disrespect or do mean and we
Speaker 1: definitely don't replay, you know, the negative aspects of our
Speaker 1: of our color differences. Really, it was an offshoot, though,
Speaker 1: of what the success of the Cosby Show, and you know,
Speaker 1: Cosby's whole thing was, we're not going to reference race.
Speaker 1: The reality there, though, is you have an entirely all
Speaker 1: black cast you probably have black writing staff, you know,
Speaker 1: so like for us to compare ourselves to that sort
Speaker 1: of post racial ideal was and always was, and in
Speaker 1: retrospect like it was an easy out. It was an
Speaker 1: easy out for our writing staff, It was an easy
Speaker 1: out for our white actors. It was an easy out
Speaker 1: for all of us. And I mean, you know, I
Speaker 1: didn't know that about the article. I remember you writing
Speaker 1: the article, or I remember reading your article and just
Speaker 1: being proud that it was supportive of of us and
Speaker 1: sort of getting acknowledgment of a job, okay, article being honest,
Speaker 1: you know. So if I had to do it over
Speaker 1: and I could take my real, real stance of hindsight
Speaker 1: and everything, I would have definitely said I would have
Speaker 1: wrote an opposite article, and I would have pushed more
Speaker 1: for us to have at least more jokes about the
Speaker 1: differences or and it would have been cool to have
Speaker 1: an episode about you know, maybe you come to my
Speaker 1: house and the food is different, or this is different exactly,
Speaker 1: and was just treated as if she were she was
Speaker 1: in white face. Can I tell you something I always
Speaker 1: on the show. You know, this is my normal speaking voice, okay,
Speaker 1: but sometimes from coming from black sitcoms. I always had
Speaker 1: to have like a black meter so so so I
Speaker 1: always when my black meter was probably a down to
Speaker 1: about it too, you know. And I remember one time
Speaker 1: when I was doing a Angela's Ashes episode sometow my
Speaker 1: my black meter had slipped up and I was appy
Speaker 1: about about a nine right. Michael comes over to me
Speaker 1: and his note was, hey, TRAINA just turned down the
Speaker 1: Delma Hopkins about eight notches. And I know exactly what
Speaker 1: you were talking about. And you know, there's just so
Speaker 1: many things you guys are so lucky you didn't have
Speaker 1: to think about. So when I could, I didn't. Sometimes
Speaker 1: it was too much and I just threw it. I
Speaker 1: threw it away at the time, and I'm glad. I
Speaker 1: think I think the majority of people in comments on
Speaker 1: social media is say that they're cool with it not
Speaker 1: being mentioned. But I do say those are predominantly white
Speaker 1: people into racial couples wanted to be talked. I wish
Speaker 1: you had said a little bit more. I wish you
Speaker 1: had said it. And then there are a lot of
Speaker 1: black people who kind of like it, like not mentioned,
Speaker 1: you know, to they're as it was. So for a
Speaker 1: certain subset of people, it's always gonna be like, wouldn't
Speaker 1: it be nice if if two people could just love
Speaker 1: each other, you know, regardless of race and not have
Speaker 1: to acknowledge it. I think the reality is it's unavoidable,
Speaker 1: and it's kind of but you know, they're still they're
Speaker 1: still doing that today though. I mean ships Creak is
Speaker 1: like that where they kind of they he talks about
Speaker 1: that were invented world where you know the fact that
Speaker 1: he's bisexual or there's they're the kind of being gay
Speaker 1: is totally accepted to the point where it's never mentioned.
Speaker 1: He's like, that's how I wanted to do it, because
Speaker 1: that's what the town I wanted to live in, where
Speaker 1: it's like it just doesn't matter, you know. Can I
Speaker 1: tell you every interracial couple I see on TV after us,
Speaker 1: I always say they copied us. They copied us everyone
Speaker 1: they were or not the first for teens, I think
Speaker 1: so in General Hospital that looks they use my name
Speaker 1: for the character Trina, and it would just like us.
Speaker 1: And I know, you know, you talked about you talked
Speaker 1: about on the Internet and and feeling like there are
Speaker 1: a lot of people who disrespect you and lower the
Speaker 1: bar for know, first of all, that's the Internet is
Speaker 1: just the worst, sometimes the worst place ever. But when
Speaker 1: I tell you the amount of comments and emails we
Speaker 1: get about how important you are to our show, to them,
Speaker 1: how important your relationship with Sean is, how much me
Speaker 1: how much Like I knew it was an important aspect
Speaker 1: of our show, but I am not going to lie
Speaker 1: that it. It is shocking the amount of people who
Speaker 1: reach out and say, Trina, Trina, Trina, Trina, Trina, I
Speaker 1: gotta I gotta show you something. Okay, you are so beloved. Okay,
Speaker 1: this is something a fan made me. I've kept it
Speaker 1: over here, scrap book. It's a full scrap of Oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, it's just like a lot. Okay, this is
Speaker 1: how it Because I have an age in a single picture,
Speaker 1: You have an age that possible. That is amazing. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just it's it's amazing. I mean, we're actually relevant
Speaker 1: now because because of the cliffhangers, you know, the whole
Speaker 1: thing Sean and Angela, though, is funny because people keep
Speaker 1: saying I wish they had ended up together. They should
Speaker 1: have been endgame. I am so glad they weren't end
Speaker 1: game because now everybody talks about it. For twenty years nice. Nice,
Speaker 1: I actually do want to ask you about that you
Speaker 1: mentioned asking for the episodes that the two back to
Speaker 1: back episodes, Angela's Men and Angela's Ashes. We have heard
Speaker 1: so many times how upset people are that you were
Speaker 1: not in our series finale. Okay, I got really frankly
Speaker 1: about that. Yes, because we don't we don't ground we
Speaker 1: have not covered okay, because we don't get that all right.
Speaker 1: I was told in a kind of a weird, offhanded
Speaker 1: way by a very important person that you guys all
Speaker 1: went to Michael Jacobs and you said, we don't want
Speaker 1: her in the last episode. What she's she's somehow taking
Speaker 1: our light was the gist of it, and we don't
Speaker 1: want her in the last episode. Wow. Oh yeah, Oh
Speaker 1: my god. So I was told that after I shot
Speaker 1: what was the what was the show before the last episode?
Speaker 1: The show before the last episode was called I think
Speaker 1: it was Angela's Ashes. Yeah, when I left, Okay, So
Speaker 1: I when Michael announced to me, oh, we're gonna do
Speaker 1: another show on Angela, I was just so happy. I
Speaker 1: was and I'm not knowing this was gonna be the
Speaker 1: show before the last show. And I remember after we
Speaker 1: take the show, I had said to a person, Um,
Speaker 1: you know, why why are you in the last show?
Speaker 1: Because I know the last show is gonna be the
Speaker 1: one with all the ratings and all the crying and
Speaker 1: all the stuff. I was under the impression y'all got
Speaker 1: together and did not want me in the last show
Speaker 1: for some reason. I was gonna take some shine or
Speaker 1: something like to that effect. That's what I say. There
Speaker 1: was an element of competitivism there that really probably didn't
Speaker 1: need to be there. That was really hurtful for Tea
Speaker 1: for a long time. And to make it worse, you know,
Speaker 1: people of color um tend to look into things a
Speaker 1: little hard or sometimes so I had cousins calling me saying,
Speaker 1: how come you one in the last episode? So they
Speaker 1: just gave you that whole show so that you would
Speaker 1: be distracted. It wouldn't be in the show with the
Speaker 1: real ratings and the real thing. Several of my cousins,
Speaker 1: my family members are telling me this, and I'm thinking,
Speaker 1: you know what, this is strange. And then I was
Speaker 1: hit with that particular news about it, that it was
Speaker 1: some kind of kotata, you know, And then I liked, um,
Speaker 1: this is a true and then I when I watched
Speaker 1: that Lefto, which I've never really fully watched because I've
Speaker 1: always felt funny about it and I always looked at like, well,
Speaker 1: why is Maitland in it? That's what I was going
Speaker 1: to say. I don't remember much of the episode except
Speaker 1: for the class and I was about to ask That's
Speaker 1: what I was at least not in the last scene,
Speaker 1: obviously the last last they're in the last episode, why so, like,
Speaker 1: why the hell would we go? Whoever you're talking about?
Speaker 1: Not even in school with you guys? Ever? Except character?
Speaker 1: Was Math's character moving to New York with us at
Speaker 1: the end of Boy? I don't know because what I remember.
Speaker 1: What I remember was that there were people not like
Speaker 1: I did not want to do this, but I remember
Speaker 1: that there was a conversation about the show continuing, possibly
Speaker 1: being picked up, or a new show with those of
Speaker 1: us who moved to New York going on and creating
Speaker 1: like a twenty something like a spinoff that was years
Speaker 1: later or no, years later, but they I remember there
Speaker 1: was conversation on set that week, people being like, they're
Speaker 1: setting up the potential for a new show with the
Speaker 1: you know, which still excluded Trina you know. So I'm
Speaker 1: not saying anything better. But what I'm saying that like,
Speaker 1: and all I did, I wanted off of the show
Speaker 1: at that point. I mean, I was very sad with
Speaker 1: boy Needs. The world was ending, but I was I
Speaker 1: was already going to Columbia. I was already ready to
Speaker 1: like a rolling and like moved to New York. So
Speaker 1: like I did not want to do that. But I
Speaker 1: remember people talking like, oh, they're potentially ABC is potentially
Speaker 1: setting up a spinoff show with you guys going on
Speaker 1: to New York. But and I honestly, can we say,
Speaker 1: for the for the record, can we say, for the record, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we say, for the record, Trina, that never happened, not
Speaker 1: with the happened every trading on the lives of my children.
Speaker 1: I swear on my marriage and my wife that never
Speaker 1: ever leave you. Oh god, oh god, in my head
Speaker 1: for so long. No, I've never watched that show. I've
Speaker 1: always felt like, and I'm sorry, I'm sorry you say
Speaker 1: that's competitiveness. That's not competitiveness to me, that's like sociopathy. Oh,
Speaker 1: this pisces me off. I'm sorry, that's like not real,
Speaker 1: this pisses me off. This is this is next level
Speaker 1: crazy kind of a long time. See I what do
Speaker 1: you want him? An actress? Like we think we think,
Speaker 1: you know, like when something happens right and you wish
Speaker 1: you could have said something in somebody some way, but
Speaker 1: so you go over it in your mind you're like,
Speaker 1: I wish I hadn't said that, and I can told
Speaker 1: him this this way. You know what I'm saying. Boyman's
Speaker 1: world is such a big thing. It's such a big thing.
Speaker 1: It's been such a big thing. I haven't had a
Speaker 1: decince boy me. It's world where there's not one day
Speaker 1: I don't hear the word. So give him. Give me
Speaker 1: that credit that it's in my head all the time,
Speaker 1: everywhere I go, and every now and then, maybe ten
Speaker 1: years ago, i'd be like, I wish I had a
Speaker 1: tall tom I did do that. It was really messed up,
Speaker 1: And it's really messed up when you're doing that often
Speaker 1: that's not even like for real. Yeah, And one of
Speaker 1: one of the greatest things that's come out of all
Speaker 1: of this, and us doing conventions together and us talking
Speaker 1: and all of this is that all those years that
Speaker 1: went by when boy Meats World ended, I didn't have
Speaker 1: Traina's phone number. Again, we were in very different places
Speaker 1: in our life we were I think the worst thing
Speaker 1: you could say about our relationship is that we were
Speaker 1: um friendly coworkers more than friends off off stage. And
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying, you know, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: We we What would we have done after work? Like
Speaker 1: you said, you had to go home to a family.
Speaker 1: I was driving Laurel Canyon for funzies like we had um.
Speaker 1: But the thing that that I makes me happiest now
Speaker 1: is that, and that is a regret of mine, is
Speaker 1: the conversations that we had, or like you're saying, where
Speaker 1: things build up over time, where someone told you something
Speaker 1: that was very untrue and hurt you. And when people
Speaker 1: know that, they can get you to feel a certain
Speaker 1: way by playing to the competitiveness and knowing, oh, Danielle
Speaker 1: is so checked out. She's not, she's not. They're not
Speaker 1: going to have that conversation with each other. So I
Speaker 1: can say this and they're never gonna know that I
Speaker 1: said this to her. And because the silence, once it
Speaker 1: hits your brain and then you're silent, the silence grows
Speaker 1: and then the whole imagery of it becomes bigger than
Speaker 1: exactly than what it really is. I would also like
Speaker 1: to point out that that he did not do this,
Speaker 1: at least in my opinion, in my experience, he didn't
Speaker 1: do this to the guys. I mean, yes, it's true
Speaker 1: that we weren't played against each other, but I won't
Speaker 1: go so far as to say we weren't manipulated. Oh no,
Speaker 1: that's different. Manipulated. All weren't played. It wasn't whispering one
Speaker 1: year and then whispering another ear about something else. And
Speaker 1: I think it goes back to Trina's point from before,
Speaker 1: where it's everybody stay in your own lane. Nobody's going
Speaker 1: to talk about anything. Let's stay as divided as we
Speaker 1: possibly can. Yeah, you're just gonna stay as as in
Speaker 1: your and nobody's going to talk about anything. And so
Speaker 1: not only does nothing get done, but as time passes,
Speaker 1: it festers. Yeah. You, by the way, by the time
Speaker 1: you came to Girl Meets World, you had had fourteen
Speaker 1: or fifteen years of believing we got together to keep
Speaker 1: you from being in the seld. And then the interaction
Speaker 1: you have with me is very cold. How could you
Speaker 1: not walk away thinking she hates me? She had after me.
Speaker 1: We have to we're always in competition. We will always
Speaker 1: be in competition. And then when it when we finally
Speaker 1: talked and said, okay, let's just lay it all out.
Speaker 1: Here's what I heard, here's what I heard, here's what
Speaker 1: I heard. And then all that stuff came up and
Speaker 1: we had all our big therapy moments, and then we
Speaker 1: looked at each other and we said, what a shame
Speaker 1: we weren't able to just talk about this from the
Speaker 1: beginning because we have wasted years. Yes, we could have
Speaker 1: helped each other. We could have been there for you
Speaker 1: to strategize. We could have got over on everybody. We
Speaker 1: could have been there for each other the way we've
Speaker 1: been there for each other through multiple hardships over the
Speaker 1: last several years. So that, for me is the biggest
Speaker 1: lesson and the and um and the importance of talking
Speaker 1: and and being willing to dig deep for the same purpose,
Speaker 1: which is growing and becoming better people and doing better
Speaker 1: maybe a better person. You may be a better person
Speaker 1: train all the way through trusting you, guys. I like
Speaker 1: trusting you. It feels really good. I'm so sorry that
Speaker 1: it's Hollwood. Well. We are so grateful that you came
Speaker 1: to have this conversation with us today. We love you.
Speaker 1: So much. We're going to be seeing you a bunch
Speaker 1: over the last several months. We're gonna we're not going
Speaker 1: to watch the episode. I was already and everything. I
Speaker 1: had all my nose. But that's okay, we are. So
Speaker 1: I'm wrapping this episode up. I'm gonna wrap this one up.
Speaker 1: We'll say goodbye to you and then we'll keep you here.
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna wrap this one up. So all right,
Speaker 1: thank you, We thank you so much for being here.
Speaker 1: What a wonderful conversation. Was going to stick with us
Speaker 1: to do the recap of our next episode, which is
Speaker 1: episode eleven, The Father Son Game, which originally aired on
Speaker 1: December sevent so stick around for that. But um, Trina,
Speaker 1: we can't thank you enough for being here with us.
Speaker 1: And we love you. We love you, Trina, Thank you,
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