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Speaker 1: and we go in the bathroom together, like and all

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00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:05,320
Speaker 1: the girls could see him. Wanted to give me these

428
00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:07,240
Speaker 1: notes or whatever it was. I want you to be different,

429
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:10,040
Speaker 1: like nobody else has ever been on this. You gotta

430
00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:12,960
Speaker 1: be different, okay. And then I had some lipstick on

431
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:14,600
Speaker 1: and I started putting something. He goes, no, notes, so

432
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:20,960
Speaker 1: take that lipstick off. That's not it. You just come

433
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:29,399
Speaker 1: in different. So that was the direction. Different, look different,

434
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:32,440
Speaker 1: do something different to yourself. So I start to put

435
00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:36,800
Speaker 1: these lipstick on it. No, no, it's not it. Take

436
00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:41,400
Speaker 1: the lipstick off. That's forbade him. So and he walks out.

437
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:42,560
Speaker 1: He goes into him and I guess you were in

438
00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:44,800
Speaker 1: the room writer and everything, and I'm taking I'm like

439
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:48,959
Speaker 1: so nervous. And then this time I go in before

440
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:51,320
Speaker 1: all the girls go in, and I go in and

441
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:53,160
Speaker 1: I read with you and these these is the time,

442
00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:56,240
Speaker 1: these walls that these auditions were thin thin. I don't

443
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:58,320
Speaker 1: know what in l A and you can hear everything.

444
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:01,520
Speaker 1: So I go in and I do the audition. I

445
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:03,040
Speaker 1: don't know if I'm good or not. I didn't know.

446
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,359
Speaker 1: I'm just doing me. And I come out and two

447
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 1: of the girls who were on the bench looked at

448
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:11,800
Speaker 1: me and they said, the girl, we knows you, you know, yeah,

449
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:16,320
Speaker 1: and then you know that that's how I And then

450
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:18,960
Speaker 1: a couple of days later, I got a call that

451
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 1: I was going to be on the show. But see,

452
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:23,800
Speaker 1: in my mind, I was always a series regular. I

453
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,560
Speaker 1: was very arrogant back then, I have to say, I

454
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,640
Speaker 1: was very actressy and you know, so I just assumed

455
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:31,600
Speaker 1: that I was assumed a series of regular. It wasn't

456
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:33,480
Speaker 1: n till like three months later being on the show

457
00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:36,240
Speaker 1: and Michael said, hey, Trainer, we really like your work

458
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:38,520
Speaker 1: and we're gonna keep you. And I was like, yeah,

459
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:44,199
Speaker 1: well yeah, I already know that that was the point. Yeah, exactly,

460
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:46,760
Speaker 1: I love that. So that was you know, that's well,

461
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,399
Speaker 1: that's my question. That's what I wonder. I was was

462
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 1: the Angela character? Was she supposed to be just reoccurring?

463
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:56,760
Speaker 1: Originally or was she always planning on they were testing

464
00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:00,440
Speaker 1: it out. I think they wanted a regular arter, but

465
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 1: they weren't sure, so they wanted which is you know,

466
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 1: smart on their part, right. I mean it's not great

467
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,679
Speaker 1: for for you, Trina, because you're not getting paid as

468
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 1: well or have any sort of future out. Yeah, so

469
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 1: they eat it out. Also, it's good creatively because you

470
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:16,640
Speaker 1: can sort of feel out, you know, whether this character

471
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,280
Speaker 1: is gonna work or not. But here's my question, Trina,

472
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:22,720
Speaker 1: So we're all the other actress is black? Was that

473
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:27,960
Speaker 1: like every single one, every shade from like light skins

474
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 1: and Caramel going down? Gabrielle Union was there? Essence Atkins

475
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 1: was one of the people. I don't remember too many

476
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,359
Speaker 1: other of the girls, but I remember Gabrielle Union was

477
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:45,280
Speaker 1: on like the second day bench. You know, so you're

478
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:48,240
Speaker 1: the only person I ever read with. And at that point,

479
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,159
Speaker 1: I mean they had already I had had a meeting

480
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 1: with the producers. Wait, so when those girls were going in,

481
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 1: they weren't reading with you know, I think I think

482
00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:00,880
Speaker 1: you might be combining time. No either, either they brought

483
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 1: me in and just to read with you and brought

484
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:05,879
Speaker 1: me back out, or you're conflating two different meetings. By

485
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 1: the time I met you, it was sort of like,

486
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,359
Speaker 1: this is what who we think is the girl? What

487
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 1: do you think? And I remember realizing it was the

488
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 1: scene that I had done with Larissa and thinking, well,

489
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 1: no one could do this better than Larissa, like this

490
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 1: is gonna suck, and then reading with you and after

491
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:22,440
Speaker 1: you left being like, oh, yeah, that was incredible. This

492
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 1: is so and just being like absolutely, there's no doubt

493
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 1: in my mind that this will work like it was

494
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,200
Speaker 1: so it was so obvious, like I don't know, I

495
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 1: felt it in the room, and I'm pretty sure you

496
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 1: did too. It was like, oh, this is this is

497
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 1: so easy. Trina, what was your first impression of Writer?

498
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 1: I thought a writer was really cute, and I liked

499
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:43,639
Speaker 1: reading with him because I felt like our timing was

500
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 1: very mutually nice. It was just a nice chemistry. I

501
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:50,440
Speaker 1: really liked acting with Writer, especially when I had to

502
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 1: do softer scenes, you know. But I thought it was cute,

503
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 1: you know, but I just thought it was a kid

504
00:26:55,400 --> 00:27:04,160
Speaker 1: really kind of telling you about so was age? Well,

505
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:10,920
Speaker 1: hold on, hold on, Trina, Trina looks younger than any

506
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:17,439
Speaker 1: of us, than all of us, but Trina is actually, well,

507
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:19,920
Speaker 1: she's twelve years old. You're twelve years older than me. Yeah,

508
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 1: and so that makes you tend to eleven years older

509
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 1: than Writer. And so Writer was seventeen at the time,

510
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 1: right right, this was you came in and you were

511
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:37,439
Speaker 1: twenty eight years ago. We did not find out for Trina,

512
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,639
Speaker 1: did you share your age with anybody or was it?

513
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 1: If not, was it a conscious choice to not let

514
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 1: anyone know your age. I never think about my age

515
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,359
Speaker 1: like that. I just feel like it is what it is.

516
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 1: I wasn't a conscious choice. Michael actually let her later

517
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:56,200
Speaker 1: said he thought I was older than it was. Really,

518
00:27:56,760 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 1: but no, I think that was about eleven years older

519
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 1: than than Writer. And you know I didn't. I was

520
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 1: so I gotta say this is please forgive me people change.

521
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:12,920
Speaker 1: I was so into myself, and I was so into

522
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 1: myself that, like, you know, I thought about okay things,

523
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 1: but I only thought about it in for chains of

524
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 1: you know, honestly, how I can get ahead? You know,

525
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 1: I can. I can jog your I can jog your

526
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,680
Speaker 1: memory because I remember very specifically what happened and why

527
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 1: you didn't tell us your age, because you did not

528
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 1: choose to know. I do so I had done an

529
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:36,880
Speaker 1: episode where I was making out with a guest star

530
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 1: m and she showed up at the tape night with

531
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 1: a baby, and we found out because we had assumed

532
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 1: all week that she was my age or whatever, and

533
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 1: she turned out to be twenty eight or something baby,

534
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 1: and we freaked out at the time, you know, because

535
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 1: I was seventeen and I was like, oh my god.

536
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 1: And so we told that story in front of you

537
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 1: when you were just a guest star or whatever, your

538
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 1: first and I remember then you kept your mouth. She

539
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 1: was never going to say a word. It was weeks

540
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 1: later and it was you, me and Will and we're rehearsing,

541
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 1: and I don't remember somebody said something about like a

542
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 1: year or whatever, and you nodded like knowingly, and Will

543
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 1: looked at you and called you out in front of me. Will,

544
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 1: you were like, how old are you training? How old

545
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 1: are you really? Just like I don't know, I don't

546
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 1: want to say. And then and she was like, He's like,

547
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 1: you're over twenty, aren't you. And she's like, yeah, I'm

548
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 1: twenty eight. He's like, how many kids you got? How

549
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 1: many kids you got? And You're like too, at the time,

550
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 1: you have two kids. And we were like, oh my god.

551
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 1: I was like, no, no, it's okay, and you're like,

552
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 1: it's not okay. I heard you talking about that other

553
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:45,719
Speaker 1: actors and it freaked you out, and so that's why

554
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 1: you kept your mouth shut from me. And then I

555
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 1: was like, no, no, no, it's okay. It's totally fine,

556
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 1: even though I had no filter. I had no I

557
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 1: had no filter. Back in the hold, Tina, I wanted

558
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 1: it back to what you said where Trina, where you said,

559
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 1: oh please forgive me people change. I was so into myself, like,

560
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 1: first of all, we were all narcissists. It wasn't I mean, yes,

561
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 1: for sure, but also not just narcissist. Also, just like teenage,

562
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 1: the world revolves around me. Like I literally remember thinking

563
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 1: like all day every day, being like when do I

564
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 1: get to drive down Laurel Canyon for the first time?

565
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 1: You know, I was sixteen, I had just gotten my

566
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 1: driver's license, Like I was so excited to drive down

567
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 1: Laurel Canyon, and and whether or not I was gonna

568
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 1: go which dance I was going to. I that was

569
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 1: all I was thinking about. I wasn't thinking about anything else.

570
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 1: And for you, Trina, as I have gotten older, and

571
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 1: we have had so many conversations and all of this, this,

572
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 1: these conversations that we've had have been like therapy for us,

573
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 1: talking about our our histories and our past together. When

574
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 1: I think about that, for you, at twenty eight years old,

575
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 1: married with two children and pregnant at the time with

576
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 1: your third shewing my brain and insane, you, of course,

577
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 1: this was a career for you. This was it, sus

578
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 1: and had a very important job. It was a regular job.

579
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 1: It was every week coming back and like you said,

580
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 1: in your mind, you set your sights on I'm a regular.

581
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 1: They may not have told me yet, but I know

582
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 1: it's going to be true. I am manifesting that, and

583
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 1: you did. It came to fruition and then it lasted

584
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 1: for three years. So for you, this was I mean,

585
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 1: it was so much more than than it was for

586
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 1: me rolling into work crazy right, crazy, so annoying crazy.

587
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 1: I remember the first episode, very first episode I had,

588
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 1: and I just had one little line. It was just

589
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 1: kind of introducing me, and I said it was called

590
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 1: reality World and boil meat reality or something. When I'm

591
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 1: setting a couple of desk and I had one line

592
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 1: like a duck cory or something, but you guys were

593
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 1: so you guys were the typical teenagers, I mean, and

594
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 1: I think at that point that year that was kind

595
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 1: of the beginning of everybody as you guys teenagers, and

596
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 1: I saw going through this kind of I've got to

597
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 1: be me stage and everything, and you guys were really

598
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 1: close knit, and I think you were really my perception

599
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 1: was that you were really confused about me because I'm older,

600
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 1: but I'm not older, and I can't really fit in

601
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 1: your group. So my I guess my first perceptive of

602
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 1: you on that I kind of thought you guys were

603
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 1: snarsally makes I honestly thought you were really really privileged

604
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 1: kids that didn't know you were you know, that didn't

605
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 1: know and I, you know, I'm twenty eight. That's not

606
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 1: old like I'm supposed to know everything. I think the

607
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 1: phase I was going through is twenty eight was more like,

608
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 1: I think I know everything. I've really got it together.

609
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 1: I've got these kids in my career in Dada and

610
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 1: these kids, you know. It was more out of my attitude,

611
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 1: So anything you did to feed that would would um

612
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 1: kind of fuel that for me. But honestly, in the

613
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 1: back of my mind, I sometimes I would think it

614
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 1: wouldn't be really cool to just be their age and

615
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 1: be able to go Like I remember one time you

616
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 1: guys were going somewhere after work and all together, and

617
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 1: I was like, I can't go with them because I

618
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 1: have to like go, which is great, but you know,

619
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 1: but it was weird because it was like I really

620
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 1: did relate to you because you guys were very adult

621
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 1: like um kids, and I really did relate to on

622
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 1: a lot of levels. But then there was always a

623
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 1: line that was cross, like, oh, we're gonna go, can't

624
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 1: do something crazy with our friends. Writer had this new

625
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 1: car and he was dating downtown and everybody, and I'm like, okay,

626
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go change diapers and yeah, and you. I mean,

627
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 1: that's that's the thing that was. But that's the thing

628
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 1: that was so strange is that you and I were

629
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 1: closer in age. We still weren't super cool. I mean,

630
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,360
Speaker 1: we're closer in age, but we never worked together. We

631
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 1: didn't like we never were I think we were episodes.

632
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 1: I mean you had been there forever before you and

633
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:18,839
Speaker 1: I were ever on screen together. So we always talk

634
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:20,840
Speaker 1: about the two boy meets worlds where it's like I

635
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:22,360
Speaker 1: didn't get a chance to get to know you on

636
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 1: a personal level kind of at all. And when I

637
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 1: go back, there's people like, now that we've started this podcast,

638
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:29,319
Speaker 1: people will send us stuff like they're sending us old

639
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 1: T G. I F clips and stuff like that. And

640
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 1: there are certain clips they're sending where I just think

641
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 1: I am so cool, Like you can tell these things

642
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 1: where it's like I am the coolest guy in the world.

643
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 1: I don't want to listen to And I look back

644
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 1: at it now and you're just like, oh my god.

645
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 1: The arrogance of youth. It is just so horrifying. So

646
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 1: that couple with not knowing you at all. I mean,

647
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 1: we didn't become friends until you were there. For like,

648
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:55,400
Speaker 1: we didn't dislike each other, we just didn't know each other.

649
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,839
Speaker 1: So it was so weird to have the two boy

650
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:04,880
Speaker 1: to worlds where we just were yeah, yeah, Well, I

651
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,880
Speaker 1: think honestly, to a certain degree, I'm going to say this,

652
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 1: I think we all could have, but this doesn't really

653
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 1: work in this kind of work environment or what they do.

654
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 1: I think they were powers in play that be that

655
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 1: kind of made us all words are said dropped here

656
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 1: and there to make us all competitive with each other

657
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:28,880
Speaker 1: so that we will give stronger performances. You know, certain

658
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 1: powers played us against one another and had been for years. Frankly,

659
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,359
Speaker 1: so I think at times my relationship, which you did,

660
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 1: suffer because of that, and because I was really really

661
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 1: competitive at the time. I just I just wanted everything

662
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 1: all at once, and I went for it. You know.

663
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 1: But you'd also been we were we were the kind

664
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 1: of kids a lot of us had started working at

665
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 1: a very young age. We were lucky to be on

666
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 1: this show. You had been like the New York actress,

667
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 1: fighting and scrapping, and now you're out here away from

668
00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 1: your kids for a while, fighting and scrapping to get

669
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 1: a job. So again, Daniel's right. We came at this

670
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 1: from I think your word is exactly right. Privilege just

671
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 1: a place of privilege, and then you throw on fame

672
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 1: and money when you're in your teenage years, and it

673
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 1: just takes it to a whole another levels. I think

674
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 1: it's probably a pretty accurate term for us. When I

675
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 1: thought you were taking it for granted, and I thought

676
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 1: that there were times like when you guys were really

677
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 1: needed space to play and stuff. I just came from

678
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 1: like it's such a serious place, like we've got to

679
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,359
Speaker 1: get this job done in the work and I've I've

680
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 1: waited so long to get here, and you know, so

681
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 1: I just wasn't a total different headspace. And but what

682
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:42,320
Speaker 1: I think what's more important for me over the years

683
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 1: is to be to realize that life is not fair

684
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 1: and not everybody had to do a scrape up from

685
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 1: the bottom to get up. Everybody's journey is different and

686
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 1: I and I have to respect. As much as I

687
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 1: want you to respect my journey, I have to respect

688
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 1: your journey, especially now that we're older, and you know,

689
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,240
Speaker 1: it just is what it is. It doesn't It doesn't

690
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 1: help me to to look at you guys and be like, oh, well,

691
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:06,840
Speaker 1: she just had a podet commercial and made it. You

692
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:13,320
Speaker 1: know what. Our relationship, I actually enjoyed being friends with

693
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 1: Danielle way more than that little stigma that people tend

694
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:19,919
Speaker 1: to hang on, you know. And also, let's just get real,

695
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 1: I'm a black actress. I mean, there's not There was

696
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 1: a great sweet time in the nineties when they were

697
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,359
Speaker 1: using us to build up the up N and they

698
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 1: were using us to build up Fox Network, and it

699
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:32,840
Speaker 1: ended and I caught a sweet spot in that time,

700
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 1: and um, it was amazing to be able to to

701
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 1: to hop on your show. It's it's just they're just

702
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:41,760
Speaker 1: are weren't a lot of opportunities. They were very farmed

703
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 1: into a narrow path. We mentioned a bunch of the

704
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 1: shows that you had done before Boy Meets World, and

705
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:58,760
Speaker 1: almost all of them, maybe all of them were entirely

706
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:03,359
Speaker 1: black casts. Yeah, and then you come onto Boy Meets World,

707
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:07,840
Speaker 1: which we have acknowledged her multiple times is the whitest

708
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 1: white cast and almost an exclusively white crew. There was

709
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 1: one lighting guy. Okay, well, and there's one lighting guy.

710
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 1: Because what was that like for you? I mean, you were,

711
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 1: like you said, it was very You were very comfortable

712
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 1: in that way because that was very much how you

713
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:32,800
Speaker 1: grew up. But but still, what was that experience like

714
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 1: for you? It all right, it was comfortable for me

715
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:39,800
Speaker 1: because of course my upbringing. But it also took a

716
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 1: lot of biting my tongue too, especially okay, when we

717
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 1: weren't filming, Okay, and everyone or when we were filming

718
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 1: and everyone would be back around that table at craft Services.

719
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:57,359
Speaker 1: You know, that's where the real party was. So that's

720
00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 1: when I when I wasn't filming and I'm kneeling around,

721
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:01,320
Speaker 1: there's is especially on tape of nights. That's what I

722
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 1: would hear certain things or conversations people would say, and

723
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 1: I'd be and I'd have to go home and I would,

724
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 1: you know, really tell my husband at the time, I

725
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 1: can't believe they just said that. Like one mom, I'm

726
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 1: not gonna say too. It was at the time they

727
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 1: had another little TV that would have the news and

728
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:19,800
Speaker 1: then they'd have the show. So one mom it was

729
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 1: voting time in California and they had some prop for

730
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 1: the Indians to get something. So one mom of one

731
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 1: of the best ever said, um, we don't know all

732
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 1: these Indians. I damn playing, you know. So it was

733
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff like that. Would sometimes not a

734
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 1: lot what would happen, and I'd be like, think, though

735
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:43,240
Speaker 1: I really had nobody to back me to say anything,

736
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 1: you know, or because she was kind of saying, it's everybody.

737
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 1: Anybody could have come in and said anything, you know.

738
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 1: So sometimes things or some sons I would just just

739
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:57,840
Speaker 1: and I would just understand that some of our experiences

740
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 1: were not the same and our belief systems were not

741
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:03,839
Speaker 1: the same. So it only really came into play when

742
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 1: people would speak their political issues on the set because

743
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:12,240
Speaker 1: The reality is is you don't have to know anything

744
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 1: about me. You don't have to know anything about my

745
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 1: culture to get ahead in America. UM. I was taught

746
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:19,800
Speaker 1: at a young age by my grandmother who was in

747
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 1: the working force and in the in the army, and

748
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 1: she was a just a great woman, and she always

749
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 1: worked in the white world. And we have to know

750
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:32,399
Speaker 1: about you, we have to know how to get along

751
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:37,400
Speaker 1: with you. UM. I have family members, you know, from Philly,

752
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 1: who if I brought them into a room with a

753
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 1: bunch of white people, they were just walked right out

754
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 1: the door because they wouldn't know really how to relate

755
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 1: to I. Really, I do want to thank my grandmother

756
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 1: for giving me that education, making me go to those

757
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 1: schools to be able to, um, get ahead, and that

758
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 1: then that part of society which is important to any

759
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 1: black and marriage to be able to achieve we have

760
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 1: to be able to compete, um with the masses. So um,

761
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:12,879
Speaker 1: the feeling I always was watching, I always was taking

762
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 1: on my grandma, which she would say in the workplace,

763
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:17,799
Speaker 1: So that meant biting my tongue a lot. It wasn't

764
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 1: that wasn't for me to get into every conversation I

765
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 1: want to say though, because Trina, you're you're talking right

766
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 1: now for sure about times where you bit your tongue,

767
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 1: and I know that that had to happen, but I

768
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 1: also there was very specifically a time that you didn't

769
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 1: bite your tongue and it was with a conversation that

770
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:34,800
Speaker 1: you had with Will. And I want you guys to

771
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:38,280
Speaker 1: talk about it because I bring it up only because

772
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:42,359
Speaker 1: it is such an important moment in Will's life, specifically

773
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 1: that he has given you credit for over and over

774
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 1: again as being somebody who has changed his life. And

775
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 1: so why don't you guys talk just very briefly. We

776
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 1: have been in the news for this. It's been we

777
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 1: have talked about it ad nauseum, so we do not

778
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 1: want to spend a lot of time on it, but

779
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 1: I do want you guys to touch on it. Yeah,

780
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 1: we can touch on it, but it's Trina and I

781
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 1: have have been through this now a number of times.

782
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 1: So can you please tell the story so that we

783
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 1: can Here's how Here's how I remember, Here's how I

784
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:11,759
Speaker 1: remember the story, and and and trying to correct me

785
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 1: if I'm wrong, writer was there as well, but here's

786
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 1: how I remember the story. So we used to always

787
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:19,320
Speaker 1: make fun of each other on the set. That was

788
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 1: like our thing. I saw you come out of the

789
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:26,839
Speaker 1: dressing room in a big red head scarf. In my head,

790
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:31,479
Speaker 1: I attached no cultural significance to that whatsoever. I saw

791
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 1: a person who I thought was my friend but didn't

792
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 1: know all that well wearing a big red hat. It

793
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 1: was comfortable and you know enough, but you and I

794
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,840
Speaker 1: still hadn't worked together a ton. But I was like,

795
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 1: you're part of the cast, so that means gonna make

796
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 1: fun of you the same way and make fun So

797
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 1: I thought, gonna make fun of her red hat. That's

798
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 1: as far as my dumbass, privileged mind saw it. And

799
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 1: so right before I walked on for my part, I

800
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:01,360
Speaker 1: walked by and went love your syrup, and walked onto

801
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 1: the set, thinking boom Zing just got her for her hat.

802
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:09,359
Speaker 1: I heard Rider laughing like it was like, hey, that's

803
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 1: what it was then exactly. But then so we finished this,

804
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 1: We finished the scene, and you came up to me

805
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 1: and you're like, that was not that was not okay,

806
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 1: And I was like what, I had no idea what

807
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 1: you were talking about. It's like what And you went that,

808
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 1: referring to me as Anthrew. Mima was like, oh my god,

809
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 1: I assumed that was like I remember saying this to you.

810
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 1: I was like, I assumed that was like you calling

811
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 1: me the jolly green giant and you're like, no, no,

812
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 1: that's not the same thing at all. And you explained

813
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 1: to me, of course I had no idea. Especially I'm

814
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 1: not trying to you never use the time as an excuse,

815
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:46,720
Speaker 1: but the mid nineties, I had no idea the cultural

816
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 1: significance of the Anthrew being so surrounded by mostly, if

817
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 1: not all, white people. All I've never heard that. I

818
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 1: had no idea. So I was and I've used this

819
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 1: word about other things, but mortified because the last thing

820
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 1: you want to think is you're part of the problem,

821
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 1: Like your ignorance is part of the problem. I had

822
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:11,400
Speaker 1: no idea. I was like in my head, I was going,

823
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I made fun of her because of her hat.

824
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 1: That's all I was trying to do. Like what what

825
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 1: just happened? And I remember you very patiently explaining to

826
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,800
Speaker 1: me why I was an idiot, and we hugged and

827
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 1: walked away. But I was shaken. I felt really small, likeluse,

828
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 1: could you not think about it? You're on the white

829
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:37,439
Speaker 1: set with all the white people and oh, of course yeah,

830
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:39,959
Speaker 1: and I was playing I was the nineteen or whatever.

831
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 1: I'm playing the joke like and and so you walked away,

832
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 1: and I remember like literally shaking, and then Rider and

833
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 1: I started talking, and it's a conversation that he and

834
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 1: I have had a hundred and fifty times since because

835
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 1: it literally changed my life. Where that moment was the

836
00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 1: moment where I was like, you can't just say stuff.

837
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 1: You can't just throw things out there because you think

838
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:07,479
Speaker 1: it's funny. But ah and walk away. You're you're hurting.

839
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:09,799
Speaker 1: You could be hurting people. You could legitimately be hurting

840
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:12,360
Speaker 1: people because you think it's funny. So what I actually

841
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:15,359
Speaker 1: did is I asked people I knew. I just kept

842
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 1: telling friends and family the story and and they were like,

843
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:21,439
Speaker 1: now it doesn't sound RACI, it just sounds really dumb.

844
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 1: Then literally, that was the feedback that I kept getting.

845
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 1: I didn't know. Yah, this is the thing. Will you

846
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 1: become part of the issue nowadays when you have to

847
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:38,959
Speaker 1: move in spaces with people of color and you don't

848
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 1: really have to, you don't have to buy right, but

849
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 1: it would behieve you by right to learn about them

850
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 1: as much as you can. You know, you didn't ask

851
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 1: to back then, nor were you told to, nor were

852
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:52,319
Speaker 1: you didn't affect your check nothing, you know what I'm saying.

853
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 1: The real tragedy in in all of it is the

854
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:57,360
Speaker 1: years that went by that we First of all, we

855
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:00,160
Speaker 1: didn't talk about it because because I really kept did

856
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:03,359
Speaker 1: you know, because I think that also because like when

857
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:06,359
Speaker 1: you said, how was it being in such a white show,

858
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:08,760
Speaker 1: and I said, it was a lot of mouth shutting,

859
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 1: So you gotta think. I think by time that happened,

860
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:14,840
Speaker 1: maybe we were second season or end of the first season,

861
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 1: so I really call a lot it happened, you know,

862
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 1: little things right right. It may have been the end

863
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:26,840
Speaker 1: of the sixth season. Yeah, yeah, I don't know. It

864
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 1: flusters me to this day that I that I said

865
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:32,360
Speaker 1: something like that to you out of such ignorance, and

866
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 1: I did apologize at the time, and then I apologized

867
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 1: in the letter that I wrote you because I was like,

868
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 1: oh my god, I can't believe that that this is

869
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 1: still going on because I thought we were we were

870
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 1: so cool. And then it's like, well, no, of course

871
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:46,359
Speaker 1: it's still gonna matter. I mean, it's it's I said

872
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:51,760
Speaker 1: something stupid and hollywand Hollywood doesn't do well for trust issues,

873
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 1: you know. And then of course the press. Yeah, the

874
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 1: press takes it and does what they want to do.

875
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 1: That's something I just want to do say. I did

876
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 1: not and this is just for me to say in general.

877
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:03,839
Speaker 1: When I was you know, Matt Matt saying on Twitter, hand,

878
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 1: I didn't like this, and I didn't like this, and

879
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 1: you know, for me, it really was a matter of

880
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:12,400
Speaker 1: I was frustrated. I felt that on my respect level

881
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 1: was not um appreciated, not that, and and and people

882
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 1: come in and make comments, Oh you you're you think

883
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 1: I don't know people people diminished what I think? What

884
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 1: was my bar of of respect? Okay? And I do

885
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 1: want to I do want to say this, Okay, and this,

886
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 1: And I don't want to come off arrogant saying this

887
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:35,400
Speaker 1: or anything. It's just just about how I view my

888
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 1: placement in the show. Okay. You guys had a phenomenal

889
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 1: show from day one, cast chemistry, you had your first season,

890
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:46,839
Speaker 1: you worked. I mean, this show is such a great,

891
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 1: amazing team effort. You know. Um, when I came on

892
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 1: the show, I did my first season. Um, halfway through

893
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 1: the first season, are are maybe the second season. I'm

894
00:47:57,520 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 1: not sure actually, but I asked Michael Jacobs, I said,

895
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 1: can I the show which featured me, um and something

896
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 1: about my character. I actually asked for those two shows

897
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 1: that were Angela's Men and Angela's Ashes. So um, when

898
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 1: the first show was shot, okay, and when the show

899
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:20,840
Speaker 1: when we were um doing every week, we had Nielsen's ratings.

900
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:25,400
Speaker 1: They came out every Wednesday. Okay. So the week before

901
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 1: that show aired, Angela's Men, Boy Meat's World was number

902
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 1: fifty two okay in the ratings. I'll never forget this.

903
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 1: When they aired Angela's Men, a great team effort. You

904
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:42,359
Speaker 1: You were amazing will in that effort. Um. I think

905
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 1: the fact that they had aired a show that was

906
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 1: me with of me that brought in a whole new audience. Okay.

907
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:53,320
Speaker 1: The ratings jumped from seventeen on that show, from fifty

908
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:56,400
Speaker 1: two to seventeen. Am I saying that's all me and

909
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:58,799
Speaker 1: the No, it's not like that. But at the time

910
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 1: I knew at that met that show had everything to

911
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 1: do not only with the up jump of ratings, but

912
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:08,400
Speaker 1: also with the show being we were picked up two

913
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 1: weeks after that ware. Everyone thought we were going to

914
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 1: be canceled. About two weeks after that, we were canceled.

915
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 1: So lie thing is is everybody did their part, but

916
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:18,279
Speaker 1: you can't deny that there was an audience that I

917
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:22,839
Speaker 1: brought in that helped Jump to To give it another way,

918
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:26,839
Speaker 1: usually when when cast members are added, it's called jump

919
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 1: the shark. Then there's the show's going down. You know,

920
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:32,919
Speaker 1: I'm talk about will when you don't start, you know, yeah,

921
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:39,840
Speaker 1: and that's Boy Meets World always. Um, it was was

922
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:43,279
Speaker 1: not inclusive to its own peril. And like I mean,

923
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:46,040
Speaker 1: we were we were a hit show obviously in certain regards,

924
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 1: but we also we followed family Matters and hanging Mr

925
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 1: Cooper was after we were in a huge like a

926
00:49:55,360 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 1: predominantly black block, betting that that audience in any way

927
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:05,239
Speaker 1: and Eily Matters had better ratings than it was, so stupid,

928
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 1: you know, look in retrospect, and it was you know,

929
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 1: I don't think it was. I don't think it was

930
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:15,799
Speaker 1: a consciously racist effort. But obviously there was an unconscious

931
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 1: bias on our show, you know, where we were completely like, well,

932
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:21,680
Speaker 1: let's just right show, you know, in the same way

933
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 1: that our show didn't didn't have like great female characters.

934
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:27,279
Speaker 1: For so long or didn't have you know, like we

935
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 1: talked about Betsy Randall not having like much of a

936
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 1: part because you know, so I mean, I you know,

937
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 1: we were limited by our worldview and so much so

938
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 1: like and I think, yeah, by the time they finally

939
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 1: brought you onto the show train and that was like

940
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:46,440
Speaker 1: three years too late, you know, five years Alex Dessert,

941
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 1: you know, Alex Desert Alex, and they did nothing with him,

942
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:52,840
Speaker 1: Like it was the most like, uh, you know, you

943
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 1: talk about a token race racial character, like and so creative,

944
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:06,320
Speaker 1: least brilliant, and yeah, when you go and then he

945
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:08,360
Speaker 1: went on to Becker and he and he crushed it

946
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:11,360
Speaker 1: on Becker for years and years and years. Um no,

947
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:13,920
Speaker 1: But just to close out our conversation, Tree, now you

948
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 1: know I love you, I I really do. You absolutely

949
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 1: changed my life for the better. You've really made me

950
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 1: a better person. And yeah, I just want I want

951
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 1: to say one thing also in closing, and that I

952
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 1: never said in the press that I had raised They

953
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:31,239
Speaker 1: always say these extreme racist moments. It was one moment

954
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 1: where you said the syrup thing. I got mad. But

955
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 1: I don't count that as my entire experience on this show.

956
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying this to give you a break,

957
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 1: because I'm kind of damn if I do or damn divide.

958
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 1: I love you, you know. I'm not trying to be

959
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:46,719
Speaker 1: like but it's more like that's not my entire experience

960
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:49,279
Speaker 1: on the show. You guys are not. It's not a

961
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 1: racial issue. It's more of a trust friendship at the

962
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 1: time where we were and and and people and you

963
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 1: guys kind of being snot kids and ship. It's pure

964
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 1: ignorance it was that I was back then, you know.

965
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:09,840
Speaker 1: I would just also like to say two in closing

966
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 1: for this conversation because I know it is so important

967
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:15,640
Speaker 1: to both of you that you you guys are both

968
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:20,399
Speaker 1: over this conversation because everyone else wants to everyone wants

969
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 1: to keep about everybody else to be okay. I want

970
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 1: to jump back into okay. The conversation this is we

971
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:39,759
Speaker 1: keep talking about race, but it's so important in in

972
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:42,880
Speaker 1: in context of the show. I want to talk about

973
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 1: how you and writer, what the conversations were between the

974
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:49,400
Speaker 1: two of you, and whether or not those conversations included

975
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 1: the writers or whether the writers talked about it with

976
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 1: you guys, whether or not to acknowledge the fact that

977
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:57,800
Speaker 1: Angela and Sean were in an interracial relationship. Okay, this

978
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 1: is because my memory is not the great atis on this,

979
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:02,759
Speaker 1: but what I did parts that do come to me

980
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:06,320
Speaker 1: is I do remember maybe saying to Michael something like,

981
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 1: don't you think we should talk about this? But his

982
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:10,319
Speaker 1: stance was like, we're not gonna talk about it. We're

983
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:12,800
Speaker 1: not gonna talk about We're not gonna He was solid

984
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 1: on that. UM. I was very confused at the time

985
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:21,360
Speaker 1: about whether to talk about it or not. I had to.

986
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:26,799
Speaker 1: I had two realms of thinking, my job and mankind.

987
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:32,320
Speaker 1: You know, so not too much, not too much of

988
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 1: a weight on your shoulder. I UM. At the time,

989
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest, I kind of went with my job.

990
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:42,920
Speaker 1: So I what I what had happened was is on

991
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:46,080
Speaker 1: my end, Michael set me up and my husband at

992
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 1: the time with a publicist. You know, he had set

993
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 1: me up with the publicist. But they got together with

994
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:53,799
Speaker 1: my publicist, Dick Gutman at the time, and they went

995
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 1: to the Daily News and they had me write this

996
00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:59,360
Speaker 1: whole article about why it's so great that we don't

997
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:02,840
Speaker 1: mention um any color at all. It was in the

998
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:04,440
Speaker 1: New York Times. You can look it up and how

999
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 1: it's creating its color by well. The truth is I

1000
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 1: didn't really write that article, and my husband and the

1001
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 1: publicist wrote it, and I just wanted to get upset.

1002
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:15,480
Speaker 1: I had to see the baby, and when I read it,

1003
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:17,879
Speaker 1: I kind of felt like, you know, I just can't

1004
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 1: take this on right now. I didn't want to take

1005
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:23,399
Speaker 1: it on, and it wasn't really totally my organic view,

1006
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 1: I do think, and funny enough, this is what why

1007
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:30,680
Speaker 1: you learned to You just say what you need to say.

1008
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:34,520
Speaker 1: Funny enough of rebuttal was written to The Daily News

1009
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:38,840
Speaker 1: by Lorraine Tousant, who said, no, I do not a

1010
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:43,360
Speaker 1: very very famous and very distinguished actress, Lorenejo songs and um,

1011
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:46,920
Speaker 1: she said, no, you must acknowledge that these are two

1012
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:50,399
Speaker 1: two different races getting together. It's very serious. It's it's

1013
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:52,920
Speaker 1: for all of her very good reasons. And I read

1014
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 1: what she said, I actually kind of agreed with her.

1015
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 1: But I was twenty six or seven at the time. Um,

1016
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:01,040
Speaker 1: I just had so much of my shoulders. I was like,

1017
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 1: just let them run with it, and it seemed to

1018
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 1: be working. And then then there another end of that

1019
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 1: I want to say real quickly, is I get tired.

1020
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:11,080
Speaker 1: Um and most every black actor will tell you this,

1021
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:15,200
Speaker 1: from Sydney Potier um on to to to all of us.

1022
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:18,440
Speaker 1: Sometimes we just don't want the weight of having to

1023
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:22,440
Speaker 1: be always take on the black thing with I'm an actor.

1024
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:24,520
Speaker 1: I'm an actor. I was like, well, I felt kind

1025
00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:26,360
Speaker 1: of free for a minute, like I don't have to

1026
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:29,759
Speaker 1: be just carry the weight of on the black girl

1027
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:32,799
Speaker 1: on the show, you know, as Yeah, I'm just I'm

1028
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:37,279
Speaker 1: moving and grooving like everybody else on normal. So that

1029
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:41,200
Speaker 1: help good, that aspect of it. But in reality, no,

1030
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 1: that's not if you're really trying to relate to people,

1031
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 1: and I am trying to help people. People needed to

1032
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 1: talk about it, you know. So what hider with you? Writer?

1033
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:54,560
Speaker 1: Did you say something to Michael or something like? I mean,

1034
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:57,440
Speaker 1: I just remember I remember being very conflicted about it.

1035
00:55:57,520 --> 00:56:02,720
Speaker 1: I remember I remember you and me personally being conflicted

1036
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 1: about it, and I remember having conversations constantly about like

1037
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 1: why don't we just references because I think I think

1038
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 1: personally you you were very um proud of and expressive

1039
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:19,719
Speaker 1: of your black identity. Uh and and that was like

1040
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:23,759
Speaker 1: a part of you. I remember you always coming conversations

1041
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:26,279
Speaker 1: with me about your life and how you grew up.

1042
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:30,160
Speaker 1: And for me, just like it was always like, uh,

1043
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:32,759
Speaker 1: this is different, you know, this is this is this

1044
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:34,960
Speaker 1: person had a different experience than me, and I had

1045
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:36,400
Speaker 1: a different you know, even though we had the hippie

1046
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:39,239
Speaker 1: school thing apparently in the background for the most part,

1047
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:43,960
Speaker 1: I remember loving the difference and and recognized it, Oh

1048
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 1: treats experience not only in real life, but on this

1049
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:51,080
Speaker 1: set right now is very different, and I loved it.

1050
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:53,680
Speaker 1: I loved being included in that. Like you and I

1051
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:57,920
Speaker 1: bonded very quickly. And I just remember, like by by

1052
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:00,440
Speaker 1: like eighteen and nineteen, being like, ohren is like a

1053
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:03,800
Speaker 1: good friend and this is a real like I'm learning

1054
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:06,400
Speaker 1: a lot, and this is an exposure to something that like.

1055
00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:08,840
Speaker 1: And I remember you and I having conversations where you

1056
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:10,880
Speaker 1: would sort of be like, can you believe that this

1057
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:13,320
Speaker 1: happening in our set? Did you see that? And I

1058
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:16,160
Speaker 1: was made aware of things that I wouldn't have been otherwise,

1059
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? And so I think

1060
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 1: for me, I felt I but at the charitable reading

1061
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:25,240
Speaker 1: about Boy Meets World at the time is that we

1062
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 1: were in the nineties MULTICULTI positive moment where uh it

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00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:34,040
Speaker 1: was It was this idealism of color blindness, right, so

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00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:36,760
Speaker 1: we're going to we're not going to reference race on

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00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:40,600
Speaker 1: the show because that's the ideal, is that everybody's color

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00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:43,120
Speaker 1: blind and we don't see differences, and that's gonna like

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00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:46,360
Speaker 1: on a kids show, being a model for people. And

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00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 1: I think there's maybe some truth that I do think

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00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:50,720
Speaker 1: that there's there are people that have have said to

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00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:54,040
Speaker 1: me that that was good, um, and I think that's like,

1071
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 1: but I also think that was an easy choice. I

1072
00:57:57,120 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 1: think it's easy and and and it also can read

1073
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:03,840
Speaker 1: to black people as we don't like when people say

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00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:06,640
Speaker 1: I don't see color, I don't see color. And when

1075
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 1: I talked to cour see color. You know what I'm saying,

1076
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:12,320
Speaker 1: it's there, I see your color. We just can we

1077
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:14,800
Speaker 1: just respect it. We can even laugh and make jokes,

1078
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:18,240
Speaker 1: but we just don't disrespect or do mean and we

1079
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 1: definitely don't replay, you know, the negative aspects of our

1080
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:25,640
Speaker 1: of our color differences. Really, it was an offshoot, though,

1081
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 1: of what the success of the Cosby Show, and you know,

1082
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:30,840
Speaker 1: Cosby's whole thing was, we're not going to reference race.

1083
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:35,840
Speaker 1: The reality there, though, is you have an entirely all

1084
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 1: black cast you probably have black writing staff, you know,

1085
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:42,439
Speaker 1: so like for us to compare ourselves to that sort

1086
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 1: of post racial ideal was and always was, and in

1087
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:49,240
Speaker 1: retrospect like it was an easy out. It was an

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00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:50,919
Speaker 1: easy out for our writing staff, It was an easy

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00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 1: out for our white actors. It was an easy out

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00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:55,600
Speaker 1: for all of us. And I mean, you know, I

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00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:58,120
Speaker 1: didn't know that about the article. I remember you writing

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00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:00,960
Speaker 1: the article, or I remember reading your article and just

1093
00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:03,760
Speaker 1: being proud that it was supportive of of us and

1094
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:11,600
Speaker 1: sort of getting acknowledgment of a job, okay, article being honest,

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00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:16,640
Speaker 1: you know. So if I had to do it over

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00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:20,360
Speaker 1: and I could take my real, real stance of hindsight

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00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:23,440
Speaker 1: and everything, I would have definitely said I would have

1098
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:26,640
Speaker 1: wrote an opposite article, and I would have pushed more

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00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:30,040
Speaker 1: for us to have at least more jokes about the

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00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:32,320
Speaker 1: differences or and it would have been cool to have

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00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:34,320
Speaker 1: an episode about you know, maybe you come to my

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00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:37,240
Speaker 1: house and the food is different, or this is different exactly,

1103
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:42,680
Speaker 1: and was just treated as if she were she was

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00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:46,680
Speaker 1: in white face. Can I tell you something I always

1105
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:49,680
Speaker 1: on the show. You know, this is my normal speaking voice, okay,

1106
00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:53,080
Speaker 1: but sometimes from coming from black sitcoms. I always had

1107
00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:55,320
Speaker 1: to have like a black meter so so so I

1108
00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:58,360
Speaker 1: always when my black meter was probably a down to

1109
00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:01,120
Speaker 1: about it too, you know. And I remember one time

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01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:04,760
Speaker 1: when I was doing a Angela's Ashes episode sometow my

1111
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:07,400
Speaker 1: my black meter had slipped up and I was appy

1112
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:10,320
Speaker 1: about about a nine right. Michael comes over to me

1113
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:12,640
Speaker 1: and his note was, hey, TRAINA just turned down the

1114
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:15,720
Speaker 1: Delma Hopkins about eight notches. And I know exactly what

1115
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:20,840
Speaker 1: you were talking about. And you know, there's just so

1116
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:22,960
Speaker 1: many things you guys are so lucky you didn't have

1117
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:27,200
Speaker 1: to think about. So when I could, I didn't. Sometimes

1118
01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:28,680
Speaker 1: it was too much and I just threw it. I

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01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:31,320
Speaker 1: threw it away at the time, and I'm glad. I

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Speaker 1: think I think the majority of people in comments on

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01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:37,560
Speaker 1: social media is say that they're cool with it not

1122
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:42,640
Speaker 1: being mentioned. But I do say those are predominantly white

1123
01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:47,200
Speaker 1: people into racial couples wanted to be talked. I wish

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01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:48,600
Speaker 1: you had said a little bit more. I wish you

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01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:49,640
Speaker 1: had said it. And then there are a lot of

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01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:52,520
Speaker 1: black people who kind of like it, like not mentioned,

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01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:57,520
Speaker 1: you know, to they're as it was. So for a

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01:00:57,600 --> 01:00:59,760
Speaker 1: certain subset of people, it's always gonna be like, wouldn't

1129
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:02,560
Speaker 1: it be nice if if two people could just love

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01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:05,320
Speaker 1: each other, you know, regardless of race and not have

1131
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:09,360
Speaker 1: to acknowledge it. I think the reality is it's unavoidable,

1132
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:12,600
Speaker 1: and it's kind of but you know, they're still they're

1133
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:14,480
Speaker 1: still doing that today though. I mean ships Creak is

1134
01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:17,040
Speaker 1: like that where they kind of they he talks about

1135
01:01:17,080 --> 01:01:19,080
Speaker 1: that were invented world where you know the fact that

1136
01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:22,360
Speaker 1: he's bisexual or there's they're the kind of being gay

1137
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:24,760
Speaker 1: is totally accepted to the point where it's never mentioned.

1138
01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:26,240
Speaker 1: He's like, that's how I wanted to do it, because

1139
01:01:26,280 --> 01:01:27,880
Speaker 1: that's what the town I wanted to live in, where

1140
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:30,320
Speaker 1: it's like it just doesn't matter, you know. Can I

1141
01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:33,840
Speaker 1: tell you every interracial couple I see on TV after us,

1142
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:37,800
Speaker 1: I always say they copied us. They copied us everyone

1143
01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:42,920
Speaker 1: they were or not the first for teens, I think

1144
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:47,600
Speaker 1: so in General Hospital that looks they use my name

1145
01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:50,080
Speaker 1: for the character Trina, and it would just like us.

1146
01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:53,640
Speaker 1: And I know, you know, you talked about you talked

1147
01:01:53,640 --> 01:01:56,240
Speaker 1: about on the Internet and and feeling like there are

1148
01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:59,080
Speaker 1: a lot of people who disrespect you and lower the

1149
01:01:59,160 --> 01:02:02,320
Speaker 1: bar for know, first of all, that's the Internet is

1150
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:05,240
Speaker 1: just the worst, sometimes the worst place ever. But when

1151
01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:09,600
Speaker 1: I tell you the amount of comments and emails we

1152
01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:14,880
Speaker 1: get about how important you are to our show, to them,

1153
01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:19,800
Speaker 1: how important your relationship with Sean is, how much me

1154
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:24,000
Speaker 1: how much Like I knew it was an important aspect

1155
01:02:24,040 --> 01:02:26,120
Speaker 1: of our show, but I am not going to lie

1156
01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:30,040
Speaker 1: that it. It is shocking the amount of people who

1157
01:02:30,080 --> 01:02:34,200
Speaker 1: reach out and say, Trina, Trina, Trina, Trina, Trina, I

1158
01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:39,920
Speaker 1: gotta I gotta show you something. Okay, you are so beloved. Okay,

1159
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:42,840
Speaker 1: this is something a fan made me. I've kept it

1160
01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:49,960
Speaker 1: over here, scrap book. It's a full scrap of Oh

1161
01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:55,440
Speaker 1: my gosh, it's just like a lot. Okay, this is

1162
01:02:55,480 --> 01:03:01,200
Speaker 1: how it Because I have an age in a single picture,

1163
01:03:01,240 --> 01:03:06,800
Speaker 1: You have an age that possible. That is amazing. I mean,

1164
01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:11,720
Speaker 1: it's just it's it's amazing. I mean, we're actually relevant

1165
01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:15,400
Speaker 1: now because because of the cliffhangers, you know, the whole

1166
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:18,680
Speaker 1: thing Sean and Angela, though, is funny because people keep

1167
01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:20,479
Speaker 1: saying I wish they had ended up together. They should

1168
01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:23,000
Speaker 1: have been endgame. I am so glad they weren't end

1169
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:28,400
Speaker 1: game because now everybody talks about it. For twenty years nice. Nice,

1170
01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:39,240
Speaker 1: I actually do want to ask you about that you

1171
01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:41,840
Speaker 1: mentioned asking for the episodes that the two back to

1172
01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:46,680
Speaker 1: back episodes, Angela's Men and Angela's Ashes. We have heard

1173
01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:49,640
Speaker 1: so many times how upset people are that you were

1174
01:03:49,720 --> 01:03:55,280
Speaker 1: not in our series finale. Okay, I got really frankly

1175
01:03:55,320 --> 01:03:59,200
Speaker 1: about that. Yes, because we don't we don't ground we

1176
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:02,040
Speaker 1: have not covered okay, because we don't get that all right.

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01:04:03,080 --> 01:04:07,400
Speaker 1: I was told in a kind of a weird, offhanded

1178
01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:10,560
Speaker 1: way by a very important person that you guys all

1179
01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:14,560
Speaker 1: went to Michael Jacobs and you said, we don't want

1180
01:04:14,600 --> 01:04:19,480
Speaker 1: her in the last episode. What she's she's somehow taking

1181
01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:21,800
Speaker 1: our light was the gist of it, and we don't

1182
01:04:21,840 --> 01:04:26,840
Speaker 1: want her in the last episode. Wow. Oh yeah, Oh

1183
01:04:26,920 --> 01:04:32,000
Speaker 1: my god. So I was told that after I shot

1184
01:04:32,680 --> 01:04:37,640
Speaker 1: what was the what was the show before the last episode?

1185
01:04:38,200 --> 01:04:40,200
Speaker 1: The show before the last episode was called I think

1186
01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:43,840
Speaker 1: it was Angela's Ashes. Yeah, when I left, Okay, So

1187
01:04:45,240 --> 01:04:47,720
Speaker 1: I when Michael announced to me, oh, we're gonna do

1188
01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:50,240
Speaker 1: another show on Angela, I was just so happy. I

1189
01:04:50,320 --> 01:04:54,080
Speaker 1: was and I'm not knowing this was gonna be the

1190
01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:59,120
Speaker 1: show before the last show. And I remember after we

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01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:02,480
Speaker 1: take the show, I had said to a person, Um,

1192
01:05:02,800 --> 01:05:04,360
Speaker 1: you know, why why are you in the last show?

1193
01:05:04,360 --> 01:05:05,880
Speaker 1: Because I know the last show is gonna be the

1194
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:07,960
Speaker 1: one with all the ratings and all the crying and

1195
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:11,040
Speaker 1: all the stuff. I was under the impression y'all got

1196
01:05:11,120 --> 01:05:13,200
Speaker 1: together and did not want me in the last show

1197
01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:16,320
Speaker 1: for some reason. I was gonna take some shine or

1198
01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:19,120
Speaker 1: something like to that effect. That's what I say. There

1199
01:05:19,240 --> 01:05:22,640
Speaker 1: was an element of competitivism there that really probably didn't

1200
01:05:22,680 --> 01:05:25,280
Speaker 1: need to be there. That was really hurtful for Tea

1201
01:05:26,080 --> 01:05:28,960
Speaker 1: for a long time. And to make it worse, you know,

1202
01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:33,680
Speaker 1: people of color um tend to look into things a

1203
01:05:33,720 --> 01:05:36,600
Speaker 1: little hard or sometimes so I had cousins calling me saying,

1204
01:05:36,840 --> 01:05:39,040
Speaker 1: how come you one in the last episode? So they

1205
01:05:39,160 --> 01:05:41,320
Speaker 1: just gave you that whole show so that you would

1206
01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:42,960
Speaker 1: be distracted. It wouldn't be in the show with the

1207
01:05:43,040 --> 01:05:45,800
Speaker 1: real ratings and the real thing. Several of my cousins,

1208
01:05:45,880 --> 01:05:47,680
Speaker 1: my family members are telling me this, and I'm thinking,

1209
01:05:47,760 --> 01:05:50,880
Speaker 1: you know what, this is strange. And then I was

1210
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:54,480
Speaker 1: hit with that particular news about it, that it was

1211
01:05:54,560 --> 01:05:59,000
Speaker 1: some kind of kotata, you know, And then I liked, um,

1212
01:05:59,400 --> 01:06:01,200
Speaker 1: this is a true and then I when I watched

1213
01:06:01,240 --> 01:06:04,760
Speaker 1: that Lefto, which I've never really fully watched because I've

1214
01:06:04,800 --> 01:06:07,800
Speaker 1: always felt funny about it and I always looked at like, well,

1215
01:06:07,840 --> 01:06:09,800
Speaker 1: why is Maitland in it? That's what I was going

1216
01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:12,040
Speaker 1: to say. I don't remember much of the episode except

1217
01:06:12,120 --> 01:06:16,520
Speaker 1: for the class and I was about to ask That's

1218
01:06:16,560 --> 01:06:19,280
Speaker 1: what I was at least not in the last scene,

1219
01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:23,880
Speaker 1: obviously the last last they're in the last episode, why so, like,

1220
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:27,320
Speaker 1: why the hell would we go? Whoever you're talking about?

1221
01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:32,480
Speaker 1: Not even in school with you guys? Ever? Except character?

1222
01:06:32,920 --> 01:06:35,480
Speaker 1: Was Math's character moving to New York with us at

1223
01:06:35,480 --> 01:06:40,600
Speaker 1: the end of Boy? I don't know because what I remember.

1224
01:06:40,720 --> 01:06:44,480
Speaker 1: What I remember was that there were people not like

1225
01:06:44,680 --> 01:06:46,640
Speaker 1: I did not want to do this, but I remember

1226
01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:50,440
Speaker 1: that there was a conversation about the show continuing, possibly

1227
01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:53,720
Speaker 1: being picked up, or a new show with those of

1228
01:06:53,800 --> 01:06:56,200
Speaker 1: us who moved to New York going on and creating

1229
01:06:56,240 --> 01:06:59,640
Speaker 1: like a twenty something like a spinoff that was years

1230
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:02,680
Speaker 1: later or no, years later, but they I remember there

1231
01:07:02,720 --> 01:07:06,439
Speaker 1: was conversation on set that week, people being like, they're

1232
01:07:06,480 --> 01:07:09,600
Speaker 1: setting up the potential for a new show with the

1233
01:07:09,880 --> 01:07:14,360
Speaker 1: you know, which still excluded Trina you know. So I'm

1234
01:07:14,360 --> 01:07:16,600
Speaker 1: not saying anything better. But what I'm saying that like,

1235
01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:19,240
Speaker 1: and all I did, I wanted off of the show

1236
01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:21,240
Speaker 1: at that point. I mean, I was very sad with

1237
01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:23,120
Speaker 1: boy Needs. The world was ending, but I was I

1238
01:07:23,200 --> 01:07:25,240
Speaker 1: was already going to Columbia. I was already ready to

1239
01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:28,200
Speaker 1: like a rolling and like moved to New York. So

1240
01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:29,920
Speaker 1: like I did not want to do that. But I

1241
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:33,680
Speaker 1: remember people talking like, oh, they're potentially ABC is potentially

1242
01:07:33,720 --> 01:07:35,880
Speaker 1: setting up a spinoff show with you guys going on

1243
01:07:35,960 --> 01:07:40,840
Speaker 1: to New York. But and I honestly, can we say,

1244
01:07:40,960 --> 01:07:43,640
Speaker 1: for the for the record, can we say, for the record, Yeah,

1245
01:07:43,760 --> 01:07:47,440
Speaker 1: we say, for the record, Trina, that never happened, not

1246
01:07:47,560 --> 01:07:54,920
Speaker 1: with the happened every trading on the lives of my children.

1247
01:07:55,160 --> 01:07:58,240
Speaker 1: I swear on my marriage and my wife that never

1248
01:07:58,920 --> 01:08:07,160
Speaker 1: ever leave you. Oh god, oh god, in my head

1249
01:08:07,240 --> 01:08:12,000
Speaker 1: for so long. No, I've never watched that show. I've

1250
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:15,000
Speaker 1: always felt like, and I'm sorry, I'm sorry you say

1251
01:08:15,080 --> 01:08:19,320
Speaker 1: that's competitiveness. That's not competitiveness to me, that's like sociopathy. Oh,

1252
01:08:19,640 --> 01:08:24,679
Speaker 1: this pisces me off. I'm sorry, that's like not real,

1253
01:08:25,760 --> 01:08:28,559
Speaker 1: this pisses me off. This is this is next level

1254
01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:33,240
Speaker 1: crazy kind of a long time. See I what do

1255
01:08:33,320 --> 01:08:35,280
Speaker 1: you want him? An actress? Like we think we think,

1256
01:08:35,640 --> 01:08:38,519
Speaker 1: you know, like when something happens right and you wish

1257
01:08:38,560 --> 01:08:41,320
Speaker 1: you could have said something in somebody some way, but

1258
01:08:41,439 --> 01:08:43,040
Speaker 1: so you go over it in your mind you're like,

1259
01:08:43,040 --> 01:08:45,120
Speaker 1: I wish I hadn't said that, and I can told

1260
01:08:45,200 --> 01:08:48,080
Speaker 1: him this this way. You know what I'm saying. Boyman's

1261
01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:50,519
Speaker 1: world is such a big thing. It's such a big thing.

1262
01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:52,600
Speaker 1: It's been such a big thing. I haven't had a

1263
01:08:52,720 --> 01:08:54,960
Speaker 1: decince boy me. It's world where there's not one day

1264
01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:59,760
Speaker 1: I don't hear the word. So give him. Give me

1265
01:08:59,840 --> 01:09:02,080
Speaker 1: that credit that it's in my head all the time,

1266
01:09:02,320 --> 01:09:05,160
Speaker 1: everywhere I go, and every now and then, maybe ten

1267
01:09:05,280 --> 01:09:06,720
Speaker 1: years ago, i'd be like, I wish I had a

1268
01:09:06,800 --> 01:09:12,040
Speaker 1: tall tom I did do that. It was really messed up,

1269
01:09:12,200 --> 01:09:15,080
Speaker 1: And it's really messed up when you're doing that often

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Speaker 1: that's not even like for real. Yeah, And one of

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Speaker 1: one of the greatest things that's come out of all

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Speaker 1: of this, and us doing conventions together and us talking

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Speaker 1: and all of this is that all those years that

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Speaker 1: went by when boy Meats World ended, I didn't have

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Speaker 1: Traina's phone number. Again, we were in very different places

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Speaker 1: in our life we were I think the worst thing

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Speaker 1: you could say about our relationship is that we were

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01:09:35,080 --> 01:09:39,960
Speaker 1: um friendly coworkers more than friends off off stage. And

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Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying, you know, That's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: We we What would we have done after work? Like

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Speaker 1: you said, you had to go home to a family.

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Speaker 1: I was driving Laurel Canyon for funzies like we had um.

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Speaker 1: But the thing that that I makes me happiest now

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Speaker 1: is that, and that is a regret of mine, is

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Speaker 1: the conversations that we had, or like you're saying, where

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Speaker 1: things build up over time, where someone told you something

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Speaker 1: that was very untrue and hurt you. And when people

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Speaker 1: know that, they can get you to feel a certain

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Speaker 1: way by playing to the competitiveness and knowing, oh, Danielle

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Speaker 1: is so checked out. She's not, she's not. They're not

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Speaker 1: going to have that conversation with each other. So I

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01:10:25,360 --> 01:10:28,000
Speaker 1: can say this and they're never gonna know that I

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01:10:28,120 --> 01:10:30,800
Speaker 1: said this to her. And because the silence, once it

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01:10:30,880 --> 01:10:34,320
Speaker 1: hits your brain and then you're silent, the silence grows

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Speaker 1: and then the whole imagery of it becomes bigger than

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Speaker 1: exactly than what it really is. I would also like

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Speaker 1: to point out that that he did not do this,

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Speaker 1: at least in my opinion, in my experience, he didn't

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Speaker 1: do this to the guys. I mean, yes, it's true

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Speaker 1: that we weren't played against each other, but I won't

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Speaker 1: go so far as to say we weren't manipulated. Oh no,

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Speaker 1: that's different. Manipulated. All weren't played. It wasn't whispering one

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Speaker 1: year and then whispering another ear about something else. And

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Speaker 1: I think it goes back to Trina's point from before,

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Speaker 1: where it's everybody stay in your own lane. Nobody's going

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Speaker 1: to talk about anything. Let's stay as divided as we

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Speaker 1: possibly can. Yeah, you're just gonna stay as as in

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Speaker 1: your and nobody's going to talk about anything. And so

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Speaker 1: not only does nothing get done, but as time passes,

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Speaker 1: it festers. Yeah. You, by the way, by the time

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Speaker 1: you came to Girl Meets World, you had had fourteen

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Speaker 1: or fifteen years of believing we got together to keep

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Speaker 1: you from being in the seld. And then the interaction

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Speaker 1: you have with me is very cold. How could you

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Speaker 1: not walk away thinking she hates me? She had after me.

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Speaker 1: We have to we're always in competition. We will always

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Speaker 1: be in competition. And then when it when we finally

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Speaker 1: talked and said, okay, let's just lay it all out.

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Speaker 1: Here's what I heard, here's what I heard, here's what

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Speaker 1: I heard. And then all that stuff came up and

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Speaker 1: we had all our big therapy moments, and then we

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Speaker 1: looked at each other and we said, what a shame

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Speaker 1: we weren't able to just talk about this from the

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Speaker 1: beginning because we have wasted years. Yes, we could have

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Speaker 1: helped each other. We could have been there for you

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Speaker 1: to strategize. We could have got over on everybody. We

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Speaker 1: could have been there for each other the way we've

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Speaker 1: been there for each other through multiple hardships over the

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Speaker 1: last several years. So that, for me is the biggest

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Speaker 1: lesson and the and um and the importance of talking

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Speaker 1: and and being willing to dig deep for the same purpose,

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Speaker 1: which is growing and becoming better people and doing better

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Speaker 1: maybe a better person. You may be a better person

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Speaker 1: train all the way through trusting you, guys. I like

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Speaker 1: trusting you. It feels really good. I'm so sorry that

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Speaker 1: it's Hollwood. Well. We are so grateful that you came

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Speaker 1: to have this conversation with us today. We love you.

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Speaker 1: So much. We're going to be seeing you a bunch

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Speaker 1: over the last several months. We're gonna we're not going

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Speaker 1: to watch the episode. I was already and everything. I

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01:12:56,920 --> 01:13:02,280
Speaker 1: had all my nose. But that's okay, we are. So

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Speaker 1: I'm wrapping this episode up. I'm gonna wrap this one up.

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01:13:06,200 --> 01:13:08,400
Speaker 1: We'll say goodbye to you and then we'll keep you here.

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01:13:08,560 --> 01:13:10,479
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna wrap this one up. So all right,

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01:13:10,920 --> 01:13:13,360
Speaker 1: thank you, We thank you so much for being here.

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Speaker 1: What a wonderful conversation. Was going to stick with us

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Speaker 1: to do the recap of our next episode, which is

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Speaker 1: episode eleven, The Father Son Game, which originally aired on

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Speaker 1: December sevent so stick around for that. But um, Trina,

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Speaker 1: we can't thank you enough for being here with us.

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Speaker 1: And we love you. We love you, Trina, Thank you,

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Speaker 1: we love you all. Pod dismissed Pod Meets World as

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Speaker 1: an I Heart podcast produced and hosted by Daniel Fisher,

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Speaker 1: Wilfredell and Writer Strong. Executive producers Jensen Carpon, Amy Sugarman,

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Speaker 1: Executive in charge of production, Danielle Romo, producer and editor,

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Speaker 1: Tara sud bachh producer, The rain Verruez engineer and Boy

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Speaker 1: meets World super fan Easton Allen. Our theme song is

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