WEBVTT - The Mindset of MAGA

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<v Speaker 1>Good morning, peeps, and welcome to ook F Daily with

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<v Speaker 1>Meet your Girl Danielle Moody. Pre recording from the Home Bunker. Folks,

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<v Speaker 1>it is our holiday week here at wok F Daily,

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<v Speaker 1>and as we wind down our seven year run on

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<v Speaker 1>this podcast, I want to revisit some of the most

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<v Speaker 1>thoughtful conversations that we've had on the incoming regime, and

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<v Speaker 1>I do I think that it's important sometimes to go

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<v Speaker 1>backwards in order to see where we are going to

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<v Speaker 1>be moving forwards. And so in this episode, I sat

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<v Speaker 1>down with clinical psychologist doctor Susan Lachman to help us

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<v Speaker 1>understand Trump cult, help understand the mindset of Maga, which

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<v Speaker 1>you know, at the time of this recording way back

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<v Speaker 1>in September of twenty twenty three, I thought that it

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<v Speaker 1>was a fraction of the population. I honestly, I genuinely

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<v Speaker 1>thought that, you know, it was about thirty percent of

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<v Speaker 1>the population were caught up in the Maga cult. Color

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<v Speaker 1>me wrong, because what the election on November fifth showed

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<v Speaker 1>us is that no, actually, it's nearly fifty percent of

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<v Speaker 1>the population that see nothing wrong with a man that

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<v Speaker 1>has been accused of rape of sexual harassment, sees nothing

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<v Speaker 1>wrong with any of the words that have come out

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<v Speaker 1>of Donald Trump's own mouth about being able to grab

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<v Speaker 1>women by the genitals, being able to kill somebody in

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<v Speaker 1>the middle of Fifth Avenue, calling Mexican's rapists and murders.

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<v Speaker 1>None of those things mattered except for the price of

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<v Speaker 1>eggs that he now says. Guess what, he can't actually

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<v Speaker 1>bring down grocery prices. You know, it's too hard. And

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<v Speaker 1>as we sit, by the time that you listen to this,

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<v Speaker 1>the government could have maybe shut down, not even because

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<v Speaker 1>of Donald Trump, but because of the real president elect,

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<v Speaker 1>Elon Musk. So we are in it, folks, and in

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<v Speaker 1>order to really understand how in it we are, we

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<v Speaker 1>do need to get a sense of what's going on

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<v Speaker 1>inside of these people's minds. And so that conversation with

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<v Speaker 1>Suzanne Lachman is coming up next, folks. I am very

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<v Speaker 1>happy to welcome to OKAF Daily for the very first time,

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<v Speaker 1>Doctor Suzanne Lachman a celebrated clinical psychologist and an unparalleled

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<v Speaker 1>voice in the realm of self esteem, relationships and breakups,

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<v Speaker 1>and as one of the three most read writers at

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<v Speaker 1>Psychology Today, and also has been featured in the critically

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<v Speaker 1>acclaimed documentary unfit the psychology of Donald Trump. Doctor Lockman,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, there's so much, there is so much that

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<v Speaker 1>I want to dig into with you, because I think

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<v Speaker 1>that the moment, the years that we've been living inside

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<v Speaker 1>of for the last seven years, since since Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 1>came down that escalator, since our political norms were turned

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<v Speaker 1>on their head, and what many of us believed to

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<v Speaker 1>be true about America, about democracy have been the challenged

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<v Speaker 1>is not even the world have been pushed to their

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<v Speaker 1>breaking point, and for many of us, watching this country

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<v Speaker 1>be degraded and contorted into a shell of itself is traumatizing, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And I just think about you know, let's harken back

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<v Speaker 1>to the images on January twenty one of watching our

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<v Speaker 1>Capitol building that did not even manage to get to

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<v Speaker 1>be put under siege in the Civil War, watch plumes

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<v Speaker 1>of smoke and people climb over buildings, and just the

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<v Speaker 1>visual of what we saw is trauma. So I just

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<v Speaker 1>want you to, you know, give us your thoughts on

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<v Speaker 1>where you see this moment as as psychologists looking at

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<v Speaker 1>what we've been facing and dealing with as a society

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<v Speaker 1>for almost a decade at this point.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, lots of good points in there, lots of good questions,

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<v Speaker 2>so many tentacles. So I think given that it is

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<v Speaker 2>a given that trauma has infiltrated the lives of really

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<v Speaker 2>any sane per who pays attention to the political landscape

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<v Speaker 2>who notices the uh horrendous directions that our country has taken,

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<v Speaker 2>the division, and the hatred. So there are a number

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<v Speaker 2>One of the ways I think that it is helpful

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<v Speaker 2>to address trauma is to try to understand the people

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<v Speaker 2>who are causing it or the people who have gotten

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<v Speaker 2>swept up in it. So I've spent a good amount

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<v Speaker 2>of time trying to make sense of what I think

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<v Speaker 2>are a bunch of types of people that remain to

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<v Speaker 2>this day Trump supporters, despite all the evidence to the contrary,

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<v Speaker 2>want there. So I think there's some character traits, and

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think anyone would disagree. That's pretty obvious, but

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<v Speaker 2>but they so one of them. The first one is

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<v Speaker 2>in many you can tell that there is a profound

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<v Speaker 2>difficulty admitting that they're wrong apologizing There is uh. There

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<v Speaker 2>are a lot of people out there who see admitting

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<v Speaker 2>they're wrong or apologizing as a form of weakness right

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<v Speaker 2>and of reflecting not just the event but their entire character.

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<v Speaker 2>So to admit they're wrong, to say they're sorry, means

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<v Speaker 2>that they're weak.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm we're just just you know, as I'm thinking

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<v Speaker 1>about that, right, because obviously the first person that comes

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<v Speaker 1>to mind is Donald Trump, right, his inability to be

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<v Speaker 1>able to acknowledge wrongdoing at all, which, frankly, as a

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<v Speaker 1>elected official, you want the characteristic to be able to

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<v Speaker 1>own up to your mistakes, right when you think about

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<v Speaker 1>what the president signified for it prior to Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 1>was in many ways a moral leader as well, right,

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<v Speaker 1>not just a not ideally not just a political leader,

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<v Speaker 1>but a moral leader, somebody that can provide example, right

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<v Speaker 1>of compromise, of diplomacy, of all of these things. And

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<v Speaker 1>so when you see these characteristics, is it that because

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<v Speaker 1>they have been modeled doctor Lackman for so many years

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<v Speaker 1>in such a bad way that people then have begun

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<v Speaker 1>to mimic or was this Laten's it always there?

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<v Speaker 2>There are when oftentimes when traumatized, it's because aspects of

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<v Speaker 2>earlier unresolved trauma is brought up again. And there are

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<v Speaker 2>many people through time, if you think back about it,

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<v Speaker 2>who should have apologized, who should have acknowledged they were wrong,

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<v Speaker 2>about something and just didn't and remained righteous and to

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<v Speaker 2>the end whatever that was. So I really think it's

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<v Speaker 2>an embedded characteristic in a lot of people. Does it.

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<v Speaker 2>Is it nature and nurture? Probably that would probably take

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<v Speaker 2>away too much time for us to parse out right,

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<v Speaker 2>But you kind of you're helping me springboard into another area,

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<v Speaker 2>which is Donald Trump appeals to people who have no

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<v Speaker 2>impulse control or who are barely able to maintain their impulses.

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<v Speaker 2>Now he is idealized, idolized, deified, et cetera, because he's

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<v Speaker 2>been walking around exercising his impulses everywhere and not getting

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<v Speaker 2>There's been no ramifications for his actions. Nothing has caught

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<v Speaker 2>up to him. Whereas the common everyday person, they have

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<v Speaker 2>to if they did any of the things grab somebody

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<v Speaker 2>by the pussy, or any of the things that we

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<v Speaker 2>know Trump has done, they get in trouble for it. Right, So,

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<v Speaker 2>here's this guy who's able to do all of these

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<v Speaker 2>things that they're not able to to do, that they're

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<v Speaker 2>barely containing themselves from doing. So they get to live

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<v Speaker 2>vicariously through him in a way, and it makes him

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<v Speaker 2>rise above. There's no consequences, or there have been no consequences,

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<v Speaker 2>and he's continuing to find ways to make it appear

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<v Speaker 2>to those people who are very willing to believe because

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<v Speaker 2>they don't want to be wrong or they don't know

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<v Speaker 2>how to be wrong. I mean, there's so many people

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<v Speaker 2>in Congress that applies to you know, Matt Gates comes

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<v Speaker 2>willing to as somebody who, in your wildest dreams, would

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<v Speaker 2>never admit he was wrong, even Kevin McCarthy. They'll just

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<v Speaker 2>talk over themselves instead. Yeah, and it's maddening. So there's

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<v Speaker 2>these these two sub groups that are intertwined as well,

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<v Speaker 2>but we can also sort of see them differently. Then

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<v Speaker 2>there are people who have a much higher threshold for

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<v Speaker 2>abusive talk, for being insulted, for dishing out insult, for

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<v Speaker 2>being bullies, for calling somebody crooked whatever, or name call,

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<v Speaker 2>the kind of name calling, that kind of childish. It

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<v Speaker 2>comes along with impulsivity. Way that we've seen him conduct

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<v Speaker 2>himself to them, that's sort of like, oh, that's familiar

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<v Speaker 2>to me. There's something comforting about that he's normalizing what

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't always I thought was bad or people told

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<v Speaker 2>me was bad. But look at this, I can get

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<v Speaker 2>on board with this.

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<v Speaker 1>This is how I talk the way that I have

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<v Speaker 1>talked about it on this show and others is almost

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<v Speaker 1>this perpetual adolescence where Donald Trump, right and his followers

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<v Speaker 1>have never had to grow up. Right. It is they've

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<v Speaker 1>never had to grow up because they've never had to tap.

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<v Speaker 1>Because part of adulthood is taking responsibility, right, and when

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<v Speaker 1>you have never been forced to take responsibility for any

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<v Speaker 1>of your actions, or or you're not able, so tell

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<v Speaker 1>me the difference. Tell me the difference of not being

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<v Speaker 1>able to take responsibility for your actions and choosing not

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<v Speaker 1>to take responsibility for your actions.

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<v Speaker 2>Good question. People who are choosing not to take responsibility

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<v Speaker 2>of their actions are aware that there are sinking shift.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean if we if we make it specific to Trump,

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<v Speaker 2>but at this point they don't think that there's any

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<v Speaker 2>other recourse. They may. I think Kevin McCarthy is a

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<v Speaker 2>good example of this, because I think that he knows

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<v Speaker 2>that he's this is a clusterfuck that he's gotten himself into.

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<v Speaker 2>But will he ever admit it? No, So do I

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<v Speaker 2>think there are I think there are people out there

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<v Speaker 2>who follow Trump who are aware that in order to

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<v Speaker 2>continue to follow him, they have to shirk their responsibilities.

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<v Speaker 2>They have to decide that they're not going to be

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<v Speaker 2>accountable to anyone. They're going to put themselves first. And

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<v Speaker 2>there are others who intellectually may not or definitely don't

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<v Speaker 2>have the capacity to even understand that. They haven't grown up,

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<v Speaker 2>whether it be. We see a lot of people like

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<v Speaker 2>that that still go to the rallies. There they have

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<v Speaker 2>no clue what's going on in the world, they have

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<v Speaker 2>no answers to questions, yet there they follow Trump. It's

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<v Speaker 2>an and you know, probably I would imagine a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of them have been in trouble with the law at

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<v Speaker 2>some point, or barely escaped being in trouble with the law,

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<v Speaker 2>or perpetually on the edge. So I don't know if

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<v Speaker 2>I'm answering your question, but I do think there are

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<v Speaker 2>people out there that kind of consciously know that, no

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<v Speaker 2>matter who's following him, you have to be shirking your responsibilities.

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<v Speaker 2>You cannot be a conscious person with UH, with a

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<v Speaker 2>moral and ethical middle UH or time out it's a

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<v Speaker 2>better word for that, like internal compass. Yeah, with UH,

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<v Speaker 2>a moral compass, who wouldn't recognize that there's something seriously

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<v Speaker 2>wrong here?

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<v Speaker 1>So then what is that? What does that say? Though? Then,

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<v Speaker 1>because we're looking right when we're when we're thinking about

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<v Speaker 1>this because I've I I've interviewed experts on cults right

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<v Speaker 1>as as also a way to understand, uh, this moment

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<v Speaker 1>that we're in, this this this this rapture that we

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<v Speaker 1>that we find ourselves in with Donald Trump, where these

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<v Speaker 1>people are so enamored that they will give up their

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<v Speaker 1>own sense of right and wrong law quote unquote and

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<v Speaker 1>order a moral compass right values in order to follow

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<v Speaker 1>this character. And I it's but it's it's thirty percent

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<v Speaker 1>of the population, doctor Lackman. So I'm like, is there

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<v Speaker 1>are we all just banging our heads against the wall

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<v Speaker 1>then trying to have this thirty percent try and wake

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<v Speaker 1>up to reality? What? Yes, yeah, go ahead?

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<v Speaker 2>We there. I mean I often think about the Titanic

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<v Speaker 2>when it comes to Trump. And there were people who jumped,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'd say anyone who maybe voted for him first

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<v Speaker 2>term but has turned against him. And there are certainly

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<v Speaker 2>many Republican groups that are anti Trump. They jumped, and

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<v Speaker 2>others who are just gonna go down with the ship.

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<v Speaker 2>They know it's heading for the iceberg, but they're just

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<v Speaker 2>gonna that's that's what they'll do. They don't really know

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<v Speaker 2>any other way, and because to hint to them, to

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<v Speaker 2>many of them, he's he's magical, and he's managed to

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<v Speaker 2>get out of circumstances so often himself. I mean, think

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<v Speaker 2>about how many people went into the Capitol with the

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<v Speaker 2>promise that they would be pardoned right that, and especially

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<v Speaker 2>if if he is still the president and or becomes

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<v Speaker 2>the president or somehow is both. There's also many, many

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<v Speaker 2>mentally ill people in that contingent, in that thirty percent.

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<v Speaker 2>Not to say that there there aren't mentally ill people

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<v Speaker 2>in the other seventy, but there's less when with with

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<v Speaker 2>with COVID, it certainly heightened and kind of pressurized a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of mental illness that may have been more latent exactly,

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<v Speaker 2>and venom and hatred and all these other emotions. And

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<v Speaker 2>since a good portion of those groups that we're describing

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<v Speaker 2>don't have impulse control, I mean, even if we think

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<v Speaker 2>about how many Republicans in particular are are found to

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<v Speaker 2>be pedophiles are it's it's it's insane, the lack of

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<v Speaker 2>impulse control, and it's it's it's really that that kind

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<v Speaker 2>of in many ways separates them from the rest of us. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>even if they know, they're not controlling their impulses. Again,

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<v Speaker 2>he's giving them an excuse.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, He's giving he's giving them carte blanche.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, he's normalizing it, right, uh right? Yeah, So

0:19:08.880 --> 0:19:15.680
<v Speaker 2>that that's those are big issues among Trump's supporters. And

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<v Speaker 2>and this other one that I'm describing to just a

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<v Speaker 2>threshold for abuse, the way he speaks to other people,

0:19:25.240 --> 0:19:31.840
<v Speaker 2>the way that uh he speaks down to women, objectifies them.

0:19:33.160 --> 0:19:36.640
<v Speaker 2>There's a Trump there's a lot of people out there

0:19:36.680 --> 0:19:39.640
<v Speaker 2>like that, and unfortunately a lot of women who are

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<v Speaker 2>used to being treated that way.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, there were there were women that wore t

0:19:45.320 --> 0:19:49.840
<v Speaker 1>shirts to his rally that said you can grab me anytime,

0:19:49.960 --> 0:19:56.880
<v Speaker 1>like it, and and and watching that and saying what Right,

0:19:56.960 --> 0:20:01.040
<v Speaker 1>when you see the fan art of Donald Trump, their

0:20:01.160 --> 0:20:05.760
<v Speaker 1>image of him is that of of you know, eighties

0:20:06.040 --> 0:20:10.200
<v Speaker 1>Rocky Balboa. Right. They draw him and they paint him

0:20:10.240 --> 0:20:13.600
<v Speaker 1>as this muscular feure and I'm just like, what are

0:20:13.640 --> 0:20:21.400
<v Speaker 1>you actually looking at? Because it's so distorted from reality.

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<v Speaker 1>And I you know, I understand, I guess that it

0:20:27.000 --> 0:20:33.440
<v Speaker 1>is important to understand the psychology of the people that

0:20:33.960 --> 0:20:37.520
<v Speaker 1>follow Trump, Yes, but I also find myself and with

0:20:37.560 --> 0:20:39.720
<v Speaker 1>a couple of minutes that we have left. I want

0:20:39.760 --> 0:20:43.080
<v Speaker 1>you to be able to weigh in on the trauma

0:20:43.119 --> 0:20:47.440
<v Speaker 1>that is being inflicted on the rest of us and

0:20:47.480 --> 0:20:54.840
<v Speaker 1>how we are to manage and move and move through that,

0:20:54.920 --> 0:20:58.960
<v Speaker 1>because again, I don't think that we have paused long

0:20:59.080 --> 0:21:05.720
<v Speaker 1>enough to reflect the damage that has been done emotionally, spiritually,

0:21:06.160 --> 0:21:11.680
<v Speaker 1>physically over the last seven years.

0:21:12.280 --> 0:21:15.400
<v Speaker 2>The same can be said for the Holocaust, the same

0:21:15.440 --> 0:21:23.280
<v Speaker 2>can be said for slavery. When you're in something, you're

0:21:23.320 --> 0:21:26.399
<v Speaker 2>just in it. There's really no way or no time

0:21:26.520 --> 0:21:31.640
<v Speaker 2>to no ability to reflect while you're in it. What

0:21:31.680 --> 0:21:34.639
<v Speaker 2>we're looking for is a way out of it. And

0:21:35.760 --> 0:21:40.560
<v Speaker 2>I mean, at the if it's thirty percent, so be it.

0:21:40.560 --> 0:21:41.360
<v Speaker 2>It's not fifty.

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<v Speaker 1>You said that it's really difficult for people to reflect

0:21:47.400 --> 0:21:52.640
<v Speaker 1>on what they're currently in, right, and yet I think

0:21:52.680 --> 0:21:56.439
<v Speaker 1>that in order to manage our way through this, we

0:21:56.680 --> 0:22:00.440
<v Speaker 1>have to both be actively looking for the exit while

0:22:00.520 --> 0:22:06.080
<v Speaker 1>trying to, you know, deal with the trauma and the

0:22:06.119 --> 0:22:08.840
<v Speaker 1>wounds so that we can have the strength to make

0:22:08.880 --> 0:22:09.720
<v Speaker 1>it to the exit.

0:22:10.160 --> 0:22:11.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, do you know? So?

0:22:11.480 --> 0:22:15.320
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, so, how how are we how how do

0:22:15.440 --> 0:22:16.800
<v Speaker 1>we manage to do both?

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<v Speaker 2>And podcasts? Social media? Uh? For as much as of

0:22:26.960 --> 0:22:31.680
<v Speaker 2>the craziness that's out there. Uh, it's pretty easy. And

0:22:32.119 --> 0:22:35.520
<v Speaker 2>if you some of the news stations and other places

0:22:35.560 --> 0:22:39.840
<v Speaker 2>as well, there's a lot of validation for the fact

0:22:39.880 --> 0:22:43.320
<v Speaker 2>that this is a crazy time and everything about this

0:22:43.400 --> 0:22:48.159
<v Speaker 2>Trump era is wrong. Uh and and really all you

0:22:48.520 --> 0:22:52.840
<v Speaker 2>I know that that's significantly harder in Red States. I

0:22:52.920 --> 0:22:54.840
<v Speaker 2>know what I was going to say. I was going

0:22:54.920 --> 0:22:58.840
<v Speaker 2>to say that just like little kids when they get

0:22:59.000 --> 0:23:03.080
<v Speaker 2>really crazy and destructive, it's like it's like they're crying

0:23:03.200 --> 0:23:08.600
<v Speaker 2>out for someone to contain them. That's what is happening

0:23:08.880 --> 0:23:13.560
<v Speaker 2>right now. That's what the Republicans are doing with the

0:23:13.600 --> 0:23:24.040
<v Speaker 2>book banning and the not not chastising people who are

0:23:25.720 --> 0:23:33.360
<v Speaker 2>neo Nazi and racially motivated and all of that. There,

0:23:33.800 --> 0:23:37.040
<v Speaker 2>they are literally crying out, whether they know it or not,

0:23:37.200 --> 0:23:40.600
<v Speaker 2>they are crying out because they cannot handle the control

0:23:40.680 --> 0:23:47.879
<v Speaker 2>that they have. Wow, that's why it's so crazy out there,

0:23:48.680 --> 0:23:54.320
<v Speaker 2>and we as sane adults, are going there's nothing that's

0:23:54.320 --> 0:23:59.320
<v Speaker 2>going to stop us from getting to the polls. And thankfully,

0:23:59.400 --> 0:24:03.679
<v Speaker 2>I think because of the extent to that, the lengths

0:24:03.680 --> 0:24:06.840
<v Speaker 2>the Republicans have gone to with with taking away women's

0:24:06.920 --> 0:24:11.399
<v Speaker 2>rights and messing with civil rights and education, et cetera.

0:24:12.280 --> 0:24:13.840
<v Speaker 2>It's going to get a lot of other people out

0:24:13.880 --> 0:24:17.560
<v Speaker 2>there too who might not have otherwise been involved, because

0:24:17.680 --> 0:24:24.760
<v Speaker 2>this touches losing Roe v. Wade, as evidenced by some

0:24:24.840 --> 0:24:29.960
<v Speaker 2>of the other some of the elections that we've seen

0:24:30.480 --> 0:24:32.800
<v Speaker 2>that are if there any indication of what's to come,

0:24:33.920 --> 0:24:40.600
<v Speaker 2>even in the most conservative states, it's they're they're a

0:24:40.800 --> 0:24:46.440
<v Speaker 2>cruising for us to take over, and we will, we will,

0:24:47.880 --> 0:24:48.600
<v Speaker 2>that's our job.

0:24:49.040 --> 0:24:51.960
<v Speaker 1>Well let's let's hope that is the case, because I

0:24:52.480 --> 0:24:59.320
<v Speaker 1>will say, you know that the word unprecedented is so overused,

0:25:01.080 --> 0:25:05.800
<v Speaker 1>and the word consequential is so overused. But the fact

0:25:05.920 --> 0:25:10.359
<v Speaker 1>is that we have been an are at our break

0:25:10.600 --> 0:25:13.480
<v Speaker 1>at our breaking point, and I think that the next

0:25:13.840 --> 0:25:19.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, twelve months, you know, or so are really

0:25:19.119 --> 0:25:26.600
<v Speaker 1>going to be a pressure cooker whether America survives. And

0:25:26.640 --> 0:25:28.240
<v Speaker 1>I don't even you know, And I guess the last

0:25:28.320 --> 0:25:30.640
<v Speaker 1>question for you, I'll say, I'll ask is this is,

0:25:32.200 --> 0:25:38.360
<v Speaker 1>even if democracy comes out the other side of this,

0:25:41.320 --> 0:25:46.000
<v Speaker 1>does America, how we've understood it, come out the other

0:25:46.119 --> 0:25:52.639
<v Speaker 1>side of this or are we in a I don't know,

0:25:52.920 --> 0:25:58.760
<v Speaker 1>a burned down moment. Phoenix rising moment regardless, because so

0:25:59.000 --> 0:26:00.439
<v Speaker 1>much has been to worched.

0:26:03.880 --> 0:26:06.400
<v Speaker 2>It's safe to say that that's been the case through

0:26:06.440 --> 0:26:10.160
<v Speaker 2>the years, whether it was a fake war in Iraq

0:26:11.000 --> 0:26:15.080
<v Speaker 2>after nine to eleven, we can go way back with

0:26:15.160 --> 0:26:21.960
<v Speaker 2>our history. This is not history repeats itself, and democracy

0:26:22.160 --> 0:26:26.439
<v Speaker 2>is a journey, it's not a destination, and it's got

0:26:26.440 --> 0:26:31.679
<v Speaker 2>to change and it's got a shape shift to incorporate

0:26:31.720 --> 0:26:35.000
<v Speaker 2>the people who are in it. The founding fathers really

0:26:35.040 --> 0:26:41.960
<v Speaker 2>did not have an appreciation for the level of differences

0:26:42.920 --> 0:26:47.879
<v Speaker 2>amongst people and what it would mean to incorporate all

0:26:47.960 --> 0:26:52.720
<v Speaker 2>as equal. And so hopefully there are more and more

0:26:52.720 --> 0:26:55.840
<v Speaker 2>amendments that are past, but what we are seeing is

0:26:55.880 --> 0:27:01.080
<v Speaker 2>that there is legal recourse. And so this kind of

0:27:01.160 --> 0:27:04.600
<v Speaker 2>anger that you're describing, or people being at their wits end,

0:27:05.440 --> 0:27:08.240
<v Speaker 2>it's there's two types of anger, in my opinion. There's

0:27:08.240 --> 0:27:12.840
<v Speaker 2>the blamey kind, which you can only get stuck in, like, oh,

0:27:12.920 --> 0:27:16.800
<v Speaker 2>I can't believe you know that, I can't believe that

0:27:16.840 --> 0:27:19.199
<v Speaker 2>all these people are still into him, like you know,

0:27:19.480 --> 0:27:22.320
<v Speaker 2>the stuff that you can't do anything about. And then

0:27:22.359 --> 0:27:25.119
<v Speaker 2>there's the I am so sick of being sick of

0:27:25.160 --> 0:27:30.600
<v Speaker 2>this that that I'm not going to crawl under a rock.

0:27:31.520 --> 0:27:34.760
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna vote, and I'm gonna get as many other

0:27:34.760 --> 0:27:37.679
<v Speaker 2>people out there as I can to vote, because the

0:27:37.760 --> 0:27:43.760
<v Speaker 2>system has not failed us. There We've have called constitutional

0:27:43.800 --> 0:27:48.280
<v Speaker 2>crises a couple of times, but here we are and

0:27:48.400 --> 0:27:52.960
<v Speaker 2>there's ninety one counts against him. Proud boys are being

0:27:53.000 --> 0:27:55.800
<v Speaker 2>thrown in jail. The problem is the wheels of justice

0:27:55.920 --> 0:28:02.359
<v Speaker 2>grind slowly, so it's a matter of being patient. But

0:28:02.560 --> 0:28:06.159
<v Speaker 2>the more patient you are, the more relief you will find.

0:28:08.280 --> 0:28:12.280
<v Speaker 2>It certainly will not detract from all the pain and

0:28:12.320 --> 0:28:18.800
<v Speaker 2>suffering that people have gone through, but to feel be

0:28:18.840 --> 0:28:23.159
<v Speaker 2>able to feel safer in our homes, in our neighborhoods,

0:28:23.160 --> 0:28:28.760
<v Speaker 2>in our own skin, that's that's the goal. So yeah,

0:28:29.760 --> 0:28:33.640
<v Speaker 2>that's what we all have to move towards. Don't get mad,

0:28:33.680 --> 0:28:34.160
<v Speaker 2>get even.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Doctor Lachman, I appreciate you so much for making

0:28:39.760 --> 0:28:43.400
<v Speaker 1>the time to join Woke app a lot to reflect

0:28:43.480 --> 0:28:48.520
<v Speaker 1>on and to and to think about, but definitely figuring

0:28:48.560 --> 0:28:53.160
<v Speaker 1>out a way to best channel rage and grief in

0:28:53.240 --> 0:28:55.800
<v Speaker 1>this time is definitely what I spend a lot of

0:28:55.800 --> 0:28:59.160
<v Speaker 1>time talking about on this show. So I appreciate you.

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<v Speaker 1>That is it for me to day dear friends on

0:29:04.160 --> 0:29:07.600
<v Speaker 1>woke f as always, Power to the people and to

0:29:07.760 --> 0:29:11.520
<v Speaker 1>all the people. Power, get woke and stay woke as fuck.