Speaker 1: It's nineteen seventy five. We're in New York City at
Speaker 1: the offices of the Village Voice newspaper. Shaggy haired reporters
Speaker 1: hack away their typewriters and chat around the coffee machine.
Speaker 1: You can almost smell the smoke hanging in the air.
Speaker 1: One reporter, Dick Russell, is going through his mail and
Speaker 1: he comes across an anonymous letter.
Speaker 2: The letter was from someone who identified himself as the
Speaker 2: Brooklyn Waiter, and he wrote that he was familiar with
Speaker 2: a recent article I had published on the JFK assassination.
Speaker 2: He also wrote that I was now part of the
Speaker 2: quote great game of researching the JFK assassination, and he
Speaker 2: wanted to bring the name of someone to my attention.
Speaker 2: The name was Adolph Sheppi Wiedenbach. I'd never heard that
Speaker 2: name before, but I kept reading The Brooklyn Waiter claimed
Speaker 2: that Sheppey Widenbach was the mastermind behind the JFK assassination.
Speaker 2: I didn't know what to make of it. I mean,
Speaker 2: who the hell is Adolph Sheppey Wiedenbach. There was no
Speaker 2: Internet back then, so I didn't have a way to
Speaker 2: find out who this Sheppey w Edenbach was. Then years later,
Speaker 2: I was working on a book about the assassination and
Speaker 2: stumbled upon an article about a General Charles Willoughby. Charles
Speaker 2: Willoughby rose through the ranks of the US military to
Speaker 2: become the chief of intelligence for General Douglas MacArthur during
Speaker 2: World War II and then the Korean War. It got
Speaker 2: my attention because Richard case Nagel had also worked for
Speaker 2: the top secret Field Operations Intelligence under Willoughby's command.
Speaker 3: You might remember Field Operations Intelligence as the top secret
Speaker 3: army intelligence unit closely connected to the CIA. Nagel described
Speaker 3: its role as quote designed to conceal the true nature
Speaker 3: of CIA objectives.
Speaker 2: I continued to research Willoughby and found out that not
Speaker 2: only was he an extreme, far right anti communist with
Speaker 2: connections to Nagel, but he also had connections to CIA
Speaker 2: chief Allen Dulles, the Hunt Oil family of Dallas, and
Speaker 2: the Cuban exile community. And then, when I thought I'd
Speaker 2: read just about everything I could about General Charles Willoughby,
Speaker 2: I stumbled upon his birth name. Charles Willoughby was born
Speaker 2: Adolph Sheppy Wiedenbach. Was it possible that the letter that
Speaker 2: the Brooklyn waiter sent me fifteen years earlier was a
Speaker 2: major clue into who killed JFK.
Speaker 3: This is who killed JFK? Sixty years later? What can
Speaker 3: we uncover about the greatest murder mystery in American history?
Speaker 3: And why does it still matter today? I'm your host,
Speaker 3: Solidad O'Brien.
Speaker 1: In the last episode, we covered the forty eight hours
Speaker 1: between Oswald's arrest and his death. We heard about Jack
Speaker 1: Ruby's extensive connections to the mafia and Oswald's connections to Ruby.
Speaker 1: We watched Ruby as he stopped to Oswald following the assassination,
Speaker 1: then murdered Oswald on live TV.
Speaker 3: So where does this guy, Adolph Shepy Wiedenbach fit in
Speaker 3: and if he's involved in the whole thing, why is
Speaker 3: this the first time we're hearing his name.
Speaker 1: He was a rogue and in this episode we'll find
Speaker 1: out how he and other hardline rogue elements came together
Speaker 1: to assassinate the president.
Speaker 4: As I see the hallmarks or the markers of this
Speaker 4: being a CIA operation that rogues would have conducted.
Speaker 3: That's Rolf Mowitt Larson. He worked as a CIA intelligence
Speaker 3: officer from nineteen eighty three to two thousand and six.
Speaker 4: I do believe The reason I can say that with
Speaker 4: a different kind of approach than others is because I
Speaker 4: am a CIA officer.
Speaker 1: Okay, it's time to lay out exactly what happened on
Speaker 1: November twenty second, nineteen sixty three.
Speaker 3: All right, here we go. You've established three groups, each with.
Speaker 1: A motive, and exiles were angry that Castro took over Cuba.
Speaker 1: They wanted the country back. The mafia wanted their hotels
Speaker 1: and their casinos back. And the hardliners in the military
Speaker 1: and the intelligence community were furious at Kennedy. They believed
Speaker 1: that he had gone soft on communism and was selling
Speaker 1: America out.
Speaker 3: So what do you think happened?
Speaker 1: Well, Ralph Mowatt Larson, the former CIA agent that we
Speaker 1: just heard from, he said it had all the hallmarks
Speaker 1: of a CIA operation, and he thinks that some people
Speaker 1: connected to the agency were involved.
Speaker 2: As we go through this, it's important to keep in
Speaker 2: mind Operation Northwoods.
Speaker 3: You'll remember. Operation Northwoods was the concept developed by the
Speaker 3: CIA and the military. The idea was to stage a
Speaker 3: false flag attack on a prominent US target, then blame
Speaker 3: it on Castro to galvanize public support for an invasion
Speaker 3: of Cuba.
Speaker 1: CIA agent Bill Harvey's ZR Rifle explored the same tactic
Speaker 1: of using a pro communist scapegoat.
Speaker 3: If you remember, ZR Rifle was the CIA program run
Speaker 3: by Bill Harvey that was designed to eliminate world leaders
Speaker 3: that the US deemed problematic. In nineteen seventy six, the
Speaker 3: Church Committee discovered classified documents about this program, which included
Speaker 3: a handwritten note from Bill Harvey himself.
Speaker 2: He wrote, quote planning should include provision for blaming checks
Speaker 2: or soviets in case of blow. In other words, someone
Speaker 2: who is pro communist. Harvey also instructed the Central Registry
Speaker 2: to have a quote phony two oh one on that person.
Speaker 3: A two oh one is a file that the CIA
Speaker 3: keeps on someone they're interested in.
Speaker 2: He wrote that this phony two oh one quote should
Speaker 2: look like a CE file. The CE stands for counter espionage.
Speaker 1: If they wanted a pro communist to take the blame
Speaker 1: for an assassination, they had to have documentation to this person,
Speaker 1: this fall guy, to prove that he was in fact
Speaker 1: a Communist agent. The idea of a pro communist scapegoat
Speaker 1: was part of both Operation Northwoods and Harvey's ZR Rifle.
Speaker 1: Now let's get into the details. Once the motorcade had
Speaker 1: been established. All the tactical leader had to do was
Speaker 1: placed the shooters in positions to be most effective.
Speaker 5: Do you know what a triangulation is?
Speaker 3: That's Colonel William Bishop being interviewed by Dick Russell. Bishop
Speaker 3: worked in intelligence for many years and worked in black
Speaker 3: ops for the CIA.
Speaker 5: Only septrifie it happen nighte this depository, Resciole and the
Speaker 5: Billinheer Courses Street.
Speaker 1: Now some people think they were two shooters, some people
Speaker 1: think as many as six, but based on the forensic evidence,
Speaker 1: the locations of the wounds and the directions of the shots,
Speaker 1: we believe there were at least four. There was definitely
Speaker 1: a shooter on the sixth floor of the school Book
Speaker 1: Depository building. There was another shooter behind the picket fence
Speaker 1: on what we've come to call the grassy Kno. Based
Speaker 1: on the bullet hole in Kennedy's back and some of
Speaker 1: Governor Connolly's wounds. There were most likely shooters in the
Speaker 1: Daltex building and the County Records building, and both of
Speaker 1: these buildings were across Houston Street behind the motorcade. And finally,
Speaker 1: based on the forensic evidence we have, we believed that
Speaker 1: a fatal headshot would have come from the overpass on
Speaker 1: the south.
Speaker 5: Knole, so we were on the south side and we
Speaker 5: were looking for shooters on the other side.
Speaker 3: That's Tosh Plumley, the CIA mercenary pilot who said he
Speaker 3: flew mobster Johnny Rocelli and CIA agent E Howard Hunt
Speaker 3: to Dallas that day.
Speaker 1: Plumley was positioned on the southknoll of Dealey Plaza at
Speaker 1: the time of the show sho He said a shot
Speaker 1: definitely came from that area, and based on the position
Speaker 1: Kennedy was in at the time and the result of
Speaker 1: his head wound, we believe this was a kill shot.
Speaker 3: I know you've been researching this question for decades. Can
Speaker 3: you name the people that you think fired at JFK
Speaker 3: that day.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna let Dick take this one.
Speaker 2: With all of the information now available to us, we
Speaker 2: can name four assassins who were all present in Dallas
Speaker 2: that day. It's possible to make a highly educated guess
Speaker 2: as to who those shooters were and who was responsible
Speaker 2: for where they were placed.
Speaker 1: The people were about to name were all cold blooded assassins.
Speaker 5: To me, it was a job, no more and no less,
Speaker 5: and a human target is no damn different.
Speaker 3: That's Colonel William Bishop again talking about his mindset during assassinations.
Speaker 3: Later on, during this interview with Dick Russell, Bishop admits
Speaker 3: that he himself had a hand in the nineteen sixty
Speaker 3: one assassination of Raphael Trujillo, president of the Dominican Republic.
Speaker 5: You look upon your target as a ten can. You
Speaker 5: don't allow yourself to become emotionally, psychologically, or mentally involved
Speaker 5: with your target.
Speaker 3: You have to be attached to be good at it cold, Okay,
Speaker 3: So who were the men in Dallas?
Speaker 2: First there was a Cuban exile named Erminio Diaz Garcia.
Speaker 5: Emigio Lea.
Speaker 3: That's fabian Escilante, a former Cuban intelligence officer.
Speaker 1: Escolante said that Armenio Diaz is one of the people
Speaker 1: that we think was almost definitely involved in the plot
Speaker 1: against Kennedy.
Speaker 3: Who is Henrimnio Diaz Garcia.
Speaker 1: Escalante said that in the nineteen forties he was a
Speaker 1: gangster in Cuba. He participated in a plot to kill
Speaker 1: the president of Costa Rica. He said that Herminio killed
Speaker 1: several people in the fifties.
Speaker 2: In twenty thirteen, an old friend of Garcia's Rinaldo Martinez
Speaker 2: Gomez gave an interview stating that Garcia had admitted to
Speaker 2: him that he had been part of the JFK assassination team.
Speaker 2: Garcia was killed in nineteen sixty six while on a
Speaker 2: mission into Cuba to try and assassinate Fidel Castro. We
Speaker 2: think another shooter was a man named Jean Swetra.
Speaker 1: We mentioned Swetra in an earlier episode. He was a
Speaker 1: notorious French assassin. Cia files Declassified in nineteen seventy seven
Speaker 1: revealed that Swetra was in Dallas on November twenty second,
Speaker 1: and was then quickly and quietly deported from the country
Speaker 1: almost immediately after the assassination. We believe another shooter was
Speaker 1: a man named Charles Nicoletti, also known as Chucky the Typewriter.
Speaker 1: He was part of the Chicago mob and a hitman
Speaker 1: for Sam g and Conna.
Speaker 3: You may remember Sam g and Conna was one of
Speaker 3: two mobsters, along with Johnny Rosselli, that agreed to help
Speaker 3: Bill Harvey assassinate Castro.
Speaker 2: Nicoletti was murdered in nineteen seventy seven, right before he
Speaker 2: was due to testify to the House Select Committee on Assassinations.
Speaker 2: The fourth shooter we know about was a man named
Speaker 2: Jack Cannon. Cannon worked under Charles Willoughby.
Speaker 3: Willoughby was the guy you talked about earlier, the guy
Speaker 3: you received the letter about exactly.
Speaker 2: Willoughby was the head of intelligence for Douglas MacArthur, and
Speaker 2: after World War Two, Cannon worked with Willoughby. Cannon ran
Speaker 2: a Bloe black ops group known as the z or
Speaker 2: Z Unit. When I wrote my book on Richard K.
Speaker 2: S Nagel, The Man who Knew too Much, he told
Speaker 2: me that Canon was a part of the CIA unit
Speaker 2: that reported to Willoughby, and he indicated that Canon was
Speaker 2: directly involved in the assassination of JFK.
Speaker 3: It seems like a lot of people to be working
Speaker 3: on a secret plot.
Speaker 2: It was all compartmentalized. Everything was done on a need
Speaker 2: to know basis. Most likely none of the shooters were
Speaker 2: aware of the others, so in that sense, they didn't
Speaker 2: work together.
Speaker 1: The CIA agents that we talked to said that people
Speaker 1: in operations like this would be given very specific instructions
Speaker 1: of what they were expected to do. They would know
Speaker 1: little or nothing about the other people involved.
Speaker 3: As both of you said a little while ago, it's
Speaker 3: nice to name the shooters, but knowing who put them there,
Speaker 3: that's the real question. Who do you think orchestrated the
Speaker 3: assassination of JFK.
Speaker 2: The challenge to answering that is that people want a
Speaker 2: simple answer, and it isn't simple.
Speaker 3: I can hear the audience groaning as you say that.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, don't worry. We're about to answer you
Speaker 1: very directly. But it isn't a one word answer. It
Speaker 1: wasn't the CIA, the mafia, or the Cuban exiles, but
Speaker 1: it was rogue individuals that came from those worlds.
Speaker 2: Operation Northwoods and ZR Rifle served as the blueprint. The
Speaker 2: people that wrote those documents never thought they would ever
Speaker 2: see the light of day. They thought that it would
Speaker 2: stay secret forever. Alan Dulles, the godfather of the CIA,
Speaker 2: kept these programs from the War and Commission. He knew
Speaker 2: what a bombshell it would be.
Speaker 1: So to start, none of this happens without the knowledge
Speaker 1: of Alan Dullas.
Speaker 2: We don't think that Dulles played an active role in
Speaker 2: the planning, but we do think he would have been
Speaker 2: aware of the plan.
Speaker 1: Why do you say that, because it's inconceivable that he
Speaker 1: wouldn't be aware of something like this, and it explains
Speaker 1: why he was at the remote CIA facility known as
Speaker 1: the Farm on the day of the assassination.
Speaker 3: What's the farm?
Speaker 6: This was the top secret facility. What the hell was
Speaker 6: Alan Dalles doing going to a CIA facility when he
Speaker 6: had been fired two years before.
Speaker 3: That's David Talbot, the author of a book on Dulles
Speaker 3: called The Devil's Chessboard.
Speaker 6: He was there all during that fateful weekend when President
Speaker 6: Kenny was killed and when Jack Ruby killed Lee Harvey
Speaker 6: Oswald on national television.
Speaker 2: With Dulles's approval. I think that James Angleton and David
Speaker 2: Attlee Phillips were responsible for ultimately setting up Oswald.
Speaker 3: You'll remember James Jesus Angleton as the poet spy. He
Speaker 3: named his world of counterintelligence the Wilderness of Mirrors.
Speaker 2: He and David Attlee Phillips, who worked under Angleton, were
Speaker 2: the ones moving Oswald around the chessboard. They were developing
Speaker 2: him as a pro communist who would ultimately take the blame.
Speaker 5: Otivele was a damn thing in the world, but a dicoy.
Speaker 1: He was a patsy.
Speaker 3: We started this investigation with Lee Harvey Oswald famously saying
Speaker 3: I'm just a patsy. And now Rob, you're fully explaining
Speaker 3: why you think that's true.
Speaker 1: Let's take a moment to understand why Oswald's saying he's
Speaker 1: a patsy is so important. If I was arrested for
Speaker 1: a murder I didn't commit, I would say I'm innocent.
Speaker 1: I didn't do it. You got the wrong guy. But
Speaker 1: Oswald says I'm just a patsy. Now, why would he
Speaker 1: say that? If you look at assassinations of world leaders
Speaker 1: throughout history, Julius Caesar, Abraham Lincoln, what happened after their deaths?
Speaker 3: Somebody claimed responsibility?
Speaker 6: Exactly when he was arrested, he said, I'm a patsy.
Speaker 6: That's not the words of an assassin who prattly kills
Speaker 6: the president.
Speaker 3: That's David Talbot again.
Speaker 6: John Wilkes Booth said six semper tyrannus. As he'd left
Speaker 6: to the stage after killing Lincoln, he was proud that
Speaker 6: he'd killed the.
Speaker 3: President six semper tyrannus, which means thus always to tyrants,
Speaker 3: if you're going to.
Speaker 1: Kill somebody for political reasons, and you think that you're
Speaker 1: doing your country a great service, you want to own it.
Speaker 3: What about those who say he was just someone looking
Speaker 3: to make his mark on the world, even.
Speaker 1: More reason to own it. If you're nobody and you
Speaker 1: want to feel important, to take your place in history,
Speaker 1: you want to own that. Setting up Oswald to take
Speaker 1: the fall also explains the cover up. How do you mean, Well,
Speaker 1: we know that Oswald had extensive connections to the CIA,
Speaker 1: So the people who had been handling him since the
Speaker 1: late fifties, they now had a personal incentive to make
Speaker 1: sure that everything was covered up.
Speaker 2: Their fingerprints were all over Oswald, even if they had
Speaker 2: nothing to do with the assassination directly, and any real
Speaker 2: investigation would reveal their involvement.
Speaker 3: So the men responsible for Dallas were counting on the
Speaker 3: fact that the CIA and FBI would have to close
Speaker 3: ranks in the cover up because of their connections to Oswald.
Speaker 1: Exactly. Anyone who dealt with Oswald handled his file, read
Speaker 1: his mail, cut his paychecks, gave him his assignments while
Speaker 1: he was in the Marines, took care of him when
Speaker 1: he got out. They now had to deny any connection
Speaker 1: to Oswald, even if they had nothing to do with
Speaker 1: the assassination. And we know what happened to those who
Speaker 1: tried to talk.
Speaker 3: Okay, so you're saying that we have Dulles as aware
Speaker 3: of the event, and Angleton and Atlee Phillips making sure
Speaker 3: there was a patsy to take the blame, but who
Speaker 3: actually orchestrated This.
Speaker 2: Evidence leads us to the ZR Rifle Chief Bill Harvey
Speaker 2: as the strategist and General Charles Willoughby as the tactician.
Speaker 2: Willoughby and Harvey then tapped the mafia and the Cuban
Speaker 2: exiles to help provide the shooters.
Speaker 7: I think Harvey and Rosselli and a couple other guys
Speaker 7: were the people who were training the assassins, and the
Speaker 7: theory is that Harvey decided to direct those assassins against Kennedy.
Speaker 3: That's Robert Blakey again. You'll remember he was in charge
Speaker 3: of the House Select Committee on Assassinations in nineteen seventy nine.
Speaker 3: They concluded that President Kennedy was murdered as a result
Speaker 3: of a conspiracy.
Speaker 2: Harvey's hatred for Kennedy was well documented. He hated the
Speaker 2: president's politics, and he saw his path toward peace as
Speaker 2: the act of a trader, and he hated Kennedy personally
Speaker 2: for banishing him to Rome. As we know, Harvey was
Speaker 2: also in charge of the CIA's program of hiring assassins
Speaker 2: to kill political leaders around the world, and Willoughby was
Speaker 2: as staunch and Handi Communist as you could find. He
Speaker 2: was deeply involved in organizations like the John Birch Society
Speaker 2: and others that would stop at nothing to destroy the
Speaker 2: Red menace. He also had a history of involvement in
Speaker 2: violent black ops.
Speaker 1: The assassination in Dallas came directly out of the Operation
Speaker 1: Northwoods and ZR Rifle playbooks. It had been implemented against
Speaker 1: world leaders many times, just never at an American target.
Speaker 3: I'm sure the audience, just like me, needs a moment
Speaker 3: to digest all this.
Speaker 1: To me, the names of the shooters and the men
Speaker 1: behind them is less important than the reason it happened.
Speaker 1: Kennedy represented progress. He wanted to move us away from
Speaker 1: nuclear annihilation toward peace, but sadly it prompted a coup
Speaker 1: that profoundly changed history.
Speaker 3: Up next, why it matters that we're asking that question today?
Speaker 3: I came into the story interested in whether the question
Speaker 3: who killed JFK? Could actually be answered? And to what
Speaker 3: degree did this question destabilize American's faith in our country's leadership.
Speaker 3: The murder of President Kennedy seems to be a moment
Speaker 3: where trust was replaced with growing skepticism. Here's Robert Blakey,
Speaker 3: who led the House Select Committee on Assassinations in nineteen
Speaker 3: seventy six, who still puzzles over it almost forty years later.
Speaker 3: Do you think who killed JFK Is even a relevant
Speaker 3: and important question today?
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 7: If you talk to young people today, they're turned off
Speaker 7: by the society in which they live. They're cynical. Where
Speaker 7: did the cynicism come from? I think the cynicism that
Speaker 7: are characteristic of young people today are not entirely related
Speaker 7: to but are the outcome of the cynicism over the
Speaker 7: War On Commission War.
Speaker 3: To this day, a US president was assassinated, and it's
Speaker 3: likely that the real perpetrators were not held accountable. The
Speaker 3: fact that some of these perpetrators may have been officials
Speaker 3: in the US agencies designed to protect us is likely
Speaker 3: the very reason why people like rob continue to pursue
Speaker 3: this question. That and the fact that clues and leads
Speaker 3: just keeps slipping out, like the Katzenbach Memo, which ordered
Speaker 3: the Warren Commission to pin it all on Oswald that
Speaker 3: was only revealed in the nineteen seventies, the expose about
Speaker 3: George Joan Edes, the CIA liaison to the House Select Committee,
Speaker 3: that only came out in two thousand and one, And
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty three, former Secret Service agent Paul Landis
Speaker 3: came forward with a testimony that throws into question the
Speaker 3: single bullet theory. It's impossible to stand at a fixed
Speaker 3: point in history and say with one hundred percent certainty
Speaker 3: we know who killed JFK. Because the story continues to evolve.
Speaker 3: So then what does closure look like? You're never gonna
Speaker 3: know for sure. There is no document that eventually someone
Speaker 3: releases that says, okay, here was the plot in full.
Speaker 2: I think the only closure you get is that you
Speaker 2: come to certain conclusions. So this podcast series is going
Speaker 2: to show that there was a huge cover up going on.
Speaker 3: To people like Dick Russell crystallizing his theory is closure.
Speaker 3: For others like Jefferson Morley, closure isn't up to us.
Speaker 8: The CIA records that are still classified they will help
Speaker 8: answer this question.
Speaker 3: In other words, as long as the government is holding
Speaker 3: on to records, this story isn't over. But as time passes,
Speaker 3: even that becomes more complicated.
Speaker 8: You know, one thing that we see is when they
Speaker 8: release these records, you know, people who would have been
Speaker 8: really interesting to interview have died.
Speaker 5: They can't talk anymore.
Speaker 8: This guy writes a detailed memo. His name didn't come
Speaker 8: out until twenty twenty two, you know, and when we
Speaker 8: get the name, you going, look, the guy died in
Speaker 8: twenty seventeen. You know, if we'd had that document in
Speaker 8: twenty seventeen, that would have been a very important interview.
Speaker 3: For historians like John Meacham. It's about what America might
Speaker 3: have been had Kennedy survived.
Speaker 9: It is tempting to want to see our martyred King
Speaker 9: as wiser and better than he might have turned out
Speaker 9: to be. But it's not nostalgic to say that the
Speaker 9: Kennedy of sixty one was not the Kennedy of sixty two,
Speaker 9: and that Kennedy of sixty two was not the Kennedy
Speaker 9: of sixty three.
Speaker 3: I think there's a piece of Americana that feels like,
Speaker 3: if Kennedy had survived, the country would have avoided the
Speaker 3: view now moar, because that's what Kennedy was promising when
Speaker 3: he was murdered. It's impossible to know if that would
Speaker 3: have happened. But it's enticing to envision that alternate reality.
Speaker 3: And after spending time with Dick and Rob, I've come
Speaker 3: to see how that reality may be a bastion of
Speaker 3: healing in what otherwise is a wound in their psyche.
Speaker 3: The loss of President Kennedy happened in their formative years,
Speaker 3: and the way they describe it, it was like losing
Speaker 3: a parent. The reason they want they need to know
Speaker 3: the truth is because only then are they able to heal. Rob,
Speaker 3: you're handing the story off to the next generation. What
Speaker 3: do you hope for?
Speaker 1: I hope they continue to demand the truth from their government,
Speaker 1: and not just about what happened to President Kennedy, but
Speaker 1: as a way of coming to grips with our past.
Speaker 1: If we want to continue to strive for a more
Speaker 1: perfect union, in order to preserve our democra, it has
Speaker 1: to be built on a foundation of truth.
Speaker 3: Who Killed JFK is hosted by Rob Reiner and me
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