1 00:00:03,279 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: I found myself being addicted to it, where I'm like, okay, oh, 2 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 1: it's been too peaceful for two weeks. 3 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:08,880 Speaker 2: Okay, we need to get in a fight or something, 4 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:10,480 Speaker 2: you know, and I'm like, why am I doing this 5 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 2: to myself? It's self solmitaged, you know what I mean. 6 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:16,800 Speaker 3: We have such derogatory names for people who are attached 7 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 3: to drama or dependent on stress, as opposed to actually 8 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 3: understanding this is truly an addiction. There's a sense of 9 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 3: power that actually comes from being in the throes of drama, 10 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 3: and it's intoxicating. 11 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:33,839 Speaker 1: It just makes you feel alive for a second. 12 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:44,240 Speaker 2: Happy Monday, Welcome back to the podcast. I hope you 13 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:48,240 Speaker 2: gause are feeling great. I am feeling I'm feeling good. 14 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:50,560 Speaker 2: I can't complain. I have a lot on my mind. 15 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:52,840 Speaker 2: I've been very pensive. 16 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 1: The past couple of weeks. 17 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 2: But I feel good and I'm happy, and I think 18 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 2: this week's episode is going to be a really good 19 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 2: one and one you'll find interesting because it's about our. 20 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:04,919 Speaker 1: Addiction to drama, y'all. 21 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 2: Today's guest is going to explain to us what that means, 22 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:10,960 Speaker 2: what it looks like, and how we can deal with it. 23 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 2: So stay tuned. This is Cheeky's and chill. Okay, So 24 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 2: our guest today is the wonderful doctor Scott Lyons. He's 25 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 2: a holistic psychologist, an educator and author of the new 26 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 2: book Addicted to Drama, Healing, Dependency on Crisis and Chaos 27 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 2: in Yourself and others. 28 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 1: Ooh, Scott, Hello, welcome, how are you. 29 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 3: I'm great, How are you doing. 30 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 1: I'm fabulous. Congratulations on your new book. 31 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:43,679 Speaker 3: Thank you so much. 32 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 1: I love it. 33 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 2: I love the title, which is why you are here 34 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 2: because I want to talk about your book. I want 35 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 2: to talk about all things drama. 36 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 3: We love the drama. 37 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, right, Is it just like a human thing or 38 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 2: is it just it is? 39 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 3: We all have some we're all on the scale of 40 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:05,919 Speaker 3: an addiction and drama to some degree. And right, it's entertaining. 41 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 3: There's like we get something out of it too. It's 42 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 3: not all bad, as we'll probably talk about. 43 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 2: Yes, okay, so let's just let's dive right into it. 44 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 2: I think it's super fascinating. I did reality TV for 45 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 2: what about ten years, and it was we were the 46 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 2: first Latin reality show, so I'm very proud of that. 47 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 2: But as the years went on, I felt like they 48 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:30,920 Speaker 2: wanted more and more drama like stuff was being created 49 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:34,080 Speaker 2: that I was like, why why can't we just And 50 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 2: I even see it with my post sometimes, so I'll 51 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:39,079 Speaker 2: post something super positive on Instagram and it doesn't get 52 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 2: as many like interaction. It doesn't get a lot of interaction. 53 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 2: It's to say when I post I don't know, like 54 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:46,360 Speaker 2: my ass or something, and it's like, yeah, you know 55 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 2: the more skin And I'm like, dude, I just wrote 56 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 2: something so beautiful my past post and you guys ignored it. 57 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 1: Why tell me why it's true? 58 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 3: I mean, there are certain emotions that garner or get 59 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 3: more attention, so like fear, aggressiveness, and seductiveness, like these 60 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 3: are evolutionarily the things that grab our attention the most, 61 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 3: and we're going to attend to them. And this is 62 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 3: the danger of media in general. It's because they know this, 63 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 3: so they're going to produce content that elicits the most 64 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 3: amount of attention they can and it has a cost. 65 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:27,359 Speaker 3: It has a cost, meaning like that's what we get 66 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 3: inundated with. 67 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 2: Yes, And do you think that it's something that has 68 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 2: been it's been like this for forever for a long time, 69 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 2: or has it just been getting worse throughout the years 70 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 2: or is it social media? 71 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 1: Like what do you what's your opinion on that? 72 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 3: Yeah? So I mean this, this sort of addiction to 73 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 3: drama has always been here, like but in small doses 74 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 3: and small amounts. But with the like, you know, the 75 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 3: invention of social media, it became a stage to which 76 00:03:56,360 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 3: everyone could perform their drama. And you know, there's something called, like, 77 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 3: it's this interesting theory called attentional economy. So it's like 78 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 3: it's basically saying, your attention is the most most important 79 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 3: commodity we have in the world. So I will do 80 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 3: anything at any cost to get your attention. And what 81 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:19,840 Speaker 3: gets your attention is what we kind of talked about before, 82 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 3: the like fear sexuality. It's something that will gets you 83 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 3: a stress response. Yeah, And so anything I can get 84 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 3: a rise out of you from is going to get 85 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:34,159 Speaker 3: your attention, and I win at a cost. 86 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 1: At a cost. Yeah. 87 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 2: And do you think it has to do with also 88 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 2: like age or is it just because See the. 89 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:42,719 Speaker 1: Thing is when I in my earlier years, in my 90 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 1: younger years, I. 91 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:47,280 Speaker 2: Did feel like even in relationships, I felt like I 92 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:50,040 Speaker 2: just I get I used to get that high of like, Okay, 93 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:51,160 Speaker 2: why is everything so peaceful. 94 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 1: Okay, let me just try to pick a fight or something. 95 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 2: And I grew up and I saw my mom go 96 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:58,279 Speaker 2: through that with her relationships, and it could be that, 97 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:02,720 Speaker 2: but I found myself being addicted to it where I'm like, Okay, oh, 98 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:04,480 Speaker 2: it's been too peaceful for two weeks. Okay, we need 99 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 2: get in a fight or something, you know, And I'm like, 100 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:07,719 Speaker 2: why am I doing this to myself? 101 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 1: It's self solitaged, you know what I mean. 102 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 3: It's so many things like yeah, if it's been modeled 103 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 3: for us, if I mean, we're all so familiar with 104 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:17,480 Speaker 3: interrupting our own peace, Like when was the last time 105 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:20,279 Speaker 3: you took a meditation class or a yoga or bath 106 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 3: or walked through like a beautiful flower garden and started 107 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 3: thinking about like what you have to do next, or 108 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:28,720 Speaker 3: a fight you had with someone, or even making up 109 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:31,480 Speaker 3: a fight in your head, or think about what you 110 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 3: have to do for work on the following day. It's like, no, 111 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:37,039 Speaker 3: it's so hard for us as a culture, in our 112 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:41,160 Speaker 3: urgency culture, to be at peace, but especially if it's 113 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:44,039 Speaker 3: been modeled by our family members, where it's like if 114 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:48,600 Speaker 3: fighting in high intensity and chaos and crisis is the 115 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 3: love language is the currency of love, then we will 116 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:54,280 Speaker 3: mirror that in our own relationships. 117 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what. 118 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 2: And then I went to therapy and you know, and 119 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:02,600 Speaker 2: it was, wait, this is not healthy and I want 120 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:06,159 Speaker 2: to break if you want to call them generational curses, 121 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 2: like I want to be different, and now now I 122 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:13,600 Speaker 2: find myself it just makes me feel I don't know 123 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 2: if anxiety is the right word, but if there's just 124 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:19,160 Speaker 2: too much drama or too much like even gossip in 125 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 2: a table, I just I'm like, ugh, I'll go to 126 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 2: the restroom or I'm just like, you know what, I 127 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:24,279 Speaker 2: don't know. 128 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 1: I don't have the mental space. Maybe that's another thing. 129 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 2: I feel like I don't have a lot of mental 130 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 2: space anymore now that I'm like in my thirties, I'm like, uh, 131 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 2: hold on, like my brain, I have other things I 132 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 2: have to worry about. So I'm thinking, I wonder if 133 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:36,839 Speaker 2: it'll just get better as we get older. 134 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 3: I think there's that I think you've clearly done the 135 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 3: work that like that's a sign of healing, where it's 136 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 3: like something inside of you, the alarm system is like, actually, 137 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 3: I don't need this extra stress. I don't need this chaos. 138 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 3: I don't need it anymore, and it doesn't feel right, 139 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:55,720 Speaker 3: it feels toxic, and so like what we might call anxiety, 140 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:59,040 Speaker 3: it's just your internal alarm system that says, none of 141 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:02,840 Speaker 3: this shit no more. And that's a deep sign of healing. 142 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 3: I mean, before that, it's often like we get bored 143 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:09,159 Speaker 3: and we have to like tolerate the boredom because we're 144 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 3: so used to being in the fluctuations of life, of chaos, 145 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 3: of gossip, of like, you know, all the things that 146 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 3: disturb our peace, and there's something satisfying about it. 147 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, you feel like a high. 148 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 3: You know, you literally are high. So it's part of 149 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 3: the stages of stress. In the first and second stage 150 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 3: of stress, which is called activation and mobilization, which is 151 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 3: like your body's getting ready to do something and then 152 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 3: you do it. You actually release endorphins, you release pain 153 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 3: relief in your body, and you get attacked. Yeah, so 154 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 3: we get it really attached to the pain relief that 155 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 3: comes with getting high off the stress, and we become 156 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 3: attached to it. And what's really fucked up is we 157 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 3: get withdrawal symptoms when we don't have it in the 158 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 3: shape of anxiety and boredom. 159 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's Okay, well that makes sense. 160 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 2: Yeah wow, you know, oh because where I was at 161 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 2: before and now where I'm at now, and you said 162 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 2: a key word, and this is like for the listeners. 163 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 2: If you're out there and you tend to be drawn 164 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 2: to like more drama on TikTok and all the social media, 165 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 2: you know, maybe this is something, this is this is 166 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 2: the the episode for you. But I mean, I'm not 167 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 2: saying that I don't. There's there are times where I'm like, 168 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 2: I feel toxic right now. I want to like I 169 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 2: want some shit in my life. Yeah, I want to 170 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 2: stir some shit up, but healing. Do you do you 171 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 2: feel that that that's probably what it is. It's is 172 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:35,960 Speaker 2: it safe to say, in other words, that people that 173 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:39,679 Speaker 2: are more addicted to drama or gossip or whatever, even 174 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 2: cyber bullying, is that someone that I mean, is it 175 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:45,719 Speaker 2: safe to say that there they need some healing in 176 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 2: their life, some meditation, some sin. 177 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:50,680 Speaker 3: Yeah. Look, you're not an asshole. You're not fucked up 178 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 3: just because you have some propensity for drama. Like if 179 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 3: you like those relationships you had in your twenties where 180 00:08:56,920 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 3: you're like, it's peaceful, I'm gonna stir some shit up. 181 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:03,840 Speaker 3: And then actually felt closer to them through like this, 182 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 3: like the stirring, the chaos, all of that. It doesn't 183 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:09,960 Speaker 3: mean you're a bad person. And that's such an important 184 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:13,960 Speaker 3: thing because like we have such derogatory names for people 185 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:17,200 Speaker 3: who are attached to drama or dependent on stress. We 186 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 3: call them drama queens. It's like a really inflammatory like 187 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 3: attack on them as opposed to actually understanding like this 188 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:30,320 Speaker 3: is truly an addiction that people cannot help. It is 189 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 3: a way that they are chasing the drama to avoid 190 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 3: their trauma. 191 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 2: Okay, wow, to avoid their okay, yeah, because it's something 192 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 2: that just excites us for a second, you know, and 193 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 2: you know, going back to my twenties and fighting with 194 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 2: my you know, partners, it was just because I was like, okay, yeah, 195 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 2: because the makeup sex is going to be so awesome. 196 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 2: So yeah, let's just you know, fuction it up a 197 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:53,960 Speaker 2: little bit. And I'm like, but I'm like, oh my god, no, 198 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 2: I want to be different or whatever. 199 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 1: I said it. 200 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 2: The other day, I was like, I'm not a fusica anymore. 201 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 2: I'm not toxic anymore, you guys, I promise only once. 202 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 3: Why we dabble in the toxic drama shit. Yeah, and 203 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:09,200 Speaker 3: you know it's it has that excitement like there's a 204 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:14,319 Speaker 3: reason we all watch shit on TV, or like it's intoxicating. 205 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 3: It's like the suspense of it, the stress of it. 206 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 3: There's a sense of power that actually comes from being 207 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 3: in the throes of drama, like when you're really in 208 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 3: a heightened stress response, there is a release of all 209 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 3: those endorphins. But also you feel powerful like yes, I 210 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 3: mean literally, there's shit coursing through your veins, hormones coursing 211 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 3: through your vein to make you actionable, to make you 212 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 3: powerful to do something, and it's intoxicating. Mm hmm. 213 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:44,960 Speaker 1: It just makes you feel a life for a second. 214 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 2: You know, why did you decide to write a book 215 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 2: on this particular topic? 216 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 1: Did something happen? Did you just feel drawn to it? 217 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 2: Like, tell us a little bit more about your book 218 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 2: and then why the why behind it? 219 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 3: Well, I come from a long lineage of dramatics and 220 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 3: I did not fall far from that tree. I grew 221 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:16,080 Speaker 3: up just chaotic. And it's not like again, like I 222 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 3: wasn't a bad person. I just like you, kept finding 223 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 3: these relationships that were toxic that I knew wouldn't work, 224 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 3: that I could get into constant fights with I would 225 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 3: make things bigger than they actually were. I would exaggerate, 226 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 3: I would intensify my emotions, my energy, my attention were 227 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:39,440 Speaker 3: all bigger than what actually needed for a situation. It 228 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 3: would be like blowing out a birthday candle with a 229 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 3: fire extinguisher when you have your breath right here, or 230 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:50,080 Speaker 3: it's starting to sprinkle outside a little rain, and you 231 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:54,200 Speaker 3: jump into a hurricane shelter. On the inside, it makes sense, 232 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 3: there's like this total way in which your energy, your attention, 233 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:01,720 Speaker 3: your emotions are disproportionate to the action or what's needed. 234 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 3: And on the outside everyone's like what the fuck, Like 235 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 3: what's wrong with you? But it's so justified. It makes 236 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:12,080 Speaker 3: so much sense. Like the internal reality is like this 237 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 3: is my survival. Yeah, this is what needs to happen. 238 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 3: I have to get into that fight. And we don't 239 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 3: recognize that we are the problem because our internal world 240 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:27,720 Speaker 3: is such chaos in avoiding the trauma, navigating the internal pain, 241 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 3: that we feel so out of sync with the rest 242 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:34,439 Speaker 3: of the world that we go seek or create the 243 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 3: circumstances the chaos on the outside world in order to 244 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 3: match our internal world so we don't feel so alone 245 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:42,320 Speaker 3: in this fucking world. 246 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, and is there like a special pill? Is there 247 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:51,080 Speaker 2: a solution? Is there a cure? Is this treatable? 248 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 1: You know what I mean? 249 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 2: Just because, like you said, there's nothing necessarily wrong with you. 250 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 2: It's just I feel like, you know what, that's the 251 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 2: world that we live in today, and it is a choice. 252 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:02,719 Speaker 2: I mean, I choose to say, you know what, now, 253 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm in a different. 254 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 1: Space, you know. 255 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 2: But it does entertain you sometimes, you know, I love 256 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:11,200 Speaker 2: watching the Kardashians, and you know, there's like a lot 257 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:14,080 Speaker 2: of there's drama, you know what I mean, everywhere And 258 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 2: I'm not gonna say I don't enjoy it, but I'm 259 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 2: just like, what can we do or what do you 260 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 2: suggest for us to be less addicted to drama? 261 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 3: Well, the first thing I always recommend is start to 262 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:29,560 Speaker 3: notice where you interrupt your own peace, where you feel 263 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:34,320 Speaker 3: like a little edgy around stillness or quietness. And it's 264 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:36,440 Speaker 3: not to say that that's what life should always be 265 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:40,200 Speaker 3: about as quietness, stillness, but it is a deep important 266 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:44,320 Speaker 3: part of our own process of restoring our own energy 267 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 3: so that we can be adaptive and functional in this world. 268 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 3: It's like to say, if you never sleep, you would 269 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 3: probably go, oh, there's something wrong with that, but it's 270 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 3: so hard to recognize that you never actually rest or settle. 271 00:13:57,040 --> 00:13:59,959 Speaker 3: So start to recognize, like go take them at it 272 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 3: tation class and notice all the ways that you start 273 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:07,079 Speaker 3: to interrupt your ability to find peace or stillness or 274 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 3: quietude or ease. And when you can start to recognize it, 275 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:14,200 Speaker 3: you can start to interrupt and go ooh, do I 276 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 3: want to challenge or interrupt this piece? Or am I 277 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 3: safe enough in this moment to truly settle to find ease? 278 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 2: And I do want to be clear guys, anyone and 279 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 2: everyone that is listening here, that there is a difference 280 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 2: between being a cyber bully and that type of drama 281 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 2: of like you're picking fights and you're out there like 282 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 2: commenting bad things to people or just being. 283 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 1: Judgmental, yeah, or just being a douche. 284 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 2: Okay, you know what I mean, Like, don't be a douche, 285 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 2: but I as yeah, exactly. 286 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 3: But it's like, why are you picking fights? Like It's true. 287 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 3: It's like I have people who troll me all the 288 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 3: time on social media, and I think it's funny to 289 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 3: be honest and sad because I have no reaction to it. 290 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 3: I was like, Oh, you have no idea what it 291 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 3: was like to grow up in my household, So my DearS, 292 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 3: nothing you say could even get a rise out of me. 293 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're like whatever, whatever, bless. 294 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 3: You for trying it, and you're just not witty or 295 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 3: funny enough to actually get a response from me. But 296 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 3: I also don't like. There was one time someone was 297 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 3: writing in It was a couple of months ago, and 298 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 3: I started writing a response and I was like, Oh, 299 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 3: my gosh, what am I doing. I am joining into 300 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 3: their chaos, And I was like, I don't need that 301 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 3: in my life. I'm having a great fucking day and 302 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 3: doing this. I'm gonna think about it later. I'm gonna 303 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 3: go tell all my friends what I wrote. I'm going 304 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 3: to screenshot it and put it into my stories, and 305 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 3: for what, it's going to keep the energy of that 306 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 3: shit alive, the chaos about alive that I don't need 307 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 3: and no one else actually needs. Absolutely, the best medicine 308 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 3: is truly not engaging. 309 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 2: That's what I was gonna say. You have the choice 310 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 2: of either engaging or not. And in the beginning of 311 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 2: my career, I got so much crap. I got just oh, 312 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 2: if it wasn't oh you're fat, you can't sing, just 313 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 2: so much stuff and it would really hurt my feelings. 314 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 1: I'm like, why are people so mean? Like they don't 315 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 1: even know me? 316 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 2: And I would just say it would really make me 317 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 2: sad because I would never do that, like honestly, I 318 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 2: wouldn't sit there and be like, oh you have I 319 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 2: don't know just anything. 320 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 1: I just you know. 321 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 2: So it just took me a while to understand. And 322 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 2: I used to engage and I used to say, you 323 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 2: know what, you don't even know me this, and is 324 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 2: that we would go back and forth and it would 325 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 2: rob so much of my time, my value, time, and 326 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 2: my energy, my mental space until I just realized, dude, 327 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 2: there's something going on there that I'm not going to 328 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 2: be a part of and I'm not going to give 329 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 2: it more light, you know, because I'd start realizing there 330 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 2: were people that would call me fat and I'd go 331 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 2: to the profile and they were sometimes even bigger than me, 332 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 2: and I'm just like, what are you doing? That is 333 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 2: not nice. You shouldn't call anyone fat, even if you 334 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 2: think they're fat, and it's just like dude, so that 335 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, then I'm not going to take it personally, 336 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 2: but it was hard to get to that point and 337 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 2: get over that little hump, to be honest. 338 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 3: It's so hard. And first of all, you're amazing, and 339 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 3: it speaks so much to your own fucking journey of 340 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 3: being able to be so entrenched and in the like 341 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:20,280 Speaker 3: the tornado of their chaos because they need that. They 342 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:23,159 Speaker 3: need that to feel in relationship to other people. I 343 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:25,719 Speaker 3: need you to be at my pain level so that 344 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 3: we can relate. It's truly, it's what's called weaponized empathy. 345 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:33,160 Speaker 3: And it's like, I'm in such deep pain. I need 346 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:35,640 Speaker 3: you to feel my pain because that's the only way 347 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 3: I can actually understand connection and relationship. 348 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know what that's now I pray for 349 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 2: those people. I'm like, you know what, I live in 350 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 2: the Universe's hand, in God's hands, because that's wow. 351 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 1: Yes, that's what it is. 352 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 3: You know. 353 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 2: I'm like, you know what, something's going on? Or even 354 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:53,640 Speaker 2: with road rage, you guys. I you know someone before 355 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 2: I'd be like, man, f you and you know they 356 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 2: would cut me off or flip me off or something, 357 00:17:57,080 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 2: and I'm like, oh whatever, I literally I go blow. 358 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:01,439 Speaker 1: My kiss baby. 359 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:03,639 Speaker 2: I swear I'm just like, I'm not even trying to 360 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:06,360 Speaker 2: be petty. I'm just like, you know what, Bibyby, I'm 361 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 2: not going to let you ruin my day. I am 362 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:10,440 Speaker 2: too busy, I have too much going on, and you're 363 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 2: not going to function up for me, you know. 364 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:14,880 Speaker 3: And on the flip side of that, it's like it's 365 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 3: you know, us walking away from that chaos. The people 366 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:20,879 Speaker 3: who instigated is also kind of sad because it's like 367 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 3: that is their way of trying to connect of related. 368 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 3: It makes no sense because it's just about making sensation. 369 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:31,919 Speaker 3: It's about them having this deep experience of chaos and 370 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:35,280 Speaker 3: crisis and you know, stirring shit up so they can 371 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 3: somehow in that world of chaos feel connected. 372 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:39,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, give us some type of satisfaction. 373 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, satisfaction. You know in my family, like when things 374 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:47,160 Speaker 3: were bad, that's when you were most seen. That's when 375 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 3: you were most attended to. And so like when I 376 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:52,920 Speaker 3: was sick, when I would get in trouble at school, 377 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 3: when I would pick fights with my sister or other people, 378 00:18:56,119 --> 00:19:00,440 Speaker 3: I got attention. So that becomes my currency of love. 379 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 3: I go in my brain wires going, oh, when I 380 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 3: stir shit up, when I'm not okay. When things aren't okay, 381 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:11,400 Speaker 3: when I'm a victim whatever it is, that's when I'm 382 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 3: truly going to be seen and that's what I carry 383 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:16,399 Speaker 3: into the rest of my life. From my childhood. 384 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:20,160 Speaker 2: Well, you guys, listen to that. 385 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:20,879 Speaker 1: That is that is huge. 386 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:23,359 Speaker 2: A lot of it has to do with our childhood 387 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:26,239 Speaker 2: and the attention that we got, and thank goodness, my 388 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:28,640 Speaker 2: mother was very tough. She was just kind of like 389 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 2: if I was trying to act up to get attention, 390 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 2: it was like it was not happening. She's like, especially 391 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 2: with stuff that I went through as when I was younger, 392 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:37,359 Speaker 2: like sexual abuse and stuff, She's like, I'm not going 393 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:38,440 Speaker 2: to let you victimize yourself. 394 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 1: You're not. 395 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:41,399 Speaker 2: No, we got to keep going. It is what it is, 396 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:43,159 Speaker 2: and I'm so grateful for that. It's just kind of like, 397 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:45,639 Speaker 2: this is a hard knock life and you got to 398 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:48,480 Speaker 2: keep going. But I do see that in other people 399 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:50,879 Speaker 2: that I know, and I won't say names, you know 400 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 2: that I'm like, oh damn, it has to do with 401 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:55,240 Speaker 2: and there's nothing wrong with it, guys. It's just recognizing 402 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:58,440 Speaker 2: it and just saying, okay, what makes me happier. Basically, 403 00:19:58,480 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 2: at the end of the day, doesn't make you about 404 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:02,119 Speaker 2: a per it's just let me if you want to 405 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:04,160 Speaker 2: heal it, if you want to live a more peaceful life, 406 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:13,919 Speaker 2: that's on you. You got to recognize it now, Scott, 407 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 2: since you are from New York and I know you 408 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 2: guys are like, again, super straight up. We're going to 409 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:20,639 Speaker 2: talk about a touchy subject and maybe people are you 410 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:23,399 Speaker 2: gonna get a little weirded out. But do you feel 411 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 2: that women are more prone to drama than men? Or 412 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:30,920 Speaker 2: is it the same or is it men more than women. 413 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:34,680 Speaker 3: I love this question because I think people have such 414 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:37,040 Speaker 3: an opinion coming in and they want me to validate 415 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 3: that opinion. It was on this talk show where this 416 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:45,480 Speaker 3: guy who's total douche, just a total fucking sexist douche, 417 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 3: which is not my vibe, and he was like, don't 418 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 3: you think women are more dramatic than men? I was like, no, 419 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:53,440 Speaker 3: what I think you're doing in the question is dramatic 420 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:55,359 Speaker 3: and trying to get me to put logs on your 421 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 3: fire of drama and I'm not interested. 422 00:20:58,520 --> 00:20:59,200 Speaker 1: I love that. 423 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:02,880 Speaker 3: What I will say is in a culture where there 424 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:06,120 Speaker 3: are often gender norms like men do it this way 425 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:09,399 Speaker 3: and women do it this way, we often follow suit, 426 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:13,120 Speaker 3: not that it's actually that way, Like it's more acceptable 427 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 3: quote unquote for women to share emotions, then the drama 428 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:22,360 Speaker 3: might be intensified and exaggerated through the vehicle of emotions. 429 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 3: If men are more expected to go do like crazy 430 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:28,879 Speaker 3: shit like jump out of a plane and you know, 431 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:33,240 Speaker 3: like whatever, Broia other shit that I've never done, then 432 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:37,800 Speaker 3: then the extremes, then the drama, the intensification, the exaggeration, 433 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:42,199 Speaker 3: the you know, disproportionate reactions are going to show up 434 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:44,440 Speaker 3: in those ways. It might show up in fights, it 435 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:47,399 Speaker 3: might show up controlling, it might show up and jumping 436 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:50,680 Speaker 3: out of a plane or bungee jumping over and over again. 437 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:53,720 Speaker 3: It's but it has It doesn't matter what the action 438 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 3: or the vehicle. If the drama is, it's all about 439 00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:59,159 Speaker 3: what is it doing to your nervous system. What is 440 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 3: it doing to your and your physiology and your brain. 441 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 3: It's all creating this REVVN stress response that you're living 442 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:08,680 Speaker 3: off of like a fucking battery pack. 443 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 1: Damn. I love that you're just like boom. This is 444 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:12,640 Speaker 1: what it is. 445 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 2: And now that we're on this topic, Okay, guys, I 446 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 2: don't know if you know, hopefully guys like men listen 447 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 2: to my podcast. But men that listen to my podcast, Okay, 448 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:24,119 Speaker 2: I want you guys. I just want you guys to 449 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:29,359 Speaker 2: know something. Yes, as women, we're just yes, we're more emotional, 450 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:32,879 Speaker 2: we're more connected to our emotions, whatever you want to 451 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:35,040 Speaker 2: call it. But please don't ever tell a woman are 452 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 2: you on your period? You must be pmsing. 453 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:39,959 Speaker 1: Dude. I cannot with that. I cannot with that. 454 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:45,200 Speaker 3: Also, every single fucking human on this planet has hormone cycles, 455 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:49,239 Speaker 3: So sis men or whatever you want to call it, 456 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:52,679 Speaker 3: if that's you know where we're going. It goes on 457 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 3: three month cycles versus one month cycles, and so every 458 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 3: sis man also has certain time periods where they have 459 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 3: hormonal flexes and responses to those hormonal flexes. So it's 460 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 3: an absolute asshole thing to say to anyone as supposed 461 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 3: to just been like, hey boo, where are you at? Like, 462 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,440 Speaker 3: what's happening? How you feel? And what do you need? 463 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 2: You good? 464 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:18,440 Speaker 3: You know you're good? 465 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:22,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, come here, let me give you a hug, you know. Yeah, Okay, 466 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:24,160 Speaker 1: I just wanted to say that because I was. 467 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:27,120 Speaker 2: Say wait before I appreciate it. Let me just let 468 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:30,159 Speaker 2: the guys know, you know, it's not cool guys. Okay, 469 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,640 Speaker 2: we go through a lot as women. Okay, So anyways, well, 470 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 2: and it's so genderized. 471 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 3: I mean, like we have the term, the vernacular term 472 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 3: drama queen, but no one says like drama king or 473 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:45,200 Speaker 3: drama they you know, like the the you know, it's 474 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:49,520 Speaker 3: so specific and and so like it's in our language system. 475 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:53,400 Speaker 3: How expected that drama is in a specific gender when 476 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:58,919 Speaker 3: it's it's not. It's absolutely not because the It's like 477 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:02,320 Speaker 3: it's like saying one addiction only belonged like the alcohol 478 00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:04,200 Speaker 3: addiction only belongs to one gender. 479 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 1: I love that. 480 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:07,440 Speaker 2: I love that you we just cleared that up. It's 481 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,879 Speaker 2: not about oh, women are more dramatic than men. No, 482 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 2: I just feel like it just has to do with 483 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:17,399 Speaker 2: our internal stuff, you know, whether you have a penis 484 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 2: or a vagina. 485 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:22,359 Speaker 3: Yeah. Look, and if you were someone who grew up 486 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 3: in a household where emotions were repressed, suppressed, you know, 487 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 3: locked down, or certain emotions were locked down, then the 488 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 3: expression of it by another person is going to seem 489 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:39,200 Speaker 3: bigger because yours is so small. Yes, it's all about perception. 490 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 2: It's all about perception, you guys. Okay, how do you 491 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 2: deal with someone who's addicted to drama because it could 492 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:46,879 Speaker 2: be tiring to be pulled into that. 493 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:51,440 Speaker 3: Yeah. Look, if I ask every one of your audience members, 494 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 3: do you know someone addicted to drama, They're all going 495 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 3: to raise their hand, maybe both hands probably and jump 496 00:24:57,680 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 3: up and down and be like this person, this person, 497 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 3: and yeah, like you. Even right now, you can think 498 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:05,159 Speaker 3: of a few people. Now if I said to your audience, now, 499 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:08,399 Speaker 3: raise your hand if you're addicted to drama, most of 500 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,679 Speaker 3: them would not raise their hand. You and I are 501 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:13,640 Speaker 3: being very transparent because we've gone through the healing process 502 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 3: and are able to go like, oh shit, we were 503 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,919 Speaker 3: attached to that shit, we were dependent on that. But 504 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:21,400 Speaker 3: the majority of us are going to be focusing on 505 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 3: how to deal with other people who are addicted drama. 506 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 3: How do we conserve our energy? And it's a really 507 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 3: important question because here is something crazy. An addiction to 508 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 3: drama or someone who is constantly in stress is contagious. 509 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 3: It is physiologically contagious. If I start to get anxious 510 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:46,679 Speaker 3: and stress out, I'm getting nervous because I'm talking it 511 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 3: with celebrity that you could and you know you're going 512 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:56,399 Speaker 3: to you have these special neurons, this special part of 513 00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,919 Speaker 3: your body that actually start to pick it up register 514 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 3: and mirror my response. And that's so crazy, right. And 515 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,640 Speaker 3: So when we think about, like how do I deal 516 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,439 Speaker 3: with someone who's addicted to drama like my mom, my 517 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:14,919 Speaker 3: sister in law, my brother, my whomever, my teacher, my 518 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 3: blah blah blah, it's not just walking away. It's also 519 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:22,760 Speaker 3: dealing with the fact that we are having a similar 520 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:26,280 Speaker 3: response in our body as they are producing as part 521 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 3: of their own addiction to drama distress. 522 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, And like I said earlier too, like I have 523 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,560 Speaker 2: a few people and I take them in doses or 524 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,359 Speaker 2: sometimes I'm like I love this person and I accept 525 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,240 Speaker 2: them for who they are and I'm not going to 526 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:41,359 Speaker 2: judge your criticize, and I don't want It's not like 527 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:42,639 Speaker 2: I don't want them in my life. 528 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:43,720 Speaker 1: I just don't engage. 529 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,720 Speaker 2: And also I mentally and emotionally prepare before I hang 530 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,199 Speaker 2: out with them, just kind of like cover myself. I 531 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 2: do it like mentally spiritually, and I'm like, okay, I 532 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,560 Speaker 2: have meditated. I'm good, and no matter what happens today, 533 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,200 Speaker 2: no one else should be able to disturb that because 534 00:26:58,240 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 2: I have already centered myself. 535 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 3: I've learned yeah. 536 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,280 Speaker 2: And if there's just someone that's completely toxic and it's 537 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,199 Speaker 2: just not good for me, then that that is so 538 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 2: different from oh, they're just you know, they're just like 539 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 2: they like cheese, may they like this, they like that, whatever. 540 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 2: You know, If the person's toxic, I'm like, I'm so sorry. 541 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:13,439 Speaker 1: I love you. 542 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 2: I'm gonna love you from far away. You're just not 543 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,920 Speaker 2: good for me. But I do have a friend, and yeah, 544 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:20,600 Speaker 2: that's basically what I do. I'm just like, Okay, I'm 545 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 2: gonna mentally prepare because I got to hang out with 546 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,879 Speaker 2: this person and that's it, and I'm okay, it doesn't 547 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 2: affect me the way it used to. 548 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,600 Speaker 3: That's another sign of deep healing is where we can 549 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:32,119 Speaker 3: be resilient in the face of other people's chaos and 550 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 3: crisis and be like, oh, I'm not going to be 551 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:38,880 Speaker 3: pulled in to your tornado of crisis. I'm just I'm 552 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 3: going to keep grounding and anchoring myself. I'm going to 553 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:44,120 Speaker 3: do the work on me so that if I want 554 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 3: to be in relationship to you, I can be. I'm 555 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,680 Speaker 3: gonna set my boundaries. I'm going to be like, babes, 556 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 3: I love you, I have a half an hour for you, 557 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 3: or you know, it's really We're going to go take 558 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 3: a walk. I'm not going to be stuck in a 559 00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,240 Speaker 3: room with you where I can't motor and move some 560 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 3: of my own reasons re sponse that I'm having about you. Yeah, 561 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:04,920 Speaker 3: so I go we go take a walk around the lake, 562 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:08,639 Speaker 3: or hey, I love that you have or I totally 563 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:10,359 Speaker 3: hear you have a lot of stuff going on in 564 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,240 Speaker 3: your life. It feels hard. I get that. I also 565 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 3: need from my own preservation, like ten minutes of us 566 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,960 Speaker 3: talking about like the good of the world, or like 567 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 3: some cool shit that's happening. A TV show that's actually 568 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,719 Speaker 3: like feels positive and exciting, whatever it is, or like 569 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:29,200 Speaker 3: this podcast I just listened to about drama. Yep, whatever 570 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 3: it is. Yeah, whatever it is. It's like, you are 571 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 3: in charge of your own health. If you want to 572 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:39,480 Speaker 3: be with someone or be in proximity to someone who 573 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 3: is addicted to drama, take your power. 574 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,760 Speaker 2: Back, Yes, yes, take your power back. And there is 575 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:48,920 Speaker 2: so much power in saying no, thank you. And you 576 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:52,040 Speaker 2: know what, I'd rather not talk about that, you know, 577 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:53,600 Speaker 2: or I don't want to hear about it. 578 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 1: Can we talk about something else? 579 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 2: Like the way Scott just said like, there is just 580 00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 2: so much power in that and just you know, and 581 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 2: that person doesn't respect it, that's. 582 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,800 Speaker 1: An indication that maybe you shouldn't hang around. 583 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:06,920 Speaker 2: Or be around that person if they can't respect your 584 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:08,960 Speaker 2: decisions and your wishes. 585 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:10,680 Speaker 1: Scott, thank you so much. 586 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,880 Speaker 2: Honestly, I enjoyed the conversation and I know my listeners 587 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:15,760 Speaker 2: will too. And I want you to please share your 588 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,720 Speaker 2: social media. Where can everyone find you? Do have a website? 589 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:19,600 Speaker 1: Tell me all of it? 590 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,560 Speaker 3: Oh? Thank you well, first of all, thank you, and 591 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 3: thank you for your interest and your radical transparency. Yeah, 592 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 3: people can find me. I'm on social media's at doctor 593 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:35,680 Speaker 3: Scott Lions. Dr Scott Lions. I have a website if 594 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:39,040 Speaker 3: you want to take a quiz about are you addicted drama? 595 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:41,080 Speaker 3: Do you know someone addicted drama? There's a quiz on 596 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 3: my website. It's kind of fun. I can love that. 597 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:46,719 Speaker 1: I love quizzes, by the way, you love quizzes. 598 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:48,240 Speaker 3: All right, I'm going to send you the quiz and 599 00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:51,840 Speaker 3: we are going to compare our answers. Compare answers from 600 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:53,840 Speaker 3: like now versus when we were in our twenties. 601 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:54,720 Speaker 1: I love that. 602 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 3: Oh my god. 603 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:57,520 Speaker 1: Okay, yes, and. 604 00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:01,400 Speaker 3: That's at dr Scoutlions dot com as well, and you 605 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,320 Speaker 3: can get the book wherever you want, wherever It's books 606 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:04,840 Speaker 3: are sold. 607 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 1: And yeah, yeah, check it out. 608 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 2: It is called Addicted to Drama, Healing, Dependency on Crisis 609 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,760 Speaker 2: and Chaos in yourself and others. You guys, so check 610 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:18,440 Speaker 2: it out. But you, guys, thank you so much for listening. 611 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:20,680 Speaker 2: And as you know, I like to leave you with 612 00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 2: a quote, and the quote is those who spend time 613 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:33,040 Speaker 2: looking for the faults and others usually spend no time 614 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:34,920 Speaker 2: to correct their own. 615 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,280 Speaker 1: Damn play that back, rewind that. 616 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:47,360 Speaker 2: Okay, that's yeah, Mike drop. Yes, thank you guys so 617 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:49,120 Speaker 2: much for listening. I love you guys, and I'll see 618 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,280 Speaker 2: you here on the next episode of Cheeky's and Chill 619 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:59,400 Speaker 2: Best those guys, do you need advice on love, relationships, 620 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,760 Speaker 2: health emas. 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