Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan
Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex Barth.
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Speaker 4: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex Barr.
Speaker 3: The general sense or feeling that I get around the
Speaker 3: team right now. This is not a report, So Dov
Speaker 3: climbing like, don't don't hit me with the I'm just
Speaker 3: telling you.
Speaker 4: Was always king telling you what I'm feeling as a
Speaker 4: person that's around the team quite a bit. Catch Catch.
Speaker 3: What What's going on? Everybody a new time, New time
Speaker 3: morel a ten am. Patriots Catch twenty two And this
Speaker 3: might be a permanent time for us Barth because the.
Speaker 4: Patriots of the regular city.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Patriots have decided to change up the locker
Speaker 3: room schedule a little bit, and so because of that,
Speaker 3: we we have moved into the mornings so that Alex
Speaker 3: and I can go and uh and do our our
Speaker 3: our day jobs, as I like to call him, and
Speaker 3: actually you know, talk to some people and cover the
Speaker 3: team and you know, do some some big jay journalism potentially,
Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't I don't think we do
Speaker 3: much of that, but we try I mean, you.
Speaker 4: Were all hot and bothered about the thing I wrote
Speaker 4: about punting the ball off the scoreboard in Dallas. That
Speaker 4: was as close as journalism as like. Yet meanwhile, that
Speaker 4: game ended up that ended up being an afterthought.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah that that was not a factor in that game.
Speaker 3: But what is a factor? And I want to talk
Speaker 3: about this off the top from a big picture since,
Speaker 3: but the Patriots won a football game, Alex, on Sunday.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you if you heard the Patriots
Speaker 3: won a football game on Sunday against the Bills, a
Speaker 3: twenty nine point offensive breakthrough. Can we can we call
Speaker 3: it that offensive coming out part signs of life life?
Speaker 3: So maybe that's that's where we're at. And I think that, uh,
Speaker 3: you know, my my initial thoughts on it. And on Tuesday,
Speaker 3: you know, I'm damned if I do damned if I don't, Alex,
Speaker 3: because I I have been negative for five weeks, six
Speaker 3: weeks of the season, rightfully, so at one in five
Speaker 3: and you know they're too negative, YadA, YadA, YadA. Then
Speaker 3: then I give everybody their flowers on Tuesday for beating
Speaker 3: the Bills a game they haven't won in like five years,
Speaker 3: like literally, and uh. And and now I you know,
Speaker 3: too positive a fair weather fans that the other thing,
Speaker 3: all right, whatever the point is is, h I think
Speaker 3: that this is one of the hardest things about being
Speaker 3: so entrenched in the Patriots world and having to cover
Speaker 3: the team on a day to day basis, in a
Speaker 3: week to week basis, is that it's very difficult even
Speaker 3: for for us to not ride the wave of the season, right, Like,
Speaker 3: when they lose, it's everybody stinks and everybody should be fired.
Speaker 3: And when they win, it's so well, playoffs back on
Speaker 3: and there's a path and you know five and five
Speaker 3: at the buy is in play, and like all you know,
Speaker 3: all that type of stuff that we talked about on Tuesday,
Speaker 3: And that's difficult. And I think what the most important
Speaker 3: thing that Sunday taught me, and you know, just looking
Speaker 3: myself in the mirror and say, hey, you got to
Speaker 3: be better about this a little bit, is that you
Speaker 3: have to see the long game here, right, And I
Speaker 3: think we all we all recognize that this team has flaws.
Speaker 3: We all recognize that the team building philosophy of this
Speaker 3: regime and its current state has flaws. Based off of
Speaker 3: what we've seen in the first seven games of the season,
Speaker 3: and one win doesn't completely abolish them from all the
Speaker 3: things that have gotten us here. But at the same time,
Speaker 3: we have to wait, unfortunately, I think, until we make
Speaker 3: a final declaration on the coach and you want to
Speaker 3: call them the g to you know, Belichick just in general,
Speaker 3: Mac Jones, the whole operation, until we get to January
Speaker 3: and we see what the record is and how the
Speaker 3: season looked, and you know, I think it's beyond just
Speaker 3: wins and losses. It's also just how it feels and
Speaker 3: how it looks, and how they play and things like that.
Speaker 3: And right now we're in the roller coaster. We're on
Speaker 3: the roller coaster ride. But at the same time, we
Speaker 3: got to be able to see the forest through the
Speaker 3: trees sometimes. And that's where I'm kind of at right now,
Speaker 3: is you know, resetting the state of the Patriots a
Speaker 3: little bit off the top here, and how much does
Speaker 3: this win against the Bills, which again is a game
Speaker 3: just in terms of the way that it unfolded, and
Speaker 3: also the fact that it's the Bills. They haven't won
Speaker 3: this game in three or four years, really since Brady
Speaker 3: in nineteen So how does this change your overall outlook
Speaker 3: of the team moving forward.
Speaker 4: So everything you just said about you know, we gotta
Speaker 4: ride the wave and things are gonna change, we gotta
Speaker 4: do a show today. Well, here's the thing, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I don't know that I learned anything. And here's what
Speaker 4: I mean by that. Here's what I mean by that. Okay,
Speaker 4: what did they change? What was different in this game
Speaker 4: that they suddenly won? Mike and went who played right
Speaker 4: tackle to Mario Douglas, played a significant amount of game.
Speaker 4: They used their pass rushers as pass rushers and their
Speaker 4: coverage players as coverage players. They ran the ball. Who's
Speaker 4: been talking about if you start doing some of the well,
Speaker 4: it can be collective. It's both of us. But I'm saying,
Speaker 4: like when when we were out of camp in the
Speaker 4: summer and we were you know, we were coming on
Speaker 4: here saying, hey, you know there's something here, and we're
Speaker 4: getting calls in YouTube coming. Oh no, it's three win team.
Speaker 4: It's a four win team, and all those people are
Speaker 4: trying to take the victory lap. Right earlier in the
Speaker 4: season when we said this is you know, an eight
Speaker 4: nine win team, they'll push for a playoff spot. This
Speaker 4: is the team we saw. This is the team we
Speaker 4: were talking about. Now, I'm not saying like everything. I
Speaker 4: don't think mikeun Winn, who could have been playing right
Speaker 4: tackle all season. I know he was hurt. He didn't play.
Speaker 4: I know he couldn't write yeah tomorrow. Douglas had concussion
Speaker 4: and also just is a rookie year and he's a
Speaker 4: rookie and they have to you know, they shouldn't have.
Speaker 4: They were a little too aggressive, was sitting him down
Speaker 4: after the fumble. But I understand easing him in two
Speaker 4: Like I get these things. But it's not like they
Speaker 4: came out. Did they do anything on Sunday that you
Speaker 4: watched and were like, wow, what a what a wrinkle? Yeah,
Speaker 4: couldn't have seen that coming.
Speaker 3: You did not couldn't see it coming. But I thought
Speaker 3: that they went in the first five weeks of the
Speaker 3: season and this really started at after the half in Vegas,
Speaker 3: Like I would say this really started in the third
Speaker 3: and fourth quarter against the Raiders. They just they didn't
Speaker 3: make the changes on the offensive line, and they didn't
Speaker 3: have they didn't have pop right it he was out
Speaker 3: with the concussion. So those two combinations made it so
Speaker 3: that it wasn't quite as good as what we saw
Speaker 3: on Sunday against Buffalo. But I would say that the
Speaker 3: biggest change, and this is why I've been giving so
Speaker 3: much praise to Bill O'Brien and the game plan and
Speaker 3: the play calling on Sunday, the biggest change was this
Speaker 3: the way they played offense. Like they they went from
Speaker 3: they went from me screaming about how archaic they are
Speaker 3: on offense and they're just running the ball up the
Speaker 3: middle with no window dressing and no motion and no
Speaker 3: thread of an RPO or play action or anything, to
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, now they they that opening drive
Speaker 3: where you know against Buffalo, I know they only got
Speaker 3: a field goal out of it, but just the way
Speaker 3: they moved the football, they look like the Miami Dolphins.
Speaker 3: Like they come out and first play they're they're motioning
Speaker 3: Douglas and throwing the ball to him in the flat.
Speaker 3: The next play they're they're building off that motion and
Speaker 3: they're running the ball off motion, and then they're bootlegging
Speaker 3: and hitting Faroh Brown for on the on the boot
Speaker 3: action and it's like, oh, like, what whose offense is this?
Speaker 3: Like where did this come from? So I think my
Speaker 3: biggest takeaway from that on an offensive perspective, and this
Speaker 3: is what I think you're kind of getting at is
Speaker 3: I think they were always building up to this point.
Speaker 4: So that's kind of my point. And I'm not sitting
Speaker 4: here saying, oh, they should have used that game plan
Speaker 4: like the first seven weeks this season. I get they
Speaker 4: couldn't for various reasons, so they probably could have done
Speaker 4: it more than they did.
Speaker 3: But I did try it. I just don't think that
Speaker 3: the effectiveness of it was anywhere near as good.
Speaker 4: In some maybe, but I this is the offense you're
Speaker 4: expecting them to run the whole time. Rights That's kind
Speaker 4: of my point. It's like, hey, the stuff we talked
Speaker 4: about this summer when we were optimistic is still there.
Speaker 4: It took them a while to get to it. For
Speaker 4: various injuries, coaching decisions, other stuff. It took them a
Speaker 4: while to get to it. But the stuff that I'm
Speaker 4: sitting there, it's, you know, the Leo DiCaprio meeting where
Speaker 4: he's porting at the TV. That was me is like
Speaker 4: seeing the Patriots, seeing the training camp Patriots show up
Speaker 4: in late October and it's like whoa, yeah, there they are.
Speaker 4: That's kind of what this game was for me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just I think The main thing that you
Speaker 3: saw that was so so different about it is how
Speaker 3: much window dressing the offense has. And when I talk
Speaker 3: about you know, you're talking about motion, right, Like whether
Speaker 3: you're actually giving the ball to the player in motion
Speaker 3: or he's just running across the formation as a threat
Speaker 3: of getting the football. Either way, it's manipulating the defense.
Speaker 3: It's causing some sort of chain reaction in the defense,
Speaker 3: whether it's a communication thing or it's you know, moving
Speaker 3: bodies literally of like, okay, we're in man coverage, so
Speaker 3: now we have to follow the player in motion, which
Speaker 3: makes this a three receiver side and now that's a
Speaker 3: two receiver side. And it just changes the picture for
Speaker 3: the defense. And it does it instantly at the snap,
Speaker 3: So you have to do this on the fly and
Speaker 3: there's no real pre snap time to communicate how we're
Speaker 3: going to handle this, and Buffalo had a really difficult time.
Speaker 3: I felt like, not just handling the motion itself, but
Speaker 3: then also handling the chain reaction as a result of
Speaker 3: the motion. And that was what I really took away
Speaker 3: from this game was how much they are motioning, how
Speaker 3: much they are running RPO now, how much they are
Speaker 3: sequencing the motion into the run game, like that very
Speaker 3: first form Andre carry that goes for fourteen yards. Like
Speaker 3: there's orbit, then there's misdirection in the blocking scheme, and
Speaker 3: there's all these different moving parts, And like I said,
Speaker 3: it looked like the San Francisco forty nine ers, Like
Speaker 3: there's just so much different things going on. And I
Speaker 3: think from Bill O'Brien's perspective, you mentioned the injuries and
Speaker 3: the guys that have been out and the offensive line
Speaker 3: and things like that, I think that they were always
Speaker 3: trying to get to this point, and I think it
Speaker 3: was always going to take time because these types of
Speaker 3: offenses that run their system like this, it doesn't happen overnight.
Speaker 3: You have to build up.
Speaker 4: I guess where I come from with that. Remember at
Speaker 4: the end of camp they were talking about how they
Speaker 4: were like ahead of schedule. Yeah, yeah, So that's where
Speaker 4: I'm like, they were a head of schedule and that
Speaker 4: it took them seven weeks.
Speaker 3: I just well, I don't know, I get it. I'm
Speaker 3: not saying the two are different.
Speaker 4: I'm not saying the two are contradictory, Yeah, right, because
Speaker 4: they where you are in camp and where you are
Speaker 4: facing actual opponents are two different things. Right, was this
Speaker 4: weird dichotomy of they finished camp so strong, yeah, and
Speaker 4: then to start the season the way they did was
Speaker 4: a little jarring.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So I think they were always building up to
Speaker 3: this point. I think a couple of things happened. One
Speaker 3: obviously the injuries on the offensive line and just the
Speaker 3: offense in general not really finding a rhythm of players
Speaker 3: that they could use every week in and week out.
Speaker 3: Then you have, I think secondly to that, you really
Speaker 3: you had to give Bill O'Brien some time to figure
Speaker 3: out how to use the personnel. And we're at that
Speaker 3: point now, and I get that some of us could
Speaker 3: have looked at it, and some of us did and said, oh, well, shocker,
Speaker 3: Like if you feature Kendrick Bourne and to Mario Douglas
Speaker 3: and you move on Whenny to write tackle like, it's
Speaker 3: gonna look it's gonna be better, right, like like a
Speaker 3: big surprise. But I still think that when you have
Speaker 3: a new coordinator and you have a guy that is
Speaker 3: trying to install a system and trying to get his
Speaker 3: system up and running, it's gonna take time for him
Speaker 3: to realize. Juju Smith Schuster on jet motion is not
Speaker 3: having the same effect on the defense as Pop Douglas
Speaker 3: in jet motion, right like that, just those two things
Speaker 3: are not equal. And early on in the season, if
Speaker 3: you look at it from more of like a rate
Speaker 3: standpoint or an actual volume standpoint, they were using a
Speaker 3: lot of these motions and things like that already early
Speaker 3: on in the year, But unfortunately, the guys they were
Speaker 3: doing it with just weren't making any sort of impact
Speaker 3: on the defense when they did it. They were doing
Speaker 3: it a lot with Juju, They were doing it a
Speaker 3: lot at a heavy personnel grips with Micah Sicki.
Speaker 4: They tried it with Devonte Parker at one point.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like it just it it wasn't effective, right, And
Speaker 3: now all of a sudden, they look at it in
Speaker 3: week seven and you're seeing Pop Douglas, you're seeing Kendrick Bourne,
Speaker 3: you're seeing Taekwon Thorton. Maybe we'll see Jalen Rager, which
Speaker 3: we can talk about in a little bit as well,
Speaker 3: if we want to go there. And you're seeing these
Speaker 3: faster players being used in these in these schemes, and
Speaker 3: now all of a sudden, it does have an impact
Speaker 3: on the defense, and it does make an impact on
Speaker 3: the whole overall offense. So I think they were always
Speaker 3: building up to this point. And the last thing I
Speaker 3: would say is that I truly and we knew this
Speaker 3: all along, just in terms of the longevity of the
Speaker 3: team as well. But I think in the first couple
Speaker 3: of weeks of the season, they were really hoping the
Speaker 3: defense was going to carry them, and they knew that
Speaker 3: the offense was gonna take some time. There was a
Speaker 3: lot of work, and we knew this as well. There
Speaker 3: was a lot of work to do on the offensive
Speaker 3: side of the ball for Bill O'Brien. He had to
Speaker 3: figure out the offensive line, He had to put the
Speaker 3: quarterback back together, he had to figure out what he
Speaker 3: had personnel wise in the skill position groups. He had
Speaker 3: to integrate some new faces in that skill position group,
Speaker 3: you know, new tight end, new receivers, things like that.
Speaker 3: And there is a lot to fix from last year,
Speaker 3: just bad habits, poor fundamentals, like all these types of things,
Speaker 3: and that stuff was not going to happen overnight. So
Speaker 3: what happened, in short, is that the loss of snowball
Speaker 3: on them quickly early on in the season. I think
Speaker 3: that they thought, all right, if we're two and four,
Speaker 3: three and three, and then the offense starts to hit
Speaker 3: its stride. Week seven, Week eight, now we have a
Speaker 3: we're humming right right. Unfortunately, what happened was they got
Speaker 3: blown out and back to back weeks and all of
Speaker 3: a sudden they're one and five and they look up
Speaker 3: in the season is almost over essentially, So I think
Speaker 3: that that's all well and true. The last thing, you know,
Speaker 3: from a big picture standpoint, I wanted to talk about
Speaker 3: was was Mac and just the way that he played
Speaker 3: in this game. We're gonna do three up, three down,
Speaker 3: and I'm sure we'll talk about him a little bit
Speaker 3: more during that as well. But with Mac, I came
Speaker 3: away from this game. For the most part. There were
Speaker 3: some Dallas New Orleans Mac moment where he had happy
Speaker 3: feet in the pocket and was panicking a little bit
Speaker 3: under pressure and things like that. But I would say,
Speaker 3: on the whole, his footwork, his mechanics in the pocket,
Speaker 3: his reads, his timing, his trust of the offensive line
Speaker 3: was night and day compared to what we saw in
Speaker 3: the previous three weeks. And you know, we have all
Speaker 3: of us, and I'm gonna I'm gonna say all of
Speaker 3: us and speak for everybody. We have all been really critical.
Speaker 3: I think at different times of Mac Jones, and he
Speaker 3: has gotten a lot of heat locally here in this market,
Speaker 3: and understandably, he hasn't played well this year a lot,
Speaker 3: you know, on the whole, he has not played well
Speaker 3: in this season, and he didn't really particularly played well
Speaker 3: play well last year either. But he's gotten a lot
Speaker 3: of heat. And as much as you know, Rob Gronkowski
Speaker 3: doesn't want us to celebrate like we're winning the super
Speaker 3: Bowl and things like that for beating Buffalo, I do
Speaker 3: think that it's okay to give him some flowers that
Speaker 3: he played a good game and in the fourth quarter,
Speaker 3: he was excellent in this game, probably his best fourth
Speaker 3: quarter that if we take out the like the the
Speaker 3: fake comebacks right like when they're down by fourteen, and
Speaker 3: he puts a couple drives together in terms of just
Speaker 3: going toe to toe with Josh Allen, this was probably
Speaker 3: his best fourth quarter as a Patriot. And obviously that
Speaker 3: that game winning drive, I had a couple of really
Speaker 3: really high level throws and plays by the quarterback to
Speaker 3: get them down the field. I know the screen was
Speaker 3: kind of the big play that kind of got things going,
Speaker 3: but obviously the third down throw. But I really thought
Speaker 3: that the throw to Parker on the slant, the throw
Speaker 3: to Remandre underneath on the little angle route, in the
Speaker 3: touchdown throw. All those throws I thought were good high
Speaker 3: level quarterback play, and he got them down there. He
Speaker 3: won the game, and you know, I'm glad. I'm happy
Speaker 3: for him because you just like shut up some of
Speaker 3: the doubters and some of the haters myself included, honestly
Speaker 3: for the first six weeks of the season, and uh,
Speaker 3: you know, it was great to see it. And I now,
Speaker 3: like he said, yesterday, god do it again, right, Like
Speaker 3: it's one thing to do it once, but now you
Speaker 3: got to keep doing it again and again. And uh,
Speaker 3: you know, I I look back on it, and I
Speaker 3: do wish that I was like a little less critical
Speaker 3: of him in the first six weeks of the season,
Speaker 3: not because, like I, but we have been on this
Speaker 3: show pretty pro Mac and yeah and pretty uh you know.
Speaker 3: We We've told you guys why we feel like he's
Speaker 3: not succeeding here. And I feel like we've blamed the
Speaker 3: right people for his failures, right, Like, I don't feel
Speaker 3: like we've been wrong to blame Belichick, to blame the
Speaker 3: supporting cast, to blame whatever abomination.
Speaker 4: That coach, and we put to blame on Mac as
Speaker 4: well on Yeah, but I think we've carved up that
Speaker 4: blame pie pretty fairly. Yeah, it's kind of my take
Speaker 4: on Mac is kind of the same as my take
Speaker 4: on whole game. That's the guy we're talking about this
Speaker 4: summer when we said, hey, look he's bouncing back. They
Speaker 4: may have something here, they may have fixed them. That
Speaker 4: that's the guy and I when you protect him, he
Speaker 4: distributes the ball. Well, that's what the offense should look like.
Speaker 4: The really interesting number Evan I thought from that game
Speaker 4: he had not just a season low, but a career
Speaker 4: low average depth of target, but his highest yards per
Speaker 4: completion of the season. And that's Mac Jones make the read,
Speaker 4: distribute the ball, and when you have playmakers around him,
Speaker 4: when you have guys like to Mario Douglas and guys
Speaker 4: like Kendrick Bourne who can create after the catch, that's
Speaker 4: how you get this thing going. That is exactly what
Speaker 4: their offense should be. That's what all it should have been.
Speaker 4: That's what it looked like. The bigger now, the overarching
Speaker 4: element of it is I think that game, for better worse,
Speaker 4: was the Patriots best punch. I think that's I think
Speaker 4: there's another I think maybe there's like one more level,
Speaker 4: but that's about what you're gonna get. How many more
Speaker 4: times can they throw that punch? That's it And and
Speaker 4: that applies to mac Jones as well. That's mac Jones
Speaker 4: in his element, and he can play a little better
Speaker 4: than that, but that's mac Jones in his element. He
Speaker 4: hasn't been in his element. I thought he I know,
Speaker 4: you don't think he was. I thought he was in
Speaker 4: the Philly game, but that was two months ago. Now, Yeah,
Speaker 4: how many more games can you get were mac Jones
Speaker 4: in his element? How many more games can they max out?
Speaker 4: Because if it's they got ten games left, right, they're
Speaker 4: not gonna make nobody MAXs out one hundred percent of
Speaker 4: the games. The best teams don't do it right. Patriots
Speaker 4: almost did once. Uh, if you get eight more games
Speaker 4: of that, and that doesn't mean they win every game, Like,
Speaker 4: I don't know, do they beat the Chiefs playing that way?
Speaker 4: I don't know everybody else on their schedule they probably do. Yeah,
Speaker 4: but just with injuries and things that have gone on,
Speaker 4: Miami will be tough. We'll get to that. But do
Speaker 4: you get eight more games of that Patriots team. Do
Speaker 4: you get five more? Do you get two more? Do
Speaker 4: you get any more?
Speaker 3: And I think that's kind of the question right now, right,
Speaker 3: And that's how you determine, like off, you know, kind
Speaker 3: of my big picture takeaway, that's how you sort of
Speaker 3: determine where you go from here twenty four exactly.
Speaker 4: And I thought, you know, Greg Bedard wrote something after
Speaker 4: the game that Mac checked all the boxes he needed
Speaker 4: a check or he answered all he said. Greg said,
Speaker 4: he answered all the questions. I agree ninety percent with that.
Speaker 4: I think in terms of handling pressure, in terms of
Speaker 4: the fourth quarter comeback, in terms of you know, the
Speaker 4: whole twenty five points thing, the opponent scoring twenty five
Speaker 4: it being Josh Allen in Buffalo and a team that
Speaker 4: had haunted him. There was one box he didn't check
Speaker 4: in that game that he was never going to be
Speaker 4: able to check in that game. And that's consistency. And
Speaker 4: that's where this this should have been the conversation we
Speaker 4: were having week one, Week two, Week three was all right,
Speaker 4: you did it, great, Can you do it again? Can
Speaker 4: you do it? Over the course of the season, it
Speaker 4: took us two week seven to get to that conversation
Speaker 4: but here we are. We've seen him do it, and
Speaker 4: there's been people trying to tell us that he couldn't
Speaker 4: do that. He just did it. Can't take that away
Speaker 4: from he just did it. But now it becomes all right,
Speaker 4: can you it doesn't have to be every week, but
Speaker 4: more weeks than not. Can you do that in a
Speaker 4: significant portion of the weeks? Can you do it where
Speaker 4: you dig out of this hole, you get back to
Speaker 4: five hundred, you make this a playoff chase. And I
Speaker 4: think most I'm talking about the team as a hole there,
Speaker 4: not just Mac, but I think for Mac importantly, we
Speaker 4: can bring this concept back. Now. Can Mac lead the
Speaker 4: team that way enough times that they win enough games
Speaker 4: that they're not drafting in a spot where they can
Speaker 4: get his replacement, That they're not picking high enough to
Speaker 4: draft Drake May, that they're not picking high enough to
Speaker 4: draft Michael Penix, And maybe they do the Jalen Hurts
Speaker 4: thing and they take a quarterback in the second or
Speaker 4: third round, but those guys aren't immediate replacements.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 3: That's where Mac Jones is at right now in terms
Speaker 3: of the twenty twenty four outlook. Right, Yeah, it's so
Speaker 3: much easier to move forward as a football team. If
Speaker 3: you don't need to draft a quarterback, it's so much easy.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, no, then Marvin Harrison Junior is back on
Speaker 4: the table. Joel if shan or on the table, Jared Verse,
Speaker 4: if you want to go the eye, I wouldn't, But I.
Speaker 3: Think the tackler wide receiver is on the table. You're
Speaker 3: gonna like people don't know who any of these people are.
Speaker 3: Tackle or wide receivers back on the table and building.
Speaker 3: Mac Jones keeps playing with Mac Jones is back on
Speaker 3: the table. And that is a much to get to
Speaker 3: from point A to point B. That's a much faster line, yes,
Speaker 3: right than it is to start all over with Drake
Speaker 3: may or Michael Pennix and build the whole thing back up,
Speaker 3: because then you don't have that asset anymore, right, if
Speaker 3: you don't have the first round pick anymore to draft
Speaker 3: Unfortunately you know they don't have two first round picks
Speaker 3: like you know, like the Texans.
Speaker 4: You just you have to be confident that Max the
Speaker 4: guy you're gonna give that extension. That's basically or at
Speaker 4: least pick up the fifth fifth year eyes. I think
Speaker 4: you're confident if he plays that way, that's a guy extend.
Speaker 4: That's a guy you can build around.
Speaker 3: I definitely think you're trending towards the fifth year option
Speaker 3: at the very least.
Speaker 4: I will say this though, Yeah, so I think the
Speaker 4: Patriots played well independently, I think they executed at a
Speaker 4: good level. Yeah, I don't know when we get to
Speaker 4: the end of the season if Buffalo is going to
Speaker 4: be as quality of a win as we think it
Speaker 4: is right now.
Speaker 3: Oh god, we can do that in the Sunday. You
Speaker 3: can take your victory lap on the Bills. In a second,
Speaker 3: but last couple of things here about about this game
Speaker 3: from you know, kind of a bird's eye view, and
Speaker 3: then we'll get into some calls and we'll do three up,
Speaker 3: three down. Last thing on Bill O'Brien, I think you
Speaker 3: know some of the things that you talked about in
Speaker 3: terms of the stats, like his average air yard per
Speaker 3: attempt and how efficient he was despite really not throwing
Speaker 3: the ball much down the field. To me, that's a
Speaker 3: scheme stat like that, that's a play calling stat. And
Speaker 3: when I tell you, I truly think that this is
Speaker 3: one of the best coordinated games on both sides of
Speaker 3: the ball that the Patriots have had in my time
Speaker 3: covering the team, Like it's up there with some of
Speaker 3: the game plans that they had in like eighteen and nineteen.
Speaker 3: To me offensively, Bill O'Brien created all those easy access
Speaker 3: type to throws for mac Jones right, using the motion,
Speaker 3: using the quick game, using the horizontal width of the field.
Speaker 3: The Patriots are still still even in this game, the
Speaker 3: Patriots can't throw the ball vertically down the field. They
Speaker 3: have no vertical threats even like Pop Douglas is the
Speaker 3: closest thing that they have to it. But like that's
Speaker 3: more of that fifteen to twenty five yard range right
Speaker 3: seam throws things like that, you know, slot fades or
Speaker 3: he drops it in the bucket, you know, farrow brown
Speaker 3: right seam shot, like you know, twenty twenty five yards.
Speaker 3: They don't have a vertical element of the game. So
Speaker 3: what Billy Oh has said is, all right, you guys
Speaker 3: are gonna play a lot. You're gonna crowd in the
Speaker 3: middle of the field. You're gonna play man coverage on
Speaker 3: the outside, or you're gonna play match coverage on the outside,
Speaker 3: and you're gonna make us beat you down the field.
Speaker 3: So what we're gonna do is we're gonna spread you out.
Speaker 3: We're just gonna run a horizontal stretch type of offense
Speaker 3: to spread out the field, and it's gonna create openings
Speaker 3: and conflict in the short part of the field for
Speaker 3: Mac Jones to just make the layups in this offense.
Speaker 3: And I really thought until they got into that fourth
Speaker 3: quarter and they needed him to make some money throws
Speaker 3: in the fourth quarter a lot they were carried in
Speaker 3: the first three quarters by the play calling, Like they
Speaker 3: were really carried in that sense, and they created a
Speaker 3: lot of these different openings for Mac to make throws
Speaker 3: that he's capable of making off of window dressing, off
Speaker 3: of play action, off of RPO, like at all these
Speaker 3: different things. And that's that's their offense. Like, that's gonna
Speaker 3: have to be the way that they scheme it up.
Speaker 3: If you're not gonna be able to challenge defenses vertically
Speaker 3: down the field, you have to be able to stretch
Speaker 3: it horizontally, right, And that's where all these different things
Speaker 3: that we're talking about came into play in this game,
Speaker 3: and that's how they were able to do that. Defensively,
Speaker 3: I think girod Mayo and Steve Belichick deserve kudos as well.
Speaker 3: I thought that that game plan was the best they've
Speaker 3: had against Josh Allen in a couple of years. They
Speaker 3: did not do what they did last year against him.
Speaker 4: Can I rephrase that?
Speaker 5: Sure?
Speaker 4: I think it's the best they've had against Diggs. I
Speaker 4: think what they did against Alan was similar. I think
Speaker 4: it's more changes on the back end. I don't know,
Speaker 4: I might disagree with that, Okay. I think Diggs would
Speaker 4: have had a huge game of Fallon played better. Oh no,
Speaker 4: that's true. But they didn't. What I meant was the
Speaker 4: last couple of years they faced him, they just took
Speaker 4: a corner, stuck him on Diggs shadow with help, and
Speaker 4: it just wasn't enough. They changed the looks and Digs
Speaker 4: still beat them some of the time, certainly, and he
Speaker 4: had two walking touchdowns that Josh Allen just missed, like missed.
Speaker 4: But it wasn't just jac Jackson shadowing Stefan Diggs's safety
Speaker 4: over the help. It was jac Jackson, it was Jack Jones,
Speaker 4: it was Jonathan Jones. There was some more zone mixed
Speaker 4: in there, like they gave him. It felt like the
Speaker 4: last couple of years Stefan Diggs knew just like all right,
Speaker 4: if I run by this guy. That's it. That's it,
Speaker 4: and it's gonna be the same guy every time, and
Speaker 4: I can kind of work and work to release package
Speaker 4: and figure out the tendencies and once I have that down, boom,
Speaker 4: I'm gone. He couldn't do that. There was no rhythm,
Speaker 4: there was no pattern. Well, I think through the kitchen sinkat.
Speaker 3: I think the lack of rhythm and pattern was because
Speaker 3: of the pass rush. They they blitzed down fifty percent
Speaker 3: of the time, okay, and they came after him and
Speaker 3: what they they had a great rush plan of like
Speaker 3: sending five or six guys, but then one guy would
Speaker 3: like hang back. It was a lot of the time
Speaker 3: it was Juwan Bentley and spy him, and so when
Speaker 3: the pressure flushed him, they had a set like another
Speaker 3: layer of pass rush.
Speaker 4: So there's kind of like what they did against Jalen
Speaker 4: hurts a little bit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, uh yeah, I think so right, I'm trying
Speaker 3: to remember that.
Speaker 4: I think that was more done. It wasn't so much
Speaker 4: that was more like they'd flush him to have a spy.
Speaker 4: This was more they would have, like I guess it layers.
Speaker 4: I don't know what the technical term would be, like
Speaker 4: layering the rush itself rather than a spy might be
Speaker 4: the better way to phrase it.
Speaker 3: But yeah, this this one, I think that you know,
Speaker 3: Bentley was a spy, Yeah, a true dedic spy in
Speaker 3: a lot of these cases. But I think what the
Speaker 3: big thing is is that in past matchups against Josh Allen,
Speaker 3: they have allowed him to extend plays like with points.
Speaker 3: Like it's like calmly, like just kinda da da da
Speaker 3: da da da da. Okay, Like I'm just gonna run
Speaker 3: over here for a little bit and then run over
Speaker 3: there for a little bit, and you can't cover my
Speaker 3: guys for five seconds, like you just can't. So eventually
Speaker 3: somebody's gonna come open. In this game, when Allen was
Speaker 3: throwing with extended play, he was throwing under pressure, and
Speaker 3: he was throwing early, like they made him throw it
Speaker 3: and make a decision quickly when he got on the
Speaker 3: move instead of letting him just delay delay, delay, and
Speaker 3: then all of a sudden, you got you know, Digs
Speaker 3: down there, you got gave Davis, you got the tight ends,
Speaker 3: and someone's gonna get open eventually. In this game, they
Speaker 3: did a really great job of pressuring him initially and
Speaker 3: then having that second wave to kind of pin him
Speaker 3: to the sideline or make him make a throw quickly
Speaker 3: and on the move. Even rushed and he just he
Speaker 3: looked panicked, like he looked disheveled in this game, and
Speaker 3: you have to get him. We we talked about this
Speaker 3: last year. I'm trying to remember how he phrased it,
Speaker 3: because I think we phrased it the right way. But
Speaker 3: they remember last year we had that. I think it
Speaker 3: was going to the second game like they didn't they
Speaker 3: didn't hit him.
Speaker 4: Last year.
Speaker 3: They were very they were like dropping eight guys into
Speaker 3: cut like they were trying to know.
Speaker 4: But I mean, I mean even when the guys, even
Speaker 4: when people got to him, they weren't finishing their hits.
Speaker 4: And this game, like he that whole second half, most
Speaker 4: second half, he takes a hit from Christian Barmore early.
Speaker 4: I don't remember it was a sack or a pressure,
Speaker 4: but he took a hit from Barmore early in the
Speaker 4: second half and the rest of that game, if you
Speaker 4: go back and watch it, he's wincing every single play.
Speaker 4: He came in with a bad shoulder. And they tested it.
Speaker 4: They basically tested it. They said, how And I think
Speaker 4: that's part of the reason too, he didn't run as much.
Speaker 4: They basically said, how much do you want to put
Speaker 4: your body on the line in this game? Yeah, And
Speaker 4: I think you need to do that against Josh Allen.
Speaker 3: I think that in past game plans they have played coverage,
Speaker 3: they've dropped seven guys, they've dropped eight guys at times
Speaker 3: against Josh Allen, and they have basically just been patient
Speaker 3: and hope that he makes a mistake like that, like
Speaker 3: they just want him to make a mistake. And in
Speaker 3: this game, it felt like they did the total opposite.
Speaker 3: They said, we're gonna come after him, We're gonna pressure him,
Speaker 3: We're gonna make him make plays on our terms instead
Speaker 3: of his terms. And that was my whole thing going
Speaker 3: into the game was that, you know, he's to me,
Speaker 3: he's the most dynamic, extended play threat in the NFL
Speaker 3: right now. He's Captain Chaos, right Like he can play
Speaker 3: in that style all he wants. But in order to
Speaker 3: combat that, I think, you know, a lot of teams
Speaker 3: look at it, and I think the Patriots looked at
Speaker 3: it this way. In the past, it was we got
Speaker 3: to keep him in the pocket, we got to make
Speaker 3: him play in structure. We can't let him extend plays
Speaker 3: on us. Instead in this game, they fought chaos with chaos.
Speaker 3: They were like, all right, we're just gonna come after
Speaker 3: him and we're gonna make him make throws rushed in
Speaker 3: on our terms, and we're not gonna play coverage and
Speaker 3: we're not gonna play quite frankly, like scared that he's
Speaker 3: gonna hit us with a big play, and yeah, maybe
Speaker 3: he'll get one or two, and he got, you know,
Speaker 3: the one to James Cook, like a twenty eight yard
Speaker 3: or off an extended play, but we're not gonna worry
Speaker 3: about him well going on.
Speaker 4: It's that thing I always say every time, and I
Speaker 4: didn't say it this week ironically, or last week when
Speaker 4: the Patriots played the Bills, right that I bring up
Speaker 4: the Ravens in Matthew Judah saying, yeah, we weren't afraid
Speaker 4: of Brady because we knew if we do what we do,
Speaker 4: like we're NFL players still Yeah, And it felt like
Speaker 4: there was an element of that. But within all that
Speaker 4: and the scheme's c I don't want to take anything
Speaker 4: away from the scheme. I feel like that's what this
Speaker 4: sounds like. It's not. Yeah, but that only works if
Speaker 4: you're getting them, and Christian Barmore and Anthony Jennings were.
Speaker 4: There were a couple other guys that got in there
Speaker 4: here and there, but felt like every other play was
Speaker 4: either Christian Barmore or Anthony Jennings in his face, PFF
Speaker 4: had Barmore down for four pressures. That feels very low. Uh.
Speaker 4: Those two guys made this happen, I think more than
Speaker 4: anybody else. Christian Barmore and Anthony Jennings were Josh Allen's
Speaker 4: probably seeing them in a.
Speaker 3: Couple time that entire defensive line played out. They played
Speaker 3: great game, Davon Godshot played it great.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they played incredibly well and they deserve a ton
Speaker 4: of credit for It's a good game plan. I don't
Speaker 4: want to take away from the game plan, but as
Speaker 4: any coach will tell you, right, yeah, players have to
Speaker 4: make the plays, and those guys, but this was.
Speaker 3: Such a different they they did not. This is such
Speaker 3: a different approach against him. This was more what they
Speaker 3: did with him early on in his career and when
Speaker 3: he flipped that switch from being the quarterback that he
Speaker 3: was in his first couple of seasons to you know,
Speaker 3: a guy that's finishing top five and MVP votes. They
Speaker 3: got scared. They they played conservative against him in this game.
Speaker 3: They almost went back to like what they would do
Speaker 3: against him in like twenty nineteen, you know, and they
Speaker 3: were they come after him instead, and yeah, they they had.
Speaker 3: He got out of probably four or five sacks, you know,
Speaker 3: avoiding pressure, seeing blitzers laid and and you know, kind
Speaker 3: of sneaking out of pressure. And I know that that
Speaker 3: sometimes drives people nuts, like when you know, Miles Bryant
Speaker 3: comes on a blitz and he can't get him on
Speaker 3: the ground and things like that. But it even though
Speaker 3: he didn't get him down like that, it that was
Speaker 3: the goal, right, Like they succeeded even Yeah.
Speaker 4: Myles Bryant's not tackling Jos on the open field. It's
Speaker 4: not happening.
Speaker 3: All right, let's let's do let's do three up, three down.
Speaker 3: Then we'll open up the phones I have, you know,
Speaker 3: we do this sometimes, like when they were playing poorly,
Speaker 3: I had like five duds and two stuff. I have
Speaker 3: four studs for you this game, all right, ain't gonna
Speaker 3: you know, give them their flowers? Right, my number one
Speaker 3: stub from this game. And I went back and forth
Speaker 3: on who to put number one, but I ultimately settled
Speaker 3: on Mac Jones. I just think that this was his game.
Speaker 3: You know, this was his his shining moment, his signature win,
Speaker 3: whatever you want to call it. We went over some
Speaker 3: of the things that I thought he did really well
Speaker 3: in this game, but really the throws in the fourth
Speaker 3: quarter stood out. The third and eight, the seam throw
Speaker 3: to Pharaoh Brown, the seam throat to Pop Douglas I
Speaker 3: thought was a great throw as well. And also just
Speaker 3: the amount of times that he you know, got them
Speaker 3: into the right plays or made adjustments at the line
Speaker 3: of scrimmage, that type of stuff, the chess match type
Speaker 3: of stuff. He's really starting to take another step forward,
Speaker 3: and you know you combat it with Okay, he doesn't
Speaker 3: have the physical tools as Josh Allen. We've been over
Speaker 3: this million times.
Speaker 4: You have established he's not Patrick Holmes.
Speaker 3: Yes, in this game, the Patriots, with all the blitzing
Speaker 3: that they did against Alan, Alan really struggled with setting protections,
Speaker 3: getting himself protected against the blitz knowing when he was hot,
Speaker 3: like things like that. And I thought, conversely, on the
Speaker 3: other side, you saw the brain power of the Patriots quarterback, like, yeah,
Speaker 3: he doesn't have the ability that Josh Allen does. But
Speaker 3: Josh Allen's running for his life on one side because
Speaker 3: he can't get the blitz blocked. And Mac Jones is
Speaker 3: out there field general style, getting everybody in order, getting
Speaker 3: the blitz blocked, and just making the simple throws and
Speaker 3: the simple reads. So I have Mac Jones as my
Speaker 3: number one stud in this game. Where are you at?
Speaker 4: I think my number one is probably Christian Barmore. I mean,
Speaker 4: Mac Jones is on my ups, but I just kind
Speaker 4: of said it. I think Christian Barmore this is a
Speaker 4: couple of weeks in a row now, Yep, he's been
Speaker 4: a game wrecker. This is the guy we saw coming
Speaker 4: out of Alabama. A lot of people were surprised he
Speaker 4: ended up being a first round pick, interior nightmare pass rusher.
Speaker 4: I think part of it is he's finally healthy. And
Speaker 4: Bill Belichick kind of alluded to that yesterday. He was
Speaker 4: asked about what he's seen from Barmore this year, and
Speaker 4: he said, you know, he's been training as hard as
Speaker 4: he's been able to going back to the summer, and
Speaker 4: that alludes to him being fully healthy. This is the
Speaker 4: guy they thought they were getting when he's fully healthy.
Speaker 4: Member Richard Seymour's name was getting thrown out there a lot.
Speaker 4: When he is drafted, people whispered, Aaron Donald, pump the
Speaker 4: brakes on that, right. No, I'm not saying he's gonna
Speaker 4: be an NFL Hall of Famer, but it's like the
Speaker 4: guy he's been the last few weeks. That's the guy.
Speaker 4: That's the guy I thought we were getting, and he's been.
Speaker 4: He's a big reason it was as close as it
Speaker 4: was I think against the Raiders, and he is as
Speaker 4: big a reason I think as anybody that they beat
Speaker 4: the Bills, and more importantly, they finally shut down Josh Allen.
Speaker 3: He was excellent. And I think there's two things that
Speaker 3: they really challenged the defense on this week, and one
Speaker 3: of the biggest things was interior pressure pressure up the
Speaker 3: middle on Josh Allen because they knew that they couldn't
Speaker 3: get they couldn't unlock the edges to go after him
Speaker 3: because then he's gonna get out of the pocket, right,
Speaker 3: So they really wanted to keep him in the pocket
Speaker 3: as much as possible, but then have the interior pressure
Speaker 3: through the middle of the pocket so that he couldn't
Speaker 3: step up and through the pocket. So they did a
Speaker 3: great job of that in this game, really across the
Speaker 3: board on the defensive line, I had the entire defensive
Speaker 3: line on my ups if I wanted to bar more Wise, Godshow, Jennings,
Speaker 3: all those guys were phenomenal in this game. Devon Godshaw
Speaker 3: just like dominates against the Bills. I don't know what
Speaker 3: it is about the interior of the Bills, but he
Speaker 3: has had some of his best games as a Patriot
Speaker 3: against the Buffalo Bills. The win game was probably his
Speaker 3: best game period as a New England page. I remember
Speaker 3: that he was awesome, but this game was close. He
Speaker 3: just dominates this matchup. And not only was he holding
Speaker 3: the point of attack and eating up blocks and doing
Speaker 3: all the nose tackle stuff, he had three quarterback pressures
Speaker 3: in this game as well. So he just continued to
Speaker 3: absolutely eat alive. Uh this this pass rush and this
Speaker 3: we could.
Speaker 4: Yeah we got. We had a little uh a rumor.
Speaker 4: The Marine's not the greatest when it comes to parody account.
Speaker 4: There was somebody tweeted and it's you know that account
Speaker 4: that tweets like the fake quotes of the players.
Speaker 3: Yeah look at it.
Speaker 4: Yeah Boston Cream got me. Yeah, So the tweet I
Speaker 4: think it has been deleted. I can't even find it.
Speaker 4: Oh God, here the Raiders agree.
Speaker 1: Las Vegas Raiders have agreed to trade wide receiver Hunter
Speaker 1: Renfro to the New England Patriots for a twenty twenty
Speaker 1: four first round pick.
Speaker 3: And this is not true.
Speaker 4: But then at the bottom it says the Patriots, however,
Speaker 4: did not agree.
Speaker 3: Fake news alert. Yes, okay, anyways, yeah.
Speaker 4: Too excited. I apologize. I'll say this because now people
Speaker 4: ask I have no interest in the Patriots trading for
Speaker 4: Hunter Renfro, not.
Speaker 3: Mean me neither.
Speaker 4: He hasn't been good in two years. He makes a
Speaker 4: lot of money.
Speaker 3: I've always liked him.
Speaker 4: I know you have. But he's kind of cooked. And
Speaker 4: they now have what six receivers on the act of large,
Speaker 4: like if you can one for one trade like Devonte
Speaker 4: Parker for him to unload that contract, I guess. But
Speaker 4: giving up a draft asset for Hunter Renfro, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: I think there's other areas of the roster they could address.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's fair. Anyways, great game by the defensive line,
Speaker 3: Godshaw wise far more Jennings Tavi. Did you know his
Speaker 3: divide do your job type of thing?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: But yeah, I think Devine gotscha. I I really good
Speaker 3: game for him in this one big reason why they
Speaker 3: were able to control the line of scrimmage. All right, Uh,
Speaker 3: but I got two more, maybe two more, one more,
Speaker 3: big one.
Speaker 4: I can't remember.
Speaker 3: Let me look at our list here, Yeah, two more,
Speaker 3: two more. Going back to the offense, I almost had
Speaker 3: this player number one in my list. Pop Douglas, I
Speaker 3: mean Pop Douglas in this game was This was an
Speaker 3: excellent wide receiver game for the Patriots that I don't
Speaker 3: know if I've seen a wide receiver for the Pats
Speaker 3: maybe other than some of the games that Kendrick Bourne
Speaker 3: has had over the last couple of years. But this
Speaker 3: was as good of a game for any of the
Speaker 3: Patriots receivers in a little bit.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 3: He was dynamic, he was effective in this game. He
Speaker 3: was open the entire time when especially when Buffalo played
Speaker 3: man coverage. Big part of it was the was the
Speaker 3: motion and thing like that moving him around the formation.
Speaker 3: But he's so good at that and he's so perfect
Speaker 3: for that role. The comparison that I would use of
Speaker 3: how they're using Pop Douglas like he's basically discount Tyreek Kill,
Speaker 3: Like he's there, like he's being used like Miami would
Speaker 3: use Tyreek Hill. He is just obviously not Tyreek Kill, right,
Speaker 3: and they're using him in a similar fashion, and he's
Speaker 3: he's just been super super difficult to cover, great with
Speaker 3: the football in his hands. A couple of avoided tackles
Speaker 3: in this game. Very first play of the game, he
Speaker 3: spins Tron Johnson around like in a blender. Then he gets,
Speaker 3: you know, the the jet suite breaks the tackle there
Speaker 3: as well. He drew three penalties in this game, a
Speaker 3: couple of pass interference calls, a holding. This was a
Speaker 3: dominant game by him in a lot of facets, and
Speaker 3: it's exciting to see a Patriots receiver play that well.
Speaker 3: He needs to be as involved as anybody else in
Speaker 3: this offense moving forward, and you you can't feed that
Speaker 3: guy enough, like you give Pop Douglas enough opportunities in
Speaker 3: this offense moving forward. So I had Douglass as another
Speaker 3: up in this one.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I just kind of combined all these Bill O'Brien.
Speaker 4: I thought the usage of Pop Douglas, I thought the
Speaker 4: usage of Kendrick Bourne was excellent, and those guys played
Speaker 4: outstanding as well. But yeah, when you get those the
Speaker 4: playmakers the ball in their hands in open space. It's excellent.
Speaker 4: I thought the the the attack plan was good, really
Speaker 4: And we'll get to this when we talk about Miami.
Speaker 4: The balance of how much each guy played in terms
Speaker 4: of the skill positions and who played with who running backs,
Speaker 4: tight ends, receivers, I thought that was a really good mix. Now,
Speaker 4: there were some guys that played less that you think
Speaker 4: might play more. There are some guys that didn't play
Speaker 4: at all that we're gonna have to figure out what
Speaker 4: they're gonna do with.
Speaker 3: We can get into that.
Speaker 4: But I thought I thought the whole plan in that
Speaker 4: regard was just excellent. Yeah, I thought it was really good.
Speaker 3: The last one I had was was Mike Onwinnho. I mean,
Speaker 3: I think you got to give him some credit in
Speaker 3: this game. Look, I don't think he's perfect as a tackle.
Speaker 3: I think some of the film, you know, his range,
Speaker 3: like his footwork and his ability to hit landmarks. He
Speaker 3: has a little bit of a short corner. He does
Speaker 3: like he plays tackle like a guard and that's okay,
Speaker 3: especially on the right side where Mac can see the
Speaker 3: pressure coming and step up in the pocket. And he
Speaker 3: is so much better, so much better than Vederian Lowe
Speaker 3: that even though I excuse me, I still don't think
Speaker 3: he's a tackle. Okay, I know people want him to
Speaker 3: play tackle permanently, but he is certainly the best tackle
Speaker 3: right I understand though, and I think that based off
Speaker 3: of some of the comments that we heard from Bill Belichick,
Speaker 3: even Bill O'Brien and Adrian Clem, why there's some reservation
Speaker 3: from the player and the coaching staff for just to
Speaker 3: call him a tackle and to call him a right tackle.
Speaker 3: He he's a guard now. He's there best right tackle
Speaker 3: right and he's gonna have to play right tackle the
Speaker 3: rest of the year to give them a chance. But
Speaker 3: that doesn't necessarily mean that his long term home should
Speaker 3: still be it should be at tackle. With that being said,
Speaker 3: in this game it was so much better than what
Speaker 3: they had in the first six weeks of the season
Speaker 3: that he deserves all the credit in the world for
Speaker 3: moving out there playing out there well, and it was
Speaker 3: It was good to see them finally make that move,
Speaker 3: like we've been saying that, and I've been dismissive of
Speaker 3: it because I never thought they were actually gonna do it.
Speaker 3: It took them being one in five and in like
Speaker 3: true desperation mode for them to make that move. But
Speaker 3: they finally made the move and it was the right
Speaker 3: move to make.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he has to play out to the rest of
Speaker 4: the season. I understand the long term questions. Yeah, he
Speaker 4: has to has to has to play out to the
Speaker 4: rest of the season. He's their best right tackle. If
Speaker 4: they didn't want that to happen, they should have put
Speaker 4: more into the position in the offseason, plain and simple.
Speaker 4: I have two more yes, Ezekiel Elliott.
Speaker 3: Yeah, was really good.
Speaker 4: Again that touchdown specifically, that's when they signed him back
Speaker 4: in the summer. That's the play they had in mind
Speaker 4: because he gets stone Walls at the two yard line.
Speaker 4: That one actually wasn't blocked. Great, he got Stonewall at
Speaker 4: the two yard line and what does he do. We
Speaker 4: refuse to leave his feet, keeps twisting his body falls
Speaker 4: into the end zone. That is old school Zeke. Remember
Speaker 4: we talked about this when he signed. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 4: know that he's a breakaway runner. He was, but if
Speaker 4: you need a yard, you need two yards, He's gonna
Speaker 4: get you two yards. That's what that run was. And
Speaker 4: then the other one. The rookie specialists wasn't all perfect
Speaker 4: on special teams. Fair enough he had the penalty on
Speaker 4: Brendon Schooler. Yeah, couldn't get the field goal un and on.
Speaker 4: But Bryce Baringer didn't shank his first punt of the game,
Speaker 4: so that was nice. And he put both his punts
Speaker 4: inside the twenty and Chad Rolland had a sixty four
Speaker 4: yard Yeah, Chad Ratherands three for three. So those guys
Speaker 4: showed up. They did their jobs. That's kind of what
Speaker 4: you just want those guys to do. Not flashy, excellent
Speaker 4: good stuff from them.
Speaker 3: Tyler Bass a really good kicker.
Speaker 4: Tyler rat remember the Tyler Basstard Rego of Blanconship, The
Speaker 4: great Tyler Bastard Rego Blanket Ship Debate of twenty twenty.
Speaker 3: It was, It was great, It sure was. Tyler Bass
Speaker 3: is a really good kicker, and he had a lot
Speaker 3: of trouble in the conditions on Sunday.
Speaker 4: Andy kind of got built, took a shot at him
Speaker 4: after the game till.
Speaker 3: The forty nine yarder that that Rylan made. That's not
Speaker 3: an easy kick, especially given the stakes of you're in
Speaker 3: the game against Buffalo and you're trying to keep the
Speaker 3: momentum moving forward and you're trying to get points on
Speaker 3: a drive a forty nine yarder and in some tough conditions.
Speaker 3: I think the wind was swirling a little bit in
Speaker 3: the stadium that day. That was a good kick. That
Speaker 3: was a good kick by the rook Ye good kick.
Speaker 3: I know. It's not like a fifty six yarder, right,
Speaker 3: so on paper it doesn't look you know, you should
Speaker 3: be making the majority of your inside fifty kicks, But
Speaker 3: that one I thought was a tough.
Speaker 4: Foot for a guy that And look, he's been asked
Speaker 4: to make a lot of tough kicks and you don't
Speaker 4: expect him to make all of them. But misses or
Speaker 4: missus and those away on you. For a guy to
Speaker 4: come back and respond the way he did, yeah, I
Speaker 4: thought was excellent. Matthew Slater said after the game, like
Speaker 4: he's Ryan's very mature guy. Yeah, wise beyond his years,
Speaker 4: I think is what's later said he kind of is it.
Speaker 4: The big thing with kickers is that short memory? Right?
Speaker 4: Can you move on from the last one? Right?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: You don't. You can't scout that And like maybe guys
Speaker 4: do in college, maybe they don't. But if you're still,
Speaker 4: if you're a multi year starter, chances are you're not
Speaker 4: imploding every time you miss a kick, But yeah, it's
Speaker 4: different in the NFL, and you can't tell that in practice,
Speaker 4: can't tell it in the meeting room, can't. I know,
Speaker 4: they try asking questions at the combine and guy preseason
Speaker 4: because he never took a kick, right, so you don't
Speaker 4: really see it until you see it. How does he
Speaker 4: respond to missus? And Chad Royland responded well this week?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought he was good as well. And I
Speaker 3: agree with you on Zeke and basically, you know, I
Speaker 3: like the aggressiveness that they called, like that play action
Speaker 3: on third and one early on in the game, the
Speaker 3: completion to Pop Douglas, Like, I like that they were
Speaker 3: a little bit aggressive and short yardage in this game,
Speaker 3: but in general, I don't see how you can make
Speaker 3: that Like that's your short yardage offense, right, whether it's
Speaker 3: goal line, whether it's third and one, giving the ball
Speaker 3: to Zeke or then play action to you know, get
Speaker 3: the defense opened up. But because they think it's going
Speaker 3: to Zeke either way, like that should be the Patriots
Speaker 3: short yardage offense moving forward. All right, I got two duds.
Speaker 3: You know, you win a game against.
Speaker 4: Oh wait, I had one more, Sorry, I had one more. Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 4: I'd be remiss if I didn't give this one. Jabrill Peppers. Yeah,
Speaker 4: he is good. It's not just what he did during
Speaker 4: the game final. What do I say every time they
Speaker 4: play Josh Allen? Yeah, when he throws you one catch it,
Speaker 4: he did it. Yeah. I thought he was good in
Speaker 4: that sense. I thought he brought a level of physicality. Evan,
Speaker 4: I gotta tell you, though, I am ready to get over.
Speaker 4: I'm ready to just go all in on Jabrill Peppers.
Speaker 3: He's good play.
Speaker 4: He's a good player him. He's a good leader. Did
Speaker 4: you see him giving the speed? How many guys can
Speaker 4: cut off Matthew Slater and be like, hang on, I
Speaker 4: gotta say something and then stick the landing. This is
Speaker 4: a guy that is just turned twenty eight, so he's
Speaker 4: not Yeah, but he's definitely not old, just turned twenty eight.
Speaker 4: He's a leader, he is a tone setter. Do you
Speaker 4: remember my like loose comp for him before the season.
Speaker 3: God, you're you're you're comparing Christian Barmore to Aaron Donald.
Speaker 4: And now I didn't do that. I said other people did.
Speaker 3: And now you're gonna compare compare Jabriel to Rodney.
Speaker 4: Harrison as close as you can get in the modern game. No,
Speaker 4: that is a guy that sets. He's been great. He
Speaker 4: makes He's playing like a top ten safety in football
Speaker 4: right now. He's the highest graded run defender in the
Speaker 4: entire league ansy position. He's playing like a top ten
Speaker 4: safety in football. He's setting the tone you want your
Speaker 4: defense to play with. He's a communicator on the field,
Speaker 4: he's a leader off the field. He's bought into the
Speaker 4: program entirely. He got to ask after he got to
Speaker 4: ask after the game. Peppersy's like, how do you keep playing?
Speaker 4: Keep it up when when you know you're one to five?
Speaker 4: Is you got to play football for the brand? That's
Speaker 4: what they want to hear. This is the guy. We've
Speaker 4: talked a lot with their lack of extensions in recent
Speaker 4: years about like who's the core, who are you building around?
Speaker 4: Who's going to take this team into the next era?
Speaker 4: That guy, that's the guy. I'm almost at the point
Speaker 4: where and we I don't know, this guy's one of
Speaker 4: your duds. Maybe this leads into it. It's been a
Speaker 4: tough year for Kyle transitioning to free safety. If that's
Speaker 4: the role they want him to play, I would almost
Speaker 4: just let him walk. Yeah, sign Pepper's put him full
Speaker 4: time in that box safety role and then go out
Speaker 4: and get an actual real free safety, whether it's being
Speaker 4: free agency, the draft, whatever. I'm like, I'm really getting there.
Speaker 3: So I love Jabriel. I would also say that I've
Speaker 3: tried to ask him. I know this is like kind
Speaker 3: of tongue in cheek a little bit, but I've tried
Speaker 3: to ask him questions about like what coverages they've been
Speaker 3: in and stuff like that. He won't tell me. They
Speaker 3: love that. There you go, don't give don't give me
Speaker 3: the game plan, right, Like did you ask him?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 4: And he was like, if you can guess what the
Speaker 4: name is, I'll tell you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And so that that he he loves
Speaker 3: messing with me on that, And I know that they
Speaker 3: like that because other guys will just like come out
Speaker 3: and and I never say, like this guy told me right,
Speaker 3: but other guys will will just tell me what stuff
Speaker 3: is called and things like that, and I know they
Speaker 3: hate that. So yeah, he's My point is he's drinking
Speaker 3: the kool aid right like he's he's on the program.
Speaker 3: And I think that's important too. When you start talking
Speaker 3: about giving players extensions or giving them, you know, keeping
Speaker 3: them around long term and things like that. We know
Speaker 3: unfortunately for better. So let me just real quick.
Speaker 4: For some reason people think he's a penning for agent.
Speaker 4: He signed through twenty twenty four, so you don't have
Speaker 4: to necessarily extend him, but not right now. But like
Speaker 4: that's the guy next offseason, next offseason, especially if he
Speaker 4: has a good maybe one of those like good camps
Speaker 4: and like get some of the money. All right, let's
Speaker 4: get into some get into the duds and then I promise,
Speaker 4: I know some people have been waiting on hold for
Speaker 4: a while.
Speaker 3: We only have a couple, so, you know, good game,
Speaker 3: so I only have two. Uh, you mentioned it already,
Speaker 3: Kyle Duggar, Kyle Duggar in this game. I feel for
Speaker 3: Kyle Duggar. I do. And uh, this is something that
Speaker 3: we talk about it a lot with quarterbacks about like
Speaker 3: how you can ruin a guy's confidence and you know,
Speaker 3: ruin a guy change the perception of how a player
Speaker 3: looks because of the role he's playing or the supporting
Speaker 3: cast or the play calling or the coaching or whatever.
Speaker 3: I think the Patriots are doing the equivalent of what
Speaker 3: they've done at times with Mac Jones to Kyle dugger
Speaker 3: right now by playing him out of position, he's not
Speaker 3: a free safety. He looks lost there. He looks just
Speaker 3: not good. He's not been a good player playing that position.
Speaker 3: Point plank. He had a number a number of mistakes
Speaker 3: in this game trying to play the deep part of
Speaker 3: the field. Gave up the two point play that covering
Speaker 3: tight ends in the red zone and in the end
Speaker 3: you know more, I should say really in the end
Speaker 3: zone has been an issue for him. He let Stefon Diggs.
Speaker 3: I gave. I gave that half and half half to JC,
Speaker 3: half to Kyle Duggar, but the deep shot is Stefan Diggs.
Speaker 3: He was at least half responsible for covering that throw
Speaker 3: and that should have been a touchdown. He he just
Speaker 3: doesn't look at home playing the deep part of the field.
Speaker 3: And if I'm the Patriots. In the very first rep
Speaker 3: of the game, which was the interception by Jabriel Peppers,
Speaker 3: they did this Mills in the deep middle with dugger
Speaker 3: and Pepper's in the box, right, Like, let those two
Speaker 3: guys play where they need to both play. Play Kyle
Speaker 3: Duggart closer to the line of scrimmage, and I think
Speaker 3: that he'll be better, But he's been lost back there.
Speaker 3: You know, you start jotting down notes as you're watching
Speaker 3: the film and the amount of you know, to use
Speaker 3: a badardism, like the amount of minus plays that I
Speaker 3: had for Kyle Dugger in this game. It was starting
Speaker 3: to add up quickly on him as the course of
Speaker 3: the game went on. So it's tough. It's not his fault,
Speaker 3: is what I'm I think Kyle Duger is a talented player.
Speaker 3: I think he's a much better football player than what
Speaker 3: he's shown. He's just playing out of position. And I
Speaker 3: also wonder how much of this is he's had to
Speaker 3: take on a much bigger communication and leadership standpoint without
Speaker 3: Devin mccordy, right like, in terms of being the back
Speaker 3: end field general. And I wonder if there's somebody else,
Speaker 3: whether it's Mills, I don't think that's really Peppers is
Speaker 3: necessarily thing. But if you play Mills in the deep middle,
Speaker 3: he knows the system, he's been here a couple of years.
Speaker 3: Maybe he can take some of that responsibility off Kyle
Speaker 3: Dugger's plate. But Kyle Dugger is a C ball, get
Speaker 3: ball kind of player, and right now it looks like
Speaker 3: he's overthinking everything that he's doing. And it's costing him
Speaker 3: in a lot of instances. So he was my number
Speaker 3: one dud and really, like the only true dud I
Speaker 3: had in this game was Kyle Dugger. But I have
Speaker 3: one more guy that I that I need to bring up.
Speaker 3: But what do you have?
Speaker 4: J C. Jackson? Yeah, I I don't know, all right,
Speaker 4: let me rephrase that. Actually, because Jackson made some good
Speaker 4: plays in this game against the guy that's given him
Speaker 4: a lot of trouble in the past. Yeah, just tackling, Yeah, tackling.
Speaker 4: And J C. Jackson's mistackle was the worst. I mean
Speaker 4: allowed a touchdown. Ironically, it might have saved the game
Speaker 4: because it allowed the Bills to score quicker. Ye, so
Speaker 4: the Patriots had time to come in the other right,
Speaker 4: But I'm not gonna credit for that.
Speaker 3: I don't like, I agree with you that that was
Speaker 3: you know, that was a bad mistackle. Steve Belichick is like,
Speaker 3: let's tone it down with the zero blitzer, is all right?
Speaker 3: They sent the house up two scores with like five
Speaker 3: minutes to go in the game.
Speaker 4: I thought he had a little Brian Floresa.
Speaker 3: He went won too many right, he went to the
Speaker 3: well won too many times on that one. So I
Speaker 3: give that to like half JC Halfstein, but you.
Speaker 4: Had Jewan Bentley missed the tackle in the open field.
Speaker 4: That's Bentley. He also and this is why I can't
Speaker 4: put any of these guys directly in the downs because
Speaker 4: Bentley had that big pass breakup on fourth down. That
Speaker 4: was a nice play. But Bentley's that's tackler. That's the guy.
Speaker 4: Kyle Dugger missed some tackles in this game. Adrian Phillips
Speaker 4: missed a tackle in the open field. These are some
Speaker 4: of the best tackling players on the team, and coming
Speaker 4: in the Patriots had been by most major metrics the
Speaker 4: top five tackling team in the NFL. So you look
Speaker 4: at this and you say, all right, was it a
Speaker 4: blip or is this something we need to be concerned about.
Speaker 4: I'll say this, Tyreek Killer, No, you can't miss tackles
Speaker 4: against the Miami Dolphins, right That is the last thing
Speaker 4: you can do again the Miami Dolphins. So we'll see
Speaker 4: if they bounce back this week. Would be a they
Speaker 4: need to bounce back this week if they want to win,
Speaker 4: But you can't. They got very lucky to win that game.
Speaker 4: Tackling the way they did. It was a bad tackling game.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree wholeheartedly. Last one here, last dud Taekwon Thornton.
Speaker 3: Taekwon Thornton. He can't really play just in general, okay,
Speaker 3: but also I think he got benched in this game
Speaker 3: because he continues continues to run the wrong rounds like
Speaker 3: and if you can't if you're not going to run
Speaker 3: the red like, the quarterback can't trust you, right, So like,
Speaker 3: even if you're open on a play, if mac Jones
Speaker 3: doesn't feel like he has confidence and where exactly Taekwon
Speaker 3: Thornton's gonna end up on the play, then he can't
Speaker 3: throw them the ball. So why have him out there?
Speaker 3: And the fact of the matter is, and they signed
Speaker 3: Jalen Rager to the fifty three reportedly, I should I
Speaker 3: should say reportedly signed Jalen Rager to the fifty three
Speaker 3: this morning. And he's been passed on the depth chart
Speaker 3: by Jalen Rager and Jillenberger is a former first round
Speaker 3: pick that's got a lot of talent, natural talent in
Speaker 3: his own right. But this is a guy that was
Speaker 3: a bust, right, that has been a journeyman essentially after
Speaker 3: the Eagles drafted him the first round and didn't work
Speaker 3: out in Philadelphia, so Taekwon Thorn has been passed by him.
Speaker 3: He played three snaps in this game. The very first
Speaker 3: play after the Jubril Peppers interception, they try to take
Speaker 3: a shot. They go under center play action. They run
Speaker 3: like a deep shot type of route concept and it's
Speaker 3: cover three. The Bills do a nice job of recognizing,
Speaker 3: like the crosser from the backside which is Taekwon, and
Speaker 3: then the vertical from Jalen Rager, and all Taekwon's got
Speaker 3: to do on those routes, you know, he's running it
Speaker 3: over and a lot of teams that run those types
Speaker 3: of concepts, it's a Shanahan Tree concept. They'll they'll make
Speaker 3: it an overstop, which means that if you see the
Speaker 3: boundary defender fall off the vertical and he's just sitting
Speaker 3: there waiting for you, instead of continuing running across the
Speaker 3: field into the coverage, you're just gonna sit down in
Speaker 3: the middle of the zone. And Taekwond just keeps running
Speaker 3: like if he had just sat down in the middle
Speaker 3: of the zone, he's gonna be there for completion and
Speaker 3: said he keeps on running into the sideline and gets
Speaker 3: himself covered and mac Jones ends up having to throw
Speaker 3: like a wild check down to Zeke Elliott and they
Speaker 3: didn't get it. Luckily, they still score on the drive,
Speaker 3: So I guess, you know, in the big picture, no harm,
Speaker 3: no foul, But he didn't really play after that, and
Speaker 3: that tells me that he probably ran the wrong route
Speaker 3: and that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean we talked about the margin ferrer with
Speaker 4: this team that's not that big, and yes they ultimately
Speaker 4: ended up scoring, but that might not be the case
Speaker 4: next time. I have one more down. Yep, actually sorry,
Speaker 4: I have won more very quick up. Oh silver pants,
Speaker 4: silver pants got to be it up Mike Vrabels speech.
Speaker 4: Won't throw him out too. We gotta win. That was interesting. Yeah,
Speaker 4: one more down, Cleat Blakeman, what we Yeah?
Speaker 3: No, that was yeah what is he talking about? There?
Speaker 4: Nineteen flags? So the thirteenth most penalized game of the year. Yeah,
Speaker 4: non in the ones they didn't pick up. Yeah, I'm not.
Speaker 4: I don't think he cost either team the game. It
Speaker 4: was nine to eight terms of penalties, but there were
Speaker 4: they all ended up evening out. Yeah, so I don't
Speaker 4: know that he impacted the outcome, but boy did he
Speaker 4: make that game unwatchable. All the times him and his crew.
Speaker 3: Yeah, slowly. I gave him a little bit of credit though,
Speaker 3: for for picking up the illegal man downfield on the
Speaker 3: mare screen on the game winning time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they got that correct.
Speaker 3: They got that correct. My guess is why New York
Speaker 3: got that correct. They probably buzzed and be like, guys,
Speaker 3: this is not like we can't call this here.
Speaker 4: Too many too many flights. Yeh, let him play.
Speaker 3: I agree. All right, let's open up the phones, and
Speaker 3: thanks so much for waiting on, holl We had a
Speaker 3: lot to get out about this game and finally a
Speaker 3: win to talk about some positives right to come away
Speaker 3: from this game. So if you guys are still hanging on,
Speaker 3: we appreciate it. Eddie is in La. What's up about Eddie?
Speaker 6: What's going on? Guys doing well?
Speaker 3: Yep?
Speaker 5: You two went by the team last Sunday. Man.
Speaker 6: That was very enjoyable football to watch from them, really enjoyable.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: So what I want to say is the whole thing
Speaker 6: he has just brought up with Jalen Rager. Obviously he was,
Speaker 6: you know, a first round pick one before Justin Jefferson.
Speaker 6: So I feel like that kind of talent, whether it
Speaker 6: didn't work out early on in his career or not.
Speaker 6: I feel like that's just talent that you can't ignore.
Speaker 6: And what I want to know from you guys is
Speaker 6: just what have the Patriots seen that the Egles and
Speaker 6: Vikings couldn't see in him that made the Patriots sign
Speaker 6: him on the fifty three men roster.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks for asking the question, Eddie, because I did
Speaker 3: want to touch on this subject. So a good question.
Speaker 3: I think that there's a couple things I asked Belichick
Speaker 3: about this yesterday. I think we all had it. I'm
Speaker 3: not like I wasn't like revolutionary and thinking that they
Speaker 3: might sign him to the fifty three man roster. So
Speaker 3: Belichick mentioned plays in practice, like he was he's flashing
Speaker 3: in practice and making plays on the scout team, and
Speaker 3: then that kind of translated into all right, let's put
Speaker 3: him into our offense a little bit and see if
Speaker 3: he makes plays in our offense. But I think the
Speaker 3: biggest thing is is, you know, obviously the practice habits
Speaker 3: everybody that we've talked to, Mac Jones, Bill Belichick, Bill
Speaker 3: O'Brien has pointed to the fact that he's made plays
Speaker 3: in practice. But I would also just mention that they
Speaker 3: needed some speed on the outside, and if it's not
Speaker 3: going to come from Taekwon because of reasons that I
Speaker 3: just broke down, they needed it from someplace else. And
Speaker 3: I think that that's been the revelation to me with
Speaker 3: Bill O'Brien is that he has recognized when we're Parker, Juju,
Speaker 3: Henry Giesicki, and even if we put out Pop Douglas
Speaker 3: or Kendrick Born in that grouping, that's probably the slowest
Speaker 3: twelve personnel grouping in the NFL. It's just there's no
Speaker 3: speed on the field. There's Kendrick Bourne type speed like explosiveness,
Speaker 3: but there's no actual vertical element to that grouping other
Speaker 3: than like a jump ball to Devonte Parker, which let's
Speaker 3: face it is not efficient and really doesn't do any good.
Speaker 3: So Jalen Rager adds that element to it, and I
Speaker 3: think that they've really welcome that and rightfully so. I
Speaker 3: also think, you know, in terms of him versus Taekwon,
Speaker 3: because that's really where the battle is, right you know,
Speaker 3: it's two speed guys who can win that job. Jalen
Speaker 3: Rager and the opportunities that he has got, I think
Speaker 3: has been a decent blocker. He Honestly, he sprung Pop
Speaker 3: Douglas on the jetsweep like that was his block on
Speaker 3: Pop Douglas's man is a reason why Pop was able
Speaker 3: to turn the corner. So I think he's made some
Speaker 3: good blocks. And you know, Taekwon is just not going
Speaker 3: to be a guy that's going to be a high
Speaker 3: level blocker because of his size. So better blocker than Taekwon,
Speaker 3: A good vertical element, good speed. I think that that's
Speaker 3: what they've seen in Rager, and I'm interested to see
Speaker 3: how his role expands or doesn't moving forward and what
Speaker 3: they really look at with Devonte Parker and Juju. I
Speaker 3: think that this is one of the more challenging things
Speaker 3: for this coaching staff the rest of the season, Alex
Speaker 3: is do they have the kahones to sit down there
Speaker 3: two most expensive receivers like that?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 3: Not every coaching staff and not every GM is gonna
Speaker 3: be willing to say, let's just eat was it? I
Speaker 3: think combined almost twenty million dollars plus of salary on
Speaker 3: these two guys because we have better players, and not
Speaker 3: not every coaching staff would do that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what they're gonna have to do, I'll say
Speaker 4: quickly on rager with the team seas. I don't know
Speaker 4: that they see anything in particular, but they have a
Speaker 4: history of just you know, hey, something made this guy
Speaker 4: a first round pick once upon a time. Yeah, clearly
Speaker 4: didn't work out. But maybe it's not that they see it,
Speaker 4: but it's it's it's they want to see, right, let's
Speaker 4: see if we can tap into whatever those other teams
Speaker 4: could tap into. We saw them bring Corey Coleman in
Speaker 4: on the practice squad. The Quan tread well, this has
Speaker 4: worked out better. Well, I joke like if Nikhil Harry
Speaker 4: hadn't been drafted by them, he probably would have been
Speaker 4: on their at some point.
Speaker 3: I was surprised that you know, who is it that
Speaker 3: was released earlier this year that they didn't bring in.
Speaker 4: I don't know I can, but this is they've done that,
Speaker 4: like they've had a history to it and this one's
Speaker 4: it's working out it And we always say, you know,
Speaker 4: people are oh, they signed Corey Coleman, Like why aren't
Speaker 4: they actually trying to make a move. It's like it's
Speaker 4: not this isn't the be all end all, But if
Speaker 4: they hit on one of these guys, and I don't
Speaker 4: know that they've hit on Raager, but it's a numbers game.
Speaker 4: As for what they need to going forward, I said
Speaker 4: it before.
Speaker 3: I think the.
Speaker 4: Usage distribution last week is what it needs to be.
Speaker 4: Kendrick Borne should still play the most. I really like
Speaker 4: Pop Douglas, but he is still a rookie. Kendrick Porn
Speaker 4: has that chemistry with Mac Jones.
Speaker 3: He's your best receiver.
Speaker 4: That's a guy needs to be on the field. What
Speaker 4: he played ninety eight percent of the snaps, ninety six
Speaker 4: percent of the snaps yea over ninety percent. Jamarow Douglas
Speaker 4: is your second receiver in twelve because he can create
Speaker 4: with the ball in his hands, and you need that
Speaker 4: for the offense to function. When you go to eleven,
Speaker 4: it should be an equal rotation situationally between Juju Smith Schuster,
Speaker 4: Devonte Parker and Jalen Rayer.
Speaker 3: I don't even think Jujus Smith Schuster should. Juju should
Speaker 3: be in that equation.
Speaker 4: You know what? That's fair? I think Look, Parker and
Speaker 4: and Reager are both You get down in the red
Speaker 4: he gets turn in the red zone. Parker gives you
Speaker 4: some size. You want to throw him on the field.
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Fine, I think what do you play last week like
Speaker 4: twenty snaps. Yeah, that's about right. Rager gives you that
Speaker 4: speed element. He also blocks his ass off, which kind
Speaker 4: of came out of nowhere. But sure, Yeah, we'll have
Speaker 4: to gonna be if you want to. If you want
Speaker 4: to knock Juju out of the rotation entirely, I wouldn't be. Well,
Speaker 4: I just think they're good, they're going to but like
Speaker 4: at the most, yeah, at the most, he's your third
Speaker 4: receiver and eleven when you're in between the twenties.
Speaker 3: I just don't see how so just positionally, yeah, x
Speaker 3: Z F right X. He's not an ex Juju. He's
Speaker 3: never been an X, so you're not playing him in
Speaker 3: that position. That's Parker or that's Jalen Rager.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Z.
Speaker 3: You have two guys right now and born in Douglas
Speaker 3: who are better Z receivers than he is. And you
Speaker 3: also can say that if one of them is playing
Speaker 3: the Z, the other is a better F receiver than right.
Speaker 3: I think so like where Juju has to play the
Speaker 3: Z or the F like those of the.
Speaker 4: You're probably doing something with like condensed formations or something.
Speaker 4: I just I I don't see how he like how
Speaker 4: he fits that's fair, right, that's fair. But no, it's
Speaker 4: it's Kendrick Bourne's your number one. Yeah, Kendrick Warborne period,
Speaker 4: end of sentence. Should not come off the field except
Speaker 4: for the big body goal line package. Yeah, Tomorrow Douglas
Speaker 4: is your second receiver clearly, Yep, Parker Rager. Those are
Speaker 4: your thirds. You kind of pick and choose based on
Speaker 4: matchups and situations. I don't need to see Juju. I
Speaker 4: kind of just put him in that group because they're
Speaker 4: gonna play him. Yeah, and he shouldn't be anything more
Speaker 4: than rotating equally with those other two guys.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: The other things I'd say about the usage they when
Speaker 4: they went to twelve, Yeah, it was almost always Pharaoh
Speaker 4: Brown as one of the tight ends.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 3: I wonder if that was because Hunter Henry's banged up.
Speaker 4: I think that's part of it. Yeah, But I like
Speaker 4: what I want Pharaoh Brown on the field. Not all
Speaker 4: the time, you not, I mean, but like I think
Speaker 4: he's like I think he had like a thirty seven
Speaker 4: percent usage rate last week. It was like high thirties. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that's excellent right there. And I like him on the
Speaker 4: field with another tight end.
Speaker 3: You have me too, And because he can play that
Speaker 3: in line and he can you can keep him into block.
Speaker 3: He can block in the run game, and that allows
Speaker 3: Kasiki and Henry to not have as much stress in
Speaker 3: the blocking game, right whether they're running the football or
Speaker 3: they're asking him to chip, or they're asking him to
Speaker 3: you know, double a great pass rusher or whatever the
Speaker 3: case may be. As we saw against the Raiders and
Speaker 3: the and the safety at the end of the game,
Speaker 3: Kasiki is is is useless as a blocker. We all
Speaker 3: knew this coming in, but I think they're really figuring
Speaker 3: that out now. And Henry has is better than Kasiki,
Speaker 3: but he's still in the useless cat.
Speaker 4: And he's banged up and he's banged so like the
Speaker 4: other thing about the other thing about Favor Brown we've
Speaker 4: talked about, like the buying of the offense and all that.
Speaker 4: That dude's out there to win a ball game. You what,
Speaker 4: he's I love me some Pharaoh Brown. I know that
Speaker 4: the way he's he's I mean, he's carrying guys on
Speaker 4: his back after catch the ball.
Speaker 3: He's breaking every time he touches the ball. It's an
Speaker 3: explosive but every time, but like crazy, I've never seen
Speaker 3: anything like it.
Speaker 6: No.
Speaker 4: But it's also like if you watch him between the plays, Yeah,
Speaker 4: Like there were a couple times down in the red
Speaker 4: zone he's getting into it with the Bills defenders. He's
Speaker 4: not taking any any any big yes. Right. And the
Speaker 4: other thing I liked when they were down on the
Speaker 4: goal line running the ball. There was one they ran
Speaker 4: it from like the five or six and they got
Speaker 4: down to like the two. Yeah, and you see, Bob
Speaker 4: Socy pointed out to me, he's a really good observation.
Speaker 4: Pharaoh Brown turns to the sideline and gives them like
Speaker 4: a hey, give it to us again, don't throw the ball,
Speaker 4: keep the big group.
Speaker 3: And then they end up putting like a smaller package
Speaker 3: out there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and he's like, yeah, you know, he wants to
Speaker 4: run the ball, get in the trenches, get nasty. The
Speaker 4: team needs a little that they need a little bit
Speaker 4: of that edge. He brings a little bit of that.
Speaker 3: Edge just quickly. All three tight ends are free agents
Speaker 3: at the end of the year, correct, all three tight ends.
Speaker 3: I think for Hunter Henry, to me, Hunter Henry is
Speaker 3: a prime franchise tag candidate. Yeah, the franchise tag for
Speaker 3: the tight ends are reasonable. It's I think thirteen million
Speaker 3: is the projection right now for next year, which is
Speaker 3: basically what he's making now, right, So you're not giving
Speaker 3: him a substantial phrase at his age and in the
Speaker 3: wear and tear, because he's been in the league and
Speaker 3: played a lot of football. You're not giving him another
Speaker 3: a three year deal where you're maybe risking two in
Speaker 3: years two and three not being as good as year one,
Speaker 3: and you're making sure you're keeping some continuity with that room,
Speaker 3: which I think is important. So Hunter Henry looks like
Speaker 3: a nice franchise tag guy. I would say, Pharao O'Brien
Speaker 3: looks like a nice signing, like a return.
Speaker 4: And I'll say this, he loves playing with Bill O'Brien
Speaker 4: like he played with Bill O'Brien in Houston. He just
Speaker 4: talked about that and that was his best season when
Speaker 4: he was with Bill O'Brien Houston until that.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 4: Well, that's is assuming Bill O'Brien still here, which is
Speaker 4: another conversation for another time. That's the guy that you
Speaker 4: might be able to get to take a little less
Speaker 4: money to come back.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I like it all right. Johnson, Louisiana, what's up, John?
Speaker 8: Hey, Hey, I got some quid things that'll Sunday was
Speaker 8: my first time after the game, and about the motion,
Speaker 8: you think that helped Mag kind of identify with the
Speaker 8: defensive end. That's kind of with Tom Brady, you feel
Speaker 8: like someone And was that like kind of a those things.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, one hundred percent. You know that that definitely helps.
Speaker 3: I think not just Mac, but they're receivers too, and
Speaker 3: there's so much conversions in this offense based off of
Speaker 3: man and zone. So when they motion, if it gets followed,
Speaker 3: then they they typically know it's man. If it doesn't,
Speaker 3: then they probably know its zone and that definitely helps.
Speaker 3: And the shifting can help with that too, like not
Speaker 3: just motion, but also you know, just like shifting the
Speaker 3: formation that that also can help and be coverage tail
Speaker 3: or indicator to the quarterback.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I was like, man, Mag is doing to man man.
Speaker 8: I was really like it. But Alex Man, you don't
Speaker 8: know how much you made me look at the game different.
Speaker 8: I was so hyped for social teams that take that
Speaker 8: bright there before the first half. I was like literally
Speaker 8: yelling like yeah talking about.
Speaker 4: Man, I love that.
Speaker 3: All right, go there it go, you just hit you hit,
Speaker 3: go ahead now.
Speaker 8: I was just so high because Alex, you know that team.
Speaker 8: He was just talking about Bryce so much. I'm like, man,
Speaker 8: I'm just waiting today that specific kick, man, and it
Speaker 8: could have never been no better.
Speaker 7: Man.
Speaker 8: I was literally yelling like, yeah, Bryce.
Speaker 4: Let's go.
Speaker 3: There we go.
Speaker 4: Yeah. No, it was a great kick and they needed
Speaker 4: it too. It was good timing as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks for the call, John, and that that's that's
Speaker 3: the show right there, right. You asked me a question
Speaker 3: about motion, and you ask Alex a question about about.
Speaker 4: Bryce Baron good.
Speaker 3: I like that. There we go, all right. Todd's in
Speaker 3: North Carolina. What's up Todd? Well, Miss Todd. I left
Speaker 3: him on hole for a while. Jeff is in Vain.
Speaker 3: What's up, Jeff?
Speaker 5: Hey, you doing guys? Good?
Speaker 8: Uh?
Speaker 5: So I said it in week two and we didn't
Speaker 5: do it, so I'm gonna say it again.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 5: And I'm wondering what you think with Miami running the
Speaker 5: ball so effectively, because so many teams have to put
Speaker 5: sony players in the back end and they're running against
Speaker 5: such right boxes, doesn't it make more sense to play
Speaker 5: mark tame off to the second level if you can't
Speaker 5: put enough players in the box to clog all the
Speaker 5: holes at least put a backer in there who has
Speaker 5: the speeding first to close on somebody like Poster if
Speaker 5: they do break through one of the holes.
Speaker 3: Thanks guys, Yeah, John, thanks for the call, and yeah
Speaker 3: we can get into Miami now. I think that that's
Speaker 3: a good point in something that you know, I was
Speaker 3: a little frustrated with the game plan if you remember
Speaker 3: Alex the first time around against Miami, just sitting off
Speaker 3: in those three safety shells and and kind of just
Speaker 3: you know, really not disrupting the timing of the offense
Speaker 3: like that, to me is that's Tua. Like Tua is
Speaker 3: a rhythm based thrower, right, Like Tua wants everything to
Speaker 3: be on time. He wants to get the ball out
Speaker 3: of his hands. And I felt like the game plan
Speaker 3: the first time around, I just really allowed him to
Speaker 3: do that and it ate them up. And uh, I
Speaker 3: just feel like that's something that they have to do
Speaker 3: this time around, is trying to disrupt the timing a
Speaker 3: little bit.
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, they got to do more. And that's why
Speaker 4: I think that they can maybe borrow a little bit
Speaker 4: from that game plan last week of just how much
Speaker 4: they harassed, how much they harassed Josh Allen and if
Speaker 4: they can do some of that to too it. You
Speaker 4: know. It's a little different, little different guy to handle in
Speaker 4: the pocket, but that same thing where if you start
Speaker 4: getting interior pressure on him, he's not gonna like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, we're gonna take a quick break and
Speaker 3: we'll be right back.
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Speaker 3: Catch Alex my body or a week eight of the
Speaker 3: NFL season. We're right in the middle of it now
Speaker 3: and I feel like I am I am in decline.
Speaker 3: My body is giving out on me. Not good, not good,
Speaker 3: bad bad neck. Just had to break in the middle
Speaker 3: of the show for a quick, quick bathroom break. Just terrible.
Speaker 4: You're an old man.
Speaker 3: Terrible, absolutely terrible. I need to be I need to
Speaker 3: need some sleep. Maybe maybe that's totally yeah, all right,
Speaker 3: let's get into Miami. I'm glad we we tee that up.
Speaker 3: I know, I know we'll get into them. Uh So,
Speaker 3: the big caveat with everything that we talk about with
Speaker 3: Miami is are the Dolphins actually gonna show up to
Speaker 3: this game? Or are they all gonna be, like, you know,
Speaker 3: on crutches on the sideline, right, like, so the Dolphins
Speaker 3: and uh, you know, in some ways it's like, okay,
Speaker 3: well this gives a Patriots a real chance to win
Speaker 3: this game. In other ways, I always hate like that,
Speaker 3: you know, because now it has an asterisk, right if
Speaker 3: you beat the Dolphins down in Miami, which is another
Speaker 3: win that's like a monkey off their back there zero
Speaker 3: to five against Tua in his career. They that stadium
Speaker 3: is a house of horrors for them, even way before
Speaker 3: our time, right like the going all the way back.
Speaker 3: So it it kind of stinks that if you beat
Speaker 3: the Dolphins with their CE team or C squad or
Speaker 3: whatever you want to call it. But I want to
Speaker 3: talk about it a little bit assuming Tyreek Hill is
Speaker 3: going to play, but I also want to talk about
Speaker 3: it in assuming he's not, which I think based off
Speaker 3: of the reporting down there yesterday, it definitely sounds like
Speaker 3: not playing is more likely at this point. So just
Speaker 3: your reaction to that and how that kind of changes
Speaker 3: this entire game.
Speaker 4: I mean, look, we know the Dolphins offense is what
Speaker 4: it is in yeah, in the the schematics of it
Speaker 4: and Mike McDaniel, but that only works if you have
Speaker 4: the players to execute it, and Tyreek Hill might be
Speaker 4: out or he moster didn't practice. Jalen Waddle is dealing
Speaker 4: with a bad back.
Speaker 3: Yeah, who's left.
Speaker 4: Who's like, it's not gonna look the say with Braxon
Speaker 4: Burials and Preston Wilson, Yeah, Cedric Wilson whoever it is.
Speaker 3: Preston Williams was also an ex DOLF.
Speaker 4: That's what I'm thinking. Yeah, okay, will early, it's before
Speaker 4: noon still yeah, no it it not. Having Tyreek Hill
Speaker 4: and Jalen Waddle being banged up changes a tone. It
Speaker 4: changes a ton because will those concepts work with lesser players?
Speaker 4: Do the Dolphins have to change their offense, which McDaniel
Speaker 4: probably doesn't want to do. The other one. That's a
Speaker 4: sneaky big injury in those and it's gonna sound weird
Speaker 4: to people, but if you've been following along, the Dolphins
Speaker 4: put Isaiah Win on ir was that yesterday or on Monday?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Whatever it was. Yeah, this week.
Speaker 4: Isaiah Win was really good in that first game against
Speaker 4: the Patriots.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he's been he's been serviceable for them
Speaker 3: at guard. Well so that his backup is Lester Cotton,
Speaker 3: who is not serviceable.
Speaker 4: But he was He's been fine for them at left card.
Speaker 4: But that Patriots game, he was the best game of
Speaker 4: the year. Yeah, he played well, didn't allow me pressures.
Speaker 4: Just one penalty, Yeah, you just one that happens. You
Speaker 4: look at the way well compared to his time here.
Speaker 4: You look at the way Christian Barmore is playing right now. Yeah,
Speaker 4: where and their starting center is on the injury report
Speaker 4: as well. He's banged up. I think he practiced yesterday,
Speaker 4: but he's gotta put the injury report.
Speaker 3: No, you know he is. Connor Williams is their starting center,
Speaker 3: and it sounds like Leon Eikenberg is going to play
Speaker 3: center again for them this week.
Speaker 4: Who's not a center? No, So I don't want to
Speaker 4: admit like losing Tyreek Hilt would be that's the biggest
Speaker 4: loss right there. But if they're down center and left
Speaker 4: guard against a defensive line that played the way it
Speaker 4: did last week, they're already on a backup left tackle
Speaker 4: toront Armstead's on ir that that could be as big
Speaker 4: as anything because you think and most are played last
Speaker 4: week and maybe he's fine, all right, Tyreek Hill's banged up,
Speaker 4: Jalen Wadall's banged up. They still run the ball and
Speaker 4: use the speed that way. And it's I think it's
Speaker 4: supposed to rain in Miami, which is rare, but it's
Speaker 4: not rare that it rains in Miami. But it's supposed
Speaker 4: to rain the whole day. It's not what he's passing
Speaker 4: South Florida showers all right, it's raining. You don't receivers
Speaker 4: are gonna run the ball lift the offensive line is
Speaker 4: three fifths backups, four fifths backups. That's not going to
Speaker 4: be so easy either. Yeah, Now, Patrin's stuff to take
Speaker 4: care of business when they have the football. We can
Speaker 4: get into that. But on every single level, we kind
Speaker 4: of came into the season when we previewed all the
Speaker 4: AFCAST teams. My thing on the Dolphins was, let's see
Speaker 4: if two is healthy. That's what it comes down to.
Speaker 4: Two is healthy, but nobody else is right, and that's
Speaker 4: a problem too.
Speaker 3: So with all the injuries aside, I al see, it
Speaker 3: is worth mentioning that two oh was three and zero
Speaker 3: against the Patriots in the Brian floor a z Era
Speaker 3: two right, like without Tyreek Hill, without Mike McDaniel. So
Speaker 3: he's beating you with without an incredible supporting cast. But
Speaker 3: I think the two things about it is, and you're
Speaker 3: one hundred percent right when it comes to the offensive line.
Speaker 3: This Dolphins offense, and I would say the same thing
Speaker 3: about most Shanahan teams, like the San Francisco forty nine
Speaker 3: ers are the same way as talented as they are
Speaker 3: at the skill positions. It all runs through the offensive line,
Speaker 3: it all runs through the blocking schemes, and it all
Speaker 3: runs through the offensive line. So if you can it's
Speaker 3: just you know, it's not like anything revolution like. It's
Speaker 3: the same for a lot of great passing offenses. If
Speaker 3: you can disrupt and get pressure and take over the
Speaker 3: line of scrimmage in this game, then you're gonna have
Speaker 3: a much better chance to beat them. Whether they have
Speaker 3: Tyreek kill or they don't. Right like that, that's just
Speaker 3: the bottom line. So in Week three, Week two, excuse me,
Speaker 3: the first time that they played the Dolphins here, they
Speaker 3: I thought that their game plan had sound reasoning behind it.
Speaker 3: I understood what they were trying to accomplish with the lights,
Speaker 3: you know, the soft zone and the light boxes and
Speaker 3: the three deep safety look they came out with in
Speaker 3: the open drive from Miami. But like I mentioned before
Speaker 3: the break, the issue with it was that the timing
Speaker 3: of the offense and getting the ball out of his
Speaker 3: hands and hitting the quick underneath throws and setting up
Speaker 3: the yac plays. That's Tua's bread and butter, like that's
Speaker 3: that's how he plays his best. So, yes, you kept
Speaker 3: the top on the defense. They had one deep pass completion,
Speaker 3: They had a couple of like mini explosives, but they
Speaker 3: didn't have any of those like seventy five yard Tyreek
Speaker 3: Hill just running through everybody and see you later. Those
Speaker 3: types of plays. Yeah, they took those away, but what
Speaker 3: they didn't take away was the fact that Tua averaged
Speaker 3: I think two point zero eight seconds and time to
Speaker 3: throw in that game sixty or no excuse me, seventy
Speaker 3: percent of his throws came out in under two and
Speaker 3: a half seconds. Yeah, he was just carving you up
Speaker 3: and hitting the top of his drop, getting the ball
Speaker 3: out immediately. Those types of throws are that's too a
Speaker 3: that's that's his comfort zone. It might their offense might
Speaker 3: be more explosive than that, but the quarterback thrives in
Speaker 3: that type of way.
Speaker 4: And the reason they're able to do that is they
Speaker 4: have these receivers Tyreek Kill, Jalen Waddle yack monsters. Well, yes,
Speaker 4: elite release packages, because you can't throw the ball in
Speaker 4: two seconds if nobody's open and it's not easy to
Speaker 4: get open that quick.
Speaker 3: Yeah, burst off the line.
Speaker 4: So if those guys are well, if Heill's not playing
Speaker 4: and Waddle's playing, hurt. Yeah, if I'm the pain, this
Speaker 4: sounds kind of concert counter to what you would normally
Speaker 4: do against Miami? Do you jam them a little bit
Speaker 4: this week? That?
Speaker 3: Yes, And I would do it even if those guys
Speaker 3: were out there and at one hundred.
Speaker 4: Per just because of the offensive line.
Speaker 3: So the strategy against the Dolphins that has worked the
Speaker 3: most is two man two man coverage. So you're playing
Speaker 3: two d keep safeties with man coverage underneath it.
Speaker 11: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And the reason why a lot of teams so two
Speaker 3: man is probably one of the least popular coverages to
Speaker 3: play in the NFL. The reason why, the reason why
Speaker 3: a lot of teams don't play two man is because
Speaker 3: there's nobody to account for the quarterback. So if you're
Speaker 3: facing a mobile quarterback, you can't play too man.
Speaker 4: You can do two men with a spy, but then
Speaker 4: you have like no pass.
Speaker 3: Rush you really can't. Like then you're really talking about
Speaker 3: like a three man rush. So if you want to
Speaker 3: rush four and you want to play you know, conventional
Speaker 3: defense that way, in terms of the pass rush, you
Speaker 3: can't play two men against a mobile quarterback. So playing
Speaker 3: two men against Buffalo is no disaster, right, Like, You're
Speaker 3: not gonna do that playing two man against Lamar Jackson
Speaker 3: like just like ha, like what do you? What the
Speaker 3: heck are you doing? Tua is not somebody that I'm
Speaker 3: too worried about beating you with his legs. If that's
Speaker 3: how they're beating you, you chal that up as a win.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 3: So a lot of teams that have had success Philadelphia
Speaker 3: this past week, Buffalo last year, like the Chargers like
Speaker 3: randomly had a great game against this Dolphins offense, a
Speaker 3: lot of those teams have played two man. So you
Speaker 3: play two deep safeties and you put those guys over
Speaker 3: the top to help against the verticals, and then you
Speaker 3: play inside leverage man to man. So the other thing
Speaker 3: along with rhythm throws right and alongo with getting the
Speaker 3: ball out of his hands quickly, the other thing that
Speaker 3: TWOA loves to do is to throw in breaking routes.
Speaker 3: That's that offense, right. Yeah, So the three most the
Speaker 3: guys that throw in breaking routes at the highest percentage
Speaker 3: in the league. I bet you you could guess it
Speaker 3: because it's all Shanahan guys.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Tua Purdy yeah, and Wilson Jets, Jared Goff, oh
Speaker 4: close enough. Those they don't have those kind of I
Speaker 4: guess they do.
Speaker 3: So if you play two man one, you can jam
Speaker 3: at the line of scrimmage to throw off the timing, right,
Speaker 3: so now he's got to hold the ball and wait
Speaker 3: for it to develop. Two you can try to force
Speaker 3: to it to throw the ball outside the numbers. And
Speaker 3: I'm not talking about verticals outside the numbers. I'm talking
Speaker 3: about like outs, flats, like things outside the numbers. So
Speaker 3: that way, there you protect the inside of the field,
Speaker 3: you protect against the verticals, and you make them beat
Speaker 3: you throwing you know, twelve yard outs to the brax
Speaker 3: and barrios right like or whatever. If they beat you
Speaker 3: that way, then you just have to tip the cap
Speaker 3: and say good job, you did it right. So the
Speaker 3: other thing that the Eagles did along with the timing.
Speaker 3: So I think that this is like the reason why
Speaker 3: I bring up the coverage is because I think Philly
Speaker 3: people watch that game and they watch Phillies front dominate
Speaker 3: the Dolphins offensive line, and they said, the reason why
Speaker 3: Philly won that game and shut down the Miami offense
Speaker 3: was because they have that defensive front. Their pass rushers
Speaker 3: are insane. You know, Reddick, the rookie forget his name
Speaker 3: for some j Jalen Carter. Those guys are awesome. There's
Speaker 3: some truth to that, absolutely, But they weren't allowing to
Speaker 3: to get the ball out of his hands quickly. They
Speaker 3: made him hold the football and that was because of
Speaker 3: the way that they played coverage. So the other wrinkle
Speaker 3: that they did and Sean Decide, you know, got a
Speaker 3: lot of his own flowers this week for his game
Speaker 3: plan against Miami, Shandacida also played tilted coverage, so he
Speaker 3: tilted the deep safeties to Tyree Kill's side of the field.
Speaker 3: So the biggest issue with playing two men against Miami
Speaker 3: is that if you play that coverage and you play
Speaker 3: the corner inside shade on the receiver, all that they'll
Speaker 3: do is they'll just run fades to the sideline for
Speaker 3: Tyree Kill and the safety that's midpointing or playing the half,
Speaker 3: he has a long way to go right to impact
Speaker 3: that throw. So what the the Eagles did is they
Speaker 3: put the safety on the numbers and they just put
Speaker 3: him right over the fade, so that way there, it
Speaker 3: had to go underneath and to the outside. So hold
Speaker 3: the football and then limit the yards after the catch, right,
Speaker 3: That's what Philly did. They pressure to it by holding
Speaker 3: the football. They limit the yards after the catch, and
Speaker 3: they took away the bread and butter routes. They didn't
Speaker 3: let them hit those skinnies. You know they love skinny posts, crossers, verticals.
Speaker 3: They didn't let him hit those routes. And that's how
Speaker 3: you shut down Miami. So if you can do that
Speaker 3: in this game, and I think you do that almost
Speaker 3: regardless of whether or not Tyreek kills out there or not,
Speaker 3: because even though the effectiveness with Braxon Barrios and Cedric
Speaker 3: Wilson and those guys is not going to be the same,
Speaker 3: I don't think Mike McDaniel is going to completely reinvent
Speaker 3: his offense on three series. So they're gonna run what
Speaker 3: they're gonna run. And I think that's the main key
Speaker 3: to getting to Tua is to get him to hold
Speaker 3: the football and take away the quick game stuff. They
Speaker 3: haven't been able to do that against Tua, even going
Speaker 3: back to Brian Flores, Like remember the first couple games
Speaker 3: against too, it was like all rpo and quick game
Speaker 3: and all this crap, and that they was just getting
Speaker 3: the ball out of his hands quickly. And the box
Speaker 3: score numbers weren't like overly impressive, but they controlled the
Speaker 3: pace of the game on offense, and that's kind of
Speaker 3: how I thought that the Week two game went. They
Speaker 3: only scored twenty four points, They only had like three
Speaker 3: hundred and eighty yards of offense. It wasn't like this
Speaker 3: big offensive explosion for the Dolphins, but they were extremely
Speaker 3: successful on their plays. I think they were like sixty
Speaker 3: percent success rate, and they just they controlled the pace
Speaker 3: of the game. They controlled possession, they controlled the pace,
Speaker 3: and honestly, like the Patriots really didn't stop them all
Speaker 3: that much. They got the one turnover by Christian Gonzales
Speaker 3: and then they got some nice red zone plays and
Speaker 3: things like that, and to A tripped all over himself
Speaker 3: on one third down in the red zone and that's
Speaker 3: how you get the twenty four. So that's a game plan. Defensively,
Speaker 3: I think against Tua is you have to play man,
Speaker 3: but you have to play with the two deep safeties
Speaker 3: over the top. You play single high against them, you're
Speaker 3: asking for trouble.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I think again, just disrupt the timing pass rush
Speaker 4: will be big this week. I think you gotta get
Speaker 4: in his face that' see. I add to what you said.
Speaker 4: I think he got to get in his face. And
Speaker 4: another thing, hands up in the passing lines. Yeah, it's
Speaker 4: something they haven't done as well against him that they
Speaker 4: probably should be.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Is he six foot six to.
Speaker 3: One right, Yeah, and he likes to throw over the middle.
Speaker 4: Right, So you're getting this push now, and the Dolphins
Speaker 4: are seeing that on tape and they're gonna be more
Speaker 4: cognizant of that. You gotta be ready when he throws
Speaker 4: ball to get those hands up. Anthony Jennings, he was
Speaker 4: amazing at this in college.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was. He's a long guy.
Speaker 4: He was as good as knocking passes down the line
Speaker 4: of scrimmed as anybody. When they drafted him, I thought
Speaker 4: it was part of the reason. Uh, you know, get
Speaker 4: him in here and have him just rub some of
Speaker 4: these RPOs, Christian Barmore. If he's gonna be getting that pressure.
Speaker 4: These are guys, by the way they played with Tua
Speaker 4: that will have a good idea of the timing and
Speaker 4: what he wants to do. I think this is another game.
Speaker 4: The covered stuff's all important, but especially if you don't
Speaker 4: have Tyreek Hill and Jalen Watdalls banged up. They're also
Speaker 4: healthier at corner than they were in that last matchup.
Speaker 4: Member they they'll have Jack Jones who they didn't have.
Speaker 4: They weren't of Gonzales, but they'll have Jack Jones who
Speaker 4: they didn't have that game, the lift John Jones who
Speaker 4: they didn't have in that game, and they'll ja C
Speaker 4: Jackson they hadn't traded for yet.
Speaker 3: Right, it's manageable.
Speaker 4: It's mangible in the back end without Tyreek Kill and
Speaker 4: Jalen Wadle banged up. Doesn't mean it's easy, but it's manageable.
Speaker 4: If that offensive line is banged up as it is,
Speaker 4: they need to get to a scene ghosts in terms
Speaker 4: of the pass rush in this game, and it's something
Speaker 4: I think they can do. That's what I'll be looking
Speaker 4: for first and foremost.
Speaker 3: Last thing, and then we'll take some more of these calls.
Speaker 3: The other thing that the Eagles were able to do
Speaker 3: in that game that the Patriots simply didn't do well
Speaker 3: was stop the run out of light boxes and that
Speaker 3: that's the front, right, that's.
Speaker 4: Where Jawan Bentley shows up. That's where your your hope
Speaker 4: and Jowan Bentley shows up and plays a big game.
Speaker 3: So I thought a huge, huge part of that game
Speaker 3: early on was how well the Eagles played the run
Speaker 3: game against Miami, and Miami then got behind, they basically
Speaker 3: had to go. They only ran the ball I think
Speaker 3: twelve times with their running backs in that game. That
Speaker 3: that's that's a key. Like you have to be able
Speaker 3: to stop the run out of six seven man boxes
Speaker 3: because you're not gonna put You're not gonna stack the
Speaker 3: boxgainst Miami, so you have to be able to stop
Speaker 3: the run out of too high shell. That was what
Speaker 3: That's the difference between the Eagles defensive line. Like that's
Speaker 3: where like that comes in, right, is that their dominant
Speaker 3: defensive line has that ability to just go out there
Speaker 3: and stop you. But you also have to remember, like
Speaker 3: what we've been saying about their offensive line, they have
Speaker 3: some banged up pieces on the their missing three fists
Speaker 3: of their offensive line, So you need to take advantage
Speaker 3: of that. And that really needs to translate to the
Speaker 3: run game and stopping the run against the Patriots, they
Speaker 3: average over six yards per attempt against light boxes. You know,
Speaker 3: forty three of those came on one run. But even
Speaker 3: if you take the moster touchdown run out of it,
Speaker 3: it's still over four yards to carry.
Speaker 4: Yeah, still too much. No you need This is a
Speaker 4: big bounce back game for Jwan Bentley. Yeah, because that's him,
Speaker 4: that's him making contact before the guy can bounce it
Speaker 4: to the outside.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, All right, let's get to Todd in North Carolina.
Speaker 3: Thanks for calling back, Todd. What's up.
Speaker 7: Yeah, they're focusing a lot on the D. But I
Speaker 7: think this game is going to be about our offense,
Speaker 7: and I really think that one of the keys to
Speaker 7: the game is just be consistent and don't turn it over.
Speaker 7: You know, I think that's what we need. We need,
Speaker 7: But I'm not gonna say that it's the perfect game.
Speaker 7: But just get some plays out there, get it moving,
Speaker 7: and you know, so we don't constantly have to face
Speaker 7: two US and eventually that'll just that quick game will
Speaker 7: wear our defense down.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 7: What do you guys think?
Speaker 3: Yeah, good call Todd. Thanks for calling in. Uh yeah,
Speaker 3: I wanted to talk about the offense too. It's not
Speaker 3: we're not all just a rapid defense, So just haven't
Speaker 3: gone to the offense yet. Offensively, I you know, I
Speaker 3: like Bill O'Brien, so this is not like I'm not
Speaker 3: trying to dump on Bill O'Brien. But Vic Fangio got
Speaker 3: him in week two. You just did. Now. It didn't
Speaker 3: help that they were playing Calvin Anderson and Vederi and
Speaker 3: Low as their two tackles right.
Speaker 4: Afferent and did Ye Stranger one who both played next.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but they were playing Calvin Anderson and Vaderian lower
Speaker 3: Turnstiles in that game. They were horrible. And then they
Speaker 3: also bench Pop Douglas after the fumble. So you're taking
Speaker 3: that's a big difference about where this team is at
Speaker 3: now versus where this team was at in week two.
Speaker 3: But Fangio's system is very hard. It's a really good
Speaker 3: sound system. Now, Miami statistically is not a good defense.
Speaker 3: They're twenty fourth in DVOA. They're down near the bottom
Speaker 3: of the league in points break. They've given up twenty
Speaker 3: seven points a game. You know, they haven't played well
Speaker 3: on defense this year on the whole. And sticking with
Speaker 3: the injury theme, Javon Holland their best player on defense,
Speaker 3: is in kacussion protocol. He's not going to play. Like
Speaker 3: there's like a seventy five percent chance he's not playing
Speaker 3: in this game.
Speaker 4: They also have five corners that were limited yesterday.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we'll see if Ramsey's back or not.
Speaker 4: So help me square this. Yeah, if people remember way
Speaker 4: back and I wrote about this way back on ninety
Speaker 4: eighty five the sports sub dot com if people want
Speaker 4: to go find it. Yeah, I was not a big
Speaker 4: Ramsey guy this offseason. Yeah, I just think his best
Speaker 4: football is behind him. I agree, it doesn't mean he's
Speaker 4: not serviceable. But every single time he went up against
Speaker 4: the top receiver line year, he got torched. Patriots don't
Speaker 4: exactly have a top receiver. But I'm sitting here, like,
Speaker 4: if he plays, I want them to test him. I
Speaker 4: kind of want them to test him to see where
Speaker 4: he's really at.
Speaker 3: What's better than thrown at Zavian Howard?
Speaker 4: Right, But like how do you test it? Like I
Speaker 4: don't know who the guy is to test him, right,
Speaker 4: So That's what I'm stuck on.
Speaker 3: So I think the question is is.
Speaker 4: Although Zavian Howard's hurt too, let's not forget that.
Speaker 3: If he does play, Ramsey if he does play, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I have I wonder what Fangio's plan is with him,
Speaker 3: because I think that there's a chance that he plays
Speaker 3: the star role and he's in the slot because he's
Speaker 3: always been a guy that's that's played a little bit
Speaker 3: inside and he's always had that skill set, and in
Speaker 3: that defense, the star role is maybe the most important
Speaker 3: role in the entire defense because the way that they
Speaker 3: rotate their safeties and the way that they play coverage,
Speaker 3: they you have to have a really good nickel like
Speaker 3: that's important for that defense. So I wonder if maybe
Speaker 3: that that's where they're going with Ramsey and that's why
Speaker 3: they acquired him. And to your point, Okay, maybe he's
Speaker 3: not the guy to carry routes on the outside anymore
Speaker 3: than he was early on in his career. So let's
Speaker 3: move him in kind of how they you know, some
Speaker 3: guys move to safety like later on in their career, right,
Speaker 3: but in this in term, it's we're moving him into
Speaker 3: the slot. So if they if Ramsey plays and he
Speaker 3: plays in the slot like I think he might, then
Speaker 3: he does become a big factor in this game, because
Speaker 3: that's where the Patriots want to throw the ball, right,
Speaker 3: So I think that becomes a factor. So with Fangio,
Speaker 3: everybody in the in the league is a little bit
Speaker 3: of Fangio. Now, they like Fangio is the hottest guy
Speaker 3: in the league right now. Defensively plays a ton of
Speaker 3: split safety zone, a ton of two high split safety zone.
Speaker 3: The base coverage in his coverage is Cover six, which
Speaker 3: is quarter quarter half, So you have quarters to one side, right,
Speaker 3: a deep fourth deep fourth quarters to one side, and
Speaker 3: then you have Cover two to the backside. That that's
Speaker 3: how they play it. So you can beat that coverage
Speaker 3: down the field. But it's essentially designed to take away
Speaker 3: big plays, which is why everybody plays it now because
Speaker 3: of all the quarterbacks and passing games and things like that.
Speaker 3: So you can set up big plays down the field.
Speaker 3: But in order to hit shot plays down the field
Speaker 3: against Vangio, you need time. You need the quarterback has
Speaker 3: to have time in the pocket because what you're gonna
Speaker 3: do is you're gonna clear out right, You're gonna clear
Speaker 3: out the quarters side and then you're gonna send routes
Speaker 3: from the backside into the quarter's side. But in order
Speaker 3: to do that, you need the quarterback to have some
Speaker 3: time in the pocket. To let that develop. So that's
Speaker 3: where the Patriots ran into problems in the first match
Speaker 3: of is every time they try to dial up a
Speaker 3: coverage beater to go down the field a little bit,
Speaker 3: they couldn't block it. So then they had to go
Speaker 3: to the quick game. When we went to the quick game,
Speaker 3: they didn't really average. You know, it was all five
Speaker 3: yard throws, like he was throwing the ball four or
Speaker 3: five yards at pop. And that's a difficult way to
Speaker 3: live is to go down the field like that consistently.
Speaker 3: So in general, I think when you play against Fangio,
Speaker 3: you have two choices. Either you try to hit the
Speaker 3: shot plays down the field that are going to take
Speaker 3: longer to develop, or they can continue to do what
Speaker 3: they kept that what they've been doing, and try to
Speaker 3: open up the underneath part of the zone and try
Speaker 3: to throw the ball that way. If Miami has health
Speaker 3: on their side at the cornerback positions, I do also
Speaker 3: think that they're gonna play some man to man in
Speaker 3: this game. You know, if they have Howard, if they
Speaker 3: have Ramsey, you know, I think that they will try
Speaker 3: to play some man, which they did in week two
Speaker 3: as well. So it's a it's a tough matchup because
Speaker 3: I think the biggest thing with Fangio, like I just mentioned,
Speaker 3: he wants you to go death by a thousand paper cuts,
Speaker 3: like he wants you to have to beat him by
Speaker 3: going ten to fifteen play drives. The other thing that
Speaker 3: he makes difficult is it's really hard to decipher the
Speaker 3: coverage pre snap. They're a really good disguised team. They
Speaker 3: play six cover six, but they can get to different
Speaker 3: things out of cover six really easily with post snap rotation.
Speaker 3: So you can play three, you can play man to man,
Speaker 3: and it all looks the same to the quarterback. So
Speaker 3: that's a difficult part about it. That's why everybody's obsessed
Speaker 3: with the system is because it takes away big plays
Speaker 3: and a mix the quarterback hold the football and read
Speaker 3: things out post nap. So if you're the Patriots, I
Speaker 3: think that this is a game where you do want
Speaker 3: to try to spread them out again and try to
Speaker 3: get the ball out of mac Jones's hands, and then
Speaker 3: the chess match comes into play of well, Fangio probably
Speaker 3: knows you're gonna try to do that, so how do
Speaker 3: you you know, how do you one up him in
Speaker 3: that phase of the game. The other thing with the
Speaker 3: run game. They changed up how they stopped the run
Speaker 3: a little bit. In week two. They started slanting the
Speaker 3: defensive line right, so you come in at like a
Speaker 3: forty five degree angle and you slant into the gaps.
Speaker 3: Typically they are one gap and a half defense, so
Speaker 3: they're gonna play the primary gap and they're gonna flow
Speaker 3: to the secondary gap. They went up the field against
Speaker 3: the Patriots last time. I think that took the Patriots
Speaker 3: by a little bit by surprise. But I'm curious to see,
Speaker 3: you know, how they go about building off of what
Speaker 3: they did last week. But then at the same time,
Speaker 3: you know, Fangio is going to watch that film and
Speaker 3: if you're predictable, he's gonna have answers for what you
Speaker 3: did against Buffalo. Right, So let's get into the calls.
Speaker 3: Uh Mark is in Connecticut? What's up? Mark going on?
Speaker 3: And Alex, Hey, how you doing that?
Speaker 11: Would do with Evan as always, but our guy Pop
Speaker 11: Douglas is popping as he should. But what I wanted
Speaker 11: to ask you guys is Devont Parker, Juju Smith, Schuster.
Speaker 11: They were They're irrelevant. Now can we trade them? Can
Speaker 11: we cut them without taking a big loss? Because I
Speaker 11: want to see I want to see more, uh you know,
Speaker 11: more of the young guys Taekwon, Thwarton, Kijon Boute, Bob Douglas.
Speaker 11: You know, we need to get those guys, Jalen Riger,
Speaker 11: We need to get those guys more involved and time
Speaker 11: to get rid of these two guys that are bumped.
Speaker 11: They just they don't do anything.
Speaker 5: It was.
Speaker 11: It was a bad sign. I think will Bill admit
Speaker 11: to being a bad time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a good call, and uh, we're with you.
Speaker 3: We're with you, And I will say, you know, DeVante
Speaker 3: Parker has his flaws, like we know that, and I
Speaker 3: we we we did that last week with the Raiders,
Speaker 3: Like the drop was horrible. I thought someone his route
Speaker 3: running and just effort in that game was horrible. And
Speaker 3: the coaches agreed he only played seventeen or ran seventeen routes.
Speaker 3: I forget the exact snap. Yeah, he didn't play as much. Right,
Speaker 3: so they saw it. They they recognize it and they
Speaker 3: saw it. But I do think that with his body type,
Speaker 3: like you kind of said, you know earlier about the
Speaker 3: red zone and like goal line packages and things like that.
Speaker 3: I also think that on like inbreakers like slants, like
Speaker 3: having a bigger frame, like, yeah, he can. He can
Speaker 3: help in those regards, and you don't necessarily have another
Speaker 3: big bodied outside body type like that next a true
Speaker 3: traditional extent unless're gonna start puting. Yeah, so I think
Speaker 3: that he has a role. Is it should it be
Speaker 3: reduced one hundred and ten percent? But I think Parker
Speaker 3: has as a role. Yeah, I don't see Juju's role.
Speaker 4: He got he got Remember how we were talking all
Speaker 4: summer rebellus to Mario Douglas going to catch tack on Thornton. Yeah,
Speaker 4: not only did you that he got Juju, he got
Speaker 4: Wally Pipped a little bit, he got Wally. Bill brought
Speaker 4: up Wally Pip yesterday.
Speaker 3: Who did h Yeah that works too, I guess.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Bill loves him to Wally Pipe.
Speaker 3: He knew what he was. He That was one of
Speaker 3: his better jokes. Like sometimes like people last Bill's jokes
Speaker 3: because because it's Bill. But that was a good one.
Speaker 3: Like he was Wes, he was Wes welkering it, I
Speaker 3: know what he know?
Speaker 4: Did he's joking when he said it to Welker though.
Speaker 3: No, I think he meant that.
Speaker 4: No, he was no way to compete Welker, and he
Speaker 4: never saw him again. I yeah, I think with juju, like,
Speaker 4: so you can't. I got to pull up the exact
Speaker 4: details contract, going to get past. Cap is going to
Speaker 4: get mad at me, rightfully, rightfully, he can't cut them.
Speaker 4: People got to get this information right. So it is,
Speaker 4: I know. But to make the rest of my take, yeah,
Speaker 4: so there's I mean, it's you lose a leg. It's
Speaker 4: not even like there's minimal cap savings. You lose eleven
Speaker 4: million dollars in cap space.
Speaker 3: If you come this year. Okay, definitely can't cut him
Speaker 3: this year.
Speaker 4: Starting next year, if you trade, you can't cut him. No,
Speaker 4: if you trade him, the money gets split about fifty
Speaker 4: to fifty. It's five million ish in dead cap. Five
Speaker 4: million is in savings.
Speaker 3: Which for a team that has one hundred million dollars
Speaker 3: in cap space next offseason, you can eat it.
Speaker 9: Well.
Speaker 4: The other thing I would say is like, so in
Speaker 4: the past, like you couldn't make that trade. Yeah, if
Speaker 4: they could trade. John new Smith said yes, So that
Speaker 4: that's where I'm at. Like I used to I used
Speaker 4: to be in this in this camp, and everything you
Speaker 4: said about Parker this year is correct. I think this offseason,
Speaker 4: when you may have a chance to bring in another
Speaker 4: big body wide receiver. This changes in the past. I
Speaker 4: would say, you're stuck with these guys. If they can
Speaker 4: trade John new Smith for a seventh round pick, maybe
Speaker 4: there's if they look it helps them too, that John
Speaker 4: who's been good in Atlanta this year, Maybe Carl falcons again.
Speaker 3: Yeah, or maybe just you know, point to and say, hey,
Speaker 3: it wasn't a scheme fit for us here, right, Like
Speaker 3: you know with Johnny Smith, he goes back to Arthur
Speaker 3: Smith and Atlanta and he's having a decent year. So
Speaker 3: maybe Juju goes back to Kansas City.
Speaker 4: So that's that That would be my first call. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it would be the Kansas City Chiefs. Yeah, but like
Speaker 4: that you have you can't cut them. You can't Parker
Speaker 4: or Juju, so you can't cut them.
Speaker 3: Juju essentially signed a two year deal, right Like it's
Speaker 3: two years essentially fully guaranteed, and the third year I
Speaker 3: think there.
Speaker 4: Is two point six.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a way to wiggle out of the third
Speaker 3: year of the contract.
Speaker 4: Mostly there's still some tad money.
Speaker 3: So that way, when you look at that, like if
Speaker 3: a team like Kansas City acquires him, for example, next
Speaker 3: off season in a trade takes him off the Patriots hands.
Speaker 3: They could get one good year out of Juju like
Speaker 3: they did in the Super Bowl year last year, and
Speaker 3: then they could probably walk away from him too after
Speaker 3: twenty twenty four. So that could be appealing and not
Speaker 3: for a team that knows that he's had success there already.
Speaker 3: Now that's a very unique situation, just like the Falcons
Speaker 3: were a very unique situation with John Ay because John
Speaker 3: Who's best year in the NFL is with Arthur Smith
Speaker 3: as his offensive coordinator in Tennessee. So it's a similar thing.
Speaker 3: I The bigger question that I have, and I get why,
Speaker 3: you know, Mark brings up the future with those two players.
Speaker 3: The bigger question that I have is the here and now,
Speaker 3: Like are the Patriots going to do right by the
Speaker 3: twenty twenty three team and not force Juju back into
Speaker 3: the lineup now that he's healthy, Because I it wouldn't
Speaker 3: shock me either way. It wouldn't shock me if you know,
Speaker 3: they get out in Miami and like there, you know,
Speaker 3: he runs off the sideline and he's one of the
Speaker 3: right back in the mix. It also wouldn't shock me
Speaker 3: if if they recognize that, hey, we got to roll
Speaker 3: with you know what worked against Buffalo, and this is
Speaker 3: what we're sticking with. But like I said earlier, it's
Speaker 3: it's not easy to walk away from that investment, like
Speaker 3: you gave this guy fifteen.
Speaker 4: But that's what the that's always been a core tenant
Speaker 4: of Belichick, or for a long time was a core
Speaker 4: tenant of Belichick, was it doesn't matter if you're the
Speaker 4: first round pick, the seventh round pick, doesn't matter, if
Speaker 4: you're on a ten million dollar contract, doesn't matter if
Speaker 4: you're on an eight hundred and fifty thousand dollars contract. Yeah,
Speaker 4: we're gonna play the players. We're gonna play the best players,
Speaker 4: and it's hard to argue right now that Juju from
Speaker 4: the Shooter is one of the best players. I also think,
Speaker 4: just like I know, he hasn't been on the injury report,
Speaker 4: but his knee doesn't look right. Yeah, maybe some time
Speaker 4: off helps him.
Speaker 3: I was I was seriously wondering, especially because Jalen Rager
Speaker 3: has now come on a little bit. Kishon Booty has
Speaker 3: come on a little bit. You know, excuse me, Ragers
Speaker 3: come on and you have Kishon Booty. Booty's doing that thing,
Speaker 3: and you have Kishon Boody. You know, I actually thought
Speaker 3: when he got the concussion that ir was was maybe
Speaker 3: a consideration. I thought so too, like just a it's
Speaker 3: more just a reset, right, like of you know, let's
Speaker 3: get you ten percent, maybe get your knee into a
Speaker 3: better spot, and then let's revisit where we are health wise,
Speaker 3: where we are in terms of contention and all that
Speaker 3: kind of stuff four years or four weeks away, and
Speaker 3: they didn't do that. You know, he's he's back out
Speaker 3: at practice, he wasn't on the injury report yesterday. He's
Speaker 3: ready to go, he's healthy, he can play in the
Speaker 3: game on Sunday. I'm really fascinated to see how they
Speaker 3: approach that. And they have seven wide receivers I think
Speaker 3: now on the fifty three with Rager, and then they
Speaker 3: have Time Montgomery too, you know, so it's like seven
Speaker 3: and a half.
Speaker 4: They won't play Tom Montgomery. They've made that blatantly clear.
Speaker 3: So it's a it's gonna be interesting to see where
Speaker 3: they go from here at that position in terms of
Speaker 3: snaps and things like that. Do I think that either
Speaker 3: one of those guys can be moved by the deadline. No,
Speaker 3: I don't think anybody's taken. Maybe Parker like, I think
Speaker 3: Parker's had enough okay film that you could talk a
Speaker 3: team into that needs. You know, an outside receiver. Juju
Speaker 3: is not tradable at the moment, you know, just not tradable.
Speaker 3: He's been one of the worst receivers in the league.
Speaker 3: Anything else, You got some key matchups for us? Got
Speaker 3: some key Yeah, he talked. We touched on them, most.
Speaker 4: Of we I think we touched on most of them.
Speaker 4: I mean the big thing for me is tackling bar
Speaker 4: More versus the backup interior offensive line. Ye, all right, yeah,
Speaker 4: I got one more. You'll love this. The Patriots gave
Speaker 4: the Dolphins a little something special in that Week two game,
Speaker 4: right with the field goal block. It wouldn't surprise me
Speaker 4: if the Dolphins come back with a little something for
Speaker 4: the Patriots. If Danny Crossman, and maybe it's not on
Speaker 4: the field goal, maybe it's something, but they pants Danny
Speaker 4: Crossman's unite, they pants them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, does he pants them back?
Speaker 4: Right? Does he try? Maybe it's on a punt, maybe
Speaker 4: it's on a gick return, but the blood whatever. I
Speaker 4: would just be very vigilant as Patriots special teams this week.
Speaker 4: You gotta expect the unexpected because and then I guess
Speaker 4: building off of that, they're obviously going to be ready
Speaker 4: for the Patriots. They know that Jake Bailey is the
Speaker 4: tell right did the patriotsack? Are they going to build
Speaker 4: off of that Schooler play? So last week on the
Speaker 4: missfield goal, I don't know how much it impacted it,
Speaker 4: if at all, but.
Speaker 3: Miles Bryant was running, Yeah, Miles Bryant was running.
Speaker 4: Like like Schooler was on that play.
Speaker 3: So well, I think it does because we have watched
Speaker 3: two kickers, because didn't they get the kicker again on
Speaker 3: it or was it a different game?
Speaker 4: No, it was that it was that game they got
Speaker 4: him again because he didn't block it. But like he
Speaker 4: pushed it right, Sanders, he's staring down Schoolers, he's running again.
Speaker 3: He pushed it left right. Explorer was coming from the
Speaker 3: right and he pushed it left. So I think it's
Speaker 3: a factor. I think it's a factor whether he boxed
Speaker 3: it or not. I do you know, kickers are so
Speaker 3: you know better than me. Kickers are so finicky, right like,
Speaker 3: and when guys are doing weird stuff like it just
Speaker 3: kind of comes out of nowhere. Last well, you know,
Speaker 3: I'm excited to see assuming he's healthy, Jonathan Jones the stopper,
Speaker 3: the Tyree kill stopper, assuming well the Tyre Kills not well,
Speaker 3: maybe the Bultpip playing. But last one here for key
Speaker 3: matches because you mentioned Barmore, which I think is a
Speaker 3: huge one. Again it's lester cotton, like Barmore should take
Speaker 3: lesser cotton behind the woodshed and eat him for lunch,
Speaker 3: right like that that should be what that is the
Speaker 3: last one here City Sow versus Christian Wilkins that this
Speaker 3: is so last time around, hopefully with the last time
Speaker 3: in Week two. It was the edge pressure because of
Speaker 3: the tackle situation, assuming the Patriots have Trent Brown and
Speaker 3: Mike on Winu out at tackle, I'm a little less
Speaker 3: concerned about the tackle, you know, the edge pressure from
Speaker 3: Bradley Chubb, and I think Jalen Phillips is gonna be
Speaker 3: one of the few Dolphins you know, marquee players it's
Speaker 3: actually gonna play in this game are Bradley Chubb and
Speaker 3: Jalen Phillips. But Wilkins Lisa Rine up line up over
Speaker 3: the right side like he's he likes to play either
Speaker 3: the one or the three on over the right guard,
Speaker 3: like I think it's seventy five percent of his snaps
Speaker 3: or something like that, or are to the defense's left,
Speaker 3: the offense is right. So he's one of those guys
Speaker 3: that has a spot that he typically favors, and that's
Speaker 3: gonna be City So. And I think City So PFF,
Speaker 3: like we all have our you know, ups and downs.
Speaker 3: I think with PFF grades and things like that, I
Speaker 3: thought they were overly generous to City So in their
Speaker 3: grading last week.
Speaker 4: He was fine.
Speaker 3: He was fine, But like saying he was one of
Speaker 3: the best offensive lineman in the NFL.
Speaker 4: Highest grade any rookie lineman has gotten in a game
Speaker 4: this season, something like that, there was something that attached
Speaker 4: that's bogus.
Speaker 3: Let's face it, that's bogus.
Speaker 4: So save those for next year.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I think that that's still a mismatch for
Speaker 3: the Patriots in terms of that right guard spot. Now,
Speaker 3: David Andrews and I know a Belichick with Mac Jones
Speaker 3: both talked about this a little bit yesterday. He definitely
Speaker 3: deserves a ton of credit for the fact that he's
Speaker 3: been helping.
Speaker 4: Both deserves a ton of credit for a lot of things.
Speaker 3: Frankly, both guards like both because, like, let's face it,
Speaker 3: Cole Strange is a he still hasn't played a ton
Speaker 3: of football because he's and hurt and everything like that,
Speaker 3: but be you know, he still needs some help too.
Speaker 3: I think that, you know, I would love and this
Speaker 3: is never gonna happen, but I would love to hear
Speaker 3: like not even you know Belichick mentioned yesterday, it's not
Speaker 3: just like helping set the protections and help post snap,
Speaker 3: like picking up stunts, and it's also like the little
Speaker 3: reminders pre snap right, Like it's like, hey, like don't
Speaker 3: forget about this, right, or don't be fooled by that,
Speaker 3: or you know when you your footwork, like the last
Speaker 3: one was a little like this, like we need it
Speaker 3: more a little like that, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: And like these little things that he's just tips and
Speaker 3: reminders and things like that that he's giving those guys.
Speaker 3: I am sure, David Andrews, if you could like get
Speaker 3: an audio of he probably has like a freaking essay
Speaker 3: worth of words in a game, right of just little
Speaker 3: tips and reminders and little you know, watch for this
Speaker 3: is watch for that. And I think that that's going
Speaker 3: on left and right for both guards honestly on a
Speaker 3: game to game all right, we're gonna wrap. We got
Speaker 3: unfiltered starting out at noon, so just hang around here
Speaker 3: for a couple of minutes. Oh, I think we got
Speaker 3: we got boss Man back. I think Bossman's back from
Speaker 3: jury duty, so that's good. And Deuce and Paul and
Speaker 3: are ready to go, and they're chopping at the bit
Speaker 3: to get in here. So that's good. And we'll see
Speaker 3: you guys. This is probably gonna be our time, probably,
Speaker 3: so ten am is probably gonna be our time moving forward.
Speaker 3: So we'll see you guys next week. Thanks for listening, but.
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