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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex Barth.

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Speaker 2: Blazar and Lazarre.

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Speaker 3: Hell, everybody nailed it. Joined us always by our bar.

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Speaker 4: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex Barr.

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Speaker 3: The general sense or feeling that I get around the

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Speaker 3: team right now. This is not a report, So Dov

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Speaker 3: climbing like, don't don't hit me with the I'm just

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Speaker 3: telling you.

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Speaker 4: Was always king telling you what I'm feeling as a

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Speaker 4: person that's around the team quite a bit. Catch Catch.

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Speaker 3: What What's going on? Everybody a new time, New time

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Speaker 3: morel a ten am. Patriots Catch twenty two And this

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Speaker 3: might be a permanent time for us Barth because the.

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Speaker 4: Patriots of the regular city.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the Patriots have decided to change up the locker

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Speaker 3: room schedule a little bit, and so because of that,

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Speaker 3: we we have moved into the mornings so that Alex

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Speaker 3: and I can go and uh and do our our

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Speaker 3: our day jobs, as I like to call him, and

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Speaker 3: actually you know, talk to some people and cover the

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Speaker 3: team and you know, do some some big jay journalism potentially,

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Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't I don't think we do

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Speaker 3: much of that, but we try I mean, you.

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Speaker 4: Were all hot and bothered about the thing I wrote

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Speaker 4: about punting the ball off the scoreboard in Dallas. That

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Speaker 4: was as close as journalism as like. Yet meanwhile, that

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Speaker 4: game ended up that ended up being an afterthought.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah that that was not a factor in that game.

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Speaker 3: But what is a factor? And I want to talk

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Speaker 3: about this off the top from a big picture since,

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Speaker 3: but the Patriots won a football game, Alex, on Sunday.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you if you heard the Patriots

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Speaker 3: won a football game on Sunday against the Bills, a

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Speaker 3: twenty nine point offensive breakthrough. Can we can we call

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Speaker 3: it that offensive coming out part signs of life life?

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Speaker 3: So maybe that's that's where we're at. And I think that, uh,

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Speaker 3: you know, my my initial thoughts on it. And on Tuesday,

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Speaker 3: you know, I'm damned if I do damned if I don't, Alex,

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Speaker 3: because I I have been negative for five weeks, six

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Speaker 3: and you know they're too negative, YadA, YadA, YadA. Then

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Speaker 3: then I give everybody their flowers on Tuesday for beating

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Speaker 3: the Bills a game they haven't won in like five years,

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Speaker 3: like literally, and uh. And and now I you know,

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Speaker 3: the team on a day to day basis, in a

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Speaker 3: for for us to not ride the wave of the season, right, Like,

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Speaker 3: when they lose, it's everybody stinks and everybody should be fired.

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Speaker 3: And when they win, it's so well, playoffs back on

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Speaker 3: and there's a path and you know five and five

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Speaker 3: all that type of stuff that we talked about on Tuesday,

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Speaker 3: And that's difficult. And I think what the most important

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Speaker 3: have to see the long game here, right, And I

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Speaker 3: think we all we all recognize that this team has flaws.

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Speaker 3: We all recognize that the team building philosophy of this

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Speaker 3: regime and its current state has flaws. Based off of

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Speaker 3: what we've seen in the first seven games of the season,

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Speaker 3: and one win doesn't completely abolish them from all the

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Speaker 3: And right now we're in the roller coaster. We're on

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Speaker 4: So everything you just said about you know, we gotta

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Speaker 4: do a show today. Well, here's the thing, I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I don't know that I learned anything. And here's what

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Speaker 4: what did they change? What was different in this game

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Speaker 4: that they suddenly won? Mike and went who played right

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Speaker 4: They used their pass rushers as pass rushers and their

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Speaker 4: it can be collective. It's both of us. But I'm saying,

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Speaker 4: like when when we were out of camp in the

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Speaker 4: here saying, hey, you know there's something here, and we're

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Speaker 4: getting calls in YouTube coming. Oh no, it's three win team.

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Speaker 4: It's a four win team, and all those people are

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Speaker 4: trying to take the victory lap. Right earlier in the

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Speaker 4: don't think mikeun Winn, who could have been playing right

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Speaker 4: I know he couldn't write yeah tomorrow. Douglas had concussion

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Speaker 4: They were a little too aggressive, was sitting him down

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Speaker 4: Like I get these things. But it's not like they

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Speaker 4: couldn't have seen that coming.

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Speaker 3: You did not couldn't see it coming. But I thought

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Speaker 3: the play calling on Sunday, the biggest change was this

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Speaker 3: Like they come out and first play they're they're motioning

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Speaker 4: So that's kind of my point. And I'm not sitting

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Speaker 4: In some maybe, but I this is the offense you're

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Speaker 4: expecting them to run the whole time. Rights That's kind

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Speaker 4: of my point. It's like, hey, the stuff we talked

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Speaker 4: It took them a while to get to it. For

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Speaker 4: That's kind of what this game was for me.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I just I think The main thing that you

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Speaker 3: I felt like, not just handling the motion itself, but

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Speaker 3: the motion. And that was what I really took away

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Speaker 3: there's all these different moving parts, And like I said,

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Speaker 3: it looked like the San Francisco forty nine ers, Like

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Speaker 3: there's just so much different things going on. And I

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Speaker 3: think from Bill O'Brien's perspective, you mentioned the injuries and

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Speaker 3: the guys that have been out and the offensive line

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Speaker 3: You have to build up.

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Speaker 4: I guess where I come from with that. Remember at

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Speaker 4: I'm like, they were a head of schedule and that

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Speaker 4: it took them seven weeks.

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Speaker 3: not saying the two are different.

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Speaker 5: Right.

432
00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:40,000
Speaker 3: That's where Mac Jones is at right now in terms

433
00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:44,760
Speaker 3: of the twenty twenty four outlook. Right, Yeah, it's so

434
00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:49,720
Speaker 3: much easier to move forward as a football team. If

435
00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:52,920
Speaker 3: you don't need to draft a quarterback, it's so much easy.

436
00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:55,399
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, no, then Marvin Harrison Junior is back on

437
00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:59,040
Speaker 4: the table. Joel if shan or on the table, Jared Verse,

438
00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:00,880
Speaker 4: if you want to go the eye, I wouldn't, But I.

439
00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:03,360
Speaker 3: Think the tackler wide receiver is on the table. You're

440
00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:05,440
Speaker 3: gonna like people don't know who any of these people are.

441
00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:09,840
Speaker 3: Tackle or wide receivers back on the table and building.

442
00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:12,520
Speaker 3: Mac Jones keeps playing with Mac Jones is back on

443
00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:16,399
Speaker 3: the table. And that is a much to get to

444
00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:19,280
Speaker 3: from point A to point B. That's a much faster line, yes,

445
00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:21,960
Speaker 3: right than it is to start all over with Drake

446
00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:24,719
Speaker 3: may or Michael Pennix and build the whole thing back up,

447
00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:27,840
Speaker 3: because then you don't have that asset anymore, right, if

448
00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:30,639
Speaker 3: you don't have the first round pick anymore to draft

449
00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:32,840
Speaker 3: Unfortunately you know they don't have two first round picks

450
00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:34,439
Speaker 3: like you know, like the Texans.

451
00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:36,560
Speaker 4: You just you have to be confident that Max the

452
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:38,919
Speaker 4: guy you're gonna give that extension. That's basically or at

453
00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:40,840
Speaker 4: least pick up the fifth fifth year eyes. I think

454
00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:44,000
Speaker 4: you're confident if he plays that way, that's a guy extend.

455
00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:45,240
Speaker 4: That's a guy you can build around.

456
00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:47,560
Speaker 3: I definitely think you're trending towards the fifth year option

457
00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:48,440
Speaker 3: at the very least.

458
00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:52,639
Speaker 4: I will say this though, Yeah, so I think the

459
00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:57,960
Speaker 4: Patriots played well independently, I think they executed at a

460
00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:02,199
Speaker 4: good level. Yeah, I don't know when we get to

461
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:05,119
Speaker 4: the end of the season if Buffalo is going to

462
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:06,560
Speaker 4: be as quality of a win as we think it

463
00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:07,080
Speaker 4: is right now.

464
00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 3: Oh god, we can do that in the Sunday. You

465
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:11,199
Speaker 3: can take your victory lap on the Bills. In a second,

466
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:14,359
Speaker 3: but last couple of things here about about this game

467
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:16,080
Speaker 3: from you know, kind of a bird's eye view, and

468
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,239
Speaker 3: then we'll get into some calls and we'll do three up,

469
00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:21,679
Speaker 3: three down. Last thing on Bill O'Brien, I think you

470
00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:23,480
Speaker 3: know some of the things that you talked about in

471
00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:26,160
Speaker 3: terms of the stats, like his average air yard per

472
00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:29,240
Speaker 3: attempt and how efficient he was despite really not throwing

473
00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:32,560
Speaker 3: the ball much down the field. To me, that's a

474
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:36,800
Speaker 3: scheme stat like that, that's a play calling stat. And

475
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:40,560
Speaker 3: when I tell you, I truly think that this is

476
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:44,879
Speaker 3: one of the best coordinated games on both sides of

477
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:47,240
Speaker 3: the ball that the Patriots have had in my time

478
00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:50,399
Speaker 3: covering the team, Like it's up there with some of

479
00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:53,080
Speaker 3: the game plans that they had in like eighteen and nineteen.

480
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:59,720
Speaker 3: To me offensively, Bill O'Brien created all those easy access

481
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:02,480
Speaker 3: type to throws for mac Jones right, using the motion,

482
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 3: using the quick game, using the horizontal width of the field.

483
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:11,479
Speaker 3: The Patriots are still still even in this game, the

484
00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:14,360
Speaker 3: Patriots can't throw the ball vertically down the field. They

485
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:16,960
Speaker 3: have no vertical threats even like Pop Douglas is the

486
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 3: closest thing that they have to it. But like that's

487
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:23,040
Speaker 3: more of that fifteen to twenty five yard range right

488
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:25,879
Speaker 3: seam throws things like that, you know, slot fades or

489
00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:28,480
Speaker 3: he drops it in the bucket, you know, farrow brown

490
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,560
Speaker 3: right seam shot, like you know, twenty twenty five yards.

491
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:34,560
Speaker 3: They don't have a vertical element of the game. So

492
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,560
Speaker 3: what Billy Oh has said is, all right, you guys

493
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,040
Speaker 3: are gonna play a lot. You're gonna crowd in the

494
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,240
Speaker 3: middle of the field. You're gonna play man coverage on

495
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:45,639
Speaker 3: the outside, or you're gonna play match coverage on the outside,

496
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 3: and you're gonna make us beat you down the field.

497
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 3: So what we're gonna do is we're gonna spread you out.

498
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:55,080
Speaker 3: We're just gonna run a horizontal stretch type of offense

499
00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 3: to spread out the field, and it's gonna create openings

500
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,119
Speaker 3: and conflict in the short part of the field for

501
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 3: Mac Jones to just make the layups in this offense.

502
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:07,480
Speaker 3: And I really thought until they got into that fourth

503
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:09,679
Speaker 3: quarter and they needed him to make some money throws

504
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:13,040
Speaker 3: in the fourth quarter a lot they were carried in

505
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:15,239
Speaker 3: the first three quarters by the play calling, Like they

506
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:19,199
Speaker 3: were really carried in that sense, and they created a

507
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,679
Speaker 3: lot of these different openings for Mac to make throws

508
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:26,359
Speaker 3: that he's capable of making off of window dressing, off

509
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 3: of play action, off of RPO, like at all these

510
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:33,480
Speaker 3: different things. And that's that's their offense. Like, that's gonna

511
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:35,960
Speaker 3: have to be the way that they scheme it up.

512
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:40,480
Speaker 3: If you're not gonna be able to challenge defenses vertically

513
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:42,800
Speaker 3: down the field, you have to be able to stretch

514
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,880
Speaker 3: it horizontally, right, And that's where all these different things

515
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,360
Speaker 3: that we're talking about came into play in this game,

516
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:51,240
Speaker 3: and that's how they were able to do that. Defensively,

517
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 3: I think girod Mayo and Steve Belichick deserve kudos as well.

518
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:57,200
Speaker 3: I thought that that game plan was the best they've

519
00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:00,119
Speaker 3: had against Josh Allen in a couple of years. They

520
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 3: did not do what they did last year against him.

521
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:03,919
Speaker 4: Can I rephrase that?

522
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:04,639
Speaker 5: Sure?

523
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:06,679
Speaker 4: I think it's the best they've had against Diggs. I

524
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:08,719
Speaker 4: think what they did against Alan was similar. I think

525
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,199
Speaker 4: it's more changes on the back end. I don't know,

526
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 4: I might disagree with that, Okay. I think Diggs would

527
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 4: have had a huge game of Fallon played better. Oh no,

528
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 4: that's true. But they didn't. What I meant was the

529
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,120
Speaker 4: last couple of years they faced him, they just took

530
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 4: a corner, stuck him on Diggs shadow with help, and

531
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:31,639
Speaker 4: it just wasn't enough. They changed the looks and Digs

532
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:34,639
Speaker 4: still beat them some of the time, certainly, and he

533
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:38,399
Speaker 4: had two walking touchdowns that Josh Allen just missed, like missed.

534
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:43,160
Speaker 4: But it wasn't just jac Jackson shadowing Stefan Diggs's safety

535
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,680
Speaker 4: over the help. It was jac Jackson, it was Jack Jones,

536
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 4: it was Jonathan Jones. There was some more zone mixed

537
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 4: in there, like they gave him. It felt like the

538
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 4: last couple of years Stefan Diggs knew just like all right,

539
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 4: if I run by this guy. That's it. That's it,

540
00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:59,399
Speaker 4: and it's gonna be the same guy every time, and

541
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:01,639
Speaker 4: I can kind of work and work to release package

542
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 4: and figure out the tendencies and once I have that down, boom,

543
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,679
Speaker 4: I'm gone. He couldn't do that. There was no rhythm,

544
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 4: there was no pattern. Well, I think through the kitchen sinkat.

545
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 3: I think the lack of rhythm and pattern was because

546
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 3: of the pass rush. They they blitzed down fifty percent

547
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:17,479
Speaker 3: of the time, okay, and they came after him and

548
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:20,120
Speaker 3: what they they had a great rush plan of like

549
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 3: sending five or six guys, but then one guy would

550
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 3: like hang back. It was a lot of the time

551
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 3: it was Juwan Bentley and spy him, and so when

552
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,920
Speaker 3: the pressure flushed him, they had a set like another

553
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 3: layer of pass rush.

554
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 4: So there's kind of like what they did against Jalen

555
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 4: hurts a little bit.

556
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, uh yeah, I think so right, I'm trying

557
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 3: to remember that.

558
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 4: I think that was more done. It wasn't so much

559
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 4: that was more like they'd flush him to have a spy.

560
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 4: This was more they would have, like I guess it layers.

561
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 4: I don't know what the technical term would be, like

562
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,920
Speaker 4: layering the rush itself rather than a spy might be

563
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:53,879
Speaker 4: the better way to phrase it.

564
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:57,199
Speaker 3: But yeah, this this one, I think that you know,

565
00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 3: Bentley was a spy, Yeah, a true dedic spy in

566
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 3: a lot of these cases. But I think what the

567
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:06,199
Speaker 3: big thing is is that in past matchups against Josh Allen,

568
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:13,440
Speaker 3: they have allowed him to extend plays like with points.

569
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 3: Like it's like calmly, like just kinda da da da

570
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:18,920
Speaker 3: da da da da. Okay, Like I'm just gonna run

571
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 3: over here for a little bit and then run over

572
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 3: there for a little bit, and you can't cover my

573
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 3: guys for five seconds, like you just can't. So eventually

574
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 3: somebody's gonna come open. In this game, when Allen was

575
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:34,679
Speaker 3: throwing with extended play, he was throwing under pressure, and

576
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 3: he was throwing early, like they made him throw it

577
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 3: and make a decision quickly when he got on the

578
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 3: move instead of letting him just delay delay, delay, and

579
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 3: then all of a sudden, you got you know, Digs

580
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 3: down there, you got gave Davis, you got the tight ends,

581
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 3: and someone's gonna get open eventually. In this game, they

582
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 3: did a really great job of pressuring him initially and

583
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 3: then having that second wave to kind of pin him

584
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 3: to the sideline or make him make a throw quickly

585
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 3: and on the move. Even rushed and he just he

586
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 3: looked panicked, like he looked disheveled in this game, and

587
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 3: you have to get him. We we talked about this

588
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 3: last year. I'm trying to remember how he phrased it,

589
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 3: because I think we phrased it the right way. But

590
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 3: they remember last year we had that. I think it

591
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 3: was going to the second game like they didn't they

592
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 3: didn't hit him.

593
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 4: Last year.

594
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 3: They were very they were like dropping eight guys into

595
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 3: cut like they were trying to know.

596
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 4: But I mean, I mean even when the guys, even

597
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 4: when people got to him, they weren't finishing their hits.

598
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 4: And this game, like he that whole second half, most

599
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 4: second half, he takes a hit from Christian Barmore early.

600
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 4: I don't remember it was a sack or a pressure,

601
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 4: but he took a hit from Barmore early in the

602
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 4: second half and the rest of that game, if you

603
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 4: go back and watch it, he's wincing every single play.

604
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:53,959
Speaker 4: He came in with a bad shoulder. And they tested it.

605
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 4: They basically tested it. They said, how And I think

606
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 4: that's part of the reason too, he didn't run as much.

607
00:29:57,920 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 4: They basically said, how much do you want to put

608
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 4: your body on the line in this game? Yeah, And

609
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 4: I think you need to do that against Josh Allen.

610
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 3: I think that in past game plans they have played coverage,

611
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 3: they've dropped seven guys, they've dropped eight guys at times

612
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 3: against Josh Allen, and they have basically just been patient

613
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 3: and hope that he makes a mistake like that, like

614
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:20,479
Speaker 3: they just want him to make a mistake. And in

615
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 3: this game, it felt like they did the total opposite.

616
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 3: They said, we're gonna come after him, We're gonna pressure him,

617
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 3: We're gonna make him make plays on our terms instead

618
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 3: of his terms. And that was my whole thing going

619
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 3: into the game was that, you know, he's to me,

620
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 3: he's the most dynamic, extended play threat in the NFL

621
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 3: right now. He's Captain Chaos, right Like he can play

622
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 3: in that style all he wants. But in order to

623
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 3: combat that, I think, you know, a lot of teams

624
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 3: look at it, and I think the Patriots looked at

625
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 3: it this way. In the past, it was we got

626
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 3: to keep him in the pocket, we got to make

627
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 3: him play in structure. We can't let him extend plays

628
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 3: on us. Instead in this game, they fought chaos with chaos.

629
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 3: They were like, all right, we're just gonna come after

630
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 3: him and we're gonna make him make throws rushed in

631
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 3: on our terms, and we're not gonna play coverage and

632
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 3: we're not gonna play quite frankly, like scared that he's

633
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 3: gonna hit us with a big play, and yeah, maybe

634
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 3: he'll get one or two, and he got, you know,

635
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 3: the one to James Cook, like a twenty eight yard

636
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 3: or off an extended play, but we're not gonna worry

637
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 3: about him well going on.

638
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 4: It's that thing I always say every time, and I

639
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 4: didn't say it this week ironically, or last week when

640
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 4: the Patriots played the Bills, right that I bring up

641
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 4: the Ravens in Matthew Judah saying, yeah, we weren't afraid

642
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 4: of Brady because we knew if we do what we do,

643
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 4: like we're NFL players still Yeah, And it felt like

644
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 4: there was an element of that. But within all that

645
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 4: and the scheme's c I don't want to take anything

646
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 4: away from the scheme. I feel like that's what this

647
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 4: sounds like. It's not. Yeah, but that only works if

648
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 4: you're getting them, and Christian Barmore and Anthony Jennings were.

649
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 4: There were a couple other guys that got in there

650
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 4: here and there, but felt like every other play was

651
00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 4: either Christian Barmore or Anthony Jennings in his face, PFF

652
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 4: had Barmore down for four pressures. That feels very low. Uh.

653
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 4: Those two guys made this happen, I think more than

654
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 4: anybody else. Christian Barmore and Anthony Jennings were Josh Allen's

655
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 4: probably seeing them in a.

656
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 3: Couple time that entire defensive line played out. They played

657
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 3: great game, Davon Godshot played it great.

658
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, they played incredibly well and they deserve a ton

659
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 4: of credit for It's a good game plan. I don't

660
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 4: want to take away from the game plan, but as

661
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 4: any coach will tell you, right, yeah, players have to

662
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 4: make the plays, and those guys, but this was.

663
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 3: Such a different they they did not. This is such

664
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 3: a different approach against him. This was more what they

665
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 3: did with him early on in his career and when

666
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 3: he flipped that switch from being the quarterback that he

667
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 3: was in his first couple of seasons to you know,

668
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 3: a guy that's finishing top five and MVP votes. They

669
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 3: got scared. They they played conservative against him in this game.

670
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 3: They almost went back to like what they would do

671
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 3: against him in like twenty nineteen, you know, and they

672
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 3: were they come after him instead, and yeah, they they had.

673
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 3: He got out of probably four or five sacks, you know,

674
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 3: avoiding pressure, seeing blitzers laid and and you know, kind

675
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 3: of sneaking out of pressure. And I know that that

676
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 3: sometimes drives people nuts, like when you know, Miles Bryant

677
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 3: comes on a blitz and he can't get him on

678
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 3: the ground and things like that. But it even though

679
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 3: he didn't get him down like that, it that was

680
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 3: the goal, right, Like they succeeded even Yeah.

681
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,479
Speaker 4: Myles Bryant's not tackling Jos on the open field. It's

682
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 4: not happening.

683
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 3: All right, let's let's do let's do three up, three down.

684
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 3: Then we'll open up the phones I have, you know,

685
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 3: we do this sometimes, like when they were playing poorly,

686
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 3: I had like five duds and two stuff. I have

687
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 3: four studs for you this game, all right, ain't gonna

688
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 3: you know, give them their flowers? Right, my number one

689
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 3: stub from this game. And I went back and forth

690
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 3: on who to put number one, but I ultimately settled

691
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 3: on Mac Jones. I just think that this was his game.

692
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 3: You know, this was his his shining moment, his signature win,

693
00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:59,239
Speaker 3: whatever you want to call it. We went over some

694
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 3: of the things that I thought he did really well

695
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 3: in this game, but really the throws in the fourth

696
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 3: quarter stood out. The third and eight, the seam throw

697
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 3: to Pharaoh Brown, the seam throat to Pop Douglas I

698
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 3: thought was a great throw as well. And also just

699
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 3: the amount of times that he you know, got them

700
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 3: into the right plays or made adjustments at the line

701
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 3: of scrimmage, that type of stuff, the chess match type

702
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:28,360
Speaker 3: of stuff. He's really starting to take another step forward,

703
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:30,839
Speaker 3: and you know you combat it with Okay, he doesn't

704
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 3: have the physical tools as Josh Allen. We've been over

705
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 3: this million times.

706
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 4: You have established he's not Patrick Holmes.

707
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 3: Yes, in this game, the Patriots, with all the blitzing

708
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 3: that they did against Alan, Alan really struggled with setting protections,

709
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:50,240
Speaker 3: getting himself protected against the blitz knowing when he was hot,

710
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 3: like things like that. And I thought, conversely, on the

711
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 3: other side, you saw the brain power of the Patriots quarterback, like, yeah,

712
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:01,319
Speaker 3: he doesn't have the ability that Josh Allen does. But

713
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 3: Josh Allen's running for his life on one side because

714
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 3: he can't get the blitz blocked. And Mac Jones is

715
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 3: out there field general style, getting everybody in order, getting

716
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 3: the blitz blocked, and just making the simple throws and

717
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,319
Speaker 3: the simple reads. So I have Mac Jones as my

718
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 3: number one stud in this game. Where are you at?

719
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,319
Speaker 4: I think my number one is probably Christian Barmore. I mean,

720
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,319
Speaker 4: Mac Jones is on my ups, but I just kind

721
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 4: of said it. I think Christian Barmore this is a

722
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 4: couple of weeks in a row now, Yep, he's been

723
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 4: a game wrecker. This is the guy we saw coming

724
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 4: out of Alabama. A lot of people were surprised he

725
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:40,360
Speaker 4: ended up being a first round pick, interior nightmare pass rusher.

726
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 4: I think part of it is he's finally healthy. And

727
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 4: Bill Belichick kind of alluded to that yesterday. He was

728
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 4: asked about what he's seen from Barmore this year, and

729
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 4: he said, you know, he's been training as hard as

730
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:51,360
Speaker 4: he's been able to going back to the summer, and

731
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 4: that alludes to him being fully healthy. This is the

732
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:56,840
Speaker 4: guy they thought they were getting when he's fully healthy.

733
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 4: Member Richard Seymour's name was getting thrown out there a lot.

734
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 4: When he is drafted, people whispered, Aaron Donald, pump the

735
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 4: brakes on that, right. No, I'm not saying he's gonna

736
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 4: be an NFL Hall of Famer, but it's like the

737
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 4: guy he's been the last few weeks. That's the guy.

738
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 4: That's the guy I thought we were getting, and he's been.

739
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 4: He's a big reason it was as close as it

740
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 4: was I think against the Raiders, and he is as

741
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,359
Speaker 4: big a reason I think as anybody that they beat

742
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,399
Speaker 4: the Bills, and more importantly, they finally shut down Josh Allen.

743
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 3: He was excellent. And I think there's two things that

744
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,879
Speaker 3: they really challenged the defense on this week, and one

745
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 3: of the biggest things was interior pressure pressure up the

746
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:39,800
Speaker 3: middle on Josh Allen because they knew that they couldn't

747
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,839
Speaker 3: get they couldn't unlock the edges to go after him

748
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 3: because then he's gonna get out of the pocket, right,

749
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:47,240
Speaker 3: So they really wanted to keep him in the pocket

750
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 3: as much as possible, but then have the interior pressure

751
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:53,360
Speaker 3: through the middle of the pocket so that he couldn't

752
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 3: step up and through the pocket. So they did a

753
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 3: great job of that in this game, really across the

754
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,840
Speaker 3: board on the defensive line, I had the entire defensive

755
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:07,879
Speaker 3: line on my ups if I wanted to bar more Wise, Godshow, Jennings,

756
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 3: all those guys were phenomenal in this game. Devon Godshaw

757
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 3: just like dominates against the Bills. I don't know what

758
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 3: it is about the interior of the Bills, but he

759
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:19,280
Speaker 3: has had some of his best games as a Patriot

760
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 3: against the Buffalo Bills. The win game was probably his

761
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 3: best game period as a New England page. I remember

762
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 3: that he was awesome, but this game was close. He

763
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:30,840
Speaker 3: just dominates this matchup. And not only was he holding

764
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 3: the point of attack and eating up blocks and doing

765
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 3: all the nose tackle stuff, he had three quarterback pressures

766
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 3: in this game as well. So he just continued to

767
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 3: absolutely eat alive. Uh this this pass rush and this

768
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 3: we could.

769
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 4: Yeah we got. We had a little uh a rumor.

770
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 4: The Marine's not the greatest when it comes to parody account.

771
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:56,800
Speaker 4: There was somebody tweeted and it's you know that account

772
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 4: that tweets like the fake quotes of the players.

773
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 3: Yeah look at it.

774
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 4: Yeah Boston Cream got me. Yeah, So the tweet I

775
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 4: think it has been deleted. I can't even find it.

776
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 4: Oh God, here the Raiders agree.

777
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,439
Speaker 1: Las Vegas Raiders have agreed to trade wide receiver Hunter

778
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 1: Renfro to the New England Patriots for a twenty twenty

779
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 1: four first round pick.

780
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 3: And this is not true.

781
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 4: But then at the bottom it says the Patriots, however,

782
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 4: did not agree.

783
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:23,320
Speaker 3: Fake news alert. Yes, okay, anyways, yeah.

784
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:25,280
Speaker 4: Too excited. I apologize. I'll say this because now people

785
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 4: ask I have no interest in the Patriots trading for

786
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 4: Hunter Renfro, not.

787
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 3: Mean me neither.

788
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 4: He hasn't been good in two years. He makes a

789
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 4: lot of money.

790
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:34,839
Speaker 3: I've always liked him.

791
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:37,280
Speaker 4: I know you have. But he's kind of cooked. And

792
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 4: they now have what six receivers on the act of large,

793
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 4: like if you can one for one trade like Devonte

794
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 4: Parker for him to unload that contract, I guess. But

795
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 4: giving up a draft asset for Hunter Renfro, Yeah, yeah,

796
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 4: I think there's other areas of the roster they could address.

797
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's fair. Anyways, great game by the defensive line,

798
00:38:56,320 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 3: Godshaw wise far more Jennings Tavi. Did you know his

799
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,439
Speaker 3: divide do your job type of thing?

800
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:04,879
Speaker 4: Yeah?

801
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 3: But yeah, I think Devine gotscha. I I really good

802
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 3: game for him in this one big reason why they

803
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 3: were able to control the line of scrimmage. All right, Uh,

804
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 3: but I got two more, maybe two more, one more,

805
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 3: big one.

806
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 4: I can't remember.

807
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 3: Let me look at our list here, Yeah, two more,

808
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 3: two more. Going back to the offense, I almost had

809
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 3: this player number one in my list. Pop Douglas, I

810
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:34,359
Speaker 3: mean Pop Douglas in this game was This was an

811
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:39,359
Speaker 3: excellent wide receiver game for the Patriots that I don't

812
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,360
Speaker 3: know if I've seen a wide receiver for the Pats

813
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:43,359
Speaker 3: maybe other than some of the games that Kendrick Bourne

814
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 3: has had over the last couple of years. But this

815
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,239
Speaker 3: was as good of a game for any of the

816
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:49,879
Speaker 3: Patriots receivers in a little bit.

817
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 4: Uh.

818
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 3: He was dynamic, he was effective in this game. He

819
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:56,839
Speaker 3: was open the entire time when especially when Buffalo played

820
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,360
Speaker 3: man coverage. Big part of it was the was the

821
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,720
Speaker 3: motion and thing like that moving him around the formation.

822
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 3: But he's so good at that and he's so perfect

823
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 3: for that role. The comparison that I would use of

824
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 3: how they're using Pop Douglas like he's basically discount Tyreek Kill,

825
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 3: Like he's there, like he's being used like Miami would

826
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 3: use Tyreek Hill. He is just obviously not Tyreek Kill, right,

827
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 3: and they're using him in a similar fashion, and he's

828
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 3: he's just been super super difficult to cover, great with

829
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:29,240
Speaker 3: the football in his hands. A couple of avoided tackles

830
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 3: in this game. Very first play of the game, he

831
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:35,359
Speaker 3: spins Tron Johnson around like in a blender. Then he gets,

832
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 3: you know, the the jet suite breaks the tackle there

833
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 3: as well. He drew three penalties in this game, a

834
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 3: couple of pass interference calls, a holding. This was a

835
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 3: dominant game by him in a lot of facets, and

836
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 3: it's exciting to see a Patriots receiver play that well.

837
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 3: He needs to be as involved as anybody else in

838
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 3: this offense moving forward, and you you can't feed that

839
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 3: guy enough, like you give Pop Douglas enough opportunities in

840
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:05,800
Speaker 3: this offense moving forward. So I had Douglass as another

841
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:06,479
Speaker 3: up in this one.

842
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, I just kind of combined all these Bill O'Brien.

843
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 4: I thought the usage of Pop Douglas, I thought the

844
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:15,760
Speaker 4: usage of Kendrick Bourne was excellent, and those guys played

845
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 4: outstanding as well. But yeah, when you get those the

846
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,720
Speaker 4: playmakers the ball in their hands in open space. It's excellent.

847
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 4: I thought the the the attack plan was good, really

848
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:30,240
Speaker 4: And we'll get to this when we talk about Miami.

849
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:35,399
Speaker 4: The balance of how much each guy played in terms

850
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 4: of the skill positions and who played with who running backs,

851
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:41,399
Speaker 4: tight ends, receivers, I thought that was a really good mix. Now,

852
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 4: there were some guys that played less that you think

853
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 4: might play more. There are some guys that didn't play

854
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 4: at all that we're gonna have to figure out what

855
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 4: they're gonna do with.

856
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 3: We can get into that.

857
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 4: But I thought I thought the whole plan in that

858
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 4: regard was just excellent. Yeah, I thought it was really good.

859
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 3: The last one I had was was Mike Onwinnho. I mean,

860
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 3: I think you got to give him some credit in

861
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 3: this game. Look, I don't think he's perfect as a tackle.

862
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 3: I think some of the film, you know, his range,

863
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 3: like his footwork and his ability to hit landmarks. He

864
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 3: has a little bit of a short corner. He does

865
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 3: like he plays tackle like a guard and that's okay,

866
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 3: especially on the right side where Mac can see the

867
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 3: pressure coming and step up in the pocket. And he

868
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 3: is so much better, so much better than Vederian Lowe

869
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 3: that even though I excuse me, I still don't think

870
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 3: he's a tackle. Okay, I know people want him to

871
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:35,720
Speaker 3: play tackle permanently, but he is certainly the best tackle

872
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 3: right I understand though, and I think that based off

873
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 3: of some of the comments that we heard from Bill Belichick,

874
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 3: even Bill O'Brien and Adrian Clem, why there's some reservation

875
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 3: from the player and the coaching staff for just to

876
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:56,840
Speaker 3: call him a tackle and to call him a right tackle.

877
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:00,800
Speaker 3: He he's a guard now. He's there best right tackle

878
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 3: right and he's gonna have to play right tackle the

879
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 3: rest of the year to give them a chance. But

880
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 3: that doesn't necessarily mean that his long term home should

881
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 3: still be it should be at tackle. With that being said,

882
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 3: in this game it was so much better than what

883
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 3: they had in the first six weeks of the season

884
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 3: that he deserves all the credit in the world for

885
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 3: moving out there playing out there well, and it was

886
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 3: It was good to see them finally make that move,

887
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 3: like we've been saying that, and I've been dismissive of

888
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 3: it because I never thought they were actually gonna do it.

889
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:31,279
Speaker 3: It took them being one in five and in like

890
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 3: true desperation mode for them to make that move. But

891
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 3: they finally made the move and it was the right

892
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 3: move to make.

893
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, he has to play out to the rest of

894
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,360
Speaker 4: the season. I understand the long term questions. Yeah, he

895
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 4: has to has to has to play out to the

896
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 4: rest of the season. He's their best right tackle. If

897
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 4: they didn't want that to happen, they should have put

898
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 4: more into the position in the offseason, plain and simple.

899
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 4: I have two more yes, Ezekiel Elliott.

900
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, was really good.

901
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:57,240
Speaker 4: Again that touchdown specifically, that's when they signed him back

902
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 4: in the summer. That's the play they had in mind

903
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:03,360
Speaker 4: because he gets stone Walls at the two yard line.

904
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 4: That one actually wasn't blocked. Great, he got Stonewall at

905
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 4: the two yard line and what does he do. We

906
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 4: refuse to leave his feet, keeps twisting his body falls

907
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 4: into the end zone. That is old school Zeke. Remember

908
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 4: we talked about this when he signed. Yeah, I don't

909
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 4: know that he's a breakaway runner. He was, but if

910
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 4: you need a yard, you need two yards, He's gonna

911
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:22,799
Speaker 4: get you two yards. That's what that run was. And

912
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 4: then the other one. The rookie specialists wasn't all perfect

913
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 4: on special teams. Fair enough he had the penalty on

914
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:30,799
Speaker 4: Brendon Schooler. Yeah, couldn't get the field goal un and on.

915
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:33,359
Speaker 4: But Bryce Baringer didn't shank his first punt of the game,

916
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:35,320
Speaker 4: so that was nice. And he put both his punts

917
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 4: inside the twenty and Chad Rolland had a sixty four

918
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:41,840
Speaker 4: yard Yeah, Chad Ratherands three for three. So those guys

919
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 4: showed up. They did their jobs. That's kind of what

920
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:47,400
Speaker 4: you just want those guys to do. Not flashy, excellent

921
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:48,359
Speaker 4: good stuff from them.

922
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 3: Tyler Bass a really good kicker.

923
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 4: Tyler rat remember the Tyler Basstard Rego of Blanconship, The

924
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,800
Speaker 4: great Tyler Bastard Rego Blanket Ship Debate of twenty twenty.

925
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 3: It was, It was great, It sure was. Tyler Bass

926
00:44:58,600 --> 00:44:59,799
Speaker 3: is a really good kicker, and he had a lot

927
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:02,320
Speaker 3: of trouble in the conditions on Sunday.

928
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 4: Andy kind of got built, took a shot at him

929
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 4: after the game till.

930
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 3: The forty nine yarder that that Rylan made. That's not

931
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 3: an easy kick, especially given the stakes of you're in

932
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 3: the game against Buffalo and you're trying to keep the

933
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 3: momentum moving forward and you're trying to get points on

934
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 3: a drive a forty nine yarder and in some tough conditions.

935
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 3: I think the wind was swirling a little bit in

936
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 3: the stadium that day. That was a good kick. That

937
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:27,879
Speaker 3: was a good kick by the rook Ye good kick.

938
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 3: I know. It's not like a fifty six yarder, right,

939
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 3: so on paper it doesn't look you know, you should

940
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 3: be making the majority of your inside fifty kicks, But

941
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:36,879
Speaker 3: that one I thought was a tough.

942
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:39,240
Speaker 4: Foot for a guy that And look, he's been asked

943
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:40,879
Speaker 4: to make a lot of tough kicks and you don't

944
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 4: expect him to make all of them. But misses or

945
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:45,799
Speaker 4: missus and those away on you. For a guy to

946
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 4: come back and respond the way he did, yeah, I

947
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 4: thought was excellent. Matthew Slater said after the game, like

948
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 4: he's Ryan's very mature guy. Yeah, wise beyond his years,

949
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 4: I think is what's later said he kind of is it.

950
00:45:56,880 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 4: The big thing with kickers is that short memory? Right?

951
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 4: Can you move on from the last one? Right?

952
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 3: Yeah?

953
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 4: You don't. You can't scout that And like maybe guys

954
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:10,360
Speaker 4: do in college, maybe they don't. But if you're still,

955
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 4: if you're a multi year starter, chances are you're not

956
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 4: imploding every time you miss a kick, But yeah, it's

957
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 4: different in the NFL, and you can't tell that in practice,

958
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 4: can't tell it in the meeting room, can't. I know,

959
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 4: they try asking questions at the combine and guy preseason

960
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:28,320
Speaker 4: because he never took a kick, right, so you don't

961
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 4: really see it until you see it. How does he

962
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:32,799
Speaker 4: respond to missus? And Chad Royland responded well this week?

963
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought he was good as well. And I

964
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 3: agree with you on Zeke and basically, you know, I

965
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:41,360
Speaker 3: like the aggressiveness that they called, like that play action

966
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 3: on third and one early on in the game, the

967
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 3: completion to Pop Douglas, Like, I like that they were

968
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:49,479
Speaker 3: a little bit aggressive and short yardage in this game,

969
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 3: but in general, I don't see how you can make

970
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:55,359
Speaker 3: that Like that's your short yardage offense, right, whether it's

971
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:58,399
Speaker 3: goal line, whether it's third and one, giving the ball

972
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 3: to Zeke or then play action to you know, get

973
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 3: the defense opened up. But because they think it's going

974
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:06,320
Speaker 3: to Zeke either way, like that should be the Patriots

975
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 3: short yardage offense moving forward. All right, I got two duds.

976
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 3: You know, you win a game against.

977
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:13,399
Speaker 4: Oh wait, I had one more, Sorry, I had one more. Okay, Yeah,

978
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 4: I'd be remiss if I didn't give this one. Jabrill Peppers. Yeah,

979
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 4: he is good. It's not just what he did during

980
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 4: the game final. What do I say every time they

981
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 4: play Josh Allen? Yeah, when he throws you one catch it,

982
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:25,920
Speaker 4: he did it. Yeah. I thought he was good in

983
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:28,800
Speaker 4: that sense. I thought he brought a level of physicality. Evan,

984
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 4: I gotta tell you, though, I am ready to get over.

985
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 4: I'm ready to just go all in on Jabrill Peppers.

986
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 3: He's good play.

987
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 4: He's a good player him. He's a good leader. Did

988
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 4: you see him giving the speed? How many guys can

989
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:42,759
Speaker 4: cut off Matthew Slater and be like, hang on, I

990
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 4: gotta say something and then stick the landing. This is

991
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 4: a guy that is just turned twenty eight, so he's

992
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 4: not Yeah, but he's definitely not old, just turned twenty eight.

993
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 4: He's a leader, he is a tone setter. Do you

994
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 4: remember my like loose comp for him before the season.

995
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 3: God, you're you're you're comparing Christian Barmore to Aaron Donald.

996
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 4: And now I didn't do that. I said other people did.

997
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 3: And now you're gonna compare compare Jabriel to Rodney.

998
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 4: Harrison as close as you can get in the modern game. No,

999
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 4: that is a guy that sets. He's been great. He

1000
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 4: makes He's playing like a top ten safety in football

1001
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 4: right now. He's the highest graded run defender in the

1002
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 4: entire league ansy position. He's playing like a top ten

1003
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 4: safety in football. He's setting the tone you want your

1004
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:26,800
Speaker 4: defense to play with. He's a communicator on the field,

1005
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:29,759
Speaker 4: he's a leader off the field. He's bought into the

1006
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 4: program entirely. He got to ask after he got to

1007
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:36,920
Speaker 4: ask after the game. Peppersy's like, how do you keep playing?

1008
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 4: Keep it up when when you know you're one to five?

1009
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 4: Is you got to play football for the brand? That's

1010
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 4: what they want to hear. This is the guy. We've

1011
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 4: talked a lot with their lack of extensions in recent

1012
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 4: years about like who's the core, who are you building around?

1013
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 4: Who's going to take this team into the next era?

1014
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 4: That guy, that's the guy. I'm almost at the point

1015
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 4: where and we I don't know, this guy's one of

1016
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 4: your duds. Maybe this leads into it. It's been a

1017
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:02,359
Speaker 4: tough year for Kyle transitioning to free safety. If that's

1018
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:04,840
Speaker 4: the role they want him to play, I would almost

1019
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 4: just let him walk. Yeah, sign Pepper's put him full

1020
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 4: time in that box safety role and then go out

1021
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 4: and get an actual real free safety, whether it's being

1022
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:16,399
Speaker 4: free agency, the draft, whatever. I'm like, I'm really getting there.

1023
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 3: So I love Jabriel. I would also say that I've

1024
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 3: tried to ask him. I know this is like kind

1025
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 3: of tongue in cheek a little bit, but I've tried

1026
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 3: to ask him questions about like what coverages they've been

1027
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 3: in and stuff like that. He won't tell me. They

1028
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 3: love that. There you go, don't give don't give me

1029
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 3: the game plan, right, Like did you ask him?

1030
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 2: Well?

1031
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 4: And he was like, if you can guess what the

1032
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:39,440
Speaker 4: name is, I'll tell you.

1033
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:42,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And so that that he he loves

1034
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:44,279
Speaker 3: messing with me on that, And I know that they

1035
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:46,879
Speaker 3: like that because other guys will just like come out

1036
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 3: and and I never say, like this guy told me right,

1037
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:51,880
Speaker 3: but other guys will will just tell me what stuff

1038
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 3: is called and things like that, and I know they

1039
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:56,800
Speaker 3: hate that. So yeah, he's My point is he's drinking

1040
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 3: the kool aid right like he's he's on the program.

1041
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 3: And I think that's important too. When you start talking

1042
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 3: about giving players extensions or giving them, you know, keeping

1043
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 3: them around long term and things like that. We know

1044
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 3: unfortunately for better. So let me just real quick.

1045
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 4: For some reason people think he's a penning for agent.

1046
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:14,920
Speaker 4: He signed through twenty twenty four, so you don't have

1047
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 4: to necessarily extend him, but not right now. But like

1048
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 4: that's the guy next offseason, next offseason, especially if he

1049
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 4: has a good maybe one of those like good camps

1050
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:25,759
Speaker 4: and like get some of the money. All right, let's

1051
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:28,400
Speaker 4: get into some get into the duds and then I promise,

1052
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 4: I know some people have been waiting on hold for

1053
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:30,440
Speaker 4: a while.

1054
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 3: We only have a couple, so, you know, good game,

1055
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:35,920
Speaker 3: so I only have two. Uh, you mentioned it already,

1056
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:39,840
Speaker 3: Kyle Duggar, Kyle Duggar in this game. I feel for

1057
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 3: Kyle Duggar. I do. And uh, this is something that

1058
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 3: we talk about it a lot with quarterbacks about like

1059
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 3: how you can ruin a guy's confidence and you know,

1060
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 3: ruin a guy change the perception of how a player

1061
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:58,320
Speaker 3: looks because of the role he's playing or the supporting

1062
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 3: cast or the play calling or the coaching or whatever.

1063
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:04,879
Speaker 3: I think the Patriots are doing the equivalent of what

1064
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:07,400
Speaker 3: they've done at times with Mac Jones to Kyle dugger

1065
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 3: right now by playing him out of position, he's not

1066
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 3: a free safety. He looks lost there. He looks just

1067
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:18,400
Speaker 3: not good. He's not been a good player playing that position.

1068
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:23,720
Speaker 3: Point plank. He had a number a number of mistakes

1069
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 3: in this game trying to play the deep part of

1070
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:29,320
Speaker 3: the field. Gave up the two point play that covering

1071
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 3: tight ends in the red zone and in the end

1072
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:33,319
Speaker 3: you know more, I should say really in the end

1073
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:37,280
Speaker 3: zone has been an issue for him. He let Stefon Diggs.

1074
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:40,920
Speaker 3: I gave. I gave that half and half half to JC,

1075
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 3: half to Kyle Duggar, but the deep shot is Stefan Diggs.

1076
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:47,759
Speaker 3: He was at least half responsible for covering that throw

1077
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 3: and that should have been a touchdown. He he just

1078
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:53,360
Speaker 3: doesn't look at home playing the deep part of the field.

1079
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 3: And if I'm the Patriots. In the very first rep

1080
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:58,280
Speaker 3: of the game, which was the interception by Jabriel Peppers,

1081
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 3: they did this Mills in the deep middle with dugger

1082
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:05,439
Speaker 3: and Pepper's in the box, right, Like, let those two

1083
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:08,560
Speaker 3: guys play where they need to both play. Play Kyle

1084
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 3: Duggart closer to the line of scrimmage, and I think

1085
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 3: that he'll be better, But he's been lost back there.

1086
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 3: You know, you start jotting down notes as you're watching

1087
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:22,839
Speaker 3: the film and the amount of you know, to use

1088
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:25,799
Speaker 3: a badardism, like the amount of minus plays that I

1089
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:28,880
Speaker 3: had for Kyle Dugger in this game. It was starting

1090
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 3: to add up quickly on him as the course of

1091
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:34,720
Speaker 3: the game went on. So it's tough. It's not his fault,

1092
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 3: is what I'm I think Kyle Duger is a talented player.

1093
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:39,360
Speaker 3: I think he's a much better football player than what

1094
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:41,920
Speaker 3: he's shown. He's just playing out of position. And I

1095
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:46,279
Speaker 3: also wonder how much of this is he's had to

1096
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 3: take on a much bigger communication and leadership standpoint without

1097
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:55,240
Speaker 3: Devin mccordy, right like, in terms of being the back

1098
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 3: end field general. And I wonder if there's somebody else,

1099
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:01,440
Speaker 3: whether it's Mills, I don't think that's really Peppers is

1100
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:04,880
Speaker 3: necessarily thing. But if you play Mills in the deep middle,

1101
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:07,800
Speaker 3: he knows the system, he's been here a couple of years.

1102
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 3: Maybe he can take some of that responsibility off Kyle

1103
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:13,399
Speaker 3: Dugger's plate. But Kyle Dugger is a C ball, get

1104
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:16,279
Speaker 3: ball kind of player, and right now it looks like

1105
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 3: he's overthinking everything that he's doing. And it's costing him

1106
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:22,359
Speaker 3: in a lot of instances. So he was my number

1107
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 3: one dud and really, like the only true dud I

1108
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 3: had in this game was Kyle Dugger. But I have

1109
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 3: one more guy that I that I need to bring up.

1110
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:30,440
Speaker 3: But what do you have?

1111
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 4: J C. Jackson? Yeah, I I don't know, all right,

1112
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 4: let me rephrase that. Actually, because Jackson made some good

1113
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 4: plays in this game against the guy that's given him

1114
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 4: a lot of trouble in the past. Yeah, just tackling, Yeah, tackling.

1115
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:46,319
Speaker 4: And J C. Jackson's mistackle was the worst. I mean

1116
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:49,439
Speaker 4: allowed a touchdown. Ironically, it might have saved the game

1117
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:52,200
Speaker 4: because it allowed the Bills to score quicker. Ye, so

1118
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 4: the Patriots had time to come in the other right,

1119
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:55,319
Speaker 4: But I'm not gonna credit for that.

1120
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:57,440
Speaker 3: I don't like, I agree with you that that was

1121
00:53:57,600 --> 00:54:01,960
Speaker 3: you know, that was a bad mistackle. Steve Belichick is like,

1122
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:04,480
Speaker 3: let's tone it down with the zero blitzer, is all right?

1123
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:07,399
Speaker 3: They sent the house up two scores with like five

1124
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:08,520
Speaker 3: minutes to go in the game.

1125
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:10,720
Speaker 4: I thought he had a little Brian Floresa.

1126
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:12,920
Speaker 3: He went won too many right, he went to the

1127
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 3: well won too many times on that one. So I

1128
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 3: give that to like half JC Halfstein, but you.

1129
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:20,879
Speaker 4: Had Jewan Bentley missed the tackle in the open field.

1130
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:24,879
Speaker 4: That's Bentley. He also and this is why I can't

1131
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:26,520
Speaker 4: put any of these guys directly in the downs because

1132
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 4: Bentley had that big pass breakup on fourth down. That

1133
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:32,600
Speaker 4: was a nice play. But Bentley's that's tackler. That's the guy.

1134
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:35,360
Speaker 4: Kyle Dugger missed some tackles in this game. Adrian Phillips

1135
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 4: missed a tackle in the open field. These are some

1136
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:41,240
Speaker 4: of the best tackling players on the team, and coming

1137
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 4: in the Patriots had been by most major metrics the

1138
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 4: top five tackling team in the NFL. So you look

1139
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:50,200
Speaker 4: at this and you say, all right, was it a

1140
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:52,759
Speaker 4: blip or is this something we need to be concerned about.

1141
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 4: I'll say this, Tyreek Killer, No, you can't miss tackles

1142
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 4: against the Miami Dolphins, right That is the last thing

1143
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:01,399
Speaker 4: you can do again the Miami Dolphins. So we'll see

1144
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:04,120
Speaker 4: if they bounce back this week. Would be a they

1145
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 4: need to bounce back this week if they want to win,

1146
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 4: But you can't. They got very lucky to win that game.

1147
00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:14,239
Speaker 4: Tackling the way they did. It was a bad tackling game.

1148
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:19,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree wholeheartedly. Last one here, last dud Taekwon Thornton.

1149
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:23,280
Speaker 3: Taekwon Thornton. He can't really play just in general, okay,

1150
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:26,400
Speaker 3: but also I think he got benched in this game

1151
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:30,839
Speaker 3: because he continues continues to run the wrong rounds like

1152
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:33,719
Speaker 3: and if you can't if you're not going to run

1153
00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:36,120
Speaker 3: the red like, the quarterback can't trust you, right, So like,

1154
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 3: even if you're open on a play, if mac Jones

1155
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 3: doesn't feel like he has confidence and where exactly Taekwon

1156
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:44,759
Speaker 3: Thornton's gonna end up on the play, then he can't

1157
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 3: throw them the ball. So why have him out there?

1158
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:49,319
Speaker 3: And the fact of the matter is, and they signed

1159
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:51,800
Speaker 3: Jalen Rager to the fifty three reportedly, I should I

1160
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:55,160
Speaker 3: should say reportedly signed Jalen Rager to the fifty three

1161
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:58,759
Speaker 3: this morning. And he's been passed on the depth chart

1162
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 3: by Jalen Rager and Jillenberger is a former first round

1163
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 3: pick that's got a lot of talent, natural talent in

1164
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:05,840
Speaker 3: his own right. But this is a guy that was

1165
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:09,680
Speaker 3: a bust, right, that has been a journeyman essentially after

1166
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:11,640
Speaker 3: the Eagles drafted him the first round and didn't work

1167
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:15,160
Speaker 3: out in Philadelphia, so Taekwon Thorn has been passed by him.

1168
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:18,520
Speaker 3: He played three snaps in this game. The very first

1169
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 3: play after the Jubril Peppers interception, they try to take

1170
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:25,080
Speaker 3: a shot. They go under center play action. They run

1171
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:28,759
Speaker 3: like a deep shot type of route concept and it's

1172
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 3: cover three. The Bills do a nice job of recognizing,

1173
00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:35,719
Speaker 3: like the crosser from the backside which is Taekwon, and

1174
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:39,480
Speaker 3: then the vertical from Jalen Rager, and all Taekwon's got

1175
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:42,279
Speaker 3: to do on those routes, you know, he's running it

1176
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:45,120
Speaker 3: over and a lot of teams that run those types

1177
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:49,239
Speaker 3: of concepts, it's a Shanahan Tree concept. They'll they'll make

1178
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 3: it an overstop, which means that if you see the

1179
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:55,720
Speaker 3: boundary defender fall off the vertical and he's just sitting

1180
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:58,799
Speaker 3: there waiting for you, instead of continuing running across the

1181
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:01,560
Speaker 3: field into the coverage, you're just gonna sit down in

1182
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:04,800
Speaker 3: the middle of the zone. And Taekwond just keeps running

1183
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:06,799
Speaker 3: like if he had just sat down in the middle

1184
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:09,319
Speaker 3: of the zone, he's gonna be there for completion and

1185
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:11,439
Speaker 3: said he keeps on running into the sideline and gets

1186
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:14,480
Speaker 3: himself covered and mac Jones ends up having to throw

1187
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:17,000
Speaker 3: like a wild check down to Zeke Elliott and they

1188
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:19,040
Speaker 3: didn't get it. Luckily, they still score on the drive,

1189
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:21,600
Speaker 3: So I guess, you know, in the big picture, no harm,

1190
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:24,720
Speaker 3: no foul, But he didn't really play after that, and

1191
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:27,120
Speaker 3: that tells me that he probably ran the wrong route

1192
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:27,400
Speaker 3: and that.

1193
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:29,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean we talked about the margin ferrer with

1194
00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 4: this team that's not that big, and yes they ultimately

1195
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 4: ended up scoring, but that might not be the case

1196
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:36,160
Speaker 4: next time. I have one more down. Yep, actually sorry,

1197
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:40,240
Speaker 4: I have won more very quick up. Oh silver pants,

1198
00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:42,840
Speaker 4: silver pants got to be it up Mike Vrabels speech.

1199
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:45,400
Speaker 4: Won't throw him out too. We gotta win. That was interesting. Yeah,

1200
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:50,520
Speaker 4: one more down, Cleat Blakeman, what we Yeah?

1201
00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:52,680
Speaker 3: No, that was yeah what is he talking about? There?

1202
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:58,920
Speaker 4: Nineteen flags? So the thirteenth most penalized game of the year. Yeah,

1203
00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 4: non in the ones they didn't pick up. Yeah, I'm not.

1204
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 4: I don't think he cost either team the game. It

1205
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:06,040
Speaker 4: was nine to eight terms of penalties, but there were

1206
00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:08,960
Speaker 4: they all ended up evening out. Yeah, so I don't

1207
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:11,760
Speaker 4: know that he impacted the outcome, but boy did he

1208
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:13,919
Speaker 4: make that game unwatchable. All the times him and his crew.

1209
00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:17,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, slowly. I gave him a little bit of credit though,

1210
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:20,920
Speaker 3: for for picking up the illegal man downfield on the

1211
00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:22,880
Speaker 3: mare screen on the game winning time.

1212
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:23,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, they got that correct.

1213
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:26,160
Speaker 3: They got that correct. My guess is why New York

1214
00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:28,880
Speaker 3: got that correct. They probably buzzed and be like, guys,

1215
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:30,640
Speaker 3: this is not like we can't call this here.

1216
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 4: Too many too many flights. Yeh, let him play.

1217
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:34,440
Speaker 3: I agree. All right, let's open up the phones, and

1218
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:36,840
Speaker 3: thanks so much for waiting on, holl We had a

1219
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:38,680
Speaker 3: lot to get out about this game and finally a

1220
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:42,200
Speaker 3: win to talk about some positives right to come away

1221
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:44,680
Speaker 3: from this game. So if you guys are still hanging on,

1222
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:47,440
Speaker 3: we appreciate it. Eddie is in La. What's up about Eddie?

1223
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:51,680
Speaker 6: What's going on? Guys doing well?

1224
00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 3: Yep?

1225
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:54,200
Speaker 5: You two went by the team last Sunday. Man.

1226
00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 6: That was very enjoyable football to watch from them, really enjoyable.

1227
00:58:58,600 --> 00:58:58,880
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1228
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:02,240
Speaker 6: So what I want to say is the whole thing

1229
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:05,200
Speaker 6: he has just brought up with Jalen Rager. Obviously he was,

1230
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 6: you know, a first round pick one before Justin Jefferson.

1231
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:10,160
Speaker 6: So I feel like that kind of talent, whether it

1232
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:12,080
Speaker 6: didn't work out early on in his career or not.

1233
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:15,160
Speaker 6: I feel like that's just talent that you can't ignore.

1234
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:17,600
Speaker 6: And what I want to know from you guys is

1235
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:19,800
Speaker 6: just what have the Patriots seen that the Egles and

1236
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:23,840
Speaker 6: Vikings couldn't see in him that made the Patriots sign

1237
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:25,080
Speaker 6: him on the fifty three men roster.

1238
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:28,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks for asking the question, Eddie, because I did

1239
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:30,560
Speaker 3: want to touch on this subject. So a good question.

1240
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:33,440
Speaker 3: I think that there's a couple things I asked Belichick

1241
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:35,720
Speaker 3: about this yesterday. I think we all had it. I'm

1242
00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:38,480
Speaker 3: not like I wasn't like revolutionary and thinking that they

1243
00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:41,160
Speaker 3: might sign him to the fifty three man roster. So

1244
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:44,800
Speaker 3: Belichick mentioned plays in practice, like he was he's flashing

1245
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:47,760
Speaker 3: in practice and making plays on the scout team, and

1246
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:50,520
Speaker 3: then that kind of translated into all right, let's put

1247
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:52,360
Speaker 3: him into our offense a little bit and see if

1248
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:54,680
Speaker 3: he makes plays in our offense. But I think the

1249
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:58,480
Speaker 3: biggest thing is is, you know, obviously the practice habits

1250
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:02,280
Speaker 3: everybody that we've talked to, Mac Jones, Bill Belichick, Bill

1251
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:04,440
Speaker 3: O'Brien has pointed to the fact that he's made plays

1252
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:08,440
Speaker 3: in practice. But I would also just mention that they

1253
01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:10,960
Speaker 3: needed some speed on the outside, and if it's not

1254
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:13,600
Speaker 3: going to come from Taekwon because of reasons that I

1255
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:16,840
Speaker 3: just broke down, they needed it from someplace else. And

1256
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:19,320
Speaker 3: I think that that's been the revelation to me with

1257
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:24,840
Speaker 3: Bill O'Brien is that he has recognized when we're Parker, Juju,

1258
01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:29,800
Speaker 3: Henry Giesicki, and even if we put out Pop Douglas

1259
01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:34,520
Speaker 3: or Kendrick Born in that grouping, that's probably the slowest

1260
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:39,120
Speaker 3: twelve personnel grouping in the NFL. It's just there's no

1261
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:43,760
Speaker 3: speed on the field. There's Kendrick Bourne type speed like explosiveness,

1262
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:48,360
Speaker 3: but there's no actual vertical element to that grouping other

1263
01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:50,919
Speaker 3: than like a jump ball to Devonte Parker, which let's

1264
01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:53,320
Speaker 3: face it is not efficient and really doesn't do any good.

1265
01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 3: So Jalen Rager adds that element to it, and I

1266
01:00:57,400 --> 01:01:02,520
Speaker 3: think that they've really welcome that and rightfully so. I

1267
01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:04,920
Speaker 3: also think, you know, in terms of him versus Taekwon,

1268
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:06,960
Speaker 3: because that's really where the battle is, right you know,

1269
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:11,680
Speaker 3: it's two speed guys who can win that job. Jalen

1270
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:14,400
Speaker 3: Rager and the opportunities that he has got, I think

1271
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:19,000
Speaker 3: has been a decent blocker. He Honestly, he sprung Pop

1272
01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:21,720
Speaker 3: Douglas on the jetsweep like that was his block on

1273
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:24,840
Speaker 3: Pop Douglas's man is a reason why Pop was able

1274
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:27,440
Speaker 3: to turn the corner. So I think he's made some

1275
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:29,800
Speaker 3: good blocks. And you know, Taekwon is just not going

1276
01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:31,120
Speaker 3: to be a guy that's going to be a high

1277
01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:35,440
Speaker 3: level blocker because of his size. So better blocker than Taekwon,

1278
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:39,440
Speaker 3: A good vertical element, good speed. I think that that's

1279
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:41,840
Speaker 3: what they've seen in Rager, and I'm interested to see

1280
01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:46,040
Speaker 3: how his role expands or doesn't moving forward and what

1281
01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:49,280
Speaker 3: they really look at with Devonte Parker and Juju. I

1282
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:53,000
Speaker 3: think that this is one of the more challenging things

1283
01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:55,480
Speaker 3: for this coaching staff the rest of the season, Alex

1284
01:01:55,640 --> 01:02:00,000
Speaker 3: is do they have the kahones to sit down there

1285
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:02,280
Speaker 3: two most expensive receivers like that?

1286
01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:02,760
Speaker 4: Right?

1287
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:05,560
Speaker 3: Not every coaching staff and not every GM is gonna

1288
01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:08,640
Speaker 3: be willing to say, let's just eat was it? I

1289
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:13,240
Speaker 3: think combined almost twenty million dollars plus of salary on

1290
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:16,000
Speaker 3: these two guys because we have better players, and not

1291
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:17,440
Speaker 3: not every coaching staff would do that.

1292
01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:19,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what they're gonna have to do, I'll say

1293
01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:21,680
Speaker 4: quickly on rager with the team seas. I don't know

1294
01:02:21,720 --> 01:02:24,800
Speaker 4: that they see anything in particular, but they have a

1295
01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:28,200
Speaker 4: history of just you know, hey, something made this guy

1296
01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:30,560
Speaker 4: a first round pick once upon a time. Yeah, clearly

1297
01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:33,880
Speaker 4: didn't work out. But maybe it's not that they see it,

1298
01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:36,439
Speaker 4: but it's it's it's they want to see, right, let's

1299
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:38,840
Speaker 4: see if we can tap into whatever those other teams

1300
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:41,440
Speaker 4: could tap into. We saw them bring Corey Coleman in

1301
01:02:41,480 --> 01:02:43,920
Speaker 4: on the practice squad. The Quan tread well, this has

1302
01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:46,640
Speaker 4: worked out better. Well, I joke like if Nikhil Harry

1303
01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:48,400
Speaker 4: hadn't been drafted by them, he probably would have been

1304
01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:49,400
Speaker 4: on their at some point.

1305
01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:51,480
Speaker 3: I was surprised that you know, who is it that

1306
01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:53,840
Speaker 3: was released earlier this year that they didn't bring in.

1307
01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:56,040
Speaker 4: I don't know I can, but this is they've done that,

1308
01:02:56,080 --> 01:02:57,560
Speaker 4: like they've had a history to it and this one's

1309
01:02:57,640 --> 01:02:59,280
Speaker 4: it's working out it And we always say, you know,

1310
01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:01,680
Speaker 4: people are oh, they signed Corey Coleman, Like why aren't

1311
01:03:01,680 --> 01:03:03,160
Speaker 4: they actually trying to make a move. It's like it's

1312
01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:05,600
Speaker 4: not this isn't the be all end all, But if

1313
01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:07,600
Speaker 4: they hit on one of these guys, and I don't

1314
01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:11,720
Speaker 4: know that they've hit on Raager, but it's a numbers game.

1315
01:03:12,120 --> 01:03:14,720
Speaker 4: As for what they need to going forward, I said

1316
01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:15,120
Speaker 4: it before.

1317
01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:15,840
Speaker 3: I think the.

1318
01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:18,880
Speaker 4: Usage distribution last week is what it needs to be.

1319
01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:21,720
Speaker 4: Kendrick Borne should still play the most. I really like

1320
01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:24,760
Speaker 4: Pop Douglas, but he is still a rookie. Kendrick Porn

1321
01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:26,320
Speaker 4: has that chemistry with Mac Jones.

1322
01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:27,480
Speaker 3: He's your best receiver.

1323
01:03:27,560 --> 01:03:29,440
Speaker 4: That's a guy needs to be on the field. What

1324
01:03:29,640 --> 01:03:31,400
Speaker 4: he played ninety eight percent of the snaps, ninety six

1325
01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:34,760
Speaker 4: percent of the snaps yea over ninety percent. Jamarow Douglas

1326
01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:37,240
Speaker 4: is your second receiver in twelve because he can create

1327
01:03:37,240 --> 01:03:39,240
Speaker 4: with the ball in his hands, and you need that

1328
01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:42,040
Speaker 4: for the offense to function. When you go to eleven,

1329
01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:48,640
Speaker 4: it should be an equal rotation situationally between Juju Smith Schuster,

1330
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:50,520
Speaker 4: Devonte Parker and Jalen Rayer.

1331
01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:54,040
Speaker 3: I don't even think Jujus Smith Schuster should. Juju should

1332
01:03:54,080 --> 01:03:55,080
Speaker 3: be in that equation.

1333
01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:57,280
Speaker 4: You know what? That's fair? I think Look, Parker and

1334
01:03:57,680 --> 01:03:59,880
Speaker 4: and Reager are both You get down in the red

1335
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:02,080
Speaker 4: he gets turn in the red zone. Parker gives you

1336
01:04:02,120 --> 01:04:03,560
Speaker 4: some size. You want to throw him on the field.

1337
01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:04,160
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1338
01:04:04,200 --> 01:04:05,960
Speaker 4: Fine, I think what do you play last week like

1339
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:08,760
Speaker 4: twenty snaps. Yeah, that's about right. Rager gives you that

1340
01:04:08,800 --> 01:04:11,000
Speaker 4: speed element. He also blocks his ass off, which kind

1341
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:13,440
Speaker 4: of came out of nowhere. But sure, Yeah, we'll have

1342
01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:14,920
Speaker 4: to gonna be if you want to. If you want

1343
01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:17,240
Speaker 4: to knock Juju out of the rotation entirely, I wouldn't be. Well,

1344
01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:19,360
Speaker 4: I just think they're good, they're going to but like

1345
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:23,200
Speaker 4: at the most, yeah, at the most, he's your third

1346
01:04:23,240 --> 01:04:26,040
Speaker 4: receiver and eleven when you're in between the twenties.

1347
01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:31,040
Speaker 3: I just don't see how so just positionally, yeah, x

1348
01:04:31,160 --> 01:04:34,840
Speaker 3: Z F right X. He's not an ex Juju. He's

1349
01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:37,040
Speaker 3: never been an X, so you're not playing him in

1350
01:04:37,080 --> 01:04:39,560
Speaker 3: that position. That's Parker or that's Jalen Rager.

1351
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:40,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, Z.

1352
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:44,200
Speaker 3: You have two guys right now and born in Douglas

1353
01:04:44,240 --> 01:04:47,040
Speaker 3: who are better Z receivers than he is. And you

1354
01:04:47,120 --> 01:04:49,800
Speaker 3: also can say that if one of them is playing

1355
01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:51,920
Speaker 3: the Z, the other is a better F receiver than right.

1356
01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:54,400
Speaker 3: I think so like where Juju has to play the

1357
01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:55,600
Speaker 3: Z or the F like those of the.

1358
01:04:55,760 --> 01:04:58,760
Speaker 4: You're probably doing something with like condensed formations or something.

1359
01:04:59,080 --> 01:05:01,680
Speaker 4: I just I I don't see how he like how

1360
01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:04,280
Speaker 4: he fits that's fair, right, that's fair. But no, it's

1361
01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:08,200
Speaker 4: it's Kendrick Bourne's your number one. Yeah, Kendrick Warborne period,

1362
01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:10,840
Speaker 4: end of sentence. Should not come off the field except

1363
01:05:10,840 --> 01:05:13,840
Speaker 4: for the big body goal line package. Yeah, Tomorrow Douglas

1364
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:18,600
Speaker 4: is your second receiver clearly, Yep, Parker Rager. Those are

1365
01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:20,560
Speaker 4: your thirds. You kind of pick and choose based on

1366
01:05:20,600 --> 01:05:23,880
Speaker 4: matchups and situations. I don't need to see Juju. I

1367
01:05:23,960 --> 01:05:25,919
Speaker 4: kind of just put him in that group because they're

1368
01:05:25,960 --> 01:05:28,520
Speaker 4: gonna play him. Yeah, and he shouldn't be anything more

1369
01:05:28,560 --> 01:05:30,760
Speaker 4: than rotating equally with those other two guys.

1370
01:05:31,200 --> 01:05:31,720
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1371
01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:35,800
Speaker 4: The other things I'd say about the usage they when

1372
01:05:35,800 --> 01:05:40,040
Speaker 4: they went to twelve, Yeah, it was almost always Pharaoh

1373
01:05:40,080 --> 01:05:41,160
Speaker 4: Brown as one of the tight ends.

1374
01:05:41,240 --> 01:05:41,360
Speaker 7: Right.

1375
01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:43,760
Speaker 3: I wonder if that was because Hunter Henry's banged up.

1376
01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:46,640
Speaker 4: I think that's part of it. Yeah, But I like

1377
01:05:46,680 --> 01:05:49,440
Speaker 4: what I want Pharaoh Brown on the field. Not all

1378
01:05:49,480 --> 01:05:51,720
Speaker 4: the time, you not, I mean, but like I think

1379
01:05:51,720 --> 01:05:53,680
Speaker 4: he's like I think he had like a thirty seven

1380
01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:56,600
Speaker 4: percent usage rate last week. It was like high thirties. Yeah,

1381
01:05:56,800 --> 01:06:00,440
Speaker 4: that's excellent right there. And I like him on the

1382
01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:01,560
Speaker 4: field with another tight end.

1383
01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:04,040
Speaker 3: You have me too, And because he can play that

1384
01:06:04,120 --> 01:06:06,960
Speaker 3: in line and he can you can keep him into block.

1385
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:09,680
Speaker 3: He can block in the run game, and that allows

1386
01:06:09,760 --> 01:06:12,480
Speaker 3: Kasiki and Henry to not have as much stress in

1387
01:06:12,520 --> 01:06:15,360
Speaker 3: the blocking game, right whether they're running the football or

1388
01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:17,560
Speaker 3: they're asking him to chip, or they're asking him to

1389
01:06:17,760 --> 01:06:20,400
Speaker 3: you know, double a great pass rusher or whatever the

1390
01:06:20,440 --> 01:06:23,240
Speaker 3: case may be. As we saw against the Raiders and

1391
01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:25,080
Speaker 3: the and the safety at the end of the game,

1392
01:06:25,560 --> 01:06:29,600
Speaker 3: Kasiki is is is useless as a blocker. We all

1393
01:06:29,680 --> 01:06:32,360
Speaker 3: knew this coming in, but I think they're really figuring

1394
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:36,040
Speaker 3: that out now. And Henry has is better than Kasiki,

1395
01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:39,240
Speaker 3: but he's still in the useless cat.

1396
01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:41,680
Speaker 4: And he's banged up and he's banged so like the

1397
01:06:41,720 --> 01:06:44,560
Speaker 4: other thing about the other thing about Favor Brown we've

1398
01:06:44,560 --> 01:06:46,800
Speaker 4: talked about, like the buying of the offense and all that.

1399
01:06:46,800 --> 01:06:49,040
Speaker 4: That dude's out there to win a ball game. You what,

1400
01:06:49,240 --> 01:06:51,600
Speaker 4: he's I love me some Pharaoh Brown. I know that

1401
01:06:51,800 --> 01:06:54,160
Speaker 4: the way he's he's I mean, he's carrying guys on

1402
01:06:54,200 --> 01:06:55,280
Speaker 4: his back after catch the ball.

1403
01:06:55,320 --> 01:06:57,160
Speaker 3: He's breaking every time he touches the ball. It's an

1404
01:06:57,200 --> 01:07:00,240
Speaker 3: explosive but every time, but like crazy, I've never seen

1405
01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:00,680
Speaker 3: anything like it.

1406
01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:00,880
Speaker 6: No.

1407
01:07:00,920 --> 01:07:03,160
Speaker 4: But it's also like if you watch him between the plays, Yeah,

1408
01:07:03,240 --> 01:07:05,080
Speaker 4: Like there were a couple times down in the red

1409
01:07:05,200 --> 01:07:07,920
Speaker 4: zone he's getting into it with the Bills defenders. He's

1410
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:11,880
Speaker 4: not taking any any any big yes. Right. And the

1411
01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:13,880
Speaker 4: other thing I liked when they were down on the

1412
01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:16,640
Speaker 4: goal line running the ball. There was one they ran

1413
01:07:16,680 --> 01:07:18,120
Speaker 4: it from like the five or six and they got

1414
01:07:18,120 --> 01:07:20,520
Speaker 4: down to like the two. Yeah, and you see, Bob

1415
01:07:20,560 --> 01:07:22,360
Speaker 4: Socy pointed out to me, he's a really good observation.

1416
01:07:22,760 --> 01:07:25,720
Speaker 4: Pharaoh Brown turns to the sideline and gives them like

1417
01:07:25,720 --> 01:07:28,520
Speaker 4: a hey, give it to us again, don't throw the ball,

1418
01:07:28,720 --> 01:07:29,400
Speaker 4: keep the big group.

1419
01:07:29,440 --> 01:07:32,880
Speaker 3: And then they end up putting like a smaller package

1420
01:07:32,920 --> 01:07:33,200
Speaker 3: out there.

1421
01:07:33,240 --> 01:07:36,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, and he's like, yeah, you know, he wants to

1422
01:07:36,120 --> 01:07:38,960
Speaker 4: run the ball, get in the trenches, get nasty. The

1423
01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:40,840
Speaker 4: team needs a little that they need a little bit

1424
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:42,240
Speaker 4: of that edge. He brings a little bit of that.

1425
01:07:42,240 --> 01:07:45,720
Speaker 3: Edge just quickly. All three tight ends are free agents

1426
01:07:45,720 --> 01:07:49,320
Speaker 3: at the end of the year, correct, all three tight ends.

1427
01:07:49,720 --> 01:07:53,640
Speaker 3: I think for Hunter Henry, to me, Hunter Henry is

1428
01:07:53,640 --> 01:07:57,000
Speaker 3: a prime franchise tag candidate. Yeah, the franchise tag for

1429
01:07:57,040 --> 01:08:00,000
Speaker 3: the tight ends are reasonable. It's I think thirteen million

1430
01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:02,560
Speaker 3: is the projection right now for next year, which is

1431
01:08:02,560 --> 01:08:05,120
Speaker 3: basically what he's making now, right, So you're not giving

1432
01:08:05,160 --> 01:08:08,240
Speaker 3: him a substantial phrase at his age and in the

1433
01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:09,920
Speaker 3: wear and tear, because he's been in the league and

1434
01:08:09,960 --> 01:08:12,480
Speaker 3: played a lot of football. You're not giving him another

1435
01:08:12,680 --> 01:08:16,840
Speaker 3: a three year deal where you're maybe risking two in

1436
01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:19,240
Speaker 3: years two and three not being as good as year one,

1437
01:08:19,960 --> 01:08:23,280
Speaker 3: and you're making sure you're keeping some continuity with that room,

1438
01:08:23,320 --> 01:08:25,840
Speaker 3: which I think is important. So Hunter Henry looks like

1439
01:08:25,840 --> 01:08:28,639
Speaker 3: a nice franchise tag guy. I would say, Pharao O'Brien

1440
01:08:28,720 --> 01:08:31,280
Speaker 3: looks like a nice signing, like a return.

1441
01:08:31,320 --> 01:08:33,880
Speaker 4: And I'll say this, he loves playing with Bill O'Brien

1442
01:08:34,160 --> 01:08:35,800
Speaker 4: like he played with Bill O'Brien in Houston. He just

1443
01:08:35,960 --> 01:08:38,519
Speaker 4: talked about that and that was his best season when

1444
01:08:38,520 --> 01:08:40,840
Speaker 4: he was with Bill O'Brien Houston until that.

1445
01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:41,120
Speaker 5: Right.

1446
01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:43,640
Speaker 4: Well, that's is assuming Bill O'Brien still here, which is

1447
01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:46,439
Speaker 4: another conversation for another time. That's the guy that you

1448
01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:49,040
Speaker 4: might be able to get to take a little less

1449
01:08:49,040 --> 01:08:49,680
Speaker 4: money to come back.

1450
01:08:49,760 --> 01:08:52,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I like it all right. Johnson, Louisiana, what's up, John?

1451
01:08:54,160 --> 01:08:58,400
Speaker 8: Hey, Hey, I got some quid things that'll Sunday was

1452
01:08:58,439 --> 01:09:02,719
Speaker 8: my first time after the game, and about the motion,

1453
01:09:02,840 --> 01:09:06,439
Speaker 8: you think that helped Mag kind of identify with the

1454
01:09:06,479 --> 01:09:08,439
Speaker 8: defensive end. That's kind of with Tom Brady, you feel

1455
01:09:08,439 --> 01:09:11,000
Speaker 8: like someone And was that like kind of a those things.

1456
01:09:11,880 --> 01:09:15,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, one hundred percent. You know that that definitely helps.

1457
01:09:15,040 --> 01:09:17,720
Speaker 3: I think not just Mac, but they're receivers too, and

1458
01:09:17,720 --> 01:09:20,920
Speaker 3: there's so much conversions in this offense based off of

1459
01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:25,120
Speaker 3: man and zone. So when they motion, if it gets followed,

1460
01:09:25,160 --> 01:09:27,840
Speaker 3: then they they typically know it's man. If it doesn't,

1461
01:09:27,880 --> 01:09:30,559
Speaker 3: then they probably know its zone and that definitely helps.

1462
01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:32,599
Speaker 3: And the shifting can help with that too, like not

1463
01:09:32,720 --> 01:09:35,240
Speaker 3: just motion, but also you know, just like shifting the

1464
01:09:35,280 --> 01:09:38,519
Speaker 3: formation that that also can help and be coverage tail

1465
01:09:38,600 --> 01:09:40,080
Speaker 3: or indicator to the quarterback.

1466
01:09:41,960 --> 01:09:44,559
Speaker 8: Yeah, I was like, man, Mag is doing to man man.

1467
01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:47,320
Speaker 8: I was really like it. But Alex Man, you don't

1468
01:09:47,320 --> 01:09:49,519
Speaker 8: know how much you made me look at the game different.

1469
01:09:49,760 --> 01:09:51,920
Speaker 8: I was so hyped for social teams that take that

1470
01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:55,000
Speaker 8: bright there before the first half. I was like literally

1471
01:09:55,120 --> 01:09:57,200
Speaker 8: yelling like yeah talking about.

1472
01:09:57,000 --> 01:09:58,280
Speaker 4: Man, I love that.

1473
01:09:58,320 --> 01:10:00,800
Speaker 3: All right, go there it go, you just hit you hit,

1474
01:10:02,200 --> 01:10:04,120
Speaker 3: go ahead now.

1475
01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:07,920
Speaker 8: I was just so high because Alex, you know that team.

1476
01:10:08,200 --> 01:10:10,400
Speaker 8: He was just talking about Bryce so much. I'm like, man,

1477
01:10:10,400 --> 01:10:14,000
Speaker 8: I'm just waiting today that specific kick, man, and it

1478
01:10:14,520 --> 01:10:15,559
Speaker 8: could have never been no better.

1479
01:10:15,560 --> 01:10:15,680
Speaker 7: Man.

1480
01:10:15,680 --> 01:10:18,080
Speaker 8: I was literally yelling like, yeah, Bryce.

1481
01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:18,200
Speaker 4: Let's go.

1482
01:10:19,320 --> 01:10:19,800
Speaker 3: There we go.

1483
01:10:19,880 --> 01:10:21,800
Speaker 4: Yeah. No, it was a great kick and they needed

1484
01:10:21,800 --> 01:10:23,120
Speaker 4: it too. It was good timing as well.

1485
01:10:23,240 --> 01:10:25,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks for the call, John, and that that's that's

1486
01:10:25,760 --> 01:10:28,320
Speaker 3: the show right there, right. You asked me a question

1487
01:10:28,360 --> 01:10:30,959
Speaker 3: about motion, and you ask Alex a question about about.

1488
01:10:30,720 --> 01:10:31,599
Speaker 4: Bryce Baron good.

1489
01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:33,920
Speaker 3: I like that. There we go, all right. Todd's in

1490
01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:37,519
Speaker 3: North Carolina. What's up Todd? Well, Miss Todd. I left

1491
01:10:37,560 --> 01:10:39,559
Speaker 3: him on hole for a while. Jeff is in Vain.

1492
01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:40,240
Speaker 3: What's up, Jeff?

1493
01:10:41,640 --> 01:10:43,120
Speaker 5: Hey, you doing guys? Good?

1494
01:10:44,680 --> 01:10:45,080
Speaker 8: Uh?

1495
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Speaker 5: So I said it in week two and we didn't

1496
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Speaker 5: do it, so I'm gonna say it again.

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Speaker 6: Uh.

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Speaker 5: And I'm wondering what you think with Miami running the

1499
01:10:56,640 --> 01:11:01,200
Speaker 5: ball so effectively, because so many teams have to put

1500
01:11:01,240 --> 01:11:03,439
Speaker 5: sony players in the back end and they're running against

1501
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Speaker 5: such right boxes, doesn't it make more sense to play

1502
01:11:07,680 --> 01:11:09,920
Speaker 5: mark tame off to the second level if you can't

1503
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Speaker 5: put enough players in the box to clog all the

1504
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Speaker 5: holes at least put a backer in there who has

1505
01:11:15,320 --> 01:11:18,479
Speaker 5: the speeding first to close on somebody like Poster if

1506
01:11:18,520 --> 01:11:20,240
Speaker 5: they do break through one of the holes.

1507
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Speaker 3: Thanks guys, Yeah, John, thanks for the call, and yeah

1508
01:11:22,560 --> 01:11:25,519
Speaker 3: we can get into Miami now. I think that that's

1509
01:11:25,720 --> 01:11:28,280
Speaker 3: a good point in something that you know, I was

1510
01:11:28,320 --> 01:11:30,839
Speaker 3: a little frustrated with the game plan if you remember

1511
01:11:30,920 --> 01:11:35,000
Speaker 3: Alex the first time around against Miami, just sitting off

1512
01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:37,439
Speaker 3: in those three safety shells and and kind of just

1513
01:11:37,520 --> 01:11:41,679
Speaker 3: you know, really not disrupting the timing of the offense

1514
01:11:41,760 --> 01:11:44,519
Speaker 3: like that, to me is that's Tua. Like Tua is

1515
01:11:44,560 --> 01:11:47,680
Speaker 3: a rhythm based thrower, right, Like Tua wants everything to

1516
01:11:47,720 --> 01:11:49,680
Speaker 3: be on time. He wants to get the ball out

1517
01:11:49,720 --> 01:11:51,599
Speaker 3: of his hands. And I felt like the game plan

1518
01:11:51,720 --> 01:11:55,320
Speaker 3: the first time around, I just really allowed him to

1519
01:11:55,400 --> 01:11:59,080
Speaker 3: do that and it ate them up. And uh, I

1520
01:11:59,160 --> 01:12:02,080
Speaker 3: just feel like that's something that they have to do

1521
01:12:02,160 --> 01:12:04,160
Speaker 3: this time around, is trying to disrupt the timing a

1522
01:12:04,200 --> 01:12:04,559
Speaker 3: little bit.

1523
01:12:05,080 --> 01:12:07,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, they got to do more. And that's why

1524
01:12:07,320 --> 01:12:09,400
Speaker 4: I think that they can maybe borrow a little bit

1525
01:12:09,800 --> 01:12:11,679
Speaker 4: from that game plan last week of just how much

1526
01:12:11,720 --> 01:12:16,160
Speaker 4: they harassed, how much they harassed Josh Allen and if

1527
01:12:16,200 --> 01:12:17,280
Speaker 4: they can do some of that to too it. You

1528
01:12:17,280 --> 01:12:19,360
Speaker 4: know. It's a little different, little different guy to handle in

1529
01:12:19,400 --> 01:12:21,840
Speaker 4: the pocket, but that same thing where if you start

1530
01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:24,000
Speaker 4: getting interior pressure on him, he's not gonna like that.

1531
01:12:24,160 --> 01:12:25,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, we're gonna take a quick break and

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Speaker 3: Catch Alex my body or a week eight of the

1622
01:16:56,880 --> 01:16:59,760
Speaker 3: NFL season. We're right in the middle of it now

1623
01:16:59,840 --> 01:17:02,920
Speaker 3: and I feel like I am I am in decline.

1624
01:17:03,320 --> 01:17:06,639
Speaker 3: My body is giving out on me. Not good, not good,

1625
01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:10,320
Speaker 3: bad bad neck. Just had to break in the middle

1626
01:17:10,320 --> 01:17:14,280
Speaker 3: of the show for a quick, quick bathroom break. Just terrible.

1627
01:17:14,320 --> 01:17:14,960
Speaker 4: You're an old man.

1628
01:17:15,080 --> 01:17:18,120
Speaker 3: Terrible, absolutely terrible. I need to be I need to

1629
01:17:18,320 --> 01:17:22,200
Speaker 3: need some sleep. Maybe maybe that's totally yeah, all right,

1630
01:17:22,360 --> 01:17:24,519
Speaker 3: let's get into Miami. I'm glad we we tee that up.

1631
01:17:26,280 --> 01:17:29,120
Speaker 3: I know, I know we'll get into them. Uh So,

1632
01:17:29,280 --> 01:17:31,680
Speaker 3: the big caveat with everything that we talk about with

1633
01:17:31,720 --> 01:17:35,519
Speaker 3: Miami is are the Dolphins actually gonna show up to

1634
01:17:35,560 --> 01:17:37,680
Speaker 3: this game? Or are they all gonna be, like, you know,

1635
01:17:38,720 --> 01:17:42,480
Speaker 3: on crutches on the sideline, right, like, so the Dolphins

1636
01:17:42,600 --> 01:17:45,880
Speaker 3: and uh, you know, in some ways it's like, okay,

1637
01:17:45,960 --> 01:17:48,040
Speaker 3: well this gives a Patriots a real chance to win

1638
01:17:48,080 --> 01:17:50,840
Speaker 3: this game. In other ways, I always hate like that,

1639
01:17:51,200 --> 01:17:53,320
Speaker 3: you know, because now it has an asterisk, right if

1640
01:17:53,360 --> 01:17:55,960
Speaker 3: you beat the Dolphins down in Miami, which is another

1641
01:17:56,000 --> 01:17:58,680
Speaker 3: win that's like a monkey off their back there zero

1642
01:17:58,720 --> 01:18:03,920
Speaker 3: to five against Tua in his career. They that stadium

1643
01:18:04,040 --> 01:18:06,599
Speaker 3: is a house of horrors for them, even way before

1644
01:18:06,600 --> 01:18:09,040
Speaker 3: our time, right like the going all the way back.

1645
01:18:09,600 --> 01:18:12,720
Speaker 3: So it it kind of stinks that if you beat

1646
01:18:12,720 --> 01:18:15,920
Speaker 3: the Dolphins with their CE team or C squad or

1647
01:18:15,960 --> 01:18:18,479
Speaker 3: whatever you want to call it. But I want to

1648
01:18:18,520 --> 01:18:20,800
Speaker 3: talk about it a little bit assuming Tyreek Hill is

1649
01:18:20,800 --> 01:18:22,400
Speaker 3: going to play, but I also want to talk about

1650
01:18:22,439 --> 01:18:26,320
Speaker 3: it in assuming he's not, which I think based off

1651
01:18:26,360 --> 01:18:30,280
Speaker 3: of the reporting down there yesterday, it definitely sounds like

1652
01:18:30,479 --> 01:18:34,200
Speaker 3: not playing is more likely at this point. So just

1653
01:18:34,240 --> 01:18:36,719
Speaker 3: your reaction to that and how that kind of changes

1654
01:18:36,760 --> 01:18:37,400
Speaker 3: this entire game.

1655
01:18:37,439 --> 01:18:41,000
Speaker 4: I mean, look, we know the Dolphins offense is what

1656
01:18:41,040 --> 01:18:44,960
Speaker 4: it is in yeah, in the the schematics of it

1657
01:18:45,000 --> 01:18:47,880
Speaker 4: and Mike McDaniel, but that only works if you have

1658
01:18:47,880 --> 01:18:51,080
Speaker 4: the players to execute it, and Tyreek Hill might be

1659
01:18:51,120 --> 01:18:54,000
Speaker 4: out or he moster didn't practice. Jalen Waddle is dealing

1660
01:18:54,040 --> 01:18:54,880
Speaker 4: with a bad back.

1661
01:18:55,160 --> 01:18:58,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, who's left.

1662
01:18:58,680 --> 01:19:01,519
Speaker 4: Who's like, it's not gonna look the say with Braxon

1663
01:19:01,520 --> 01:19:05,600
Speaker 4: Burials and Preston Wilson, Yeah, Cedric Wilson whoever it is.

1664
01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:08,439
Speaker 3: Preston Williams was also an ex DOLF.

1665
01:19:08,439 --> 01:19:11,360
Speaker 4: That's what I'm thinking. Yeah, okay, will early, it's before

1666
01:19:11,400 --> 01:19:15,000
Speaker 4: noon still yeah, no it it not. Having Tyreek Hill

1667
01:19:15,040 --> 01:19:18,160
Speaker 4: and Jalen Waddle being banged up changes a tone. It

1668
01:19:18,280 --> 01:19:23,160
Speaker 4: changes a ton because will those concepts work with lesser players?

1669
01:19:23,160 --> 01:19:25,439
Speaker 4: Do the Dolphins have to change their offense, which McDaniel

1670
01:19:25,439 --> 01:19:28,160
Speaker 4: probably doesn't want to do. The other one. That's a

1671
01:19:28,200 --> 01:19:31,320
Speaker 4: sneaky big injury in those and it's gonna sound weird

1672
01:19:31,320 --> 01:19:35,360
Speaker 4: to people, but if you've been following along, the Dolphins

1673
01:19:35,400 --> 01:19:38,839
Speaker 4: put Isaiah Win on ir was that yesterday or on Monday?

1674
01:19:38,920 --> 01:19:40,880
Speaker 3: Yeah? Whatever it was. Yeah, this week.

1675
01:19:40,920 --> 01:19:43,679
Speaker 4: Isaiah Win was really good in that first game against

1676
01:19:43,680 --> 01:19:44,240
Speaker 4: the Patriots.

1677
01:19:44,320 --> 01:19:47,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he's been he's been serviceable for them

1678
01:19:47,360 --> 01:19:51,320
Speaker 3: at guard. Well so that his backup is Lester Cotton,

1679
01:19:51,320 --> 01:19:52,600
Speaker 3: who is not serviceable.

1680
01:19:53,600 --> 01:19:56,479
Speaker 4: But he was He's been fine for them at left card.

1681
01:19:56,479 --> 01:19:58,160
Speaker 4: But that Patriots game, he was the best game of

1682
01:19:58,160 --> 01:20:00,519
Speaker 4: the year. Yeah, he played well, didn't allow me pressures.

1683
01:20:00,520 --> 01:20:04,840
Speaker 4: Just one penalty, Yeah, you just one that happens. You

1684
01:20:04,880 --> 01:20:07,679
Speaker 4: look at the way well compared to his time here.

1685
01:20:08,360 --> 01:20:11,440
Speaker 4: You look at the way Christian Barmore is playing right now. Yeah,

1686
01:20:11,479 --> 01:20:14,400
Speaker 4: where and their starting center is on the injury report

1687
01:20:14,400 --> 01:20:16,280
Speaker 4: as well. He's banged up. I think he practiced yesterday,

1688
01:20:16,280 --> 01:20:17,439
Speaker 4: but he's gotta put the injury report.

1689
01:20:17,720 --> 01:20:20,519
Speaker 3: No, you know he is. Connor Williams is their starting center,

1690
01:20:21,080 --> 01:20:23,400
Speaker 3: and it sounds like Leon Eikenberg is going to play

1691
01:20:23,439 --> 01:20:24,760
Speaker 3: center again for them this week.

1692
01:20:24,760 --> 01:20:28,760
Speaker 4: Who's not a center? No, So I don't want to

1693
01:20:28,760 --> 01:20:31,360
Speaker 4: admit like losing Tyreek Hilt would be that's the biggest

1694
01:20:31,360 --> 01:20:37,479
Speaker 4: loss right there. But if they're down center and left

1695
01:20:37,479 --> 01:20:40,000
Speaker 4: guard against a defensive line that played the way it

1696
01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:42,439
Speaker 4: did last week, they're already on a backup left tackle

1697
01:20:42,439 --> 01:20:46,160
Speaker 4: toront Armstead's on ir that that could be as big

1698
01:20:46,160 --> 01:20:50,160
Speaker 4: as anything because you think and most are played last

1699
01:20:50,160 --> 01:20:53,640
Speaker 4: week and maybe he's fine, all right, Tyreek Hill's banged up,

1700
01:20:53,680 --> 01:20:55,640
Speaker 4: Jalen Wadall's banged up. They still run the ball and

1701
01:20:55,720 --> 01:20:56,920
Speaker 4: use the speed that way. And it's I think it's

1702
01:20:56,920 --> 01:21:00,280
Speaker 4: supposed to rain in Miami, which is rare, but it's

1703
01:21:00,320 --> 01:21:02,000
Speaker 4: not rare that it rains in Miami. But it's supposed

1704
01:21:02,040 --> 01:21:04,360
Speaker 4: to rain the whole day. It's not what he's passing

1705
01:21:04,600 --> 01:21:07,479
Speaker 4: South Florida showers all right, it's raining. You don't receivers

1706
01:21:07,520 --> 01:21:10,880
Speaker 4: are gonna run the ball lift the offensive line is

1707
01:21:11,560 --> 01:21:15,080
Speaker 4: three fifths backups, four fifths backups. That's not going to

1708
01:21:15,120 --> 01:21:17,640
Speaker 4: be so easy either. Yeah, Now, Patrin's stuff to take

1709
01:21:17,640 --> 01:21:18,960
Speaker 4: care of business when they have the football. We can

1710
01:21:19,000 --> 01:21:23,599
Speaker 4: get into that. But on every single level, we kind

1711
01:21:23,600 --> 01:21:25,800
Speaker 4: of came into the season when we previewed all the

1712
01:21:25,840 --> 01:21:28,519
Speaker 4: AFCAST teams. My thing on the Dolphins was, let's see

1713
01:21:28,520 --> 01:21:30,200
Speaker 4: if two is healthy. That's what it comes down to.

1714
01:21:30,720 --> 01:21:33,960
Speaker 4: Two is healthy, but nobody else is right, and that's

1715
01:21:34,000 --> 01:21:34,680
Speaker 4: a problem too.

1716
01:21:34,960 --> 01:21:39,360
Speaker 3: So with all the injuries aside, I al see, it

1717
01:21:39,439 --> 01:21:42,800
Speaker 3: is worth mentioning that two oh was three and zero

1718
01:21:43,720 --> 01:21:46,559
Speaker 3: against the Patriots in the Brian floor a z Era

1719
01:21:46,720 --> 01:21:50,240
Speaker 3: two right, like without Tyreek Hill, without Mike McDaniel. So

1720
01:21:50,280 --> 01:21:55,120
Speaker 3: he's beating you with without an incredible supporting cast. But

1721
01:21:55,640 --> 01:21:57,880
Speaker 3: I think the two things about it is, and you're

1722
01:21:57,880 --> 01:22:01,400
Speaker 3: one hundred percent right when it comes to the offensive line.

1723
01:22:02,120 --> 01:22:04,960
Speaker 3: This Dolphins offense, and I would say the same thing

1724
01:22:05,000 --> 01:22:08,240
Speaker 3: about most Shanahan teams, like the San Francisco forty nine

1725
01:22:08,320 --> 01:22:11,200
Speaker 3: ers are the same way as talented as they are

1726
01:22:11,240 --> 01:22:14,439
Speaker 3: at the skill positions. It all runs through the offensive line,

1727
01:22:14,920 --> 01:22:17,040
Speaker 3: it all runs through the blocking schemes, and it all

1728
01:22:17,120 --> 01:22:21,000
Speaker 3: runs through the offensive line. So if you can it's

1729
01:22:21,040 --> 01:22:23,640
Speaker 3: just you know, it's not like anything revolution like. It's

1730
01:22:23,680 --> 01:22:26,160
Speaker 3: the same for a lot of great passing offenses. If

1731
01:22:26,160 --> 01:22:32,040
Speaker 3: you can disrupt and get pressure and take over the

1732
01:22:32,080 --> 01:22:34,760
Speaker 3: line of scrimmage in this game, then you're gonna have

1733
01:22:34,800 --> 01:22:36,960
Speaker 3: a much better chance to beat them. Whether they have

1734
01:22:37,000 --> 01:22:39,160
Speaker 3: Tyreek kill or they don't. Right like that, that's just

1735
01:22:39,200 --> 01:22:43,080
Speaker 3: the bottom line. So in Week three, Week two, excuse me,

1736
01:22:43,120 --> 01:22:46,280
Speaker 3: the first time that they played the Dolphins here, they

1737
01:22:46,800 --> 01:22:51,160
Speaker 3: I thought that their game plan had sound reasoning behind it.

1738
01:22:51,240 --> 01:22:54,880
Speaker 3: I understood what they were trying to accomplish with the lights,

1739
01:22:55,000 --> 01:22:57,400
Speaker 3: you know, the soft zone and the light boxes and

1740
01:22:57,439 --> 01:22:59,559
Speaker 3: the three deep safety look they came out with in

1741
01:22:59,600 --> 01:23:02,840
Speaker 3: the open drive from Miami. But like I mentioned before

1742
01:23:02,840 --> 01:23:07,280
Speaker 3: the break, the issue with it was that the timing

1743
01:23:07,360 --> 01:23:10,200
Speaker 3: of the offense and getting the ball out of his

1744
01:23:10,280 --> 01:23:14,320
Speaker 3: hands and hitting the quick underneath throws and setting up

1745
01:23:14,320 --> 01:23:18,000
Speaker 3: the yac plays. That's Tua's bread and butter, like that's

1746
01:23:18,160 --> 01:23:21,679
Speaker 3: that's how he plays his best. So, yes, you kept

1747
01:23:21,680 --> 01:23:25,120
Speaker 3: the top on the defense. They had one deep pass completion,

1748
01:23:25,479 --> 01:23:28,360
Speaker 3: They had a couple of like mini explosives, but they

1749
01:23:28,400 --> 01:23:31,160
Speaker 3: didn't have any of those like seventy five yard Tyreek

1750
01:23:31,200 --> 01:23:34,679
Speaker 3: Hill just running through everybody and see you later. Those

1751
01:23:34,720 --> 01:23:37,680
Speaker 3: types of plays. Yeah, they took those away, but what

1752
01:23:37,760 --> 01:23:40,879
Speaker 3: they didn't take away was the fact that Tua averaged

1753
01:23:40,920 --> 01:23:44,200
Speaker 3: I think two point zero eight seconds and time to

1754
01:23:44,280 --> 01:23:48,919
Speaker 3: throw in that game sixty or no excuse me, seventy

1755
01:23:49,000 --> 01:23:51,840
Speaker 3: percent of his throws came out in under two and

1756
01:23:51,880 --> 01:23:55,400
Speaker 3: a half seconds. Yeah, he was just carving you up

1757
01:23:55,560 --> 01:23:58,559
Speaker 3: and hitting the top of his drop, getting the ball

1758
01:23:58,600 --> 01:24:03,439
Speaker 3: out immediately. Those types of throws are that's too a

1759
01:24:03,840 --> 01:24:07,680
Speaker 3: that's that's his comfort zone. It might their offense might

1760
01:24:07,720 --> 01:24:10,960
Speaker 3: be more explosive than that, but the quarterback thrives in

1761
01:24:11,080 --> 01:24:11,800
Speaker 3: that type of way.

1762
01:24:11,880 --> 01:24:14,519
Speaker 4: And the reason they're able to do that is they

1763
01:24:14,560 --> 01:24:19,760
Speaker 4: have these receivers Tyreek Kill, Jalen Waddle yack monsters. Well, yes,

1764
01:24:20,520 --> 01:24:24,120
Speaker 4: elite release packages, because you can't throw the ball in

1765
01:24:24,120 --> 01:24:27,040
Speaker 4: two seconds if nobody's open and it's not easy to

1766
01:24:27,040 --> 01:24:27,800
Speaker 4: get open that quick.

1767
01:24:27,880 --> 01:24:29,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, burst off the line.

1768
01:24:29,240 --> 01:24:33,080
Speaker 4: So if those guys are well, if Heill's not playing

1769
01:24:33,160 --> 01:24:37,160
Speaker 4: and Waddle's playing, hurt. Yeah, if I'm the pain, this

1770
01:24:37,360 --> 01:24:40,800
Speaker 4: sounds kind of concert counter to what you would normally

1771
01:24:40,800 --> 01:24:44,360
Speaker 4: do against Miami? Do you jam them a little bit

1772
01:24:44,400 --> 01:24:45,080
Speaker 4: this week? That?

1773
01:24:46,360 --> 01:24:48,479
Speaker 3: Yes, And I would do it even if those guys

1774
01:24:48,479 --> 01:24:49,800
Speaker 3: were out there and at one hundred.

1775
01:24:49,520 --> 01:24:51,400
Speaker 4: Per just because of the offensive line.

1776
01:24:51,439 --> 01:24:54,080
Speaker 3: So the strategy against the Dolphins that has worked the

1777
01:24:54,120 --> 01:24:59,400
Speaker 3: most is two man two man coverage. So you're playing

1778
01:24:59,640 --> 01:25:02,479
Speaker 3: two d keep safeties with man coverage underneath it.

1779
01:25:02,600 --> 01:25:02,800
Speaker 11: Yeah.

1780
01:25:03,040 --> 01:25:05,519
Speaker 3: And the reason why a lot of teams so two

1781
01:25:05,520 --> 01:25:07,680
Speaker 3: man is probably one of the least popular coverages to

1782
01:25:07,720 --> 01:25:10,960
Speaker 3: play in the NFL. The reason why, the reason why

1783
01:25:10,960 --> 01:25:13,160
Speaker 3: a lot of teams don't play two man is because

1784
01:25:13,160 --> 01:25:15,639
Speaker 3: there's nobody to account for the quarterback. So if you're

1785
01:25:15,640 --> 01:25:18,680
Speaker 3: facing a mobile quarterback, you can't play too man.

1786
01:25:19,160 --> 01:25:20,800
Speaker 4: You can do two men with a spy, but then

1787
01:25:20,840 --> 01:25:21,719
Speaker 4: you have like no pass.

1788
01:25:21,600 --> 01:25:24,120
Speaker 3: Rush you really can't. Like then you're really talking about

1789
01:25:24,120 --> 01:25:27,640
Speaker 3: like a three man rush. So if you want to

1790
01:25:27,720 --> 01:25:33,280
Speaker 3: rush four and you want to play you know, conventional

1791
01:25:33,320 --> 01:25:36,240
Speaker 3: defense that way, in terms of the pass rush, you

1792
01:25:36,280 --> 01:25:40,240
Speaker 3: can't play two men against a mobile quarterback. So playing

1793
01:25:40,240 --> 01:25:45,400
Speaker 3: two men against Buffalo is no disaster, right, Like, You're

1794
01:25:45,400 --> 01:25:48,919
Speaker 3: not gonna do that playing two man against Lamar Jackson

1795
01:25:49,120 --> 01:25:51,519
Speaker 3: like just like ha, like what do you? What the

1796
01:25:51,520 --> 01:25:56,280
Speaker 3: heck are you doing? Tua is not somebody that I'm

1797
01:25:56,360 --> 01:25:59,960
Speaker 3: too worried about beating you with his legs. If that's

1798
01:26:00,080 --> 01:26:02,120
Speaker 3: how they're beating you, you chal that up as a win.

1799
01:26:02,280 --> 01:26:02,439
Speaker 5: Right.

1800
01:26:02,520 --> 01:26:05,160
Speaker 3: So a lot of teams that have had success Philadelphia

1801
01:26:05,200 --> 01:26:09,200
Speaker 3: this past week, Buffalo last year, like the Chargers like

1802
01:26:10,040 --> 01:26:13,680
Speaker 3: randomly had a great game against this Dolphins offense, a

1803
01:26:13,680 --> 01:26:15,840
Speaker 3: lot of those teams have played two man. So you

1804
01:26:15,880 --> 01:26:18,679
Speaker 3: play two deep safeties and you put those guys over

1805
01:26:18,720 --> 01:26:21,040
Speaker 3: the top to help against the verticals, and then you

1806
01:26:21,080 --> 01:26:24,720
Speaker 3: play inside leverage man to man. So the other thing

1807
01:26:24,840 --> 01:26:27,559
Speaker 3: along with rhythm throws right and alongo with getting the

1808
01:26:27,560 --> 01:26:29,519
Speaker 3: ball out of his hands quickly, the other thing that

1809
01:26:29,560 --> 01:26:31,599
Speaker 3: TWOA loves to do is to throw in breaking routes.

1810
01:26:32,280 --> 01:26:35,320
Speaker 3: That's that offense, right. Yeah, So the three most the

1811
01:26:35,360 --> 01:26:38,520
Speaker 3: guys that throw in breaking routes at the highest percentage

1812
01:26:39,280 --> 01:26:42,000
Speaker 3: in the league. I bet you you could guess it

1813
01:26:42,479 --> 01:26:44,040
Speaker 3: because it's all Shanahan guys.

1814
01:26:44,160 --> 01:26:50,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, Tua Purdy yeah, and Wilson Jets, Jared Goff, oh

1815
01:26:50,680 --> 01:26:53,760
Speaker 4: close enough. Those they don't have those kind of I

1816
01:26:53,800 --> 01:26:54,200
Speaker 4: guess they do.

1817
01:26:54,600 --> 01:26:58,880
Speaker 3: So if you play two man one, you can jam

1818
01:26:58,880 --> 01:27:01,080
Speaker 3: at the line of scrimmage to throw off the timing, right,

1819
01:27:01,120 --> 01:27:02,639
Speaker 3: so now he's got to hold the ball and wait

1820
01:27:02,680 --> 01:27:05,639
Speaker 3: for it to develop. Two you can try to force

1821
01:27:05,720 --> 01:27:07,880
Speaker 3: to it to throw the ball outside the numbers. And

1822
01:27:07,920 --> 01:27:10,400
Speaker 3: I'm not talking about verticals outside the numbers. I'm talking

1823
01:27:10,400 --> 01:27:14,439
Speaker 3: about like outs, flats, like things outside the numbers. So

1824
01:27:14,880 --> 01:27:17,120
Speaker 3: that way, there you protect the inside of the field,

1825
01:27:17,479 --> 01:27:20,320
Speaker 3: you protect against the verticals, and you make them beat

1826
01:27:20,320 --> 01:27:24,519
Speaker 3: you throwing you know, twelve yard outs to the brax

1827
01:27:24,600 --> 01:27:27,800
Speaker 3: and barrios right like or whatever. If they beat you

1828
01:27:27,840 --> 01:27:29,320
Speaker 3: that way, then you just have to tip the cap

1829
01:27:29,400 --> 01:27:33,559
Speaker 3: and say good job, you did it right. So the

1830
01:27:33,640 --> 01:27:35,920
Speaker 3: other thing that the Eagles did along with the timing.

1831
01:27:35,960 --> 01:27:37,800
Speaker 3: So I think that this is like the reason why

1832
01:27:37,840 --> 01:27:40,559
Speaker 3: I bring up the coverage is because I think Philly

1833
01:27:41,040 --> 01:27:45,360
Speaker 3: people watch that game and they watch Phillies front dominate

1834
01:27:45,680 --> 01:27:49,000
Speaker 3: the Dolphins offensive line, and they said, the reason why

1835
01:27:49,439 --> 01:27:53,000
Speaker 3: Philly won that game and shut down the Miami offense

1836
01:27:53,439 --> 01:27:56,839
Speaker 3: was because they have that defensive front. Their pass rushers

1837
01:27:56,840 --> 01:28:00,720
Speaker 3: are insane. You know, Reddick, the rookie forget his name

1838
01:28:00,720 --> 01:28:05,599
Speaker 3: for some j Jalen Carter. Those guys are awesome. There's

1839
01:28:05,640 --> 01:28:09,040
Speaker 3: some truth to that, absolutely, But they weren't allowing to

1840
01:28:09,040 --> 01:28:10,519
Speaker 3: to get the ball out of his hands quickly. They

1841
01:28:10,520 --> 01:28:12,800
Speaker 3: made him hold the football and that was because of

1842
01:28:12,800 --> 01:28:15,599
Speaker 3: the way that they played coverage. So the other wrinkle

1843
01:28:15,680 --> 01:28:18,360
Speaker 3: that they did and Sean Decide, you know, got a

1844
01:28:18,360 --> 01:28:21,240
Speaker 3: lot of his own flowers this week for his game

1845
01:28:21,240 --> 01:28:27,320
Speaker 3: plan against Miami, Shandacida also played tilted coverage, so he

1846
01:28:27,520 --> 01:28:31,440
Speaker 3: tilted the deep safeties to Tyree Kill's side of the field.

1847
01:28:32,200 --> 01:28:35,200
Speaker 3: So the biggest issue with playing two men against Miami

1848
01:28:35,720 --> 01:28:37,920
Speaker 3: is that if you play that coverage and you play

1849
01:28:38,080 --> 01:28:41,320
Speaker 3: the corner inside shade on the receiver, all that they'll

1850
01:28:41,360 --> 01:28:43,400
Speaker 3: do is they'll just run fades to the sideline for

1851
01:28:43,479 --> 01:28:46,799
Speaker 3: Tyree Kill and the safety that's midpointing or playing the half,

1852
01:28:47,000 --> 01:28:49,240
Speaker 3: he has a long way to go right to impact

1853
01:28:49,240 --> 01:28:52,280
Speaker 3: that throw. So what the the Eagles did is they

1854
01:28:52,280 --> 01:28:55,200
Speaker 3: put the safety on the numbers and they just put

1855
01:28:55,280 --> 01:28:58,720
Speaker 3: him right over the fade, so that way there, it

1856
01:28:58,920 --> 01:29:03,719
Speaker 3: had to go underneath and to the outside. So hold

1857
01:29:03,720 --> 01:29:07,360
Speaker 3: the football and then limit the yards after the catch, right,

1858
01:29:07,400 --> 01:29:10,479
Speaker 3: That's what Philly did. They pressure to it by holding

1859
01:29:10,479 --> 01:29:13,559
Speaker 3: the football. They limit the yards after the catch, and

1860
01:29:13,640 --> 01:29:15,519
Speaker 3: they took away the bread and butter routes. They didn't

1861
01:29:15,560 --> 01:29:19,280
Speaker 3: let them hit those skinnies. You know they love skinny posts, crossers, verticals.

1862
01:29:19,320 --> 01:29:21,439
Speaker 3: They didn't let him hit those routes. And that's how

1863
01:29:21,439 --> 01:29:23,880
Speaker 3: you shut down Miami. So if you can do that

1864
01:29:23,920 --> 01:29:26,120
Speaker 3: in this game, and I think you do that almost

1865
01:29:26,160 --> 01:29:28,559
Speaker 3: regardless of whether or not Tyreek kills out there or not,

1866
01:29:28,640 --> 01:29:32,519
Speaker 3: because even though the effectiveness with Braxon Barrios and Cedric

1867
01:29:32,520 --> 01:29:34,559
Speaker 3: Wilson and those guys is not going to be the same,

1868
01:29:35,120 --> 01:29:37,599
Speaker 3: I don't think Mike McDaniel is going to completely reinvent

1869
01:29:37,640 --> 01:29:40,040
Speaker 3: his offense on three series. So they're gonna run what

1870
01:29:40,080 --> 01:29:43,040
Speaker 3: they're gonna run. And I think that's the main key

1871
01:29:43,600 --> 01:29:46,519
Speaker 3: to getting to Tua is to get him to hold

1872
01:29:46,560 --> 01:29:50,120
Speaker 3: the football and take away the quick game stuff. They

1873
01:29:50,160 --> 01:29:52,880
Speaker 3: haven't been able to do that against Tua, even going

1874
01:29:52,920 --> 01:29:56,320
Speaker 3: back to Brian Flores, Like remember the first couple games

1875
01:29:56,320 --> 01:29:58,760
Speaker 3: against too, it was like all rpo and quick game

1876
01:29:58,800 --> 01:30:01,000
Speaker 3: and all this crap, and that they was just getting

1877
01:30:01,040 --> 01:30:03,080
Speaker 3: the ball out of his hands quickly. And the box

1878
01:30:03,080 --> 01:30:06,400
Speaker 3: score numbers weren't like overly impressive, but they controlled the

1879
01:30:06,479 --> 01:30:09,040
Speaker 3: pace of the game on offense, and that's kind of

1880
01:30:09,040 --> 01:30:10,920
Speaker 3: how I thought that the Week two game went. They

1881
01:30:10,920 --> 01:30:13,479
Speaker 3: only scored twenty four points, They only had like three

1882
01:30:13,560 --> 01:30:15,640
Speaker 3: hundred and eighty yards of offense. It wasn't like this

1883
01:30:15,720 --> 01:30:21,040
Speaker 3: big offensive explosion for the Dolphins, but they were extremely

1884
01:30:21,080 --> 01:30:23,679
Speaker 3: successful on their plays. I think they were like sixty

1885
01:30:23,720 --> 01:30:27,080
Speaker 3: percent success rate, and they just they controlled the pace

1886
01:30:27,080 --> 01:30:30,200
Speaker 3: of the game. They controlled possession, they controlled the pace,

1887
01:30:30,520 --> 01:30:33,000
Speaker 3: and honestly, like the Patriots really didn't stop them all

1888
01:30:33,000 --> 01:30:36,000
Speaker 3: that much. They got the one turnover by Christian Gonzales

1889
01:30:36,280 --> 01:30:38,559
Speaker 3: and then they got some nice red zone plays and

1890
01:30:38,600 --> 01:30:40,759
Speaker 3: things like that, and to A tripped all over himself

1891
01:30:40,760 --> 01:30:42,960
Speaker 3: on one third down in the red zone and that's

1892
01:30:42,960 --> 01:30:46,960
Speaker 3: how you get the twenty four. So that's a game plan. Defensively,

1893
01:30:47,200 --> 01:30:51,519
Speaker 3: I think against Tua is you have to play man,

1894
01:30:51,720 --> 01:30:53,559
Speaker 3: but you have to play with the two deep safeties

1895
01:30:53,560 --> 01:30:55,720
Speaker 3: over the top. You play single high against them, you're

1896
01:30:55,720 --> 01:30:56,479
Speaker 3: asking for trouble.

1897
01:30:56,840 --> 01:31:00,760
Speaker 4: Yeah. I think again, just disrupt the timing pass rush

1898
01:31:00,800 --> 01:31:03,280
Speaker 4: will be big this week. I think you gotta get

1899
01:31:03,280 --> 01:31:04,960
Speaker 4: in his face that' see. I add to what you said.

1900
01:31:04,960 --> 01:31:06,960
Speaker 4: I think he got to get in his face. And

1901
01:31:07,040 --> 01:31:10,479
Speaker 4: another thing, hands up in the passing lines. Yeah, it's

1902
01:31:10,520 --> 01:31:12,960
Speaker 4: something they haven't done as well against him that they

1903
01:31:13,240 --> 01:31:14,200
Speaker 4: probably should be.

1904
01:31:14,520 --> 01:31:14,840
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1905
01:31:15,120 --> 01:31:16,000
Speaker 4: Is he six foot six to.

1906
01:31:16,000 --> 01:31:17,960
Speaker 3: One right, Yeah, and he likes to throw over the middle.

1907
01:31:18,479 --> 01:31:21,400
Speaker 4: Right, So you're getting this push now, and the Dolphins

1908
01:31:21,439 --> 01:31:22,960
Speaker 4: are seeing that on tape and they're gonna be more

1909
01:31:23,000 --> 01:31:25,320
Speaker 4: cognizant of that. You gotta be ready when he throws

1910
01:31:25,400 --> 01:31:28,040
Speaker 4: ball to get those hands up. Anthony Jennings, he was

1911
01:31:28,080 --> 01:31:29,200
Speaker 4: amazing at this in college.

1912
01:31:29,280 --> 01:31:31,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was. He's a long guy.

1913
01:31:31,640 --> 01:31:33,439
Speaker 4: He was as good as knocking passes down the line

1914
01:31:33,479 --> 01:31:35,240
Speaker 4: of scrimmed as anybody. When they drafted him, I thought

1915
01:31:35,240 --> 01:31:37,519
Speaker 4: it was part of the reason. Uh, you know, get

1916
01:31:37,560 --> 01:31:39,160
Speaker 4: him in here and have him just rub some of

1917
01:31:39,200 --> 01:31:41,479
Speaker 4: these RPOs, Christian Barmore. If he's gonna be getting that pressure.

1918
01:31:41,560 --> 01:31:43,160
Speaker 4: These are guys, by the way they played with Tua

1919
01:31:43,280 --> 01:31:44,720
Speaker 4: that will have a good idea of the timing and

1920
01:31:44,760 --> 01:31:47,320
Speaker 4: what he wants to do. I think this is another game.

1921
01:31:47,400 --> 01:31:49,320
Speaker 4: The covered stuff's all important, but especially if you don't

1922
01:31:49,360 --> 01:31:52,639
Speaker 4: have Tyreek Hill and Jalen Watdalls banged up. They're also

1923
01:31:52,720 --> 01:31:54,920
Speaker 4: healthier at corner than they were in that last matchup.

1924
01:31:54,960 --> 01:31:57,280
Speaker 4: Member they they'll have Jack Jones who they didn't have.

1925
01:31:57,320 --> 01:31:59,479
Speaker 4: They weren't of Gonzales, but they'll have Jack Jones who

1926
01:31:59,479 --> 01:32:01,640
Speaker 4: they didn't have that game, the lift John Jones who

1927
01:32:01,640 --> 01:32:03,479
Speaker 4: they didn't have in that game, and they'll ja C

1928
01:32:03,600 --> 01:32:04,960
Speaker 4: Jackson they hadn't traded for yet.

1929
01:32:05,160 --> 01:32:06,360
Speaker 3: Right, it's manageable.

1930
01:32:06,400 --> 01:32:08,160
Speaker 4: It's mangible in the back end without Tyreek Kill and

1931
01:32:08,240 --> 01:32:10,439
Speaker 4: Jalen Wadle banged up. Doesn't mean it's easy, but it's manageable.

1932
01:32:11,880 --> 01:32:13,760
Speaker 4: If that offensive line is banged up as it is,

1933
01:32:14,120 --> 01:32:16,960
Speaker 4: they need to get to a scene ghosts in terms

1934
01:32:16,960 --> 01:32:18,439
Speaker 4: of the pass rush in this game, and it's something

1935
01:32:18,439 --> 01:32:20,360
Speaker 4: I think they can do. That's what I'll be looking

1936
01:32:20,360 --> 01:32:21,800
Speaker 4: for first and foremost.

1937
01:32:21,479 --> 01:32:23,679
Speaker 3: Last thing, and then we'll take some more of these calls.

1938
01:32:24,640 --> 01:32:26,400
Speaker 3: The other thing that the Eagles were able to do

1939
01:32:26,439 --> 01:32:29,240
Speaker 3: in that game that the Patriots simply didn't do well

1940
01:32:29,760 --> 01:32:31,600
Speaker 3: was stop the run out of light boxes and that

1941
01:32:31,800 --> 01:32:34,000
Speaker 3: that's the front, right, that's.

1942
01:32:33,840 --> 01:32:36,400
Speaker 4: Where Jawan Bentley shows up. That's where your your hope

1943
01:32:36,439 --> 01:32:38,200
Speaker 4: and Jowan Bentley shows up and plays a big game.

1944
01:32:38,280 --> 01:32:40,519
Speaker 3: So I thought a huge, huge part of that game

1945
01:32:41,280 --> 01:32:44,360
Speaker 3: early on was how well the Eagles played the run

1946
01:32:44,439 --> 01:32:48,599
Speaker 3: game against Miami, and Miami then got behind, they basically

1947
01:32:48,600 --> 01:32:50,040
Speaker 3: had to go. They only ran the ball I think

1948
01:32:50,080 --> 01:32:53,120
Speaker 3: twelve times with their running backs in that game. That

1949
01:32:53,120 --> 01:32:55,639
Speaker 3: that's that's a key. Like you have to be able

1950
01:32:55,680 --> 01:32:57,679
Speaker 3: to stop the run out of six seven man boxes

1951
01:32:57,720 --> 01:32:59,479
Speaker 3: because you're not gonna put You're not gonna stack the

1952
01:32:59,479 --> 01:33:02,160
Speaker 3: boxgainst Miami, so you have to be able to stop

1953
01:33:02,160 --> 01:33:05,240
Speaker 3: the run out of too high shell. That was what

1954
01:33:05,640 --> 01:33:09,840
Speaker 3: That's the difference between the Eagles defensive line. Like that's

1955
01:33:09,880 --> 01:33:12,479
Speaker 3: where like that comes in, right, is that their dominant

1956
01:33:12,479 --> 01:33:15,080
Speaker 3: defensive line has that ability to just go out there

1957
01:33:15,320 --> 01:33:17,760
Speaker 3: and stop you. But you also have to remember, like

1958
01:33:17,800 --> 01:33:20,640
Speaker 3: what we've been saying about their offensive line, they have

1959
01:33:20,760 --> 01:33:23,120
Speaker 3: some banged up pieces on the their missing three fists

1960
01:33:23,120 --> 01:33:25,719
Speaker 3: of their offensive line, So you need to take advantage

1961
01:33:25,760 --> 01:33:27,840
Speaker 3: of that. And that really needs to translate to the

1962
01:33:27,920 --> 01:33:32,599
Speaker 3: run game and stopping the run against the Patriots, they

1963
01:33:32,640 --> 01:33:37,200
Speaker 3: average over six yards per attempt against light boxes. You know,

1964
01:33:37,320 --> 01:33:39,880
Speaker 3: forty three of those came on one run. But even

1965
01:33:39,920 --> 01:33:42,320
Speaker 3: if you take the moster touchdown run out of it,

1966
01:33:42,320 --> 01:33:43,880
Speaker 3: it's still over four yards to carry.

1967
01:33:44,040 --> 01:33:46,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, still too much. No you need This is a

1968
01:33:46,479 --> 01:33:49,040
Speaker 4: big bounce back game for Jwan Bentley. Yeah, because that's him,

1969
01:33:49,160 --> 01:33:51,960
Speaker 4: that's him making contact before the guy can bounce it

1970
01:33:51,960 --> 01:33:52,519
Speaker 4: to the outside.

1971
01:33:52,600 --> 01:33:56,160
Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, All right, let's get to Todd in North Carolina.

1972
01:33:56,160 --> 01:33:57,599
Speaker 3: Thanks for calling back, Todd. What's up.

1973
01:33:59,360 --> 01:34:02,240
Speaker 7: Yeah, they're focusing a lot on the D. But I

1974
01:34:02,240 --> 01:34:04,280
Speaker 7: think this game is going to be about our offense,

1975
01:34:04,320 --> 01:34:06,280
Speaker 7: and I really think that one of the keys to

1976
01:34:06,320 --> 01:34:09,439
Speaker 7: the game is just be consistent and don't turn it over.

1977
01:34:10,040 --> 01:34:11,519
Speaker 7: You know, I think that's what we need. We need,

1978
01:34:11,600 --> 01:34:13,080
Speaker 7: But I'm not gonna say that it's the perfect game.

1979
01:34:13,080 --> 01:34:16,000
Speaker 7: But just get some plays out there, get it moving,

1980
01:34:16,040 --> 01:34:18,639
Speaker 7: and you know, so we don't constantly have to face

1981
01:34:18,720 --> 01:34:21,559
Speaker 7: two US and eventually that'll just that quick game will

1982
01:34:21,560 --> 01:34:22,519
Speaker 7: wear our defense down.

1983
01:34:23,000 --> 01:34:23,240
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1984
01:34:23,720 --> 01:34:24,360
Speaker 7: What do you guys think?

1985
01:34:24,520 --> 01:34:27,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, good call Todd. Thanks for calling in. Uh yeah,

1986
01:34:27,240 --> 01:34:29,439
Speaker 3: I wanted to talk about the offense too. It's not

1987
01:34:29,560 --> 01:34:31,400
Speaker 3: we're not all just a rapid defense, So just haven't

1988
01:34:31,400 --> 01:34:35,880
Speaker 3: gone to the offense yet. Offensively, I you know, I

1989
01:34:35,960 --> 01:34:37,720
Speaker 3: like Bill O'Brien, so this is not like I'm not

1990
01:34:37,760 --> 01:34:40,439
Speaker 3: trying to dump on Bill O'Brien. But Vic Fangio got

1991
01:34:40,520 --> 01:34:43,719
Speaker 3: him in week two. You just did. Now. It didn't

1992
01:34:43,760 --> 01:34:47,760
Speaker 3: help that they were playing Calvin Anderson and Vederi and

1993
01:34:47,800 --> 01:34:49,040
Speaker 3: Low as their two tackles right.

1994
01:34:49,120 --> 01:34:52,599
Speaker 4: Afferent and did Ye Stranger one who both played next.

1995
01:34:52,680 --> 01:34:55,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, but they were playing Calvin Anderson and Vaderian lower

1996
01:34:55,439 --> 01:34:58,479
Speaker 3: Turnstiles in that game. They were horrible. And then they

1997
01:34:58,520 --> 01:35:02,160
Speaker 3: also bench Pop Douglas after the fumble. So you're taking

1998
01:35:02,479 --> 01:35:04,960
Speaker 3: that's a big difference about where this team is at

1999
01:35:05,000 --> 01:35:06,880
Speaker 3: now versus where this team was at in week two.

2000
01:35:07,360 --> 01:35:12,479
Speaker 3: But Fangio's system is very hard. It's a really good

2001
01:35:12,720 --> 01:35:15,880
Speaker 3: sound system. Now, Miami statistically is not a good defense.

2002
01:35:15,880 --> 01:35:18,880
Speaker 3: They're twenty fourth in DVOA. They're down near the bottom

2003
01:35:18,880 --> 01:35:20,479
Speaker 3: of the league in points break. They've given up twenty

2004
01:35:20,520 --> 01:35:22,400
Speaker 3: seven points a game. You know, they haven't played well

2005
01:35:22,400 --> 01:35:26,439
Speaker 3: on defense this year on the whole. And sticking with

2006
01:35:26,479 --> 01:35:29,840
Speaker 3: the injury theme, Javon Holland their best player on defense,

2007
01:35:29,880 --> 01:35:31,680
Speaker 3: is in kacussion protocol. He's not going to play. Like

2008
01:35:31,720 --> 01:35:34,439
Speaker 3: there's like a seventy five percent chance he's not playing

2009
01:35:34,479 --> 01:35:34,840
Speaker 3: in this game.

2010
01:35:34,880 --> 01:35:37,120
Speaker 4: They also have five corners that were limited yesterday.

2011
01:35:37,200 --> 01:35:39,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we'll see if Ramsey's back or not.

2012
01:35:39,520 --> 01:35:44,120
Speaker 4: So help me square this. Yeah, if people remember way

2013
01:35:44,160 --> 01:35:46,040
Speaker 4: back and I wrote about this way back on ninety

2014
01:35:46,080 --> 01:35:48,200
Speaker 4: eighty five the sports sub dot com if people want

2015
01:35:48,200 --> 01:35:51,080
Speaker 4: to go find it. Yeah, I was not a big

2016
01:35:51,160 --> 01:35:54,000
Speaker 4: Ramsey guy this offseason. Yeah, I just think his best

2017
01:35:54,000 --> 01:35:55,800
Speaker 4: football is behind him. I agree, it doesn't mean he's

2018
01:35:55,840 --> 01:35:59,200
Speaker 4: not serviceable. But every single time he went up against

2019
01:35:59,240 --> 01:36:02,439
Speaker 4: the top receiver line year, he got torched. Patriots don't

2020
01:36:02,479 --> 01:36:06,439
Speaker 4: exactly have a top receiver. But I'm sitting here, like,

2021
01:36:07,560 --> 01:36:09,840
Speaker 4: if he plays, I want them to test him. I

2022
01:36:09,920 --> 01:36:11,599
Speaker 4: kind of want them to test him to see where

2023
01:36:11,640 --> 01:36:12,320
Speaker 4: he's really at.

2024
01:36:12,680 --> 01:36:14,479
Speaker 3: What's better than thrown at Zavian Howard?

2025
01:36:15,080 --> 01:36:18,080
Speaker 4: Right, But like how do you test it? Like I

2026
01:36:18,320 --> 01:36:20,360
Speaker 4: don't know who the guy is to test him, right,

2027
01:36:20,400 --> 01:36:21,120
Speaker 4: So That's what I'm stuck on.

2028
01:36:21,320 --> 01:36:23,120
Speaker 3: So I think the question is is.

2029
01:36:23,520 --> 01:36:25,639
Speaker 4: Although Zavian Howard's hurt too, let's not forget that.

2030
01:36:25,720 --> 01:36:29,200
Speaker 3: If he does play, Ramsey if he does play, Yeah,

2031
01:36:29,720 --> 01:36:33,040
Speaker 3: I have I wonder what Fangio's plan is with him,

2032
01:36:33,479 --> 01:36:36,799
Speaker 3: because I think that there's a chance that he plays

2033
01:36:36,800 --> 01:36:39,400
Speaker 3: the star role and he's in the slot because he's

2034
01:36:39,400 --> 01:36:41,559
Speaker 3: always been a guy that's that's played a little bit

2035
01:36:41,600 --> 01:36:44,559
Speaker 3: inside and he's always had that skill set, and in

2036
01:36:44,600 --> 01:36:48,240
Speaker 3: that defense, the star role is maybe the most important

2037
01:36:48,320 --> 01:36:50,680
Speaker 3: role in the entire defense because the way that they

2038
01:36:50,760 --> 01:36:53,280
Speaker 3: rotate their safeties and the way that they play coverage,

2039
01:36:53,400 --> 01:36:56,519
Speaker 3: they you have to have a really good nickel like

2040
01:36:56,600 --> 01:36:59,800
Speaker 3: that's important for that defense. So I wonder if maybe

2041
01:36:59,840 --> 01:37:02,400
Speaker 3: that that's where they're going with Ramsey and that's why

2042
01:37:02,439 --> 01:37:05,760
Speaker 3: they acquired him. And to your point, Okay, maybe he's

2043
01:37:05,760 --> 01:37:08,799
Speaker 3: not the guy to carry routes on the outside anymore

2044
01:37:08,840 --> 01:37:11,080
Speaker 3: than he was early on in his career. So let's

2045
01:37:11,080 --> 01:37:13,040
Speaker 3: move him in kind of how they you know, some

2046
01:37:13,080 --> 01:37:15,680
Speaker 3: guys move to safety like later on in their career, right,

2047
01:37:16,000 --> 01:37:17,880
Speaker 3: but in this in term, it's we're moving him into

2048
01:37:17,880 --> 01:37:20,320
Speaker 3: the slot. So if they if Ramsey plays and he

2049
01:37:20,360 --> 01:37:23,120
Speaker 3: plays in the slot like I think he might, then

2050
01:37:23,160 --> 01:37:25,200
Speaker 3: he does become a big factor in this game, because

2051
01:37:25,200 --> 01:37:27,160
Speaker 3: that's where the Patriots want to throw the ball, right,

2052
01:37:27,240 --> 01:37:30,880
Speaker 3: So I think that becomes a factor. So with Fangio,

2053
01:37:32,640 --> 01:37:37,120
Speaker 3: everybody in the in the league is a little bit

2054
01:37:37,120 --> 01:37:39,760
Speaker 3: of Fangio. Now, they like Fangio is the hottest guy

2055
01:37:39,760 --> 01:37:42,680
Speaker 3: in the league right now. Defensively plays a ton of

2056
01:37:42,720 --> 01:37:46,320
Speaker 3: split safety zone, a ton of two high split safety zone.

2057
01:37:46,800 --> 01:37:49,639
Speaker 3: The base coverage in his coverage is Cover six, which

2058
01:37:49,640 --> 01:37:52,880
Speaker 3: is quarter quarter half, So you have quarters to one side, right,

2059
01:37:52,960 --> 01:37:55,439
Speaker 3: a deep fourth deep fourth quarters to one side, and

2060
01:37:55,439 --> 01:37:57,840
Speaker 3: then you have Cover two to the backside. That that's

2061
01:37:57,880 --> 01:38:01,799
Speaker 3: how they play it. So you can beat that coverage

2062
01:38:01,840 --> 01:38:05,080
Speaker 3: down the field. But it's essentially designed to take away

2063
01:38:05,080 --> 01:38:07,439
Speaker 3: big plays, which is why everybody plays it now because

2064
01:38:07,520 --> 01:38:09,840
Speaker 3: of all the quarterbacks and passing games and things like that.

2065
01:38:10,280 --> 01:38:13,719
Speaker 3: So you can set up big plays down the field.

2066
01:38:14,280 --> 01:38:16,800
Speaker 3: But in order to hit shot plays down the field

2067
01:38:16,800 --> 01:38:20,639
Speaker 3: against Vangio, you need time. You need the quarterback has

2068
01:38:20,680 --> 01:38:22,920
Speaker 3: to have time in the pocket because what you're gonna

2069
01:38:22,920 --> 01:38:25,160
Speaker 3: do is you're gonna clear out right, You're gonna clear

2070
01:38:25,200 --> 01:38:27,719
Speaker 3: out the quarters side and then you're gonna send routes

2071
01:38:27,720 --> 01:38:30,639
Speaker 3: from the backside into the quarter's side. But in order

2072
01:38:30,720 --> 01:38:32,680
Speaker 3: to do that, you need the quarterback to have some

2073
01:38:32,760 --> 01:38:35,080
Speaker 3: time in the pocket. To let that develop. So that's

2074
01:38:35,080 --> 01:38:38,360
Speaker 3: where the Patriots ran into problems in the first match

2075
01:38:38,400 --> 01:38:40,720
Speaker 3: of is every time they try to dial up a

2076
01:38:40,760 --> 01:38:42,840
Speaker 3: coverage beater to go down the field a little bit,

2077
01:38:43,280 --> 01:38:45,360
Speaker 3: they couldn't block it. So then they had to go

2078
01:38:45,439 --> 01:38:47,679
Speaker 3: to the quick game. When we went to the quick game,

2079
01:38:48,040 --> 01:38:51,280
Speaker 3: they didn't really average. You know, it was all five

2080
01:38:51,360 --> 01:38:53,479
Speaker 3: yard throws, like he was throwing the ball four or

2081
01:38:53,479 --> 01:38:56,040
Speaker 3: five yards at pop. And that's a difficult way to

2082
01:38:56,080 --> 01:38:58,680
Speaker 3: live is to go down the field like that consistently.

2083
01:38:59,160 --> 01:39:03,439
Speaker 3: So in general, I think when you play against Fangio,

2084
01:39:04,200 --> 01:39:06,360
Speaker 3: you have two choices. Either you try to hit the

2085
01:39:06,360 --> 01:39:08,200
Speaker 3: shot plays down the field that are going to take

2086
01:39:08,240 --> 01:39:11,559
Speaker 3: longer to develop, or they can continue to do what

2087
01:39:11,600 --> 01:39:14,200
Speaker 3: they kept that what they've been doing, and try to

2088
01:39:14,200 --> 01:39:16,679
Speaker 3: open up the underneath part of the zone and try

2089
01:39:16,680 --> 01:39:19,559
Speaker 3: to throw the ball that way. If Miami has health

2090
01:39:19,640 --> 01:39:22,120
Speaker 3: on their side at the cornerback positions, I do also

2091
01:39:22,120 --> 01:39:24,000
Speaker 3: think that they're gonna play some man to man in

2092
01:39:24,080 --> 01:39:26,320
Speaker 3: this game. You know, if they have Howard, if they

2093
01:39:26,320 --> 01:39:28,719
Speaker 3: have Ramsey, you know, I think that they will try

2094
01:39:29,160 --> 01:39:30,840
Speaker 3: to play some man, which they did in week two

2095
01:39:30,920 --> 01:39:34,200
Speaker 3: as well. So it's a it's a tough matchup because

2096
01:39:34,200 --> 01:39:37,080
Speaker 3: I think the biggest thing with Fangio, like I just mentioned,

2097
01:39:37,160 --> 01:39:40,800
Speaker 3: he wants you to go death by a thousand paper cuts,

2098
01:39:40,840 --> 01:39:42,320
Speaker 3: like he wants you to have to beat him by

2099
01:39:42,320 --> 01:39:45,040
Speaker 3: going ten to fifteen play drives. The other thing that

2100
01:39:45,080 --> 01:39:50,880
Speaker 3: he makes difficult is it's really hard to decipher the

2101
01:39:50,920 --> 01:39:54,479
Speaker 3: coverage pre snap. They're a really good disguised team. They

2102
01:39:54,520 --> 01:39:57,960
Speaker 3: play six cover six, but they can get to different

2103
01:39:58,000 --> 01:40:02,080
Speaker 3: things out of cover six really easily with post snap rotation.

2104
01:40:02,240 --> 01:40:04,800
Speaker 3: So you can play three, you can play man to man,

2105
01:40:05,040 --> 01:40:07,559
Speaker 3: and it all looks the same to the quarterback. So

2106
01:40:08,120 --> 01:40:11,000
Speaker 3: that's a difficult part about it. That's why everybody's obsessed

2107
01:40:11,040 --> 01:40:13,559
Speaker 3: with the system is because it takes away big plays

2108
01:40:13,960 --> 01:40:16,360
Speaker 3: and a mix the quarterback hold the football and read

2109
01:40:16,360 --> 01:40:19,080
Speaker 3: things out post nap. So if you're the Patriots, I

2110
01:40:19,360 --> 01:40:21,920
Speaker 3: think that this is a game where you do want

2111
01:40:21,960 --> 01:40:24,560
Speaker 3: to try to spread them out again and try to

2112
01:40:24,600 --> 01:40:26,880
Speaker 3: get the ball out of mac Jones's hands, and then

2113
01:40:26,920 --> 01:40:29,599
Speaker 3: the chess match comes into play of well, Fangio probably

2114
01:40:29,640 --> 01:40:31,320
Speaker 3: knows you're gonna try to do that, so how do

2115
01:40:31,360 --> 01:40:33,519
Speaker 3: you you know, how do you one up him in

2116
01:40:33,240 --> 01:40:35,920
Speaker 3: that phase of the game. The other thing with the

2117
01:40:36,000 --> 01:40:39,439
Speaker 3: run game. They changed up how they stopped the run

2118
01:40:39,439 --> 01:40:42,080
Speaker 3: a little bit. In week two. They started slanting the

2119
01:40:42,160 --> 01:40:44,439
Speaker 3: defensive line right, so you come in at like a

2120
01:40:44,479 --> 01:40:46,879
Speaker 3: forty five degree angle and you slant into the gaps.

2121
01:40:47,400 --> 01:40:50,280
Speaker 3: Typically they are one gap and a half defense, so

2122
01:40:50,320 --> 01:40:53,120
Speaker 3: they're gonna play the primary gap and they're gonna flow

2123
01:40:53,120 --> 01:40:56,679
Speaker 3: to the secondary gap. They went up the field against

2124
01:40:56,720 --> 01:40:59,599
Speaker 3: the Patriots last time. I think that took the Patriots

2125
01:40:59,600 --> 01:41:03,599
Speaker 3: by a little bit by surprise. But I'm curious to see,

2126
01:41:03,640 --> 01:41:06,280
Speaker 3: you know, how they go about building off of what

2127
01:41:06,320 --> 01:41:08,559
Speaker 3: they did last week. But then at the same time,

2128
01:41:09,160 --> 01:41:11,200
Speaker 3: you know, Fangio is going to watch that film and

2129
01:41:11,240 --> 01:41:13,760
Speaker 3: if you're predictable, he's gonna have answers for what you

2130
01:41:13,760 --> 01:41:17,360
Speaker 3: did against Buffalo. Right, So let's get into the calls.

2131
01:41:17,479 --> 01:41:22,600
Speaker 3: Uh Mark is in Connecticut? What's up? Mark going on?

2132
01:41:23,120 --> 01:41:26,040
Speaker 3: And Alex, Hey, how you doing that?

2133
01:41:26,160 --> 01:41:28,479
Speaker 11: Would do with Evan as always, but our guy Pop

2134
01:41:28,560 --> 01:41:31,880
Speaker 11: Douglas is popping as he should. But what I wanted

2135
01:41:31,880 --> 01:41:35,320
Speaker 11: to ask you guys is Devont Parker, Juju Smith, Schuster.

2136
01:41:35,760 --> 01:41:39,519
Speaker 11: They were They're irrelevant. Now can we trade them? Can

2137
01:41:39,600 --> 01:41:43,080
Speaker 11: we cut them without taking a big loss? Because I

2138
01:41:43,120 --> 01:41:45,880
Speaker 11: want to see I want to see more, uh you know,

2139
01:41:46,080 --> 01:41:50,520
Speaker 11: more of the young guys Taekwon, Thwarton, Kijon Boute, Bob Douglas.

2140
01:41:50,760 --> 01:41:53,000
Speaker 11: You know, we need to get those guys, Jalen Riger,

2141
01:41:53,000 --> 01:41:55,479
Speaker 11: We need to get those guys more involved and time

2142
01:41:55,520 --> 01:41:57,320
Speaker 11: to get rid of these two guys that are bumped.

2143
01:41:57,439 --> 01:41:58,679
Speaker 11: They just they don't do anything.

2144
01:41:58,800 --> 01:41:59,000
Speaker 5: It was.

2145
01:41:59,200 --> 01:42:01,479
Speaker 11: It was a bad sign. I think will Bill admit

2146
01:42:01,600 --> 01:42:02,800
Speaker 11: to being a bad time.

2147
01:42:03,439 --> 01:42:06,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a good call, and uh, we're with you.

2148
01:42:07,080 --> 01:42:10,439
Speaker 3: We're with you, And I will say, you know, DeVante

2149
01:42:10,439 --> 01:42:13,160
Speaker 3: Parker has his flaws, like we know that, and I

2150
01:42:13,240 --> 01:42:15,759
Speaker 3: we we we did that last week with the Raiders,

2151
01:42:15,760 --> 01:42:18,080
Speaker 3: Like the drop was horrible. I thought someone his route

2152
01:42:18,120 --> 01:42:21,280
Speaker 3: running and just effort in that game was horrible. And

2153
01:42:21,320 --> 01:42:24,080
Speaker 3: the coaches agreed he only played seventeen or ran seventeen routes.

2154
01:42:24,080 --> 01:42:27,280
Speaker 3: I forget the exact snap. Yeah, he didn't play as much. Right,

2155
01:42:27,520 --> 01:42:29,720
Speaker 3: so they saw it. They they recognize it and they

2156
01:42:29,760 --> 01:42:32,639
Speaker 3: saw it. But I do think that with his body type,

2157
01:42:32,920 --> 01:42:34,760
Speaker 3: like you kind of said, you know earlier about the

2158
01:42:34,760 --> 01:42:37,720
Speaker 3: red zone and like goal line packages and things like that.

2159
01:42:38,160 --> 01:42:40,800
Speaker 3: I also think that on like inbreakers like slants, like

2160
01:42:41,080 --> 01:42:43,519
Speaker 3: having a bigger frame, like, yeah, he can. He can

2161
01:42:43,760 --> 01:42:46,759
Speaker 3: help in those regards, and you don't necessarily have another

2162
01:42:46,840 --> 01:42:50,639
Speaker 3: big bodied outside body type like that next a true

2163
01:42:50,680 --> 01:42:54,679
Speaker 3: traditional extent unless're gonna start puting. Yeah, so I think

2164
01:42:54,680 --> 01:42:57,000
Speaker 3: that he has a role. Is it should it be

2165
01:42:57,080 --> 01:42:59,840
Speaker 3: reduced one hundred and ten percent? But I think Parker

2166
01:42:59,840 --> 01:43:02,880
Speaker 3: has as a role. Yeah, I don't see Juju's role.

2167
01:43:03,479 --> 01:43:05,920
Speaker 4: He got he got Remember how we were talking all

2168
01:43:05,960 --> 01:43:08,920
Speaker 4: summer rebellus to Mario Douglas going to catch tack on Thornton. Yeah,

2169
01:43:08,960 --> 01:43:11,760
Speaker 4: not only did you that he got Juju, he got

2170
01:43:11,840 --> 01:43:14,800
Speaker 4: Wally Pipped a little bit, he got Wally. Bill brought

2171
01:43:14,880 --> 01:43:16,400
Speaker 4: up Wally Pip yesterday.

2172
01:43:16,000 --> 01:43:20,960
Speaker 3: Who did h Yeah that works too, I guess.

2173
01:43:21,120 --> 01:43:23,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, Bill loves him to Wally Pipe.

2174
01:43:23,800 --> 01:43:25,960
Speaker 3: He knew what he was. He That was one of

2175
01:43:25,960 --> 01:43:29,240
Speaker 3: his better jokes. Like sometimes like people last Bill's jokes

2176
01:43:29,240 --> 01:43:31,920
Speaker 3: because because it's Bill. But that was a good one.

2177
01:43:32,000 --> 01:43:35,200
Speaker 3: Like he was Wes, he was Wes welkering it, I

2178
01:43:35,280 --> 01:43:35,880
Speaker 3: know what he know?

2179
01:43:36,120 --> 01:43:38,759
Speaker 4: Did he's joking when he said it to Welker though.

2180
01:43:38,880 --> 01:43:39,800
Speaker 3: No, I think he meant that.

2181
01:43:39,960 --> 01:43:42,360
Speaker 4: No, he was no way to compete Welker, and he

2182
01:43:42,600 --> 01:43:48,120
Speaker 4: never saw him again. I yeah, I think with juju, like,

2183
01:43:48,920 --> 01:43:51,320
Speaker 4: so you can't. I got to pull up the exact

2184
01:43:51,320 --> 01:43:54,519
Speaker 4: details contract, going to get past. Cap is going to

2185
01:43:54,560 --> 01:43:57,599
Speaker 4: get mad at me, rightfully, rightfully, he can't cut them.

2186
01:43:57,800 --> 01:44:02,000
Speaker 4: People got to get this information right. So it is,

2187
01:44:02,120 --> 01:44:03,920
Speaker 4: I know. But to make the rest of my take, yeah,

2188
01:44:03,960 --> 01:44:06,479
Speaker 4: so there's I mean, it's you lose a leg. It's

2189
01:44:06,560 --> 01:44:08,840
Speaker 4: not even like there's minimal cap savings. You lose eleven

2190
01:44:08,840 --> 01:44:09,960
Speaker 4: million dollars in cap space.

2191
01:44:09,760 --> 01:44:12,280
Speaker 3: If you come this year. Okay, definitely can't cut him

2192
01:44:12,280 --> 01:44:12,639
Speaker 3: this year.

2193
01:44:14,320 --> 01:44:19,280
Speaker 4: Starting next year, if you trade, you can't cut him. No,

2194
01:44:20,080 --> 01:44:23,760
Speaker 4: if you trade him, the money gets split about fifty

2195
01:44:23,760 --> 01:44:25,920
Speaker 4: to fifty. It's five million ish in dead cap. Five

2196
01:44:25,960 --> 01:44:27,440
Speaker 4: million is in savings.

2197
01:44:27,040 --> 01:44:29,320
Speaker 3: Which for a team that has one hundred million dollars

2198
01:44:29,360 --> 01:44:31,360
Speaker 3: in cap space next offseason, you can eat it.

2199
01:44:31,439 --> 01:44:31,559
Speaker 9: Well.

2200
01:44:31,600 --> 01:44:35,000
Speaker 4: The other thing I would say is like, so in

2201
01:44:35,040 --> 01:44:38,519
Speaker 4: the past, like you couldn't make that trade. Yeah, if

2202
01:44:38,520 --> 01:44:40,760
Speaker 4: they could trade. John new Smith said yes, So that

2203
01:44:40,880 --> 01:44:42,880
Speaker 4: that's where I'm at. Like I used to I used

2204
01:44:42,880 --> 01:44:45,160
Speaker 4: to be in this in this camp, and everything you

2205
01:44:45,200 --> 01:44:48,639
Speaker 4: said about Parker this year is correct. I think this offseason,

2206
01:44:48,680 --> 01:44:50,040
Speaker 4: when you may have a chance to bring in another

2207
01:44:50,040 --> 01:44:52,479
Speaker 4: big body wide receiver. This changes in the past. I

2208
01:44:52,479 --> 01:44:55,240
Speaker 4: would say, you're stuck with these guys. If they can

2209
01:44:55,280 --> 01:44:58,920
Speaker 4: trade John new Smith for a seventh round pick, maybe

2210
01:44:58,960 --> 01:45:02,200
Speaker 4: there's if they look it helps them too, that John

2211
01:45:02,240 --> 01:45:06,000
Speaker 4: who's been good in Atlanta this year, Maybe Carl falcons again.

2212
01:45:06,080 --> 01:45:08,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, or maybe just you know, point to and say, hey,

2213
01:45:08,720 --> 01:45:10,720
Speaker 3: it wasn't a scheme fit for us here, right, Like

2214
01:45:10,760 --> 01:45:12,880
Speaker 3: you know with Johnny Smith, he goes back to Arthur

2215
01:45:12,920 --> 01:45:15,599
Speaker 3: Smith and Atlanta and he's having a decent year. So

2216
01:45:15,760 --> 01:45:18,040
Speaker 3: maybe Juju goes back to Kansas City.

2217
01:45:18,120 --> 01:45:20,280
Speaker 4: So that's that That would be my first call. Yeah,

2218
01:45:20,400 --> 01:45:23,160
Speaker 4: it would be the Kansas City Chiefs. Yeah, but like

2219
01:45:23,320 --> 01:45:26,000
Speaker 4: that you have you can't cut them. You can't Parker

2220
01:45:26,120 --> 01:45:27,800
Speaker 4: or Juju, so you can't cut them.

2221
01:45:27,880 --> 01:45:30,360
Speaker 3: Juju essentially signed a two year deal, right Like it's

2222
01:45:30,360 --> 01:45:35,479
Speaker 3: two years essentially fully guaranteed, and the third year I

2223
01:45:35,479 --> 01:45:36,120
Speaker 3: think there.

2224
01:45:36,200 --> 01:45:37,080
Speaker 4: Is two point six.

2225
01:45:37,160 --> 01:45:38,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a way to wiggle out of the third

2226
01:45:38,960 --> 01:45:39,840
Speaker 3: year of the contract.

2227
01:45:39,880 --> 01:45:41,559
Speaker 4: Mostly there's still some tad money.

2228
01:45:41,640 --> 01:45:44,080
Speaker 3: So that way, when you look at that, like if

2229
01:45:44,080 --> 01:45:46,840
Speaker 3: a team like Kansas City acquires him, for example, next

2230
01:45:46,840 --> 01:45:49,639
Speaker 3: off season in a trade takes him off the Patriots hands.

2231
01:45:50,520 --> 01:45:52,600
Speaker 3: They could get one good year out of Juju like

2232
01:45:52,640 --> 01:45:54,439
Speaker 3: they did in the Super Bowl year last year, and

2233
01:45:54,439 --> 01:45:56,760
Speaker 3: then they could probably walk away from him too after

2234
01:45:56,800 --> 01:45:59,800
Speaker 3: twenty twenty four. So that could be appealing and not

2235
01:46:00,800 --> 01:46:03,080
Speaker 3: for a team that knows that he's had success there already.

2236
01:46:03,360 --> 01:46:05,960
Speaker 3: Now that's a very unique situation, just like the Falcons

2237
01:46:05,960 --> 01:46:08,160
Speaker 3: were a very unique situation with John Ay because John

2238
01:46:08,160 --> 01:46:10,240
Speaker 3: Who's best year in the NFL is with Arthur Smith

2239
01:46:10,280 --> 01:46:13,920
Speaker 3: as his offensive coordinator in Tennessee. So it's a similar thing.

2240
01:46:14,920 --> 01:46:18,800
Speaker 3: I The bigger question that I have, and I get why,

2241
01:46:18,920 --> 01:46:21,839
Speaker 3: you know, Mark brings up the future with those two players.

2242
01:46:23,000 --> 01:46:25,080
Speaker 3: The bigger question that I have is the here and now,

2243
01:46:25,520 --> 01:46:29,800
Speaker 3: Like are the Patriots going to do right by the

2244
01:46:29,920 --> 01:46:34,280
Speaker 3: twenty twenty three team and not force Juju back into

2245
01:46:34,280 --> 01:46:39,599
Speaker 3: the lineup now that he's healthy, Because I it wouldn't

2246
01:46:39,640 --> 01:46:42,320
Speaker 3: shock me either way. It wouldn't shock me if you know,

2247
01:46:42,640 --> 01:46:45,000
Speaker 3: they get out in Miami and like there, you know,

2248
01:46:45,040 --> 01:46:47,000
Speaker 3: he runs off the sideline and he's one of the

2249
01:46:47,360 --> 01:46:49,760
Speaker 3: right back in the mix. It also wouldn't shock me

2250
01:46:49,800 --> 01:46:51,960
Speaker 3: if if they recognize that, hey, we got to roll

2251
01:46:52,000 --> 01:46:54,200
Speaker 3: with you know what worked against Buffalo, and this is

2252
01:46:54,200 --> 01:46:58,360
Speaker 3: what we're sticking with. But like I said earlier, it's

2253
01:46:58,479 --> 01:47:01,360
Speaker 3: it's not easy to walk away from that investment, like

2254
01:47:01,400 --> 01:47:03,280
Speaker 3: you gave this guy fifteen.

2255
01:47:03,360 --> 01:47:06,200
Speaker 4: But that's what the that's always been a core tenant

2256
01:47:06,360 --> 01:47:08,000
Speaker 4: of Belichick, or for a long time was a core

2257
01:47:08,040 --> 01:47:11,160
Speaker 4: tenant of Belichick, was it doesn't matter if you're the

2258
01:47:11,160 --> 01:47:12,800
Speaker 4: first round pick, the seventh round pick, doesn't matter, if

2259
01:47:12,800 --> 01:47:14,519
Speaker 4: you're on a ten million dollar contract, doesn't matter if

2260
01:47:14,520 --> 01:47:16,839
Speaker 4: you're on an eight hundred and fifty thousand dollars contract. Yeah,

2261
01:47:16,920 --> 01:47:19,439
Speaker 4: we're gonna play the players. We're gonna play the best players,

2262
01:47:19,479 --> 01:47:23,439
Speaker 4: and it's hard to argue right now that Juju from

2263
01:47:23,439 --> 01:47:26,400
Speaker 4: the Shooter is one of the best players. I also think,

2264
01:47:26,560 --> 01:47:28,400
Speaker 4: just like I know, he hasn't been on the injury report,

2265
01:47:28,439 --> 01:47:31,080
Speaker 4: but his knee doesn't look right. Yeah, maybe some time

2266
01:47:31,120 --> 01:47:31,800
Speaker 4: off helps him.

2267
01:47:32,160 --> 01:47:38,439
Speaker 3: I was I was seriously wondering, especially because Jalen Rager

2268
01:47:38,439 --> 01:47:40,760
Speaker 3: has now come on a little bit. Kishon Booty has

2269
01:47:40,800 --> 01:47:44,200
Speaker 3: come on a little bit. You know, excuse me, Ragers

2270
01:47:44,240 --> 01:47:46,960
Speaker 3: come on and you have Kishon Booty. Booty's doing that thing,

2271
01:47:47,520 --> 01:47:51,519
Speaker 3: and you have Kishon Boody. You know, I actually thought

2272
01:47:51,520 --> 01:47:54,200
Speaker 3: when he got the concussion that ir was was maybe

2273
01:47:54,200 --> 01:47:56,880
Speaker 3: a consideration. I thought so too, like just a it's

2274
01:47:56,920 --> 01:47:59,200
Speaker 3: more just a reset, right, like of you know, let's

2275
01:47:59,240 --> 01:48:02,320
Speaker 3: get you ten percent, maybe get your knee into a

2276
01:48:02,360 --> 01:48:05,759
Speaker 3: better spot, and then let's revisit where we are health wise,

2277
01:48:05,760 --> 01:48:07,880
Speaker 3: where we are in terms of contention and all that

2278
01:48:07,960 --> 01:48:11,599
Speaker 3: kind of stuff four years or four weeks away, and

2279
01:48:11,640 --> 01:48:13,559
Speaker 3: they didn't do that. You know, he's he's back out

2280
01:48:13,560 --> 01:48:15,960
Speaker 3: at practice, he wasn't on the injury report yesterday. He's

2281
01:48:16,000 --> 01:48:18,559
Speaker 3: ready to go, he's healthy, he can play in the

2282
01:48:18,600 --> 01:48:21,519
Speaker 3: game on Sunday. I'm really fascinated to see how they

2283
01:48:21,560 --> 01:48:24,320
Speaker 3: approach that. And they have seven wide receivers I think

2284
01:48:24,400 --> 01:48:27,680
Speaker 3: now on the fifty three with Rager, and then they

2285
01:48:27,680 --> 01:48:30,679
Speaker 3: have Time Montgomery too, you know, so it's like seven

2286
01:48:30,720 --> 01:48:31,040
Speaker 3: and a half.

2287
01:48:31,160 --> 01:48:33,519
Speaker 4: They won't play Tom Montgomery. They've made that blatantly clear.

2288
01:48:34,120 --> 01:48:35,800
Speaker 3: So it's a it's gonna be interesting to see where

2289
01:48:35,840 --> 01:48:37,960
Speaker 3: they go from here at that position in terms of

2290
01:48:37,960 --> 01:48:39,760
Speaker 3: snaps and things like that. Do I think that either

2291
01:48:39,800 --> 01:48:42,479
Speaker 3: one of those guys can be moved by the deadline. No,

2292
01:48:42,720 --> 01:48:47,080
Speaker 3: I don't think anybody's taken. Maybe Parker like, I think

2293
01:48:47,120 --> 01:48:52,600
Speaker 3: Parker's had enough okay film that you could talk a

2294
01:48:52,680 --> 01:48:56,759
Speaker 3: team into that needs. You know, an outside receiver. Juju

2295
01:48:56,800 --> 01:48:59,519
Speaker 3: is not tradable at the moment, you know, just not tradable.

2296
01:48:59,520 --> 01:49:01,200
Speaker 3: He's been one of the worst receivers in the league.

2297
01:49:02,320 --> 01:49:05,559
Speaker 3: Anything else, You got some key matchups for us? Got

2298
01:49:05,560 --> 01:49:09,639
Speaker 3: some key Yeah, he talked. We touched on them, most.

2299
01:49:09,479 --> 01:49:11,400
Speaker 4: Of we I think we touched on most of them.

2300
01:49:11,400 --> 01:49:13,720
Speaker 4: I mean the big thing for me is tackling bar

2301
01:49:13,800 --> 01:49:18,320
Speaker 4: More versus the backup interior offensive line. Ye, all right, yeah,

2302
01:49:18,320 --> 01:49:22,280
Speaker 4: I got one more. You'll love this. The Patriots gave

2303
01:49:22,320 --> 01:49:27,000
Speaker 4: the Dolphins a little something special in that Week two game,

2304
01:49:27,080 --> 01:49:30,600
Speaker 4: right with the field goal block. It wouldn't surprise me

2305
01:49:32,320 --> 01:49:34,080
Speaker 4: if the Dolphins come back with a little something for

2306
01:49:34,120 --> 01:49:38,120
Speaker 4: the Patriots. If Danny Crossman, and maybe it's not on

2307
01:49:38,160 --> 01:49:41,240
Speaker 4: the field goal, maybe it's something, but they pants Danny

2308
01:49:41,240 --> 01:49:43,080
Speaker 4: Crossman's unite, they pants them.

2309
01:49:43,240 --> 01:49:45,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, does he pants them back?

2310
01:49:45,520 --> 01:49:47,240
Speaker 4: Right? Does he try? Maybe it's on a punt, maybe

2311
01:49:47,240 --> 01:49:49,200
Speaker 4: it's on a gick return, but the blood whatever. I

2312
01:49:49,200 --> 01:49:52,920
Speaker 4: would just be very vigilant as Patriots special teams this week.

2313
01:49:53,080 --> 01:49:55,920
Speaker 4: You gotta expect the unexpected because and then I guess

2314
01:49:55,920 --> 01:49:58,840
Speaker 4: building off of that, they're obviously going to be ready

2315
01:49:58,880 --> 01:50:00,840
Speaker 4: for the Patriots. They know that Jake Bailey is the

2316
01:50:00,920 --> 01:50:04,559
Speaker 4: tell right did the patriotsack? Are they going to build

2317
01:50:04,600 --> 01:50:07,640
Speaker 4: off of that Schooler play? So last week on the

2318
01:50:07,640 --> 01:50:09,559
Speaker 4: missfield goal, I don't know how much it impacted it,

2319
01:50:09,560 --> 01:50:10,160
Speaker 4: if at all, but.

2320
01:50:10,479 --> 01:50:13,560
Speaker 3: Miles Bryant was running, Yeah, Miles Bryant was running.

2321
01:50:13,280 --> 01:50:14,880
Speaker 4: Like like Schooler was on that play.

2322
01:50:14,960 --> 01:50:19,639
Speaker 3: So well, I think it does because we have watched

2323
01:50:19,640 --> 01:50:22,240
Speaker 3: two kickers, because didn't they get the kicker again on

2324
01:50:22,280 --> 01:50:24,080
Speaker 3: it or was it a different game?

2325
01:50:24,240 --> 01:50:26,320
Speaker 4: No, it was that it was that game they got

2326
01:50:26,400 --> 01:50:29,080
Speaker 4: him again because he didn't block it. But like he

2327
01:50:29,320 --> 01:50:33,240
Speaker 4: pushed it right, Sanders, he's staring down Schoolers, he's running again.

2328
01:50:33,439 --> 01:50:35,600
Speaker 3: He pushed it left right. Explorer was coming from the

2329
01:50:35,640 --> 01:50:37,519
Speaker 3: right and he pushed it left. So I think it's

2330
01:50:37,560 --> 01:50:39,800
Speaker 3: a factor. I think it's a factor whether he boxed

2331
01:50:39,800 --> 01:50:42,080
Speaker 3: it or not. I do you know, kickers are so

2332
01:50:42,640 --> 01:50:45,439
Speaker 3: you know better than me. Kickers are so finicky, right like,

2333
01:50:45,479 --> 01:50:48,559
Speaker 3: and when guys are doing weird stuff like it just

2334
01:50:48,640 --> 01:50:51,200
Speaker 3: kind of comes out of nowhere. Last well, you know,

2335
01:50:51,320 --> 01:50:55,000
Speaker 3: I'm excited to see assuming he's healthy, Jonathan Jones the stopper,

2336
01:50:55,080 --> 01:50:58,040
Speaker 3: the Tyree kill stopper, assuming well the Tyre Kills not well,

2337
01:50:58,080 --> 01:51:01,599
Speaker 3: maybe the Bultpip playing. But last one here for key

2338
01:51:01,640 --> 01:51:03,439
Speaker 3: matches because you mentioned Barmore, which I think is a

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01:51:03,479 --> 01:51:06,760
Speaker 3: huge one. Again it's lester cotton, like Barmore should take

2340
01:51:06,840 --> 01:51:09,880
Speaker 3: lesser cotton behind the woodshed and eat him for lunch,

2341
01:51:09,960 --> 01:51:12,280
Speaker 3: right like that that should be what that is the

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01:51:12,360 --> 01:51:16,880
Speaker 3: last one here City Sow versus Christian Wilkins that this

2343
01:51:16,960 --> 01:51:20,439
Speaker 3: is so last time around, hopefully with the last time

2344
01:51:20,439 --> 01:51:22,280
Speaker 3: in Week two. It was the edge pressure because of

2345
01:51:22,320 --> 01:51:25,280
Speaker 3: the tackle situation, assuming the Patriots have Trent Brown and

2346
01:51:25,320 --> 01:51:27,800
Speaker 3: Mike on Winu out at tackle, I'm a little less

2347
01:51:27,840 --> 01:51:31,439
Speaker 3: concerned about the tackle, you know, the edge pressure from

2348
01:51:31,479 --> 01:51:34,200
Speaker 3: Bradley Chubb, and I think Jalen Phillips is gonna be

2349
01:51:34,240 --> 01:51:37,280
Speaker 3: one of the few Dolphins you know, marquee players it's

2350
01:51:37,280 --> 01:51:40,000
Speaker 3: actually gonna play in this game are Bradley Chubb and

2351
01:51:40,040 --> 01:51:43,280
Speaker 3: Jalen Phillips. But Wilkins Lisa Rine up line up over

2352
01:51:43,320 --> 01:51:46,120
Speaker 3: the right side like he's he likes to play either

2353
01:51:46,160 --> 01:51:48,679
Speaker 3: the one or the three on over the right guard,

2354
01:51:48,760 --> 01:51:51,160
Speaker 3: like I think it's seventy five percent of his snaps

2355
01:51:51,200 --> 01:51:54,439
Speaker 3: or something like that, or are to the defense's left,

2356
01:51:54,479 --> 01:51:57,160
Speaker 3: the offense is right. So he's one of those guys

2357
01:51:57,160 --> 01:52:00,919
Speaker 3: that has a spot that he typically favors, and that's

2358
01:52:00,960 --> 01:52:05,640
Speaker 3: gonna be City So. And I think City So PFF,

2359
01:52:05,880 --> 01:52:09,559
Speaker 3: like we all have our you know, ups and downs.

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01:52:09,560 --> 01:52:12,120
Speaker 3: I think with PFF grades and things like that, I

2361
01:52:12,120 --> 01:52:14,800
Speaker 3: thought they were overly generous to City So in their

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01:52:14,840 --> 01:52:16,000
Speaker 3: grading last week.

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01:52:16,960 --> 01:52:18,280
Speaker 4: He was fine.

2364
01:52:19,080 --> 01:52:21,280
Speaker 3: He was fine, But like saying he was one of

2365
01:52:21,360 --> 01:52:25,960
Speaker 3: the best offensive lineman in the NFL.

2366
01:52:25,640 --> 01:52:28,519
Speaker 4: Highest grade any rookie lineman has gotten in a game

2367
01:52:28,560 --> 01:52:32,000
Speaker 4: this season, something like that, there was something that attached

2368
01:52:32,080 --> 01:52:32,920
Speaker 4: that's bogus.

2369
01:52:33,040 --> 01:52:34,520
Speaker 3: Let's face it, that's bogus.

2370
01:52:34,640 --> 01:52:36,639
Speaker 4: So save those for next year.

2371
01:52:36,760 --> 01:52:40,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I think that that's still a mismatch for

2372
01:52:40,400 --> 01:52:42,640
Speaker 3: the Patriots in terms of that right guard spot. Now,

2373
01:52:42,720 --> 01:52:45,800
Speaker 3: David Andrews and I know a Belichick with Mac Jones

2374
01:52:45,840 --> 01:52:48,000
Speaker 3: both talked about this a little bit yesterday. He definitely

2375
01:52:48,080 --> 01:52:50,200
Speaker 3: deserves a ton of credit for the fact that he's

2376
01:52:50,240 --> 01:52:50,759
Speaker 3: been helping.

2377
01:52:51,160 --> 01:52:53,360
Speaker 4: Both deserves a ton of credit for a lot of things.

2378
01:52:53,360 --> 01:52:56,479
Speaker 3: Frankly, both guards like both because, like, let's face it,

2379
01:52:56,560 --> 01:52:59,280
Speaker 3: Cole Strange is a he still hasn't played a ton

2380
01:52:59,280 --> 01:53:01,439
Speaker 3: of football because he's and hurt and everything like that,

2381
01:53:01,920 --> 01:53:03,800
Speaker 3: but be you know, he still needs some help too.

2382
01:53:04,320 --> 01:53:06,360
Speaker 3: I think that, you know, I would love and this

2383
01:53:06,400 --> 01:53:09,320
Speaker 3: is never gonna happen, but I would love to hear

2384
01:53:09,920 --> 01:53:12,920
Speaker 3: like not even you know Belichick mentioned yesterday, it's not

2385
01:53:13,200 --> 01:53:16,920
Speaker 3: just like helping set the protections and help post snap,

2386
01:53:17,040 --> 01:53:19,360
Speaker 3: like picking up stunts, and it's also like the little

2387
01:53:19,439 --> 01:53:24,120
Speaker 3: reminders pre snap right, Like it's like, hey, like don't

2388
01:53:24,120 --> 01:53:27,200
Speaker 3: forget about this, right, or don't be fooled by that,

2389
01:53:27,520 --> 01:53:30,519
Speaker 3: or you know when you your footwork, like the last

2390
01:53:30,560 --> 01:53:32,200
Speaker 3: one was a little like this, like we need it

2391
01:53:32,200 --> 01:53:33,760
Speaker 3: more a little like that, you know what I mean?

2392
01:53:33,800 --> 01:53:36,280
Speaker 3: And like these little things that he's just tips and

2393
01:53:36,439 --> 01:53:38,840
Speaker 3: reminders and things like that that he's giving those guys.

2394
01:53:39,120 --> 01:53:42,559
Speaker 3: I am sure, David Andrews, if you could like get

2395
01:53:42,560 --> 01:53:47,160
Speaker 3: an audio of he probably has like a freaking essay

2396
01:53:47,280 --> 01:53:49,960
Speaker 3: worth of words in a game, right of just little

2397
01:53:50,000 --> 01:53:52,880
Speaker 3: tips and reminders and little you know, watch for this

2398
01:53:52,960 --> 01:53:55,519
Speaker 3: is watch for that. And I think that that's going

2399
01:53:55,520 --> 01:53:59,360
Speaker 3: on left and right for both guards honestly on a

2400
01:53:59,360 --> 01:54:03,040
Speaker 3: game to game all right, we're gonna wrap. We got

2401
01:54:03,120 --> 01:54:06,320
Speaker 3: unfiltered starting out at noon, so just hang around here

2402
01:54:06,360 --> 01:54:08,760
Speaker 3: for a couple of minutes. Oh, I think we got

2403
01:54:08,960 --> 01:54:11,400
Speaker 3: we got boss Man back. I think Bossman's back from

2404
01:54:11,880 --> 01:54:14,720
Speaker 3: jury duty, so that's good. And Deuce and Paul and

2405
01:54:14,920 --> 01:54:16,800
Speaker 3: are ready to go, and they're chopping at the bit

2406
01:54:16,880 --> 01:54:19,479
Speaker 3: to get in here. So that's good. And we'll see

2407
01:54:19,520 --> 01:54:22,080
Speaker 3: you guys. This is probably gonna be our time, probably,

2408
01:54:22,160 --> 01:54:25,040
Speaker 3: so ten am is probably gonna be our time moving forward.

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01:54:25,479 --> 01:54:27,240
Speaker 3: So we'll see you guys next week. Thanks for listening, but.

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