WEBVTT - S1: E8 – The Toy Box Killer, Part 3

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<v Speaker 1>I was David Parker Ray's second lawyer. I stepped in

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<v Speaker 1>after the first trial in two thousand. I spent dozens

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<v Speaker 1>or hundreds of hours with David Parker Ray. What I

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<v Speaker 1>expected was somebody that was visibly evil. What I got

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<v Speaker 1>was a guy that if you met him in a bar,

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<v Speaker 1>you'd have a beer with him and maybe go fishing

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<v Speaker 1>with him. I think the fact that he was so

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<v Speaker 1>amiable makes the whole thing scarier.

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<v Speaker 2>My name is Slung Glass and this is the conclusion

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<v Speaker 2>of The Toy Box Killer on American Homicide And just

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<v Speaker 2>a quick note that this episode contained some graphic and

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<v Speaker 2>disturbing content. Please take care while listening. The case of

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<v Speaker 2>David Parker Ray caught the attention of the world after

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<v Speaker 2>one of his victims escaped from his torture chamber known

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<v Speaker 2>as the Toy Box. His toy box was a soundproof

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<v Speaker 2>trailer attached to his home in the middle of the

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<v Speaker 2>New Mexico Desert. It's the place where three women accused

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<v Speaker 2>David Parker Ray of kidnapping, torturing, and sexually assaulting them.

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<v Speaker 2>After his arrest, David Parker Ray faced three separate trials,

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<v Speaker 2>one for each victim, but prosecutors in the first trial

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't secure a conviction.

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<v Speaker 3>There was a mistrial, they had a hung jury.

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<v Speaker 2>Lee McMillan was David Parker Ray's lawyer and represented him

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<v Speaker 2>in the retrial.

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<v Speaker 1>Was one of the best behaved criminal clients I'd ever had.

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<v Speaker 1>He never criticized, He never complained, you never whined.

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<v Speaker 2>We heard in earlier episodes how locals described David Parker

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<v Speaker 2>Ray as charming, polite, and even helpful. But the likable

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<v Speaker 2>mechanic from Elephant Bute, New Mexico had some dark secrets.

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<v Speaker 2>The FBI believed he could be responsible for the murders

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<v Speaker 2>of more than forty five people, that would make him

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<v Speaker 2>one of the most prolific killers in American history, but

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<v Speaker 2>they never charged him.

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<v Speaker 1>It was difficult to convict David Parker Ray of murder

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<v Speaker 1>because they didn't have any corpses.

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<v Speaker 2>Without anybodies, prosecutors charged Parker Ray with what they could

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<v Speaker 2>get him on, kidnapping, torturing, and sexually assaulting three women.

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<v Speaker 1>David Parker Ray was a man who believed himself to

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<v Speaker 1>be Satan himself, or at least a demonic presence on earth.

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<v Speaker 1>To advance the Satanic agenda, he makes that very clear

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<v Speaker 1>in the orientation tape that he played for his victims,

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<v Speaker 1>and in the sketches that he made of the procedures

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<v Speaker 1>that he performed in his den, which he called Satan's Den.

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<v Speaker 2>You may remember that he tied up his victims and

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<v Speaker 2>then played a recording of him methodically listing off all

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<v Speaker 2>the sick and disgusting things he intended to do to them.

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<v Speaker 3>I have no idea how to defend somebody like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Nevertheless, this was the job Lee McMillan had to do.

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<v Speaker 2>Each case against David Parker Ray was tried separately. The

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<v Speaker 2>first trial was for crimes against Kelly Garrett, who was

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<v Speaker 2>kidnapped by David's daughter, Jesse Ray in nineteen ninety six.

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<v Speaker 1>Kelly Garrett, who was uncovered by one of the pictures

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<v Speaker 1>that the FBI took and the toy box showed a

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<v Speaker 1>victim with a tattoo on her lower leg, and they

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<v Speaker 1>identified her through that tattoo.

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<v Speaker 2>Kelly's exit in laws saw a picture of her tattoo

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<v Speaker 2>on the news and immediately phoned the FBI to identify

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<v Speaker 2>their ex daughter in law. They remembered how three years

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<v Speaker 2>earlier Kelly turned up disoriented but having no memory of

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<v Speaker 2>where she had been over the course of a weekend.

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<v Speaker 2>At the time, they all assumed Kelly was out partying

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<v Speaker 2>and messing around with another man.

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<v Speaker 3>I thank you for Kelly Garrett.

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<v Speaker 1>She has gone through some stuff and went to the bars,

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<v Speaker 1>and I believe that's how she came into contact with

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<v Speaker 1>Jesse Ray and David Ray.

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<v Speaker 2>But the reality is that Kelly was kidnapped and drugged,

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<v Speaker 2>which destroyed her memory from that weekend. So Kelly never

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<v Speaker 2>told the police about what happened. It was the FBI

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<v Speaker 2>who approached her. A fact David Parker Ray's defense team

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<v Speaker 2>jumped on.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, normally you would go after that witness and ask

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<v Speaker 1>him why they never came forward and ask him why

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<v Speaker 1>they didn't participate in the prosecution until they were found.

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<v Speaker 1>Considering that the case was all over the news, why

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<v Speaker 1>didn't you pick up the phone and call somebody?

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<v Speaker 2>Questioning Kelly Garrett's credibility was one part of the defense.

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<v Speaker 2>The other was to argue what the jury saw on

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<v Speaker 2>the tapes happening between David Parker Ray and Kelly Garrett

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<v Speaker 2>was consensual. When the trial kicked off in the spring

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<v Speaker 2>of two thousand and one, it featured a new judge

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<v Speaker 2>named Kevin Swayzee. He replaced the original judge after he

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<v Speaker 2>died of a heart attack just hours after warning some

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<v Speaker 2>jail guards to leave David Parker Ray alone. Judge Sweezey

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<v Speaker 2>was a rancher who spent his weekend steer roping, meaning

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<v Speaker 2>he'd ride a horse while trying to lasso a bull.

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<v Speaker 2>But now he traded his jeans and flannel shirt furrow

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<v Speaker 2>rope as he presided over one of the biggest trials

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<v Speaker 2>in the country. In order to find an impartial jury,

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<v Speaker 2>the case was moved to Estancia, New Mexico, known for

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<v Speaker 2>their annual pumpkin chunkin event where custombo machines launched pumpkins

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<v Speaker 2>into the air. The tiny farming and ranching community sits

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<v Speaker 2>just outside Albuquerque. As you can imagine, hearing a case

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<v Speaker 2>about bondage and S and M was something foreign to

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<v Speaker 2>the locals.

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<v Speaker 1>And to that end, I actually hired an expert witness

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<v Speaker 1>who is a local dominatrix, to explain that concept to

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<v Speaker 1>what turned out to be a jury of farmers and ranchers.

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<v Speaker 2>That dominatrix, by the way, was the only witness that

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<v Speaker 2>the defense would call. Instead, the defense would chip away

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<v Speaker 2>at the credibility of the prosecution's witnesses, and once again,

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<v Speaker 2>one of the witnesses was the victim, Kelly Garrett.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, the normal situation in a sexual assault trial for

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<v Speaker 1>a defense lawyer is to find fault with the victim

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<v Speaker 1>as much as possible.

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<v Speaker 2>Unlike the first trial, when prosecutors called a string of

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<v Speaker 2>law enforcement and FBI investigators to testify, prosecutors immediately put

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<v Speaker 2>Kelly Garrett on the witness stand once again. Kelly shared

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<v Speaker 2>her painful memories of what happened in David Parker raised

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<v Speaker 2>toy box. She explained that David Parker raised daughter Jesse Ray,

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<v Speaker 2>a former friend, offered her a ride home, but instead

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<v Speaker 2>took Kelly to her father's torture chamber. That's where he

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<v Speaker 2>physically and sexually abused her over the course of that

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<v Speaker 2>July nineteen ninety six weekend. The jurors, comprised mostly of farmers,

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<v Speaker 2>sat frozen in their seats as Kelly recounted the chilling

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<v Speaker 2>details from the toy box. The shock on the jurors

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<v Speaker 2>faces continued as prosecutors played the video of Kelly's strapped

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<v Speaker 2>to a fitness bench in the toy box. This was

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<v Speaker 2>the same video from the first trial. After the six

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<v Speaker 2>minute clip finished, plane prosecutors asked Kelly if she recognized

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<v Speaker 2>the woman on the tape. After wiping away a steady

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<v Speaker 2>stream of tears, Kelly said, that's me. She recounted as

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<v Speaker 2>much as she could remember from that weekend, including how

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<v Speaker 2>David Parker Ray dressed in his Green Parks Department uniform,

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<v Speaker 2>dropped her off at her mother in law's house. Those

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<v Speaker 2>were the same in laws who later saw Kelly's tattoo

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<v Speaker 2>on the news three years later and called the FBI

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<v Speaker 2>on her behalf.

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<v Speaker 1>It was pretty convincing, and I think everybody in the

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<v Speaker 1>room knew it. I knew it, the judge knew it.

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<v Speaker 2>And then came a ruling by Judge Swayze that changed everything.

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<v Speaker 2>In the first trial, prosecutors could not play David Parker

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<v Speaker 2>Ray's orientation tape. The judge had ruled the audio recording

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<v Speaker 2>in admissible since Kelly couldn't remember hearing it.

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<v Speaker 1>Basically, it's an introduction for the victim of what is

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<v Speaker 1>going to happen to them over the next few days

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<v Speaker 1>or weeks in the trailer and graphically describes how they'll

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<v Speaker 1>be raped and tortured.

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<v Speaker 3>And tormented.

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<v Speaker 2>In the retrial, Judge Swayzee allowed the jury to hear

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<v Speaker 2>an edited version of that tape.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, we'll both know what you've been brought here far.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm going to use you. You're not going to like the

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<v Speaker 4>way I do it, and in a week or two,

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<v Speaker 4>when I'm through with you, you can be turned loose.

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<v Speaker 2>Most importantly for the prosecution, the tape described all the

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<v Speaker 2>graphic details that Kelly Garrett could not remember.

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<v Speaker 4>As soon as I turned this type off, you will

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<v Speaker 4>have an excellent opportunity to try to bag for me

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<v Speaker 4>to turn you loose. I loved to listen to a

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<v Speaker 4>bag and play. And this is the end of the tape.

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<v Speaker 2>After listening to twenty five minutes of David Parker Ray

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<v Speaker 2>rattling off his twisted fantasies, only one word could describe

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<v Speaker 2>the look on each of the jurors faces.

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<v Speaker 3>Horrified.

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<v Speaker 2>During a cigarette break, David Parker Ray was overheard saying

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<v Speaker 2>the new judge was a blow to his case. When

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<v Speaker 2>the trial resumed, the jury also heard from Kelly Garrett's

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<v Speaker 2>ex's husband Patrick. He was married to Kelly in July

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety six. When David Parker Ray kidnapped her. Patrick

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<v Speaker 2>testified while dressed in his navy uniform. He explained that

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<v Speaker 2>the day David Parker Ray dropped Kelly off, she wasn't herself.

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<v Speaker 2>She was disoriented and mumbling. Kelly was also dirty, which

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<v Speaker 2>was unusual because she usually showered a couple times a day.

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<v Speaker 2>Patrick added that he found the whole situation with David

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<v Speaker 2>Parker Wray to be shady. It was a Sunday, and

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<v Speaker 2>David was dressed in his work uniform even though he

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<v Speaker 2>didn't have to work that day. The irony of his

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<v Speaker 2>testimony is that Patrick had originally questioned Kelly's credibility. Patrick

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<v Speaker 2>and his family thought her disappearance meant she was cheating

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<v Speaker 2>on him. He learned the truth three years later, and

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<v Speaker 2>at the trial, the guilt of not believing his now

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<v Speaker 2>ex wife finally overwhelmed him. Patrick wiped away tears as

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<v Speaker 2>he explained that he annulled their marriage a few days

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<v Speaker 2>after David Parker Wray dropped Kelly off. During closing arguments,

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<v Speaker 2>the prosecution told the jury that Kelly Garrett's long nightmare

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<v Speaker 2>was real and they could bring it to an end

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<v Speaker 2>by finding David Parker Ray guilty. The defense try a

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<v Speaker 2>different approach and once again played the six minute long

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<v Speaker 2>videotape of Kelly Garrett in the toy box. This time,

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<v Speaker 2>attorney Lee McMillan gave a sort of play by play

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<v Speaker 2>description of what he believed was happening and explained that

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<v Speaker 2>the tapes showed nothing more than a harmless fantasy and

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<v Speaker 2>consensual sex.

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<v Speaker 3>Being a doesn't mean you're a murderer.

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<v Speaker 2>To underscore his point, McMillan took it one step further.

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<v Speaker 2>He gramped every picture prosecutor showed from the toy box,

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<v Speaker 2>and one by one he held them up and threw

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<v Speaker 2>them on the floor. He again reminded the jury that

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<v Speaker 2>those pictures were taken in nineteen ninety nine, three years

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<v Speaker 2>after Kelly Garrett was allegedly held in the toy box.

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<v Speaker 2>McMillan explained that there was no way to know if

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<v Speaker 2>any of the items were present when Kelly was there.

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<v Speaker 2>Once again, David parker Ray's fate was in the hands

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<v Speaker 2>of the jury. After a hung jury in his first trial,

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<v Speaker 2>David Parker Ray was retried in the spring of two

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<v Speaker 2>thousand and one. Based on parker Rey's demeanor in the

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<v Speaker 2>court room, you'd never know he was facing more than

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<v Speaker 2>two hundred years in prison.

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<v Speaker 1>He sat there and stared at people and looked at me,

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<v Speaker 1>and he would make notes and pass them to me,

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<v Speaker 1>and elbowed me a little bit when he wanted me

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<v Speaker 1>to say something.

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<v Speaker 2>His attorney, Lee McMillan, now stood next to his client

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<v Speaker 2>as the jury returned with a verdict. The group had

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<v Speaker 2>deliberated for just over five hours.

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<v Speaker 3>The atmosphere was one of foreboding and darkness.

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<v Speaker 2>On the twelve counts of abducting and sexually torturing Kelly Garrett,

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<v Speaker 2>the jury found David Parker Ray guilty. In an interview

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<v Speaker 2>with the reporter afterwards, David Parker Ray claimed the sex

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<v Speaker 2>between he and Kelly Garrett was consensual. He vowed to

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<v Speaker 2>appeal and listened to what he told a local TV reporter.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel right, David Parker Ray said, he feels like

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<v Speaker 2>the one that was raped.

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<v Speaker 5>I get my excitement from making a moment happy. My

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<v Speaker 5>trailer had numerous sex toys in it, of different types,

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<v Speaker 5>all different fetishes. I got pleasure out of the woman

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<v Speaker 5>getting pleasure. I did what they wanted me to do.

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<v Speaker 2>You could credit that infamous cassette tape for helping jurors

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<v Speaker 2>in the second trial convict David parker Ray, but he

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<v Speaker 2>told reporters that it wasn't at all what it sounded like.

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<v Speaker 2>Parker Ray explained that the tape was recorded for entertainment

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<v Speaker 2>purposes and that there was a disclaimer at the beginning

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<v Speaker 2>of the tape that said so. With one trial down

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<v Speaker 2>and two to go, Judge Swayzee held off on sentencing

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<v Speaker 2>until the conclusion of David Parker Ray's other trials. His

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<v Speaker 2>second trial was for the crimes inflicted on Cynthia V.

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<v Speaker 6>Hill.

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<v Speaker 3>Cynthia V.

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<v Speaker 1>Hill was another victim that David snatched off the street

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<v Speaker 1>in Albuquerque and took to his trailer. She had been

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<v Speaker 1>in the house for three days to restrain and being mistreated,

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<v Speaker 1>and somehow got away from Sandy Handy and David ran

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<v Speaker 1>down Bass Road with the collar around her neck, trailing

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<v Speaker 1>a chain, going from house to half looking for help.

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<v Speaker 2>But just after that trial began, Cynthia V. Hill received

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<v Speaker 2>some unexpected news.

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<v Speaker 7>The DA contacted me and told me that David wanted

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<v Speaker 7>to plead out and plead guilty for what he did

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<v Speaker 7>to me.

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<v Speaker 2>David Parker Ray wanted to strike a deal, but it

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<v Speaker 2>came with one giant cat.

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<v Speaker 7>Which the only way he would plead guilty was if

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<v Speaker 7>his daughter got no time.

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<v Speaker 2>In exchange for pleading guilty, prosecutors would have to drop

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<v Speaker 2>their case against his daughter Jesse Ray. Remember, Jesse worked

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<v Speaker 2>as her father's accomplice and helped to lure victims into

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<v Speaker 2>the toy.

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<v Speaker 7>Box, knowing that he wanted to plead out on my case.

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<v Speaker 7>I was happy that I didn't have to testify.

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<v Speaker 2>It's good that she didn't have to relive what happened

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<v Speaker 2>to her by testifying at the trial, But the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that Jesse Ray got off scot free seems like a

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<v Speaker 2>miscarriage of justice. In the summer of two thousand and one,

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<v Speaker 2>David Parker Ray and prosecutors struck a deal. In exchange

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<v Speaker 2>for Jesse Ray not serving any additional prison time, David

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<v Speaker 2>pleaded guilty to more than twenty charges, including kidnapping, raping,

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<v Speaker 2>and conspiracy to knap Cynthia V. Hill.

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<v Speaker 7>I think his daughter should have gotten more time, but

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<v Speaker 7>then I had to realize taking it to trial, anything

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<v Speaker 7>could have wit and then he could have been let go.

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<v Speaker 2>As part of the deal, Jesse Ray was sentenced to

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<v Speaker 2>time served and five years of probation, and there was more.

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<v Speaker 2>The deal also meant dropping the other pending case against

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<v Speaker 2>David Parker Ray. That trial was for the third victim,

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<v Speaker 2>Angela Montano, who sadly passed before her trial was set

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<v Speaker 2>to begin. Angela never got the justice she deserved.

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<v Speaker 1>I think David was protective of his daughter because she

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<v Speaker 1>represented his legacy.

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<v Speaker 2>All that was left was to formally sentence David parker Ray.

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<v Speaker 2>Kelly Garrett arrived at the sentencing hearing to read her

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<v Speaker 2>victim impact statement. Kelly said that she hopes David Parker

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<v Speaker 2>Ray lives long enough to serve out his full sentence.

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<v Speaker 2>David stared at the floor as Kelly said she hoped

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<v Speaker 2>he would burn in hell. When the judge asked David

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<v Speaker 2>Parker Ray if he had anything to say, he said

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<v Speaker 2>he did. He explained that this whole process has allowed

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<v Speaker 2>him to get closer to God, and then stoically said,

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<v Speaker 2>I can only be sorry for what I did. It

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<v Speaker 2>was something that caught his own lawyer off guard.

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<v Speaker 1>I do not think David Parker Ray ever expressed any remorse.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think that he was capable of remorse. He

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<v Speaker 1>fully believed that he would never be in prison.

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<v Speaker 2>And told me so, but Judge Swayzee was about to

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<v Speaker 2>change that.

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<v Speaker 1>David Parker Ray was sent us to two hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>twenty four years of confinement.

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<v Speaker 2>It was the maximum sentence.

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<v Speaker 3>No human being would ever survive. That.

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<v Speaker 2>Cynthia V.

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<v Speaker 7>Hill was thrilled knowing nobody would ever go through what

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<v Speaker 7>I went. Dude, I think that's what was satisfying about

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<v Speaker 7>him being locked up.

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<v Speaker 2>David Parker Ray was head to prison on a list

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<v Speaker 2>of charges, but murder wasn't one of them. Even though

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<v Speaker 2>he bragged about killing dozens of people in his journals,

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<v Speaker 2>investigators never located anybodies. But then in May of two

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<v Speaker 2>thousand and two, David Parker Ray told the FBI that

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<v Speaker 2>he was ready to talk. It was the first time

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<v Speaker 2>he ever agreed to cooperate, and authorities believed he had

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<v Speaker 2>information to finally share about those missing women. The two

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<v Speaker 2>sides set a meeting, but that meeting never happened.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I was at home with my children helping them

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<v Speaker 1>with their homework, and it came on the news in Albuquerque.

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<v Speaker 3>David parker Ray has died.

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<v Speaker 2>Just before David parker Ray's meeting with the FBI. He

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<v Speaker 2>suffered a fatal heart attack. He was sixty two years old.

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<v Speaker 2>This meant that David Parker Ray took his secrets with him.

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<v Speaker 2>His attorney couldn't believe it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I wanted to see his body dead, and I

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<v Speaker 1>made the determination that I would make every effort I

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<v Speaker 1>could to attend his autopsy. I wanted to be sure

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<v Speaker 1>that they made the wye In decision and removed his organs

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<v Speaker 1>because I did not trust that he would not start

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<v Speaker 1>his own heart and walk out. And the reason that

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<v Speaker 1>I felt that way was because one night when we

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<v Speaker 1>were sitting there at a table that was before sentencing,

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<v Speaker 1>and he and I were talking and basically I was

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<v Speaker 1>just giving it to him straight, you're probably going to

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<v Speaker 1>spend the rest of your life in state custody, and

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<v Speaker 1>so is your daughter. Now if you can possibly bring

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<v Speaker 1>yourself to cooperate with the Feds, and they were offering

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<v Speaker 1>some sort of deal for his daughter, but he didn't

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<v Speaker 1>want to do it.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's connect the dots here. His lawyer said that

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<v Speaker 2>David Parker Ray didn't want to take the original plea

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<v Speaker 2>deal because he didn't believe he'd serve time in prison.

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<v Speaker 2>So he goes to trial, is found guilty, gets sentenced,

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<v Speaker 2>and then dies weeks later. In other words, he gets

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<v Speaker 2>off easy.

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<v Speaker 1>This is my first and probably only contact me in

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<v Speaker 1>my life with pure evil, and it made me believe

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<v Speaker 1>in the incarnation of pure evil.

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<v Speaker 2>David Parker raised Bonnie was buried at the New Mexico

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<v Speaker 2>State Prison Cemetery in Santa Fe. Nearly a decade later,

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<v Speaker 2>local TV reporter Alex Tomlin did a story about Elephant

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<v Speaker 2>Butte Lake drying up.

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<v Speaker 6>We had kind of a severe drought and the levels

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<v Speaker 6>of the lake really started dropping and they were finding things.

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<v Speaker 6>And I got a call from a guy and he says, look,

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<v Speaker 6>I haven't said anything for years, but with lake training,

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<v Speaker 6>they keep finding these tires. And I used to be

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<v Speaker 6>a neighbor of David Parker raised, and I see him

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<v Speaker 6>out there filling these really large tires with cement and

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<v Speaker 6>dumping them in the lake. And I asked him, I said, well,

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<v Speaker 6>what do you think was in the tires? And his

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<v Speaker 6>response was, well, I think it's the missing women. And

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<v Speaker 6>so there was a lot of speculation about that, and

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<v Speaker 6>all I'm thinking is, if this is a chance to

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<v Speaker 6>find these women, we've got to cover it. Maybe this

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<v Speaker 6>was our next chance, I mean, maybe Mother Nature was

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<v Speaker 6>going to catch us a break.

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<v Speaker 2>But once again, no body's turned up. Then, in twenty eleven,

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<v Speaker 2>the FBI reopened the case of a missing Albuquerque woman

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<v Speaker 2>who was alleged to have been killed by David Parker Ray,

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<v Speaker 2>and doing so, investigators again searched in and around Elephant

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<v Speaker 2>Butte Lake. The FBI then turned to the public for

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<v Speaker 2>help and opened the toy box to the media. They

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<v Speaker 2>created a website and posted photos of women's shoes, underwear,

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<v Speaker 2>and clothing, along with dozens of necklaces, rings, and earrings

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<v Speaker 2>found inside the toy box. All of this was done

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<v Speaker 2>with the hopes for further leads in the story.

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<v Speaker 6>But this is one of those cases it's like until

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<v Speaker 6>you get that last piece of the puzzle, there's really

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<v Speaker 6>nothing else to do with it. I mean, the toy

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<v Speaker 6>box has been opened, people have seen it, his tape

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<v Speaker 6>is well known, but there's still women who are missing,

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<v Speaker 6>and until somebody says something, you know, if it's true

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<v Speaker 6>that he had these other people that he can fight

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<v Speaker 6>it in, somebody has to know something.

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<v Speaker 2>No bodies were ever found. Instead, the seemingly never ending

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<v Speaker 2>story has remained into the area like a scarlet letter.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it hurt the local bars. I think it

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<v Speaker 1>hurt the vocal restaurants, and I think the notoriety hurt

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<v Speaker 1>in a way that the UFO controversy hurt rosal.

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<v Speaker 3>In New Mexico, a.

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<v Speaker 2>Local newspaper printed a letter to the editor from an

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<v Speaker 2>eighteen year old earl who is upset at the media's

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<v Speaker 2>portrayal of the towns of Elephant Butte and truth consequences.

0:23:06.520 --> 0:23:09.120
<v Speaker 2>She wrote that one bad apple shouldn't spoil the rest

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<v Speaker 2>of the bunch, but the damage was done.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it hurt the tourism aspect of the lake.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that for a time there was an attitude

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<v Speaker 1>that people did not want to go in the lake

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<v Speaker 1>because there might be bodies in there. And I had

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<v Speaker 1>people around the state tell me.

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<v Speaker 8>That Elephant Butte will forever be linked to David Parker

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<v Speaker 8>Ray and the unthinkable crimes that he committed.

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<v Speaker 2>Darren White, who works with New Mexico's Department of Public Safety,

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<v Speaker 2>still lives in the area.

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<v Speaker 8>It's hard to move on when you don't know what happened.

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<v Speaker 8>It's hard to move on when you know there are

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<v Speaker 8>victims out there that haven't been found. But nobody, including myself,

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<v Speaker 8>thanks for a second that David Parker Ray did not

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<v Speaker 8>abduct women, torture them and kill them.

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<v Speaker 3>He did.

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<v Speaker 8>But that is the really bizarre thing about this is

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<v Speaker 8>that David Parker Ray is the most notorious serial killer

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<v Speaker 8>in New Mexico's history, and we've never found a single body.

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<v Speaker 2>Today, two key accomplices in the David Parker Ray story

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<v Speaker 2>are free, his daughter Jesse Ray and girlfriend Cindy Hendy.

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<v Speaker 8>It's probably the one thing that irritates the hell out

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<v Speaker 8>of me about this case is that those two today

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<v Speaker 8>are walking the streets free.

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<v Speaker 2>Darren White worked for New Mexico's Department of Public Safety.

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<v Speaker 8>Because they're just as responsible as David Parker Ray, and

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<v Speaker 8>they're equally as evil as David Parker Ray. But that

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<v Speaker 8>was part of the deal that was cut. I get that.

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<v Speaker 8>I've been at this a long time. David Parker Ray

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<v Speaker 8>he wanted Jesse to be free, and so that was

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<v Speaker 8>part of the player agreement.

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<v Speaker 2>In twenty nineteen, Cindy Hendy was released after serving twenty

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<v Speaker 2>of her thirty six year sentence. New Mexico state law,

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<v Speaker 2>which has since been changed, only required Cindy to serve

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<v Speaker 2>half of her sentence.

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<v Speaker 8>And so in twenty nineteen she was released. She served

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<v Speaker 8>all of her time, and as I recall, she moved

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<v Speaker 8>out of the state.

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<v Speaker 2>Cindy Hendy moved to Montana. When locals found out, they

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<v Speaker 2>were furious because Cindy, a registered sex offender, reportedly moved

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<v Speaker 2>near a public school, and for defense attorney Lee McMillan,

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<v Speaker 2>he fears for his own safety.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that anybody that has anything to do with

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<v Speaker 1>this case has something to fear from Cindy Handy or

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<v Speaker 1>Jesse Ray or anybody associated with that group. I know

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<v Speaker 1>that if I see I'll defend myself.

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<v Speaker 2>As you can imagine, being the man responsible for defending

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<v Speaker 2>David Parker Ray comes at a price.

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<v Speaker 3>My career was never the same after this case.

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<v Speaker 1>I realized how it changed my relationship to people around me,

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<v Speaker 1>to the practice of law, and to society in general.

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<v Speaker 1>And this case turned me into a Christian because you

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<v Speaker 1>cannot understand this case if you're not a feist. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>very careful about who I take on as a client

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<v Speaker 1>now because I don't trust anybody anymore. This case has

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<v Speaker 1>made me more aware of evil and good in the world,

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<v Speaker 1>and most criminal clients are weak people who have just

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<v Speaker 1>to come to their urges and done stupid things or

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<v Speaker 1>bad things, and if they're willing to accept responsibility for

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<v Speaker 1>their actions and get better, I'm willing.

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<v Speaker 3>To take them.

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<v Speaker 1>If they're not willing to do it, I'm not willing

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<v Speaker 1>to take them anymore. I think that this case had

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<v Speaker 1>a negative impact on everybody that was associated with it.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody that's associated with it has died.

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<v Speaker 3>In the interim.

0:27:03.440 --> 0:27:06.160
<v Speaker 1>I got cancer and I've had a stroke since then.

0:27:07.560 --> 0:27:08.399
<v Speaker 1>I'm surviving that.

0:27:12.200 --> 0:27:16.200
<v Speaker 2>In the end, Lee credits David Parker Ray's victim, Cynthia V.

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<v Speaker 6>Hill.

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<v Speaker 3>If it had not been for Cynthia V.

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<v Speaker 1>Hill escaping, he would have continued until he died of

0:27:21.480 --> 0:27:24.200
<v Speaker 1>other causes. He would have continued, and I think he

0:27:24.240 --> 0:27:27.600
<v Speaker 1>would have continued to recruit people to continue the same activity.

0:27:28.080 --> 0:27:29.600
<v Speaker 3>And I think he did that right up to his

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<v Speaker 3>dead Cynthia V.

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<v Speaker 2>Hill managed to escape from David Parker Ray's toy box

0:27:35.800 --> 0:27:38.679
<v Speaker 2>and in doing so, helped to bring an end to

0:27:38.720 --> 0:27:39.440
<v Speaker 2>his crimes.

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<v Speaker 8>For somebody like Cynthia to stand up there with the FBI,

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<v Speaker 8>and that was incredibly courageous and important because for many

0:27:51.520 --> 0:27:56.240
<v Speaker 8>of us, we see it, we see firsthand. Those agents

0:27:56.320 --> 0:27:59.879
<v Speaker 8>that worked that case, they saw it firsthand and for

0:28:00.119 --> 0:28:01.800
<v Speaker 8>the public who just read about it.

0:28:02.240 --> 0:28:03.240
<v Speaker 3>There was a naked.

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<v Speaker 8>Woman with a dog collar. There's a face to that.

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<v Speaker 8>It's a human being. She stood up at a podium

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<v Speaker 8>and said, we need to uncover as much as we can.

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<v Speaker 8>We need to learn more, we need to find the

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<v Speaker 8>women who were killed by David Parker ray. And now

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<v Speaker 8>she's become the voice for the women who don't have one.

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<v Speaker 8>And that's incredible. That's so courageous, and I admire her

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<v Speaker 8>so much for that because she didn't have to. And

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<v Speaker 8>I hope that that brings her, in some way, some

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<v Speaker 8>bit of peace, because I can't imagine the hell that

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<v Speaker 8>she has to live through, because all we have are

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<v Speaker 8>those images that we saw she lived in. And so

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<v Speaker 8>if there's anything that brings that woman piece, I pray

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<v Speaker 8>for it.

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<v Speaker 7>I don't think I'm a hero. It just happened to

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<v Speaker 7>get away from David Parkery.

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<v Speaker 2>Cynthia has found a way to find light in all darkness.

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<v Speaker 2>Today she uses her experience to help others.

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<v Speaker 7>I run a nonprofit, coss Straight Safe, and that's what

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<v Speaker 7>helps me get through all the darkness. That's here helping

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<v Speaker 7>the women that were in my situation.

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<v Speaker 2>Safe Street, New Mexico serves victims of sex trafficking and

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<v Speaker 2>those struggling with homelessness and addiction.

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<v Speaker 7>Letting them know that they're not victims, they're survivors, I

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<v Speaker 7>think is a big message to give the women and

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<v Speaker 7>let them know you're not anybody's a victim. Take that

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<v Speaker 7>power back from everybody. Once you take that power back,

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<v Speaker 7>you're not You're not a victim, You're a survivor. And

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<v Speaker 7>I think letting them know that is it's the first

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<v Speaker 7>step of getting them on the right track.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Cynthia still lives with the physical and mental scars

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<v Speaker 2>of her past. She does have surprising message for Cindy Hendy.

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<v Speaker 7>How do you want her to know that I forgive her.

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<v Speaker 7>I have no hard feelings anymore. I also understand she

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<v Speaker 7>served her time. I'm not mad that she's released. I'm

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<v Speaker 7>glad she's with her kids. I hope she's making the

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<v Speaker 7>best of her life.

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<v Speaker 2>But she does have one question for Cindy.

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<v Speaker 7>The only thing I want to revisit is if David

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<v Speaker 7>ever told her where any of the bodies are at.

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<v Speaker 2>As for the other living survivor, Kelly Garrett.

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<v Speaker 9>I'm just existing. I'm not living. Some days are just

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<v Speaker 9>harder than others, but I have mostly good days now.

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<v Speaker 2>Like Cynthia, she's also working for a nonprofit.

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<v Speaker 9>I am a coordinator for a little program called Heartfelt Destinations,

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<v Speaker 9>and we take people to doctor's appointments. We are nonprofit.

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<v Speaker 9>We get our money from grants. Our clients don't have

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<v Speaker 9>to pay anything. It's a free ride.

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<v Speaker 2>Kelly has turned her experience into her purpose.

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<v Speaker 9>Sometimes we're counselors. Sometimes they don't get good results. You

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<v Speaker 9>have to be compassionate. An understanding feels good. I like

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<v Speaker 9>helping people, especially on the days I can't get out

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<v Speaker 9>of bed.

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<v Speaker 2>There's links in the show notes to the nonprofits we

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<v Speaker 2>talked about in this episode.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, women are amazing, right. We bring life into

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<v Speaker 6>this world. We are strong, and those two women embody

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<v Speaker 6>that they stood up to a monster.

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<v Speaker 2>For TV reporter Alex Tomlin. Kelly and Cynthia are heroes.

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<v Speaker 6>They survived him, They faced him head on and they

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<v Speaker 6>put his ass away, and that has to at least

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<v Speaker 6>be some type of justice for them.

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<v Speaker 2>Prosecutor Jim Yons helped put David Parker Ray behind bars.

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<v Speaker 2>He uses this case as a.

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<v Speaker 10>Warning if anything comes out of the case for the good.

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<v Speaker 10>I hope it's that people realize that there are monsters

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<v Speaker 10>out there.

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<v Speaker 2>More than a quarter century has passed since Cynthia Vihill

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<v Speaker 2>escaped the toy box, running towards freedom naked with a

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<v Speaker 2>metal dog collar around her neck, and twenty two years

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<v Speaker 2>since David Parker Ray died in jail of a heart attack. Nevertheless,

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<v Speaker 2>the story continues to haunt the towns of Truther Consequences

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<v Speaker 2>and Elephant Butte even to this day. Sitting in the

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<v Speaker 2>parking lot of the Albuquerque FBI office is David Parker

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<v Speaker 2>Ray's toy box.

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<v Speaker 10>The town has changed. It's just not as close knitted

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<v Speaker 10>community as it used to be, simply because they had

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<v Speaker 10>a monster in their midst and they didn't know it.

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<v Speaker 2>Next time on American Homicide, when the wife of a

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<v Speaker 2>prominent religious leader is murdered. The search for the killer

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<v Speaker 2>will uncover layers of secrets that would shake a town

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<v Speaker 2>to its soul. I'm Sloane Glass. Join me as we

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<v Speaker 2>head to Cherry Hill, New Jersey for the story of

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<v Speaker 2>Carol Newlander. That's next time on American Homicide. You can

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