1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:04,200 Speaker 1: I was David Parker Ray's second lawyer. I stepped in 2 00:00:04,519 --> 00:00:10,240 Speaker 1: after the first trial in two thousand. I spent dozens 3 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 1: or hundreds of hours with David Parker Ray. What I 4 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 1: expected was somebody that was visibly evil. What I got 5 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:19,440 Speaker 1: was a guy that if you met him in a bar, 6 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:21,640 Speaker 1: you'd have a beer with him and maybe go fishing 7 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 1: with him. I think the fact that he was so 8 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 1: amiable makes the whole thing scarier. 9 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 2: My name is Slung Glass and this is the conclusion 10 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 2: of The Toy Box Killer on American Homicide And just 11 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 2: a quick note that this episode contained some graphic and 12 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 2: disturbing content. Please take care while listening. The case of 13 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:46,600 Speaker 2: David Parker Ray caught the attention of the world after 14 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:50,519 Speaker 2: one of his victims escaped from his torture chamber known 15 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 2: as the Toy Box. His toy box was a soundproof 16 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:57,640 Speaker 2: trailer attached to his home in the middle of the 17 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 2: New Mexico Desert. It's the place where three women accused 18 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:06,960 Speaker 2: David Parker Ray of kidnapping, torturing, and sexually assaulting them. 19 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 2: After his arrest, David Parker Ray faced three separate trials, 20 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 2: one for each victim, but prosecutors in the first trial 21 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:18,120 Speaker 2: couldn't secure a conviction. 22 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 3: There was a mistrial, they had a hung jury. 23 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:25,319 Speaker 2: Lee McMillan was David Parker Ray's lawyer and represented him 24 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:26,120 Speaker 2: in the retrial. 25 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 1: Was one of the best behaved criminal clients I'd ever had. 26 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 1: He never criticized, He never complained, you never whined. 27 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 2: We heard in earlier episodes how locals described David Parker 28 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:43,400 Speaker 2: Ray as charming, polite, and even helpful. But the likable 29 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 2: mechanic from Elephant Bute, New Mexico had some dark secrets. 30 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 2: The FBI believed he could be responsible for the murders 31 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 2: of more than forty five people, that would make him 32 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 2: one of the most prolific killers in American history, but 33 00:01:58,800 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 2: they never charged him. 34 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 1: It was difficult to convict David Parker Ray of murder 35 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 1: because they didn't have any corpses. 36 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 2: Without anybodies, prosecutors charged Parker Ray with what they could 37 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 2: get him on, kidnapping, torturing, and sexually assaulting three women. 38 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 1: David Parker Ray was a man who believed himself to 39 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 1: be Satan himself, or at least a demonic presence on earth. 40 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 1: To advance the Satanic agenda, he makes that very clear 41 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 1: in the orientation tape that he played for his victims, 42 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:33,679 Speaker 1: and in the sketches that he made of the procedures 43 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 1: that he performed in his den, which he called Satan's Den. 44 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 2: You may remember that he tied up his victims and 45 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 2: then played a recording of him methodically listing off all 46 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:47,519 Speaker 2: the sick and disgusting things he intended to do to them. 47 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:50,359 Speaker 3: I have no idea how to defend somebody like that. 48 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:54,639 Speaker 2: Nevertheless, this was the job Lee McMillan had to do. 49 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 2: Each case against David Parker Ray was tried separately. The 50 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 2: first trial was for crimes against Kelly Garrett, who was 51 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 2: kidnapped by David's daughter, Jesse Ray in nineteen ninety six. 52 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 1: Kelly Garrett, who was uncovered by one of the pictures 53 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 1: that the FBI took and the toy box showed a 54 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 1: victim with a tattoo on her lower leg, and they 55 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:26,080 Speaker 1: identified her through that tattoo. 56 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:30,079 Speaker 2: Kelly's exit in laws saw a picture of her tattoo 57 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 2: on the news and immediately phoned the FBI to identify 58 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 2: their ex daughter in law. They remembered how three years 59 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 2: earlier Kelly turned up disoriented but having no memory of 60 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 2: where she had been over the course of a weekend. 61 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 2: At the time, they all assumed Kelly was out partying 62 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 2: and messing around with another man. 63 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 3: I thank you for Kelly Garrett. 64 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 1: She has gone through some stuff and went to the bars, 65 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 1: and I believe that's how she came into contact with 66 00:03:58,200 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 1: Jesse Ray and David Ray. 67 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 2: But the reality is that Kelly was kidnapped and drugged, 68 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 2: which destroyed her memory from that weekend. So Kelly never 69 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 2: told the police about what happened. It was the FBI 70 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 2: who approached her. A fact David Parker Ray's defense team 71 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 2: jumped on. 72 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 1: Well, normally you would go after that witness and ask 73 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 1: him why they never came forward and ask him why 74 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:26,839 Speaker 1: they didn't participate in the prosecution until they were found. 75 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 1: Considering that the case was all over the news, why 76 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 1: didn't you pick up the phone and call somebody? 77 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 2: Questioning Kelly Garrett's credibility was one part of the defense. 78 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:40,039 Speaker 2: The other was to argue what the jury saw on 79 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:43,480 Speaker 2: the tapes happening between David Parker Ray and Kelly Garrett 80 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 2: was consensual. When the trial kicked off in the spring 81 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:51,279 Speaker 2: of two thousand and one, it featured a new judge 82 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 2: named Kevin Swayzee. He replaced the original judge after he 83 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:58,479 Speaker 2: died of a heart attack just hours after warning some 84 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 2: jail guards to leave David Parker Ray alone. Judge Sweezey 85 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:06,599 Speaker 2: was a rancher who spent his weekend steer roping, meaning 86 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 2: he'd ride a horse while trying to lasso a bull. 87 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:12,720 Speaker 2: But now he traded his jeans and flannel shirt furrow 88 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 2: rope as he presided over one of the biggest trials 89 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:20,159 Speaker 2: in the country. In order to find an impartial jury, 90 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:24,279 Speaker 2: the case was moved to Estancia, New Mexico, known for 91 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 2: their annual pumpkin chunkin event where custombo machines launched pumpkins 92 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:33,159 Speaker 2: into the air. The tiny farming and ranching community sits 93 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 2: just outside Albuquerque. As you can imagine, hearing a case 94 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 2: about bondage and S and M was something foreign to 95 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 2: the locals. 96 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 1: And to that end, I actually hired an expert witness 97 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:51,479 Speaker 1: who is a local dominatrix, to explain that concept to 98 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 1: what turned out to be a jury of farmers and ranchers. 99 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:59,279 Speaker 2: That dominatrix, by the way, was the only witness that 100 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:03,119 Speaker 2: the defense would call. Instead, the defense would chip away 101 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 2: at the credibility of the prosecution's witnesses, and once again, 102 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 2: one of the witnesses was the victim, Kelly Garrett. 103 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:14,160 Speaker 1: Well, the normal situation in a sexual assault trial for 104 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:16,600 Speaker 1: a defense lawyer is to find fault with the victim 105 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 1: as much as possible. 106 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 2: Unlike the first trial, when prosecutors called a string of 107 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 2: law enforcement and FBI investigators to testify, prosecutors immediately put 108 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 2: Kelly Garrett on the witness stand once again. Kelly shared 109 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:35,599 Speaker 2: her painful memories of what happened in David Parker raised 110 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 2: toy box. She explained that David Parker raised daughter Jesse Ray, 111 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:45,279 Speaker 2: a former friend, offered her a ride home, but instead 112 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 2: took Kelly to her father's torture chamber. That's where he 113 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 2: physically and sexually abused her over the course of that 114 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:57,840 Speaker 2: July nineteen ninety six weekend. The jurors, comprised mostly of farmers, 115 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 2: sat frozen in their seats as Kelly recounted the chilling 116 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 2: details from the toy box. The shock on the jurors 117 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 2: faces continued as prosecutors played the video of Kelly's strapped 118 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 2: to a fitness bench in the toy box. This was 119 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 2: the same video from the first trial. After the six 120 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 2: minute clip finished, plane prosecutors asked Kelly if she recognized 121 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 2: the woman on the tape. After wiping away a steady 122 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 2: stream of tears, Kelly said, that's me. She recounted as 123 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 2: much as she could remember from that weekend, including how 124 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 2: David Parker Ray dressed in his Green Parks Department uniform, 125 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 2: dropped her off at her mother in law's house. Those 126 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 2: were the same in laws who later saw Kelly's tattoo 127 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 2: on the news three years later and called the FBI 128 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 2: on her behalf. 129 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 1: It was pretty convincing, and I think everybody in the 130 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 1: room knew it. I knew it, the judge knew it. 131 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 2: And then came a ruling by Judge Swayze that changed everything. 132 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 2: In the first trial, prosecutors could not play David Parker 133 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 2: Ray's orientation tape. The judge had ruled the audio recording 134 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 2: in admissible since Kelly couldn't remember hearing it. 135 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 1: Basically, it's an introduction for the victim of what is 136 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 1: going to happen to them over the next few days 137 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 1: or weeks in the trailer and graphically describes how they'll 138 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 1: be raped and tortured. 139 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 3: And tormented. 140 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 2: In the retrial, Judge Swayzee allowed the jury to hear 141 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 2: an edited version of that tape. 142 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 4: Okay, we'll both know what you've been brought here far. 143 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:42,560 Speaker 4: I'm going to use you. You're not going to like the 144 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 4: way I do it, and in a week or two, 145 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 4: when I'm through with you, you can be turned loose. 146 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 2: Most importantly for the prosecution, the tape described all the 147 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:54,720 Speaker 2: graphic details that Kelly Garrett could not remember. 148 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:58,320 Speaker 4: As soon as I turned this type off, you will 149 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:00,439 Speaker 4: have an excellent opportunity to try to bag for me 150 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:02,839 Speaker 4: to turn you loose. I loved to listen to a 151 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 4: bag and play. And this is the end of the tape. 152 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:11,080 Speaker 2: After listening to twenty five minutes of David Parker Ray 153 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 2: rattling off his twisted fantasies, only one word could describe 154 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 2: the look on each of the jurors faces. 155 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 3: Horrified. 156 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 2: During a cigarette break, David Parker Ray was overheard saying 157 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 2: the new judge was a blow to his case. When 158 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:32,680 Speaker 2: the trial resumed, the jury also heard from Kelly Garrett's 159 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 2: ex's husband Patrick. He was married to Kelly in July 160 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:40,679 Speaker 2: nineteen ninety six. When David Parker Ray kidnapped her. Patrick 161 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 2: testified while dressed in his navy uniform. He explained that 162 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 2: the day David Parker Ray dropped Kelly off, she wasn't herself. 163 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:54,959 Speaker 2: She was disoriented and mumbling. Kelly was also dirty, which 164 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 2: was unusual because she usually showered a couple times a day. 165 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 2: Patrick added that he found the whole situation with David 166 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:07,560 Speaker 2: Parker Wray to be shady. It was a Sunday, and 167 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 2: David was dressed in his work uniform even though he 168 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:15,080 Speaker 2: didn't have to work that day. The irony of his 169 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:21,680 Speaker 2: testimony is that Patrick had originally questioned Kelly's credibility. Patrick 170 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 2: and his family thought her disappearance meant she was cheating 171 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:28,679 Speaker 2: on him. He learned the truth three years later, and 172 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 2: at the trial, the guilt of not believing his now 173 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 2: ex wife finally overwhelmed him. Patrick wiped away tears as 174 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 2: he explained that he annulled their marriage a few days 175 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 2: after David Parker Wray dropped Kelly off. During closing arguments, 176 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 2: the prosecution told the jury that Kelly Garrett's long nightmare 177 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 2: was real and they could bring it to an end 178 00:10:55,840 --> 00:11:00,320 Speaker 2: by finding David Parker Ray guilty. The defense try a 179 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:04,840 Speaker 2: different approach and once again played the six minute long 180 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 2: videotape of Kelly Garrett in the toy box. This time, 181 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 2: attorney Lee McMillan gave a sort of play by play 182 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 2: description of what he believed was happening and explained that 183 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 2: the tapes showed nothing more than a harmless fantasy and 184 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 2: consensual sex. 185 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:25,200 Speaker 3: Being a doesn't mean you're a murderer. 186 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 2: To underscore his point, McMillan took it one step further. 187 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 2: He gramped every picture prosecutor showed from the toy box, 188 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 2: and one by one he held them up and threw 189 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 2: them on the floor. He again reminded the jury that 190 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 2: those pictures were taken in nineteen ninety nine, three years 191 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:47,440 Speaker 2: after Kelly Garrett was allegedly held in the toy box. 192 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:50,840 Speaker 2: McMillan explained that there was no way to know if 193 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 2: any of the items were present when Kelly was there. 194 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 2: Once again, David parker Ray's fate was in the hands 195 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 2: of the jury. After a hung jury in his first trial, 196 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 2: David Parker Ray was retried in the spring of two 197 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:15,680 Speaker 2: thousand and one. Based on parker Rey's demeanor in the 198 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 2: court room, you'd never know he was facing more than 199 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:20,559 Speaker 2: two hundred years in prison. 200 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:24,559 Speaker 1: He sat there and stared at people and looked at me, 201 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:26,680 Speaker 1: and he would make notes and pass them to me, 202 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 1: and elbowed me a little bit when he wanted me 203 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:29,560 Speaker 1: to say something. 204 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:33,720 Speaker 2: His attorney, Lee McMillan, now stood next to his client 205 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 2: as the jury returned with a verdict. The group had 206 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 2: deliberated for just over five hours. 207 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:45,199 Speaker 3: The atmosphere was one of foreboding and darkness. 208 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 2: On the twelve counts of abducting and sexually torturing Kelly Garrett, 209 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 2: the jury found David Parker Ray guilty. In an interview 210 00:12:56,800 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 2: with the reporter afterwards, David Parker Ray claimed the sex 211 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:06,439 Speaker 2: between he and Kelly Garrett was consensual. He vowed to 212 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:10,840 Speaker 2: appeal and listened to what he told a local TV reporter. 213 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 2: I feel right, David Parker Ray said, he feels like 214 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:16,960 Speaker 2: the one that was raped. 215 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 5: I get my excitement from making a moment happy. My 216 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 5: trailer had numerous sex toys in it, of different types, 217 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:33,319 Speaker 5: all different fetishes. I got pleasure out of the woman 218 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:36,679 Speaker 5: getting pleasure. I did what they wanted me to do. 219 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:40,600 Speaker 2: You could credit that infamous cassette tape for helping jurors 220 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:44,560 Speaker 2: in the second trial convict David parker Ray, but he 221 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 2: told reporters that it wasn't at all what it sounded like. 222 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 2: Parker Ray explained that the tape was recorded for entertainment 223 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:56,679 Speaker 2: purposes and that there was a disclaimer at the beginning 224 00:13:56,720 --> 00:14:02,199 Speaker 2: of the tape that said so. With one trial down 225 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:05,719 Speaker 2: and two to go, Judge Swayzee held off on sentencing 226 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 2: until the conclusion of David Parker Ray's other trials. His 227 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:13,439 Speaker 2: second trial was for the crimes inflicted on Cynthia V. 228 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 6: Hill. 229 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 3: Cynthia V. 230 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:18,319 Speaker 1: Hill was another victim that David snatched off the street 231 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 1: in Albuquerque and took to his trailer. She had been 232 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 1: in the house for three days to restrain and being mistreated, 233 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 1: and somehow got away from Sandy Handy and David ran 234 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 1: down Bass Road with the collar around her neck, trailing 235 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 1: a chain, going from house to half looking for help. 236 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 2: But just after that trial began, Cynthia V. Hill received 237 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 2: some unexpected news. 238 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 7: The DA contacted me and told me that David wanted 239 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 7: to plead out and plead guilty for what he did 240 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 7: to me. 241 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 2: David Parker Ray wanted to strike a deal, but it 242 00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:00,160 Speaker 2: came with one giant cat. 243 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 7: Which the only way he would plead guilty was if 244 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 7: his daughter got no time. 245 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 2: In exchange for pleading guilty, prosecutors would have to drop 246 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 2: their case against his daughter Jesse Ray. Remember, Jesse worked 247 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 2: as her father's accomplice and helped to lure victims into 248 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 2: the toy. 249 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 7: Box, knowing that he wanted to plead out on my case. 250 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 7: I was happy that I didn't have to testify. 251 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 2: It's good that she didn't have to relive what happened 252 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 2: to her by testifying at the trial, But the fact 253 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 2: that Jesse Ray got off scot free seems like a 254 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 2: miscarriage of justice. In the summer of two thousand and one, 255 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 2: David Parker Ray and prosecutors struck a deal. In exchange 256 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 2: for Jesse Ray not serving any additional prison time, David 257 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 2: pleaded guilty to more than twenty charges, including kidnapping, raping, 258 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 2: and conspiracy to knap Cynthia V. Hill. 259 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 7: I think his daughter should have gotten more time, but 260 00:15:56,920 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 7: then I had to realize taking it to trial, anything 261 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 7: could have wit and then he could have been let go. 262 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 2: As part of the deal, Jesse Ray was sentenced to 263 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 2: time served and five years of probation, and there was more. 264 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 2: The deal also meant dropping the other pending case against 265 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 2: David Parker Ray. That trial was for the third victim, 266 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 2: Angela Montano, who sadly passed before her trial was set 267 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 2: to begin. Angela never got the justice she deserved. 268 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 1: I think David was protective of his daughter because she 269 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 1: represented his legacy. 270 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 2: All that was left was to formally sentence David parker Ray. 271 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 2: Kelly Garrett arrived at the sentencing hearing to read her 272 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 2: victim impact statement. Kelly said that she hopes David Parker 273 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 2: Ray lives long enough to serve out his full sentence. 274 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 2: David stared at the floor as Kelly said she hoped 275 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 2: he would burn in hell. When the judge asked David 276 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 2: Parker Ray if he had anything to say, he said 277 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 2: he did. He explained that this whole process has allowed 278 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 2: him to get closer to God, and then stoically said, 279 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 2: I can only be sorry for what I did. It 280 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:15,639 Speaker 2: was something that caught his own lawyer off guard. 281 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:20,399 Speaker 1: I do not think David Parker Ray ever expressed any remorse. 282 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 1: I don't think that he was capable of remorse. He 283 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:26,359 Speaker 1: fully believed that he would never be in prison. 284 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:29,960 Speaker 2: And told me so, but Judge Swayzee was about to 285 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 2: change that. 286 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:33,919 Speaker 1: David Parker Ray was sent us to two hundred and 287 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 1: twenty four years of confinement. 288 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 2: It was the maximum sentence. 289 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 3: No human being would ever survive. That. 290 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:49,639 Speaker 2: Cynthia V. 291 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 7: Hill was thrilled knowing nobody would ever go through what 292 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 7: I went. Dude, I think that's what was satisfying about 293 00:17:57,359 --> 00:17:58,199 Speaker 7: him being locked up. 294 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:01,359 Speaker 2: David Parker Ray was head to prison on a list 295 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:05,480 Speaker 2: of charges, but murder wasn't one of them. Even though 296 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 2: he bragged about killing dozens of people in his journals, 297 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:15,200 Speaker 2: investigators never located anybodies. But then in May of two 298 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:18,640 Speaker 2: thousand and two, David Parker Ray told the FBI that 299 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 2: he was ready to talk. It was the first time 300 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:26,160 Speaker 2: he ever agreed to cooperate, and authorities believed he had 301 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 2: information to finally share about those missing women. The two 302 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 2: sides set a meeting, but that meeting never happened. 303 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 1: Well, I was at home with my children helping them 304 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:42,640 Speaker 1: with their homework, and it came on the news in Albuquerque. 305 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 3: David parker Ray has died. 306 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:49,119 Speaker 2: Just before David parker Ray's meeting with the FBI. He 307 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:53,720 Speaker 2: suffered a fatal heart attack. He was sixty two years old. 308 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 2: This meant that David Parker Ray took his secrets with him. 309 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 2: His attorney couldn't believe it. 310 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 1: Well, I wanted to see his body dead, and I 311 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:08,159 Speaker 1: made the determination that I would make every effort I 312 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:11,359 Speaker 1: could to attend his autopsy. I wanted to be sure 313 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 1: that they made the wye In decision and removed his organs 314 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:18,639 Speaker 1: because I did not trust that he would not start 315 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:21,439 Speaker 1: his own heart and walk out. And the reason that 316 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:25,479 Speaker 1: I felt that way was because one night when we 317 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:27,840 Speaker 1: were sitting there at a table that was before sentencing, 318 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 1: and he and I were talking and basically I was 319 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:34,119 Speaker 1: just giving it to him straight, you're probably going to 320 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 1: spend the rest of your life in state custody, and 321 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:43,160 Speaker 1: so is your daughter. Now if you can possibly bring 322 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:47,360 Speaker 1: yourself to cooperate with the Feds, and they were offering 323 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 1: some sort of deal for his daughter, but he didn't 324 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:51,440 Speaker 1: want to do it. 325 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 2: So let's connect the dots here. His lawyer said that 326 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 2: David Parker Ray didn't want to take the original plea 327 00:19:57,359 --> 00:20:00,399 Speaker 2: deal because he didn't believe he'd serve time in prison. 328 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 2: So he goes to trial, is found guilty, gets sentenced, 329 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 2: and then dies weeks later. In other words, he gets 330 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 2: off easy. 331 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:15,879 Speaker 1: This is my first and probably only contact me in 332 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:19,439 Speaker 1: my life with pure evil, and it made me believe 333 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:21,720 Speaker 1: in the incarnation of pure evil. 334 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 2: David Parker raised Bonnie was buried at the New Mexico 335 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 2: State Prison Cemetery in Santa Fe. Nearly a decade later, 336 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:37,120 Speaker 2: local TV reporter Alex Tomlin did a story about Elephant 337 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:38,720 Speaker 2: Butte Lake drying up. 338 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:42,639 Speaker 6: We had kind of a severe drought and the levels 339 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:45,880 Speaker 6: of the lake really started dropping and they were finding things. 340 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:49,359 Speaker 6: And I got a call from a guy and he says, look, 341 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 6: I haven't said anything for years, but with lake training, 342 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:57,119 Speaker 6: they keep finding these tires. And I used to be 343 00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 6: a neighbor of David Parker raised, and I see him 344 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:03,959 Speaker 6: out there filling these really large tires with cement and 345 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:07,160 Speaker 6: dumping them in the lake. And I asked him, I said, well, 346 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:09,919 Speaker 6: what do you think was in the tires? And his 347 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:12,880 Speaker 6: response was, well, I think it's the missing women. And 348 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:15,959 Speaker 6: so there was a lot of speculation about that, and 349 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 6: all I'm thinking is, if this is a chance to 350 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 6: find these women, we've got to cover it. Maybe this 351 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 6: was our next chance, I mean, maybe Mother Nature was 352 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:25,880 Speaker 6: going to catch us a break. 353 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:33,639 Speaker 2: But once again, no body's turned up. Then, in twenty eleven, 354 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 2: the FBI reopened the case of a missing Albuquerque woman 355 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 2: who was alleged to have been killed by David Parker Ray, 356 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 2: and doing so, investigators again searched in and around Elephant 357 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:50,240 Speaker 2: Butte Lake. The FBI then turned to the public for 358 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:53,880 Speaker 2: help and opened the toy box to the media. They 359 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:59,040 Speaker 2: created a website and posted photos of women's shoes, underwear, 360 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 2: and clothing, along with dozens of necklaces, rings, and earrings 361 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:07,440 Speaker 2: found inside the toy box. All of this was done 362 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 2: with the hopes for further leads in the story. 363 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:12,880 Speaker 6: But this is one of those cases it's like until 364 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:15,400 Speaker 6: you get that last piece of the puzzle, there's really 365 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 6: nothing else to do with it. I mean, the toy 366 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:21,639 Speaker 6: box has been opened, people have seen it, his tape 367 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 6: is well known, but there's still women who are missing, 368 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:30,640 Speaker 6: and until somebody says something, you know, if it's true 369 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 6: that he had these other people that he can fight 370 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 6: it in, somebody has to know something. 371 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 2: No bodies were ever found. Instead, the seemingly never ending 372 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 2: story has remained into the area like a scarlet letter. 373 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 1: I think it hurt the local bars. I think it 374 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:52,440 Speaker 1: hurt the vocal restaurants, and I think the notoriety hurt 375 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:55,160 Speaker 1: in a way that the UFO controversy hurt rosal. 376 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 3: In New Mexico, a. 377 00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:59,159 Speaker 2: Local newspaper printed a letter to the editor from an 378 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 2: eighteen year old earl who is upset at the media's 379 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 2: portrayal of the towns of Elephant Butte and truth consequences. 380 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:09,120 Speaker 2: She wrote that one bad apple shouldn't spoil the rest 381 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:12,160 Speaker 2: of the bunch, but the damage was done. 382 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:14,680 Speaker 1: I think it hurt the tourism aspect of the lake. 383 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 1: I think that for a time there was an attitude 384 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:19,359 Speaker 1: that people did not want to go in the lake 385 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:22,120 Speaker 1: because there might be bodies in there. And I had 386 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 1: people around the state tell me. 387 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 8: That Elephant Butte will forever be linked to David Parker 388 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 8: Ray and the unthinkable crimes that he committed. 389 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:34,560 Speaker 2: Darren White, who works with New Mexico's Department of Public Safety, 390 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:36,359 Speaker 2: still lives in the area. 391 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 8: It's hard to move on when you don't know what happened. 392 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:44,919 Speaker 8: It's hard to move on when you know there are 393 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:51,920 Speaker 8: victims out there that haven't been found. But nobody, including myself, 394 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:56,119 Speaker 8: thanks for a second that David Parker Ray did not 395 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:59,240 Speaker 8: abduct women, torture them and kill them. 396 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:01,119 Speaker 3: He did. 397 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,919 Speaker 8: But that is the really bizarre thing about this is 398 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:11,359 Speaker 8: that David Parker Ray is the most notorious serial killer 399 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 8: in New Mexico's history, and we've never found a single body. 400 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:27,280 Speaker 2: Today, two key accomplices in the David Parker Ray story 401 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:32,479 Speaker 2: are free, his daughter Jesse Ray and girlfriend Cindy Hendy. 402 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:35,360 Speaker 8: It's probably the one thing that irritates the hell out 403 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 8: of me about this case is that those two today 404 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 8: are walking the streets free. 405 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 2: Darren White worked for New Mexico's Department of Public Safety. 406 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:48,119 Speaker 8: Because they're just as responsible as David Parker Ray, and 407 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:52,199 Speaker 8: they're equally as evil as David Parker Ray. But that 408 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:54,560 Speaker 8: was part of the deal that was cut. I get that. 409 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:58,879 Speaker 8: I've been at this a long time. David Parker Ray 410 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:03,480 Speaker 8: he wanted Jesse to be free, and so that was 411 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 8: part of the player agreement. 412 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:09,879 Speaker 2: In twenty nineteen, Cindy Hendy was released after serving twenty 413 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 2: of her thirty six year sentence. New Mexico state law, 414 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:18,920 Speaker 2: which has since been changed, only required Cindy to serve 415 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:20,680 Speaker 2: half of her sentence. 416 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:26,359 Speaker 8: And so in twenty nineteen she was released. She served 417 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:31,120 Speaker 8: all of her time, and as I recall, she moved 418 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 8: out of the state. 419 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:36,120 Speaker 2: Cindy Hendy moved to Montana. When locals found out, they 420 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:41,600 Speaker 2: were furious because Cindy, a registered sex offender, reportedly moved 421 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:45,360 Speaker 2: near a public school, and for defense attorney Lee McMillan, 422 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:47,640 Speaker 2: he fears for his own safety. 423 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:50,399 Speaker 1: I think that anybody that has anything to do with 424 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:53,159 Speaker 1: this case has something to fear from Cindy Handy or 425 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:56,240 Speaker 1: Jesse Ray or anybody associated with that group. I know 426 00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:58,440 Speaker 1: that if I see I'll defend myself. 427 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:03,400 Speaker 2: As you can imagine, being the man responsible for defending 428 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,200 Speaker 2: David Parker Ray comes at a price. 429 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,439 Speaker 3: My career was never the same after this case. 430 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 1: I realized how it changed my relationship to people around me, 431 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 1: to the practice of law, and to society in general. 432 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,720 Speaker 1: And this case turned me into a Christian because you 433 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 1: cannot understand this case if you're not a feist. I'm 434 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,119 Speaker 1: very careful about who I take on as a client 435 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 1: now because I don't trust anybody anymore. This case has 436 00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:32,679 Speaker 1: made me more aware of evil and good in the world, 437 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 1: and most criminal clients are weak people who have just 438 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 1: to come to their urges and done stupid things or 439 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:46,159 Speaker 1: bad things, and if they're willing to accept responsibility for 440 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,880 Speaker 1: their actions and get better, I'm willing. 441 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 3: To take them. 442 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:52,639 Speaker 1: If they're not willing to do it, I'm not willing 443 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 1: to take them anymore. I think that this case had 444 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 1: a negative impact on everybody that was associated with it. 445 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,200 Speaker 1: Everybody that's associated with it has died. 446 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 3: In the interim. 447 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,160 Speaker 1: I got cancer and I've had a stroke since then. 448 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:08,399 Speaker 1: I'm surviving that. 449 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:16,200 Speaker 2: In the end, Lee credits David Parker Ray's victim, Cynthia V. 450 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:16,560 Speaker 6: Hill. 451 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 3: If it had not been for Cynthia V. 452 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,399 Speaker 1: Hill escaping, he would have continued until he died of 453 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:24,200 Speaker 1: other causes. He would have continued, and I think he 454 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:27,600 Speaker 1: would have continued to recruit people to continue the same activity. 455 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:29,600 Speaker 3: And I think he did that right up to his 456 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:31,119 Speaker 3: dead Cynthia V. 457 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:35,159 Speaker 2: Hill managed to escape from David Parker Ray's toy box 458 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,679 Speaker 2: and in doing so, helped to bring an end to 459 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:39,440 Speaker 2: his crimes. 460 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 8: For somebody like Cynthia to stand up there with the FBI, 461 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:51,480 Speaker 8: and that was incredibly courageous and important because for many 462 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:56,240 Speaker 8: of us, we see it, we see firsthand. Those agents 463 00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,879 Speaker 8: that worked that case, they saw it firsthand and for 464 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:01,800 Speaker 8: the public who just read about it. 465 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 3: There was a naked. 466 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:05,920 Speaker 8: Woman with a dog collar. There's a face to that. 467 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,760 Speaker 8: It's a human being. She stood up at a podium 468 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 8: and said, we need to uncover as much as we can. 469 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 8: We need to learn more, we need to find the 470 00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:19,440 Speaker 8: women who were killed by David Parker ray. And now 471 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:23,320 Speaker 8: she's become the voice for the women who don't have one. 472 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,919 Speaker 8: And that's incredible. That's so courageous, and I admire her 473 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 8: so much for that because she didn't have to. And 474 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:34,960 Speaker 8: I hope that that brings her, in some way, some 475 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,639 Speaker 8: bit of peace, because I can't imagine the hell that 476 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,600 Speaker 8: she has to live through, because all we have are 477 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 8: those images that we saw she lived in. And so 478 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:48,680 Speaker 8: if there's anything that brings that woman piece, I pray 479 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 8: for it. 480 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,720 Speaker 7: I don't think I'm a hero. It just happened to 481 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,160 Speaker 7: get away from David Parkery. 482 00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:01,040 Speaker 2: Cynthia has found a way to find light in all darkness. 483 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,880 Speaker 2: Today she uses her experience to help others. 484 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:10,440 Speaker 7: I run a nonprofit, coss Straight Safe, and that's what 485 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 7: helps me get through all the darkness. That's here helping 486 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:19,640 Speaker 7: the women that were in my situation. 487 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 2: Safe Street, New Mexico serves victims of sex trafficking and 488 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 2: those struggling with homelessness and addiction. 489 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:32,360 Speaker 7: Letting them know that they're not victims, they're survivors, I 490 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,040 Speaker 7: think is a big message to give the women and 491 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:38,720 Speaker 7: let them know you're not anybody's a victim. Take that 492 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:42,400 Speaker 7: power back from everybody. Once you take that power back, 493 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:47,120 Speaker 7: you're not You're not a victim, You're a survivor. And 494 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:50,480 Speaker 7: I think letting them know that is it's the first 495 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:52,560 Speaker 7: step of getting them on the right track. 496 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:57,240 Speaker 2: Well, Cynthia still lives with the physical and mental scars 497 00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:02,600 Speaker 2: of her past. She does have surprising message for Cindy Hendy. 498 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:08,160 Speaker 7: How do you want her to know that I forgive her. 499 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,360 Speaker 7: I have no hard feelings anymore. I also understand she 500 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 7: served her time. I'm not mad that she's released. I'm 501 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:18,240 Speaker 7: glad she's with her kids. I hope she's making the 502 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:19,800 Speaker 7: best of her life. 503 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,920 Speaker 2: But she does have one question for Cindy. 504 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:28,760 Speaker 7: The only thing I want to revisit is if David 505 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,040 Speaker 7: ever told her where any of the bodies are at. 506 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,240 Speaker 2: As for the other living survivor, Kelly Garrett. 507 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 9: I'm just existing. I'm not living. Some days are just 508 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:44,760 Speaker 9: harder than others, but I have mostly good days now. 509 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,280 Speaker 2: Like Cynthia, she's also working for a nonprofit. 510 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:53,680 Speaker 9: I am a coordinator for a little program called Heartfelt Destinations, 511 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:59,440 Speaker 9: and we take people to doctor's appointments. We are nonprofit. 512 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,920 Speaker 9: We get our money from grants. Our clients don't have 513 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 9: to pay anything. It's a free ride. 514 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:09,000 Speaker 2: Kelly has turned her experience into her purpose. 515 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:13,680 Speaker 9: Sometimes we're counselors. Sometimes they don't get good results. You 516 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:20,160 Speaker 9: have to be compassionate. An understanding feels good. I like 517 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,840 Speaker 9: helping people, especially on the days I can't get out 518 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:24,240 Speaker 9: of bed. 519 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,280 Speaker 2: There's links in the show notes to the nonprofits we 520 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:28,760 Speaker 2: talked about in this episode. 521 00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:33,200 Speaker 6: I mean, women are amazing, right. We bring life into 522 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,640 Speaker 6: this world. We are strong, and those two women embody 523 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:38,920 Speaker 6: that they stood up to a monster. 524 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:44,160 Speaker 2: For TV reporter Alex Tomlin. Kelly and Cynthia are heroes. 525 00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:48,480 Speaker 6: They survived him, They faced him head on and they 526 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:52,200 Speaker 6: put his ass away, and that has to at least 527 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,560 Speaker 6: be some type of justice for them. 528 00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,880 Speaker 2: Prosecutor Jim Yons helped put David Parker Ray behind bars. 529 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:01,560 Speaker 2: He uses this case as a. 530 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:05,160 Speaker 10: Warning if anything comes out of the case for the good. 531 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:09,600 Speaker 10: I hope it's that people realize that there are monsters 532 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:10,160 Speaker 10: out there. 533 00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:14,440 Speaker 2: More than a quarter century has passed since Cynthia Vihill 534 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:19,000 Speaker 2: escaped the toy box, running towards freedom naked with a 535 00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:22,440 Speaker 2: metal dog collar around her neck, and twenty two years 536 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:27,320 Speaker 2: since David Parker Ray died in jail of a heart attack. Nevertheless, 537 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:31,960 Speaker 2: the story continues to haunt the towns of Truther Consequences 538 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:36,200 Speaker 2: and Elephant Butte even to this day. Sitting in the 539 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:40,200 Speaker 2: parking lot of the Albuquerque FBI office is David Parker 540 00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:41,280 Speaker 2: Ray's toy box. 541 00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:46,960 Speaker 10: The town has changed. It's just not as close knitted 542 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,840 Speaker 10: community as it used to be, simply because they had 543 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:59,920 Speaker 10: a monster in their midst and they didn't know it. 544 00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:04,239 Speaker 2: Next time on American Homicide, when the wife of a 545 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,560 Speaker 2: prominent religious leader is murdered. The search for the killer 546 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,360 Speaker 2: will uncover layers of secrets that would shake a town 547 00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:13,800 Speaker 2: to its soul. I'm Sloane Glass. Join me as we 548 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,440 Speaker 2: head to Cherry Hill, New Jersey for the story of 549 00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:30,800 Speaker 2: Carol Newlander. That's next time on American Homicide. You can 550 00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:34,800 Speaker 2: contact the American Homicide Team by emailing us at American 551 00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:39,600 Speaker 2: Homicide Pod at gmail dot com. That's American Homicide pod 552 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:43,640 Speaker 2: at gmail dot com. 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