WEBVTT - Sean Ross Sapp 0:00:27.720 --> 0:00:30.840 Hey everyone, it is the Queen, which is great, and 0:00:30.920 --> 0:00:35.080 you are listening to Eyes up here with Grampy on 0:00:35.200 --> 0:00:38.480 the iHeartRadio Network or wherever you get your podcasts. 0:00:39.680 --> 0:00:44.760 As always, my good, great good friends, the chat star 0:00:44.840 --> 0:00:46.760 is with me. That's how you say it. 0:00:46.920 --> 0:00:48.040 I don't know it is. 0:00:48.360 --> 0:00:50.240 Yes, how are you today? 0:00:50.600 --> 0:00:52.760 I'm doing great to my great good friend, the Queen 0:00:52.800 --> 0:00:53.800 of Extreme. 0:00:53.640 --> 0:00:55.640 My great good friend. I don't know why that popped 0:00:55.640 --> 0:00:56.160 into my head. 0:00:56.200 --> 0:00:56.959 That was awesome. 0:00:57.200 --> 0:01:00.160 I didn't get my dover friends over it was I'm 0:01:00.160 --> 0:01:02.000 not listening. I'll give him a cheap plug. Go on 0:01:02.120 --> 0:01:03.240 over and search to Get My Go. 0:01:03.440 --> 0:01:05.120 Oh my god, I should turn the music all the 0:01:05.120 --> 0:01:05.640 way down. 0:01:06.880 --> 0:01:10.760 They're a fun little uh little YouTube channel that you 0:01:10.800 --> 0:01:13.600 can go and just have a laugh with. And I 0:01:13.640 --> 0:01:17.160 did need my dirband this two weeks ago, and he 0:01:17.240 --> 0:01:20.080 did tell me that my return is eminent. So I 0:01:20.160 --> 0:01:23.240 will be returning for a second appearance on Get My Go. 0:01:24.240 --> 0:01:27.440 And I need to wear my shirt that Mike was 0:01:27.480 --> 0:01:31.679 so graciously nice, generous to give me. 0:01:31.880 --> 0:01:34.360 So yeah, So I'll be back on there. But check 0:01:34.400 --> 0:01:35.040 it out if you have it. 0:01:36.120 --> 0:01:39.039 Cheap plugs to be the best plugs to. 0:01:39.040 --> 0:01:43.280 Have anything cheap is all right with me. So what's 0:01:43.319 --> 0:01:43.720 going on? 0:01:45.160 --> 0:01:47.400 You don't know. It's been a it's been a crazy week. 0:01:47.600 --> 0:01:49.800 You know. I can save it for later if we 0:01:50.080 --> 0:01:53.800 have time. But you know, I had a insane incident 0:01:53.880 --> 0:01:56.240 happened at the house. I told you all about it. Yeah, 0:01:56.280 --> 0:02:00.400 it was crazy. It was quick, but crazy, as is 0:02:00.480 --> 0:02:02.680 everything that goes on in the chatsters. 0:02:03.120 --> 0:02:04.520 I heard you're quick and crazy. 0:02:05.040 --> 0:02:13.560 Listen, jeez. Well, in many ways, we're gonna be getting 0:02:13.560 --> 0:02:17.079 hot and heavy here in just a moment. I got 0:02:17.160 --> 0:02:21.840 off hot. Sometimes on this shows he's ready to jump 0:02:21.880 --> 0:02:22.440 on right. 0:02:22.480 --> 0:02:26.160 Well. Yeah, so a little backstory. 0:02:26.240 --> 0:02:30.680 Last week we had the great Vince Russo one, which 0:02:30.840 --> 0:02:34.880 is always a pleasure because he's wonderful and there seems 0:02:34.880 --> 0:02:38.360 to be a little bit of tension. So now we're 0:02:38.360 --> 0:02:40.519 gonna hear his side of the story, because there's two 0:02:40.560 --> 0:02:42.160 sides to every story, and the truth. 0:02:43.240 --> 0:02:46.160 Vince says he always speaks the truth. So I don't know. 0:02:47.000 --> 0:02:49.840 I mean, I'll listen to him, but we'll see. We'll 0:02:49.840 --> 0:02:50.800 see who's telling the truth. 0:02:50.840 --> 0:02:53.639 I suppose, oh absolutely. I mean I can only say 0:02:53.680 --> 0:02:56.560 that out of all the people who report wrestling, this 0:02:56.639 --> 0:02:58.600 is the guy who I could put at the top 0:02:58.600 --> 0:03:01.800 of the list of the most credible people to give 0:03:01.840 --> 0:03:06.120 the news interesting of anybody, the man himself, Sean Ross 0:03:06.120 --> 0:03:07.480 Sap joining eyes up here. 0:03:07.880 --> 0:03:08.880 How are you today? 0:03:09.360 --> 0:03:12.000 I'm doing good, doing good, Sean. 0:03:12.040 --> 0:03:13.600 I'm still waiting for you to interview me. 0:03:14.240 --> 0:03:15.560 You know what, I maybe like. 0:03:15.520 --> 0:03:17.880 Twenty years ago and I'm saying to myself, this guy's 0:03:17.880 --> 0:03:18.400 stuck in me. 0:03:18.480 --> 0:03:22.240 What if I was so hopeful that we could at 0:03:22.240 --> 0:03:23.680 Squared Circle Expo, but you. 0:03:23.680 --> 0:03:25.080 Had a line. You were busy. 0:03:25.480 --> 0:03:28.520 I was a little busy. That's a good thing, though, right. 0:03:28.400 --> 0:03:29.079 It is a good thing. 0:03:30.000 --> 0:03:32.880 So that's the thing about conventions, like, I'm always really 0:03:32.919 --> 0:03:35.920 fortunate that these conventions will let me come there and 0:03:36.000 --> 0:03:39.360 interview talent, because the main reason you guys are there 0:03:39.480 --> 0:03:42.400 is to make money. And I'm not going to be like, hey, 0:03:42.440 --> 0:03:44.960 can you hold up your line while I interview you 0:03:45.000 --> 0:03:45.760 about something? 0:03:45.960 --> 0:03:48.400 I felt so bad because I so wanted to sit 0:03:48.440 --> 0:03:49.200 down and talk to you. 0:03:49.280 --> 0:03:51.600 But that was like, you know, we had the line, 0:03:51.720 --> 0:03:53.640 and then we were I think we were doing Cold 0:03:53.680 --> 0:04:00.200 Cabana's stage show and I'm also Sanman's handler. Okay, a 0:04:00.200 --> 0:04:04.840 little how do I say on the gummies that day? 0:04:05.320 --> 0:04:08.840 And was flying high, so I was trying to corral 0:04:08.960 --> 0:04:11.520 the troops and get everyone where they needed to go. 0:04:11.680 --> 0:04:14.560 So if we are ever in the same place, I 0:04:14.600 --> 0:04:16.120 am more than happy if. 0:04:18.279 --> 0:04:18.800 It's all right. 0:04:18.839 --> 0:04:21.719 Novia didn't have a line all weekend, so I interviewed him. 0:04:22.279 --> 0:04:24.800 Well, oh wait till I text him later and tell 0:04:24.839 --> 0:04:25.480 him you said that. 0:04:25.960 --> 0:04:28.839 He's great. I love him, He's. 0:04:28.200 --> 0:04:31.520 One of my dearest friends. But he's so over and 0:04:31.560 --> 0:04:32.760 I'm just going to tell him what you said. 0:04:33.320 --> 0:04:36.119 Yeah, we discovered that we live like forty five minutes 0:04:36.160 --> 0:04:39.560 apart too, like we had to you. Yeah, I'm in Kentucky. 0:04:39.640 --> 0:04:41.160 I'm in Lexington, he's in Louisville. 0:04:41.160 --> 0:04:42.680 I was. I was like, oh, hell, I got to 0:04:42.680 --> 0:04:43.880 have him in studio sometime. 0:04:44.720 --> 0:04:46.360 You can hang out with him all the time, now. 0:04:46.400 --> 0:04:49.760 You'll yeah, I'll do that before we. 0:04:49.720 --> 0:04:53.719 Get into the subject at hand, because you know why 0:04:53.800 --> 0:04:54.840 we contacted you. 0:04:54.960 --> 0:04:58.640 Sure, hell did you? And I'm saying all your wrestling stuff, 0:04:58.680 --> 0:05:00.839 so I definitely want to talk about that too, because 0:05:00.839 --> 0:05:01.800 that's interesting to me. 0:05:03.600 --> 0:05:06.839 How did you become a journalist in this wacky world 0:05:07.120 --> 0:05:08.280 of professional wrestling? 0:05:09.000 --> 0:05:11.160 The wonderful Bill Apter is how I became. 0:05:13.200 --> 0:05:16.440 I love that guy, so I have family that were 0:05:16.480 --> 0:05:20.840 in media, just local radio things like that, and I 0:05:20.880 --> 0:05:24.600 always wanted to do something like that, Like I thought 0:05:24.640 --> 0:05:28.159 I'd be very good at it. So along the way, 0:05:28.200 --> 0:05:31.839 I trained kickboxing, wrestling, MMA, all that stuff so I 0:05:31.839 --> 0:05:33.960 can have a better understanding of like what it is 0:05:34.040 --> 0:05:38.640 I was covering and went to college, did that for 0:05:38.680 --> 0:05:42.280 a while and I was looking. I'll never forget it was. 0:05:43.160 --> 0:05:46.640 It was for January fourth, twenty ten, which was the 0:05:46.720 --> 0:05:49.920 night that TNA went head to head with WWE on Monday, 0:05:50.720 --> 0:05:55.320 and Brett Hart was coming back to WWE. I had 0:05:55.400 --> 0:05:59.760 pitched a feature to multiple websites and I was going 0:05:59.760 --> 0:06:01.880 to do this feature because I was falling more in 0:06:01.920 --> 0:06:04.920 love with MMA. I was training at full time, and 0:06:05.080 --> 0:06:07.960 I was doing a feature that was like from the 0:06:07.960 --> 0:06:10.200 eyes of someone who grew up a huge wrestling fan 0:06:10.279 --> 0:06:12.840 that was falling in love with MMA and trying to 0:06:12.880 --> 0:06:14.440 see if I could I could sort of hang on 0:06:14.480 --> 0:06:18.800 to wrestling. And Bill Apter loved the idea and he's like, yeah, 0:06:18.880 --> 0:06:21.560 let's let's get you on and let's let's have you 0:06:21.640 --> 0:06:25.440 doing stuff. And I got accepted by a couple other places, 0:06:25.440 --> 0:06:28.000 but like it's Bill Apter, that's who I grew up reading, 0:06:28.200 --> 0:06:31.320 so I was I was like, Okay, this is the 0:06:31.320 --> 0:06:33.400 guy who was in all the magazines I read when 0:06:33.800 --> 0:06:36.520 I was young and wasn't allowed to watch wrestling. This 0:06:36.600 --> 0:06:38.599 is this is the guy that kept me up to date. 0:06:38.640 --> 0:06:41.239 That's who I wanted to work with. So uh, that's 0:06:41.360 --> 0:06:43.520 that was the first person that ever took me on, 0:06:43.640 --> 0:06:46.440 took a chance on me, and I was so fortunate 0:06:46.480 --> 0:06:49.040 that that Bill was willing to do that and eventually 0:06:50.000 --> 0:06:52.520 effectively got me the job I have now because he 0:06:52.600 --> 0:06:54.640 got he got a phone call as a as a 0:06:54.680 --> 0:06:58.320 reference for somebody looking to hire me, and he's like, yeah, 0:06:58.320 --> 0:07:01.600 Sean Roth, snapsure guy. So I owe everything to Bill after. 0:07:01.680 --> 0:07:02.600 He's wonderful. 0:07:02.839 --> 0:07:06.760 He is one of the greatest men that has ever 0:07:06.960 --> 0:07:10.200 graced the business. And I am in love of wonderful 0:07:10.200 --> 0:07:12.040 Willie and we'll love huntil the day I die. So 0:07:12.480 --> 0:07:15.840 totally agree with that. Something I didn't know is your 0:07:15.960 --> 0:07:20.880 past with wrestling and MMA. So you've you've trained in 0:07:21.080 --> 0:07:23.960 both sports. 0:07:24.280 --> 0:07:27.640 Yeah, I trained in MMA at first, and then that 0:07:27.800 --> 0:07:31.200 school became basically a catches catch can wrestling school. So 0:07:32.040 --> 0:07:35.840 my coach is trained under Billy Robinson. Josh Barnett so 0:07:36.000 --> 0:07:38.520 a lot of the same lineage that Shane A. Basler 0:07:38.600 --> 0:07:42.880 has and the like out of Maysville, Kentucky. So went 0:07:42.880 --> 0:07:43.600 through the little. 0:07:43.440 --> 0:07:44.640 Wrestling school and all that. 0:07:44.960 --> 0:07:49.320 Never really had an intention to fight, train, grapple. 0:07:48.960 --> 0:07:50.760 Full time or wrestle full time. 0:07:51.240 --> 0:07:53.480 But I felt like, well, if I'm writing about this, 0:07:53.640 --> 0:07:58.920 I should train that way, I have a comprehension and 0:07:59.080 --> 0:08:03.320 understanding that way, if I'm interviewing somebody, I can at 0:08:03.400 --> 0:08:09.200 least have some understanding or inquisition about, like why this happens, 0:08:09.600 --> 0:08:11.880 or how this happens or something else. 0:08:11.920 --> 0:08:14.240 It's what a concept it is because nine out of 0:08:14.240 --> 0:08:17.480 ten sheet writers will comment on our work and never 0:08:17.520 --> 0:08:19.840 take a bump in their life. So I'm impressed with 0:08:19.880 --> 0:08:24.720 you for doing so. Even if you don't want to 0:08:24.720 --> 0:08:27.480 be a wrestler per se, you're at least getting a 0:08:27.480 --> 0:08:30.040 feel for it, and you're writing means more to me 0:08:30.160 --> 0:08:32.840 now than some of the other guys who have never 0:08:32.880 --> 0:08:34.000 done anything in their career. 0:08:34.240 --> 0:08:37.440 But can just I appreciate that, And I mean I've 0:08:37.520 --> 0:08:40.800 figured very early on because even in cat wrestling, they 0:08:40.800 --> 0:08:43.800 would have you taking what they call breakfalls. It's a backfall, 0:08:44.600 --> 0:08:47.520 it's a back bump, and I was like, yeah, this 0:08:47.559 --> 0:08:50.000 would not be for me full time, and not only 0:08:50.040 --> 0:08:53.880 that with me traveling, because the funniest thing was one 0:08:53.920 --> 0:08:56.680 of the main attractions of doing this job for me 0:08:56.800 --> 0:08:58.480 is like I can do it at home, I can 0:08:58.520 --> 0:09:00.880 spend time with my family, I can take my grandmother 0:09:00.920 --> 0:09:04.560 who needed it at the time, and now I travel 0:09:04.679 --> 0:09:07.400 way more than I ever did before. And I'm like, 0:09:07.600 --> 0:09:08.560 h hell with that. 0:09:08.640 --> 0:09:11.320 I guess well, you know, sometimes you have to adapt 0:09:11.360 --> 0:09:17.560 to certain situations. You So, twenty ten, you start training. 0:09:18.000 --> 0:09:22.079 Are you do you ever from then to now? Are 0:09:22.120 --> 0:09:25.960 you doing any indie shows? Are you working at all 0:09:26.120 --> 0:09:27.840 on the independent scene? 0:09:28.960 --> 0:09:29.200 Yeah? 0:09:29.240 --> 0:09:32.400 So I did some very very low level stuff here. Well, 0:09:32.440 --> 0:09:34.600 not in Kentucky because Kentucky is a commission and took 0:09:34.760 --> 0:09:38.840 giant pain in the ass. So the worst it'd be Indiana, Ohio, 0:09:38.960 --> 0:09:41.960 West Virginia, usually river towns things like that that would 0:09:42.000 --> 0:09:45.640 have little shows, and up until Fightful started in twenty sixteen, 0:09:45.679 --> 0:09:47.400 it was maybe like once a month, but it was 0:09:47.960 --> 0:09:50.920 very low level, like you'd get anywhere between fifty to 0:09:50.960 --> 0:09:54.200 two hundred people. But I did a lot of regional 0:09:54.280 --> 0:09:57.880 MMA stuff as well, like grappling tournaments. I would do 0:09:57.960 --> 0:10:02.440 commentary on anything, basically any work somebody would give me 0:10:02.640 --> 0:10:06.000 within MMA and pro wrestling at that time, because I 0:10:06.080 --> 0:10:09.800 was back in college part time as well, I would 0:10:09.880 --> 0:10:11.920 take because again I wanted to have as much of 0:10:11.960 --> 0:10:15.760 an understanding as many different facets of wrestling and MMA 0:10:15.840 --> 0:10:18.920 as I could possibly have, because at that point MMA 0:10:19.120 --> 0:10:21.400 was also white hot, so I was like, Okay, I've 0:10:21.400 --> 0:10:24.600 got to put my eggs in that basket too. Since then, 0:10:24.640 --> 0:10:28.080 I've kind of leaned out of that because I there's 0:10:28.360 --> 0:10:30.320 wrestling is just so much more fun to write about 0:10:30.520 --> 0:10:32.480 than MMA, so and I. 0:10:32.480 --> 0:10:36.120 Would think perform yes, MMA would. 0:10:35.920 --> 0:10:42.200 Die yeah, which, funny enough, the wrestling training was much 0:10:42.240 --> 0:10:48.679 more physically demanding than MMA training, and weight classes have 0:10:48.720 --> 0:10:50.640 a lot to do with that, but I mean also 0:10:50.679 --> 0:10:53.800 in pro wrestling, even though it's more physically demanding, I 0:10:53.880 --> 0:10:56.839 didn't feel like I would get injured nearly as much 0:10:56.880 --> 0:10:59.880 because somebody's working with you, not against you. And if 0:10:59.920 --> 0:11:02.800 you go to a grappling tournament and somebody puts you 0:11:02.840 --> 0:11:05.000 in a toe hold, your ankle might snap. 0:11:05.160 --> 0:11:06.000 Like they don't care. 0:11:06.160 --> 0:11:08.800 They're there to get their little metal and they don't 0:11:08.800 --> 0:11:10.360 care if you got to go to work on Monday 0:11:10.840 --> 0:11:12.560 in wrestling. They do care if you got to go 0:11:12.600 --> 0:11:14.720 to work on Monday, because if they're booked to face 0:11:14.760 --> 0:11:17.920 you again the next weekend and they're comfortable with you, 0:11:18.040 --> 0:11:19.520 well then it's a lot different. 0:11:19.600 --> 0:11:22.960 Yeah, So getting in the ring is a totally different 0:11:23.040 --> 0:11:23.920 experience than. 0:11:23.920 --> 0:11:26.920 Writing about it. Did you get the bug? 0:11:27.000 --> 0:11:29.240 As we say, I mean, are you one of the 0:11:29.280 --> 0:11:30.920 guys that it's like, Oh, it's in my veins? 0:11:31.000 --> 0:11:33.439 Now? You know, I can't get rid of it. I'm 0:11:33.440 --> 0:11:36.040 going to do this for life and blah blah blah. 0:11:36.400 --> 0:11:39.040 I thought that I had like a competitive urge for 0:11:39.080 --> 0:11:42.800 a very long time. That's what MMA was doing for 0:11:42.840 --> 0:11:46.320 me and grappling, and is as I found out. The 0:11:46.360 --> 0:11:48.480 first time I did a pro wrestling match, I was like, 0:11:48.559 --> 0:11:51.040 oh no, I have an urge to perform, Like that's 0:11:51.040 --> 0:11:54.760 what I have, and that completely satisfies a competitive urge. Now, 0:11:55.120 --> 0:11:57.640 if I'm like playing sports with my friends, I still 0:11:57.679 --> 0:11:59.880 have that, but I don't have like some big desire 0:12:00.480 --> 0:12:03.720 to compete. I did have a big desire to perform, 0:12:04.000 --> 0:12:07.840 and that was pretty well satisfied when I was doing 0:12:07.840 --> 0:12:10.080 that then, because when I got offered the job that 0:12:10.120 --> 0:12:11.800 I have now, I was like, this is what I've 0:12:11.800 --> 0:12:15.040 been working for for years and years and years. Then 0:12:15.080 --> 0:12:19.840 that kind of satisfied it for me. Then when things 0:12:19.840 --> 0:12:23.120 got a lot better for us at Fightful, I was like, Okay, 0:12:23.640 --> 0:12:26.760 I'm in a better place financially. Now, how can I 0:12:26.800 --> 0:12:29.319 do this to help some other people? How can I 0:12:29.360 --> 0:12:31.240 do that? So now if I do anything like that, 0:12:31.280 --> 0:12:34.760 I do it for a charitable cause, because I feel 0:12:34.760 --> 0:12:37.920 like that's a better approach than me being like, Hey, 0:12:37.960 --> 0:12:40.240 I'm gonna go out on the indies and somebody who's 0:12:40.400 --> 0:12:42.920 actually worked very, very hard for this spot is just 0:12:42.960 --> 0:12:46.720 gonna not have it. If I'm gonna do something like that, 0:12:46.760 --> 0:12:48.480 I'm gonna do it and raise some money for a 0:12:48.480 --> 0:12:49.040 good cause. 0:12:49.400 --> 0:12:50.960 That's good to hear. I like that. 0:12:51.880 --> 0:12:56.080 Yeah, I just saw you training online like on Twitter 0:12:56.200 --> 0:12:58.400 or x or whatever it's called now, and I said 0:12:58.440 --> 0:13:01.079 to myself, Oh, this is because I didn't know your background. 0:13:01.400 --> 0:13:03.839 So now I'm more impressed. But I'm like, oh, look 0:13:03.880 --> 0:13:05.920 at him grappling. This is this is cool, you know 0:13:05.960 --> 0:13:07.480 what I mean? But now that I know you've been 0:13:07.480 --> 0:13:11.640 doing it for years that. 0:13:11.960 --> 0:13:16.160 I had stopped for years, I only recently started back up. 0:13:16.200 --> 0:13:18.679 Because why did you recently start again? 0:13:19.880 --> 0:13:22.240 Because I got offered a match at Black Label Pro 0:13:22.320 --> 0:13:25.440 this past weekend against Shaza Mackenzie. We've had a little, 0:13:25.600 --> 0:13:30.000 uh little online joke feud for a while. Wonderful woman. 0:13:30.080 --> 0:13:34.680 She come on, I know, we already did it. 0:13:34.720 --> 0:13:37.000 We already did a full podcast pulling back the curtain 0:13:37.000 --> 0:13:39.440 because one of our viewers was like, oh, you revealed 0:13:39.440 --> 0:13:41.440 dirt on everybody else, why don't you and yourself? 0:13:41.480 --> 0:13:43.360 And I was like, happily, I'll do that. 0:13:43.600 --> 0:13:46.480 So we raised a little bit more money for the 0:13:46.880 --> 0:13:50.440 National Alliance and Mental Illness. But I got I got 0:13:50.480 --> 0:13:54.600 offered a match against Shaz. It was right here, and 0:13:54.760 --> 0:13:57.199 I sort of gave them my conditions and I was like, hey, 0:13:57.200 --> 0:13:59.079 if you won't let me raise money for the National 0:13:59.080 --> 0:14:02.520 Alliance and Mental Illnes, I'll do it. And they were like, hell, yeah, 0:14:02.559 --> 0:14:04.880 let let's let's do that. So we ended up raising 0:14:04.920 --> 0:14:07.880 sixty five hundred dollars and that's great. 0:14:08.280 --> 0:14:09.480 I was so happy about that. 0:14:09.559 --> 0:14:10.360 Oh I love that. 0:14:11.640 --> 0:14:15.160 Yeah, it was awesome, Very proud of how that went. 0:14:15.280 --> 0:14:18.400 Like she used a boomerang in the match, even because 0:14:18.400 --> 0:14:22.480 she's Australian and that was that was a cool moment 0:14:22.520 --> 0:14:24.760 to see, you know, how crafty she is. 0:14:24.840 --> 0:14:25.800 As a saleswoman. 0:14:25.880 --> 0:14:27.600 She's like, no, we're gonna sign this and we're going 0:14:27.680 --> 0:14:30.880 to sell it and donate that too, brilliant. 0:14:30.480 --> 0:14:31.440 Stuff like I was. 0:14:31.480 --> 0:14:34.360 So I was like, okay, I'll do that. And I've 0:14:34.400 --> 0:14:36.040 had a couple of people asked me to do some 0:14:36.200 --> 0:14:40.120 matches or something like that over the past couple of years, 0:14:40.160 --> 0:14:42.600 but this one, I was like, okay, this. I know 0:14:42.800 --> 0:14:45.400 that she's got a big social following. I've got a 0:14:45.400 --> 0:14:48.280 big social following, and we can raise some money doing that. 0:14:48.600 --> 0:14:52.160 I love that. That's awesome. Well, good for you. And 0:14:52.480 --> 0:14:53.960 this looks like it was a fun match, to be 0:14:53.960 --> 0:14:55.200 honest with you, she's adorable. 0:14:55.560 --> 0:14:56.040 This spot. 0:14:56.120 --> 0:14:58.000 This spot wasn't fun. That was in the back of 0:14:58.000 --> 0:14:58.280 the head. 0:14:58.680 --> 0:14:59.760 You didn't like the keen spot. 0:15:00.400 --> 0:15:04.560 Oh So I had sent her to Canes to bring 0:15:04.640 --> 0:15:06.560 to the show because she drove up and I flew up. 0:15:07.000 --> 0:15:09.040 There was another show at this venue the night before, 0:15:09.080 --> 0:15:11.560 so she left the canes there. They were gone the 0:15:11.560 --> 0:15:12.040 next morning. 0:15:15.640 --> 0:15:17.640 One Sandman might have came and took them. 0:15:17.800 --> 0:15:19.440 There you go next. 0:15:19.200 --> 0:15:21.280 Weekend at the show. 0:15:21.280 --> 0:15:23.640 I'm very impressed with all this, and and the best 0:15:23.680 --> 0:15:25.600 part about it is you're raising money for charity. 0:15:25.680 --> 0:15:28.160 So I absolutely love that's all. 0:15:28.200 --> 0:15:31.840 I'll never I'll never wrestle, do commentary, or perform, or 0:15:31.880 --> 0:15:34.280 do really do anything outside of fight ful for money 0:15:34.320 --> 0:15:36.720 that doesn't go to like something like NAMI or the 0:15:36.720 --> 0:15:40.280 Trevor Project or some charitable cause. I'm in a very 0:15:40.400 --> 0:15:42.800 nice place now to where i can do that, and 0:15:42.800 --> 0:15:44.520 I wasn't in that place a couple of years ago. 0:15:44.680 --> 0:15:47.960 So I'd like to help people, or at least help somebody, 0:15:48.040 --> 0:15:51.120 help somebody along the way, because I think that that's beneficial. 0:15:51.440 --> 0:15:54.560 That's beautiful. I love that about you. Wonderful. 0:15:54.680 --> 0:15:56.440 See, let me just jump into that. See, I don't 0:15:56.440 --> 0:15:58.280 think that there's a lot of guys in your position 0:15:58.320 --> 0:16:00.880 that would be that smart to kind of think outside 0:16:00.960 --> 0:16:04.080 the box to one train to get to know the 0:16:04.080 --> 0:16:07.240 business that they're reporting on, but also put that much 0:16:07.280 --> 0:16:09.240 thought into Hey, I'm going to go into a match 0:16:09.320 --> 0:16:12.200 that I'm going to a donate money to charity, sure, 0:16:12.440 --> 0:16:14.920 and work with somebody that I know that we can 0:16:15.040 --> 0:16:18.080 trust each other. They would just jump at the opportunity 0:16:18.080 --> 0:16:20.200 to get into the ring. They wouldn't care where the 0:16:20.240 --> 0:16:23.080 money's going, and they would never train ahead of time 0:16:23.160 --> 0:16:24.960 to know that they're actually going to have to take 0:16:24.960 --> 0:16:28.280 bumps and be safe. And that's why when you came on, 0:16:28.400 --> 0:16:30.920 I said, you're somebody that I respect in the business 0:16:30.920 --> 0:16:34.280 of reporting because you do your homework. I appreciate that. 0:16:34.280 --> 0:16:36.320 And you know, I've long liked the stuff that you 0:16:36.400 --> 0:16:38.240 do as well, dating back to when I was at 0:16:38.240 --> 0:16:40.640 wrestling inc even like, yeah, no, you always. 0:16:40.360 --> 0:16:42.680 Supported anything that I've done, So I've always given you 0:16:42.720 --> 0:16:44.600 a lot of credit for that. But I wanted. 0:16:44.680 --> 0:16:48.120 I knew there'd be criticism because wrestling is so polarizing 0:16:48.240 --> 0:16:50.600 and listen, people will say stuff to me online and 0:16:50.760 --> 0:16:54.920 I'll say stuff back because who says that I have 0:16:55.000 --> 0:16:57.880 to take that? But I was like, you know what, 0:16:57.920 --> 0:17:00.000 they could say something about it being an intergender man, 0:17:00.320 --> 0:17:02.880 that's fine. They can say, oh, there weren't that many 0:17:02.880 --> 0:17:04.879 people in the building, that's fine. They ain't gonna be 0:17:04.880 --> 0:17:06.520 able to say I wasn't doing the moves right. They 0:17:06.560 --> 0:17:08.280 weren't gonna be able to say I didn't bump right. 0:17:08.320 --> 0:17:09.880 They weren't gonna be able to say I didn't train 0:17:10.400 --> 0:17:12.880 anything like that. So they can dislike me all they want, 0:17:12.920 --> 0:17:16.040 but they the actual work I put in the work. 0:17:16.080 --> 0:17:19.359 But there are some people like Connor Casey Ricaccino. I 0:17:19.359 --> 0:17:22.919 know Brian Alvarez wrestled for years. Sam Laturna, I mean 0:17:22.960 --> 0:17:25.800 she's more of an on screen performer anyway now, but 0:17:25.880 --> 0:17:27.720 I mean she did a lot of that. There's a 0:17:27.760 --> 0:17:29.639 woman named Demon Diva who's done a little bit of 0:17:29.640 --> 0:17:32.800 training as well. I love that it's becoming more common. 0:17:33.040 --> 0:17:35.480 I love that it's like people are doing that more 0:17:35.560 --> 0:17:38.119 because I feel like it's really really important to do, 0:17:39.520 --> 0:17:42.800 is to train a little bit. It's not required or anything, 0:17:42.840 --> 0:17:44.240 but I think it helps a ton. 0:17:45.080 --> 0:17:49.120 I think it's you know, in thirty years that I've 0:17:49.119 --> 0:17:51.919 been in this business, I said it before, like we 0:17:52.000 --> 0:17:54.440 didn't have social media. You know, when we were hot 0:17:54.520 --> 0:17:57.440 R at ECW, we didn't have all these websites and 0:17:58.080 --> 0:18:01.560 you know social media X and Instagram and all this stuff. 0:18:01.760 --> 0:18:04.920 All we had were sheets, right, And if you didn't 0:18:04.920 --> 0:18:07.200 subscribe to the sheets, you didn't know what was being 0:18:07.240 --> 0:18:09.080 said about and you. So everybody always had one of 0:18:09.080 --> 0:18:14.200 the sheets, and you know, certain sheet writers would constantly 0:18:14.280 --> 0:18:14.680 bury me. 0:18:15.800 --> 0:18:19.800 Everything I did was wrong Me. No, I don't even 0:18:19.840 --> 0:18:20.440 think it was one. 0:18:23.040 --> 0:18:26.880 But it's refreshing because I've always said, like you can 0:18:26.880 --> 0:18:30.399 be a fan and you can critique as a fan. 0:18:31.080 --> 0:18:33.800 But if you've never taken the move or have never 0:18:33.920 --> 0:18:39.879 sold something, you have no right to judge anybody hardcore 0:18:40.000 --> 0:18:42.320 the way that some of these sheet writers just go 0:18:42.440 --> 0:18:46.040 after people. And that's why I, you know, after learning 0:18:46.080 --> 0:18:48.680 this about you, I respect you because now you can 0:18:48.720 --> 0:18:51.240 see somebody take a move and if you've taken the move, 0:18:51.280 --> 0:18:53.439 well I've taken that move, and blah blah blah, you 0:18:53.480 --> 0:18:57.439 have the legit opinion about it, where others I feel 0:18:57.480 --> 0:18:59.760 like they just talked out their ass and they don't 0:18:59.800 --> 0:19:03.040 even know what they're talking about, but everybody praises them 0:19:03.080 --> 0:19:05.919 like there's some godlike figure, and it just it has 0:19:06.040 --> 0:19:10.320 always gotten under my skin. So people who take the 0:19:10.480 --> 0:19:15.640 time to actually learn our craft, I like that, and I. 0:19:15.320 --> 0:19:16.240 Applaud you for that. 0:19:16.480 --> 0:19:17.720 So I appreciate that. 0:19:18.359 --> 0:19:21.359 Yeah, that that impressed me so much because there there 0:19:21.440 --> 0:19:23.560 are so many people who have no idea what they're 0:19:23.600 --> 0:19:26.280 even reporting on, and it just, oh my god, it 0:19:26.320 --> 0:19:27.320 gets under my skin. 0:19:27.560 --> 0:19:34.760 So this is refreshing to hear switching gears. Uh. And 0:19:34.760 --> 0:19:36.480 and you know, you say as much or as little 0:19:36.520 --> 0:19:39.280 as you want, it's fine. We just had Vince through 0:19:39.359 --> 0:19:39.760