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Speaker 2: Have anything cheap is all right with me. So what's
Speaker 2: going on?
Speaker 3: You don't know. It's been a it's been a crazy week.
Speaker 3: You know. I can save it for later if we
Speaker 3: have time. But you know, I had a insane incident
Speaker 3: happened at the house. I told you all about it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it was crazy. It was quick, but crazy, as is
Speaker 3: everything that goes on in the chatsters.
Speaker 2: I heard you're quick and crazy.
Speaker 3: Listen, jeez. Well, in many ways, we're gonna be getting
Speaker 3: hot and heavy here in just a moment. I got
Speaker 3: off hot. Sometimes on this shows he's ready to jump
Speaker 3: on right.
Speaker 2: Well. Yeah, so a little backstory.
Speaker 4: Last week we had the great Vince Russo one, which
Speaker 4: is always a pleasure because he's wonderful and there seems
Speaker 4: to be a little bit of tension. So now we're
Speaker 4: gonna hear his side of the story, because there's two
Speaker 4: sides to every story, and the truth.
Speaker 2: Vince says he always speaks the truth. So I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'll listen to him, but we'll see. We'll
Speaker 2: see who's telling the truth.
Speaker 3: I suppose, oh absolutely. I mean I can only say
Speaker 3: that out of all the people who report wrestling, this
Speaker 3: is the guy who I could put at the top
Speaker 3: of the list of the most credible people to give
Speaker 3: the news interesting of anybody, the man himself, Sean Ross
Speaker 3: Sap joining eyes up here.
Speaker 2: How are you today?
Speaker 5: I'm doing good, doing good, Sean.
Speaker 2: I'm still waiting for you to interview me.
Speaker 3: You know what, I maybe like.
Speaker 2: Twenty years ago and I'm saying to myself, this guy's
Speaker 2: stuck in me.
Speaker 5: What if I was so hopeful that we could at
Speaker 5: Squared Circle Expo, but you.
Speaker 3: Had a line. You were busy.
Speaker 2: I was a little busy. That's a good thing, though, right.
Speaker 3: It is a good thing.
Speaker 5: So that's the thing about conventions, like, I'm always really
Speaker 5: fortunate that these conventions will let me come there and
Speaker 5: interview talent, because the main reason you guys are there
Speaker 5: is to make money. And I'm not going to be like, hey,
Speaker 5: can you hold up your line while I interview you
Speaker 5: about something?
Speaker 2: I felt so bad because I so wanted to sit
Speaker 2: down and talk to you.
Speaker 4: But that was like, you know, we had the line,
Speaker 4: and then we were I think we were doing Cold
Speaker 4: Cabana's stage show and I'm also Sanman's handler. Okay, a
Speaker 4: little how do I say on the gummies that day?
Speaker 4: And was flying high, so I was trying to corral
Speaker 4: the troops and get everyone where they needed to go.
Speaker 4: So if we are ever in the same place, I
Speaker 4: am more than happy if.
Speaker 3: It's all right.
Speaker 5: Novia didn't have a line all weekend, so I interviewed him.
Speaker 2: Well, oh wait till I text him later and tell
Speaker 2: him you said that.
Speaker 3: He's great. I love him, He's.
Speaker 4: One of my dearest friends. But he's so over and
Speaker 4: I'm just going to tell him what you said.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we discovered that we live like forty five minutes
Speaker 5: apart too, like we had to you. Yeah, I'm in Kentucky.
Speaker 5: I'm in Lexington, he's in Louisville.
Speaker 3: I was. I was like, oh, hell, I got to
Speaker 3: have him in studio sometime.
Speaker 2: You can hang out with him all the time, now.
Speaker 5: You'll yeah, I'll do that before we.
Speaker 4: Get into the subject at hand, because you know why
Speaker 4: we contacted you.
Speaker 2: Sure, hell did you? And I'm saying all your wrestling stuff,
Speaker 2: so I definitely want to talk about that too, because
Speaker 2: that's interesting to me.
Speaker 4: How did you become a journalist in this wacky world
Speaker 4: of professional wrestling?
Speaker 3: The wonderful Bill Apter is how I became.
Speaker 5: I love that guy, so I have family that were
Speaker 5: in media, just local radio things like that, and I
Speaker 5: always wanted to do something like that, Like I thought
Speaker 5: I'd be very good at it. So along the way,
Speaker 5: I trained kickboxing, wrestling, MMA, all that stuff so I
Speaker 5: can have a better understanding of like what it is
Speaker 5: I was covering and went to college, did that for
Speaker 5: a while and I was looking. I'll never forget it was.
Speaker 5: It was for January fourth, twenty ten, which was the
Speaker 5: night that TNA went head to head with WWE on Monday,
Speaker 5: and Brett Hart was coming back to WWE. I had
Speaker 5: pitched a feature to multiple websites and I was going
Speaker 5: to do this feature because I was falling more in
Speaker 5: love with MMA. I was training at full time, and
Speaker 5: I was doing a feature that was like from the
Speaker 5: eyes of someone who grew up a huge wrestling fan
Speaker 5: that was falling in love with MMA and trying to
Speaker 5: see if I could I could sort of hang on
Speaker 5: to wrestling. And Bill Apter loved the idea and he's like, yeah,
Speaker 5: let's let's get you on and let's let's have you
Speaker 5: doing stuff. And I got accepted by a couple other places,
Speaker 5: but like it's Bill Apter, that's who I grew up reading,
Speaker 5: so I was I was like, Okay, this is the
Speaker 5: guy who was in all the magazines I read when
Speaker 5: I was young and wasn't allowed to watch wrestling. This
Speaker 5: is this is the guy that kept me up to date.
Speaker 5: That's who I wanted to work with. So uh, that's
Speaker 5: that was the first person that ever took me on,
Speaker 5: took a chance on me, and I was so fortunate
Speaker 5: that that Bill was willing to do that and eventually
Speaker 5: effectively got me the job I have now because he
Speaker 5: got he got a phone call as a as a
Speaker 5: reference for somebody looking to hire me, and he's like, yeah,
Speaker 5: Sean Roth, snapsure guy. So I owe everything to Bill after.
Speaker 5: He's wonderful.
Speaker 4: He is one of the greatest men that has ever
Speaker 4: graced the business. And I am in love of wonderful
Speaker 4: Willie and we'll love huntil the day I die. So
Speaker 4: totally agree with that. Something I didn't know is your
Speaker 4: past with wrestling and MMA. So you've you've trained in
Speaker 4: both sports.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I trained in MMA at first, and then that
Speaker 5: school became basically a catches catch can wrestling school. So
Speaker 5: my coach is trained under Billy Robinson. Josh Barnett so
Speaker 5: a lot of the same lineage that Shane A. Basler
Speaker 5: has and the like out of Maysville, Kentucky. So went
Speaker 5: through the little.
Speaker 3: Wrestling school and all that.
Speaker 5: Never really had an intention to fight, train, grapple.
Speaker 3: Full time or wrestle full time.
Speaker 5: But I felt like, well, if I'm writing about this,
Speaker 5: I should train that way, I have a comprehension and
Speaker 5: understanding that way, if I'm interviewing somebody, I can at
Speaker 5: least have some understanding or inquisition about, like why this happens,
Speaker 5: or how this happens or something else.
Speaker 4: It's what a concept it is because nine out of
Speaker 4: ten sheet writers will comment on our work and never
Speaker 4: take a bump in their life. So I'm impressed with
Speaker 4: you for doing so. Even if you don't want to
Speaker 4: be a wrestler per se, you're at least getting a
Speaker 4: feel for it, and you're writing means more to me
Speaker 4: now than some of the other guys who have never
Speaker 4: done anything in their career.
Speaker 5: But can just I appreciate that, And I mean I've
Speaker 5: figured very early on because even in cat wrestling, they
Speaker 5: would have you taking what they call breakfalls. It's a backfall,
Speaker 5: it's a back bump, and I was like, yeah, this
Speaker 5: would not be for me full time, and not only
Speaker 5: that with me traveling, because the funniest thing was one
Speaker 5: of the main attractions of doing this job for me
Speaker 5: is like I can do it at home, I can
Speaker 5: spend time with my family, I can take my grandmother
Speaker 5: who needed it at the time, and now I travel
Speaker 5: way more than I ever did before. And I'm like,
Speaker 5: h hell with that.
Speaker 4: I guess well, you know, sometimes you have to adapt
Speaker 4: to certain situations. You So, twenty ten, you start training.
Speaker 4: Are you do you ever from then to now? Are
Speaker 4: you doing any indie shows? Are you working at all
Speaker 4: on the independent scene?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 5: So I did some very very low level stuff here. Well,
Speaker 5: not in Kentucky because Kentucky is a commission and took
Speaker 5: giant pain in the ass. So the worst it'd be Indiana, Ohio,
Speaker 5: West Virginia, usually river towns things like that that would
Speaker 5: have little shows, and up until Fightful started in twenty sixteen,
Speaker 5: it was maybe like once a month, but it was
Speaker 5: very low level, like you'd get anywhere between fifty to
Speaker 5: two hundred people. But I did a lot of regional
Speaker 5: MMA stuff as well, like grappling tournaments. I would do
Speaker 5: commentary on anything, basically any work somebody would give me
Speaker 5: within MMA and pro wrestling at that time, because I
Speaker 5: was back in college part time as well, I would
Speaker 5: take because again I wanted to have as much of
Speaker 5: an understanding as many different facets of wrestling and MMA
Speaker 5: as I could possibly have, because at that point MMA
Speaker 5: was also white hot, so I was like, Okay, I've
Speaker 5: got to put my eggs in that basket too. Since then,
Speaker 5: I've kind of leaned out of that because I there's
Speaker 5: wrestling is just so much more fun to write about
Speaker 5: than MMA, so and I.
Speaker 2: Would think perform yes, MMA would.
Speaker 5: Die yeah, which, funny enough, the wrestling training was much
Speaker 5: more physically demanding than MMA training, and weight classes have
Speaker 5: a lot to do with that, but I mean also
Speaker 5: in pro wrestling, even though it's more physically demanding, I
Speaker 5: didn't feel like I would get injured nearly as much
Speaker 5: because somebody's working with you, not against you. And if
Speaker 5: you go to a grappling tournament and somebody puts you
Speaker 5: in a toe hold, your ankle might snap.
Speaker 3: Like they don't care.
Speaker 5: They're there to get their little metal and they don't
Speaker 5: care if you got to go to work on Monday
Speaker 5: in wrestling. They do care if you got to go
Speaker 5: to work on Monday, because if they're booked to face
Speaker 5: you again the next weekend and they're comfortable with you,
Speaker 5: well then it's a lot different.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So getting in the ring is a totally different
Speaker 4: experience than.
Speaker 2: Writing about it. Did you get the bug?
Speaker 4: As we say, I mean, are you one of the
Speaker 4: guys that it's like, Oh, it's in my veins?
Speaker 2: Now? You know, I can't get rid of it. I'm
Speaker 2: going to do this for life and blah blah blah.
Speaker 5: I thought that I had like a competitive urge for
Speaker 5: a very long time. That's what MMA was doing for
Speaker 5: me and grappling, and is as I found out. The
Speaker 5: first time I did a pro wrestling match, I was like,
Speaker 5: oh no, I have an urge to perform, Like that's
Speaker 5: what I have, and that completely satisfies a competitive urge. Now,
Speaker 5: if I'm like playing sports with my friends, I still
Speaker 5: have that, but I don't have like some big desire
Speaker 5: to compete. I did have a big desire to perform,
Speaker 5: and that was pretty well satisfied when I was doing
Speaker 5: that then, because when I got offered the job that
Speaker 5: I have now, I was like, this is what I've
Speaker 5: been working for for years and years and years. Then
Speaker 5: that kind of satisfied it for me. Then when things
Speaker 5: got a lot better for us at Fightful, I was like, Okay,
Speaker 5: I'm in a better place financially. Now, how can I
Speaker 5: do this to help some other people? How can I
Speaker 5: do that? So now if I do anything like that,
Speaker 5: I do it for a charitable cause, because I feel
Speaker 5: like that's a better approach than me being like, Hey,
Speaker 5: I'm gonna go out on the indies and somebody who's
Speaker 5: actually worked very, very hard for this spot is just
Speaker 5: gonna not have it. If I'm gonna do something like that,
Speaker 5: I'm gonna do it and raise some money for a
Speaker 5: good cause.
Speaker 2: That's good to hear. I like that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I just saw you training online like on Twitter
Speaker 4: or x or whatever it's called now, and I said
Speaker 4: to myself, Oh, this is because I didn't know your background.
Speaker 4: So now I'm more impressed. But I'm like, oh, look
Speaker 4: at him grappling. This is this is cool, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean? But now that I know you've been
Speaker 4: doing it for years that.
Speaker 5: I had stopped for years, I only recently started back up.
Speaker 2: Because why did you recently start again?
Speaker 5: Because I got offered a match at Black Label Pro
Speaker 5: this past weekend against Shaza Mackenzie. We've had a little,
Speaker 5: uh little online joke feud for a while. Wonderful woman.
Speaker 3: She come on, I know, we already did it.
Speaker 5: We already did a full podcast pulling back the curtain
Speaker 5: because one of our viewers was like, oh, you revealed
Speaker 5: dirt on everybody else, why don't you and yourself?
Speaker 3: And I was like, happily, I'll do that.
Speaker 5: So we raised a little bit more money for the
Speaker 5: National Alliance and Mental Illness. But I got I got
Speaker 5: offered a match against Shaz. It was right here, and
Speaker 5: I sort of gave them my conditions and I was like, hey,
Speaker 5: if you won't let me raise money for the National
Speaker 5: Alliance and Mental Illnes, I'll do it. And they were like, hell, yeah,
Speaker 5: let let's let's do that. So we ended up raising
Speaker 5: sixty five hundred dollars and that's great.
Speaker 3: I was so happy about that.
Speaker 2: Oh I love that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was awesome, Very proud of how that went.
Speaker 5: Like she used a boomerang in the match, even because
Speaker 5: she's Australian and that was that was a cool moment
Speaker 5: to see, you know, how crafty she is.
Speaker 3: As a saleswoman.
Speaker 5: She's like, no, we're gonna sign this and we're going
Speaker 5: to sell it and donate that too, brilliant.
Speaker 3: Stuff like I was.
Speaker 5: So I was like, okay, I'll do that. And I've
Speaker 5: had a couple of people asked me to do some
Speaker 5: matches or something like that over the past couple of years,
Speaker 5: but this one, I was like, okay, this. I know
Speaker 5: that she's got a big social following. I've got a
Speaker 5: big social following, and we can raise some money doing that.
Speaker 4: I love that. That's awesome. Well, good for you. And
Speaker 4: this looks like it was a fun match, to be
Speaker 4: honest with you, she's adorable.
Speaker 3: This spot.
Speaker 5: This spot wasn't fun. That was in the back of
Speaker 5: the head.
Speaker 2: You didn't like the keen spot.
Speaker 5: Oh So I had sent her to Canes to bring
Speaker 5: to the show because she drove up and I flew up.
Speaker 5: There was another show at this venue the night before,
Speaker 5: so she left the canes there. They were gone the
Speaker 5: next morning.
Speaker 2: One Sandman might have came and took them.
Speaker 3: There you go next.
Speaker 2: Weekend at the show.
Speaker 4: I'm very impressed with all this, and and the best
Speaker 4: part about it is you're raising money for charity.
Speaker 2: So I absolutely love that's all.
Speaker 5: I'll never I'll never wrestle, do commentary, or perform, or
Speaker 5: do really do anything outside of fight ful for money
Speaker 5: that doesn't go to like something like NAMI or the
Speaker 5: Trevor Project or some charitable cause. I'm in a very
Speaker 5: nice place now to where i can do that, and
Speaker 5: I wasn't in that place a couple of years ago.
Speaker 5: So I'd like to help people, or at least help somebody,
Speaker 5: help somebody along the way, because I think that that's beneficial.
Speaker 2: That's beautiful. I love that about you. Wonderful.
Speaker 3: See, let me just jump into that. See, I don't
Speaker 3: think that there's a lot of guys in your position
Speaker 3: that would be that smart to kind of think outside
Speaker 3: the box to one train to get to know the
Speaker 3: business that they're reporting on, but also put that much
Speaker 3: thought into Hey, I'm going to go into a match
Speaker 3: that I'm going to a donate money to charity, sure,
Speaker 3: and work with somebody that I know that we can
Speaker 3: trust each other. They would just jump at the opportunity
Speaker 3: to get into the ring. They wouldn't care where the
Speaker 3: money's going, and they would never train ahead of time
Speaker 3: to know that they're actually going to have to take
Speaker 3: bumps and be safe. And that's why when you came on,
Speaker 3: I said, you're somebody that I respect in the business
Speaker 3: of reporting because you do your homework. I appreciate that.
Speaker 5: And you know, I've long liked the stuff that you
Speaker 5: do as well, dating back to when I was at
Speaker 5: wrestling inc even like, yeah, no, you always.
Speaker 3: Supported anything that I've done, So I've always given you
Speaker 3: a lot of credit for that. But I wanted.
Speaker 5: I knew there'd be criticism because wrestling is so polarizing
Speaker 5: and listen, people will say stuff to me online and
Speaker 5: I'll say stuff back because who says that I have
Speaker 5: to take that? But I was like, you know what,
Speaker 5: they could say something about it being an intergender man,
Speaker 5: that's fine. They can say, oh, there weren't that many
Speaker 5: people in the building, that's fine. They ain't gonna be
Speaker 5: able to say I wasn't doing the moves right. They
Speaker 5: weren't gonna be able to say I didn't bump right.
Speaker 5: They weren't gonna be able to say I didn't train
Speaker 5: anything like that. So they can dislike me all they want,
Speaker 5: but they the actual work I put in the work.
Speaker 5: But there are some people like Connor Casey Ricaccino. I
Speaker 5: know Brian Alvarez wrestled for years. Sam Laturna, I mean
Speaker 5: she's more of an on screen performer anyway now, but
Speaker 5: I mean she did a lot of that. There's a
Speaker 5: woman named Demon Diva who's done a little bit of
Speaker 5: training as well. I love that it's becoming more common.
Speaker 5: I love that it's like people are doing that more
Speaker 5: because I feel like it's really really important to do,
Speaker 5: is to train a little bit. It's not required or anything,
Speaker 5: but I think it helps a ton.
Speaker 4: I think it's you know, in thirty years that I've
Speaker 4: been in this business, I said it before, like we
Speaker 4: didn't have social media. You know, when we were hot
Speaker 4: R at ECW, we didn't have all these websites and
Speaker 4: you know social media X and Instagram and all this stuff.
Speaker 4: All we had were sheets, right, And if you didn't
Speaker 4: subscribe to the sheets, you didn't know what was being
Speaker 4: said about and you. So everybody always had one of
Speaker 4: the sheets, and you know, certain sheet writers would constantly
Speaker 4: bury me.
Speaker 2: Everything I did was wrong Me. No, I don't even
Speaker 2: think it was one.
Speaker 4: But it's refreshing because I've always said, like you can
Speaker 4: be a fan and you can critique as a fan.
Speaker 4: But if you've never taken the move or have never
Speaker 4: sold something, you have no right to judge anybody hardcore
Speaker 4: the way that some of these sheet writers just go
Speaker 4: after people. And that's why I, you know, after learning
Speaker 4: this about you, I respect you because now you can
Speaker 4: see somebody take a move and if you've taken the move,
Speaker 4: well I've taken that move, and blah blah blah, you
Speaker 4: have the legit opinion about it, where others I feel
Speaker 4: like they just talked out their ass and they don't
Speaker 4: even know what they're talking about, but everybody praises them
Speaker 4: like there's some godlike figure, and it just it has
Speaker 4: always gotten under my skin. So people who take the
Speaker 4: time to actually learn our craft, I like that, and I.
Speaker 2: Applaud you for that.
Speaker 3: So I appreciate that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that that impressed me so much because there there
Speaker 4: are so many people who have no idea what they're
Speaker 4: even reporting on, and it just, oh my god, it
Speaker 4: gets under my skin.
Speaker 2: So this is refreshing to hear switching gears. Uh. And
Speaker 2: and you know, you say as much or as little
Speaker 2: as you want, it's fine. We just had Vince through
Speaker 2: so on.
Speaker 5: I'll tell it here and nowhere else because I don't
Speaker 5: talk about him on my.
Speaker 2: Own chain the breaking news.
Speaker 3: There you go, but I don't want to interrupt.
Speaker 4: Okay, So you know I had Vince on and and
Speaker 4: one of my questions to him was he, to me,
Speaker 4: he's like.
Speaker 2: A polarizing figure.
Speaker 4: People are drawn to him and people like to argue
Speaker 4: with him a lot, right. And I had mentioned the
Speaker 4: tweet that was going back and forth with him and Babba.
Speaker 4: I had mentioned to you know, he had just mentioned
Speaker 4: something about Triple H. I said, you're picking a fight
Speaker 4: with Triple H. I said, Sean ross Sap, you're picking
Speaker 4: fights with Sean. I've seen you guys going back at
Speaker 4: it back and forth. I know what he said about you,
Speaker 4: and it pretty.
Speaker 2: Much stems to you texting.
Speaker 4: Him out of the blue at eleven party at night,
Speaker 4: calling him a piece of shit for no reason whatsoever.
Speaker 3: That that isn't true at all.
Speaker 2: That's what he told us. No does the start and
Speaker 2: together as friends.
Speaker 5: Oh, I don't want to do any business with us.
Speaker 5: I don't want to do any business together Sean. I
Speaker 5: just I can you know, I can I can hold
Speaker 5: you know. No ILL will towards him. But we worked
Speaker 5: together at Wrestling Ink in twenty sixteen, and I was
Speaker 5: not getting paid enough money to say no to anything,
Speaker 5: but I was put on a podcast with him, and
Speaker 5: the exact quote I gave to Raj Geary was, I
Speaker 5: don't want to compromise my integrity from someone who compromised
Speaker 5: theres a long time ago. For the things that he said,
Speaker 5: I had to transcribe his audio because he wouldn't do
Speaker 5: it himself obviously it's not something he does. But the show,
Speaker 5: we had very good chemistry, we talked well, we had
Speaker 5: very entertaining shows. We're very good on screen together. And
Speaker 5: then I got hired for Wrestling Ink and around that
Speaker 5: or I got hired for Fightful around that same time,
Speaker 5: Vince leaves Wrestling Ink and I'm like, huh, I wonder why.
Speaker 5: Well then I had the follow up call with Fightful
Speaker 5: and they go, yeah, we're putting you on a show
Speaker 5: with Vince, and.
Speaker 3: I was like, ah, set of a fitch.
Speaker 5: I thought that I was breaking free, but you know what,
Speaker 5: I was like, you know what different situation.
Speaker 3: I'm calling the shots here. We can work with this,
Speaker 3: do this.
Speaker 5: And it became abundantly clear, like within three or four weeks,
Speaker 5: like this guy despite being paid a salary to be there,
Speaker 5: because we were trying to launch the site and you know,
Speaker 5: get eyes on it.
Speaker 3: And Vince is a name that.
Speaker 5: At least, whether good, bad, or indifferent, at that time
Speaker 5: in twenty sixteen, people were like, Oh, okay, let's see
Speaker 5: what's going on. But within like three or four weeks
Speaker 5: it became a running joke how unmotivated he was at Fightful,
Speaker 5: and he gave me like one of the laziest written
Speaker 5: reviews of all, Like he was paid to write a
Speaker 5: written review of Raw every week and it was just
Speaker 5: one of the laziest things. And I was like, I
Speaker 5: went to my business partner and I was like, listen,
Speaker 5: he's got to go, like, we can't have this, Like
Speaker 5: he's actively disrespecting and making rude comments about our audience.
Speaker 5: And when I called him about it, his solution was
Speaker 5: for he and I to manufacture arguments on screen, like
Speaker 5: pretend we were mad like work the audience, and he
Speaker 5: would say things like these people think it's real. They
Speaker 5: think wrestling is real, and I'm like, listen, man, nobody
Speaker 5: watching our show thinks it's real. They're watching it for
Speaker 5: backstage analysis and information and a breakdown. These are adults
Speaker 5: that are watching our shows. They're not of some belief
Speaker 5: it's not real. And he said a lot of things
Speaker 5: that were very disrespectful to our audience, and I was like, okay,
Speaker 5: went to the business partner.
Speaker 3: I was like, can't work with him.
Speaker 5: Unfortunately, there was some personal things that happened with his family,
Speaker 5: like immediately after, and I don't think he was planning
Speaker 5: on coming back after that anyway. So fortunately or unfortunately
Speaker 5: that happened, and there was a parting of the ways
Speaker 5: he was gonna get fired. I don't know exactly how
Speaker 5: my business partner handled that, but occasionally, like once every
Speaker 5: year or so, we'd have him on to film some
Speaker 5: stuff and things were fine. However, at some point after that,
Speaker 5: Vince realized he could make more money by being terrible
Speaker 5: to me than being civil to me.
Speaker 3: There you can go.
Speaker 5: Online and find dozens and dozens of episodes of him
Speaker 5: just making fun of how I look, how my co
Speaker 5: hosts look, any any number of things, like I don't
Speaker 5: care if they break down, like the commentary or anything
Speaker 5: like that. Do not care, not a single bit. But
Speaker 5: there are dozens of videos of him making fun of
Speaker 5: how people look, how they sound, any number of things,
Speaker 5: and it all comes back to him saying, Oh, well,
Speaker 5: they think they're in the business. No, I'm in I'm
Speaker 5: in the news and rumor business. I write wrestling gossip.
Speaker 5: That's what I do. I'm very aware of what business
Speaker 5: I'm in. But I can't remember what necessarily led to.
Speaker 3: The DM late.
Speaker 5: At night, but I know he had said something like,
Speaker 5: particularly just rude about me, just really really rude about me. Oh,
Speaker 5: I know what it was, the dramatic watersip I do. Yeah,
Speaker 5: So last year I got into a bit of an
Speaker 5: altercation with a guy who was every type of bigot possible,
Speaker 5: Billy Body.
Speaker 3: We talked about that. Yes, Billy by.
Speaker 5: Every type of bigot possible. He hates women, he hates
Speaker 5: gay people, he hates transgender people. He claimed he was
Speaker 5: going to punch a woman that was a friend of
Speaker 5: mine in the head. He said that he was going
Speaker 5: to punch me in the back of the head on
Speaker 5: site if he ever saw me.
Speaker 3: So, gentlemen, do you work with it exactly? Talked about
Speaker 3: it when it happened because it was circulated around when
Speaker 3: wrestl Khan was sarcast a star cast excuse me and
Speaker 3: Bill so Billy Body is a claim to be reporter. Uh,
Speaker 3: he runs a betting site and again betting site, and
Speaker 3: he's a former Big Brother contestant in the UK. He
Speaker 3: is the worst. He is a complete joke and oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: oh that. You can't say enough about Billy. That's just
Speaker 3: he's a joke.
Speaker 5: He's a horrible person. He's a truly horrible person. Okay,
Speaker 5: And like, if this were about like my opinions on wrestling,
Speaker 5: like I'm not gonna I don't care, Like I don't
Speaker 5: care if somebody says something about that. But he said
Speaker 5: he was going to punch me in the back of
Speaker 5: the head on site, et cetera. So I see him
Speaker 5: at this thing. I wait for him to walk by me.
Speaker 5: It was not on site. He did not hit me,
Speaker 5: but I'm not gonna let him get in the position
Speaker 5: to do that. So I got into his face and
Speaker 5: I said, what's the deal here? So Vince, to his audience,
Speaker 5: pedals this notion that I was mad at some wrestling
Speaker 5: opinion of Billy's, and I'm like, no, I was mad
Speaker 5: that he said he was going to punch a woman.
Speaker 5: I was mad that he let me interject one more thing.
Speaker 5: He was also working semi closely with Vince well, so there.
Speaker 3: Was at closer association with Billy and Vince, and Billy
Speaker 3: also working with K one hundred, which he has since
Speaker 3: been fired from because he was making up stories. So
Speaker 3: of of.
Speaker 5: Whom have asked me to come on K one hundred
Speaker 5: numerous times. I can confirm that too, because Disco and
Speaker 5: I used to be somewhat cool. We were in the
Speaker 5: same fantasy football league or something. And the way that
Speaker 5: somebody told way that somebody in WDB told me about Disco,
Speaker 5: they said, he's the reason people call you and try
Speaker 5: to sell you an extended car warranty. He's the guy
Speaker 5: that buys it. And I said, okay, I'll try to
Speaker 5: not pay too much mind to him, but wow, Vince
Speaker 5: tried to portray the Billy thing as like me being
Speaker 5: aggressive and trying to fight a guy over wrestling opinions,
Speaker 5: which would never happen, absolutely not. But if you tell
Speaker 5: me or say publicly I'm going to punch a woman,
Speaker 5: well then get the hell out of this convention that
Speaker 5: I'm at. You're not gonna be welcome there. And I
Speaker 5: don't care who you are, what you look like, or
Speaker 5: anything like that. And if not me, somebody else is
Speaker 5: gonna boot you the hell out of there, and Shocker
Speaker 5: Killer Cross did the same thing.
Speaker 3: The next day.
Speaker 5: Killer Cross got into the dude's face, made him apologize
Speaker 5: to Scarlet for the horrible things he said about her.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he got kicked out of Rick Flair's last match
Speaker 5: three different times.
Speaker 3: Wow yeah, So Vince is on, Yeah.
Speaker 5: Vince's online saying, you know, he said horribly racist things
Speaker 5: about black members of our team. About funny enough, he
Speaker 5: was like in my face, saying, I'm brown, how can
Speaker 5: I be racist? Well, I don't know read your twitter, buddy,
Speaker 5: But anyway, Vince perpetuated that it was because of wrestling,
Speaker 5: even though dozens of people said, it's not about wrestling.
Speaker 3: This is what it's about.
Speaker 5: And he kind of dug into his heels and then
Speaker 5: he's like, well, why did you call Disco Inferno a
Speaker 5: little bitch on one of your tweets?
Speaker 3: And I said, because he was being a little bit
Speaker 3: about it.
Speaker 5: Almost like he gave this platform to a guy who
Speaker 5: said he was gonna hit a woman, Like what, I'm sorry.
Speaker 5: If anybody on my team said they were gonna hit
Speaker 5: a woman, you're fired immediately, You're gone.
Speaker 3: That's it.
Speaker 5: Not to mention racist stuff, not to mention homophobic and
Speaker 5: transphobic stuff ain't gonna happen.
Speaker 3: So to me, that's where I was like, Okay.
Speaker 5: Unfortunately, Vince appears to be what everybody else said. He
Speaker 5: was not the person that I experienced. Because I can
Speaker 5: deal with him turning in lazy writing or something. I
Speaker 5: don't think he's a bad person because of that, or
Speaker 5: not being motivated at work. Plenty of people aren't motivated
Speaker 5: at work and it doesn't make me think they're a
Speaker 5: bad person. That's what made me go, hm, okay, you're
Speaker 5: knowingly lying about this guy. There's no way you haven't
Speaker 5: seen his Twitter conduct and all that. So Vince did
Speaker 5: a bunch of shows.
Speaker 3: On me after that.
Speaker 5: That's when he had decided, well, I can make more
Speaker 5: money being terrible to Sean, and not only that, terrible
Speaker 5: to my co host Denise, who is a Hispanic woman
Speaker 5: who has had to overcome an awful lot of hurdles
Speaker 5: to get where she is in wrestling, like, had to
Speaker 5: had to work her ass off, does everything she can.
Speaker 5: Picked on her quite a bit as well, but you
Speaker 5: know she's a big girl. She can she can handle it.
Speaker 3: But what he would do. He would like.
Speaker 5: Bury her and then try to get her on the
Speaker 5: show repeatedly, and it would you know, that's not comfortable,
Speaker 5: that's not nice, that's not like, Hey, I'm gonna bury
Speaker 5: you and then we're gonna have you on the show
Speaker 5: to defend yourself, Like that's to that audience. So I
Speaker 5: think Vince had tweeted something about me, and I'm not
Speaker 5: gonna name names right now, but one of his friends
Speaker 5: who is very successful, because I replied, I was like, Vince,
Speaker 5: what are you doing? And this person said, Vince doesn't
Speaker 5: think about you as much as you think he does.
Speaker 5: And I said to him, I bet you one thousand
Speaker 5: dollars I can get Vince to do sixty minutes of
Speaker 5: audio on me within a week. And that guy goes,
Speaker 5: there's no way, there's no way. She's He even said
Speaker 5: he's got too much to do. And I posted the
Speaker 5: screenshots of this after it happened, and uh, he is like, man,
Speaker 5: he doesn't he doesn't care that much. He's like it's
Speaker 5: a bit for him. And I was like, I guarantee
Speaker 5: you he does. So I mentioned our message Vince and
Speaker 5: I sent him the link to the show, and I said, Vince,
Speaker 5: I just want to say this to you directly. You're
Speaker 5: a coward and a joke. And I could tell Vince
Speaker 5: was getting riled up, because when Vince.
Speaker 3: Doesn't have something to say.
Speaker 5: That's when he's riled up. If he's saying something, he's
Speaker 5: in his comfort zone. But if he doesn't have something
Speaker 5: to say back after all the shots he took personally, professionally,
Speaker 5: physically make fun of how people look and all that stuff,
Speaker 5: that's when I know. So when Vince is like lol, haha,
Speaker 5: that's when Vince is bothered. That's when Vince has riled up.
Speaker 5: And this person, this friend of his, when we came
Speaker 5: to the Funny Enough, it was for NAMI as well.
Speaker 5: We did this for the National Alliance on Mental Illness
Speaker 5: as well. I was like, listen, I don't need the money,
Speaker 5: but if you donated it, that'd be great. Well, a
Speaker 5: couple of days went by and Vince didn't do a show,
Speaker 5: so I was like, all right, I'm gonna make him
Speaker 5: do a show. So I tweeted that I'm gonna do
Speaker 5: a show about the interaction with Vince, and then Vince
Speaker 5: immediately was like doing a live show right now, and
Speaker 5: he got on the air. He got on the air
Speaker 5: and listen, Vince can't be mad that somebody's trolling him.
Speaker 5: He cannot be mad about that. That's what he does
Speaker 5: for a living. And about forty five minutes into the show,
Speaker 5: his friend messaged me and said, he's starting to wrap up, buddy,
Speaker 5: he's got to go the full hour. So I hopped
Speaker 5: in the line chat and I felt like I was
Speaker 5: keeping him on the line like those old movies like
Speaker 5: to track his location. I was just trying to get there.
Speaker 5: He did another forty five.
Speaker 2: Chat.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 5: To his friend's credit, his friend not only at the
Speaker 5: hour mark, sent one thousand dollars Tonami at the one
Speaker 5: and a half hour mark sent another five hundred dollars,
Speaker 5: and I was like, okay, that was worth it to
Speaker 5: me now, I mean, Vince has never let it go.
Speaker 5: Vince stopped talking about me for a little bit after
Speaker 5: I posted the screenshots with his friend's name redacted, saying hey, listen,
Speaker 5: because I was I was in his DMS and I
Speaker 5: was like, you should call me, Vince. You should call
Speaker 5: me right now, call me Vince.
Speaker 3: I was.
Speaker 5: Yeah, while he was live and before that too, because
Speaker 5: I mean, listen, I've I've worked with Vince, and I
Speaker 5: know what agitates Vince, and Vince doesn't like to admit
Speaker 5: when he gets got. Vince, really he doesn't like it.
Speaker 5: So during the show, I was actually I was sending
Speaker 5: him all the horrible comments in the chat. I was
Speaker 5: sending them to his DMS, of which he blocked me afterwards.
Speaker 3: But Vince got got. That's what it was.
Speaker 5: Vince said terrible things about me. He said terrible things
Speaker 5: about my co host. He brought up people that I
Speaker 5: don't bring up online for specific reasons, and he knows why.
Speaker 5: He did that to try to get a rise out
Speaker 5: of me. And then Vince got got and now now
Speaker 5: he sticks with it, and now he's very, very upset.
Speaker 4: But I've learned so much tonight. I've learned them listen.
Speaker 4: I've learned that Sean is a worker. I've learned that
Speaker 4: Sean is also a massive ball breaker. Yes, I've learned,
Speaker 4: and doesn't give two shits about anything.
Speaker 5: I don't stand to benefit from having Vince Russo on
Speaker 5: a show ever ever, never. But I just for years
Speaker 5: I just kept quiet about ben So. I was like whatever,
Speaker 5: Like I don't have any issue with him. He was
Speaker 5: nice to me. But when you sit there and you
Speaker 5: cape for a person who is every type of bigot
Speaker 5: on the planet, that tells me a lot about your character.
Speaker 5: Because it wasn't a uh you know what I should
Speaker 5: disassociate with him because he said he was going to
Speaker 5: punch a woman. It was him pretending that that stuff
Speaker 5: didn't exist, and then he turned it into well why
Speaker 5: are you why are you bothered by Disco? Well, because
Speaker 5: Disco did the same thing, and it's.
Speaker 3: Not like a.
Speaker 5: Like a lol, you're a snowflake thing. This guy said he.
Speaker 3: Was going to hit a woman.
Speaker 5: Yeah, A little bit different than were you.
Speaker 2: A fan of wrestling growing up?
Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, big fan.
Speaker 4: Were you a fan of Vincerouso's writing? I mean, don't
Speaker 4: even think about you being working. You were not a
Speaker 4: fan of the nineties Vincerouzel.
Speaker 3: I mean no, no.
Speaker 5: The most I can say that I enjoyed of his
Speaker 5: work is that I enjoyed that everybody had something to
Speaker 5: do other than that, Like I was, I was very
Speaker 5: much not a fan of the type of thing that
Speaker 5: Vince did.
Speaker 4: Okay, because you know how they always say, never meet
Speaker 4: your your heroes, right, and so sometimes like I'm a
Speaker 4: fan of somebody's work and then I meet them at
Speaker 4: a convention and they're totally note and I'm.
Speaker 2: Just like, I want to like this person so badly,
Speaker 2: but there's such a jerk. And sure, you know what I.
Speaker 5: Mean you You will find hundreds, if not thousands of
Speaker 5: people calling me a jerk online. And what I'll ask is, Okay,
Speaker 5: go go show me what you did to cause that,
Speaker 5: because that's that's my thing. I will not go at
Speaker 5: somebody unless they're they're rude or terrible or something like that.
Speaker 5: I brought I blocked liberally online. If somebody's terrible, I'm
Speaker 5: just gonna block them. I don't owe them my social
Speaker 5: media experience. If they want me to unblock them, they
Speaker 5: can message our fightful account, and the fellaw who's run
Speaker 5: that for six or seven years can message me and say,
Speaker 5: this guy wants you to unblock him, and I'll be like, yeah, okay,
Speaker 5: so what energy exactly like? And if people say terrible
Speaker 5: things to me and they're very stupid, I'm going to
Speaker 5: quote tweet it and be like that's a stupid like
Speaker 5: that's that's it.
Speaker 3: And if you can't, I'll tell you.
Speaker 5: The weirdest thing when an adult male online calls somebody
Speaker 5: soft for blocking them. I'm like, you're upset that somebody
Speaker 5: blocked you on on the.
Speaker 3: World Wide Web. Jbl blocked me ten years ago. I
Speaker 3: ain't sad about it. Guy had a reason. I don't know,
Speaker 3: you know, I don't I don't know.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 5: Baron Corbin unblocked me on the air one time.
Speaker 2: Why did he block you? Initially?
Speaker 5: Something about the Bengals and the chiefs.
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm I'm a Bengals fan.
Speaker 2: Oh my god. Really yeah.
Speaker 5: But we had a great talk and he's like, you
Speaker 5: know what, I'm going to unblock you on Twitter.
Speaker 2: Now you changed him? You turned well.
Speaker 4: I honestly like, I love interisso he's I only worked
Speaker 4: with him one time.
Speaker 2: In Tnay You. He was lovely to me and the
Speaker 2: segment was good. I have to amit.
Speaker 4: The segment that he produced was very good. But I
Speaker 4: got to know him a little bit just from the
Speaker 4: online stuff. But I see, I see how you know
Speaker 4: the interactions that he has. And that's why I brought
Speaker 4: up you Sure and Trips and Bubba and all this,
Speaker 4: because I just wanted to hear what he was thinking.
Speaker 4: And now you've been you.
Speaker 2: You were lovely to me, and I told Vince, I said, well,
Speaker 2: he was lovely when I.
Speaker 4: Met him the one time. Yeah, you know, I forget
Speaker 4: Vince's answer. I don't what did he say, something like,
Speaker 4: I don't know him very well.
Speaker 3: Yeah he doesn't. He doesn't.
Speaker 5: He doesn't know me very well, but he knew me
Speaker 5: well enough to bring up my personal life on camp.
Speaker 2: He said, I don't know you very well. That's why
Speaker 2: you're lovely.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 4: I just nice to me when I met him at
Speaker 4: the convention, and that's what I looked for people.
Speaker 2: If you treat me while I treat you well. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I think both of you are great.
Speaker 4: And we just wanted to get your response because we
Speaker 4: always like to give everybody opportunity to say their piece,
Speaker 4: and I don't want to blindside anyone.
Speaker 2: And you know, I was.
Speaker 3: Just well, yeah, I mean sad.
Speaker 5: Vince has entire shows dedicated to being terrible to people.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 5: And then then and he'll say, oh, it's just us
Speaker 5: criticizing the news and podcasts. No, it's it's going at
Speaker 5: people their physical appearance and how they sound and all
Speaker 5: that stuff too. Like that's the entire point of the
Speaker 5: show is to cultivate an audience of being terrible to
Speaker 5: other people, and then specifically when his audience acts like
Speaker 5: that online, he gets surprised when people are like, this
Speaker 5: is kind of toxic. But Vince, until Vince said something
Speaker 5: about me, I didn't say anything about him. And Vince
Speaker 5: is probably still a little bothered that he got GOT.
Speaker 5: And I don't know if his friend told him that
Speaker 5: he made a fifteen hundred dollars donation because Vince was
Speaker 5: dumb enough to do that show. But I'm glad Vince
Speaker 5: was dumb enough to do that show because the people
Speaker 5: who watch that show ain't subscribing to me anyway. They're
Speaker 5: not plopping down five dollars a month to subscribe to
Speaker 5: my dirt sheet, So don't I didn't lose anything from that.
Speaker 2: And so you gained for the charity, which is great.
Speaker 5: Yes, that's we earned fifteen hundred dollars more for a
Speaker 5: charity than I ever would have made.
Speaker 2: You earned it by jumping in that shot.
Speaker 3: And let me ask you this. Yeah, when you were
Speaker 3: I got this is just back to to the hound,
Speaker 3: Billy body, the autograph hound who waits outside.
Speaker 5: I still Sam when I go do media, I go
Speaker 5: do media, so WW will send us the Talent hotels
Speaker 5: to do wrestling interviews, and that son of a bitch
Speaker 5: drags his little kid with him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Francine, So what he does is he does the
Speaker 3: classic remember we reported and the guys that wait at
Speaker 3: the airports with the Funko pop boxes in the eight
Speaker 3: x ten and Sean, you know, I run a memorabilia company,
Speaker 3: so we have to go through the channels to go
Speaker 3: through the engins and go through the guys the right way.
Speaker 3: So he's a hound. We refer to them as the hounds. Right,
Speaker 3: he drags his kid, Francy, and then uses that as debait. Okay,
Speaker 3: when you were face to face with him, how much
Speaker 3: fear was in his disheveled eyes, with his long stringy
Speaker 3: hair when he was doing this thing to you, like
Speaker 3: he was defensive body language wise, So.
Speaker 5: I can I can tell you exactly how that went
Speaker 5: because he has editorialized how it went. And fortunately Brian
Speaker 5: Zane was a couple tables up and Brian Zane didn't
Speaker 5: like him, and he sees this and he immediately is like.
Speaker 3: And starts filming it.
Speaker 5: I'm not a physically imposing guy or anything like that,
Speaker 5: and I hadn't trained in a long time, but like,
Speaker 5: he's not gonna hit me harder than any UFC fighter
Speaker 5: hit me that I trained with, So what is there
Speaker 5: to be scared of?
Speaker 3: Not not him?
Speaker 5: So I was like, do you have a problem, And
Speaker 5: he was like, do you have a problem? And I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 5: that's literally why I turned you around, because I have
Speaker 5: a problem. And I can't remember what led to it,
Speaker 5: but I was like, you said you were gonna punch
Speaker 5: me in the back of the head.
Speaker 3: Here's your chance. You said it was on site.
Speaker 5: He's like, oh, you want me to get deported and
Speaker 5: I was like, ideally, yeah, I don't care if you
Speaker 5: get deported. What do I give a shit? Doesn't bother
Speaker 5: me from the US, he's from the UK. Although I
Speaker 5: literally walked by his tavern that his family owns. I
Speaker 5: was a mile away from his house doing media. I
Speaker 5: was in London twice this year doing stuff. Didn't hear
Speaker 5: from him then, didn't hear from him at all then, but.
Speaker 3: He had.
Speaker 5: He tries to say that he was asking to go outside.
Speaker 5: The direction he was even pointing was further into the
Speaker 5: convention hall than outside. We were right, we were like
Speaker 5: fifty feet from the doors. He did not want to
Speaker 5: go outside. He did not want to fight. He was
Speaker 5: making excuses the entire time, and like, I don't want
Speaker 5: to fight anybody at a wrestling convention either, Like that's
Speaker 5: that's stupid, it's stupid. But if I feel like a
Speaker 5: woman is in danger of being attacked by a guy,
Speaker 5: well then I'm going to do what I can to
Speaker 5: get the hell the guy the hell out of there.
Speaker 5: And afterwards, Conrad immediately heard what happened, and Conrad was like,
Speaker 5: you go me to get him the hell out of there.
Speaker 5: And I was like, you know what, if he doesn't
Speaker 5: bother anybody, don't kick him out because his kid's with him,
Speaker 5: and I didn't know his kid was with him, Yeah,
Speaker 5: because that was his excuse. He said that his kid
Speaker 5: was with him the entire time. His kid was nowhere nearby.
Speaker 5: I only found out his kid was there because when
Speaker 5: I was interviewing Matt Cardona, he kept walking his kid
Speaker 5: by us while I was on camera to make it seen.
Speaker 5: So I was like, yeah, don't do that. But he
Speaker 5: ended up getting kicked out anyway because he kept trying
Speaker 5: to sneak backstage.
Speaker 3: Yes, he was his own.
Speaker 5: He did a podcast about it afterwards. And his kid
Speaker 5: was even like, no, Dad, I wasn't anywhere near that.
Speaker 5: He's like, I didn't know.
Speaker 3: That until after shut up, shut up.
Speaker 5: It was so hilarious because the guy whose podcasts he
Speaker 5: did was like, Oh, tell me what happened. And there's
Speaker 5: the most hilarious jump cut because instead of talking about me,
Speaker 5: he goes on this like homophobic rant and he just
Speaker 5: cut it, just cuts right in the middle, and the
Speaker 5: guy goes, So, what you're trying.
Speaker 3: To say is.
Speaker 5: I was like, okay, but yeah, he a guy did
Speaker 5: not did not want to fight anybody, and if listen,
Speaker 5: if he acted that way towards me, I can't imagine
Speaker 5: what it was like a day later when Killer Cross
Speaker 5: saw him. And Killer Cross is the nicest guy. Yeah,
Speaker 5: he's so wonderful. Scarlet's wonderful, but a lot of people
Speaker 5: don't realize Killer Cross in addition to being a big dude,
Speaker 5: he could have been a pro MMA fight he decided
Speaker 5: to be a pro wrestler. He stopped MMA training because
Speaker 5: he wanted to be a pro wrestler. That was his passion.
Speaker 5: So I'm sure that went well.
Speaker 2: So he just said derogatory comments about Scarlet.
Speaker 3: Just he made up a rumor about Scarlet and some
Speaker 3: of the boys.
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well yeah, I mean that happens a lot in
Speaker 4: this business to the women.
Speaker 2: But who's this guy to make up nobody?
Speaker 3: But he does that all the time. I mean, that's
Speaker 3: that's his mom is. He makes up outlander stuff. But
Speaker 3: then he comes up with things like the Rock and
Speaker 3: Roman reigns are gonna main event WrestleMania. So if something
Speaker 3: like that happens, he goes told you told you, Yeah,
Speaker 3: well he's gonna happen. You know, nobody listen to me.
Speaker 5: And that was the thing that was one of the
Speaker 5: issues I had with Disco. I was like, Disco, you're
Speaker 5: having him on for exclusive news. He's making this up,
Speaker 5: and what he doesn't make up he is very publicly
Speaker 5: reading verbatim from my website, like he got.
Speaker 2: Caught content from you guys.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I mean, like we're doing well, I don't
Speaker 5: care that much. But and Disco was like, oh, well,
Speaker 5: why don't.
Speaker 3: You come on?
Speaker 5: Then I was like, Disco, you've let this guy bury
Speaker 5: me for a year and a half on your show.
Speaker 3: Why would I do like you need me? I don't
Speaker 3: need you.
Speaker 5: Like it's that's where we're at, Like there's a reason
Speaker 5: I'm not asking you to be on our show. Uh yeah,
Speaker 5: Like I don't need that. I don't like And that's
Speaker 5: what I said about Vince. I don't need Vince on
Speaker 5: my show. Me and Vince are very good on camera together,
Speaker 5: but I'm good on camera with a whole lot of people.
Speaker 3: So not that not that big of a deal.
Speaker 2: You put yourself over let these people.
Speaker 3: I do know, so I feel too. It's funny.
Speaker 4: Well, look, I learned so much about you, about life,
Speaker 4: about things, so I'm happy.
Speaker 3: This happened me too.
Speaker 2: This wasn't scheduled. Everyone I see.
Speaker 5: I I didn't know that you remembered who I was.
Speaker 5: All based on square circus, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know, but you were so wonderful to me.
Speaker 5: You're so nice, and we tried to make it work,
Speaker 5: and even like even when I left, you were like, hey,
Speaker 5: I've got a little time, and I was like, damn,
Speaker 5: I'm on the road now.
Speaker 2: And he kind of like blew me off when I was.
Speaker 5: Like as if, as if so funny enough. One of
Speaker 5: the things Vince buried this week was me wrestling that match,
Speaker 5: because he said it was in front of twenty five people,
Speaker 5: and I'm like, listen, I radyed sixty six hundred dollars
Speaker 5: for the National Alliance on Mental Illness. Like, Vince, when's
Speaker 5: the last time you donated anything to anybody?
Speaker 3: Like that?
Speaker 5: Was?
Speaker 3: That was my thing?
Speaker 5: And a lot of people gave him crap over it
Speaker 5: because he goes, yeah, he wrestled a woman. I was like, Vince,
Speaker 5: you booked Medusa versus ed Ferrara on one of your shows.
Speaker 3: Come on, what are we doing here?
Speaker 5: You can't pretend to be bothered by that.
Speaker 4: Anything that has to do with a reputable charity. I
Speaker 4: am one hundred percent on board with it. Doesn't matter
Speaker 4: how silly or not saying you were silly, but I'm
Speaker 4: just saying.
Speaker 3: Oh, it was silly.
Speaker 4: Any but any idea that's silly or doesn't make sense
Speaker 4: or what if it's.
Speaker 2: Raising money for a charity?
Speaker 4: Who cares? Knowres how many people are in the building.
Speaker 4: Who The point is you raised a ton of money
Speaker 4: for a wonderful cause, and that should be applauded. That
Speaker 4: shouldn't be frowned upon at all.
Speaker 5: It certainly was silly, though I did an atomic drop,
Speaker 5: and because she's got such a big ass I sold
Speaker 5: my knee.
Speaker 4: So I've done spots where I can like look back
Speaker 4: and say, oh my god, ridiculous.
Speaker 2: But it got a pop and it was fun and
Speaker 2: it got over.
Speaker 5: So who cares our social media?
Speaker 3: Our social media guy.
Speaker 5: Told me we have as of today, one point four
Speaker 5: million views on clips of that.
Speaker 2: That's how silly that is.
Speaker 5: So I just want to say, uh, I can tell
Speaker 5: you the number of times T and A drew one
Speaker 5: point four million under Vince Russo spitting facts.
Speaker 3: I'm saying that's awesome.
Speaker 4: Where can people find you and you know, look at
Speaker 4: your content online?
Speaker 5: I am currently uh moving, I'm now renting out space
Speaker 5: in Vince Russo's head.
Speaker 3: People can find me there.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna have a permanent residence there after this show,
Speaker 5: so people can find me Russo's brand dot com because
Speaker 5: he needs the subscriptions a whole lot.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 4: Okay, So I'm gonna plug Fight Fault with you to
Speaker 4: fight full and read some of Sean stuff. Look up
Speaker 4: that video of him wrestling one point for mel We
Speaker 4: can get it.
Speaker 3: Or don't or don't at all.
Speaker 4: I want I'm gonna look at off as un as
Speaker 4: this is over. I want to see it in bull
Speaker 4: You were delightful. I appreciate you coming on, and hopefully
Speaker 4: I get to sit down with.
Speaker 2: You sometime in the future. I hope discuss life in
Speaker 2: my ridiculous you know what I'm gonna Oh no, I
Speaker 2: can wait over this, you can.
Speaker 3: I got this Blu Ray.
Speaker 2: Look at that.
Speaker 5: I did a rewatch of This is a it's a
Speaker 5: bootlet Blu Ray, but it's the original presentations of all
Speaker 5: the e c W and TNN.
Speaker 3: Was not our best, our latest YouTube video.
Speaker 5: I loved it because that's what I had. I didn't
Speaker 5: get to watch hardcore TV. I had ec W and TNN,
Speaker 5: so that was like my introduction to it.
Speaker 3: And I was like, you.
Speaker 4: Missed out on the lot because the syndicated show was
Speaker 4: fire compared to that.
Speaker 5: Oh I went back and watched it, fortunately, But but
Speaker 5: I I did a rewatch of that recently and oh god,
Speaker 5: I loved it. I'm I'm a sucker for it.
Speaker 2: I appreciate that because that's that's that's me.
Speaker 5: That's so thank you all so much for having me on.
Speaker 3: It means so much.
Speaker 4: On and hopefully next year I'm booked a lot. I'm
Speaker 4: excited about it. I'll run into you somewhere.
Speaker 2: I'm sure.
Speaker 3: Oh we we will.
Speaker 2: For sure.
Speaker 4: Don't blow me off this time, okay, could I would
Speaker 4: never collab.
Speaker 3: We'll do something, Yes, we will. You've seen her swing
Speaker 3: that cane on that DVD. It's not it's not pretty.
Speaker 3: So I don't need any more that.
Speaker 2: You were great. Thanks for coming on. We appreciate it.
Speaker 3: Good luck with everything, Thank you all. So yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, it kind of made me sad that we
Speaker 3: had such strife between our recording day.
Speaker 4: Ill about Vince, Like those things I never thought would
Speaker 4: come out of Vince's mouth.
Speaker 2: So it's like again he said, he said, I wasn't there.
Speaker 4: What's the deal? Who's telling the truth, who's lying? You know,
Speaker 4: it's it's a tough one. I have respect for both
Speaker 4: guys though, because I feel like they both have a
Speaker 4: lot to the wrestling community and the wrestling business. So
Speaker 4: let me go on record with that.
Speaker 3: I remember when all that was going down. I watched
Speaker 3: the videos, you know, I remember it, all the fighting
Speaker 3: that they were doing. You know, obviously you can't be
Speaker 3: on the inside. That's only between the two people, but
Speaker 3: we heard both sides. If you listen to both of
Speaker 3: these podcasts, so you know, your your opinion now is
Speaker 3: your opinion. But you know again, just like you said,
Speaker 3: Shawn's nothing but good to me. Since I've been podcasting
Speaker 3: and reported on stuff and shared stuff and been great.
Speaker 3: Vince helped me very much in podcasting house. This show
Speaker 3: for a little bit, took care of us with the
Speaker 3: Triple Threat podcast. I have nothing but love for Vince
Speaker 3: Russo as well. So people. Not everybody loves each other,
Speaker 3: so unfortunately the way the cookie crumbles.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, unfortunate. Then, like you said, not everybody gets along.
Speaker 4: We all have our foes and nemesis in this world,
Speaker 4: and you know, some choose to confront in and others
Speaker 4: choose to just ignore. And I don't know, it's just
Speaker 4: sad to I just want everyone to get along.
Speaker 2: All just get along.
Speaker 3: I'm to say, who said it? Can't we all just
Speaker 3: get along?
Speaker 2: I don't remember, but I remember that that phrase.
Speaker 4: But you know, I like the charity aspect and I
Speaker 4: like that he's a reporter who actually took a bump.
Speaker 2: That impressed me because not many of them do.
Speaker 4: And you know they will be the first to tell
Speaker 4: you you are the drizzling shits when they have no
Speaker 4: idea what the bump entails, you know how to sell,
Speaker 4: how to psychology everything. They know nothing about it, yet
Speaker 4: they can critique and comment till their heart's desire.
Speaker 3: I can't remember if it was Bully with us, Bubba,
Speaker 3: excuse me, I don't mean to call him Bully in
Speaker 3: your presence. I can't remember if it was Bubba or
Speaker 3: if it was somebody else off our airwaves that said
Speaker 3: that only people who have not been in the business
Speaker 3: use the phrase work rate.
Speaker 2: Oh true, Probably if Bubba said it.
Speaker 3: I think I feel like it was Bubba. Maybe it
Speaker 3: wasn't on our show, but I feel like I heard
Speaker 3: somebody say that recently. That is of the Bubba stature.
Speaker 3: And you know, a guy who reports on it that
Speaker 3: took a bump, that did it, is going to tell
Speaker 3: you something a little bit more accurate than say, you know,
Speaker 3: I don't want to use the stereotypical. Yeah, you know
Speaker 3: thought of what a wrestling journalist is, but you get
Speaker 3: the you get the picture in your head. He's not it,
Speaker 3: but you know, to make say something work greater, this
Speaker 3: guy is the great worker. When you don't essentially know
Speaker 3: what a worker is.
Speaker 6: It it's okay to be a fan and it's okay
Speaker 6: to have an opinion, but when people look at you
Speaker 6: like you're a god and you're you're spewing hate and
Speaker 6: you have no idea what you're talking about.
Speaker 2: That irritates me.
Speaker 4: When you've never taken a bump in your life or
Speaker 4: never worked a show, you know you you have insider
Speaker 4: information because one of the guys is a stooge and
Speaker 4: he tells you stuff that doesn't make you a good journalist,
Speaker 4: that doesn't make you an expert on how to work
Speaker 4: or take a bump or you know, practice psychology in
Speaker 4: your match. And that's what gets under my skin. When
Speaker 4: all these fans and I could use the term mark
Speaker 4: if I want it to, but we're all marks. I
Speaker 4: say that all the time. But when they look at
Speaker 4: these certain journalists as godlike, yeah, makes me sick to
Speaker 4: my stomach. They know what the stooge tells them and
Speaker 4: they report it big deal.
Speaker 2: That irritates me. And now I'm irritating that's a lot.
Speaker 3: It's the I mean, yeah, it's just it's it's Studi's
Speaker 3: you're getting paid to stooge most of the time.
Speaker 2: More.
Speaker 3: I mean, look in the eighties and in the nineties,
Speaker 3: when there wasn't a lot of wrestling reporting, and there
Speaker 3: weren't outlets like the Internet to put this news out
Speaker 3: like that. We had to live off of those little
Speaker 3: outlets that were out there because you wanted to know
Speaker 3: what was going on on the inside, right, But the
Speaker 3: people that gave the news to those guys got buried,
Speaker 3: you know, they were vehemently despised. I never wanted to
Speaker 3: be a wrestler. That was literally never ever. And when
Speaker 3: last week's episode with Vincey talked about people's dreams, all
Speaker 3: the wrestlers today, my dream was to be the champion.
Speaker 3: My dream was this. I never wanted to be a wrestler.
Speaker 3: I just wanted to be around owned the business. So
Speaker 3: I was able to do that, and guess what, I
Speaker 3: didn't love it. So I do this as my outlet.
Speaker 3: He took the bumps he had a match this weekend.
Speaker 3: Good for him. I give him all the credit in
Speaker 3: the world. I'm sure he feels it in his back
Speaker 3: this morning, you know, or in the back of his
Speaker 3: head with the cane shots that he took. So I
Speaker 3: can't say any of the other journalists are doing that.
Speaker 2: You know, there's a way too to be a civilized.
Speaker 4: Human being and report things with kuth and with you know,
Speaker 4: a sense of compassion and not be so hateful towards
Speaker 4: other people, especially towards women. There's a way to go
Speaker 4: about things, and some of these journalists just don't get it.
Speaker 2: They didn't get it in.
Speaker 4: The nineties and they still are reporting today and they
Speaker 4: don't get it today. So that's why I've never had
Speaker 4: any respect for them. Number one for the way that
Speaker 4: they write, because they're just hateful human beings. But number two,
Speaker 4: because they have not trained, and they have not taken
Speaker 4: a bump, and they have not, you know, experience what
Speaker 4: we have. And it's okay to say you're not a
Speaker 4: fan or you don't like somebody's work, but when you
Speaker 4: take it fifty steps above that and just insult them
Speaker 4: every chance you get and just berate them as a
Speaker 4: human being, that is so far beyond the sport of wrestling,
Speaker 4: and it's not necessary. And there are reporters who are
Speaker 4: like that, and I just find that they should not
Speaker 4: be in this business, let alone be paid forty five
Speaker 4: to fifty dollars for their autograph at wrestling makes me
Speaker 4: sick to my stomach.
Speaker 3: You know, I just I should have thought about this
Speaker 3: when Sean was on. You know, back to Vince Russo.
Speaker 3: You know, if we're giving Seawan credit for you know,
Speaker 3: taking the bumps and learning the business from that side, right,
Speaker 3: Vince gets panned, yes, for what he did as being
Speaker 3: a writer, but also then being a performer. Now, Vince
Speaker 3: learned to train all the way back. Guess where in
Speaker 3: Gleason's gym mm hmm with Johnny Rods. You know Johnny
Speaker 3: Rods trained Big Veto and I mean he might have
Speaker 3: did he also train Taz I believe so Johnny Rod Yeah,
Speaker 3: Johnny Rods. So, I mean that's a pedigree like not
Speaker 3: many people have. So, but Vince Russo gets panned for
Speaker 3: what he did in w CW all we put himself
Speaker 3: over all, we put the belt on himself. He did
Speaker 3: this and that. But Vince took the licks, yeah, learn
Speaker 3: how to do the move or that took the bumps
Speaker 3: in the business.
Speaker 4: So he was one of the boys. He wasn't entertainer.
Speaker 4: He wasn't just a writer, you know what. He wasn't
Speaker 4: on air talent. And you could say the same for
Speaker 4: Paul Haman. Yeah, all run the company, but he was
Speaker 4: also an on air talent. Before ECW came around. So
Speaker 4: anybody who's worked and who's been in front of that
Speaker 4: live crowd and who's taken a bump, I had the
Speaker 4: utmost respect.
Speaker 2: For an appreciation.
Speaker 4: I just don't like these sheet writers who just go
Speaker 4: off on tander and insult and be great and you know,
Speaker 4: make people cry because I've cried.
Speaker 2: I there's there's no room for it.
Speaker 4: It's it's not necessary unless you have like a legit
Speaker 4: beef with somebody and you want to go ahead to
Speaker 4: head like these guys are. I never even met these
Speaker 4: sheep wriiters. You know, this is back thirty years ago.
Speaker 4: I never even met them face to face. So to
Speaker 4: make a little girl cry, I think that that's like
Speaker 4: just the coward move, and an easy one at that.
Speaker 4: And to have all these disciples just follow you wherever
Speaker 4: you go and tell you how great you are just makes.
Speaker 2: Me sick to my stomach.
Speaker 3: So amenswer today.
Speaker 4: Anyway, great episode, wonderful week here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, hey my water tank burst. A guy wanted to
Speaker 3: charge me twelve hundred bucks. The part was the part
Speaker 3: was forty and my guy charged me sixty. End of story.
Speaker 3: That was my thing from earlier.
Speaker 2: That's terrible.
Speaker 4: I'm glad you didn't pay all that money. Yeah, hideous.
Speaker 2: You can't work a worker, That's all I have to say.
Speaker 2: Where can people find you if they need to? And
Speaker 2: we have to plug? We got a YouTube live coming up.
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Speaker 3: exclusives on Instagram. Go to ibexclusives dot com for anything
Speaker 3: going on in my world and I'll let you plug
Speaker 3: all the YouTube greatness.
Speaker 2: So I believe this drops on Tuesday.
Speaker 3: Oh I don't know. I feel like this should be rushed.
Speaker 2: It's the nineteenth. Well, no, because we have to wait
Speaker 2: because we have last week.
Speaker 3: This is gonna be a this is crazy.
Speaker 2: Just let you know.
Speaker 4: We've taped two episodes in one day, and you know
Speaker 4: we have to put them up in the order that
Speaker 4: they were recorded.
Speaker 2: But I believe this might drop on the nineteenth.
Speaker 4: So the twenty first, which is a Thursday, we are
Speaker 4: having a Christmas live stream on YouTube.
Speaker 2: Are I date? It's correct?
Speaker 3: Let me let me confirm this here or maybe no?
Speaker 3: Maybe oh you are the this is dropping on the nineteenth.
Speaker 3: We are having a YouTube twenty first.
Speaker 2: That's what I said. Okay, okay, I haven't written down right, here.
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