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<v Speaker 4>Can you tell us the process of somebody wants to

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<v Speaker 4>become a sports agent? Right? What how do you become

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<v Speaker 4>a sports agent? Do you have to go to law school?

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<v Speaker 4>You have to have a degree, you have to pass

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<v Speaker 4>a test, like what do you have to do?

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<v Speaker 2>Like?

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<v Speaker 3>What are you studying?

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<v Speaker 6>So the NFL requires that you have a post secondary degree.

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<v Speaker 6>The NBA, I think, is just an undergrad In baseball,

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<v Speaker 6>I think you just have to have a client, if

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<v Speaker 6>I'm not mistaken. So depending on the sport, every everything

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<v Speaker 6>is determined by a players. So if you want to

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<v Speaker 6>be an agent, you have to go to the NFL

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<v Speaker 6>p A and go do your research on that process.

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<v Speaker 6>So what the NFL requires Do you have a post

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<v Speaker 6>secondary degree? They don't really say what that post secondary

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<v Speaker 6>degree is. I knew I want to be an agent

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<v Speaker 6>at a early age. Number talked to a lot of

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<v Speaker 6>different agents. I was talking about their law degree, and

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<v Speaker 6>a lot of them are saying, yeah, it's a great,

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<v Speaker 6>you know option for fallback plan if I just want

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<v Speaker 6>to be a lawyer. But it doesn't necessarily help me

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<v Speaker 6>in this pardicular standardized contract.

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<v Speaker 3>The NFL is a.

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<v Speaker 6>Standard you know, there's nineteen NFL players, there's standardized contracts,

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<v Speaker 6>so you really know negotiating to sticks. Then you are

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<v Speaker 6>actual legal jargon. So I heard that, it was like, cool,

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<v Speaker 6>I'll just go get a master's. And actually at the time,

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<v Speaker 6>it was a master's in Sports Industry management for Georgetown

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<v Speaker 6>and they had a number of nfl PA advisors that

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<v Speaker 6>worked there, and I was like, man, that's a good connection,

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<v Speaker 6>and it made sense. So that's why I ended up doing.

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<v Speaker 3>So.

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<v Speaker 6>The requirement for the NFL is undergrad and then post

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<v Speaker 6>secondary post secondary degree, whether that be a law degree.

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<v Speaker 3>Or anything in that.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, and then but then you have to.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh, yeah, I'm sorry, that's just the qualifications in order

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<v Speaker 6>to take the test. And then there's a there's a

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<v Speaker 6>test you take and you take it over two days,

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<v Speaker 6>well not two days. The first day you go down there,

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<v Speaker 6>they help you to kind of get an old the

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<v Speaker 6>book to Washington, d C. So that's where the nfl

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<v Speaker 6>PA is, NFL Player Association is down and down down

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<v Speaker 6>in d C. And while you're there, you go there

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<v Speaker 6>the first day, it's kind of an open book. They

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<v Speaker 6>try to kind of help you through it. But if

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<v Speaker 6>you didn't know that stuff going in. You're not going

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<v Speaker 6>to pass that exam the next day, and the next

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<v Speaker 6>day it's an eight hour exam, and then a couple

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<v Speaker 6>of months later they tell you whether or not you

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<v Speaker 6>passed the exam.

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<v Speaker 4>So what's on what's in the exam?

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<v Speaker 6>Like what understanding the contracts, like Brandon saying, Randham was

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<v Speaker 6>saying that, you know, you're not always you're never on

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<v Speaker 6>a team.

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<v Speaker 3>So you have to understand the in betweens of those things.

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<v Speaker 6>So like the practice squad, what their salaries are, what

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<v Speaker 6>the benefits are, what the guy's gonna make, what's the

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<v Speaker 6>standardized contract look like, what's the big salary for rookies,

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<v Speaker 6>all those kind of things. And in addition to that,

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<v Speaker 6>it's other contract legal jargons, things.

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<v Speaker 3>That have gone on and the like.

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<v Speaker 6>For example, in certain guys you have escalators based on

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<v Speaker 6>certain play times. You have to understand the intricacies of

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<v Speaker 6>a contract and in addition to that player benefits, because

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<v Speaker 6>that's what you are as an agent.

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<v Speaker 3>You're supposed to be a fiducial.

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<v Speaker 6>Responsibility for these players, to be a player advocate for them.

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<v Speaker 6>So that's what they try to jam into this one test.

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<v Speaker 7>So even like before Brandon had said that information, it

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<v Speaker 7>was new to me. So your time at Georgetown, were

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<v Speaker 7>there connections that you had that informs you about some

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<v Speaker 7>of these things? Or was there like literature that you

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<v Speaker 7>actually had to research to find out?

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<v Speaker 6>So I had been reading the CBA since I told

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<v Speaker 6>you I was fourteen. Yeah, I'm sorry I used the

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<v Speaker 6>term jargon, I guess. Yeah, the Collective Bargain Agreement. I

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<v Speaker 6>had been reading that since I was fourteen. I was

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<v Speaker 6>prepared for that test at twenty one. I knew that

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<v Speaker 6>test like I literally felt.

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<v Speaker 4>Like you were reading Collective Bargaining Agreement at fourteen.

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<v Speaker 6>Yes, I was literally yeah, I mean literally like mom, Mom,

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<v Speaker 6>when I determined that I want to.

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<v Speaker 3>Do something, I'm just focused on that one thing.

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<v Speaker 4>But the average person that may not be reading the

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<v Speaker 4>Collective Bargaining at.

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<v Speaker 3>Fourteen, Okay, I mean yeah, that's definitely skimming it for sure.

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<v Speaker 3>I had no. I definitely was.

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<v Speaker 6>Ready for that test because I remember writing a like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>thesis on that, like not thesis, but like a report

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<v Speaker 6>on it at like twenty one, and I was like, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>I got this test.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm ready for it.

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<v Speaker 4>So say a kid in college or even out of

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<v Speaker 4>college has a four year degree, because that's what you need, right,

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<v Speaker 4>a four year degree. You have a four year degree

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<v Speaker 4>and you want to be a sports agent. Do they

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<v Speaker 4>have Okay, they.

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<v Speaker 6>Got to go to grad school too, go to grad school. Yes,

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<v Speaker 6>you got to post secondary degree.

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<v Speaker 3>So could that person have a degree in like sports management? Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>sports management. So my degree is a master's of sports Management.

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<v Speaker 3>But we took business classes and addition with that. And

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<v Speaker 3>it has to do you have a degree in anything

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<v Speaker 3>that the way that the rules.

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<v Speaker 6>Are set up right now, then if you have a

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<v Speaker 6>post secondary degree in geography and anything, you can sit

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<v Speaker 6>for the agent in biology. The rule state post secondary degree.

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<v Speaker 6>They don't say post secondary game business. They don't say law,

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<v Speaker 6>and it'so an NBA. It says post second.

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<v Speaker 4>So where do you get study material? Like how do

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<v Speaker 4>you do they have like Caplin online study? Like how

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<v Speaker 4>do you study for it?

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<v Speaker 6>So at the time, there was some guys out there

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<v Speaker 6>that were that's what their business were. They were helping

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<v Speaker 6>players or not helping agents or perspective agents to study

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<v Speaker 6>for the exams because they're not necessarily they're pretty complex terms.

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<v Speaker 6>But I don't know if they're still out there now,

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<v Speaker 6>but the collective Bargain agreement you can google and TIPEDDF

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<v Speaker 6>that comes right off the NFLPA website. It's not the

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<v Speaker 6>most interesting read, but you know, you can get to

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<v Speaker 6>the points where it's like, oh, they're a good things.

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<v Speaker 6>There's like fun stuff to read, like salaries and have

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<v Speaker 6>those work and base salaries. And then you read about

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<v Speaker 6>like like poison pill, which is something that Deon Sanders

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<v Speaker 6>got put in his contract back in the day. So

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<v Speaker 6>those kind of things are it's basically a pill that

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<v Speaker 6>basically required there's something where Deon Sanders, if he had

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<v Speaker 6>played a certain amount of STAPs, they had to they

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<v Speaker 6>had to give him an option for his truck. But

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<v Speaker 6>they got rid of That's what's the game of that.

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<v Speaker 6>That was Cowboys at that time.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought it was that team from Washington, Washington Reskans. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not mistaken. It was the Dallas Cowboys. It was

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<v Speaker 3>back in the nineties nineties. Yeah, Eugene Parker, who.

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<v Speaker 6>Was actually one of the first black agents out there

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<v Speaker 6>to really be that guy. He was the Eugenie Parker's agent,

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<v Speaker 6>and he was Deon Sander's agent, and yeah, row Woodson,

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<v Speaker 6>he had a number of guys, and he was kind

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<v Speaker 6>of like the four or five or four our black

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<v Speaker 6>agent in business, if that makes sense.

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<v Speaker 4>All right, all right, so okay, so now we know

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<v Speaker 4>how to become an agent. Yes, right, Technically speaking, as

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<v Speaker 4>far as getting the test, it's not really that difficult.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, it's not easy to pass the test, I'm assuming,

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<v Speaker 4>but it's not hard to You just gotta take the test.

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<v Speaker 6>You have to take the test. But it's like it was.

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<v Speaker 6>I hadn't been stunning for a while, but I had.

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<v Speaker 6>While I also.

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<v Speaker 3>Took the series six and sixty three.

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<v Speaker 6>It was harder than that, and it was harder than

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<v Speaker 6>I thought the seven was gonna be when I was

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<v Speaker 6>studying for that. So those are those are pretty decent.

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<v Speaker 6>People failed, Like there's some lawyers that fail all the time.

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<v Speaker 6>I think the I think they had a passwork this

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<v Speaker 6>year of like seventy percent. So there are people that

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<v Speaker 6>definitely fail. So I just don't want people to feel

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<v Speaker 6>like it's easy.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, you had a background in finance though as well. Right,

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<v Speaker 7>so this is what happened. I got I went to

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<v Speaker 7>Hampton University.

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<v Speaker 6>Graduate in two thousand and nine, ended up doing a

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<v Speaker 6>two year program at Georgetown the NFL had a lockout.

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<v Speaker 6>They weren't certifying any new agents. So I had a

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<v Speaker 6>decent amount of student loans and I went to kind

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<v Speaker 6>of keep them in determent. So I ended up going

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<v Speaker 6>to school part time, and while I was part time,

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<v Speaker 6>I had a bunch of free time. But I was

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<v Speaker 6>actually in a course where a former NFL player came

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<v Speaker 6>in and said, seventy eight percent of NFL players are

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<v Speaker 6>broke or have financial issues. Financial direct like and have finance.

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<v Speaker 6>That's the thing that set up to me. It was like, man,

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<v Speaker 6>So I ended up going to get a job in

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<v Speaker 6>banking because I figured, Hey, as a young agent, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>I want to learn about finance. I want to learn

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<v Speaker 6>about financial education and be able to help and understand

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<v Speaker 6>my clients, not necessarily from a standpoint of being a

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<v Speaker 6>financial advisor, but at least being able to say I

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<v Speaker 6>could sit at the table and say, hey, it's how

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<v Speaker 6>you build a budget, this is how you do this,

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<v Speaker 6>and you know, and some.

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<v Speaker 3>Of those things I do for some of my clients.

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<v Speaker 3>Some of the I don't.

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<v Speaker 6>But at least I know that I'm at least I

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<v Speaker 6>can tell you, hey, I know how finance works, and

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<v Speaker 6>I can sit down with a financial advisor and then

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<v Speaker 6>tell you, hey, listen, you might want to get away from.

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<v Speaker 7>That guy you saw where you ahead it and said,

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<v Speaker 7>you know what, I'm gonna take every step necessary to

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<v Speaker 7>make sure I'm the best at what I'm sure.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, no, it's it's and it's crazy because I didn't

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<v Speaker 6>I didn't want to get a job in banking, and

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<v Speaker 6>I didn't really like but that stable as a young agent,

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<v Speaker 6>Like you know, my first year I had I think

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<v Speaker 6>I had one guy.

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<v Speaker 3>He didn't even get into the NFL, Like he.

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<v Speaker 6>Was on a super regional combine, which is like guys

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<v Speaker 6>that aren't now the NFL. So like my second year,

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<v Speaker 6>I had a couple of guys and I The crazy

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<v Speaker 6>part is I quit that bank so many times that

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<v Speaker 6>my manager brought me back because I just knew, like

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<v Speaker 6>I had signed a draft class of five guys and

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<v Speaker 6>I was like, oh, they're good. None of them got drafted,

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<v Speaker 6>They both went undrafted. Three of them never even made

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<v Speaker 6>it to the NFL, and then two played for a

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<v Speaker 6>couple of years, but it wasn't enough to kind of

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<v Speaker 6>really stand, like, you know, get you to the.

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<v Speaker 3>Point where you're you don't need a good regular job.

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<v Speaker 3>So it was a part time situation.

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<v Speaker 4>All right. All right, So now we're gonna go into

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<v Speaker 4>the next segment. Okay, Now you've got certified to be

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<v Speaker 4>an agent, so now we want to know. All right,

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<v Speaker 4>it's one thing to have, you know, the certification, but

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<v Speaker 4>now you actually have to get clients and become an agent. Right,

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<v Speaker 4>So now we'll talk about the business of actually building

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<v Speaker 4>your business. All right. So now we're going to talk

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<v Speaker 4>about building the business, getting clients and actually you know,

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<v Speaker 4>starting from the ground and how you actually go about

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<v Speaker 4>doing it. Right. So you started your own, your own firm, right.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, all right?

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<v Speaker 4>How were we do that?

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<v Speaker 3>I was twenty five, Yeah, twenty five going on twenty six.

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<v Speaker 4>All right, So you got your certificate and as opposed

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<v Speaker 4>to just going out and working for somebody, you wanted

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<v Speaker 4>to do your own thing at first. How did you?

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<v Speaker 1>So?

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<v Speaker 4>All right? So can you talk about that, like how'd

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<v Speaker 4>you start the firm? So?

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<v Speaker 3>I I was.

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<v Speaker 6>I always wanted to be kind of my own agent

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<v Speaker 6>and work from my own side and learn. I felt

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<v Speaker 6>like you learn a lot more being an independent and agent.

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<v Speaker 6>I said, a lot of big firms. I heard some

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<v Speaker 6>stories with some of my guys where basically I kind

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<v Speaker 6>of got, you know, put in this one hole and

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<v Speaker 6>you know, depending upon how with two day sign and

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<v Speaker 6>things of that nature. But they weren't given the same tools.

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<v Speaker 6>So I always wanted to do my own thing. I

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<v Speaker 6>want to start my own agency. So I ended up,

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<v Speaker 6>like said, working in banking that particular bank.

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<v Speaker 3>Shout out to P and C and cry Sid my manager.

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<v Speaker 3>She was amazing.

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<v Speaker 6>In that bank, I met my first client, I met

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<v Speaker 6>my athlete advisor at the time, and in addition to

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<v Speaker 6>that my investor. I worked in a pretty wealthy neighborhood

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<v Speaker 6>in Montgomery County in Maryland, and I literally told every

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<v Speaker 6>single body that was my thing, that's my thing always,

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<v Speaker 6>like I've been passionate from fourteen. Everyone I've ever met

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<v Speaker 6>are like man like he wants to be a sports agent.

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<v Speaker 6>So like now people hit me up, like, yo, you're

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<v Speaker 6>really doing what you said you want to do, because

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<v Speaker 6>that's everything I told everyone, And I think that's something

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<v Speaker 6>that no matter what you want to do, you never know,

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<v Speaker 6>you know who you might meet and run into. And

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<v Speaker 6>I wasn't one of those kids. I wanted to do

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<v Speaker 6>seventeen thousand things. So it's like man, I could help

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<v Speaker 6>this kid, but you know, he's focused on so many things.

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<v Speaker 3>I focused on one thing. It was like, Hey, I

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<v Speaker 3>want to be a sports agent.

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<v Speaker 6>And I told every person in that bank, and a

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<v Speaker 6>guy ended up taking me out to dinner and we

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<v Speaker 6>ended up just linking and really connecting, and he was like, man,

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<v Speaker 6>I don't want any friends, but he said, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>I really want to help you build your bisiness And

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<v Speaker 6>it was literally a gift from God.

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<v Speaker 3>Bro. I can't like, that's how I literally started my agency. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 7>I mean that's powerful because, like we preach a lot

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<v Speaker 7>about mentorship and how important it is, because you could

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<v Speaker 7>have went into this situation not knowing anything, and you know,

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<v Speaker 7>you could have been discouraged by that, but you're encounter

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<v Speaker 7>with this person change your life.

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<v Speaker 4>But it also speaks to the fact of a closed

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<v Speaker 4>mouth doesn't get fed, right, sure, so blessings come your

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<v Speaker 4>way when you open your mouth and you actually say

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<v Speaker 4>what you want. A lot of time people don't say

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<v Speaker 4>what they want in business and relationships. They kind of

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<v Speaker 4>just hope that the person kind of catches the drift.

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<v Speaker 4>The easiest way to get what you want is to

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<v Speaker 4>say what you want and ask for it. They might

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<v Speaker 4>say no, they might say yes, but at least you

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<v Speaker 4>ask for it, right, You kind of beat around the bush,

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<v Speaker 4>and you're scared to say something. You just kind of

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<v Speaker 4>hoping something falls out the sky. It's never gonna happen.

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<v Speaker 4>So the fact that you was even vocal about it

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<v Speaker 4>and putting that energy out there, you attracted it. I'm

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<v Speaker 4>pretty sure to you, right, you.

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<v Speaker 3>Spoke some things into existence and they opinion, absolutely it is.

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<v Speaker 3>I literally talked to hundreds of people that came to

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<v Speaker 3>the bank.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, I think has that back then it had

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<v Speaker 6>a lot of foot traffic into the bank, so literally

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<v Speaker 6>people would come into the bank all the time.

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<v Speaker 3>So I would talk to literally everybody.

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<v Speaker 6>And what I was working at was like I said,

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<v Speaker 6>a wealthy neighborhood and you know that seen you know

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<v Speaker 6>some guys that are making really good money. And it

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<v Speaker 6>was like, man, you know, I really liked you. And

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<v Speaker 6>a lot of guys said no, they're not interested, or

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<v Speaker 6>it was just like you know, it is what it is.

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<v Speaker 6>But in addition to that, it's like having people in

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<v Speaker 6>your corner that is willing to support you.

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<v Speaker 3>Like my manager was like she knew I was getting

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<v Speaker 3>my she knew I was doing well.

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<v Speaker 6>She knew I was talking to people about sports, but

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<v Speaker 6>she looked at that as my connection to the people.

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<v Speaker 6>And in addition to that, she also knew that I

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<v Speaker 6>wanted to be an agent, and then she knew this

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<v Speaker 6>was a stepping stone. So the people that aren't positive

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<v Speaker 6>in your life are also very important.

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<v Speaker 4>All right, So now you're an agent, you got your

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<v Speaker 4>own company, You're up and running, right, Yes, how do

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<v Speaker 4>you get clients? This is this is stuff that's always

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<v Speaker 4>been interesting to me at least, like how do you

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<v Speaker 4>get clients?

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<v Speaker 6>So social media is you're always your friend. I mean

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<v Speaker 6>everyone is always on social media. So my first clients,

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<v Speaker 6>like I said, my first client literally walked into the bank.

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<v Speaker 6>He had been kicked out of school. I helped him transfer,

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<v Speaker 6>getting to another school, and he ended up playing in

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<v Speaker 6>the NFL and still placed in the NFL to this day.

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<v Speaker 3>You got him out when he was in college, came so.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, But I mean I wasn't so as an agent,

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<v Speaker 6>you can't pay for players, like you can't do anything.

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<v Speaker 3>I made connections to help him to try to.

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<v Speaker 6>I basically was mentoring him through his process because he

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<v Speaker 6>had just got kicked out of University of Maryland and

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<v Speaker 6>ended up transferring to the University of Delaware, and I

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<v Speaker 6>just he was like my little brother. But I didn't

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<v Speaker 6>like I knew that I was an agent, so I

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<v Speaker 6>knew that I was a buy the book rule, like

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<v Speaker 6>I'm that guy.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not gonna do anything like it's gonna jeopardize me

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<v Speaker 3>long term. So but I helped him.

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<v Speaker 6>I helped him navigate through that process and helped his parents,

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<v Speaker 6>helped his mom. I literally actually met his mom because

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<v Speaker 6>she was coming in and open up a business account

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<v Speaker 6>and we were.

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<v Speaker 3>Just talking about football. She's like, oh, I got a son.

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<v Speaker 3>I want you to really meet him.

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<v Speaker 6>And literally one day, when the bank was closed and

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<v Speaker 6>the drivetor was open, but I still had to stay

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<v Speaker 6>there to lock up, we sat.

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<v Speaker 3>In there and by for an hour, hour and a

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<v Speaker 3>half and it was just like, man, this dude is

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<v Speaker 3>gonna do.

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<v Speaker 6>And I didn't know he was gonna be an NFL

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<v Speaker 6>player at that time, but I just follow him throughout

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<v Speaker 6>his career and then when it was time from the

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<v Speaker 6>Vega's eighty decisions, like, man, I've already built a strong

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<v Speaker 6>relationship with this guy.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I'm gonna give him a shot.

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<v Speaker 6>However, he was like, man, you know, you don't necessarily

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<v Speaker 6>have the necessary experience. So that's where a partnership situation happened.

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<v Speaker 6>And then I end up doing a partnership, but my

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<v Speaker 6>company still did a like it was a it's called

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<v Speaker 6>skin in the game. Right, So as an agent, and

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<v Speaker 6>I'm not to hopeing, I don't get that too far

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<v Speaker 6>ahead of myself. You're paying for the costs from the

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<v Speaker 6>training so the minute they declared from the NFL draft

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<v Speaker 6>up until the NFL Draft, you flop that whole bill.

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<v Speaker 3>So what are some of the expenses.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, you're paying for these great training facilities that

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<v Speaker 6>are going to cost you ten, twelve, fifteen.

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<v Speaker 4>Thousand dollars, Like I.

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<v Speaker 6>IMG Academy's one EXOS is one of the bigger ones.

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<v Speaker 6>There's one name Performance Compound ASPI.

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<v Speaker 3>That's another one. Like there's a number of different fifteen

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<v Speaker 3>thousands for the week, No, fifteen thousand dollars throughout that right,

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<v Speaker 3>So it's a eight week.

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<v Speaker 4>So you get you get a client after football season

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<v Speaker 4>is over, right, they commit to you. Now they're your

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<v Speaker 4>responsibility for was it two months until the draft?

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<v Speaker 6>No, it's a so from January up until at that point,

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<v Speaker 6>May was the draft.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, so five months. Five months you have to financially

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<v Speaker 4>support them, Yes, you pay for their travel.

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<v Speaker 6>Travel, stipend, housing, rental, cars, training, training, food, and that's

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<v Speaker 6>pretty much it for the most part.

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<v Speaker 3>For some guys. Then there are.

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<v Speaker 6>Guys that are gonna get you know, marketing and things

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<v Speaker 6>of that nature. And some guys do marketing guarantees and

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<v Speaker 6>marketing advances and things of that nature for guys. So

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<v Speaker 6>it's a that right now where our business stands. Right

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<v Speaker 6>now in the age of business, a lot of kids say, hey,

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<v Speaker 6>I got these three deals, which one do I they

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<v Speaker 6>that's which.

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<v Speaker 3>One I'll go with.

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<v Speaker 6>Somebody guys said, man, I'm gonna go with this guy

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<v Speaker 6>because I really have a connection with them. Those kids

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<v Speaker 6>are you know, those are the guys that I try

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<v Speaker 6>to go after.

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<v Speaker 3>So are the marketing deals. Traditionally for first rounders.

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<v Speaker 6>It could be for a first round it could be

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<v Speaker 6>for a receiver or a running back the top. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>because they're gonna get a trading card deal. They're gonna

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<v Speaker 6>maybe do some appearances, depend upon what school they go to.

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<v Speaker 6>They may have some autograph signing the things that needsure.

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<v Speaker 6>So you're advancing them the money on the on that,

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<v Speaker 6>but that's the only thing basically you get back from that,

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<v Speaker 6>and then basically once you know, once they get drafted,

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<v Speaker 6>they pay you back.

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<v Speaker 3>So it takes you some time to kind of get

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<v Speaker 3>out of that hole.

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<v Speaker 4>So so all right, let me let's just because this

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<v Speaker 4>is interesting. So what's the average course for let's say

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<v Speaker 4>first second round draft pick?

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<v Speaker 6>First second round draft pick is probably gonna cost you

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<v Speaker 6>in upwards of about one hundred, one hundred and thirty

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<v Speaker 6>thousand dollars to forty thousand dollars maybe per player, per

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<v Speaker 6>player who it is, but it all depends on how

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<v Speaker 6>you do your model. So there are agencies out there

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<v Speaker 6>now that don'tly charge one percent and they have a

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<v Speaker 6>certain they pay pay I'm only capping it at fifty grand,

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<v Speaker 6>but they're also not making as much money on the contract.

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<v Speaker 6>But they're also what they are is they're they're I'm

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<v Speaker 6>not gonna ask them. They're a big agency that gets

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<v Speaker 6>seven eight guys every year, so they're just trying to

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<v Speaker 6>monopolize and kind of kill the young guy or they're

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<v Speaker 6>not young guy.

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<v Speaker 3>But the smaller agency that don't.

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<v Speaker 6>Necessarily have the same bankroll, if that makes a bank

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<v Speaker 6>take a little bit, so for sure.

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<v Speaker 3>So but the thing about it is that you're not.

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<v Speaker 6>But I try to stressed to the players, like when

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<v Speaker 6>that guy signs eight of you, he's going to do

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<v Speaker 6>the same thing next year, next year, next year.

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<v Speaker 3>Think about that.

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<v Speaker 6>Just in three years he's got thirty two clients. And

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<v Speaker 6>I'm sure they have a staff to be able to

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<v Speaker 6>service to you. But you're not going to be serviced

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<v Speaker 6>by a guy that recruited you.

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<v Speaker 3>All.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, So all right, So one hundred and fifty thousand

0:20:07.520 --> 0:20:10.680
<v Speaker 4>for let's say a top player right from January to February.

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<v Speaker 4>That's your that's your responsibility to pay for it. Right now,

0:20:14.359 --> 0:20:18.720
<v Speaker 4>you're hoping that he gets drafted highly. Right. The agents

0:20:18.800 --> 0:20:20.040
<v Speaker 4>cut is.

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<v Speaker 6>Three percent pond if at this point the NFLPA has

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<v Speaker 6>done something where they put standardized one and a half

0:20:27.160 --> 0:20:30.359
<v Speaker 6>percent for every single player. Now you can negotiate up

0:20:30.440 --> 0:20:32.679
<v Speaker 6>to three percent, but some guys go to one percent.

0:20:33.160 --> 0:20:36.040
<v Speaker 6>Some guys charge zero percent on the first deal because

0:20:36.040 --> 0:20:37.359
<v Speaker 6>they know they're not going to make any money and

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<v Speaker 6>just do a loan on the guy. And then so

0:20:39.800 --> 0:20:44.320
<v Speaker 6>like it's everybody structures it differently. There's no standardized agent.

0:20:44.480 --> 0:20:47.080
<v Speaker 6>This player costs X, this player costs be. And in

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<v Speaker 6>addition to that, if a player is projected to go

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<v Speaker 6>tenth and he goes fortieth, you know you're looking You're

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<v Speaker 6>looking at the player like, man, he losing a lot

0:20:54.320 --> 0:20:54.680
<v Speaker 6>of money.

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<v Speaker 3>That agent's like, man, I will never go between my money.

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<v Speaker 7>So when when y'all in the green room during the

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<v Speaker 7>you get invited to the draft, you're most likely going

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<v Speaker 7>to be a first round pick.

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<v Speaker 6>So I am in year six, this is my first

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<v Speaker 6>year in the green room. But there are agents that

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<v Speaker 6>have never really I was talking to a guy yesterday

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<v Speaker 6>who's he's been in the business eighteen years. He's never

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<v Speaker 6>had a guy drafted a higher than fiftieth. I've had

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<v Speaker 6>guys drafted fifty fifth and thirty eighth this past year,

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<v Speaker 6>so I mean I'm still ahead of the game. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>that was my first year in the green room, and

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<v Speaker 6>I had a client that was projected to go top

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<v Speaker 6>fifteen and he ended up falling to thirty eight. I mean,

0:21:27.160 --> 0:21:29.440
<v Speaker 6>he fell into a great position in a great situation.

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<v Speaker 6>But yeah, it's going to take us a little bit

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<v Speaker 6>of time to get the money back if this investment.

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<v Speaker 3>Like, what are the emotions as you sit in that

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<v Speaker 3>green room, because I remember it is I'm getting uncomfortable

0:21:38.240 --> 0:21:39.000
<v Speaker 3>right now said about you.

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<v Speaker 6>It is the most uncomfortable because I think, like we

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<v Speaker 6>were talking about before, like as an agent, people think

0:21:45.560 --> 0:21:46.280
<v Speaker 6>you're all powerful.

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<v Speaker 3>You have these relationships.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, these might be my friends, but I can't Like,

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<v Speaker 6>I know one of the gms from a team in

0:21:51.680 --> 0:21:54.240
<v Speaker 6>the NFC North, for say, and I'm like, Yo, what's

0:21:54.240 --> 0:21:54.600
<v Speaker 6>going on?

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<v Speaker 3>What's going on?

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<v Speaker 4>My guy?

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<v Speaker 6>You know, he's sliding. He said, man, I heard you

0:21:57.320 --> 0:21:59.359
<v Speaker 6>know he's going to go by by this time he

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<v Speaker 6>and that did happened. So like I'm texting people, but

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<v Speaker 6>they don't know what other teams are doing because it's

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<v Speaker 6>the thirty two teams that have thirty two different draft boards.

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<v Speaker 6>So I have talked to a number of teams that

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<v Speaker 6>had him projected to go here, but things happened and

0:22:12.240 --> 0:22:14.439
<v Speaker 6>the trickle down effects. So what end up happening this

0:22:14.520 --> 0:22:16.840
<v Speaker 6>year was Cleveland Ferrell who end up going.

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<v Speaker 3>Number four to the Oakland Raiders. That was it had

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<v Speaker 3>a tumble effect on everyone projected in the top five.

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<v Speaker 6>He was projected to go top twenty twenty five, so

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<v Speaker 6>that ended up having a tumble down effect, and then

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<v Speaker 6>they had a couple off into Linement that didn't go

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<v Speaker 6>until later. We really thought that Cincinnati, Atlanta, we thought

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<v Speaker 6>that those were our hotspots once those things are passing.

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<v Speaker 6>I was like, man, man, I know we talked to

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<v Speaker 6>these teams in the twenties. Let's see what they talking about.

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<v Speaker 6>Literally texting people from them, but it's like they're not

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<v Speaker 6>going to give you any information because it's like they

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<v Speaker 6>don't want you to go to another team, say hey, Listen,

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<v Speaker 6>I know this team is going to do that, like

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<v Speaker 6>the justice how the business works. So as an agent,

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<v Speaker 6>you are literally your most powerless during the agent process.

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<v Speaker 4>So let me ask you this. Let's get back to

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<v Speaker 4>the tol money of it, right, So how do you

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<v Speaker 4>recoup that one hundred and fifty thousand thats you just spent.

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<v Speaker 3>Over the course of the career of this player?

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<v Speaker 6>So my client signed a four year, four year, seven

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<v Speaker 6>million dollars and over the course of that, I'll make

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<v Speaker 6>your money back and then you'll be broken.

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<v Speaker 4>Are you Are you adding all?

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<v Speaker 3>Right?

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<v Speaker 4>So let's say you have a one percent fee that

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<v Speaker 4>you're charging the client, right, are you adding something additional

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<v Speaker 4>internet or he's just taking it out of a one

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<v Speaker 4>percent that's just giving it advance.

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<v Speaker 6>If you're if you're gonna if you're gonna give one percent,

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<v Speaker 6>if you're gonna charge one percent, you're not gonna give

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<v Speaker 6>a major upfront out pouring depending upon who the player is.

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<v Speaker 6>And there's also, like I said, one hundred and fifty

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<v Speaker 6>thousand dollars for players, it's based on players that are

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<v Speaker 6>projected to go top twenty twenty one because twenty one

0:23:35.119 --> 0:23:38.040
<v Speaker 6>is when the fully guaranteed contracts. After that, everyone's contract

0:23:38.119 --> 0:23:40.600
<v Speaker 6>is a little bit deater down to unguaranteed. So he

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<v Speaker 6>signed a four year, seven million dollars deal with four

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<v Speaker 6>and a half million dollars guaranteed. So we'll make our

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<v Speaker 6>money back over the next couple of years of him

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<v Speaker 6>getting paid. When he gets paid, we get paid.

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<v Speaker 4>So let me ask you this.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a gambling, it's a gamble.

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<v Speaker 4>Let me ask you this too, because so this happens

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<v Speaker 4>Reggie Bush.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you pay one hundred.

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<v Speaker 4>And fifty thousand dollars for a kid the day before

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<v Speaker 4>the draft, he changes his mind.

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<v Speaker 6>That other agent or whoever hires him has to end

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<v Speaker 6>up paying you your money back legally, that's how it works. Yes,

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<v Speaker 6>so we signed In addition to the SRAH, you sign

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<v Speaker 6>a sign he signed essay in a representation agreement, you

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<v Speaker 6>also sign a dendums that entitle you to that money

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<v Speaker 6>if you're fired. So the only way I would ever

0:24:18.480 --> 0:24:20.840
<v Speaker 6>get this money back because it's an investment, right like

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<v Speaker 6>the guy Layo Collins. Layo Collins was supposed to be

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<v Speaker 6>projected to go top ten. He ended up going undrafted,

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<v Speaker 6>so literally there's nothing his agent can do as far

0:24:30.960 --> 0:24:33.600
<v Speaker 6>as returning getting money back. He just has to play

0:24:33.640 --> 0:24:35.920
<v Speaker 6>the game until it's a point where he didn't get

0:24:35.920 --> 0:24:38.040
<v Speaker 6>his second contract, and then you make your money from there.

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<v Speaker 6>So as an agent, you're kind of just sitting there

0:24:40.320 --> 0:24:42.199
<v Speaker 6>waiting for your guy to get drafted and based on

0:24:42.400 --> 0:24:44.200
<v Speaker 6>where they get drafted as a draft slot, and that's

0:24:44.200 --> 0:24:45.879
<v Speaker 6>where you determine how much money they make.

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<v Speaker 7>You said you said something about after twenty one then

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<v Speaker 7>not guaranteed.

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<v Speaker 3>That was only an impression that first round picks are guaranteed.

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<v Speaker 6>No, the first twenty one draft picks have fully guaranteed contracts,

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<v Speaker 6>all for skill, cap and injury. So what that means

0:24:59.800 --> 0:25:01.919
<v Speaker 6>is that they cut you for skill, like you're just

0:25:01.920 --> 0:25:04.040
<v Speaker 6>not good enough. If they cut you because you're you know,

0:25:04.119 --> 0:25:05.919
<v Speaker 6>you're injured or whatever the kiss would be, or if

0:25:05.920 --> 0:25:09.000
<v Speaker 6>they cut you because your skill, they have your cap casualty.

0:25:09.080 --> 0:25:10.920
<v Speaker 6>So as a result of hey, we need some cap

0:25:11.000 --> 0:25:14.080
<v Speaker 6>room to pay you know, Colin Kaepernick, right, of course

0:25:14.119 --> 0:25:16.120
<v Speaker 6>not but yeah, shout out the cup.

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<v Speaker 4>So all right, let me so let's let's let's keep

0:25:17.960 --> 0:25:20.639
<v Speaker 4>it real. How dirty is it? How dirty?

0:25:20.680 --> 0:25:20.760
<v Speaker 3>Like?

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<v Speaker 4>Could we see these movies and we see we had

0:25:23.359 --> 0:25:27.240
<v Speaker 4>these scandals people getting paid off? Can we talk about

0:25:27.240 --> 0:25:30.040
<v Speaker 4>the dirty side of it. Y, I don't. I don't.

0:25:30.160 --> 0:25:32.080
<v Speaker 3>I'm not. I'm not one to name any names. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>not one.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm gonna talk to you guys, just like I'm presenting

0:25:34.320 --> 0:25:35.920
<v Speaker 6>to a young man who may ask me this question.

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<v Speaker 6>At the end of the day. This is a very

0:25:37.480 --> 0:25:39.879
<v Speaker 6>dirty game. And it's a situation where you're recruiting a

0:25:39.960 --> 0:25:42.160
<v Speaker 6>kid and you're trying to sign them for his first

0:25:42.160 --> 0:25:43.440
<v Speaker 6>contract to his first contract.

0:25:43.720 --> 0:25:44.440
<v Speaker 3>A lot of times you.

0:25:44.400 --> 0:25:46.479
<v Speaker 6>Have to go back and re recruit your clients because

0:25:46.880 --> 0:25:48.840
<v Speaker 6>you have guys that are sharks that have been out

0:25:48.840 --> 0:25:50.680
<v Speaker 6>of their business or been in the business for a while.

0:25:50.840 --> 0:25:53.119
<v Speaker 6>They've done great contracts for these guys, so hey, let

0:25:53.119 --> 0:25:53.880
<v Speaker 6>me go pick a guy.

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<v Speaker 5>Now.

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<v Speaker 6>It's the point where a lot of guys, what what

0:25:56.720 --> 0:25:59.199
<v Speaker 6>agents are doing, or agents have done for years, is

0:25:59.240 --> 0:26:01.520
<v Speaker 6>they pay current some of their current clients.

0:26:01.160 --> 0:26:03.800
<v Speaker 3>To go recruit for you recruit. Hey, talk to your teammate.

0:26:03.800 --> 0:26:05.760
<v Speaker 3>If you're unhapy with his agent, I'll give you something

0:26:05.760 --> 0:26:06.200
<v Speaker 3>on the side.

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<v Speaker 6>So it's it's dirty in the capacity, but the idea

0:26:09.240 --> 0:26:13.200
<v Speaker 6>of it is that it's agents fighting against agents. It's

0:26:13.280 --> 0:26:15.800
<v Speaker 6>they're just trying to give out the better deal. Because

0:26:15.840 --> 0:26:17.720
<v Speaker 6>you gotta take con sideration. If you've signed a guy

0:26:18.320 --> 0:26:20.680
<v Speaker 6>on an SRA for you know, when you first sawn

0:26:20.760 --> 0:26:23.280
<v Speaker 6>him and you put up that upfront investment, may try

0:26:23.359 --> 0:26:25.040
<v Speaker 6>to go on a second country. He already got the money.

0:26:25.119 --> 0:26:26.840
<v Speaker 6>You may not necessarily have to give him any money

0:26:26.840 --> 0:26:29.719
<v Speaker 6>in order to sign him. So, I mean it gets dirty.

0:26:29.760 --> 0:26:32.320
<v Speaker 4>And so like plays out of college, right that aren't

0:26:32.359 --> 0:26:34.480
<v Speaker 4>supposed to be able to take anything. What are some

0:26:34.520 --> 0:26:36.040
<v Speaker 4>of the things that they take?

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<v Speaker 6>So what now is probably popular in the agent businesses

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<v Speaker 6>that agents have not smart enough to not give money

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<v Speaker 6>to players directly. Like when I was saying I was

0:26:46.720 --> 0:26:51.840
<v Speaker 6>investing a certain amount of money, that's once they're signing there, yes,

0:26:51.920 --> 0:26:54.800
<v Speaker 6>But now what they're doing is that they use financial

0:26:54.800 --> 0:26:57.480
<v Speaker 6>advisors or runners in the capacity to pay these guys.

0:26:57.480 --> 0:26:58.840
<v Speaker 6>And it's just like, hey, I'll give you a loan,

0:26:59.400 --> 0:27:01.400
<v Speaker 6>you know, gonna give this guy a loan or yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>pay this guy. Say say you're a top player, and

0:27:03.560 --> 0:27:05.720
<v Speaker 6>somebody say, hey, I'm gonn give him fifty thousand dollars

0:27:06.040 --> 0:27:08.400
<v Speaker 6>and then once he returns, once he you know, comes

0:27:08.400 --> 0:27:10.360
<v Speaker 6>out and signs with you, you'll pay me back.

0:27:10.560 --> 0:27:11.119
<v Speaker 3>That kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 6>So it's because those guys aren't regulated by the NFL fund,

0:27:14.160 --> 0:27:15.000
<v Speaker 6>by the NFL PA.

0:27:15.080 --> 0:27:15.760
<v Speaker 3>We're regulated.

0:27:15.800 --> 0:27:17.600
<v Speaker 6>So if we do get caught doing something like that,

0:27:17.880 --> 0:27:19.760
<v Speaker 6>we can lose our license. It could be bard, there

0:27:19.800 --> 0:27:22.040
<v Speaker 6>could be all types of things depending upon what state.

0:27:22.359 --> 0:27:24.919
<v Speaker 6>Alabama will throw you in jail. Like it's could be the.

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<v Speaker 7>Real and that is Alabama for the past five years

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<v Speaker 7>has been pretty much the NFL OH.

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<v Speaker 3>In a lot of ways. For sure, Yeah, for sure,

0:27:33.440 --> 0:27:35.200
<v Speaker 3>and but I mean it's there.

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<v Speaker 6>But you got to also take siteration that some guys

0:27:37.240 --> 0:27:40.000
<v Speaker 6>represent coaches, So I represent Nick.

0:27:39.880 --> 0:27:42.560
<v Speaker 3>Saban or this guy or that guy. Hey, you know

0:27:42.640 --> 0:27:43.240
<v Speaker 3>that's a connection.

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<v Speaker 6>But I mean that's good business per se because you

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<v Speaker 6>And so it's like my mom asks me, Yes, She's like, well,

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<v Speaker 6>they're out here recruiting your guys or the second contract guys,

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<v Speaker 6>or why don't you go out that. That's really just

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<v Speaker 6>not my I would shign a guy on a second

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<v Speaker 6>contract if it comes from referral. But I'm not about

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<v Speaker 6>to pay. If I got to pay you in order

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<v Speaker 6>to sign with me, I got to pay you to

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<v Speaker 6>keep you.

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<v Speaker 3>Like I'm not.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm not in the business of paying players. I feel

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<v Speaker 6>like I add My goal is to add value to

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<v Speaker 6>these players' lives and to help them and help them

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<v Speaker 6>be successful men, and them to realize the NFL's a business.

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<v Speaker 6>Some things your money can't buy exactly, and the NFL

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<v Speaker 6>is a business, and these players are products. And once

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<v Speaker 6>that product becomes effective, you are thrown away and shifted

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<v Speaker 6>to the side. And these agents that are calling you

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<v Speaker 6>right now, a lot of times you can't even get

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<v Speaker 6>touch with them.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I'm glad you said that because the NFL, you know,

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<v Speaker 7>the average cont the average career is very sure.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 7>So my thing, my question to you is do you

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<v Speaker 7>have aspirations of going to Major League Baseball or no?

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<v Speaker 6>I have a player's hard Like I was saying, I

0:31:43.120 --> 0:31:44.800
<v Speaker 6>wanted to be an NFL player. So this is my

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<v Speaker 6>best job to live vicerecy to my clients, and it's

0:31:48.600 --> 0:31:51.520
<v Speaker 6>a situation where I want to see like it's bigger

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<v Speaker 6>than me, right, Like I want to see young black

0:31:53.680 --> 0:31:56.160
<v Speaker 6>men do well. I want to see guys not fall

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<v Speaker 6>into the same pitfalls that other guys falling. I wanted

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<v Speaker 6>to see guys that are successful, if years old, that

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<v Speaker 6>developed relationships while they were in the NFL and now

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<v Speaker 6>they're using them to become.

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<v Speaker 3>Big, successful businesses.

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<v Speaker 6>That's what I try to preach to my guys is

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<v Speaker 6>about you know, I told people what I want to

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<v Speaker 6>do at fourteen. The earlier you know what you want

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<v Speaker 6>to do, especially playing in the NFL, you have the

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<v Speaker 6>best options to go and be successful and go. You know,

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<v Speaker 6>if you're say you played for the Buffalo Bills or

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<v Speaker 6>New York Giants, whatever the case may be, and you

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<v Speaker 6>want to work in finance or you want to do this.

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<v Speaker 3>There's not too many people that aren't going to call

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<v Speaker 3>you back. At least have a meeting with you.

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<v Speaker 6>Develop those relationships, build up that resume that says something

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<v Speaker 6>other than punt, block or tackle, and you know you

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<v Speaker 6>can be a successful transition. I mean the NFL, I

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<v Speaker 6>can tell you all the time. It's a head start

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<v Speaker 6>in life. It's not for long NFL for long.

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<v Speaker 4>All right, Okay, so now we're going to the next segment.

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<v Speaker 4>But before we do, I just had one one quick question.

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<v Speaker 4>So right now, you first you mention your first client

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<v Speaker 4>in the bank. But right now you're a seasoned agent

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<v Speaker 4>where you're meeting clients every single you're getting new players

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<v Speaker 4>every single year. How do you recruit players?

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<v Speaker 3>Now?

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<v Speaker 4>Like what's your progress?

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<v Speaker 6>So now I have relationship ships with scouts. So like

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<v Speaker 6>there's the structure. So everyone knows the NFL structure from

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<v Speaker 6>the coaching side, right, so you know you got your

0:33:06.920 --> 0:33:09.760
<v Speaker 6>head coach, you got your assistant coaches, receiver position coaches.

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<v Speaker 6>You also have that in the scouting community. You have

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<v Speaker 6>the general manager, you have the assistant GM, you have

0:33:14.040 --> 0:33:15.920
<v Speaker 6>director of college scouting. You have scouts that go and

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<v Speaker 6>scour the things. What now I've been able to do

0:33:18.280 --> 0:33:21.440
<v Speaker 6>is develop relationship with those scouts and they say, hey, listen.

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<v Speaker 6>They'll go over there area with me and say, hey, listen,

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<v Speaker 6>this kid is good. He's gonna go here, he's projected here.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, you should go after this guy. And that's

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<v Speaker 6>how I kind of determine who I'm gonna go after.

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<v Speaker 4>But how do you reach a player?

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<v Speaker 3>Social media is key to success for a lot of guys.

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<v Speaker 3>So you sliding DM.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I mean sliding dms. I mean reverse look ups.

0:33:40.360 --> 0:33:43.160
<v Speaker 6>I mean I've done things like you may have a

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<v Speaker 6>mother on your bio right at the end, and.

0:33:44.960 --> 0:33:46.720
<v Speaker 3>It's like, hey, I can google his mom. LinkedIn is

0:33:46.720 --> 0:33:47.280
<v Speaker 3>always great.

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<v Speaker 6>I can send an email to his mom, do things

0:33:49.120 --> 0:33:52.800
<v Speaker 6>like that. But I mean there's different ways to ask.

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<v Speaker 4>These are things that people don't think about, right. It's

0:33:54.800 --> 0:33:56.800
<v Speaker 4>like it sounds simple, like okay, but how do you

0:33:56.840 --> 0:33:58.680
<v Speaker 4>It's like, how do you get in touch with a player?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, you think outside the box, and you got to

0:34:00.960 --> 0:34:03.760
<v Speaker 6>realize most emails. It's the same thing with the bank

0:34:03.800 --> 0:34:05.160
<v Speaker 6>thing and telling people I want to be an agent.

0:34:05.760 --> 0:34:07.680
<v Speaker 6>I got way more knows than I got. Yes, But

0:34:07.760 --> 0:34:09.239
<v Speaker 6>when I was able to get a meeting, I was like,

0:34:09.280 --> 0:34:10.919
<v Speaker 6>all right, cool. At least I felt good about the meeting.

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<v Speaker 4>Do you show up at schools?

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<v Speaker 6>No, I'm not one to go and bombard you and

0:34:15.000 --> 0:34:17.279
<v Speaker 6>things of that. That's just not who I am. I

0:34:17.280 --> 0:34:20.520
<v Speaker 6>don't have that like New York mentality. For the lack

0:34:20.560 --> 0:34:24.080
<v Speaker 6>of better words, No, no, I'm not really that god

0:34:24.120 --> 0:34:25.520
<v Speaker 6>that's gonna be like yo, clean, let me holler at

0:34:25.520 --> 0:34:26.680
<v Speaker 6>you for a second. I need to do it some

0:34:26.719 --> 0:34:28.399
<v Speaker 6>type of casual and I want to have some type

0:34:28.400 --> 0:34:30.880
<v Speaker 6>of relationship with someone next to you in order to

0:34:30.880 --> 0:34:32.680
<v Speaker 6>build that relationship, like maybe I'm made an uncle or

0:34:32.680 --> 0:34:35.040
<v Speaker 6>do something like that. And those are typically how my

0:34:35.120 --> 0:34:38.320
<v Speaker 6>clients have come through referrals or and for a situation

0:34:38.360 --> 0:34:40.960
<v Speaker 6>where I've known someone that's connected to him, or if

0:34:41.000 --> 0:34:42.439
<v Speaker 6>it's like one of my scouts can be like yo,

0:34:42.880 --> 0:34:44.799
<v Speaker 6>like my guy, my guy send me from a team

0:34:44.920 --> 0:34:46.440
<v Speaker 6>was like you need to get on Cody Ford. And

0:34:46.480 --> 0:34:48.279
<v Speaker 6>Cody Ford was a client of mine this year. We

0:34:48.400 --> 0:34:50.080
<v Speaker 6>end up getting drafted secon around he was like, man,

0:34:50.120 --> 0:34:52.160
<v Speaker 6>he's gonna be a really good player, and throughout the

0:34:52.200 --> 0:34:53.560
<v Speaker 6>draft like like I was telling you this is a

0:34:53.640 --> 0:34:55.960
<v Speaker 6>very difficult time to watch your client fall through the draft.

0:34:56.320 --> 0:34:58.719
<v Speaker 6>But like even afterward, I was getting text from scouts like,

0:34:58.840 --> 0:35:00.880
<v Speaker 6>don't worry, he fell into a great spot. You know,

0:35:00.920 --> 0:35:03.200
<v Speaker 6>he's gonna have a great career and it's just gonna

0:35:03.200 --> 0:35:04.759
<v Speaker 6>take a little bit of time, longer time to make

0:35:04.760 --> 0:35:07.239
<v Speaker 6>your money back as an agent and as a as

0:35:07.280 --> 0:35:10.000
<v Speaker 6>a you know, an independent or a smaller agency. I mean,

0:35:10.000 --> 0:35:11.879
<v Speaker 6>we're a mid tized firm, but like it's a little

0:35:11.880 --> 0:35:13.440
<v Speaker 6>bit different on your bottom line than it is that

0:35:13.560 --> 0:35:16.080
<v Speaker 6>a CIA or some of the major agencies. When they

0:35:16.080 --> 0:35:17.680
<v Speaker 6>get a guy that fell those around it, you know,

0:35:17.680 --> 0:35:19.560
<v Speaker 6>they already had six other draft picks they got drafted

0:35:19.560 --> 0:35:23.399
<v Speaker 6>in the first round value. I mean, you're not as yeah, no, no, no,

0:35:23.480 --> 0:35:26.160
<v Speaker 6>for sure, and but they signed six, seven, eight guys

0:35:26.160 --> 0:35:26.560
<v Speaker 6>every year.

0:35:27.239 --> 0:35:29.680
<v Speaker 4>So it's so all right, cool, So now we're going

0:35:29.760 --> 0:35:32.319
<v Speaker 4>to go into the next level as far as taking

0:35:32.320 --> 0:35:34.960
<v Speaker 4>the business to the next level, scaling and different challenges

0:35:34.960 --> 0:35:39.040
<v Speaker 4>that you face as as an African American agent. All right,

0:35:39.200 --> 0:35:41.760
<v Speaker 4>so you're an agent, right, we went through the process

0:35:41.760 --> 0:35:43.000
<v Speaker 4>of what it takes to be an agent. We went

0:35:43.040 --> 0:35:45.759
<v Speaker 4>through the process of you know, being an agent, but

0:35:46.360 --> 0:35:49.359
<v Speaker 4>there's challenges in the agent business, like well businesses, right,

0:35:49.840 --> 0:35:54.360
<v Speaker 4>So what are some of the challenges that you face

0:35:54.640 --> 0:35:58.439
<v Speaker 4>as a young person as an African American male? Right?

0:35:58.480 --> 0:36:02.760
<v Speaker 4>Even though the sport is driven by African American players

0:36:03.320 --> 0:36:05.680
<v Speaker 4>and we've made strides in the agent business, just still

0:36:05.719 --> 0:36:08.000
<v Speaker 4>the majority of the agents are still white, right, Yeah,

0:36:08.080 --> 0:36:11.320
<v Speaker 4>So it's still a flip, like even on the ownership side,

0:36:11.440 --> 0:36:13.360
<v Speaker 4>on the management side, all of that stuff, where the

0:36:13.400 --> 0:36:15.640
<v Speaker 4>players are black, but the other side of the table

0:36:15.680 --> 0:36:16.200
<v Speaker 4>is majority.

0:36:16.800 --> 0:36:19.840
<v Speaker 7>So they have they put the Rooney rule in place

0:36:20.000 --> 0:36:23.560
<v Speaker 7>for the owners, but there's nothing in place for the agencies.

0:36:23.080 --> 0:36:27.200
<v Speaker 6>Ori general managers, right, yeah. So that's yeah, So no,

0:36:27.280 --> 0:36:30.120
<v Speaker 6>not at all. So yeah, that's it's it's there's some

0:36:30.160 --> 0:36:31.000
<v Speaker 6>difficulties as.

0:36:30.880 --> 0:36:32.080
<v Speaker 3>Far as being a black agent.

0:36:32.239 --> 0:36:34.719
<v Speaker 6>I mean, like we were talking earlier, Rich Paul was

0:36:34.760 --> 0:36:37.640
<v Speaker 6>on the cover of Sports Illustrated, so Lebron in his

0:36:37.719 --> 0:36:40.000
<v Speaker 6>effect him being like, you know, the greatest player or

0:36:40.080 --> 0:36:41.799
<v Speaker 6>you know, one of the greatest players in basketball and

0:36:41.880 --> 0:36:42.600
<v Speaker 6>kind of having.

0:36:42.360 --> 0:36:45.000
<v Speaker 3>His team around him being all black, I think.

0:36:44.880 --> 0:36:47.719
<v Speaker 6>That's helping us and changing the way people are thinking,

0:36:47.719 --> 0:36:49.560
<v Speaker 6>because like, man, those black guys can do it, why

0:36:49.640 --> 0:36:52.200
<v Speaker 6>can't you know, give give a guy a shot, and

0:36:52.360 --> 0:36:53.520
<v Speaker 6>agents have done pretty well.

0:36:53.520 --> 0:36:55.440
<v Speaker 3>And there's some black guys that have done really.

0:36:55.200 --> 0:36:57.480
<v Speaker 6>Well, like Eugene Parker was one of the most well

0:36:57.480 --> 0:37:00.000
<v Speaker 6>respected agents. He recently a couple of years ago he passed.

0:37:00.520 --> 0:37:02.880
<v Speaker 6>But I mean there's been trailblazers in that capacity. But

0:37:03.200 --> 0:37:05.040
<v Speaker 6>there are still players that want to sign with white

0:37:05.080 --> 0:37:07.839
<v Speaker 6>agents because they see white general managers and they see

0:37:07.840 --> 0:37:10.960
<v Speaker 6>white scouts or white like. So the scouting community we

0:37:10.960 --> 0:37:14.560
<v Speaker 6>talked about earlier is I would say a good portion white,

0:37:14.920 --> 0:37:17.359
<v Speaker 6>So I mean they understand that, so they think white

0:37:17.400 --> 0:37:19.520
<v Speaker 6>guys like to do business white guys. But I mean

0:37:19.560 --> 0:37:21.719
<v Speaker 6>we've we've we have some agents that are doing pretty well.

0:37:22.360 --> 0:37:23.960
<v Speaker 3>Like I said, I've had some couple of draft picks.

0:37:24.120 --> 0:37:26.040
<v Speaker 6>Got a guy who's coming up on a major second contract,

0:37:26.440 --> 0:37:27.760
<v Speaker 6>h James Bradberry for the Panther.

0:37:27.880 --> 0:37:29.880
<v Speaker 3>So like I mean, we're we're gonna be okay.

0:37:30.120 --> 0:37:32.239
<v Speaker 6>But it's gonna take some time, and it's gonna take

0:37:32.239 --> 0:37:35.360
<v Speaker 6>more and more guys that are of stature to hire.

0:37:35.120 --> 0:37:36.960
<v Speaker 3>A black agent and be in front of that back

0:37:36.960 --> 0:37:37.520
<v Speaker 3>and you know what I'm saying.

0:37:37.600 --> 0:37:39.520
<v Speaker 4>So, yeah, I want to talk about that Lebron effect.

0:37:39.520 --> 0:37:42.000
<v Speaker 4>If we could just for a minute. So Lebron, that's

0:37:42.000 --> 0:37:43.839
<v Speaker 4>one of the things, even with you know, Rich Paul

0:37:43.880 --> 0:37:45.879
<v Speaker 4>and Mavacarta and all of this stuff that he does

0:37:45.920 --> 0:37:48.359
<v Speaker 4>with his team, how has that I mean, you talked

0:37:48.360 --> 0:37:51.279
<v Speaker 4>about it briefly, but do you feel the effect of

0:37:51.320 --> 0:37:53.239
<v Speaker 4>like seeing a ridgeport I anybody's not familiar. Rich Paul

0:37:53.239 --> 0:37:57.040
<v Speaker 4>is Lebron's agent. He's also Anthony Davis's agent.

0:37:57.200 --> 0:38:00.319
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, he's on a couple of Sports Illustrated today because

0:38:00.360 --> 0:38:02.520
<v Speaker 7>they know that this is his summer, this is the

0:38:02.520 --> 0:38:03.040
<v Speaker 7>most important.

0:38:03.200 --> 0:38:05.280
<v Speaker 4>He's on the cover. He's on the cover Sports Illustrated

0:38:05.320 --> 0:38:08.240
<v Speaker 4>because he's one of the most influential sports agents period

0:38:08.280 --> 0:38:10.799
<v Speaker 4>and definitely in basketball. So to see a young young

0:38:10.840 --> 0:38:13.800
<v Speaker 4>black man, I think he's like in his early thirties.

0:38:15.239 --> 0:38:17.040
<v Speaker 4>Do you feel that help you as far as when

0:38:17.080 --> 0:38:18.000
<v Speaker 4>you go talk to clients.

0:38:18.120 --> 0:38:21.040
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I think you know, Lebron is well respected, so

0:38:21.120 --> 0:38:23.600
<v Speaker 6>I think that you know, him having a black agent

0:38:23.640 --> 0:38:26.680
<v Speaker 6>helps him in the NBA side, for sure. The NFL side,

0:38:26.719 --> 0:38:28.680
<v Speaker 6>I think there are some black agents that have done

0:38:28.680 --> 0:38:31.520
<v Speaker 6>pretty well for themselves. But I don't necessarily if everybody

0:38:31.520 --> 0:38:33.880
<v Speaker 6>has a different criteria, So you know, you just have

0:38:33.920 --> 0:38:35.719
<v Speaker 6>to find the guys that are willing to accept the

0:38:35.719 --> 0:38:38.839
<v Speaker 6>fact that you're black or you know, and build off

0:38:38.880 --> 0:38:42.319
<v Speaker 6>your resume. And I think that my clients see me

0:38:42.360 --> 0:38:44.520
<v Speaker 6>as a young black guy. It's thirty two, it's still

0:38:44.520 --> 0:38:47.759
<v Speaker 6>a hip and we still you know hip please God,

0:38:47.800 --> 0:38:51.439
<v Speaker 6>it needless to say. It still understands the hip hop

0:38:51.480 --> 0:38:54.040
<v Speaker 6>generation understands like I'm still we still listen to the

0:38:54.040 --> 0:38:54.840
<v Speaker 6>same music.

0:38:54.920 --> 0:38:55.080
<v Speaker 3>You know.

0:38:55.160 --> 0:38:57.359
<v Speaker 6>I'm you know, trying to get out of this rat

0:38:57.480 --> 0:38:59.520
<v Speaker 6>race of going after girl after girl, trying to you know,

0:38:59.640 --> 0:39:02.239
<v Speaker 6>take my think to the next level, you know, and

0:39:02.480 --> 0:39:04.759
<v Speaker 6>and it's a mentorship in that capacity, but I'm still

0:39:04.760 --> 0:39:06.600
<v Speaker 6>out there, like I still understand what's going on with them.

0:39:06.640 --> 0:39:09.000
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, we can relate on a more personal.

0:39:08.719 --> 0:39:11.319
<v Speaker 6>Level, but a lot of times the biggest thing is like, hey,

0:39:11.360 --> 0:39:12.960
<v Speaker 6>what's your you know, criteria.

0:39:12.640 --> 0:39:15.080
<v Speaker 3>What's what criteria do you have set for the type

0:39:15.120 --> 0:39:16.160
<v Speaker 3>of agent that you want to sign?

0:39:16.480 --> 0:39:20.279
<v Speaker 7>You know, Lebron is obviously an icon. I think he's

0:39:20.280 --> 0:39:22.640
<v Speaker 7>one of the greatest businessmens that we've ever seen. I

0:39:22.680 --> 0:39:26.000
<v Speaker 7>think he is the great the greatest. I like magic

0:39:26.200 --> 0:39:27.880
<v Speaker 7>in him and so I don't know that.

0:39:28.000 --> 0:39:31.319
<v Speaker 6>So I heard something about Lebron if he does a deal.

0:39:31.400 --> 0:39:33.760
<v Speaker 6>He won't do a deal without taking equity in the company.

0:39:33.800 --> 0:39:36.640
<v Speaker 6>And I think we all know how important equity.

0:39:36.280 --> 0:39:37.680
<v Speaker 3>In coming athlete. Yeah for sure.

0:39:37.800 --> 0:39:40.359
<v Speaker 7>So like obviously he plays in the NBA, so it's

0:39:40.400 --> 0:39:42.600
<v Speaker 7>a lot more easy. It's easier to market him because

0:39:42.600 --> 0:39:45.080
<v Speaker 7>you can see him, for sure. NFL tougher. You know

0:39:45.600 --> 0:39:48.040
<v Speaker 7>it's tough, but do you see a player out there

0:39:48.080 --> 0:39:50.720
<v Speaker 7>now that potentially could have that type of Lebron effect

0:39:50.760 --> 0:39:52.840
<v Speaker 7>where it's like, you know what, I'm gonna give the

0:39:52.920 --> 0:39:55.719
<v Speaker 7>fifteen percent to the people I came up with, whether

0:39:55.840 --> 0:39:58.239
<v Speaker 7>is it like a Cam Newton or maybe Antonio Brown

0:39:58.320 --> 0:39:58.759
<v Speaker 7>or somebody that.

0:39:58.960 --> 0:40:01.719
<v Speaker 6>So there's a there's a agent that assigned two black

0:40:01.760 --> 0:40:05.040
<v Speaker 6>quarterbacks back or over just over the black to back years.

0:40:05.200 --> 0:40:07.920
<v Speaker 6>Deshaun Watson and Dwayne Haskins both have black quarterbacks. So

0:40:07.960 --> 0:40:09.680
<v Speaker 6>it's gonna have to be from a quarterbacks side.

0:40:09.719 --> 0:40:11.920
<v Speaker 3>We have to get to the quarterbacks because they have

0:40:11.960 --> 0:40:14.240
<v Speaker 3>the biggest contract and they have the most FaceTime.

0:40:14.680 --> 0:40:17.240
<v Speaker 4>So what about barb receiver. It's like Odell Beckham.

0:40:17.560 --> 0:40:20.600
<v Speaker 6>Odell Beckham has he's not black, So yeah, I mean, yeah,

0:40:20.640 --> 0:40:26.440
<v Speaker 6>everybody has his agent. Yeah, they just that Jarvis Landry

0:40:26.480 --> 0:40:28.120
<v Speaker 6>had a black agent, so it has a black agent.

0:40:28.160 --> 0:40:30.080
<v Speaker 6>So I mean there's a number of guys that definitely

0:40:30.080 --> 0:40:32.080
<v Speaker 6>have Like, there are more guys out there that have

0:40:32.160 --> 0:40:32.640
<v Speaker 6>black agents.

0:40:32.640 --> 0:40:34.920
<v Speaker 4>Well, like from from we're talking about this off camera

0:40:34.920 --> 0:40:38.759
<v Speaker 4>where the NFL is different from the NBA, because you know,

0:40:38.840 --> 0:40:40.799
<v Speaker 4>the average NBA player, right like, even if you don't

0:40:40.840 --> 0:40:42.520
<v Speaker 4>know sports, you have nothing to do with sports at all.

0:40:42.840 --> 0:40:45.759
<v Speaker 4>Odds are unless they're like a point called like cal Lowry. Yeah,

0:40:45.920 --> 0:40:47.320
<v Speaker 4>we're not gonna talk about what happened.

0:40:48.800 --> 0:40:51.160
<v Speaker 3>He got black, right. I just knew he I just

0:40:51.239 --> 0:40:53.040
<v Speaker 3>knew he just drank. The thing about it.

0:40:53.040 --> 0:40:55.480
<v Speaker 6>I knew it was hard to shoot behind the backboard,

0:40:55.480 --> 0:40:57.480
<v Speaker 6>so I was just like, there's no who else could

0:40:57.520 --> 0:40:57.640
<v Speaker 6>do it.

0:40:57.640 --> 0:41:01.440
<v Speaker 3>But Kyle Lari shot the Philly Toronto.

0:41:01.760 --> 0:41:04.840
<v Speaker 4>Now, I mean I think it's to Toronto.

0:41:05.520 --> 0:41:09.200
<v Speaker 3>But they clapped when Katie got hurt. I don't like that.

0:41:09.320 --> 0:41:11.160
<v Speaker 4>No, Yeah, you know it's always gonna be bad Apple.

0:41:11.320 --> 0:41:13.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there's not a bunch of them. I heard them

0:41:13.480 --> 0:41:15.200
<v Speaker 3>claps here in New York. It was not fortunate. It

0:41:15.280 --> 0:41:15.720
<v Speaker 3>was fortunate.

0:41:16.360 --> 0:41:21.080
<v Speaker 4>We've seen Drake almost crying. So took it home Drake album.

0:41:21.800 --> 0:41:25.120
<v Speaker 4>All right, So NBA players easy to spot right, because

0:41:25.120 --> 0:41:28.279
<v Speaker 4>they're tall, they're lanky, they look like they're different from

0:41:28.320 --> 0:41:31.520
<v Speaker 4>every other person. NFL players not so much. Right, So

0:41:31.560 --> 0:41:35.880
<v Speaker 4>you have of the NFL, nobody knows who they are. Yes,

0:41:35.960 --> 0:41:38.160
<v Speaker 4>they could just walk down Tomes Square and not get

0:41:38.200 --> 0:41:40.959
<v Speaker 4>recognized at all. That kind of leads to a couple

0:41:41.000 --> 0:41:43.800
<v Speaker 4>of problems right A. Marketing. It's hard to market the

0:41:43.920 --> 0:41:46.560
<v Speaker 4>NFL play because you don't know who he is unless

0:41:46.560 --> 0:41:49.080
<v Speaker 4>he's Tom Brady or Odell back On or something like that.

0:41:49.600 --> 0:41:51.880
<v Speaker 4>I think also b it leads to a lot of

0:41:52.000 --> 0:41:54.359
<v Speaker 4>unnecessary spending. Like you said, like a lot of these

0:41:54.360 --> 0:41:55.880
<v Speaker 4>guys you see in the clubs and they order one

0:41:55.920 --> 0:41:58.440
<v Speaker 4>hundred bottles because now they're trying to draw attention on themselves.

0:41:58.520 --> 0:41:58.960
<v Speaker 3>For sure.

0:41:59.040 --> 0:42:01.160
<v Speaker 4>Where the NBA players they might do it, they might not,

0:42:01.280 --> 0:42:03.400
<v Speaker 4>but they don't they seven feet tall. They already know

0:42:03.400 --> 0:42:08.640
<v Speaker 4>who they are, absolutely sure. And then also just from

0:42:08.680 --> 0:42:12.160
<v Speaker 4>a failed standpoint of like doing you see especially whide receivers,

0:42:12.160 --> 0:42:14.239
<v Speaker 4>you see him doing like a lot of antics, right,

0:42:14.480 --> 0:42:17.120
<v Speaker 4>I feel like that's kind of like they need to

0:42:17.120 --> 0:42:20.279
<v Speaker 4>have attention, right, Okay, So what's your thoughts on that?

0:42:20.480 --> 0:42:22.479
<v Speaker 3>So I think one in three are tied. It together

0:42:22.520 --> 0:42:23.520
<v Speaker 3>when it comes to receivers.

0:42:24.200 --> 0:42:27.480
<v Speaker 6>So I have a cornerback who's probably one of the

0:42:27.520 --> 0:42:30.080
<v Speaker 6>best cornerbacks in the NFL. I would say his name

0:42:30.120 --> 0:42:32.920
<v Speaker 6>is James Bradberry plays for the Panthers recruit I mean

0:42:32.960 --> 0:42:35.200
<v Speaker 6>he literally guarded all the top guys. I mean, you

0:42:35.280 --> 0:42:37.440
<v Speaker 6>got to take the seneration. He three times ago or

0:42:37.480 --> 0:42:40.359
<v Speaker 6>six times between six times he turned Mike, Mike Evans,

0:42:40.440 --> 0:42:43.239
<v Speaker 6>Julio Jones, Mike Thomas and does really good jobs all

0:42:43.239 --> 0:42:46.680
<v Speaker 6>of them. And everyone talks about this game again Tulio

0:42:46.760 --> 0:42:48.600
<v Speaker 6>or Julio did the two hundred twenty four yards. He

0:42:48.640 --> 0:42:50.680
<v Speaker 6>got hurt within the second drive in the game, so

0:42:50.719 --> 0:42:51.959
<v Speaker 6>that's why Julio went off.

0:42:52.160 --> 0:42:56.000
<v Speaker 3>But needless to say, he is a calm outside like

0:42:56.040 --> 0:42:58.200
<v Speaker 3>he's not like me, me me, me me.

0:42:58.280 --> 0:43:00.239
<v Speaker 6>He's the opposite of Jane rams And I respect Jenner

0:43:00.320 --> 0:43:02.640
<v Speaker 6>Ramsey for what he's done because that's how a lot

0:43:02.680 --> 0:43:06.440
<v Speaker 6>of guys have shown marketing. They want to show themselves,

0:43:06.560 --> 0:43:09.040
<v Speaker 6>and that's why receivers chat Outsinka. He did something today

0:43:09.080 --> 0:43:11.319
<v Speaker 6>where he said he never spent any money of his

0:43:11.400 --> 0:43:13.960
<v Speaker 6>NFL money, He's only spent marketing dollars. But the idea

0:43:14.000 --> 0:43:16.120
<v Speaker 6>of it is that he had to put himself on

0:43:16.440 --> 0:43:19.479
<v Speaker 6>in order to get those marketing dollars. So did become

0:43:19.480 --> 0:43:21.160
<v Speaker 6>a character. A lot of people will say that, But

0:43:21.200 --> 0:43:22.839
<v Speaker 6>the idea of it is that he knew what he

0:43:22.880 --> 0:43:24.800
<v Speaker 6>was doing and he was trying to, you know, build

0:43:24.840 --> 0:43:27.840
<v Speaker 6>out his marketing side. He had a plan, So with

0:43:28.200 --> 0:43:30.719
<v Speaker 6>most NFL players, I was listening to a stat by

0:43:30.719 --> 0:43:34.360
<v Speaker 6>the NFLPA, ninety seven percent of marketing dollars go to

0:43:34.440 --> 0:43:35.120
<v Speaker 6>the top three.

0:43:35.000 --> 0:43:35.800
<v Speaker 3>Percent of the NFL.

0:43:36.000 --> 0:43:38.720
<v Speaker 6>The NFL we all know the Odell Beckhams, of Tom Brady's,

0:43:38.719 --> 0:43:42.880
<v Speaker 6>the Patrick Mahomes, the you know DeAndre Hopkins, like Aja

0:43:42.960 --> 0:43:45.920
<v Speaker 6>Green and not even someone say a j Green in Cincinnati,

0:43:46.120 --> 0:43:48.360
<v Speaker 6>but like Julio Jones, like Mike Thomas, Mike Evan, like

0:43:48.360 --> 0:43:50.919
<v Speaker 6>all the times I'm talking about. But the thing about

0:43:50.920 --> 0:43:53.080
<v Speaker 6>it is that they played. They they're the top three percent.

0:43:53.120 --> 0:43:55.000
<v Speaker 6>So the rest of the NFL is fighting over the

0:43:55.160 --> 0:43:57.440
<v Speaker 6>last little three percent. So there's a lot of social

0:43:57.480 --> 0:43:59.200
<v Speaker 6>media deals and things of that, and so there's ways

0:43:59.200 --> 0:44:02.200
<v Speaker 6>to make money from a marketing standpoint, but a lot

0:44:02.200 --> 0:44:05.879
<v Speaker 6>of times what they've seen is is that success comes

0:44:05.880 --> 0:44:07.879
<v Speaker 6>with me, me, me, me me, And that's what the

0:44:07.920 --> 0:44:10.439
<v Speaker 6>blueprint has been for guys to be successful marketing wise.

0:44:10.600 --> 0:44:12.200
<v Speaker 6>Deon Sanders, I love him to death, but he was

0:44:12.239 --> 0:44:14.880
<v Speaker 6>definitely but Dion Sanders had a plan, like he knew

0:44:15.320 --> 0:44:17.480
<v Speaker 6>the biggest things with those guys that say me, me, me,

0:44:17.520 --> 0:44:21.040
<v Speaker 6>Like Richard Sherman, I remember having a business my business partner.

0:44:21.239 --> 0:44:24.840
<v Speaker 6>We were having a conversation after that game against Michael Crabtrue.

0:44:25.000 --> 0:44:26.640
<v Speaker 6>He yelled at him and he was like, man.

0:44:26.800 --> 0:44:27.200
<v Speaker 3>I was like.

0:44:27.360 --> 0:44:28.640
<v Speaker 6>He was like, that's the worst thing he could do

0:44:28.719 --> 0:44:30.799
<v Speaker 6>is the worst thing positive things? Brand I was like, no,

0:44:31.000 --> 0:44:33.399
<v Speaker 6>Richard Sherman just became a star. And Richard Sherman went

0:44:33.440 --> 0:44:36.080
<v Speaker 6>straight off because he was in the camera. It was

0:44:36.120 --> 0:44:38.200
<v Speaker 6>something to talk about. It was a major game, so

0:44:38.440 --> 0:44:41.919
<v Speaker 6>everyone was talking about that. Is that who stolen's gold chain?

0:44:42.400 --> 0:44:44.640
<v Speaker 3>No, Michael, that was a key to leave.

0:44:46.280 --> 0:44:48.360
<v Speaker 6>Keith to leave is another one who's a great cornerback

0:44:48.360 --> 0:44:49.880
<v Speaker 6>there just then get a whole lot of marketing. But

0:44:49.920 --> 0:44:51.839
<v Speaker 6>the idea of it this is that he's quiet, kind

0:44:51.840 --> 0:44:53.440
<v Speaker 6>of cool, like he just does his own thing.

0:44:53.560 --> 0:44:56.279
<v Speaker 3>So that's but that's it's it's a me me. It's

0:44:56.320 --> 0:44:58.840
<v Speaker 3>like philosophy exactly exactly.

0:44:59.160 --> 0:45:02.879
<v Speaker 4>Controversy said shock value solve for sure, and you could

0:45:02.920 --> 0:45:05.120
<v Speaker 4>be a great player, but if you don't really open

0:45:05.160 --> 0:45:07.040
<v Speaker 4>your mouth, yeah, nobody.

0:45:07.280 --> 0:45:09.520
<v Speaker 6>Absolutely, no one really cares about you unless you're out

0:45:09.520 --> 0:45:13.000
<v Speaker 6>here of doing that. But by the same token, if

0:45:13.040 --> 0:45:14.960
<v Speaker 6>you do it, you've got to be able to back

0:45:15.000 --> 0:45:17.200
<v Speaker 6>it up. Because if Richard Sherman wasn't built the right

0:45:17.239 --> 0:45:18.840
<v Speaker 6>way and he wasn't about to have a great career,

0:45:19.040 --> 0:45:21.640
<v Speaker 6>and he also didn't have like the foundation off the

0:45:21.640 --> 0:45:23.520
<v Speaker 6>side of the like off the field and doing all

0:45:23.560 --> 0:45:26.560
<v Speaker 6>the other stuff he was doing, he knew like, okay, cool,

0:45:26.600 --> 0:45:28.960
<v Speaker 6>I'm confident myself at this point. And then he was

0:45:29.000 --> 0:45:30.680
<v Speaker 6>like all right, cool, but if you jump out there

0:45:30.680 --> 0:45:33.080
<v Speaker 6>too early and like oh man, that's not going to

0:45:33.160 --> 0:45:34.719
<v Speaker 6>work out well for you. So you just got to

0:45:34.719 --> 0:45:37.520
<v Speaker 6>be confident in your abilities. But cornerbacks and receivers are

0:45:37.520 --> 0:45:40.399
<v Speaker 6>typically the most confident individuals in the room.

0:45:40.480 --> 0:45:41.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, for sure.

0:45:41.160 --> 0:45:42.960
<v Speaker 7>And like you said, I think he used the term.

0:45:43.280 --> 0:45:46.880
<v Speaker 7>The rest of the guys they have helmet, Yes, absolutely.

0:45:46.400 --> 0:45:48.279
<v Speaker 6>So, yeah, we were talking about the clubs and things that,

0:45:48.440 --> 0:45:52.000
<v Speaker 6>like with the NFL, they want you know, we all

0:45:52.000 --> 0:45:53.880
<v Speaker 6>want to check pretty women and we want to be seen.

0:45:54.360 --> 0:45:56.239
<v Speaker 6>So a lot of times with the you'll find the

0:45:56.360 --> 0:45:59.279
<v Speaker 6>NFL players, of baseball players or anybody else has the

0:45:59.320 --> 0:46:01.640
<v Speaker 6>biggest change and the moment bottles. They spend the most

0:46:01.680 --> 0:46:04.040
<v Speaker 6>money in the clubs because it's a situation where no

0:46:04.080 --> 0:46:04.799
<v Speaker 6>one knows who they are.

0:46:04.880 --> 0:46:07.200
<v Speaker 3>So it's like, oh, we got so and so tonight.

0:46:07.280 --> 0:46:10.080
<v Speaker 6>Like it's like, you know, like they want the the

0:46:10.200 --> 0:46:12.360
<v Speaker 6>DJ be like, oh, someone's buying all them bottles, and

0:46:12.400 --> 0:46:15.080
<v Speaker 6>people look and it's like that guy. But the idea

0:46:15.080 --> 0:46:17.000
<v Speaker 6>of it is that it doesn't really make sense. And

0:46:17.040 --> 0:46:18.600
<v Speaker 6>I try to get my clients away from it, and

0:46:18.920 --> 0:46:20.520
<v Speaker 6>you know, I try to put on seminars and stuff

0:46:20.560 --> 0:46:23.040
<v Speaker 6>like that to help them to realize, like, you know,

0:46:23.040 --> 0:46:25.040
<v Speaker 6>you're adequate without having to do all of that. And

0:46:25.080 --> 0:46:26.920
<v Speaker 6>that's fun at times. Yeah, But the question is is

0:46:26.920 --> 0:46:29.120
<v Speaker 6>that how do you balance that? And if you're doing

0:46:29.120 --> 0:46:30.560
<v Speaker 6>that every single night, then there's a problem.

0:46:30.600 --> 0:46:32.240
<v Speaker 4>So how do you feel I have a feel pressure.

0:46:32.640 --> 0:46:34.280
<v Speaker 4>Your clients are rich then millionaires?

0:46:34.360 --> 0:46:37.120
<v Speaker 6>Right, No, that's what you get it wrong. My clients

0:46:37.440 --> 0:46:40.600
<v Speaker 6>make ones about a million dollars. However, not all my

0:46:40.600 --> 0:46:43.680
<v Speaker 6>clients make millions of dollars. So some guys, and that's

0:46:43.680 --> 0:46:46.000
<v Speaker 6>another thing that Brand's talking about. That's hard and I

0:46:46.160 --> 0:46:49.240
<v Speaker 6>really empathize with players. They have the hardest locker room

0:46:49.560 --> 0:46:53.320
<v Speaker 6>from a worker's experience, because I'm twenty two, right, I

0:46:53.360 --> 0:46:55.400
<v Speaker 6>could be undrafted free agent, I could be a baller.

0:46:55.719 --> 0:46:57.520
<v Speaker 3>You could be the first round pick. You're twenty two.

0:46:57.800 --> 0:46:59.080
<v Speaker 3>You may hell of money.

0:46:59.400 --> 0:47:02.320
<v Speaker 6>But same time they're competing on and off the field.

0:47:02.480 --> 0:47:04.080
<v Speaker 6>So if he goes and buy a new billion.

0:47:03.880 --> 0:47:04.520
<v Speaker 3>I got it good. Like.

0:47:04.800 --> 0:47:08.080
<v Speaker 6>That's the issue is that everyone thinks that they're millionaires

0:47:08.160 --> 0:47:10.600
<v Speaker 6>because they play in the locker room. There's a bunch

0:47:10.600 --> 0:47:12.480
<v Speaker 6>of guys that are millionaires, but on a fifty three

0:47:12.480 --> 0:47:15.280
<v Speaker 6>million roster, I think it's average from seventeen to eighteen

0:47:15.440 --> 0:47:18.160
<v Speaker 6>or eighteen to fifteen, guys are millionaire like guys making

0:47:18.160 --> 0:47:20.680
<v Speaker 6>millions of dollars. Other guys are mostly on rookie deals,

0:47:20.680 --> 0:47:21.839
<v Speaker 6>are kind of the revolving door.

0:47:21.920 --> 0:47:23.760
<v Speaker 4>The last ten so I had of fifty two players,

0:47:23.760 --> 0:47:25.160
<v Speaker 4>only seventeen fifty three.

0:47:25.200 --> 0:47:27.120
<v Speaker 3>And it's depending upon the team. Some teams have more.

0:47:27.239 --> 0:47:28.880
<v Speaker 6>But I mean, I think I'm sold that seventeen and

0:47:28.880 --> 0:47:31.799
<v Speaker 6>eighteen guys are, you know, making millions of dollars on

0:47:31.920 --> 0:47:32.840
<v Speaker 6>major second contract.

0:47:33.040 --> 0:47:35.000
<v Speaker 3>It depends.

0:47:35.160 --> 0:47:37.520
<v Speaker 4>Let's let's go back to that. That's interesting. So out

0:47:37.560 --> 0:47:41.000
<v Speaker 4>of fifty two players, seventy three, fifty three players seventeen

0:47:41.080 --> 0:47:44.440
<v Speaker 4>let's say roughly have million dollar contracts in above.

0:47:44.400 --> 0:47:47.280
<v Speaker 3>Yes, are making millions of dollars, so like your stars.

0:47:47.520 --> 0:47:50.040
<v Speaker 4>So the vast majority of NFL players aren't making millions.

0:47:50.120 --> 0:47:52.440
<v Speaker 6>No, they're making a couple hundred thousand dollars, or if

0:47:52.440 --> 0:47:55.120
<v Speaker 6>they're making a million dollars, they're making just under a

0:47:55.160 --> 0:47:56.040
<v Speaker 6>million or a million dollars.

0:47:56.040 --> 0:47:57.800
<v Speaker 3>It all depends on every team.

0:47:57.640 --> 0:48:00.840
<v Speaker 6>Is a little differently in their careers. Is very careers

0:48:00.840 --> 0:48:03.799
<v Speaker 6>are very short, and most guarantee contracts. No, most guys

0:48:03.800 --> 0:48:05.960
<v Speaker 6>don't get to second contracts. The average career is three

0:48:05.960 --> 0:48:09.200
<v Speaker 6>to four years, depending upon what position you play exactly.

0:48:09.520 --> 0:48:12.040
<v Speaker 6>Quarterbacks typically stay a little longer the receiver. Some guys

0:48:12.040 --> 0:48:14.359
<v Speaker 6>stay a little longer. But you literally could go from

0:48:14.480 --> 0:48:16.760
<v Speaker 6>like I mean not to call someboey out like Corey Coleman.

0:48:16.800 --> 0:48:18.640
<v Speaker 6>Corey Coleman was a first round draft pick a couple

0:48:18.680 --> 0:48:20.319
<v Speaker 6>of years ago for the Browns. I think he's on

0:48:20.360 --> 0:48:22.319
<v Speaker 6>his third or fourth team now and he's trying to

0:48:22.360 --> 0:48:24.600
<v Speaker 6>make a roster and he's a situation where he's a

0:48:24.600 --> 0:48:26.440
<v Speaker 6>receiver for the New York Giants.

0:48:26.480 --> 0:48:28.560
<v Speaker 3>But everyone knows Sterling Shepherd and this guy, you know

0:48:28.560 --> 0:48:29.000
<v Speaker 3>what I'm saying.

0:48:29.000 --> 0:48:31.960
<v Speaker 6>So, and the crazy part is that Sterling Shepard and

0:48:32.000 --> 0:48:35.120
<v Speaker 6>Corey Coleman both came out the same year. So Corey

0:48:35.120 --> 0:48:37.120
<v Speaker 6>Coleman was the first round draft pick, Stirling was the

0:48:37.160 --> 0:48:39.880
<v Speaker 6>second round draft pick. Now, Stirling's making way more money

0:48:39.880 --> 0:48:42.640
<v Speaker 6>than Corey, but Corey got more upfront money, but he

0:48:42.719 --> 0:48:44.160
<v Speaker 6>thought he was and you have to live up to

0:48:44.280 --> 0:48:47.040
<v Speaker 6>his expectations. So being an NFL player is a gift

0:48:47.080 --> 0:48:49.520
<v Speaker 6>and a curse because everyone around you thinks you're making

0:48:49.520 --> 0:48:51.680
<v Speaker 6>so much money. So when you go back home, you

0:48:51.760 --> 0:48:53.360
<v Speaker 6>like feel like you got a stunt for your family

0:48:53.400 --> 0:48:55.200
<v Speaker 6>and you know you got cash A.

0:48:55.320 --> 0:49:00.680
<v Speaker 7>Requested that's seventeen out of fifty three is yeah, like that,

0:49:00.800 --> 0:49:04.840
<v Speaker 7>And I guess depending on the financial structure of the team,

0:49:05.360 --> 0:49:07.359
<v Speaker 7>it could be less. Right when you said that, I'm

0:49:07.360 --> 0:49:10.960
<v Speaker 7>thinking about a team like the Patriots, who are very,

0:49:11.280 --> 0:49:14.319
<v Speaker 7>very stringent with their finances, right for sure. Right, Tom

0:49:14.360 --> 0:49:16.560
<v Speaker 7>Brady probably is the best player in the NFL, maybe

0:49:16.560 --> 0:49:18.600
<v Speaker 7>in the NFL history, but he's never been the highest

0:49:18.600 --> 0:49:19.080
<v Speaker 7>paid player.

0:49:19.280 --> 0:49:20.839
<v Speaker 6>No, but they say that Tom Brady gets a lot

0:49:20.840 --> 0:49:22.879
<v Speaker 6>of off the field marketing dollars and he puts them

0:49:23.200 --> 0:49:25.520
<v Speaker 6>like that's due to his performance, of course, And Robert

0:49:25.520 --> 0:49:27.160
<v Speaker 6>Craft cuts them in on deals like he know he's

0:49:27.160 --> 0:49:27.799
<v Speaker 6>getting his money.

0:49:27.800 --> 0:49:29.200
<v Speaker 3>But it's a situation that nectually come.

0:49:29.080 --> 0:49:31.600
<v Speaker 6>From under the table, actstarily under the table, but it's

0:49:31.600 --> 0:49:34.000
<v Speaker 6>a situation where Jerry Jones takes care of a lot

0:49:34.000 --> 0:49:36.239
<v Speaker 6>of his players, like some of his former players is

0:49:36.320 --> 0:49:37.520
<v Speaker 6>cut in on business deals.

0:49:37.600 --> 0:49:39.839
<v Speaker 3>It's like, hey, I help you out this, Like some.

0:49:39.920 --> 0:49:42.160
<v Speaker 6>Owners are really really good from an owner's perspcative and

0:49:42.280 --> 0:49:44.040
<v Speaker 6>helping these guys. And I think a lot of them,

0:49:44.080 --> 0:49:46.600
<v Speaker 6>I think majority of them aren't that that way for

0:49:46.640 --> 0:49:47.240
<v Speaker 6>their stars.

0:49:47.600 --> 0:49:49.000
<v Speaker 3>But not everybody's going to be a star.

0:49:49.440 --> 0:49:51.200
<v Speaker 6>And if you're a star too early, say you're a

0:49:51.200 --> 0:49:53.520
<v Speaker 6>star your second year and then like you tear your

0:49:53.520 --> 0:49:55.080
<v Speaker 6>achilles your third year, or you know what I'm saying,

0:49:55.120 --> 0:49:57.560
<v Speaker 6>or you're not the same player two years later, you

0:49:57.560 --> 0:50:00.239
<v Speaker 6>can literally go from being you know. That's why it's

0:50:00.280 --> 0:50:02.920
<v Speaker 6>like you gotta stay humble and stay focused, and when

0:50:02.960 --> 0:50:05.000
<v Speaker 6>you get the big contract, that's fine, but now you've

0:50:05.000 --> 0:50:06.319
<v Speaker 6>got to be able to put it away.

0:50:06.040 --> 0:50:07.759
<v Speaker 3>And then you got these.

0:50:07.719 --> 0:50:09.719
<v Speaker 6>Numbers that get blasted out and a lot of times

0:50:09.719 --> 0:50:12.200
<v Speaker 6>they're coming from my agents that want to say, hey, yo,

0:50:12.320 --> 0:50:14.080
<v Speaker 6>I got this guy this big deals. But when you

0:50:14.080 --> 0:50:16.040
<v Speaker 6>come back and see the real deals, the numbers, they're

0:50:16.080 --> 0:50:18.600
<v Speaker 6>not nearly as high. It may be, hey, I can

0:50:18.600 --> 0:50:20.440
<v Speaker 6>get him this all with escalator, but he's got to

0:50:20.440 --> 0:50:22.840
<v Speaker 6>do X, Y Z in order to get this number.

0:50:23.120 --> 0:50:25.359
<v Speaker 3>But everyone comes and looks at you, and you become

0:50:25.440 --> 0:50:26.080
<v Speaker 3>the target.

0:50:26.440 --> 0:50:29.440
<v Speaker 6>So it's like, man, I love to be got it

0:50:29.520 --> 0:50:31.319
<v Speaker 6>to make twenty million dollars and sit in the corner and.

0:50:31.280 --> 0:50:33.560
<v Speaker 3>Nobody know me. We got we have to get you

0:50:33.600 --> 0:50:35.960
<v Speaker 3>a quarterback. Yeah, because for sure we got to get

0:50:35.960 --> 0:50:36.440
<v Speaker 3>you a quarterback.

0:50:36.480 --> 0:50:39.120
<v Speaker 7>Because this week, Carson Wentz when you said that if

0:50:39.120 --> 0:50:40.879
<v Speaker 7>you have a great second year and maybe you get

0:50:40.960 --> 0:50:44.239
<v Speaker 7>hurt and you get the Carson Wentz Now, granted, I

0:50:44.239 --> 0:50:46.000
<v Speaker 7>think he's going to be a phenomenal player, but his

0:50:46.040 --> 0:50:47.840
<v Speaker 7>team did win a Super Bowl without him. He just

0:50:48.000 --> 0:50:49.919
<v Speaker 7>signed an extension for one hundred and forty million.

0:50:50.040 --> 0:50:53.040
<v Speaker 3>Because this is a quarterback driven league. You need a quarterback.

0:50:53.120 --> 0:50:55.680
<v Speaker 6>If you don't have a quarterback, your season's like, we're

0:50:55.680 --> 0:50:57.440
<v Speaker 6>gonna continue to do we have to do. Kyler Murray

0:50:57.520 --> 0:50:59.839
<v Speaker 6>literally was like, dang, they had Josh Rose for a year.

0:51:00.040 --> 0:51:02.600
<v Speaker 6>They drafted Calli Murray this year because it was like, hey, listen,

0:51:02.680 --> 0:51:04.200
<v Speaker 6>we need to do this. We brought in his coach.

0:51:04.480 --> 0:51:07.080
<v Speaker 6>He runs this offense better. So it's still a quarterback

0:51:07.160 --> 0:51:07.640
<v Speaker 6>driven league.

0:51:07.640 --> 0:51:08.000
<v Speaker 3>Everything.

0:51:08.040 --> 0:51:10.279
<v Speaker 6>Every everyone knows like that. The quarterback is the key

0:51:10.360 --> 0:51:14.600
<v Speaker 6>to a successful year in most teams. The Baltimore Ravens,

0:51:14.640 --> 0:51:16.360
<v Speaker 6>you know, they had trend Deaf when they went, they

0:51:16.400 --> 0:51:19.680
<v Speaker 6>also had one of the best defenses and the alls,

0:51:18.719 --> 0:51:21.520
<v Speaker 6>and like the Bears that year they went, they had

0:51:21.920 --> 0:51:25.480
<v Speaker 6>Rex Grossen, you know, yeah, yeah, for sure, But I'm

0:51:25.480 --> 0:51:28.200
<v Speaker 6>talking about that the other Bears and the Bears, Yeah.

0:51:28.000 --> 0:51:28.959
<v Speaker 3>Levy and all that kind of stuff.

0:51:29.000 --> 0:51:30.840
<v Speaker 6>I'm trying to think about teams with you know, no

0:51:30.960 --> 0:51:32.560
<v Speaker 6>quarterbacks being their stars.

0:51:32.840 --> 0:51:33.960
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, typically like that.

0:51:34.040 --> 0:51:37.440
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, like I said, eighteen guys or so, those numbers

0:51:37.520 --> 0:51:39.680
<v Speaker 6>changed the pinball teams. Some guys may have twenty two,

0:51:39.680 --> 0:51:42.239
<v Speaker 6>some guys may have twenty three, but not all fifty

0:51:42.280 --> 0:51:44.000
<v Speaker 6>three guys are making a million dollars. They don't have

0:51:44.120 --> 0:51:46.120
<v Speaker 6>enough money for the salary cap, but I mean they do,

0:51:46.200 --> 0:51:49.160
<v Speaker 6>but it does. It's not it's a structure based on.

0:51:49.520 --> 0:51:53.479
<v Speaker 7>So in the NBA, I know, the collective bargain, it's

0:51:53.520 --> 0:51:56.480
<v Speaker 7>fifty percent of the revenue needs to be spent on

0:51:56.520 --> 0:51:57.320
<v Speaker 7>the player salary.

0:51:57.560 --> 0:51:59.319
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, it's not fifty to fifty Now at this point,

0:51:59.719 --> 0:52:01.840
<v Speaker 6>it was the nfls they're I think they're at forty

0:52:01.840 --> 0:52:03.560
<v Speaker 6>five percent and I think the end of the league

0:52:03.560 --> 0:52:05.080
<v Speaker 6>team is at fifty five percent.

0:52:05.080 --> 0:52:06.720
<v Speaker 3>If I'm not saying they're in the process of redoing

0:52:06.800 --> 0:52:07.279
<v Speaker 3>this this.

0:52:07.200 --> 0:52:09.279
<v Speaker 4>New c yeah, because they saying that they might have

0:52:09.320 --> 0:52:09.840
<v Speaker 4>a lockout.

0:52:10.160 --> 0:52:12.400
<v Speaker 6>So so that's one thing that I think that I

0:52:12.400 --> 0:52:15.560
<v Speaker 6>don't know what's going to happen, because the NFL, like

0:52:15.600 --> 0:52:18.480
<v Speaker 6>that lockout was ugly, and I think everybody took their

0:52:18.760 --> 0:52:21.120
<v Speaker 6>lumps from that, like even though they say the team

0:52:21.200 --> 0:52:23.760
<v Speaker 6>the league won it and all that kind of stuff,

0:52:23.760 --> 0:52:26.319
<v Speaker 6>But by the same token, what the issue is with

0:52:26.400 --> 0:52:28.600
<v Speaker 6>that lockout was it just wasn't good.

0:52:28.480 --> 0:52:29.680
<v Speaker 3>For TV contracts.

0:52:30.040 --> 0:52:31.640
<v Speaker 6>So now the NFL is coming up on all these

0:52:31.680 --> 0:52:33.880
<v Speaker 6>TV contracts and they got to renew these things, and

0:52:33.920 --> 0:52:35.920
<v Speaker 6>they're like, man, if you can't do that, then I

0:52:35.960 --> 0:52:38.160
<v Speaker 6>need I need you guys to be under CBA before

0:52:38.160 --> 0:52:40.279
<v Speaker 6>we do this deal again. So I think the NFL

0:52:40.400 --> 0:52:43.000
<v Speaker 6>is pressured to get the players a better deal because

0:52:43.000 --> 0:52:45.080
<v Speaker 6>they're going to make a better deal on the back end.

0:52:44.600 --> 0:52:49.239
<v Speaker 3>The NBA did the deal with TNT in ESPN with

0:52:49.280 --> 0:52:52.160
<v Speaker 3>twenty four billion. Yeah, nfls, but you gotta realize the

0:52:52.239 --> 0:52:54.040
<v Speaker 3>NFL is still king. I think, Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

0:52:54.040 --> 0:52:55.680
<v Speaker 3>I'm thinking, like, if that's twenty four billion, the NFL.

0:52:55.719 --> 0:52:58.319
<v Speaker 4>So the NFL. But it's interesting because the NFL is

0:52:58.320 --> 0:53:02.160
<v Speaker 4>the most profitable league. Yeah, in professional sports, boy, out

0:53:02.160 --> 0:53:04.359
<v Speaker 4>of the three major sports in America, the players get

0:53:04.360 --> 0:53:05.279
<v Speaker 4>paid the least.

0:53:05.080 --> 0:53:06.920
<v Speaker 6>YEP, but the players also get hurt the most. But

0:53:07.000 --> 0:53:10.320
<v Speaker 6>by the same token, it's a situation where players contracts

0:53:10.320 --> 0:53:12.279
<v Speaker 6>need to be shorter. It need to be three year

0:53:12.680 --> 0:53:14.800
<v Speaker 6>guaranteed contracts because that's really what you get when you

0:53:14.880 --> 0:53:17.120
<v Speaker 6>get a big deal like that. So everyone looks at like, hey,

0:53:17.120 --> 0:53:18.840
<v Speaker 6>I look at guaranteed money and what you're getting your

0:53:18.880 --> 0:53:21.960
<v Speaker 6>first three year payout, because that's really what is what

0:53:22.040 --> 0:53:24.239
<v Speaker 6>you really have a good great chance of making. So

0:53:24.280 --> 0:53:26.000
<v Speaker 6>like if you're bumming your first like say, say we

0:53:26.080 --> 0:53:28.239
<v Speaker 6>take a guy who's signs a major contract and his

0:53:28.360 --> 0:53:29.719
<v Speaker 6>first year he doesn't play as much.

0:53:29.760 --> 0:53:31.280
<v Speaker 3>Well, second year he's just terrible.

0:53:31.320 --> 0:53:32.759
<v Speaker 6>The third year's like all right, man, we paid this

0:53:32.800 --> 0:53:35.520
<v Speaker 6>guy twenty four twenty five million dollars, let's.

0:53:35.360 --> 0:53:37.560
<v Speaker 3>Give him another chance after that third year, they're willing

0:53:37.600 --> 0:53:38.200
<v Speaker 3>to kind of watch.

0:53:38.200 --> 0:53:41.399
<v Speaker 6>So they need to do more structured, fully guaranteed three

0:53:41.480 --> 0:53:42.239
<v Speaker 6>year contracts.

0:53:42.440 --> 0:53:44.799
<v Speaker 3>But Kirk Cousins did that. Yeah, when you just said that,

0:53:44.880 --> 0:53:46.560
<v Speaker 3>I'm thinking, like that sounds like Jameis Winston.

0:53:47.320 --> 0:53:49.840
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, but I mean I don't like to say anything

0:53:49.840 --> 0:53:51.319
<v Speaker 6>bad about players, And I.

0:53:51.239 --> 0:53:53.200
<v Speaker 7>Mean, like, because he's in a position like this guy

0:53:53.239 --> 0:53:55.160
<v Speaker 7>still young. Yeah, he's the Heighstan Trophy, he's a number

0:53:55.120 --> 0:53:56.640
<v Speaker 7>one overall pen and he's a quarterback. And he's a

0:53:56.719 --> 0:53:59.200
<v Speaker 7>quarterback and it's like, what do we do because we

0:53:59.239 --> 0:54:02.800
<v Speaker 7>watched Fitzpatrick come in and light it up and I

0:54:02.960 --> 0:54:04.680
<v Speaker 7>was like, wait, should we even start this guy now?

0:54:05.200 --> 0:54:06.600
<v Speaker 3>So they got some decisions.

0:54:06.400 --> 0:54:08.880
<v Speaker 6>And now Vince is down in Miami with Josh Rosen,

0:54:08.920 --> 0:54:11.880
<v Speaker 6>but rant on his perode potentially. So it's going to

0:54:11.920 --> 0:54:13.600
<v Speaker 6>be interesting to see how it all shakes out. But

0:54:13.600 --> 0:54:15.759
<v Speaker 6>needless to say it's gonna be I don't think the

0:54:15.800 --> 0:54:17.120
<v Speaker 6>CBA is going to be I hope.

0:54:17.520 --> 0:54:19.200
<v Speaker 3>I think that they're making progress.

0:54:19.320 --> 0:54:21.080
<v Speaker 6>From what I hear from the Asian community is that

0:54:21.160 --> 0:54:23.480
<v Speaker 6>you know, we probably will have a CBA before it

0:54:23.520 --> 0:54:25.400
<v Speaker 6>won't be the lockouts, because that's another thing.

0:54:25.480 --> 0:54:26.839
<v Speaker 3>Guys were taking lockout loan.

0:54:26.960 --> 0:54:30.360
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I was gonna say before So Dame Dash's cousin

0:54:31.080 --> 0:54:34.759
<v Speaker 4>forgot his name, but Vince Young had sued him. You know,

0:54:34.920 --> 0:54:35.440
<v Speaker 4>you know about this.

0:54:35.719 --> 0:54:38.080
<v Speaker 3>I heard I think I heard someone.

0:54:37.880 --> 0:54:40.239
<v Speaker 4>So yeah, so Vince all right, So Dame Dash's cousin

0:54:40.280 --> 0:54:43.839
<v Speaker 4>he was a financier, something to do with in finance, right,

0:54:44.080 --> 0:54:47.200
<v Speaker 4>and he started a business during the last NFL lockout

0:54:47.200 --> 0:54:49.680
<v Speaker 4>where he was loaning guys money, but he was loaning

0:54:49.680 --> 0:54:53.480
<v Speaker 4>no money at like crazy fifty interest forty five ors

0:54:53.719 --> 0:54:56.600
<v Speaker 4>crazy interest, right, So Vince Young ends up suing them,

0:54:57.040 --> 0:55:00.400
<v Speaker 4>and long story short, like it all came into the

0:55:00.440 --> 0:55:02.440
<v Speaker 4>media why he took the loan. He took a loan

0:55:02.520 --> 0:55:04.279
<v Speaker 4>of like three hundred thousand dollars to pay for his

0:55:04.320 --> 0:55:06.080
<v Speaker 4>birthday party priorities.

0:55:06.160 --> 0:55:06.319
<v Speaker 3>Right.

0:55:07.520 --> 0:55:10.719
<v Speaker 4>But it's just disturbing that a number one draft pick

0:55:11.200 --> 0:55:13.279
<v Speaker 4>would have to take a loan. That means you're living

0:55:13.280 --> 0:55:15.040
<v Speaker 4>paycheck to paycheck. And that's why I say all the time,

0:55:15.120 --> 0:55:16.400
<v Speaker 4>it's not how much you make, it is how much

0:55:16.400 --> 0:55:19.800
<v Speaker 4>you keep. Athletes live paycheck to paycheck all the time.

0:55:20.239 --> 0:55:23.160
<v Speaker 4>It's just that their paychecks might be fifty thousand dollars.

0:55:23.520 --> 0:55:25.000
<v Speaker 3>And by the same tiking, they're getting paid over the

0:55:25.040 --> 0:55:25.640
<v Speaker 3>course of four months.

0:55:25.680 --> 0:55:27.719
<v Speaker 6>So they got to really stretch that throughout the rest

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<v Speaker 6>of They gotta be more budget conscious than even teachers

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<v Speaker 6>or like you know, teachers can paid them nine months potentially,

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<v Speaker 6>and they had that three months of law or whatever.

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<v Speaker 6>They have that four months and other than like OTA's

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<v Speaker 6>are making to coming and now they have the player

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<v Speaker 6>performance when they get a piece of that. But for

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<v Speaker 6>the most part, that ninety eight percent of the income

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<v Speaker 6>is gonna come from that base salary during the season.

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<v Speaker 6>You during the season, and it's gonna add over seventeen weeks.

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<v Speaker 6>You gotta pay taxes, so you're living like a.

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<v Speaker 3>King one you're in season.

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<v Speaker 6>There's a lot of broke NFL players that played last

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<v Speaker 6>season right now, I'm sure because it's just but it's

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<v Speaker 6>it's things like you said, like it's the financial education

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<v Speaker 6>is not taught in the school. It's not taught, you

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<v Speaker 6>know when you get it's try they try to teach

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<v Speaker 6>you when you get to the NFL. But at that

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<v Speaker 6>point in time, these guys have to literally sit back

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<v Speaker 6>and look and man and say, listen, I may not live.

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<v Speaker 3>I may. I'm gonna live a lot longer than I

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<v Speaker 3>play football.

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<v Speaker 6>And I try to tell my guys all the time,

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<v Speaker 6>like you could live like a king for a couple

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<v Speaker 6>of years while you're in the NFL, or you could

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<v Speaker 6>live like a prince for the rest of your life.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, there's a lot of different things you can

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<v Speaker 6>do to save your money. Like I mean, you've boys

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<v Speaker 6>talking about, you know, in real estate, and that's really

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<v Speaker 6>you know, where a lot of guys can go back

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<v Speaker 6>and invest into their college towns and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 3>Those are the kind of things that.

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<v Speaker 6>You really want to start to get your money to

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<v Speaker 6>work for you because right now all you're doing is

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<v Speaker 6>basically bringing on these checks in and spending. And some

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<v Speaker 6>guys are scared to, you know, do investments or things

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<v Speaker 6>like that. But it gets the regular savings account and

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<v Speaker 6>live off. Like I always tell guys like, hey, listen,

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<v Speaker 6>you're a you're in an NFL city, look at the

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<v Speaker 6>average income, live above.

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<v Speaker 3>The average, and you live a good life, like.

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<v Speaker 6>And a lot of the stuff during the season is

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<v Speaker 6>paid for and like, but they do have some, i

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<v Speaker 6>mean some other expenses, like you know if they get cut,

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<v Speaker 6>they have to transport their car like so they have

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<v Speaker 6>some other outside expenses. And in addition to that, they

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<v Speaker 6>sign leases, and you know, they try to sign leases

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<v Speaker 6>that you know will let you out if you get

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<v Speaker 6>cut or and the teams try to do a lot,

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<v Speaker 6>but they can always do more, but by the same token.

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<v Speaker 6>At this point in time, it's starting. You know, you

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<v Speaker 6>can't blame that person, blame this person. You got to

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<v Speaker 6>take an incentive to say, Man, I want to be successful.

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<v Speaker 6>I want to have money when I leave the NFL.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't want this to be the highlight of my life.

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<v Speaker 6>I want this to be a stepping stone to something greater.

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<v Speaker 5>My graduates from my school being false bad Drop drop, Mike,

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<v Speaker 5>drop bag, drop drop.

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