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Speaker 1: This episode is also available as video on YouTube. You

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Speaker 1: while you're there. Hey, I'm Nora Jones and today I'm

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Speaker 1: playing along with Madison Cunningham. I'm just playing lo wey.

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Speaker 2: Loon we you.

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Speaker 1: Hey, welcome to the show. Thanks for joining us. I'm

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Speaker 1: here with Sarah Oda.

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Speaker 3: Hello, Hello, welcome to our show. We have an awesome

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Speaker 3: episode today. We have the Grammy winning singer, songwriter, guitarist

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Speaker 3: and pianist Madison Cunningham. She has collaborated with tons of

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Speaker 3: people including Lucy Dacus, Remy Wolf, Mumford and sons Lucius

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Speaker 3: and Andrew Bird, a lot of our podcast homies. She's

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Speaker 3: an incredible songwriter. Her lyrics are very emotionally sharp, and

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Speaker 3: she's a real storyteller.

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Speaker 1: I love her music. It is something about it. It's

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Speaker 1: just like arresting and it's very very beautiful and heartfelt.

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Speaker 1: But also she's an incredible musician and it's complicated, so

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Speaker 1: it's all the things wrapped up and you feel perfect Vessel.

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Speaker 1: Her voice is incredible too, so beautiful.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're going to hear her beautiful voice. You're going

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Speaker 3: to hear kind of how she became such a poignant lyricist,

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Speaker 3: and also some of the musicians and artists that inspired

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Speaker 3: her along the way. And Yes, amazing music as always

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Speaker 3: from across Madison's catalog, including her latest album Ace that

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Speaker 3: came out last year in twenty twenty.

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Speaker 1: Five, a very beautiful album. Yeah, come join us with

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Speaker 1: Madison cutting head. There is some spicy language in this episode,

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Speaker 1: so listener discretion is advised. It's not that bad, but

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Speaker 1: just so you know it's there, Okay.

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Speaker 4: Okay, saying you could do me harm in saty.

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Speaker 5: Of your arms while you had a red of bombs

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Speaker 5: dropping my fool of sunder clouds, keep been a craft

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Speaker 5: on the ground, winds.

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Speaker 6: Sliping round, suffering, turning in.

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Speaker 7: And turning out the line and old.

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Speaker 8: Deep stops in the carphone on your drive, whether you're drowning.

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Speaker 2: A fall.

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Speaker 1: In wa.

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Speaker 9: In your ivy lie.

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Speaker 8: Who bearing no resens to an agent innocence of.

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Speaker 2: The audience. Good now.

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Speaker 8: As the grand lous phase.

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Speaker 2: It hits me as a drive away a.

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Speaker 10: Loveacy hair, go gray.

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Speaker 1: Far in.

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Speaker 9: Where in in Mela Way.

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Speaker 10: I have chills. That was amazing, amazing, That was the

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Speaker 10: hardest Why I know we got it got You're so good.

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Speaker 10: That voice is just.

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Speaker 1: Oh your voice has been making me cry all week.

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Speaker 1: Oh man, it's so beautiful.

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Speaker 10: I just felt like music. That's how it should feel.

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Speaker 1: That is what it is. Yeah, wait a second.

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Speaker 10: It was music.

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Speaker 1: Oh that was so beautiful. I feel is so beautiful,

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Speaker 1: your feel. That was amazing. Compliments salad, Yeah, it.

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Speaker 10: Is a compliment. Salad, coming right up.

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Speaker 1: I love your guitar playing. Thank you, it's so amazing.

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Speaker 10: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: How do you do it?

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Speaker 10: How do I do it? I don't know.

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Speaker 1: When did you start? When did you start?

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Speaker 10: I started playing guitar when I was about four or five.

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Speaker 10: Yeah. My dad was a He played guitar, He played

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Speaker 10: acoustic guitar, and like as a as a kid, I

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Speaker 10: him and subconsciously, you know, and that's really sweet. Yeah.

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Speaker 10: I was almost like picking up a baseball bat or

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Speaker 10: That was that was the feeling of learning to play,

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Speaker 10: Yeah? Yeah, and he's still he's still doing it and

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Speaker 1: That's great. Yeah, that sounds really sweet. Yeah, yeah, very sweet.

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Speaker 1: Did you take lessons when you were little?

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Speaker 10: I started taking piano lessons first, okay, and my uh

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Speaker 1: So she was like, because you remind was too fast

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Speaker 10: I think it must have been that I was like,

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Speaker 10: Yeah, by just memory. And I think she was like,

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Speaker 1: You really really really It hasn't really come up, I guess,

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Speaker 10: But yeah, anyway, that was kind of the that was

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Speaker 10: When did you start playing?

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Speaker 1: I was seven. I started taking lessons, Okay, yeah, wow.

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Speaker 1: I didn't want to practice though, so I wanted to quit.

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Speaker 10: Yeah did you hate it? You must have hated it.

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Speaker 1: My teacher was really nice. I wanted to take lessons.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to play piano. My teacher was great. I mean,

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Speaker 1: And then about a year later I got into jazz

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Speaker 2: Could you do?

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Speaker 10: Were you reading? Were you how were you ingesting it?

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Speaker 1: I was just listening to it. And then I had

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Speaker 10: She was like teaching you the sketches of learning how

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Speaker 1: She really was, And yeah she was school. I mean

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Speaker 10: Yeah, right, Like the I was actually homeschool, and I

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Speaker 10: But like I feel like every kid is like needs

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Speaker 10: I think my mom was my teacher. She was able

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Speaker 10: Yeah, it's different. And you realize that, realized it later. Yeah,

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Speaker 10: if you're writing songs to find your throw the rule

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Speaker 10: That's so fun. Lyrics are the thing I'm the most

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Speaker 10: I work very hard at them. This last record was

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Speaker 10: definitely edited them, and I'm really really cared about it,

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Speaker 10: Maybe it's just a way. Maybe it's been my way

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Speaker 1: I think we all kind of feel like that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but that's interesting because your lyrics are pretty jaw dropping

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Speaker 1: to me. I just find them really they're so that

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Speaker 10: That makes that which is a really nice place to be.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because when things just come out, I feel like

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Speaker 10: There's like so there's such a fine line between it

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Speaker 1: Someone exactly, You don't want to feel like you've made

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Speaker 10: That's it's language. It's like the thing that communicates what

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Speaker 11: You know.

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Speaker 10: Is it usually in this the ones that make you cringe?

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Speaker 10: You know, what did you think wasn't okay or acceptable?

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Speaker 10: It's the same reason that like, I will want a

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Speaker 10: It's a classic, exact cliche. But it's like it is

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Speaker 10: Are you a Friends fan?

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Speaker 10: The classic sitcom do you remember the episode where oh

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Speaker 1: Connection and connection. Yeah.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, It's just funny that we always think that we

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Speaker 1: I see if they can see through it, I think

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Speaker 1: I give them. You got to give them a lot

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Speaker 2: We have to.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I know, why do we Why do we make

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Speaker 1: I think we're I think we I think we're doing

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Speaker 10: Maybe it's like the people around the people who like

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Speaker 1: Sometimes I don't want a happy meal, but.

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Speaker 10: No shade, I want a burger? Are you kidding?

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Speaker 10: With the toy exactly, absolutely not above anything.

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Speaker 1: This is already so fun.

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Speaker 10: This is the best day I've had in a long time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, where do you live?

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Speaker 10: I live in Frogtown? What is that?

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Speaker 11: Is that here?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, it's here, Okay, backed up to the Los Angeles

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Speaker 10: I grew up in Orange County, which is, you know,

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Speaker 1: Oh, I know they got magnolia.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, because they migrated they croaked, so speak.

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Speaker 1: Boy, well, do you want to do another song from

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Speaker 1: your new record which is so beautiful? Thank you? I

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Speaker 10: Ago, right, yeah it did, it did.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, it's really beautiful and you play a lot

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 10: That means a lot coming from me. I I kind

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Speaker 1: But I think it's fun to switch and it's important.

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Speaker 1: It's really fun. I love playing guitar. I'm not great,

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Speaker 10: Who are the people that made songwriting makes sense to you, Like,

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Speaker 1: I mean all the probably the ones, all the one. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: probably Willie Nelson because his songs are deceptively they sound simple,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's absolute perfection. It's pretty great.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, it doesn't get better.

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Speaker 1: Dolly doesn't hurt.

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Speaker 10: Dolly doesn't hurt. I was just thinking about her today, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, me too.

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Speaker 10: That song, Uh here you come again? Oh god, it's

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Speaker 10: it's so good, all the twists and that. I mean,

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Speaker 10: there's some really bold key changes, but you don't feel it.

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Speaker 1: That's that's the thing, that's the mastery part.

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Speaker 10: Yes, it's the slight of hand.

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Speaker 1: What about you when you grow up loving?

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Speaker 10: I grew up with nothing. I mean I was like

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Speaker 10: there was just a lot of rules.

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Speaker 1: Was it a lot of religious music?

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Speaker 10: Yeah? It was, I mean, and there was, there was

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Speaker 10: a band anymore. In a band called Mute Math I

443
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 10: loved and like that was kind of still within I

444
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:29,119
Speaker 10: don't know if they would align as like Christian bands

445
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:33,920
Speaker 10: with the adjacent to that world and so acceptable. Yeah,

446
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:35,359
Speaker 10: and those are those are the things that I was

447
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 10: like into as a teenager. But I didn't hear the

448
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 10: Beatles till the day I like the actual day I

449
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:45,119
Speaker 10: graduated high school. Really didn't. Yeah, didn't grow up with it.

450
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 10: Didn't grow up I mean really with a lot of

451
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 10: the people who are like who changed music for me

452
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:53,479
Speaker 10: and changed the way that I related to it. And

453
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:57,119
Speaker 10: it's all about permission too, you know. It's all about

454
00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:02,639
Speaker 10: like finding the artists that allow you to be yourself

455
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 10: and to like give way to your strangest impulses, like

456
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:12,359
Speaker 10: and I Think or Bravest or whatever it is. Like Joni,

457
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 10: I had a real obviously I mean everybody has, but

458
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:21,160
Speaker 10: had an awakening with her when I was eighteen years old.

459
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:23,160
Speaker 10: Was like I ended up in Portland. It's a really

460
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,680
Speaker 10: long story, but I just someone let me their car

461
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:29,919
Speaker 10: and I'm just driving across all this the bridges and

462
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 10: listen to New Court and Spark and I just was like,

463
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,680
Speaker 10: this is what it means to be a woman. She's

464
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 10: singing about who I want to become.

465
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good moment when you can just you

466
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:45,439
Speaker 1: can remember that moment.

467
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 10: I can still smell it, like I remember what the

468
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 10: car looked like, it felt like, and just how it

469
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:52,920
Speaker 10: came through the speakers. And I ended up at this

470
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 10: like mansion with all of these roses, and I just

471
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:02,200
Speaker 10: just think, Okay, it was insane. It was psychedelic experience. Truly.

472
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:03,639
Speaker 1: That is another story.

473
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 10: Yeah, that's another lifetime. We were about to jump into

474
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:11,640
Speaker 10: a song. But anyway, probably our heroes are probably similar.

475
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:16,440
Speaker 10: It's like just the the grandmothers and grandfathers of everybody.

476
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's such a good thing to have that moment

477
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:21,719
Speaker 1: with the record.

478
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 10: Yeah, I know, like especially in.

479
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 1: The car, it's a real special place to have a

480
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:28,200
Speaker 1: listening experience.

481
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 10: Yeah, you don't do you have a car?

482
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:31,119
Speaker 9: Do you do?

483
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 1: You drive into very little but I had I had

484
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,719
Speaker 1: a seventy one Cadillac Sa Dan Deville when I was

485
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 1: in high school in Texas and it had no a

486
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 1: C one summer, which sucked. Yeah, yeah, in Texas and

487
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 1: I but I still just wanted to get out of

488
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 1: my house and drive around at night. And I just

489
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 1: remember listening to Otis Redding in the car damn over

490
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 1: and over on my and this cassette, and it was

491
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 1: the best thing ever. That's my my moment in a car. Car.

492
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 10: Yeah, there's always going to be one, especially given that

493
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 10: like you tour and I tour. It's like are it

494
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 10: was always in our bingo cards. Yeah, do you want

495
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 10: to try my whole name switch? Okay? Can we do?

496
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 10: You just keep going all right? This is the easiest thing.

497
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 10: This is so wonderful.

498
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 6: I love it when you say the full name and

499
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 6: the way always speak your mind, when the needle fisly

500
00:29:56,600 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 6: fast the vein and all you little sayings become mine.

501
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 10: Your brother only shared a family shame, but he doesn't

502
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 10: really know you.

503
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 5: I've been spitting out on too many big woods.

504
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 10: He could do with that.

505
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 6: And everything we dare not say along are written on all.

506
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 2: Faces.

507
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 6: There's water like the side of Burlin coming from this

508
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 6: vessel that we're in, running from my.

509
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 2: Eyes to your chair. There's a kind of sorrow save

510
00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:01,959
Speaker 2: when a part of me and the saying the case

511
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 2: has never opened.

512
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 13: I've been keeping gown of all the wildflowers where the

513
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 13: plane went down, in every living soul that I've found

514
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 13: written in these.

515
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 7: Words persons, I'm fine enough that I am allergic to.

516
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 2: Every living thing that.

517
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 11: Is on you has a saying now I noise true

518
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 11: who I don't want leave this town, but you know

519
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 11: very well I can't wait around.

520
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 2: But since it's getting too light, the change.

521
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 9: Less might as well em pray.

522
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 1: Said.

523
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 2: I love it when you say my fall name.

524
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 10: Amazing.

525
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 1: That's a beautiful song.

526
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 10: Thank you, Sorry, yeah, I appreciate it.

527
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 1: Start crying, man.

528
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 10: I hear you play. Whirly reminds me of this record

529
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 10: that I love so much by you, And I'm forgetting

530
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 10: the title of the record. But it has that song

531
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 10: Goodbye on it.

532
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 1: Oh say goodbye?

533
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 10: Yeah.

534
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's that's got wirly I forgot.

535
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 14: Yeah, yeah, do.

536
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 3: Do do do.

537
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 12: It's got weird chords, yeah, is it not the same, Yeah,

538
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 12: it's got a weird chord structure, you know.

539
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 5: Days.

540
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 2: Will you let me miss behave nice.

541
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 1: Always did and less blood if.

542
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 2: You stand again?

543
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 11: Yeah?

544
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 2: Do that?

545
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 6: Yeah?

546
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 1: I mean it's all right and it's okay, that's not right,

547
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:13,760
Speaker 1: leg it's.

548
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 3: Not is it?

549
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 10: Is it a different key?

550
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:19,360
Speaker 1: No?

551
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 8: No, no, it is right?

552
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 10: Whoa well it.

553
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 14: Ay if you can't, but I'll just don't have to.

554
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 2: Say say good.

555
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 10: Yeah case, I love that. I fucking look. I when

556
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 10: I made my first that was it is that madding myself?

557
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 10: But that was like a big reference track for me.

558
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, that's cool.

559
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:06,800
Speaker 2: Do we make it sound like this?

560
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:11,320
Speaker 1: That album sounds so specific because I made it danger

561
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 1: Mouse and those chords specifically on that song. I mean

562
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 1: those were his chords.

563
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 10: Okay, he wrote that together.

564
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 1: We wrote all the songs on that record together. And

565
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 1: he's an amazing songwriter. And I had never written with

566
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 1: someone in the studio before.

567
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 10: Really you would you were doing it on your own.

568
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 10: And then bring would well or.

569
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 1: I also sang a lot of songs up to that

570
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 1: point by band members and did covers the album before that,

571
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:37,879
Speaker 1: I did write all the songs kind of. And then

572
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 1: but yeah, I brought him in. I didn't write him

573
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 1: in the studio.

574
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 10: Did you feel scared to write in a studio or yeah?

575
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 10: Was it liberating?

576
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, Brian and I were friends at that point, so

577
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 1: that was good. But I was still kind of freaked out,

578
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 1: like what if I can't come up with anything?

579
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 3: Yeah?

580
00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:58,879
Speaker 10: And it was a huge.

581
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 1: It was like one of the turning points in my songwriting,

582
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 1: I think, because I realized he said the best thing.

583
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 1: One day we were kind of tooling around with something

584
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 1: and I couldn't figure out a bridge and we didn't

585
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 1: have any ideas. He's like, it's fine, we'll figure it

586
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 1: out and maybe tomorrow or the next day or the

587
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 1: next day whoa. And I was like, oh, you can

588
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 1: do that. I mean, I don't have to worry about it.

589
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 1: He like took that off my plate and we did.

590
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 10: That's actually that's so magical because that is how the

591
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 10: creative process should be, is that you're taking things off

592
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 10: of your own plate and trusting that that it will

593
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:36,800
Speaker 10: roll out when it's ready. Yeah, when it's ready, and

594
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 10: then and it will be the thing that you want

595
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 10: to say.

596
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 1: That was the biggest lesson and ever since then, I

597
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 1: don't force anything.

598
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:48,720
Speaker 10: Yeah, And so I know it's easy and it's.

599
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:50,880
Speaker 1: Not that it's easy. It's that I'm not. I'm not

600
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:52,919
Speaker 1: trying to pull something out that's not there.

601
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:58,360
Speaker 10: Well, right, it's never easy, but you're not deliberately getting

602
00:36:58,360 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 10: in your own way or making it sad.

603
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,280
Speaker 1: Thing it has to be comes when it comes.

604
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 10: It's so sad. So it's so like, there's so much

605
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 10: surrender in it, and I love it so much. It's

606
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 10: probably the thing I'm the most like I'm learning to

607
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 10: be more loose with because it's true I have I've

608
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 10: had the same experiences with people. I've been lucky enough

609
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 10: to be around musicians who are so good at that

610
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 10: and they know time management and they know that morale

611
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 10: is the biggest thing. It's like the you know, it's

612
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,840
Speaker 10: the thing like my my dearest friend Mike Viola, like

613
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 10: his whole thing when we've recorded together is very much like,

614
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:45,399
Speaker 10: are we not feeling it, then let's walk away.

615
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.

616
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 10: It's not because of apathetic. He is not apathetic. He

617
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:53,760
Speaker 10: is not. He just knows when it's gonna like soil

618
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 10: and idea for good.

619
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 1: Yeah. That's also anytime I've recorded something and it's not

620
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:02,840
Speaker 1: feeling right, but we still finish it, that's bad juju.

621
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 10: It's bad it's bad. It's mistrust. Sorry that.

622
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, what is in my throat? Yeah, the throat

623
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 1: coat is loosening, portraying you.

624
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:13,320
Speaker 10: It's me.

625
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:15,879
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah it's a rural thing.

626
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 10: Yeah, that's a yeah, that's a good that's a good

627
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 10: way to put it. Like, if it don't strangle something

628
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 10: into existence, that's not gonna I won't do it.

629
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

630
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 1: But at the same time, you know, we've put in

631
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:31,839
Speaker 1: the work and we know we know the language. Yeah,

632
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 1: and that's that is work. It's not like, you know,

633
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 1: it's so easy. It's just we've already done that part.

634
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,359
Speaker 1: You know, we've learned the language so that we can

635
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 1: shake it all up and then like let it just

636
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 1: come out.

637
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 10: Yeah, learn unlearned kind and learn it a little. So

638
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 10: I guess maybe I'll take back my previous statement where

639
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 10: I said, like the rules aren't worth learning. I think

640
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 10: they actually are. But so is flexibility, and so it

641
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 10: is like you have to do it all at once,

642
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 10: Yeah I used to. I mean I think I'm a

643
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 10: recovering perfectionist for sure. Yeah, that's yeah. I wonder if

644
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 10: you have a similar thing just because of coming from

645
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 10: the classical world, like that must have been. You don't know,

646
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:14,320
Speaker 10: I'm lazy.

647
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 1: I'm the laziest.

648
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 10: Ever know that.

649
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 1: Okay, I work. I work hard because I'm always working,

650
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 1: but I don't practice well, Like I won't sit at

651
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 1: home and work. Yeah, unless I have.

652
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 10: Something to work for. I think that's good.

653
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 1: So that's kind of why I like to stay busy. Yeah, yeah, busy.

654
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 10: Enough to keep yourself sharp.

655
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why classical music didn't work for me, because

656
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 1: I I was too lazy. Yes, it's yeah, it's hard.

657
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:49,439
Speaker 10: And I mean also like you must have had back

658
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 10: issues from practicing for that many hours.

659
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:52,720
Speaker 1: Like I know, I didn't practice.

660
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 10: I see, you didn't even go through face.

661
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 1: I didn't. I never went through a face. I failed

662
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:02,280
Speaker 1: my college piano jury because oh I know, I'm getting

663
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:05,320
Speaker 1: the sweats just because I didn't practice because it was

664
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 1: classical because I was in jazz school and that was

665
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:10,840
Speaker 1: great with the classical part that you had to do.

666
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 1: I failed and then I dropped out.

667
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 10: I mean that's badass. I don't do that.

668
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 1: Kids at home. Did you go to music school or

669
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:26,360
Speaker 1: anything like as a as a after homeschool.

670
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 10: I really thought about it and and I had a

671
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 10: few months in my senior year of high school of

672
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 10: stress because I just was, like, I have not been

673
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:40,880
Speaker 10: planning for where I'm going to go or I you know,

674
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 10: always knew that I wanted to do music, but like

675
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 10: I didn't know that you could actually, you know, very

676
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,400
Speaker 10: possibly make a career out of it till I was sixteen.

677
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:54,879
Speaker 10: So I don't know. I'm still trying to even figure

678
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 10: out what it means to make a career out of music.

679
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:57,760
Speaker 10: It's very strange.

680
00:40:57,760 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 1: Well it's a lot harder now than it.

681
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:03,320
Speaker 10: Yes, yeah, in a way, it's harder, and it's stranger.

682
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:04,280
Speaker 10: It's getting weirder.

683
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 1: It's weird, and in a lot of ways it's easier

684
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 1: if you're good at social media.

685
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 10: Yes, which I am not. Most artists are. It's not

686
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 10: my time, yeah, yeah, most arts aren't. Like it just

687
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 10: feels like this this secondary job obviously that nobody wants

688
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 10: to do it, almost to do it. No one is

689
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 10: killed at it. Yeah, and that's probably why like the

690
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:30,360
Speaker 10: younger generation of artists are doing very well or like

691
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 10: selling out tours.

692
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:34,840
Speaker 1: And thirty geconds, because yeah, they've figured out they know

693
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:36,279
Speaker 1: how to be themselves on it too.

694
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 10: You know that that's what it is.

695
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:40,320
Speaker 1: It's not that we can't do it that. We have

696
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 1: to find a way to just be true to ourselves

697
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 1: and do it. Yeah, that's the only way to do it.

698
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 10: And people don't always like there's not a lot of

699
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 10: it's not immediate to people. If you're like, well, this

700
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 10: is how I relate to it, like the platform, or

701
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 10: this is how I want to use it's like it's

702
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 10: not never going to be probably or most likely won't

703
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 10: be in fase of metrics. Yeah, metrics, metrics?

704
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 1: Where do we go? Where do we just go?

705
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 10: I don't know. Have you use that word before metrics? Yeah,

706
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 10: I've never.

707
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever used that word.

708
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 2: It's because I.

709
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 10: Like when you when it's time to release an album,

710
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 10: all this stuff gets tossed around, all this language, and

711
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 10: you're like, huh that word and then then I just

712
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 10: said it.

713
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 1: Then it's in your heads in my head.

714
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 10: I I'm actually not going to tell the story. I

715
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 10: was going to tell a story that I'll just tell

716
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 10: you off air.

717
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 1: Someday tell I told a story about depends in the

718
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 1: last podcast, so so permission. Yeah, we're going to delete it.

719
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:49,720
Speaker 10: Though I love it. I love it very much. Yeah, basically,

720
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 10: moral of the story is I just I don't social

721
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:54,280
Speaker 10: media hurts my feelings?

722
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and you read it, you read it?

723
00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:58,800
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, I mean, I guess. I mean that in

724
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 10: less of like a like a actually hurts my feelings.

725
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 10: It's more just like the idea of like technology and

726
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 10: trying to get good at it, that kind of technology.

727
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 10: I'm just like, that's not my bag and I will

728
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 10: get left behind. That's fine. I don't want to. I

729
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 10: don't want to like try and compete and on TikTok.

730
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:20,359
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna do it until you want to sell

731
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:25,359
Speaker 1: a tour. Yeah right, that's when that it's like there's

732
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 1: all these if thens, so don't count it out.

733
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 10: Yeah no, I know it's it's toxic and I'm gonna

734
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 10: talk the talk the tick.

735
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. I don't even know.

736
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 1: I do videos and sometimes my manager posts them and

737
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:45,399
Speaker 1: it's great because I don't know how. Yeah, I love

738
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 1: that I don't have my login info.

739
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 10: When did when did it become a parent that you

740
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:53,800
Speaker 10: were like, oh shit, that Instagram and everything is a

741
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:55,759
Speaker 10: I have to like play this game.

742
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:00,760
Speaker 1: I'm still pretty I still come from the four times,

743
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 1: so you know, I had like a built in audience

744
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 1: in a lucky way. But I think I you know,

745
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 1: I think during the pandemic, I started doing these live

746
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 1: streams and those were fun, Yeah, because I was just

747
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 1: playing interactive Yeah, and I was just playing Yeah. So

748
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:20,959
Speaker 1: that was cool.

749
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 10: That was my way. I love that.

750
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 1: But I don't do that anymore. Yeah, I probably should.

751
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 10: No, you should, like I don't believe it should. If

752
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:30,880
Speaker 10: you want, you.

753
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 1: Can do it exactly. It's hard.

754
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 10: Yeah.

755
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:35,279
Speaker 1: At the time, it was good for me because it

756
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 1: was the only time I played music all week.

757
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 10: Yeah.

758
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 1: I would do once a week, and it was the

759
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:41,800
Speaker 1: only time I touched any music.

760
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 10: Did you have a kid at that point?

761
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:46,320
Speaker 1: I had two little kids?

762
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 10: Wow? So you have two more than that? Oh? God, more?

763
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 1: That would be hard.

764
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 10: No, you're done.

765
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 1: I'm done.

766
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 10: Let everyone know you're done. So done.

767
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 1: Did you grow up with siblings?

768
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 10: I'm the oldest of five girls?

769
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 1: What?

770
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 10: Yeah, which is wild?

771
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 1: Excuse me? I know, all homeschool all homeschooled.

772
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:12,319
Speaker 10: My mom is in the last year of she's still

773
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 10: doing it. Yeah, she's in her senior year.

774
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 1: Hats off. Well. Interesting.

775
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 10: Megan's a badass, she really is. She's and like has

776
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 10: remained kind of in love with it, and it's it's

777
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 10: it's really cool. All my sisters are awesome. Like in

778
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 10: a big family, there's usually room for someone to get

779
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 10: lost in translation, or for there to be one kid

780
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 10: that you're like, I'm worried about. Yeah, and all of

781
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 10: them are just like they're so intelligent and funny and beautiful.

782
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:43,840
Speaker 10: They're like the people that I would probably want to

783
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 10: be friends with if we weren't related, which is really like,

784
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 10: that's that's great, not a given, that's really sweet.

785
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 1: That's amazing.

786
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 10: Yeah, it's it's a fun. It's a It was a

787
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:55,800
Speaker 10: crazy household to grow up, and as you can imagine,

788
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 10: it was a little crazy. There was a lot of

789
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 10: like fights over clothes. That was the only tension that

790
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 10: we had among us as well, at least like the

791
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 10: three oldest, because we started to like, I have the

792
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 10: same shoes side, oh yeah, point, and.

793
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 1: I can't relate. I grew up and only yeah, yeah,

794
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 1: did you want siblings or were you like I did? No,

795
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:22,320
Speaker 1: I did, and I grew up an only child with

796
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 1: a single mom. Okay, but then I have a half

797
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 1: sister and we met when we were grown pretty much

798
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 1: and we both wanted that, so it was good. Now

799
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 1: I have like a grown up sister and we're pretty

800
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 1: close because we met when I was eighteen, So at

801
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 1: this point we've won each other a pretty long time. Yeah,

802
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 1: and that's like for those are such formative years, Yeah

803
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:44,959
Speaker 1: to me, I mean we missed the main formative years,

804
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 1: but yeah, still had some.

805
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 10: That's so sweet.

806
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 1: Yeah you want to switch back more? Yeah, just do

807
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 1: one more song, so you use a lot of different tunings, right,

808
00:46:58,920 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 1: a lot.

809
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 10: Of different tunings. I was in this like strange suspended

810
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:12,959
Speaker 10: tuning for the first song we did Wake. It's cg DFAC,

811
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 10: and I like found it online and wanted to, like

812
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:20,879
Speaker 10: at the beginning of the new year of twenty twenty four,

813
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 10: I wanted to do something that felt like I was

814
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:27,800
Speaker 10: stretching myself, and I was at war with it for

815
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 10: like a week straight, just kind of like almost like

816
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 10: bang my backets all going like I don't understand how

817
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 10: this works. And I love songs for this reason because

818
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:42,360
Speaker 10: you can find like a tiny little pattern of chords

819
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 10: and then just or like a thing that works you

820
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 10: and you go, I think I understand where to put

821
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:52,759
Speaker 10: my fingers, and you understand, like you figure out where

822
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 10: else on the neck or in the tuning, there's there's

823
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 10: more possible. It's just it's so it's really fun. But

824
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 10: this song is an open d oh, it's pretty that's

825
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:05,959
Speaker 10: just a classic. This is a steak of a steak

826
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 10: of ak Okay, the open.

827
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:14,359
Speaker 1: And you always play an acoustic through an amp.

828
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 10: If I'm playing right now, I am, yeah.

829
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:18,840
Speaker 1: But do you usually on stage?

830
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 10: Yes?

831
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:22,720
Speaker 1: I didn't know you could do that until I realized

832
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 1: that Willie Nelson plays his acoustic through his nylon triggered

833
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 1: does he plays it through an amp? That's why it

834
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 1: sounds so specific.

835
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:32,320
Speaker 10: Have you ever sung with Willie?

836
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:32,759
Speaker 2: Yeah?

837
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 10: Oh, I would love to hear that.

838
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:38,320
Speaker 1: He's so fun to sing with because he phrases weird.

839
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 1: But then when you're singing with him, he's kind of

840
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 1: following you, but you're also following him.

841
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 11: Wow.

842
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:49,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like a fun chase, a wormhole, but a

843
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 1: good one.

844
00:48:50,280 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 10: Spiral staircase exactly, Uh, Tom and Jerry episode exactly. Okay, h.

845
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 1: M hm m hm hm h m hmm.

846
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 6: Once you girl, I'm always your girl when I'm here,

847
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:36,839
Speaker 6: when I'm there on a plane headed somewhere, you were

848
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:38,320
Speaker 6: staring down the car.

849
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 1: Was hoping it would be one of ours.

850
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 6: Children and grandchildren riding your cars.

851
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 10: But how you way in for me.

852
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 2: To make a left down on your street? M m,

853
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:10,400
Speaker 2: it's not.

854
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:16,320
Speaker 11: Iftns win.

855
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:28,760
Speaker 6: There's a way something lift said, were your high screen?

856
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 2: Were they blue? Wosy that I forgot to adsscue busy

857
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 2: hand said all to see I.

858
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:56,920
Speaker 11: Love you, lu.

859
00:50:57,800 --> 00:50:58,880
Speaker 2: Oh, but you're.

860
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:08,760
Speaker 6: Making heaven laugh. But it feels like cheers and memories

861
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 6: are all.

862
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 10: We have.

863
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:27,839
Speaker 2: One son knew it. I was always an it all

864
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:37,760
Speaker 2: too busy to stress, die to take the call. Dollar

865
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:43,880
Speaker 2: would always find me there sitting in your TV chair.

866
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:50,759
Speaker 2: Well time is it a bar having a laugh somewhere?

867
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:52,800
Speaker 2: Then less.

868
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:56,320
Speaker 10: Than for me?

869
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:00,319
Speaker 2: Mm hmm two, I go.

870
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 1: To let it be.

871
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:10,360
Speaker 2: It's not.

872
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:12,360
Speaker 1: It not.

873
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 8: In sway there's away something left time say.

874
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 10: W your.

875
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:28,360
Speaker 2: Squeen?

876
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 5: Were they?

877
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 2: What was it that I forgot to excu busy hands

878
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 2: up sidon.

879
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:53,479
Speaker 10: To say, of you here?

880
00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 2: Did God need a nws in hiss been? When this word?

881
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 2: It's people all.

882
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 10: We had.

883
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 2: Once you girl, I'm always.

884
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 1: Girl.

885
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:08,920
Speaker 10: That's perfect.

886
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 1: That song makes me cry. Thank you, it's so beautiful.

887
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:18,920
Speaker 10: Thank you the man I just got lost playing with you.

888
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:22,920
Speaker 10: It's you. It's funny that you just said about yourself

889
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 10: that you're like, I'm so lazy, like everything, everything about

890
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 10: the way you just played is like proof of someone

891
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Speaker 10: who's put in so much work and also to be free. Yeah,

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Speaker 10: and everything you've played just works. It plays around and

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Speaker 10: within the rhythm so beautifully that I feel overwhelmed. Thank

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Speaker 10: you me too.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you changed a key because you were also

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Speaker 1: very free with the song. You must have played it

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Speaker 1: for a long time. Yeah, yeah, yes, it's much different

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Speaker 1: from the recording, So I'm glad I got to throw

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Speaker 1: my notes out and we just got to play. It's

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Speaker 1: always better that way.

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Speaker 10: It's always better to just, yeah, play music. That's what

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Speaker 10: it's for.

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Speaker 1: It was beautiful. Thank you so much for joining me.

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Speaker 10: Thank you so much for having me today. This made

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Speaker 10: my whole week more. Please let's hang, Let's hey, I'll

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Speaker 10: see you in New York.

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Speaker 1: Cool. Yeah, yay. I knew we'd be friends.

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Speaker 10: I knew it. I've belt it in my bones.

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Speaker 1: Incredible. I loved playing with her.

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Speaker 3: Those songs are so just use the perfect word arresting.

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Speaker 1: They aren't those three songs we did specifically are. They're

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Speaker 1: all good though. Everything I've listened to of hers, I'm

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Speaker 1: always like, what is that? I hope we could do

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Speaker 1: more together because she's so good.

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Speaker 15: If you want to know which songs we played in

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Speaker 15: this episode, the first song was Wake from the album Ace,

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Speaker 15: which is from twenty twenty five. The second song we

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Speaker 15: played was My Full Name, also from the twenty twenty

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Speaker 15: five album Ace, and the third song was called Life

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Speaker 15: according to Rachel from her album Revealer recorded in twenty

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Speaker 15: twenty two. Links to Madison Cunningham for joining us today

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Speaker 15: and we'll be back next week with Jason Moran.

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Speaker 1: Nora Jones is playing along as a production of iHeart Podcasts.

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Speaker 1: Visit Norah Jones channel and be sure to subscribe while

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Speaker 1: you're there, I'm your host, Norah Jones. This episode was

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Speaker 1: recorded at Westlake Studios in Los Angeles, California, by Thomas Warren.

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Speaker 1: Assistant engineer was Danforth, Webster backline tech Jason Moser, mixed

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Speaker 1: by Jamie Landry, Audio post production and mastering by Greg Tobler.

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Speaker 1: Additional recording by Matt Marinelli. Creative consulting by First Three,

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Speaker 1: artwork by Eliza Fry, Photography by Shervin Lenez. Produced by

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Speaker 1: Nora Jones and Sarah Oda. Executive producers Aaron wan Kaufman

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Speaker 1: and Jordan Runtogg. Marketing lead Alison Kanter Graber, thanks for

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Speaker 1: listening watching, and tell your friends. I don't know why

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Speaker 1: I said that. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: We're keeping it.

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Speaker 10: Tell your friends, all right,