WEBVTT - Pod Meets Twirl'd: The Traitors 403 0:00:09.680 --> 0:00:12.920 Welcome to Pod meets Tworld, a podcast from two guys 0:00:13.119 --> 0:00:15.040 who had never seen an episode of Dancing with the 0:00:15.040 --> 0:00:18.919 Stars but took it on and walked away experts. So 0:00:19.040 --> 0:00:23.080 now we turn to Traders, another show I've never seen, 0:00:23.520 --> 0:00:26.239 but Will is convinced that he could win. We are 0:00:26.360 --> 0:00:29.520 Will Fredell and Ryder Strong, two best friends, one a 0:00:29.560 --> 0:00:34.480 TV expert, one a TV skeptic, both dance scholars, join 0:00:34.560 --> 0:00:38.000 us as we step into a castle full of lies, alliances, 0:00:38.200 --> 0:00:41.320 and over the top wardrobe choices. This is Pod meets 0:00:41.320 --> 0:00:45.440 Tworld Trading Places. How's it going, Will. 0:00:45.560 --> 0:00:46.520 It's going well righter? 0:00:46.560 --> 0:00:52.040 How are you? I'm good? We are so deep into 0:00:53.320 --> 0:00:58.120 Traders because these three episodes drop right in a row. Yeah, 0:00:58.120 --> 0:01:00.320 I feel like I've already seen a whole season of 0:01:00.360 --> 0:01:01.280 a reality show. 0:01:01.480 --> 0:01:03.800 They suck in, They suck in, and it's a little 0:01:03.880 --> 0:01:05.800 especially after three, it's a little exhausting. 0:01:06.240 --> 0:01:09.319 Yeah, it's well, there's a lot of characters. I mean, 0:01:09.400 --> 0:01:11.560 I feel like, as much as we've already talked for 0:01:11.640 --> 0:01:14.880 two hours about the first two episodes, we still haven't 0:01:14.959 --> 0:01:19.040 covered Like we've mostly focused on four people right a whole. 0:01:19.160 --> 0:01:22.000 But I think that's normal with with with a lot 0:01:22.040 --> 0:01:23.600 of I think with a lot of reality shows. Well, 0:01:23.600 --> 0:01:26.000 I mean you watched Survivor. Is it the same kind 0:01:26.040 --> 0:01:27.720 of thing. Do you start with twenty some people and 0:01:27.760 --> 0:01:28.600 you go from there or. 0:01:28.880 --> 0:01:33.080 Yeah, yeah, Well Survivor has, like, you know, tribes, so 0:01:33.120 --> 0:01:35.959 there's a distinct sense of like, oh, well this there's 0:01:36.000 --> 0:01:38.199 three tribes to begin with you or two at least 0:01:38.200 --> 0:01:40.600 sometimes there's three, but you get a sense of those 0:01:40.760 --> 0:01:43.920 tribal personalities and whether they're succeeding or not together as 0:01:43.959 --> 0:01:46.880 a group. So it's more about like which group dynamic 0:01:46.959 --> 0:01:49.680 do you identify and I think is cool or interesting 0:01:49.760 --> 0:01:52.200 or whatever, Whereas in this case, you know, besides when 0:01:52.240 --> 0:01:55.000 they got on those boats in the first episode, there 0:01:55.040 --> 0:01:58.160 hasn't been really a reason to group together. 0:01:58.640 --> 0:02:01.960 It's really all for one and one. Yeah, no, it's 0:02:02.000 --> 0:02:04.960 not even one for all. It's just all for one, right, no, 0:02:05.080 --> 0:02:06.840 one for It's a solo. 0:02:06.600 --> 0:02:10.400 Thing, That's what I'm saying. 0:02:11.160 --> 0:02:13.360 But you do you finished three episodes of this and like, 0:02:13.520 --> 0:02:15.320 I didn't trust anything my wife was saying to me, 0:02:15.400 --> 0:02:16.720 I didn't trust my mail person. 0:02:16.919 --> 0:02:18.840 I just I was like, what do you mean by that? 0:02:18.880 --> 0:02:19.839 What does that mean? 0:02:22.280 --> 0:02:23.560 When you said the letters for me? 0:02:23.919 --> 0:02:24.680 Did you kill me? 0:02:24.919 --> 0:02:25.160 Did you? 0:02:25.440 --> 0:02:26.359 Did you? Actually? 0:02:26.400 --> 0:02:29.920 What does that mean? Sir and or madam? Yes, I 0:02:29.919 --> 0:02:32.600 don't trust anybody, don't trust them. No. 0:02:33.120 --> 0:02:35.280 I yeah, That's why I couldn't handle this. I would 0:02:35.280 --> 0:02:37.560 be like my wheels would be spinning in my head. 0:02:37.639 --> 0:02:40.920 I would have so much discomfort. I would just be like, 0:02:40.960 --> 0:02:41.800 get me out of here. 0:02:42.080 --> 0:02:43.760 So is this another one where if they called you 0:02:43.800 --> 0:02:45.040 and said we want you to be on Traders you 0:02:45.120 --> 0:02:45.400 say no. 0:02:47.480 --> 0:02:52.040 Yeah, wow, Yeah, I mean way quicker than I mean. 0:02:52.080 --> 0:02:55.360 I would consider it way more than I would Dance 0:02:55.440 --> 0:02:56.120 with the Stars. 0:02:56.360 --> 0:02:58.520 What if, like Johnny, We're and Tara Lepinsky and I'm 0:02:58.520 --> 0:03:00.560 gonna let our audience decide which one of us is 0:03:00.600 --> 0:03:02.880 Johnny and which one of us is Tara? What about 0:03:03.160 --> 0:03:05.120 if they invited us both to go on together? 0:03:05.440 --> 0:03:09.560 Absolutely? Yeah, I do. Would I would do it? 0:03:09.960 --> 0:03:14.880 Yeah. I think it's the fact that my personality would 0:03:15.000 --> 0:03:18.840 probably like I just I would stick out. I feel 0:03:18.880 --> 0:03:20.800 like I would either be way too. 0:03:20.800 --> 0:03:23.160 Quiet and like on my own and. 0:03:23.280 --> 0:03:26.280 Annoying to people in that regard, or just you know, 0:03:26.400 --> 0:03:28.200 like what's up with that guy? And I'd get voted 0:03:28.200 --> 0:03:31.799 off because I was being too shy and quiet or. 0:03:33.760 --> 0:03:35.880 The like switch would be flipped. 0:03:35.600 --> 0:03:37.000 In my brain and I'd be like, oh, I can 0:03:37.040 --> 0:03:37.360 beat this. 0:03:37.520 --> 0:03:37.760 I could. 0:03:37.880 --> 0:03:40.560 And then I would be way too aggressive and way 0:03:40.600 --> 0:03:43.600 too pretentious, and they would vote me out just for 0:03:43.680 --> 0:03:45.720 being obnoxious, and I would make it all about me, 0:03:46.040 --> 0:03:51.000 you know, like they I kind of yeah, yeah, I 0:03:51.040 --> 0:03:53.560 think I would. I think i'd be Michael Rapp, which 0:03:53.600 --> 0:03:55.680 maybe means I should start voting for him and really 0:03:55.680 --> 0:03:59.000 thinking like yeah, because I do kind of feel for him. 0:03:59.240 --> 0:04:00.400 I know he's messed it up. 0:04:00.320 --> 0:04:01.400 But he can't help himself. 0:04:01.480 --> 0:04:03.360 He can't just can't help He absolutely can't. 0:04:03.360 --> 0:04:04.840 And we know for a fact by this point that 0:04:04.880 --> 0:04:06.600 he's a faithful Yeah. 0:04:06.640 --> 0:04:10.440 So it's just he's he's just very aggressive. 0:04:11.080 --> 0:04:14.320 Yeah, it's a different style of playing the I'm gonna 0:04:14.360 --> 0:04:16.560 I'm gonna yell at you until you either vote me 0:04:16.560 --> 0:04:17.200 off or I win. 0:04:17.800 --> 0:04:20.719 That's just that's it. Yeah, very straight. 0:04:20.839 --> 0:04:25.920 So I'm actually really I'm I'm pretty damn good at poker, Okay, 0:04:26.400 --> 0:04:29.719 but it's because I don't have any strategy. I just 0:04:30.160 --> 0:04:34.760 never bluff wow, Okay, So I don't play until I 0:04:34.760 --> 0:04:37.520 have a really good hand and then I but everyone 0:04:37.560 --> 0:04:40.480 assumes I'm bluffing and so I c do you know 0:04:40.520 --> 0:04:42.560 what I mean? Like, it's a different It's just like 0:04:42.720 --> 0:04:45.520 I've just learned how to play, and I just never bluff. 0:04:45.839 --> 0:04:47.960 But if you assume that I might be bluffing because 0:04:48.000 --> 0:04:50.680 I bet big, I'm like, I'm all in and you're like, 0:04:50.760 --> 0:04:52.520 what how could you be all in when you only have? 0:04:52.680 --> 0:04:54.240 But I'm like reading the table and I'm like, no, 0:04:54.320 --> 0:04:56.640 that's I think I have the best hand. Of course, 0:04:56.640 --> 0:04:58.280 I do get burned every once in a while, but 0:04:58.320 --> 0:05:00.880 in general, I've done very well well by just sort 0:05:00.920 --> 0:05:02.800 of not bluffing because I just get so uncomfortable with 0:05:02.800 --> 0:05:05.799 the idea. I don't want to get caught in that position. 0:05:05.920 --> 0:05:07.760 You know, I don't play poker, but I'm pretty damn 0:05:07.800 --> 0:05:09.480 good at candy Crush, and I don't know if that 0:05:09.520 --> 0:05:12.720 would help me in any way in this game. No, no, 0:05:12.760 --> 0:05:14.839 but I can lie and I can play Candy Crush. 0:05:15.320 --> 0:05:17.320 I'd really just go to Scotland for the food because 0:05:17.320 --> 0:05:19.360 it looked like their spreads pretty great. 0:05:19.760 --> 0:05:23.360 See if we both got into this and you ended 0:05:23.440 --> 0:05:25.599 up being a trader and I trusted. 0:05:25.160 --> 0:05:30.680 You, ah, you would imagine that by the end I 0:05:30.720 --> 0:05:31.120 would be. 0:05:31.279 --> 0:05:35.200 Emotionally I would be in so much therapy. I'd be like, no, 0:05:35.480 --> 0:05:37.680 I will and I had a code, like there was 0:05:37.720 --> 0:05:40.520 a sense of we would have liked. I would be 0:05:40.600 --> 0:05:43.359 so devastated because. 0:05:43.160 --> 0:05:44.960 Where I just lied to you the whole time. 0:05:45.040 --> 0:05:48.200 Well, you'd have to write before through your job, and 0:05:48.360 --> 0:05:50.400 I would fall for it because I would just be like, 0:05:50.440 --> 0:05:52.240 I love you. You would never lie to me? 0:05:53.200 --> 0:05:54.960 What if could you lie to me? 0:05:55.279 --> 0:05:55.520 No? 0:05:55.640 --> 0:05:56.360 You know I couldn't. 0:05:56.360 --> 0:05:58.520 I just be like, Will, I'm totally a trader, Just 0:05:58.560 --> 0:06:01.040 please don't vote for me, and I won't kill you. 0:06:01.200 --> 0:06:02.920 And I'll be like, all right, that's fair, Yeah, exactly. 0:06:02.920 --> 0:06:04.480 But see that's a fair A line. I wonder I 0:06:05.560 --> 0:06:06.960 can say that. That's what I'm wondering. 0:06:07.000 --> 0:06:08.520 Can you do that, because that's a fair that's. 0:06:08.360 --> 0:06:12.040 A fair on camera? Like I am a trader? 0:06:12.160 --> 0:06:15.000 No, not that I know, except for when they have 0:06:15.120 --> 0:06:18.520 to ask. Like last season, one of them asked another 0:06:18.560 --> 0:06:20.560 one to join them as traders. So they came up 0:06:20.600 --> 0:06:22.600 and they said, I'm a trader, do you want to 0:06:22.680 --> 0:06:25.600 join me? And it's like if they said no, then 0:06:25.640 --> 0:06:28.320 I think they murdered. But so there's no way. Okay, 0:06:28.320 --> 0:06:29.680 So if you and I were on it, and you 0:06:29.720 --> 0:06:32.080 were a trader, right, there's no way. 0:06:32.120 --> 0:06:35.880 There's no benefit for me like you coming to me 0:06:35.920 --> 0:06:39.159 and saying, I'm a trader, but let's keep it secret 0:06:39.200 --> 0:06:41.600 and let's play the game because I can't win if 0:06:41.640 --> 0:06:42.440 you're still around. 0:06:43.520 --> 0:06:44.000 That's true. 0:06:44.080 --> 0:06:46.920 I also wouldn't be able to tell you who the 0:06:46.960 --> 0:06:49.840 other traders were where. It's like, let's vote. I mean, 0:06:49.880 --> 0:06:52.080 I guess I could have if the strategy is the 0:06:52.320 --> 0:06:54.000 trader or the trader. That's what I'm saying is you 0:06:54.040 --> 0:06:55.680 and I then just vote off all the rest of 0:06:55.720 --> 0:06:58.839 the traders, and then we get to the finals, and 0:06:58.880 --> 0:07:00.560 then we just agree to with the money. 0:07:01.200 --> 0:07:03.320 I mean, that totally goes against the rules of the game, 0:07:03.360 --> 0:07:03.840 doesn't it. 0:07:03.960 --> 0:07:05.920 I don't know. Isn't the game just to lie, cheat 0:07:05.960 --> 0:07:06.839 and steal until you win? 0:07:07.360 --> 0:07:10.040 This is bound to happen at some point, Why wouldn't it. 0:07:10.440 --> 0:07:12.760 This is why Terry Lipinsk and Johnny Weir are telling it. 0:07:12.800 --> 0:07:14.840 There you must be a rule that's if you're a trader, 0:07:14.880 --> 0:07:18.720 you can't reveal that to anybody faithful other faithful that 0:07:18.880 --> 0:07:20.960 there may be a rule, maybe because it'd be too good. 0:07:21.120 --> 0:07:23.560 Then there'd be like double crossings on double crosses. Do 0:07:23.600 --> 0:07:25.400 you know what I mean, but that wouldn't they love 0:07:25.520 --> 0:07:27.520 that show? They would love that as the show. Yeah, 0:07:27.560 --> 0:07:33.280 but if there really ruins the integrity of the game, 0:07:33.560 --> 0:07:37.360 like why this is You're still stabbing, You're still backstabbing 0:07:37.440 --> 0:07:38.920 and lying and cheating and stealing. 0:07:39.200 --> 0:07:41.600 We're just doing it with a different alliance, right, one 0:07:41.680 --> 0:07:44.480 faithful trader get together to take out everybody else. 0:07:44.880 --> 0:07:47.080 But then there's no way that faithful benefits in the 0:07:47.160 --> 0:07:47.800 end because. 0:07:47.720 --> 0:07:49.320 Unless you decide to split the money. 0:07:50.120 --> 0:07:52.400 Because at the end, if there's one trader left, that 0:07:52.440 --> 0:07:54.880 person gets all the money, all the money, all the money. 0:07:54.960 --> 0:07:57.200 So if you go in kind of saying, dude, we'll 0:07:57.200 --> 0:07:59.880 make it to the end, I win all the money. 0:07:59.800 --> 0:08:01.560 And give you after the fact, you'll just give me 0:08:01.560 --> 0:08:01.760 a half. 0:08:01.840 --> 0:08:02.560 Yeah, I give you a half. 0:08:03.080 --> 0:08:04.480 It seems like it should be illegal. 0:08:04.760 --> 0:08:06.640 It does, but I wonder if it is. I mean, 0:08:06.640 --> 0:08:10.480 that's the question, right. They might love it, I mean, 0:08:10.520 --> 0:08:14.800 because that's really it's great drama, great just where it's 0:08:14.840 --> 0:08:18.120 the trader forming his own alliance with a faithful that's 0:08:18.120 --> 0:08:19.480 a friend, a group of taking. 0:08:19.640 --> 0:08:21.400 Why isn't a trader do that with a group of 0:08:21.680 --> 0:08:22.440 like you could? 0:08:23.280 --> 0:08:24.400 You totally could, So. 0:08:24.560 --> 0:08:26.640 That's never happened where a trader's gone to Faithful and 0:08:26.680 --> 0:08:28.680 been like, hey, guys, I know who the other traders are. 0:08:28.840 --> 0:08:29.760 Let's boast them out. 0:08:29.880 --> 0:08:30.520 I don't think so. 0:08:30.880 --> 0:08:33.440 I also wonder if you can just flat out, because 0:08:33.440 --> 0:08:35.560 if that's the case, if you are allowed to tell people, 0:08:35.720 --> 0:08:37.680 I wonder why nobody's been to the Roundtable and just 0:08:37.679 --> 0:08:39.400 been like just flat out live and like Michael told 0:08:39.440 --> 0:08:40.160 me he was a trader. 0:08:40.480 --> 0:08:42.440 He told me flat out he was a trader. So 0:08:42.559 --> 0:08:45.640 either believe him or believe me. But I'm telling you 0:08:45.720 --> 0:08:48.880 at breakfast it wasn't a slip. He told me flat out, 0:08:48.960 --> 0:08:50.560 I am a trader, and I'd love to start an 0:08:50.559 --> 0:08:53.120 alliance with you for us to take everybody out. Why 0:08:53.160 --> 0:08:53.959 couldn't you do that? 0:08:54.400 --> 0:08:57.439 Right? Yeah, there's got to be a rule about this. 0:08:57.480 --> 0:08:58.280 Man, Yeah, I would. 0:08:58.440 --> 0:09:00.360 I would guess there would be too, because it'd be 0:09:00.360 --> 0:09:02.240 too easy to use it to your advantage. 0:09:02.520 --> 0:09:04.040 All right, but who knows? 0:09:04.400 --> 0:09:04.720 All right? 0:09:04.800 --> 0:09:10.079 Continuing into episode three, where we learn at the round 0:09:10.120 --> 0:09:15.199 Table that Rob c was was murdered Smart murdered in 0:09:15.400 --> 0:09:16.120 plain sight? 0:09:16.400 --> 0:09:17.120 Smart? 0:09:17.600 --> 0:09:19.720 Wait, this is it the round table that's a breakfast? None? 0:09:19.800 --> 0:09:20.920 Is that breakfast that we find? 0:09:21.520 --> 0:09:24.760 Okay, sorry, I said at the round table was at breakfast, 0:09:25.320 --> 0:09:29.160 rob c was murdered in plain sight. I love how 0:09:29.200 --> 0:09:32.640 Alan comming just like the rows there withs to the ground, 0:09:32.679 --> 0:09:34.240 some kind of quip and then it's like, looks like 0:09:34.320 --> 0:09:37.640 he's not a survivor. Now is this is this where 0:09:37.640 --> 0:09:41.640 the melted candle outfit made its appearance? 0:09:41.679 --> 0:09:43.920 Because the next I think or I don't know what 0:09:44.040 --> 0:09:46.120 it is, but it's just like a giant yellow It's 0:09:46.160 --> 0:09:54.880 like somebody it's brilliant. It's somebody took genius discussed, yes, amazing, disgusting, genius, brilliant. 0:09:55.080 --> 0:09:58.079 It's like they took a big bird suit and melted 0:09:58.120 --> 0:10:00.280 it down in all the plastic and then just made 0:10:00.280 --> 0:10:00.880 that an outfit. 0:10:01.320 --> 0:10:02.760 Yes, yeah, brilliant. 0:10:03.080 --> 0:10:06.079 Right, okay, yeah, so this is this is I wrote 0:10:06.120 --> 0:10:07.559 down big bird outfit. 0:10:10.120 --> 0:10:10.600 This is it? 0:10:10.640 --> 0:10:13.400 Man, he's he was. It was like, what's happening? And 0:10:13.440 --> 0:10:15.480 then in the next scene during the roundtable, I was 0:10:15.559 --> 0:10:17.600 looking at it. I was like, oh, it's like it's 0:10:17.800 --> 0:10:22.200 melted wax. It looked like vomit. Yeah, the literal vomit. Yes, 0:10:23.080 --> 0:10:27.120 miss great no, missp misstep. He did. 0:10:27.240 --> 0:10:28.920 What I said to Sue was like it just looks 0:10:28.920 --> 0:10:30.080 like he's wearing a melted candle. 0:10:30.360 --> 0:10:32.760 Yeah, there was no and there's no logic too, there 0:10:32.800 --> 0:10:34.320 was no like even I don't know. 0:10:34.400 --> 0:10:36.240 He's big in a yellow. He's wearing a lot of 0:10:36.280 --> 0:10:37.040 yellow this season. 0:10:37.880 --> 0:10:39.880 By the way, just going back to what we're talking 0:10:39.880 --> 0:10:41.640 about about you and I going on the show together, 0:10:41.760 --> 0:10:44.600 an interesting season would be having best friends on the show, 0:10:45.240 --> 0:10:45.840 like pairs. 0:10:46.640 --> 0:10:49.200 And you know, another thought I had, what about doing 0:10:49.200 --> 0:10:54.680 a show with just completely nobody's, like, just normal everyday people. Well, no, 0:10:54.720 --> 0:10:57.120 they're doing it in reality, they're doing that. Didn't you 0:10:57.160 --> 0:10:57.840 see the ads? 0:10:58.120 --> 0:11:00.880 No, oh no, there's ads in between here that are saying, 0:11:01.040 --> 0:11:04.200 we're you know, on NBC this year just regular people 0:11:04.320 --> 0:11:06.679 sign up or doing Traders with just regular people this year. 0:11:06.720 --> 0:11:08.680 That is brilliant. That makes me so happy. 0:11:08.760 --> 0:11:10.240 That's how they did it in the UK apparently. 0:11:10.320 --> 0:11:14.040 Okay, that's great because I think that the celebrity factor 0:11:14.360 --> 0:11:17.280 is definitely playing into this, yes, in a way that 0:11:17.440 --> 0:11:19.800 like changes the game, you know, or just makes it 0:11:19.840 --> 0:11:23.000 a very specific style of game. I would I think 0:11:23.040 --> 0:11:26.640 I would rather watch normal people. Wow. 0:11:26.720 --> 0:11:30.160 Yes, season one had celebs and normal and normal people. Okay, 0:11:30.320 --> 0:11:32.840 I think it shouldn't be a combo. No should either. 0:11:32.840 --> 0:11:34.640 Celebs are normally and I think they should continue with 0:11:34.679 --> 0:11:36.920 both because I want to be on one. But they 0:11:36.960 --> 0:11:39.760 also I think seeing normal people. And then you get 0:11:39.800 --> 0:11:41.880 people that are like game strategists. 0:11:42.240 --> 0:11:45.240 Yeah, this guy was in the military, this woman did this, 0:11:45.320 --> 0:11:47.559 that she was an astronaut, like super smart. You get 0:11:47.600 --> 0:11:50.240 people like on Survivor who lie about their professions because 0:11:50.240 --> 0:11:52.880 they're like they'll be like lawyers, Like lawyers on Survivor 0:11:53.000 --> 0:11:54.760 never admit that they're lawyer. They're always like, I'm a 0:11:54.760 --> 0:11:58.560 plumber and really yeah, because they get targeted otherwise because 0:11:58.559 --> 0:12:00.920 if you were, like, I'm a game strategy, they would 0:12:01.080 --> 0:12:03.520 do like they happened in this Like so what people 0:12:03.679 --> 0:12:05.600 you could lie about that You could be like, oh, 0:12:05.640 --> 0:12:08.880 I'm you know, this person from the South and mehile, 0:12:08.880 --> 0:12:10.840 you're like a NASA scientist. 0:12:11.000 --> 0:12:14.080 Smart, No, you're the guy who invented the game secret 0:12:14.120 --> 0:12:18.080 Nazi exactly that guy, because you'd never admit that. 0:12:32.679 --> 0:12:35.360 So at this point in the episode, Rapaport was just 0:12:35.400 --> 0:12:38.080 going nuts on Jam Jam. This is where he started 0:12:38.080 --> 0:12:41.400 this whole trash talker thing. I'm like, dude, at breakfast, yes, 0:12:41.480 --> 0:12:44.320 at breakfast, Like there's no reason talking trash over question 0:12:44.480 --> 0:12:46.520 Jamjam is not giving it back. He's just kind of 0:12:46.600 --> 0:12:49.000 rolling his eyes, and I was like, dude, let it go. 0:12:49.280 --> 0:12:52.360 Man. He made Rapport look like even more of a 0:12:52.400 --> 0:12:56.880 douche by just not really engaging, and everybody else was like, god, dude, 0:12:56.920 --> 0:12:57.920 just shut up. 0:12:58.240 --> 0:13:00.480 Yeah, those nuts all right? 0:13:00.600 --> 0:13:04.360 Then they went to uh some pow wows or well, well, 0:13:04.360 --> 0:13:07.080 first we had the roundtable, I guess, let me see. 0:13:07.920 --> 0:13:11.880 No, that's an at breakfast, he told them. Alan Cumming 0:13:11.920 --> 0:13:13.680 told them there was going to be a round table 0:13:14.080 --> 0:13:15.600 and a banishment. 0:13:15.559 --> 0:13:19.520 Right, and then thout the castle. And this is where 0:13:19.559 --> 0:13:22.480 Tiffany and Michael went into that secret room, which is 0:13:22.520 --> 0:13:23.280 the coolest thing. 0:13:23.280 --> 0:13:26.200 Does everybody know about this like this? It's been in 0:13:26.280 --> 0:13:27.160 other seasons as well. 0:13:27.240 --> 0:13:27.480 Yeah. 0:13:27.480 --> 0:13:28.160 The second room. 0:13:28.679 --> 0:13:30.920 Uh, and this is where Tiffany started to like really 0:13:30.960 --> 0:13:33.120 pop for me as a player, because she's doing this 0:13:33.160 --> 0:13:35.200 thing where she's going to keep Michael close. 0:13:36.800 --> 0:13:40.439 Trader yeah, which I mean it's kind of a. 0:13:40.360 --> 0:13:43.040 Good strategy maybe, but it also like makes her look 0:13:43.080 --> 0:13:45.840 bad because no one's liking him, right, so I feel 0:13:45.880 --> 0:13:49.439 like she's limiting her social options. She's you know, playing strategy, 0:13:49.480 --> 0:13:52.920 But I don't know, and then this is where Donna started. 0:13:53.040 --> 0:13:55.120 Everyone just started saying they were going to go for Donna, 0:13:55.160 --> 0:13:55.640 and I was. 0:13:55.679 --> 0:14:00.640 Like, why come on, she's bat picking on her, She's 0:14:00.679 --> 0:14:03.120 not picking on Earth. It was necessary, and this is 0:14:03.160 --> 0:14:06.360 also when the producers knew, They absolutely knew she was 0:14:06.400 --> 0:14:08.240 going to go. So it was like, so you think 0:14:08.240 --> 0:14:11.720 they adjusted the one hundred percent absolutely one hundred percent, 0:14:11.760 --> 0:14:14.400 because if she was flying so under the radar, they 0:14:14.400 --> 0:14:17.360 would have kept the Secret Trader a secret for five episodes, 0:14:17.440 --> 0:14:18.600 six episodes. 0:14:18.720 --> 0:14:21.520 So to do it in the beginning of the episode three. 0:14:21.200 --> 0:14:23.480 I was so bummed, all right, So then we went 0:14:23.520 --> 0:14:28.600 to the roundtable, and you know, Donna tried to defend herself. 0:14:29.440 --> 0:14:30.000 She didn't. 0:14:30.040 --> 0:14:32.640 She just kept saying like, I'm I'm just tongue tied 0:14:32.640 --> 0:14:35.160 because I'm such a fan of all I'm a fan, right, Yeah, 0:14:35.240 --> 0:14:38.840 she was trying that and it wasn't really working. Yeah. 0:14:38.880 --> 0:14:42.120 I would say between her choices as the Secret Trader 0:14:42.440 --> 0:14:45.360 and this moment, she really did not play very well. 0:14:45.440 --> 0:14:48.440 I agree, I agree, unfortunately, but I mean she was 0:14:48.480 --> 0:14:51.920 picked for her, you know, identity, you know, for the 0:14:51.920 --> 0:14:54.000 fact that she would be the last person anyone would 0:14:54.000 --> 0:14:56.760 suspect and they clearly wanted to pick her right off 0:14:56.800 --> 0:14:57.040 the bat. 0:14:57.280 --> 0:14:59.560 So sweet too, she just seems so nice. 0:14:59.720 --> 0:15:04.320 Yeah, yeah, Michael and jam Jam went at it. My god, 0:15:05.240 --> 0:15:08.400 and then everyone but Michael voted for Donna and. 0:15:08.320 --> 0:15:10.960 This I was like, if you if you're a trader, 0:15:11.000 --> 0:15:11.880 clap your hands. 0:15:11.720 --> 0:15:13.640 And I was like, oh god, if you stopped, Like, 0:15:13.680 --> 0:15:14.240 oh dude. 0:15:14.320 --> 0:15:17.120 But seriously, at this point, I was very upset with 0:15:17.160 --> 0:15:20.320 the show. I was like, yeah, well, I just thought 0:15:20.400 --> 0:15:24.040 it was like a bunch of celebrities picking on a 0:15:24.160 --> 0:15:27.800 more like a non like she's not a performative on 0:15:27.920 --> 0:15:32.480 camera personality. Everyone else is to some degree, and they're 0:15:32.520 --> 0:15:35.640 all like I just felt like they were pouncing on 0:15:35.720 --> 0:15:39.080 somebody because they could. And I was like, man, they're 0:15:39.120 --> 0:15:43.200 gonna get screwed. But I was so wrong. I was 0:15:43.240 --> 0:15:45.760 so wrong because she was a trader. 0:15:45.880 --> 0:15:48.880 So were you shocked when she was like a trader? Shocked? 0:15:49.760 --> 0:15:50.720 Absolutely shocked? 0:15:51.480 --> 0:15:53.920 Just I mean, man, I just I would have walked 0:15:54.120 --> 0:15:56.960 right into that trap. I would have been I would 0:15:57.000 --> 0:15:58.440 have been defending. 0:15:57.880 --> 0:16:00.240 Her, Donna. Let me tell you all the secrets I know. 0:16:00.440 --> 0:16:03.760 I would have probably lectured everybody about how obnoxious they're being, 0:16:04.240 --> 0:16:08.680 how ageous they're being I would have been the Donna defender. 0:16:08.840 --> 0:16:10.520 I had no instincts that she was. 0:16:10.480 --> 0:16:12.640 The trader, and I just felt like they were picking 0:16:12.680 --> 0:16:17.000 on her because she wasn't like a slick TV personality. 0:16:17.280 --> 0:16:19.880 No, I think it was Vanessa. What's the name of 0:16:19.880 --> 0:16:23.840 the woman you like from Survivor, Natalie Natalie. Natalie was 0:16:23.880 --> 0:16:24.600 the one who's. 0:16:24.320 --> 0:16:28.680 Like, you're you're a perfect, perfect, you know, secret trader. 0:16:29.320 --> 0:16:31.360 And she was saying that, and I was like, but 0:16:31.400 --> 0:16:34.520 that's not that's not fair, Like, don't hold that against her. 0:16:34.520 --> 0:16:35.120 But they were right. 0:16:36.280 --> 0:16:39.120 Was wearing the Seinfeld outfit, I think, or they literally 0:16:39.160 --> 0:16:40.440 make fun of that. It's like she's just wearing a 0:16:40.480 --> 0:16:41.400 Broada jacket, that's what. 0:16:41.640 --> 0:16:45.440 Yeah, she likes showing a lot of skins, shows a 0:16:45.480 --> 0:16:51.200 lot of skin throught. Yeah, she's she's the Bruno open 0:16:51.680 --> 0:16:52.400 open everything. 0:16:52.520 --> 0:16:56.880 Yeah. But they were right again, it's yeah, no Donna. 0:16:57.280 --> 0:17:00.400 It was really uh really cool that they were right. 0:17:01.040 --> 0:17:05.359 I was way wrong. Donna's banished yep. And then they 0:17:05.640 --> 0:17:09.200 went to the mission which gets even cooler and more 0:17:09.359 --> 0:17:13.919 wicker man ish with cages yeah, and like carts with 0:17:14.040 --> 0:17:17.080 cages and then bringing them to the marsh and making 0:17:17.080 --> 0:17:18.960 them run around and find skulls. 0:17:19.040 --> 0:17:23.639 Oh, this is where I fell twice in love with 0:17:23.760 --> 0:17:24.560 Johnny Weir. 0:17:26.840 --> 0:17:31.840 With Johnny who just I My favorite was when Eric 0:17:31.920 --> 0:17:33.320 is like, you're an Olympic. 0:17:33.760 --> 0:17:36.000 Yes, you're an Olympic, like you, so you have to 0:17:36.119 --> 0:17:38.640 run the challenge? Was you had to run down? 0:17:38.680 --> 0:17:42.280 Well, we should say whoever's he says, first of all, 0:17:42.280 --> 0:17:43.200 you got a partner up. 0:17:43.640 --> 0:17:45.680 Yeah, and they don't want to be the odd man 0:17:45.720 --> 0:17:49.080 out right, And which is where Ron got screwed. And 0:17:49.200 --> 0:17:53.440 I agreed, unfair because I'm I'm like the only person 0:17:53.440 --> 0:17:57.480 who was Like Ron was defending Donna, which totally made 0:17:57.560 --> 0:18:01.200 sense in my mind. He was pointing out Porsche, which 0:18:01.320 --> 0:18:05.320 also totally made sense, and like, is everyone forgetting that 0:18:05.480 --> 0:18:08.840