Speaker 1: Welcome to Pod meets Tworld, a podcast from two guys
Speaker 1: who had never seen an episode of Dancing with the
Speaker 1: Stars but took it on and walked away experts. So
Speaker 1: now we turn to Traders, another show I've never seen,
Speaker 1: but Will is convinced that he could win. We are
Speaker 1: Will Fredell and Ryder Strong, two best friends, one a
Speaker 1: TV expert, one a TV skeptic, both dance scholars, join
Speaker 1: us as we step into a castle full of lies, alliances,
Speaker 1: and over the top wardrobe choices. This is Pod meets
Speaker 1: Tworld Trading Places. How's it going, Will.
Speaker 2: It's going well righter?
Speaker 1: How are you? I'm good? We are so deep into
Speaker 1: Traders because these three episodes drop right in a row. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel like I've already seen a whole season of
Speaker 1: a reality show.
Speaker 3: They suck in, They suck in, and it's a little
Speaker 3: especially after three, it's a little exhausting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's well, there's a lot of characters. I mean,
Speaker 1: I feel like, as much as we've already talked for
Speaker 1: two hours about the first two episodes, we still haven't
Speaker 1: covered Like we've mostly focused on four people right a whole.
Speaker 3: But I think that's normal with with with a lot
Speaker 3: of I think with a lot of reality shows. Well,
Speaker 3: I mean you watched Survivor. Is it the same kind
Speaker 3: of thing. Do you start with twenty some people and
Speaker 3: you go from there or.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Well Survivor has, like, you know, tribes, so
Speaker 1: there's a distinct sense of like, oh, well this there's
Speaker 1: three tribes to begin with you or two at least
Speaker 1: sometimes there's three, but you get a sense of those
Speaker 1: tribal personalities and whether they're succeeding or not together as
Speaker 1: a group. So it's more about like which group dynamic
Speaker 1: do you identify and I think is cool or interesting
Speaker 1: or whatever, Whereas in this case, you know, besides when
Speaker 1: they got on those boats in the first episode, there
Speaker 1: hasn't been really a reason to group together.
Speaker 3: It's really all for one and one. Yeah, no, it's
Speaker 3: not even one for all. It's just all for one, right, no,
Speaker 3: one for It's a solo.
Speaker 2: Thing, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: But you do you finished three episodes of this and like,
Speaker 3: I didn't trust anything my wife was saying to me,
Speaker 3: I didn't trust my mail person.
Speaker 2: I just I was like, what do you mean by that?
Speaker 2: What does that mean?
Speaker 1: When you said the letters for me?
Speaker 2: Did you kill me?
Speaker 1: Did you?
Speaker 2: Did you? Actually?
Speaker 3: What does that mean? Sir and or madam? Yes, I
Speaker 3: don't trust anybody, don't trust them. No.
Speaker 1: I yeah, That's why I couldn't handle this. I would
Speaker 1: be like my wheels would be spinning in my head.
Speaker 1: I would have so much discomfort. I would just be like,
Speaker 1: get me out of here.
Speaker 3: So is this another one where if they called you
Speaker 3: and said we want you to be on Traders you
Speaker 3: say no.
Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, Yeah, I mean way quicker than I mean.
Speaker 1: I would consider it way more than I would Dance
Speaker 1: with the Stars.
Speaker 3: What if, like Johnny, We're and Tara Lepinsky and I'm
Speaker 3: gonna let our audience decide which one of us is
Speaker 3: Johnny and which one of us is Tara? What about
Speaker 3: if they invited us both to go on together?
Speaker 2: Absolutely? Yeah, I do. Would I would do it?
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think it's the fact that my personality would
Speaker 1: probably like I just I would stick out. I feel
Speaker 1: like I would either be way too.
Speaker 2: Quiet and like on my own and.
Speaker 1: Annoying to people in that regard, or just you know,
Speaker 1: like what's up with that guy? And I'd get voted
Speaker 1: off because I was being too shy and quiet or.
Speaker 2: The like switch would be flipped.
Speaker 1: In my brain and I'd be like, oh, I can
Speaker 1: beat this.
Speaker 2: I could.
Speaker 1: And then I would be way too aggressive and way
Speaker 1: too pretentious, and they would vote me out just for
Speaker 1: being obnoxious, and I would make it all about me,
Speaker 1: you know, like they I kind of yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: think I would. I think i'd be Michael Rapp, which
Speaker 1: maybe means I should start voting for him and really
Speaker 1: thinking like yeah, because I do kind of feel for him.
Speaker 2: I know he's messed it up.
Speaker 1: But he can't help himself.
Speaker 2: He can't just can't help He absolutely can't.
Speaker 3: And we know for a fact by this point that
Speaker 3: he's a faithful Yeah.
Speaker 2: So it's just he's he's just very aggressive.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a different style of playing the I'm gonna
Speaker 3: I'm gonna yell at you until you either vote me
Speaker 3: off or I win.
Speaker 2: That's just that's it. Yeah, very straight.
Speaker 1: So I'm actually really I'm I'm pretty damn good at poker, Okay,
Speaker 1: but it's because I don't have any strategy. I just
Speaker 1: never bluff wow, Okay, So I don't play until I
Speaker 1: have a really good hand and then I but everyone
Speaker 1: assumes I'm bluffing and so I c do you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like, it's a different It's just like
Speaker 1: I've just learned how to play, and I just never bluff.
Speaker 1: But if you assume that I might be bluffing because
Speaker 1: I bet big, I'm like, I'm all in and you're like,
Speaker 1: what how could you be all in when you only have?
Speaker 1: But I'm like reading the table and I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: that's I think I have the best hand. Of course,
Speaker 1: I do get burned every once in a while, but
Speaker 1: in general, I've done very well well by just sort
Speaker 1: of not bluffing because I just get so uncomfortable with
Speaker 1: the idea. I don't want to get caught in that position.
Speaker 3: You know, I don't play poker, but I'm pretty damn
Speaker 3: good at candy Crush, and I don't know if that
Speaker 3: would help me in any way in this game. No, no,
Speaker 3: but I can lie and I can play Candy Crush.
Speaker 3: I'd really just go to Scotland for the food because
Speaker 3: it looked like their spreads pretty great.
Speaker 1: See if we both got into this and you ended
Speaker 1: up being a trader and I trusted.
Speaker 2: You, ah, you would imagine that by the end I
Speaker 2: would be.
Speaker 1: Emotionally I would be in so much therapy. I'd be like, no,
Speaker 1: I will and I had a code, like there was
Speaker 1: a sense of we would have liked. I would be
Speaker 1: so devastated because.
Speaker 2: Where I just lied to you the whole time.
Speaker 1: Well, you'd have to write before through your job, and
Speaker 1: I would fall for it because I would just be like,
Speaker 1: I love you. You would never lie to me?
Speaker 2: What if could you lie to me?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 2: You know I couldn't.
Speaker 1: I just be like, Will, I'm totally a trader, Just
Speaker 1: please don't vote for me, and I won't kill you.
Speaker 3: And I'll be like, all right, that's fair, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3: But see that's a fair A line. I wonder I
Speaker 3: can say that. That's what I'm wondering.
Speaker 2: Can you do that, because that's a fair that's.
Speaker 1: A fair on camera? Like I am a trader?
Speaker 3: No, not that I know, except for when they have
Speaker 3: to ask. Like last season, one of them asked another
Speaker 3: one to join them as traders. So they came up
Speaker 3: and they said, I'm a trader, do you want to
Speaker 3: join me? And it's like if they said no, then
Speaker 3: I think they murdered. But so there's no way. Okay,
Speaker 3: So if you and I were on it, and you
Speaker 3: were a trader, right, there's no way.
Speaker 1: There's no benefit for me like you coming to me
Speaker 1: and saying, I'm a trader, but let's keep it secret
Speaker 1: and let's play the game because I can't win if
Speaker 1: you're still around.
Speaker 2: That's true.
Speaker 3: I also wouldn't be able to tell you who the
Speaker 3: other traders were where. It's like, let's vote. I mean,
Speaker 3: I guess I could have if the strategy is the
Speaker 3: trader or the trader. That's what I'm saying is you
Speaker 3: and I then just vote off all the rest of
Speaker 3: the traders, and then we get to the finals, and
Speaker 3: then we just agree to with the money.
Speaker 1: I mean, that totally goes against the rules of the game,
Speaker 1: doesn't it.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Isn't the game just to lie, cheat
Speaker 2: and steal until you win?
Speaker 1: This is bound to happen at some point, Why wouldn't it.
Speaker 1: This is why Terry Lipinsk and Johnny Weir are telling it.
Speaker 1: There you must be a rule that's if you're a trader,
Speaker 1: you can't reveal that to anybody faithful other faithful that
Speaker 1: there may be a rule, maybe because it'd be too good.
Speaker 1: Then there'd be like double crossings on double crosses. Do
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, but that wouldn't they love
Speaker 1: that show? They would love that as the show. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but if there really ruins the integrity of the game,
Speaker 1: like why this is You're still stabbing, You're still backstabbing
Speaker 1: and lying and cheating and stealing.
Speaker 3: We're just doing it with a different alliance, right, one
Speaker 3: faithful trader get together to take out everybody else.
Speaker 1: But then there's no way that faithful benefits in the
Speaker 1: end because.
Speaker 2: Unless you decide to split the money.
Speaker 3: Because at the end, if there's one trader left, that
Speaker 3: person gets all the money, all the money, all the money.
Speaker 3: So if you go in kind of saying, dude, we'll
Speaker 3: make it to the end, I win all the money.
Speaker 1: And give you after the fact, you'll just give me
Speaker 1: a half.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I give you a half.
Speaker 1: It seems like it should be illegal.
Speaker 3: It does, but I wonder if it is. I mean,
Speaker 3: that's the question, right. They might love it, I mean,
Speaker 3: because that's really it's great drama, great just where it's
Speaker 3: the trader forming his own alliance with a faithful that's
Speaker 3: a friend, a group of taking.
Speaker 1: Why isn't a trader do that with a group of
Speaker 1: like you could?
Speaker 2: You totally could, So.
Speaker 1: That's never happened where a trader's gone to Faithful and
Speaker 1: been like, hey, guys, I know who the other traders are.
Speaker 1: Let's boast them out.
Speaker 2: I don't think so.
Speaker 3: I also wonder if you can just flat out, because
Speaker 3: if that's the case, if you are allowed to tell people,
Speaker 3: I wonder why nobody's been to the Roundtable and just
Speaker 3: been like just flat out live and like Michael told
Speaker 3: me he was a trader.
Speaker 2: He told me flat out he was a trader. So
Speaker 2: either believe him or believe me. But I'm telling you
Speaker 2: at breakfast it wasn't a slip. He told me flat out,
Speaker 2: I am a trader, and I'd love to start an
Speaker 2: alliance with you for us to take everybody out. Why
Speaker 2: couldn't you do that?
Speaker 1: Right? Yeah, there's got to be a rule about this.
Speaker 2: Man, Yeah, I would.
Speaker 3: I would guess there would be too, because it'd be
Speaker 3: too easy to use it to your advantage.
Speaker 2: All right, but who knows?
Speaker 4: All right?
Speaker 1: Continuing into episode three, where we learn at the round
Speaker 1: Table that Rob c was was murdered Smart murdered in
Speaker 1: plain sight?
Speaker 2: Smart?
Speaker 1: Wait, this is it the round table that's a breakfast? None?
Speaker 2: Is that breakfast that we find?
Speaker 1: Okay, sorry, I said at the round table was at breakfast,
Speaker 1: rob c was murdered in plain sight. I love how
Speaker 1: Alan comming just like the rows there withs to the ground,
Speaker 1: some kind of quip and then it's like, looks like
Speaker 1: he's not a survivor. Now is this is this where
Speaker 1: the melted candle outfit made its appearance?
Speaker 3: Because the next I think or I don't know what
Speaker 3: it is, but it's just like a giant yellow It's
Speaker 3: like somebody it's brilliant. It's somebody took genius discussed, yes, amazing, disgusting, genius, brilliant.
Speaker 3: It's like they took a big bird suit and melted
Speaker 3: it down in all the plastic and then just made
Speaker 3: that an outfit.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, brilliant.
Speaker 1: Right, okay, yeah, so this is this is I wrote
Speaker 1: down big bird outfit.
Speaker 2: This is it?
Speaker 1: Man, he's he was. It was like, what's happening? And
Speaker 1: then in the next scene during the roundtable, I was
Speaker 1: looking at it. I was like, oh, it's like it's
Speaker 1: melted wax. It looked like vomit. Yeah, the literal vomit. Yes,
Speaker 1: miss great no, missp misstep. He did.
Speaker 2: What I said to Sue was like it just looks
Speaker 2: like he's wearing a melted candle.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was no and there's no logic too, there
Speaker 1: was no like even I don't know.
Speaker 2: He's big in a yellow. He's wearing a lot of
Speaker 2: yellow this season.
Speaker 3: By the way, just going back to what we're talking
Speaker 3: about about you and I going on the show together,
Speaker 3: an interesting season would be having best friends on the show,
Speaker 3: like pairs.
Speaker 1: And you know, another thought I had, what about doing
Speaker 1: a show with just completely nobody's, like, just normal everyday people. Well, no,
Speaker 1: they're doing it in reality, they're doing that. Didn't you
Speaker 1: see the ads?
Speaker 3: No, oh no, there's ads in between here that are saying,
Speaker 3: we're you know, on NBC this year just regular people
Speaker 3: sign up or doing Traders with just regular people this year.
Speaker 1: That is brilliant. That makes me so happy.
Speaker 2: That's how they did it in the UK apparently.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's great because I think that the celebrity factor
Speaker 1: is definitely playing into this, yes, in a way that
Speaker 1: like changes the game, you know, or just makes it
Speaker 1: a very specific style of game. I would I think
Speaker 1: I would rather watch normal people. Wow.
Speaker 3: Yes, season one had celebs and normal and normal people. Okay,
Speaker 3: I think it shouldn't be a combo. No should either.
Speaker 3: Celebs are normally and I think they should continue with
Speaker 3: both because I want to be on one. But they
Speaker 3: also I think seeing normal people. And then you get
Speaker 3: people that are like game strategists.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this guy was in the military, this woman did this,
Speaker 1: that she was an astronaut, like super smart. You get
Speaker 1: people like on Survivor who lie about their professions because
Speaker 1: they're like they'll be like lawyers, Like lawyers on Survivor
Speaker 1: never admit that they're lawyer. They're always like, I'm a
Speaker 1: plumber and really yeah, because they get targeted otherwise because
Speaker 1: if you were, like, I'm a game strategy, they would
Speaker 1: do like they happened in this Like so what people
Speaker 1: you could lie about that You could be like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm you know, this person from the South and mehile,
Speaker 1: you're like a NASA scientist.
Speaker 3: Smart, No, you're the guy who invented the game secret
Speaker 3: Nazi exactly that guy, because you'd never admit that.
Speaker 1: So at this point in the episode, Rapaport was just
Speaker 1: going nuts on Jam Jam. This is where he started
Speaker 1: this whole trash talker thing. I'm like, dude, at breakfast, yes,
Speaker 1: at breakfast, Like there's no reason talking trash over question
Speaker 1: Jamjam is not giving it back. He's just kind of
Speaker 1: rolling his eyes, and I was like, dude, let it go.
Speaker 3: Man. He made Rapport look like even more of a
Speaker 3: douche by just not really engaging, and everybody else was like, god, dude,
Speaker 3: just shut up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, those nuts all right?
Speaker 1: Then they went to uh some pow wows or well, well,
Speaker 1: first we had the roundtable, I guess, let me see.
Speaker 3: No, that's an at breakfast, he told them. Alan Cumming
Speaker 3: told them there was going to be a round table
Speaker 3: and a banishment.
Speaker 1: Right, and then thout the castle. And this is where
Speaker 1: Tiffany and Michael went into that secret room, which is
Speaker 1: the coolest thing.
Speaker 2: Does everybody know about this like this? It's been in
Speaker 2: other seasons as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The second room.
Speaker 1: Uh, and this is where Tiffany started to like really
Speaker 1: pop for me as a player, because she's doing this
Speaker 1: thing where she's going to keep Michael close.
Speaker 2: Trader yeah, which I mean it's kind of a.
Speaker 1: Good strategy maybe, but it also like makes her look
Speaker 1: bad because no one's liking him, right, so I feel
Speaker 1: like she's limiting her social options. She's you know, playing strategy,
Speaker 1: But I don't know, and then this is where Donna started.
Speaker 1: Everyone just started saying they were going to go for Donna,
Speaker 1: and I was.
Speaker 3: Like, why come on, she's bat picking on her, She's
Speaker 3: not picking on Earth. It was necessary, and this is
Speaker 3: also when the producers knew, They absolutely knew she was
Speaker 3: going to go. So it was like, so you think
Speaker 3: they adjusted the one hundred percent absolutely one hundred percent,
Speaker 3: because if she was flying so under the radar, they
Speaker 3: would have kept the Secret Trader a secret for five episodes,
Speaker 3: six episodes.
Speaker 2: So to do it in the beginning of the episode three.
Speaker 1: I was so bummed, all right, So then we went
Speaker 1: to the roundtable, and you know, Donna tried to defend herself.
Speaker 2: She didn't.
Speaker 1: She just kept saying like, I'm I'm just tongue tied
Speaker 1: because I'm such a fan of all I'm a fan, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: she was trying that and it wasn't really working. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I would say between her choices as the Secret Trader
Speaker 1: and this moment, she really did not play very well.
Speaker 1: I agree, I agree, unfortunately, but I mean she was
Speaker 1: picked for her, you know, identity, you know, for the
Speaker 1: fact that she would be the last person anyone would
Speaker 1: suspect and they clearly wanted to pick her right off
Speaker 1: the bat.
Speaker 2: So sweet too, she just seems so nice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Michael and jam Jam went at it. My god,
Speaker 1: and then everyone but Michael voted for Donna and.
Speaker 3: This I was like, if you if you're a trader,
Speaker 3: clap your hands.
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh god, if you stopped, Like,
Speaker 2: oh dude.
Speaker 1: But seriously, at this point, I was very upset with
Speaker 1: the show. I was like, yeah, well, I just thought
Speaker 1: it was like a bunch of celebrities picking on a
Speaker 1: more like a non like she's not a performative on
Speaker 1: camera personality. Everyone else is to some degree, and they're
Speaker 1: all like I just felt like they were pouncing on
Speaker 1: somebody because they could. And I was like, man, they're
Speaker 1: gonna get screwed. But I was so wrong. I was
Speaker 1: so wrong because she was a trader.
Speaker 2: So were you shocked when she was like a trader? Shocked?
Speaker 2: Absolutely shocked?
Speaker 1: Just I mean, man, I just I would have walked
Speaker 1: right into that trap. I would have been I would
Speaker 1: have been defending.
Speaker 2: Her, Donna. Let me tell you all the secrets I know.
Speaker 1: I would have probably lectured everybody about how obnoxious they're being,
Speaker 1: how ageous they're being I would have been the Donna defender.
Speaker 2: I had no instincts that she was.
Speaker 1: The trader, and I just felt like they were picking
Speaker 1: on her because she wasn't like a slick TV personality.
Speaker 3: No, I think it was Vanessa. What's the name of
Speaker 3: the woman you like from Survivor, Natalie Natalie. Natalie was
Speaker 3: the one who's.
Speaker 2: Like, you're you're a perfect, perfect, you know, secret trader.
Speaker 1: And she was saying that, and I was like, but
Speaker 1: that's not that's not fair, Like, don't hold that against her.
Speaker 1: But they were right.
Speaker 3: Was wearing the Seinfeld outfit, I think, or they literally
Speaker 3: make fun of that. It's like she's just wearing a
Speaker 3: Broada jacket, that's what.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she likes showing a lot of skins, shows a
Speaker 1: lot of skin throught. Yeah, she's she's the Bruno open
Speaker 1: open everything.
Speaker 2: Yeah. But they were right again, it's yeah, no Donna.
Speaker 1: It was really uh really cool that they were right.
Speaker 1: I was way wrong. Donna's banished yep. And then they
Speaker 1: went to the mission which gets even cooler and more
Speaker 1: wicker man ish with cages yeah, and like carts with
Speaker 1: cages and then bringing them to the marsh and making
Speaker 1: them run around and find skulls.
Speaker 3: Oh, this is where I fell twice in love with
Speaker 3: Johnny Weir.
Speaker 1: With Johnny who just I My favorite was when Eric
Speaker 1: is like, you're an Olympic.
Speaker 2: Yes, you're an Olympic, like you, so you have to
Speaker 2: run the challenge? Was you had to run down?
Speaker 3: Well, we should say whoever's he says, first of all,
Speaker 3: you got a partner up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they don't want to be the odd man
Speaker 1: out right, And which is where Ron got screwed. And
Speaker 1: I agreed, unfair because I'm I'm like the only person
Speaker 1: who was Like Ron was defending Donna, which totally made
Speaker 1: sense in my mind. He was pointing out Porsche, which
Speaker 1: also totally made sense, and like, is everyone forgetting that
Speaker 1: most of them voted for Porsche too? So like Ron
Speaker 1: presenting the information that he had the evidence against Porschia
Speaker 1: doesn't make him more likely A trader doesn't make it,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't think.
Speaker 3: Like he was, Well, it depends so some what because
Speaker 3: what the traders want to do is they want to
Speaker 3: get all the faithfuls out right.
Speaker 2: So in this case, you're a trader.
Speaker 3: But if you're a trader, you could manufacture I heard
Speaker 3: her say this or this is the evidence I'm bringing.
Speaker 1: Then you get everyone to vote her out and then
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, so it's like he was on Donna's side.
Speaker 1: They're thinking, so she turned out to be a trader, right,
Speaker 1: because they don't know that she's a secret.
Speaker 2: Trader, right, they just know she's a trader.
Speaker 1: See. That's what's messing me up in my head because
Speaker 1: I'm like, if you know that she's the secret trader
Speaker 1: when she gets called out, the person who was defending
Speaker 1: her couldn't possibly also be a trader because they wouldn't know.
Speaker 1: But in this case, they're assuming because he defended her.
Speaker 3: Hmm, that's yeah, that's anybody. And it's like, wow, he
Speaker 3: really wanted to get her out here, and.
Speaker 2: It's like she's nice.
Speaker 3: Feel I feel for because I think he's a funny,
Speaker 3: nice guy, a funny nice guy.
Speaker 2: But it seems like anything that puts the spotlight on you.
Speaker 1: Is not a good thing, and just keep your mouth shut, yes,
Speaker 1: keep your mouth shut, yes, which is why I think
Speaker 1: Mark is.
Speaker 2: Doing very well, kind of flying under the radar so far.
Speaker 2: Kristin Gish, Yeah, Kristin Gish is the same way.
Speaker 3: So there's yeah, there's but then you so the challenge
Speaker 3: is you.
Speaker 2: Have to go down there.
Speaker 3: There's you decide which one of them is going to
Speaker 3: be in the cage, which one's going to stay out.
Speaker 3: And then once you're in there knowing what the challenge is, right,
Speaker 3: and then you find it out.
Speaker 1: But at this point you probably know it's something slightly physical, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're all kind of physical, but.
Speaker 3: You also don't They're like, you got to decide how
Speaker 3: much you trust your partner and who gets in the
Speaker 3: cage and who doesn't get in the cage.
Speaker 1: Because the idea there is that if you if your
Speaker 1: partner wanted to screw you, they would just leave you
Speaker 1: in there.
Speaker 2: Well, think about it.
Speaker 3: If you're a trader and you partner up with somebody
Speaker 3: that you want to get out, it would be a
Speaker 3: great way to I can't find the skulls and now
Speaker 3: you're up for murder, and then you.
Speaker 2: Can put yourself.
Speaker 1: None of the traders did that.
Speaker 2: No, but you easily could have.
Speaker 3: That's why it's like, you better trust your partner because
Speaker 3: if I want to screw you over, I'm a trader
Speaker 3: and you're a faithful and I'm yelling from the swamp rider,
Speaker 3: I can't find the tenth good skull where meanwhile, I
Speaker 3: see it right over there. Now you're up for murder
Speaker 3: and then I can we can kill you off.
Speaker 1: Didn't come up, but that actually is a good reason
Speaker 1: to think that, like Johnny would be a trader exactly.
Speaker 1: Eric didn't actually bring it, like they nobody really brought
Speaker 1: that up.
Speaker 3: I think almost anybody else but Johnny they would have
Speaker 3: thought was a trader. I think Johnny they were just
Speaker 3: kind of like, he doesn't want to run around the
Speaker 3: marsh and.
Speaker 1: Grab He's sitting there and he's like, these challenges have
Speaker 1: been specifically hard for me. Uh one water two marsh,
Speaker 1: that's what they're called. Challenge is dumb ass. If it
Speaker 1: was easy, if it was like figure skating, yeah, go
Speaker 1: every Okay, well I really you know, I thought we
Speaker 1: would just be getting brunch and that would be our
Speaker 1: What are you talking about? It's gonna be it's a challenge,
Speaker 1: challenging this. Yes, I couldn't believe he said that. It
Speaker 1: was just like, you know, why are we just sitting
Speaker 1: on comfortable chairs and talk them all the time. It
Speaker 1: doesn't make sense.
Speaker 2: But I love that, dude, you're your Olympic yes athlete.
Speaker 2: It was truly.
Speaker 1: He showed up after ten minutes and had not even like, no,
Speaker 1: come on.
Speaker 3: About four minutes in you heard of me went off Kit.
Speaker 3: It was just like and then, so you got to
Speaker 3: find the skulls. You've got to bring them back.
Speaker 2: And then I was like, Okay, this isn't that hard.
Speaker 2: And then I saw them start to stack them, and
Speaker 2: I was.
Speaker 1: Like, oh, it's really challenged.
Speaker 3: This could be really difficult because you've got to stack
Speaker 3: these things on top of each other.
Speaker 1: And they all had these different strategies. Like some people
Speaker 1: were like reverse, Who wasn't that just did a perfect
Speaker 1: like all the same direction.
Speaker 2: I forget it.
Speaker 1: But it was like, damn, I can't believe that worked.
Speaker 2: Was perfect.
Speaker 1: It was perfect.
Speaker 3: And so if you get out of the cage, you're fine.
Speaker 3: If you stuck, you're stuck in the cage, you're up
Speaker 3: for murder.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Colton was was flailing at this one too, and.
Speaker 3: He's just play yeah again, what's what's going on in
Speaker 3: a bachelor?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: My god, I love that.
Speaker 1: Carol. Caroline was like, what's going on? You can't do
Speaker 1: it was the wrong part.
Speaker 2: But yeah, but that's interesting.
Speaker 1: None of them people that were stuck in the cage
Speaker 1: brought up the thing that you brought up, which is
Speaker 1: very a really good point that you could be looking
Speaker 1: at your partner and saying, are they tanking this intentionally?
Speaker 2: That didn't coactly, that didn't come up, and think about
Speaker 2: this challenge. How easy that would be my brain.
Speaker 1: Doesn't I would be the one in the cage going like, oh,
Speaker 1: poor John didn't do it. I would never think they're
Speaker 1: a trader and they're screwing me intentionally, which you kind
Speaker 1: of have to think, like.
Speaker 4: Of course, and think about how easy it would be
Speaker 4: such a sucker to blow it because of course just
Speaker 4: trip or not even that I'm covering yourself in mud
Speaker 4: when nobody's looking, and come back about it.
Speaker 3: Not even that, think about Colton, I got all ten
Speaker 3: as fast as possible, and I still just go.
Speaker 2: Six in and I dropped it. I can get it,
Speaker 2: I can get it.
Speaker 1: But Carolin didn't even suspicion, like she never said anything. Nope.
Speaker 2: And that's the genius of playing as a trader. You
Speaker 2: run there, you get the skulls as fast as possible.
Speaker 3: Then you just can't stack them, like there's so many
Speaker 3: ways to screw your opponent, and then there's poor Ron
Speaker 3: just sitting there by himself who had no partner.
Speaker 1: But now Rob did help Mora. So he's a trader, yes,
Speaker 1: to throw off of somebody else like, obviously, I'm not
Speaker 1: a trader.
Speaker 2: We kicked a butt.
Speaker 1: See I'm so I'm so straightforward. I just thought everyone's
Speaker 1: just gonna play the game, like I never thought that
Speaker 1: you could tank a challenge.
Speaker 2: Sure, you get exactly what you have to do.
Speaker 3: Of course, My god, you're gonna be awesome about the
Speaker 3: new The new reality show trusts everybody exactly, which is
Speaker 3: it's just people hanging out.
Speaker 2: And money to people. Just take it. I don't want
Speaker 2: to have any problems. Just take my money.
Speaker 1: Oh do you want to beat me up? Okay? I
Speaker 1: trust you, Okay, I trust.
Speaker 2: So who do we have? And the pairs were what Derinda, Lisa.
Speaker 1: Mirenda and Lisa uh and Lisa did even though she's
Speaker 1: a trader, she was on the shortlist for murder.
Speaker 2: Yep, so she got stuck in her case.
Speaker 1: Derenda did nothing.
Speaker 3: Which as a trader is brilliant. You want to be
Speaker 3: in that cage?
Speaker 2: Hell?
Speaker 1: Yes, Natalie and Monette. Monette got Natalie out. Colton and
Speaker 1: Caroline Colton fumbled, like we said, Michael and Tiffany.
Speaker 3: Tiffany got Michael cage, and he also, I thought, got
Speaker 3: big brownie points by saying to her and everybody else
Speaker 3: heard it, do you want me to go in the cage.
Speaker 3: I'll go in the cage. I trust you. Like so
Speaker 3: it's like, okay, yeah, I'm a fath faithful. I'm a faithful, Yeah.
Speaker 1: A faithful I am right, Maura. But also, isn't that
Speaker 1: what you would do if you're a trader, because you
Speaker 1: know that even if they don't make it, you're not
Speaker 1: going to get murdered.
Speaker 2: Yes, but I mean it would depend.
Speaker 3: I think if if you were seriously fighting against your strength,
Speaker 3: like if, for instance, rob Arr was like, no, I'm
Speaker 3: going to go in the cage and Maura, you're going
Speaker 3: to run down there, grab the things and stack them physically,
Speaker 3: that wouldn't make as much sense as him running down
Speaker 3: there and doing all the physical stuff while she sits
Speaker 3: in the cage. She even said that she's like, does
Speaker 3: anything physical a tankish debt?
Speaker 2: And so it was like whatever it was, whatever it was,
Speaker 2: whatever she said.
Speaker 1: It's the tease that I love. Its thanks to you,
Speaker 1: du want.
Speaker 2: That's what she was saying the whole time, what d
Speaker 2: duunt uh?
Speaker 3: So yeah, but I mean it would it wouldn't have
Speaker 3: made as much sense for rob Ar to not be
Speaker 3: the one running around doing the physical stuff, where even
Speaker 3: she said, like you're doing everything physical, so yes, and
Speaker 3: then you.
Speaker 1: Goes against what Michael did. That's what I mean, like,
Speaker 1: because he is more.
Speaker 2: I guess it's true. To god, You're right, there's so.
Speaker 1: Many levels he actually if he was a trader, that's
Speaker 1: the perfect move to try and like be like, no,
Speaker 1: I'm willing to prove to you.
Speaker 2: But yeah, that's true too.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't know. Tiffany's kind of, you know, getting
Speaker 1: played by Michael. I think she's just But.
Speaker 2: That's the thing that nobody's playing anybody. They're both. This
Speaker 2: game is so infuriating that you're like, am I playing him?
Speaker 2: Or is he playing me?
Speaker 1: Or at the end of the day, you're both in
Speaker 1: the same team.
Speaker 2: Rob and more Rob.
Speaker 1: Rob got Moura out of there. Yep. Candace and Tara,
Speaker 1: uh this one what happened here?
Speaker 3: Canad Candace was stuck in the can. Can got out,
Speaker 3: Candace got out right. Johnny couldn't even.
Speaker 1: Fire completely screwed Johnny literally couldn't even find the skulls.
Speaker 2: Mark and Christen.
Speaker 1: This was heartbreaking because Mark was so close, so close,
Speaker 1: didn't make it.
Speaker 3: Nope, they're my favorite pair by the way of just
Speaker 3: of people playing they're my They're the pair that I
Speaker 3: think I would have the most fun hanging out with
Speaker 3: in a social setting would be these two.
Speaker 2: I don't know why. I just think both very cool people.
Speaker 3: Yes, those are the people you want to drink wine
Speaker 3: with and hang out with at night. Are those two
Speaker 3: people in the castle that would be my that would
Speaker 3: be my team right there?
Speaker 1: Yeah, jam Jam and Steven jam Jam got out.
Speaker 2: Yep, So Jim Jim was the first one to get out,
Speaker 2: I think. And then and then.
Speaker 3: Didn't even stand a chance because he dared to point
Speaker 3: out actual evidence that he had, even though it turned
Speaker 3: out to be wrong, it was actual evidence. He's never
Speaker 3: going to speak again. He's never going to speak again exactly.
Speaker 1: So then after the challenge, they explain they're going to
Speaker 1: get tied to a tree and murdered face to face,
Speaker 1: face to face, which I didn't quite understand what that meant. Uh,
Speaker 1: And I still like, are they gonna because they're not
Speaker 1: going to get to see who the traders are unless
Speaker 1: they're murdered. Correct.
Speaker 3: I think once you're murdered, you pull off the mask
Speaker 3: and you go, I just murdered you.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So brutal. It's so brutal, brutal yet fabulous.
Speaker 1: It's it's entertaining, for sure. It's a lot of twists
Speaker 1: and turns. Yes, all right. The traders got together in
Speaker 1: the turret and I was at this point, I was like,
Speaker 1: is she still is stuck in her cage? I guess
Speaker 1: they took her at the back of the hotel and
Speaker 1: then brought her out and then took everyone from the
Speaker 1: hotel to tie them to trees. Ye, my god, production
Speaker 1: on this so interesting, so interesting. We have no idea
Speaker 1: what was discussed, any predictions who they're going to murder.
Speaker 2: So wait, okay, so the people that are that are
Speaker 2: tied to the tree are.
Speaker 1: Lisa, who is not who is not who is a trader?
Speaker 1: So that's not gonna happen, right Eric, Ron obviously who
Speaker 1: else is left?
Speaker 3: Oh that's right, I remember, I think it's going to be.
Speaker 2: It's so tough.
Speaker 3: I think Kristen's safe. I don't think there's any reason
Speaker 3: to kill her. I think Ron now see, here's the
Speaker 3: other thing though, they could They could kill two birds
Speaker 3: with one stone here. Because Ron is on the short
Speaker 3: list for being vote, everyone wants to banish him. He's
Speaker 3: gonna there's a real good chance he's going to be banished, exactly.
Speaker 3: So kill somebody other than him and then banish him
Speaker 3: the next day and you get two people out.
Speaker 1: I have the exact same thought. Yeah, I would say
Speaker 1: it's a waste to kill Ro except the only thing
Speaker 1: well no, yeah, nose. I was going to say, if
Speaker 1: because a lot of Ron has a lot of enemies already. Yeah, no, no,
Speaker 1: they're going to vote Ron out, right, So so you
Speaker 1: throw somebody off, you throw everybody off by killing somebody
Speaker 1: of innocent and seemingly so has anybody because Eric, it's
Speaker 1: gotta be Eric, then right, it's gonna be maybe maybe
Speaker 1: it will be Kristin.
Speaker 2: Because it's such a it's just doesn't doesn't mean anything.
Speaker 1: Not really, I don't think so, right, Eric and Kristin
Speaker 1: would just be like oh.
Speaker 2: Shit, yeah, like why did they kill them?
Speaker 1: Right? But eliminates people.
Speaker 2: And then the next day you vote run out and
Speaker 2: you get two out right away.
Speaker 1: Right, Because if everyone assumes that Ron is a trader,
Speaker 1: then him surviving only further helps make him look like
Speaker 1: a trader.
Speaker 3: Right right right, Like you were in the cage by yourself,
Speaker 3: no one wanted to partner with you, and you're still here.
Speaker 2: You're a trader, dude, voting you out?
Speaker 3: And then the faithfuls are the traders, got two faithfuls out.
Speaker 2: Right back to back. Aw, that's the only movie. I agree.
Speaker 2: I agree. So poor Eric and Kristen are just going
Speaker 2: to be Eric or Kristen.
Speaker 1: And I think.
Speaker 3: I think it's going to be Oh god, then I
Speaker 3: think it's going to be Kristin.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Kristen might be going.
Speaker 3: One thing we should talk about every episode is who
Speaker 3: do you think at this point is going to win
Speaker 3: the whole thing? Like, who do you think at this
Speaker 3: point You've got all your money down on somebody who
Speaker 3: right now for you, is going to win the show?
Speaker 2: Well, if it's.
Speaker 1: A trader, only one trader makes if there's a trader
Speaker 1: left correct, right?
Speaker 3: What if there's more than one trader kit, more than
Speaker 3: one trader make it to the end? Do they split
Speaker 3: the money?
Speaker 2: Yes? So yeah, they okay, so split the money.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think Cannas is gonna get caught. I
Speaker 1: think she's still playing to her even know they've been
Speaker 1: doing well. I think I think they got really lucky
Speaker 1: with the Donna thing, and I don't think that Cannas
Speaker 1: is actually going to be able to play it. Rob
Speaker 1: is doing really well.
Speaker 2: I think so too, but I think they're going to
Speaker 2: get him to really Yeah. I don't know why.
Speaker 1: My money right now is that Rob will actually make
Speaker 1: it the longest of the traders, and I can see
Speaker 1: the really good shot at winning. But if we're talking
Speaker 1: faithful's winning, I think the faithfuls at the end could be.
Speaker 1: I'm still believing. I'm a believer in Natalie. I believe
Speaker 1: she's not going to piss people off. I think Natalie
Speaker 1: and in a weird way. Yeah, yeah, I think going
Speaker 1: to Natalie and Colton have a really good show.
Speaker 2: And Colton's playing so well. I agree.
Speaker 1: And And how how many faithfuls are at the end?
Speaker 1: You always make the last season? Okay, yeah, there's a
Speaker 1: certain point they have to cut it off and say.
Speaker 3: And then and then the way they end it is
Speaker 3: all of the people there around a bonfire have to
Speaker 3: agree to end, meaning they have to be like I
Speaker 3: think everybody here right now is a.
Speaker 1: Faith is absolutely a faithful and.
Speaker 3: I believe it enough to where I'm going all in
Speaker 3: and we're going to split the money.
Speaker 1: WUK in a weird way. If Michael Rapperport doesn't annoy
Speaker 1: the crap at every everybody because he is so committed,
Speaker 1: and if he can convince people and they can just
Speaker 1: be able to separate personality from what he's actually saying,
Speaker 1: he has a good shot because he's so like, he's
Speaker 1: so like, no, man, I'm gonna do you know, He's
Speaker 1: like so passionate that if he can convince, like the
Speaker 1: way he's got Tiffany, you know, on his side, even
Speaker 1: though she doesn't actually believe it, I feel like he
Speaker 1: might have a shot because he's so erratic that the
Speaker 1: traders might not want the traders might want to keep
Speaker 1: him around, do you know what I mean for a while,
Speaker 1: because you kill him off, you lose your voice of
Speaker 1: like attention and people. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I also think, and here's a hot take, I think
Speaker 3: there's a chance that Derinda.
Speaker 2: Makes it to the end too this year.
Speaker 3: Hm.
Speaker 2: I don't know why.
Speaker 3: I feel like some people like her and she's flying
Speaker 3: under the radar, and I feel like she's got a shot.
Speaker 1: All right, but I think we're both in agreement, Natalie
Speaker 1: and or Colton. For sure, I'm team Natalie, you got Colton? Okay,
Speaker 1: see how this plays out?
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 1: Well, that's it for this episode of Pod meets Twirled.
Speaker 1: Once again, alliances were tested, trust misplaced, and we're left
Speaker 1: with a cliffhanger. Join us next time as we continue
Speaker 1: our journey through season four of Traders, a show in which,
Speaker 1: as Shakespeare said in his Scottish play, fair is foul
Speaker 1: and
Speaker 2: Foul is fair