Speaker 1: Hey, folks, bella chow bella chow bella chow child chow.
Speaker 1: In this jam packed final vacation episode from Italy, Robot
Speaker 1: and I endure a hilarious robbery attempts. Also, I now
Speaker 1: know what it's like to date a vampire for reasons
Speaker 1: I don't understand. Robot curses like crazy in every Catholic
Speaker 1: church she enters. And do you know the difference between shorts,
Speaker 1: jean shorts, Bermuda shorts, board shorts and shorts? Why Eat,
Speaker 1: Pray Love is now my favorite book I've never read
Speaker 1: in my favorite movie I've never seen. Plus, white ladies
Speaker 1: are on the menu in Rome and I ordered one
Speaker 1: right in front of Robot last night, And folks, it
Speaker 1: finally happened. Robot, in a moment of frustration, snapped at
Speaker 1: me on this vacation. Wow, and coming back as a
Speaker 1: married couple was awfully tempting. And with all of that,
Speaker 1: welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. Robes. Let's
Speaker 1: stood out to you there.
Speaker 2: I love how you surprised me in these intros. I
Speaker 2: never quite know what you're gonna say, and I think
Speaker 2: that's by design, obviously.
Speaker 1: But that was a lot.
Speaker 2: There were a couple of disease in there.
Speaker 1: Does that was our vacation. There was a lot to happen.
Speaker 2: We took notes a lot. No, you took notes. I
Speaker 2: was impressed everything that happened. You were like, wait, I'm
Speaker 2: I'm not texting anyone, I'm just making notes for the podcast.
Speaker 2: And you did that quite often over the last few days,
Speaker 2: which was very cool. I was like, you know it
Speaker 2: because you forget moments that happened along the way, but
Speaker 2: you were documenting so that we could give a very
Speaker 2: full picture of what this vacation has been like.
Speaker 1: Again, the last couple of episodes, we've talked about what's
Speaker 1: going on back home, but you know what, for fun
Speaker 1: and shits and giggles, we're going to talk about what's
Speaker 1: been happening with us here. And so this happened to
Speaker 1: us last night. Let's since we've been here. I New
Speaker 1: York is you know, you got to keep your eye
Speaker 1: on your stuff in New York, but here it's in
Speaker 1: another level to where everyone it seems like we ran
Speaker 1: into was warning us, yes, hold on to your bag,
Speaker 1: your phone, you be aware.
Speaker 2: Everywhere we went. The only English they could speak was
Speaker 2: to say, watch out for your bag, like, be careful
Speaker 2: about your purse. They were very aware that the pickpocketers
Speaker 2: were everywhere and on the loose, and I was like, really,
Speaker 2: I've been here and I just never felt that threat.
Speaker 2: But yet last night we had this was hilarious and
Speaker 2: I didn't even know. I wouldn't even know I would
Speaker 2: have had my stuff stolen. Probably.
Speaker 1: Okay, I guess I'm the one in our relationships that's
Speaker 1: the one with the head on the swivel all the time, always,
Speaker 1: and that was the case last night. Now I'm usually
Speaker 1: looking how.
Speaker 2: But this time it worked out for pick potter.
Speaker 1: It's hard to put people in in in the context
Speaker 1: of what we were experiencing last night. We were sitting
Speaker 1: outside to have dinner in kind of an empty space,
Speaker 1: so you had a lot of options where you wanted
Speaker 1: to sit. And someone came and sat up right next
Speaker 1: to us last night, and it raised my opera.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she didn't look like the others. And then she
Speaker 2: didn't two with the others, well, the other people who
Speaker 2: would have been at the restaurant, And she didn't go
Speaker 2: through a concierge or any sort of like mad er d.
Speaker 2: She just walked like from the street. And then just
Speaker 2: sat right next to me.
Speaker 1: It didn't harm you though I didn't even know.
Speaker 2: She's situational awareness is not at the level of yours is.
Speaker 1: Would you argue that it's gone down even lower because
Speaker 1: you know mine is at a height. I am so
Speaker 1: aware of everything. You don't even look both ways before
Speaker 1: a crossing.
Speaker 2: The street when we're thank you baby, because I'm gonna
Speaker 2: just give. And this is how much I trust you.
Speaker 2: This is my trust for you. It's true if I
Speaker 2: were alone, I would have acted much differently and I
Speaker 2: would have felt much differently. But knowing that you had
Speaker 2: my back, like seriously, and I don't know that I've
Speaker 2: ever leaned into anyone the way, like just almost emotionally
Speaker 2: and situationally, I lean into you. I'm like he's got me,
Speaker 2: and it's one of the I'm bringing my feminine energy
Speaker 2: to the relationship. Say what you want to say about that.
Speaker 2: But I actually feel myself being different than I've been
Speaker 2: before because when I've been traveling as a journalist and
Speaker 2: I'm on my own, I have a female producer, which
Speaker 2: was often the case, I have been on guard. My
Speaker 2: heirs are like I am in charge. But it's funny
Speaker 2: when i'm with you, I feel myself falling into a
Speaker 2: traditional female role and I feel myself feeling safe with you,
Speaker 2: and then I like that I do like you. I
Speaker 2: hate to admit it. I'm going to be honest, but
Speaker 2: I'm going to be honest and say I like it.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, he's got me, he's watching out for us,
Speaker 2: he's looking and so I have I like. It's funny
Speaker 2: because I think with you, you are Oh my god,
Speaker 2: I think you're like the You're the first person I
Speaker 2: just I let my guard down because I know your
Speaker 2: guard is up.
Speaker 1: Your guard was so down last night. Because this one
Speaker 1: when comes and sits and it's hard to describe. I
Speaker 1: mean it's two feet from us, three feet maybe, but
Speaker 1: she's sitting right next to you.
Speaker 2: I mean our feet could have played foot.
Speaker 1: Seas yea easily. And so to your right there about
Speaker 1: foot seas. She there's a little intimate two seat table
Speaker 1: next to us. We're in a two seat table sitting outside.
Speaker 1: Everything's right, So we have our bag with or whatever
Speaker 1: we had bought.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then my jacket, your.
Speaker 1: Jacket, your per we're under the table. Actually tucked them
Speaker 1: under there for that reason. So this woman comes and
Speaker 1: she sits right. That doesn't make any sense. Why there's
Speaker 1: so many options. There's no way you would pick the
Speaker 1: table right.
Speaker 2: It's like when you're in an elevator, you're going to
Speaker 2: go to the other side of the elevator. You're not
Speaker 2: going to go stand right next to the person. So yes,
Speaker 2: she came and sat right next to us when there
Speaker 2: were a raw of other tables to sit at.
Speaker 1: So I am now I recognize it, and I'm looking
Speaker 1: at robes and I start saying, what hey, babe, I
Speaker 1: don't know how long I'm gonna let this play out,
Speaker 1: but there's almost trying to rob us.
Speaker 2: In my mind, I was like, what what woman? I
Speaker 2: don't even know what you're talking about.
Speaker 1: So the woman actually was trying to with her foot
Speaker 1: move her foot from under her table to under our
Speaker 1: table and slide robox, purse or maybe the things we
Speaker 1: just bought over to her side. So this goes on.
Speaker 1: I'm talking like at least two minutes to where I'm
Speaker 1: looked like ropes. I don't know how long I'm to
Speaker 1: let this go are our waiter comes over and he's
Speaker 1: taking an order, and she's waiting for us to be
Speaker 1: distracted and the whole time, like you go ahead and
Speaker 1: order that.
Speaker 2: You said you order that, and you kept your eyes
Speaker 2: straight on the slode, and it was amazing.
Speaker 1: I wasn't staring at her, but it was just I
Speaker 1: knew what she was doing. It was kind of hilarious.
Speaker 2: You actually wish that you had let it longer. I
Speaker 2: want to see where she was going to take this.
Speaker 1: Yes, but so eventually I don't know what her English,
Speaker 1: how much she understood, but we were being very plain
Speaker 1: and simple.
Speaker 2: You were having to overtly explain to me what was
Speaker 2: going on, and I was like, oh, that woman like
Speaker 2: right there behind me, so I think she heard, and
Speaker 2: she knew enough English to know that she was outed.
Speaker 1: But she got up and started banging, like she's.
Speaker 2: Pissed that we now know she was trying to steal
Speaker 2: our stuff. So she gets up, You're right. She banged
Speaker 2: at least two tables and then banged a like a
Speaker 2: barricade that was there as she was leaving, like like,
Speaker 2: f y'all, you didn't let me steal your shit. It
Speaker 2: was really funny. It was dramatic.
Speaker 1: So that was last night, and we were actually going
Speaker 1: back to that place tonight because this is so good.
Speaker 2: The food was best food ever, actually going.
Speaker 1: That we've been there all these this time. The best
Speaker 1: place we found was just last night and we're going
Speaker 1: back there.
Speaker 2: It's a two minute walk this evening.
Speaker 1: But I said, I now know what it's like to
Speaker 1: date a vampire. Now there's history on every single block,
Speaker 1: like there's a Starbucks on every single block in New York.
Speaker 1: It's incredible. I don't care what you It doesn't matter
Speaker 1: if you where you're from, what your religion is, if
Speaker 1: you are religious, what race. The history here is just
Speaker 1: incredible on every single block. And a part of that
Speaker 1: beauty is Basilica's as you like to say. But the churches,
Speaker 1: but the churches here are unbelievable, But every single one, Robot,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying you're not a I would never characterize
Speaker 1: you as a potty mouth ever. I'd never say she
Speaker 1: curses like a sailor ever. But I have been shocked
Speaker 1: at every time we have walked into a church in Rome.
Speaker 2: Do I drop the F bomb?
Speaker 1: You have cursed more than I have ever heard you.
Speaker 2: Because that's so sad and amazing. It's embarrassing because I'm
Speaker 2: so blown away, and maybe that's my go to to
Speaker 2: describe something that I don't have words for.
Speaker 1: Okay, I wrote, and I told you and taking notes. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: I'm not dogging you for this. I'm not knocking you.
Speaker 1: But you walked into I think we went into one
Speaker 1: church today. I can't remember twenty one. I think we
Speaker 1: only went into one today. But you walked in and
Speaker 1: this was the exact quote.
Speaker 2: Doesn't even know what this is.
Speaker 1: First we step into the church. Now these are the
Speaker 1: first words out of her mouth. Holy, this is beautiful.
Speaker 1: Now that's a compliment, it is, but it's so I
Speaker 1: actually cannot remember you being profane on this trip at all.
Speaker 1: And except for the parts we the first moment we
Speaker 1: step into a church, you say, holy fucking ship. Oh my,
Speaker 1: it's something. So here's the deal. Like we know all
Speaker 1: of the like obviously St. Peter's Basilica, you know the
Speaker 1: big tourist attractions. I would argue when you go to Rome,
Speaker 1: every corner, every street there is a basilica. There is
Speaker 1: this unbelievable, gorgeous church dedicated to Christ and God, all
Speaker 1: inspiring every single one, and.
Speaker 2: You like there's not even a tourist in there. You're like,
Speaker 2: you have the church to yourself and you're like, this
Speaker 2: isn't even on the map on the trip Advisor like
Speaker 2: places to visit. I just stumbled into this basilica and
Speaker 2: it is church I've ever seen.
Speaker 1: I have never in my life paid for a tour
Speaker 1: of something that was better than walking freely into a
Speaker 1: church here in Rome is at It's incredible.
Speaker 2: It's architecturally, it's remarkable, and I actually felt spiritually moved.
Speaker 2: Look I I have I have said I was raised Catholic.
Speaker 2: I am no longer practicing, practicing Catholic, but my grandparents
Speaker 2: all were very devout Catholic, Like my grandmother was the
Speaker 2: last one to actually decide to become a Catholic, but
Speaker 2: the rest of them were born that way. And I
Speaker 2: felt compelled in this church we were in today, this basilica.
Speaker 2: I just they have candles. Everyone whose Catholic knows you
Speaker 2: put a little offering into like a little coin into
Speaker 2: an area, and then you light a candle for someone
Speaker 2: who's passed on. And so I lit candles for each
Speaker 2: of my grandparents, and you know, whatever you believe, I
Speaker 2: just felt emotional in the moment. It felt like a
Speaker 2: beautiful place to do it. It was a really cool
Speaker 2: moment for me, and it was a special day for
Speaker 2: me today and it was awesome to be I lit
Speaker 2: for candles for all of my grandparents and it was
Speaker 2: I'm like, that was like one of my favorite parts
Speaker 2: of this entire trip.
Speaker 1: Today was a completely unplanned and special day. And that
Speaker 1: we ended up in the ghetto and a lot of people,
Speaker 1: when you say Rome, if you've been around, been here.
Speaker 1: We ended up in the ghetto, and they continue to
Speaker 1: refer to as that. But the Jewish ghetto and the
Speaker 1: history there of where this no neighborhood and the Jewish
Speaker 1: community was essentially enclosed. This is where you have to
Speaker 1: be and have to stay and to see some of
Speaker 1: the I don't know what would you describe it as.
Speaker 1: There's some there's a proud herriage and history there now
Speaker 1: in a community there. Yeah that we got to hang
Speaker 1: out there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they called the Jewish Quarter officially now, but I
Speaker 2: think most people reckon, Like you can even look it
Speaker 2: up on your Google maps or whatever, like there's even
Speaker 2: restaurants that regard the Jewish Ghetto. They called it that.
Speaker 1: So there's whatever ghetto.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes it is not a Jewish ghetto, Jewish Jewish quarter,
Speaker 2: but It's one of those parts of Rome that not
Speaker 2: everyone knows about, but it is so special and it
Speaker 2: is so cool, and we had an incredible time there
Speaker 2: with the food, the culture. There is a colisseum like
Speaker 2: theater that was commissioned by Caesar something Tiatro, and it.
Speaker 1: Was one of the coolest things I've seen, Like.
Speaker 2: The colisseum, but it's not and there are apartments above it.
Speaker 2: People live above this amazing structure. Yeah, you said that
Speaker 2: that was better for you than the coliseum.
Speaker 1: Actually that was a qu to think that something was
Speaker 1: built two thousand years ago and one day, one a
Speaker 1: d someone is residing in it. Yes, that's just incredible.
Speaker 2: It's remarkable.
Speaker 1: So that's that's what this city is. There's history on
Speaker 1: every single block.
Speaker 2: You turn a corner and you are inspired by Actually,
Speaker 2: I've said even like if there was no cameras or
Speaker 2: whatever modern thing might be there, a scooter or something.
Speaker 2: If you remove that, this could be any point in time.
Speaker 2: It could be before Christ, it could be just and
Speaker 2: it could be biblical times. And you're here right now
Speaker 2: and you're experiencing it and seeing the incredible art and
Speaker 2: architecture that was left behind. It really, especially as an American.
Speaker 2: I feel like, you know, we're so young and so new.
Speaker 2: But to see what people are still using and enjoying
Speaker 2: two thousand years later from people who were smart enough
Speaker 2: and figured out how to create these incredible structures without
Speaker 2: modern technology or machinery, it's amazing.
Speaker 1: And again we you know, I want to go into
Speaker 1: Trinity Church in downtown in our neighborhood again, because every
Speaker 1: single church here is older than that one. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: oldest church in Manhattan is brand new compared to everything
Speaker 1: we have.
Speaker 2: Seen here, like significantly brand new.
Speaker 1: It is remarkable. Oh, it's so cool. So no matter what,
Speaker 1: and we you and I talked about this and the
Speaker 1: type of vacations you like were signing like I don't
Speaker 1: like planning trips and museum trips and then doing touristy
Speaker 1: quote unquote thing.
Speaker 2: And we went to Florence and you didn't want to
Speaker 2: see David.
Speaker 1: I mean, what do you want to do?
Speaker 2: I mean, that's fine, but that's just who you mean.
Speaker 2: It's cool. I get it, you got a lot of
Speaker 2: cool leather.
Speaker 1: But you said I had to stand in line to
Speaker 1: go see a famous penis correct.
Speaker 2: I mean it's a statue, it's a sculpture by Michelangelo.
Speaker 1: But yes, I guess that is a really rudimentary way
Speaker 1: to describe it.
Speaker 2: But that is essentially is probably the most famous part
Speaker 2: because it's on Aprons.
Speaker 1: And TJ standing line around our hour and a half.
Speaker 1: So you can go see a famous penis.
Speaker 2: Okay, I hadn't thought about it like that, but now
Speaker 2: that you do, I mean I hear it as I
Speaker 2: had already seen it. I was fine. I was like, okay,
Speaker 2: but I'm telling you because.
Speaker 1: You you to the world to see famous penises.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so.
Speaker 1: Wowsating. I actually have more questions. No, there's no truth, okay,
Speaker 1: but no, I'm night. Florence was actually fun. Florence Naples, Rome.
Speaker 1: We have we a big part of our vacation, you
Speaker 1: know what I say. It's a big part of our vacation.
Speaker 1: It's a big part of our lives to just sit
Speaker 1: outside outdoor dining and people watch.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's my our favorite thing to do.
Speaker 1: Okay, A big part of our people watching on vacation
Speaker 1: has to do it. And y'all got to help me.
Speaker 1: You know, guys who are listening, women who are listening,
Speaker 1: please help me. Here shorts shorts Okay, So robes give
Speaker 1: me a hard time. So there's okay, I just see
Speaker 1: everybody and say, okay, they were in shorts. But there's shorts,
Speaker 1: and then there's something called gene shorts. Was I thought
Speaker 1: were just shorts that were made of denim, but she's
Speaker 1: telling me that's not the case.
Speaker 2: Shorts.
Speaker 1: Then there's something else that she calls Bermuda shorts, which
Speaker 1: we will get into. But then there's something else called
Speaker 1: board shorts. Yeah, they're different from the Bermuda shorts. And
Speaker 1: then there's something that we call jorts, jorts, which I'm
Speaker 1: told are actually different from gene shorts and different from
Speaker 1: regular shorts. I am lost cargo shorts. Well, I get cars.
Speaker 1: I know what cargo pants are.
Speaker 2: So it is with the extra pocket. I'm saying, don't
Speaker 2: number of ways you can describe different kinds of shorts.
Speaker 1: But the thing I'm running into is shorts, jeane shorts
Speaker 1: and shorts. Why are not all shorts that are made
Speaker 1: of denim called jorts?
Speaker 2: I know, I don't know.
Speaker 1: For actually a couple of years, We've had.
Speaker 2: This conversation actually far too often on this trip. But
Speaker 2: my personal opinion, and anyone can argue with me, is
Speaker 2: that georts are shorts that are jeans denim that are fine, fine, fine, fine,
Speaker 2: they're almost to the knee. You can roll them up.
Speaker 2: They could be cut off, but they're essentially around the
Speaker 2: knee area.
Speaker 1: Okay, wait, whoa, So you're telling me Georges has nothing
Speaker 1: to do with whether it's a gene.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a gene. What you're saying it has to be
Speaker 2: a link. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So if I'm wearing a denim short that is at
Speaker 1: my thigh, what is that called jean shorts?
Speaker 2: Yeah? And then if they're really really like near your butt,
Speaker 2: they're either daisy dukes or they're cut off shorts.
Speaker 1: But if a man wears a short that is a
Speaker 1: denim short above the thigh, what do you call that
Speaker 1: jean shorts? Okay, y'all see what I'm dealing with, and we.
Speaker 2: Do is con And then so every person that walks
Speaker 2: by TJ's like, what do you call those shorts? What
Speaker 2: do you call those shorts? This has been a big
Speaker 2: part of our vacation, you know what vacation me saying
Speaker 2: what length or what the name is of the shorts
Speaker 2: that people are wearing. But I will say it's been
Speaker 2: my experience that in Europe. Whatever's happening here trend wise
Speaker 2: is in America the next year. So I've already started
Speaker 2: to see it, see it, But I know that's great.
Speaker 2: I've already started to see it.
Speaker 1: Would you like me to refer all nice refill that
Speaker 1: not pearl spreads.
Speaker 2: I feel like this is a that's a fair turnaround
Speaker 2: perfect Yep, that was fair. But I feel like whatever
Speaker 2: we see in Europe a year later becomes fashion.
Speaker 1: In We were here last summer and the George thing
Speaker 1: you told me make it to the US.
Speaker 2: Seen it, I've seen it. I feel like you're going
Speaker 2: to see more of it, and the next year it's
Speaker 2: going to be everywhere. It takes like a year or
Speaker 2: two for whatever is happening in Europe to make its
Speaker 2: way to the United States.
Speaker 1: And we're recording this now on the last night that
Speaker 1: we're going to be in Europe, and we are probably
Speaker 1: going to go have dinner to night at a restaurant
Speaker 1: we just discovered on our next to last night here,
Speaker 1: and we discovered it and we have been drinking. What
Speaker 1: would you argue April spreads April spreads Moretti Parretti, Parretti, Parni.
Speaker 1: I never there's prosecco. You've been going after a little bit.
Speaker 1: But last night there was a drink on the menu
Speaker 1: at this place we went to and it was one
Speaker 1: of my favorite moments actually here in Italy. And the
Speaker 1: water he was my favorite, actually person we have that with.
Speaker 1: He's my favorite water we had since we've been here.
Speaker 1: And there was a drink on the menu that had
Speaker 1: it was gin. It was lemon and quantro I think,
Speaker 1: and it came into martini glass, that's what it was.
Speaker 2: But it was called what the White Lady.
Speaker 1: It was called the White Lady, so it actually sounded
Speaker 1: good in the ingredients. But I was very excited about
Speaker 1: ordering this from this guy.
Speaker 2: You were so good at it too, Because I think
Speaker 2: we've mentioned this in a previous podcast. TJ never tells
Speaker 2: me what he's going to order, but I will say, oh,
Speaker 2: this was actually a fun development in this trip. I
Speaker 2: feel like TJ, you have been more than I've ever
Speaker 2: seen before willing to collaborate on an appetizer.
Speaker 1: Salads only, but baby please or salads.
Speaker 2: So exciting, Okay, it's been so exciting.
Speaker 1: Look excited.
Speaker 2: Because you were like I'll eat that with you. I
Speaker 2: was like, you will, So we have actually ordered appetizers together.
Speaker 2: This is a huge development in our relationship. Huge development.
Speaker 1: It's not gonna it's not going to translate across the
Speaker 1: poast because.
Speaker 2: I've just felt like I felt like I was a
Speaker 2: part of it, like we could share something. It was
Speaker 2: really cool. So we've had like shared savice, shared salads,
Speaker 2: you've shared, You've shared like a pre say with me,
Speaker 2: you actually collaborated on an appetizer with me, I'm telling you,
Speaker 2: in two years, this is the biggest development of our relationship.
Speaker 1: Of our dining out relationship.
Speaker 2: Felt huge to me. I'm acknowledging it now. We even
Speaker 2: talked about this, I'm telling you now. I was like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, I think he's in this, Like I
Speaker 2: think I think he really wants this to.
Speaker 1: Work because I'm now coordinating.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it felt it did feel like that. It felt
Speaker 2: collaborative in a way that it happened before.
Speaker 1: Anyway, I didn't expect it to be that fun.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I'm sorry. So the drinks, we don't usually
Speaker 2: collaborate because it doesn't matter, you can, yeah whatever. I
Speaker 2: ordered a prosecco and he goes, I'll have the White Lady.
Speaker 2: It was amazing. It was so perfect. I had no idea.
Speaker 2: You've never ordered a drink. You usually ordered beer or
Speaker 2: an april sprits or a market specific There's things that I.
Speaker 1: Know not order off of a restaurant drink. I have
Speaker 1: never heard.
Speaker 2: You order a not only a drink, a specific drink
Speaker 2: to a restaurant, but like one that's named seeing like.
Speaker 1: I've never heard you do that, he said, And his
Speaker 1: response was amazing. He just he got it. It took
Speaker 1: him a second, but he loved it.
Speaker 2: He laughed, and that I belly laughed. I was that
Speaker 2: was That was my favorite part of yesterday.
Speaker 1: I ended up ordering a second one and maybe they
Speaker 1: were good.
Speaker 2: They were good.
Speaker 1: They were good. It was it was gin. It was
Speaker 1: quantroe and lemon juice that happened together. It's called a
Speaker 1: white Lady here in Italy, so if you come.
Speaker 2: Here, consider it. It's better than an aperol spreads.
Speaker 1: Apparently, let's not come up with the name of the
Speaker 1: movie we were just watching on Netflix because we were
Speaker 1: laughing so hilariously. No, no, no, let's not do that. But
Speaker 1: there's so many movies about that are romanticized Rome Italy
Speaker 1: and what is you come here?
Speaker 2: Is it?
Speaker 1: Women? Right? You come here and you're finding yourself. You
Speaker 1: own an adventure. Yes, n I did not know Eat
Speaker 1: Pray Love. You've been talking to me about a lot
Speaker 1: about it. I've never seen that the book. I've never
Speaker 1: read the book.
Speaker 2: But Elizabeth Gilbert, she's amazing.
Speaker 1: Okay, So here's the thing. I know how much that
Speaker 1: movie means to culturally, how much it has meant, and
Speaker 1: a part of it is about women finding themselves or
Speaker 1: or or you know, No, let me let you do that.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I was about to say the wrong thing.
Speaker 2: Oh no, I wasn't saying you were saying the wrong thing.
Speaker 1: No, I know you weren't. But I'm saying what that
Speaker 1: movie represents and that story represents.
Speaker 2: For I can only I can only speak for myself
Speaker 2: with Eat Pray Love and Elizabeth Gilbert. Like for me,
Speaker 2: I just picked the book up in a airport and
Speaker 2: I started reading it, and I felt immediately connected to it,
Speaker 2: as I think so many women did.
Speaker 1: Why why why? Why why?
Speaker 2: Because she was admitting things that people don't admit, Like
Speaker 2: we've talked about this about like Instagram perfection and my
Speaker 2: life is great and oh you see me with my
Speaker 2: husband and my beautiful child and my beautiful home and
Speaker 2: everything's great, and oh you don't have that. That must
Speaker 2: be hard for you. But when you hear from somebody
Speaker 2: who seemingly has this beautiful life and is admitting that
Speaker 2: it's not and it's not what she wants and it's
Speaker 2: not what she and she's still searching, you feel like, okay,
Speaker 2: you too, It's not just me. And so anyway, she
Speaker 2: had that ability to connect with women.
Speaker 1: Hey, that story. It brought her around the world, in
Speaker 1: part here to Italy as well. Yes, but she found
Speaker 1: love right at the end of that story.
Speaker 2: At the end of that she did.
Speaker 1: She found love. What a wonderful, freaking story. But that's
Speaker 1: not why I love the story, because the story did
Speaker 1: not end there now, and I had no idea until
Speaker 1: we got here. And now, whoever this woman is, I
Speaker 1: love her. I want to talk to her. I want
Speaker 1: to be her friend, because it's life, it's reality, it's
Speaker 1: what's happened. Please tell me. And there might be some
Speaker 1: people who are listening right now who have no idea
Speaker 1: how this story ended.
Speaker 2: So Ibra love Elizabeth Gilbert, who is an amazing author
Speaker 2: and a just a remarkable woman. She went on this
Speaker 2: journey after she realized she was in a marriage she
Speaker 2: didn't want to be in, and that was my impetus
Speaker 2: for me to feel comfortable in saying I didn't want
Speaker 2: to be in my marriage. So Elizabeth Gilbert was a
Speaker 2: huge part of my life and reading that book changed
Speaker 2: my life. And then reading about how she went to Italy,
Speaker 2: she went to India, and then I believe she ended
Speaker 2: up in Bali, and that is in the end of
Speaker 2: the book. For any of you guys who have read this,
Speaker 2: in any women, I know so many of you have
Speaker 2: read this book. She finds what she thinks is the
Speaker 2: love of her life and this Brazilian man they get
Speaker 2: married at the end of the book, and it's beautiful
Speaker 2: and it's amazing, and that's a great, beautiful love story.
Speaker 1: But that is where story is supposed to end. We're
Speaker 1: done to.
Speaker 3: Your point, right, Yeah, that is the problem is too
Speaker 3: often in TV, in books, in movies, the ends there.
Speaker 2: You asked me today, you were like, what story what
Speaker 2: movie do you all? As in Women Read or Love
Speaker 2: or a doore that actually focuses on what happens after
Speaker 2: you meet the supposed love of your life, what happens
Speaker 2: after you meet your soulmate? There aren't that many rom
Speaker 2: coms that do that, but I actually to Elizabeth Gilbert's story.
Speaker 2: I just want to point out, because I've actually talked
Speaker 2: about this a lot with you. She was in this
Speaker 2: marriage with the Brazilian man she married, and long story short,
Speaker 2: she realized once her best friend who she had been
Speaker 2: best friends with for years and years and years.
Speaker 1: It's so sorry to stop you there what but let's
Speaker 1: be clear to everybody. They eat pray love story, you know,
Speaker 1: and the guy she married, and everything worked out wonderfully
Speaker 1: with at the end of that buttoned up story, what happened.
Speaker 2: They got divorced. She ends up marrying her best friend,
Speaker 2: who is a female, and she made that decision once
Speaker 2: she realized her best friend was dying. And it's you know,
Speaker 2: I encourage everyone to, Oh my god, Oprah's super soul
Speaker 2: conversations with Elizabeth Gilbert talking about that relationship and talking
Speaker 2: about the little bit of time she had left with her.
Speaker 2: It was a beautiful, beautiful love story, but just there
Speaker 2: were so many less and all of it. And I'm
Speaker 2: just amazed by people's willingness, and I'm inspired by people's
Speaker 2: willingness to be vulnerable, to expose Hey, here's what I
Speaker 2: thought was right, Here's what I thought was my happy ending,
Speaker 2: and actually here's what it ended up being.
Speaker 1: Okay that I have not that rich Eat Pray Love.
Speaker 1: I have not seen Eat Pray Love the movie, but
Speaker 1: it is my favorite book and my favorite movie right now.
Speaker 1: And I say that because Sweeart, you know, our journeys
Speaker 1: are lives. To think of a story that now so
Speaker 1: many people find to be like the ultimate redemption story.
Speaker 1: Love story didn't end the way you saw it end
Speaker 1: because life just doesn't come in that kind of a package.
Speaker 1: And I just I applaud. I have no idea, and
Speaker 1: I asked you earlier about the author's name. Even I
Speaker 1: love this woman and I love this story. I have
Speaker 1: not I love it because it it's authentic and it's
Speaker 1: how life goes something and.
Speaker 2: It's where she was at that time, and she shared
Speaker 2: it as it was happening, and it didn't end the
Speaker 2: way she wanted it to end. It didn't end the
Speaker 2: way people hoped it would end. And I think that's
Speaker 2: kind of where the beauty lies. But it still can
Speaker 2: be beautiful even though it wasn't what we all, including
Speaker 2: Elizabeth Gilbert, wanted it to be, and yet it still
Speaker 2: ended the way it did, and there were beautiful moments
Speaker 2: that happened, and there were so many lessons that were
Speaker 2: learned along the way, and I think that is why
Speaker 2: we're here. I've just always believed this through and I've
Speaker 2: been forced to really re examine it through all of
Speaker 2: this thing we called life. We have to learn how
Speaker 2: to appreciate, and we have to learn when it's important
Speaker 2: to learn, and we have to suspend expectations. And that's
Speaker 2: so easy to say and so hard to do. And
Speaker 2: we all expect things to be a certain way, but
Speaker 2: when they don't go that way, that's how we learn
Speaker 2: and grow.
Speaker 1: Obviously, that's where I'm we're wed. You and I are
Speaker 1: coming from that from our experience. But it's just it's
Speaker 1: fascinating that a story that so many people find to
Speaker 1: be this wonderful story with a beautiful button at the end,
Speaker 1: actually took a twist. It's just how life is, and
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. I love, love love. I had no
Speaker 1: idea until this trip that that's how the story ended. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it may not be over necessarily. I don't know
Speaker 1: where she is in her life and what's going on.
Speaker 1: It just I I love that story now. I absolutely
Speaker 1: love it.
Speaker 2: I can't wait to watch the movie with you. Love boy,
Speaker 2: you know you love rom coms.
Speaker 1: Okay, never mind one. You and I have talked about
Speaker 1: what we have seen on this trip oftentimes is certainly
Speaker 1: with the heat here. There's just a lot of frustration
Speaker 1: that comes with a lot of it. We've seen families.
Speaker 1: I talked about it today, they walking, they're walking in
Speaker 1: single file.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I was like, I don't want you near me,
Speaker 2: so we'll just be single file.
Speaker 1: We have literally seen families of five with the mom
Speaker 1: in the front, the dadds.
Speaker 2: Or in the back. A lot of times too.
Speaker 1: You know you're right, has been the back. It's been
Speaker 1: funny to watch. But Robot and I finally had our
Speaker 1: moment of frustration, a moment of a heated moment. And
Speaker 1: when I say heated, it was heated on her end.
Speaker 1: I wasn't even hot. But she snapped at me on
Speaker 1: this vacation and it was we were just a couple
Speaker 1: of days. We did pretty good.
Speaker 2: I think we got nine days in.
Speaker 1: It wasn't that hard of a snapping at me, even
Speaker 1: thank you. It wasn't no, no, no, And then snapped is
Speaker 1: a that's a tough way to say it, but you did.
Speaker 1: I was not that offended. I say that offended. Do
Speaker 1: you see I was measured there. I wasn't that offended
Speaker 1: by it. But it has been every single day we've
Speaker 1: woken up here on our phone it says severe weather
Speaker 1: alert because it's been that hot.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean it's like like it's been excruciating. I
Speaker 2: think would be a good way to put it.
Speaker 1: And I went out today in a double breasded jacket.
Speaker 2: I was amazed. But you did have sweat dripping down
Speaker 2: your face in certain moments, and I was applauding. I
Speaker 2: was like, damn, he still has that jacket on and
Speaker 2: there is sweat dripping down his face. Committed to that
Speaker 2: amazing committee. It was a good rose linen jagged. You
Speaker 2: looked amazing. I was impressed. I could never have lost.
Speaker 1: All the Italian men will walk around in full suits.
Speaker 2: They were, why am I.
Speaker 1: But it's today we were out or I'm not. It
Speaker 1: wasn't yesterday, the day before.
Speaker 2: It was a couple of days here, Lawrence, it was Laurence,
Speaker 2: was Florence.
Speaker 1: It was Florence, Okay, Florence. As trains trans translation trying
Speaker 1: to get a car right. Yes, okay, so you it's
Speaker 1: everybody struggling with an ober or whatever, but here it's
Speaker 1: oftentimes you see couples together and there's one person staring
Speaker 1: down at the phone trying to get directions, any other
Speaker 1: person staring standing next to them, just looking around aimlessly
Speaker 1: and wandering around.
Speaker 2: My partner has it.
Speaker 1: Yes, So we get out and Robes is trying to
Speaker 1: find the and she starts walking us the wrong direction, shocking,
Speaker 1: complete opposite direction of where we should be. And we
Speaker 1: get outside and again it's hundred degrees here. She's where
Speaker 1: gets frustrated and I say, baby, let's make lemonade. Let's
Speaker 1: figure this out. What do you need? And me offering
Speaker 1: that suggestion was met with I will let you describe it.
Speaker 2: I don't wait, I don't know what to say.
Speaker 1: Remember this?
Speaker 2: No, what did I say?
Speaker 1: Oh my god? You don't remember snapping?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: Oh, never mind, let's skip this section of the podcast.
Speaker 2: You remember, I don't remember.
Speaker 1: This was the you don't remember.
Speaker 2: This might be selective memory.
Speaker 1: Man, Lets go. You finally snapped said I'm trying to
Speaker 1: I got it, and you wouldn't let.
Speaker 2: Me help you like me? That's sounds like me.
Speaker 1: But you wouldn't let me help you. And at that
Speaker 1: point I just stepped away. I didn't say after you
Speaker 1: said that, I didn't say another word. That's probably you
Speaker 1: don't remember.
Speaker 2: This because that's selective memory, and because maybe you didn't react. No,
Speaker 2: I don't remember.
Speaker 1: But in all of the time we've been here, and
Speaker 1: we have seen a lot of fights, We've seen a
Speaker 1: lot of barking and people and doing things. You and
Speaker 1: I have not had a single issue except that moment.
Speaker 2: It's so funny that I don't remember. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: Do you see what I'm dealing with, folks?
Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: She doesn't even remember the time she heard I honestly
Speaker 1: don't remember it. But she offends, the time that she hurts,
Speaker 1: the time that she just crushes my soul. Wait, we.
Speaker 2: Wh wow are.
Speaker 1: You and this was not I can't blame this on alcohol.
Speaker 1: You were not six at the time.
Speaker 2: You were You didn't tell me you were gonna I
Speaker 2: have no memory of that. I apologize.
Speaker 1: I don't apologize or something. You don't even remember doing
Speaker 1: one spot we went to, and I guess a lot
Speaker 1: of people will understand that Napoli Naples is a is
Speaker 1: absolutely a wedding destination, and there's something about it. When
Speaker 1: we got there, I got wrapped up. I got caught
Speaker 1: up in Naples, and they were everywhere you look that
Speaker 1: was get married here, or there was a shop that
Speaker 1: you could buy a dress or tucks or it was.
Speaker 1: It was a very very very very very low key Vegas.
Speaker 2: It's a place where people fly into to go to
Speaker 2: the Amalfi Coast, so positano a mally reveloo. There's a big, big, big,
Speaker 2: big wedding destinations. So that makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 2: Like you fly into Naples, you get all the wedding
Speaker 2: stuff and then you either get married there and then
Speaker 2: go on honeymoon on the Malfi coast. But it totally
Speaker 2: makes sense that they've got a wedding destination situation.
Speaker 1: Is that where you want to get married? Is that
Speaker 1: where you've always wanted to get married? No, No, where
Speaker 1: you want to get married.
Speaker 2: I don't care where we get married. I actually don't.
Speaker 2: I would the honeymoon. I will have a say in,
Speaker 2: but I don't care where we get married.
Speaker 1: Then where's the honeymoon?
Speaker 2: Need to be somewhere over water. I want one of
Speaker 2: those huts over there.
Speaker 1: Over water.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to be in one of those huts.
Speaker 2: I've never done, like that hut over water thing.
Speaker 1: You don't care where we get married, but you care
Speaker 1: where honeymoon. Yeah, okay, but there was about thirty seconds ago.
Speaker 1: Anybody listening will go, wow, this sounds like a foregone
Speaker 1: conclusion that they're getting married.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's crazy not to think about the future
Speaker 2: when you're with somebody who you love, like, of course
Speaker 2: you want to. That's like a human experience to imagine
Speaker 2: how you're going to spend the rest of your life. So, yes,
Speaker 2: I think about it.
Speaker 1: We are. It's it has been interesting, it has been fascinating,
Speaker 1: and it's been a little difficult, to be honest with you.
Speaker 1: I'm not used to not talking to Sabine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and.
Speaker 1: Our kids in New York are have been traveling the
Speaker 1: whole time. We've been traveling to where you and I especially,
Speaker 1: only playing trips around when the kids are going to.
Speaker 2: Be otherwise occupied.
Speaker 1: Right, So your girls have been traveling around Europe the
Speaker 1: whole time we have been here in Italy, and then
Speaker 1: Sabine has been in uh A camp summer camp at
Speaker 1: summer camp. So that has been actually, you know, that
Speaker 1: more than anybody else. You know, you know, my relationship
Speaker 1: is being better than anybody. So it's been really I
Speaker 1: have not been able to speak to.
Speaker 2: My child, but you've been sending her Amazon care packages
Speaker 2: to day. I'm like, she's got to be either the
Speaker 2: most beloved kidding camp because she's like the cool girl
Speaker 2: who gets the package every day, or everyone's gonna hate
Speaker 2: her for it because you're giving her care package every day.
Speaker 2: It's a lot, might be a little bit too. Tell
Speaker 2: me that baby.
Speaker 1: How many wait?
Speaker 2: How many have you sent her? A lot?
Speaker 1: It's been a little bit like, maybe, why don't you
Speaker 1: tell me it.
Speaker 2: Was a lot too? At the most? What have you said?
Speaker 1: But it's a three week camp?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I know that my girls run a three
Speaker 2: week camp. I sent them like a care package a week,
Speaker 2: so two they each.
Speaker 1: Got a week. Oh yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: And most people might just get one a camp.
Speaker 1: She's getting three or four a week right now. Oh
Speaker 1: that's bad. Okay.
Speaker 2: The problem is you're also setting a precedent for what years?
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, my child, come on, okay, rolles you again.
Speaker 1: You know better than anybody what my whole day from
Speaker 1: the time I wake up and I go to bed
Speaker 1: at night is.
Speaker 2: Around subie, It's true.
Speaker 1: What is she doing by seven thirty? Right? Where is
Speaker 1: she going to walking to.
Speaker 4: School to sabine or like, honestly, it's good, it's good,
Speaker 4: it's you know what it is. This is exercise for preparents,
Speaker 4: for kids to prepare for the ultimate separation.
Speaker 2: And I know that sounds like a Debbie Downer moment,
Speaker 2: but I say this as a woman who is about
Speaker 2: to be a complete empty nester. So summer camp, if
Speaker 2: you are so privileged to be able to afford it,
Speaker 2: which is an amazing thing, is a I feel like
Speaker 2: that helped me in a way prepare for my kids
Speaker 2: to leave me. It's like you have to you have
Speaker 2: to recognize that they are like your whole goal is
Speaker 2: to make them amazing independent versions of yourself like they are.
Speaker 2: So this is that's why they have strict rules of camp.
Speaker 2: No phones, no text messaging. You have to be removed.
Speaker 2: Your kid has to know and start to get used
Speaker 2: to moments of life without you.
Speaker 1: And that's but I imagine a moment in life where
Speaker 1: you're not speaking to your child a week, two weeks,
Speaker 1: and again, I just it's new, it's not again. So
Speaker 1: being is a different monster with me. It's not a
Speaker 1: we are constantly engaged day in day out, you know
Speaker 1: that idea?
Speaker 2: Anybody, Oh my god, Yes.
Speaker 1: If I don't hear back from spe in fifteen minutes,
Speaker 1: like oh my god, what's happening?
Speaker 2: So is this this is a big This is a deal,
Speaker 2: And I get that, and that is a that is
Speaker 2: a big It's a struggle. Oh god, I know. I
Speaker 2: am a few years ahead of you and I am
Speaker 2: struggling with that in a different way. And I get it.
Speaker 2: It's like a gradual, eventual thing that us as parents
Speaker 2: all have to acknowledge. And I do think this is
Speaker 2: something that I will bring back to my parents that
Speaker 2: I love. They loved my brother and me, and they
Speaker 2: talked about this with us in our podcast. But this
Speaker 2: is another reason why investing in the person in the
Speaker 2: relationship you're with you baby is so important. Husband's wives,
Speaker 2: boyfriend's girlfriends. Your kids are so important and the number
Speaker 2: one most important thing in your life. But they are
Speaker 2: with you for about twenty years and that's awesome, and yes,
Speaker 2: of course they're with you later in life. But like,
Speaker 2: if you don't invest in the people who are there
Speaker 2: with you, you know, investing in them. You just have
Speaker 2: to balance that. Like I think people forget about how
Speaker 2: important it is. Like I'm I'm with you now for
Speaker 2: the next well as many years as I'm allowed.
Speaker 5: But that's like I don't want to be there is
Speaker 5: the headline, Go ahead, you want to write the headline. No,
Speaker 5: but I just like every now together until.
Speaker 2: As many years as I'm allowed as I'm allowed. Nice
Speaker 2: for whatever reason it is, but I just think like
Speaker 2: it's a it's a cool thing too to have these moments.
Speaker 2: So I appreciate this vacation with you baby. We are
Speaker 2: devoted to our daughters, obviously, but it's important to remember
Speaker 2: each other.
Speaker 1: Why not. That's more. I didn't think anything more profound
Speaker 1: could be said.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, thank you for that acknowledgment and support. And
Speaker 2: I just I feel heard and seen. Thank you.
Speaker 1: Oh look at my baby.
Speaker 2: She's she looks like she's having a blast. We get pictures, Yes,
Speaker 2: we're getting picture up there. We literally as we're recording this,
Speaker 2: a update.
Speaker 1: From Sabine's camp with an updated picture of her, and
Speaker 1: put a smile on my face.
Speaker 2: She looks happy.
Speaker 1: She looks very very happy. So folks, we will see
Speaker 1: you back in the states. We will be on the
Speaker 1: ground in time to hear Trump speak.
Speaker 2: Oh, we can't wait. We'll have a podcast us probably
Speaker 2: acknowledging all of that.
Speaker 1: All right, all right, appreciate you.
Speaker 2: Know.
Speaker 1: You can always find us on our official show page
Speaker 1: on Instagram at Amy and t J podcast Chow