1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,800 Speaker 1: Hi, guys, Nancy Grace here, our friends and partners at 2 00:00:02,840 --> 00:00:06,480 Speaker 1: Fox Nation have an exclusive new movie out right now, 3 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 1: Murder for Sale. In this new original movie, real estate 4 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:15,000 Speaker 1: agent Violet Becker is devastated when her best friend and 5 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 1: fellow real estate agent dies at an open house. Violet 6 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:23,160 Speaker 1: is suspicious about the circumstances of the death and sets 7 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 1: out to investigate. She soon finds herself in unfamiliar territory 8 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 1: as she uncovers shocking truths about her friends life and 9 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 1: mysterious death. 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It's actually the title 18 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 1: of a brand new movie, but woven into this movie 19 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 1: are real life elements. I mean it, see Grace, this 20 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 1: is crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here 21 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:45,400 Speaker 1: at Foxnation. In Serious m one eleven. The premise of 22 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 1: this movie just grabbed me by the shoulders and shook 23 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 1: me because it is reminded me of so many other 24 00:01:53,800 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 1: similar cases, cases that stem from a gorgeous a real 25 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 1: estate agent who somehow ends up dead. You know what, 26 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:14,920 Speaker 1: Let's just start off with a real life case, the 27 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:21,080 Speaker 1: story of Beverly Carter. Listen to this. Beverly Carter was 28 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:25,080 Speaker 1: my sweet mom. She was an executive broker and a 29 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 1: top producing real estate professional from the North La Rock, 30 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 1: Arkansas area. While doing the work that my mom loves 31 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 1: so much, she was kidnapped and murdered in the fall 32 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:40,919 Speaker 1: of twenty fourteen. A couple of weeks before that showing 33 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 1: that took my mom from me, my mom began hearing 34 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 1: from a couple. Their story was that they were out 35 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 1: of state buyers. They were relocating due to work cash buyers, 36 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 1: and my mom was hearing from them from phone calls, 37 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 1: to x and emails. Their phone number matched that of 38 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 1: an out of state buyer, their email address matched the 39 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:13,079 Speaker 1: fictitious names that they had given her. But my mom 40 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 1: had no idea that these people were not who they 41 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:20,080 Speaker 1: said they were. She had no idea of their intentions 42 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 1: to kidnap her, to hold her for ransom, and to 43 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 1: take her perceived wealth. The husband of this couple that 44 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 1: took my mom said, when he was questioned why Beverly, 45 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 1: he said, because she was a rich broker that worked alone. 46 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 1: Just being in the profession, marketing herself as the professional 47 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 1: that she was made her a target, and she was 48 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 1: a target. She marketed herself. How many times do you 49 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 1: just drive down the street and you see billboards with 50 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:04,119 Speaker 1: a realtor and they're usually glamour shots, and I look 51 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 1: at them and think, wow, you know, maybe if I 52 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: ever buy a house or that's who I'll call. I 53 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 1: don't think about it the way a predator would think 54 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 1: about it. You were just hearing Beverly Carter's own son 55 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:24,480 Speaker 1: with the Beverly Carter story at Stewart Online, telling about 56 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 1: his mom who lost her life just being in realtory. 57 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 1: What I remember about that case is not only her 58 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:33,919 Speaker 1: being found in a shallow grave, but also that the 59 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 1: husband and the son were at home heating up dinner 60 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 1: waiting for mom to come home, and then she never came. 61 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 1: That was a tangled web a ball of yarn that 62 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:51,279 Speaker 1: was really hard to untangle, much like this new Fox 63 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 1: Nation movie Murder for Sale. It's really hard to detangle 64 00:04:57,320 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 1: this one. With me an all star panel to make 65 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 1: sense of this movie. And when you watch it, and 66 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:05,359 Speaker 1: you can see it right now streaming on Fox Nation, 67 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:09,279 Speaker 1: you're gonna love it. Let me first go to the 68 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:15,559 Speaker 1: star Murder for Sale. Matt Hamilton. Hello, Hi Matt, thanks 69 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 1: for being with a star of Murder for Sale. You 70 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 1: play detective car Sitting and you can be found at 71 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:26,279 Speaker 1: Matt Hamilton dot ca and on Instagram at Underscore Matt 72 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 1: Underscore Hammer. But I've seen you all over the place. 73 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 1: First of all, nobody can forget your blue eyes. I 74 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 1: hope my husband's not listening. He also has blue ish eyes. 75 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 1: But that said, Matt Hamilton, you have an incredible on 76 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:48,679 Speaker 1: screen persona. How did you get involved in this movie? 77 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 1: Because I love the movie and I don't anybody on 78 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 1: this panel tell who did it? Don't think about it? Um, 79 00:05:58,240 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 1: how do I get involved? You don't want my kid? 80 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 1: I can't even remember if this was an offer or 81 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:04,840 Speaker 1: I auditioned for it. To be honest with you, it 82 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 1: was during a busy period, but I'm up here in 83 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 1: Vancouver and it was filming and it kind of came 84 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:14,719 Speaker 1: across my way. And one thing I love is I 85 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 1: love playing cops like I was. I grew up watching 86 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:23,040 Speaker 1: like Bruce Willis, you know, action movies and slone movies. 87 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 1: Something I got to when I get to like playing 88 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 1: a cop, it's just like, oh, yes, yes, give me this. 89 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 1: And he's got that. The detective Carson Spann. We kind 90 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 1: of ongoing joke on set, me and the director Steven 91 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:37,600 Speaker 1: would be like a detective Carson Spano talking like a 92 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 1: super cop boy. Um hold on, I've got to write 93 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 1: that down talking in a super cop voice to Robert 94 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 1: Christmin joining me. Private investigator but former fed with a 95 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:54,600 Speaker 1: federal task Force for the US Department of Justice, also 96 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 1: with the d EA and the Miami Field Division Division. 97 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:02,679 Speaker 1: Never a lack of business there. Former homicide in Crimes 98 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:05,599 Speaker 1: against Children investigator. You can find it at Crispin Investigations 99 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:09,479 Speaker 1: dot com. Crispin, do you have the supercop voice? Because 100 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever heard it or have you 101 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 1: used it? I mean I didn't notice. I tried to 102 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 1: use you and it just didn't work. Okay, he does 103 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 1: an amazing job in this movie. Outstanding and from a 104 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 1: cops perspective, right, man, Hamilton, what is the supercop voice? 105 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 1: Go ahead, hit me, Well, the supercop boys just kind 106 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 1: of deep, kind of like this, say, I mean the 107 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 1: Tective Carson Spanner. It's not like a voice I think 108 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 1: you used in any movie. I'm trying to think of where, 109 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 1: like where I'm like parrying it from. Um, there's got 110 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 1: to be some sort of movie where that's coming from. 111 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 1: I can't tell you to the top of the top 112 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 1: of every time I came into SAT Stephen would do 113 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 1: the same thing. Detective Curson span It's almost like, you 114 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 1: know what it is. It's like the movie trailer voice 115 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 1: you kind of sent Sam spay. You kind of sound like, um, 116 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 1: Steve Martin and one of his well, the only cop 117 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 1: case I can think if he did was Pink Panther. 118 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 1: But yes, he's play He's used his detective voice before. 119 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 1: So Crispin, did that sound like a super coup voice 120 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 1: to you? Fantastic? I'm here a great voice. It's perfect. 121 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 1: It's been a death screen so bad. It's funny how 122 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 1: Matt Hamilton people grew up thinking, Wow, I want to 123 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 1: be a cop. You know there are people that grew 124 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 1: up thinking I want to be the robber. I want 125 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 1: to be the bad guy. So at least you know 126 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 1: you're on the right track wanting to be a detective. 127 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 1: So you guys shot in Vancouver. Yeah, that's okay. Guys. 128 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 1: I want you to hear a tiny bit and I'm 129 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 1: not gonna give it away. Take a listen to this, 130 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 1: to this clip from Murder for Sale. Thank you for coming. Yeah, 131 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 1: of course, thank you. Call if you have any questions. 132 00:08:44,840 --> 00:09:13,200 Speaker 1: He and need an ambulance to one oh five. Okay 133 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 1: Avenue please, Marie so Lea's wrong with me? Ma'am? Are 134 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 1: you there? You hear me? Hello? Ma'am? What would you 135 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 1: have the man? Are you a dare? Hello? Okay, okay, wow, 136 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 1: I kind of want to hear that whole thing again. 137 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 1: Time Stories with Nancy Grace joining me right now. In 138 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:56,440 Speaker 1: addition to the star of Murder for Sale, streaming right 139 00:09:56,480 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 1: now on Fox Nation, is a real life Southern California realtor, 140 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 1: I would say, a glam realtor. You can find her 141 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 1: at Chaison dot com and on Insta, the Hope Coulter realtor. 142 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 1: Okay she I can't imagine who came up with that, Chaison, Prince, Chaison, 143 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 1: I don't want to scare you away from your job. 144 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 1: You've still got to get those two children of yours 145 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 1: through college. But that said, what kind of precautions do 146 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 1: you take when you go show a home? I mean, 147 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 1: Beverly Carter had had extensive conversations with the prospective buyers. 148 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 1: How is she to know this was all to lure 149 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 1: her there, Robber's thinking that she would be loaded down 150 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 1: with cash AND's jewelry. Well that the reality is that 151 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 1: there is constant risk every day with this career, and 152 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:50,839 Speaker 1: a lot of people think that it's all just blitz 153 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 1: and glamor are beautiful homes, but it is actually one 154 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 1: of the most riskiest careers. Well, hold on right there, Chaison. 155 00:10:57,320 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 1: You know what I noticed when I was looking for 156 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:02,680 Speaker 1: a parents in New York and trying to find a 157 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:06,680 Speaker 1: home when I was still a prosecutor. The realtor always 158 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:09,679 Speaker 1: shows up dressed about one hundred times better than me, 159 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 1: dripping in jewelry, with designer sunglasses and clothes, and usually 160 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:21,200 Speaker 1: an expensive sports car. Sometime always why and it's and 161 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 1: then that's like a calling card when you really dial 162 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 1: it back and look at the dangers of what that 163 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 1: can be, because watching the movie definitely was just chilled, 164 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 1: constant chills that I had. And when you're out there, 165 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 1: you've just become so vulnerable because you do have these 166 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 1: ongoing phone calls and emails and all this communication that's 167 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:45,320 Speaker 1: going on. So you then tend to think that these 168 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 1: people are real. But then another vulnerable situation is meeting 169 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 1: them in person by yourself being inside of a home 170 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 1: for a showing and just never you just never know. 171 00:11:56,120 --> 00:12:00,120 Speaker 1: There's really no way of really knowing if you're in 172 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 1: complete danger, and that's the mindset that you have to have. Well, 173 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 1: that's the mind that I have every time I'm meeting 174 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 1: with someone, which is nerve wrecking, but that comes with 175 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:12,559 Speaker 1: the job. But Shay, what I'm asking is what precautions 176 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:14,840 Speaker 1: do you take? Because I'm sure Beverly Carter did all 177 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:17,319 Speaker 1: of that too, And now I'm murder for sales about 178 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 1: a realtor that kills over at an open house. Well, 179 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 1: what I've started doing is that I don't go to 180 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 1: the showings and open house alone anymore. I try to 181 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 1: have someone there, or I have someone like my husband 182 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:36,200 Speaker 1: if he's available in the driveway, just waiting because it 183 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:39,080 Speaker 1: is nerve wrecking. And then the other things too, is 184 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:42,200 Speaker 1: that when you're doing a showing, then I have a 185 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:46,080 Speaker 1: setup pretty much like an instant dial. If something's wrong, 186 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:49,080 Speaker 1: it sends a message because there's apps available, like if 187 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:52,440 Speaker 1: you're in an urgent situation where it just dials out 188 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:55,960 Speaker 1: to a number of people letting them know, like made 189 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 1: a and automatically they'll know. Because I let everyone know 190 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 1: before I'm to do a showing or an open house, 191 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 1: this is where I'm going, this is the address, this 192 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 1: is who I'm meeting with. So if there's a text 193 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 1: message coming from there like a mayde, then something's gone south. 194 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 1: And also the check in I have the check in 195 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 1: method letting people know when I get there. Halfway through, 196 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 1: there's that communication and when I'm closing up, I let 197 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:20,559 Speaker 1: them know, so if they're not hearing back from me, 198 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:24,840 Speaker 1: then they know this is an alert something's wrong. So okay, 199 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:27,320 Speaker 1: hold on just a moment. Let me understand. You have 200 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 1: your husband sitting the driveway when you do a home showing. 201 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 1: If I'm meeting with someone for the first time, yeah, 202 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:35,200 Speaker 1: if he's available, I have him come with me so 203 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 1: I'm not there alone. They don't notice that there is 204 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 1: a guy lurking in the driveway. I mean, what do 205 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 1: you pass them off as another potential buyer? Not necessarily lurking. 206 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 1: I've seen him. I can envision him lurking, just sitting 207 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:54,719 Speaker 1: there in his car watching the house. Well, it's it's 208 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 1: parked up. Maybe you could pass them off as another 209 00:13:56,960 --> 00:13:59,320 Speaker 1: buyer and make them feel like they have to jump 210 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:01,080 Speaker 1: on the house right then because there's this guy sit 211 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:03,719 Speaker 1: in the parking lot. Okay, well, I didn't know that 212 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:08,719 Speaker 1: you were a real estate team. Hopefully is employers at 213 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 1: his fancy job of that law firm. Don't hear that 214 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:13,199 Speaker 1: he leaves every day it launch to go lurk in 215 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:16,960 Speaker 1: a driveway so you can show a house. But okay, Jason, 216 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 1: you went into this knowing the risks. Have there ever 217 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 1: been times you felt afraid? Yeah. One of the showings, 218 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:29,960 Speaker 1: coming to the closing, I was putting everything back in 219 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 1: place and then the door opened and this man walked 220 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 1: in and I knew at that point that something just 221 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 1: was wrong because my stomach dropped. And that's one of 222 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 1: the things that they tell you to watch out for, 223 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 1: is that you know people will tend to come at 224 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 1: the very end, because they know everybody's pretty much gone 225 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 1: at that time, and so he came in, asked a 226 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 1: bunch of odd questions, lurking around really slow, and I 227 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 1: followed my gut at that point and started talking about 228 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 1: the landscaping and the gardening and all the work that 229 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 1: was done to try to get him out of the house, 230 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 1: which he went along with it, and we stayed out there. 231 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 1: He was trying to come back in, and I told 232 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 1: him I had another appointment and just had to kind 233 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 1: of kind of clothes at that point. But I knew 234 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 1: something was off because you can just feel it, and 235 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 1: I knew that if I had gotten back inside of 236 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 1: the house, that probably wasn't going to be a good situation. 237 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 1: You know, she's on. You just gave me a chill 238 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 1: all the way down the left side of my body, 239 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 1: just the way you described it. You know, question, do you, 240 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 1: Matt Hamilton? You're the star of Murder for Sale, and 241 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 1: when you're thinking, and I know you went into it 242 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 1: just as an actor. You know your part, you know 243 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 1: what to do. But did it ever hit you that 244 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 1: realtors actually are female Realtors usually are attack and sometimes 245 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 1: and murdered as a part of their job. Yeah, actually, 246 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 1: funny should Actually it's not funny. You should ask that 247 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 1: at all. Addie should ask coincidentally should ask? We feel 248 00:15:57,600 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 1: you should ask. Well. I grew up in a place 249 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 1: called the Torria, which is close to Vancouver. It's about 250 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 1: an hour and a half ferry right, And I knew 251 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 1: a girl who was killed at an open house. It 252 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 1: was kind of like a hit. It made it made 253 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 1: the news, I think it was. It was on dateline 254 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 1: it was. Her name was Lindsay Booziac and she would 255 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 1: have been um and we still they still have never 256 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 1: found the killer. It was a really mysterious kind of setup. 257 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 1: And she had it was another one of those things 258 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 1: where she had a kind of a bad feeling. But 259 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 1: the house was it was it was a really expensive house, 260 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 1: and so she went to go meet the buyer and 261 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 1: it was basically an assassination essentially. And the motives are 262 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 1: a little iffy, but it's it's like, it's it's terrified. 263 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 1: You know. Matt Hamilton is joining me. He has been 264 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 1: in so many other productions and he was snagged to 265 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:04,399 Speaker 1: do Murder for Sale and just did a phenomenal job. 266 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 1: This is I love this movie. In fact, I think 267 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 1: I'm gonna watch it again. I love it. I don't 268 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 1: know if it's because I'm a crime aficionado. The acting 269 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 1: is great at everything, but you just said something really 270 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:25,959 Speaker 1: key that she had a quote bad feeling about it. 271 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:30,520 Speaker 1: Joining me is doctor Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst out of Beverly Hills. 272 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 1: Never left a business there as well. You can find 273 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:36,199 Speaker 1: out doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. Doctor Bethany. Do you 274 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 1: know how many times I have investigated, prosecuted, or plat 275 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:44,919 Speaker 1: out a case, much less covered it where the victim 276 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:54,120 Speaker 1: had an overwhelming sense of dread, a doomsday, a scary 277 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 1: not necessarily premonition, but just a bad feeling before their 278 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 1: demise or their tech. Nancy, I had a bad feeling 279 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:04,639 Speaker 1: at the beginning of this movie, which I have to 280 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 1: say I loved so in the opening scene, which you 281 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:13,359 Speaker 1: just played, you have to scare yourself. I started watching 282 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:16,119 Speaker 1: it at five o'clock this morning, and I'm not kidding you. 283 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 1: I could not turn it off. I could hardly turn 284 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 1: my head away to make my morning latte. I was riveted. 285 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 1: And in the opening scene, you have this gorgeous mansion, 286 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:29,919 Speaker 1: you have this beautiful Real Turn, Laney, this couple comes 287 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 1: in to look at the house, and right then I 288 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 1: had the bad feeling. I'm like, are they going to 289 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 1: do her in? And the reason I thought that was because, 290 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 1: as we've been talking about, real turns are basically sitting ducks. 291 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 1: I mean, they're by themselves, they're gorgeous. They have to 292 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 1: wear the great clothing in the jewelry because they have 293 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 1: to signal to the potential clients that they're successful. If 294 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 1: if they dressed badly in their in their gym clothes 295 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:57,360 Speaker 1: or whatever, you know, the buyer's going to say, well, 296 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 1: why should I trust you, You're not even professional. But shere, 297 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 1: lady's in this this gorgeous home, and she's having a 298 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:08,919 Speaker 1: hard time breathing, and there's this sense of danger that 299 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 1: gripped me, and I thought, something bad is going to 300 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 1: happen to her. Either she's having an asthmatic attack or 301 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 1: somebody poisoned her, or the next person who comes in, 302 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:24,960 Speaker 1: you know, has some ill intent towards her. And then 303 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 1: the way this movie unfolded, I have to say, I'm 304 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 1: a Nancy Drew fan. I group up on Nancy Drew, 305 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:39,160 Speaker 1: and that's how this folded. Unfolded so many characters. You know, Violet, 306 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 1: you know who is her best friend, Savannah her childhood friend, 307 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 1: too Careltors Ava who's a friendly rival, Bob who is 308 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 1: Ava's husband, and all these relationships are intertwined, and you know, 309 00:19:54,280 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 1: every single person except for Violet, her best friend. I thought, well, 310 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 1: maybe that person did it, or maybe that person did it, 311 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:06,560 Speaker 1: or maybe that person did it. So there were if 312 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 1: you want a chill in the thrill, I mean really honestly, 313 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 1: there were bad feelings all around in this movie from 314 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:14,639 Speaker 1: the beginning. But even in true life, I've had so 315 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:16,960 Speaker 1: many victims tell their friends. You know, I've got a 316 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 1: really bad feeling about this. In fact, we just finished 317 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 1: covering the case of Alex and Murrague and his wife 318 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:27,880 Speaker 1: Mackie told a friend before she went to meet Murdogue 319 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:30,439 Speaker 1: and to her death. I got a really bad feeling 320 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:32,680 Speaker 1: about this and what is he up to? What's going on? 321 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:36,679 Speaker 1: She knew that but went into it anyway. This is 322 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 1: of course airing on Fox Nation Murder for Sale, But 323 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:46,160 Speaker 1: in real life, this is the reality. Take a listen 324 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:50,960 Speaker 1: our cut twenty nine, when it's your dad become concerned. 325 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 1: I'm early to go to bed and he called me 326 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:01,680 Speaker 1: at nine o'clock and he sits on, I haven't heard 327 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 1: from your mom yet, and I'm getting concerned. And we 328 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:06,399 Speaker 1: kind of joked and he said, he said, you know, 329 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:12,800 Speaker 1: I'm getting gone a hungry too, And I said, well, Dad, 330 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:14,879 Speaker 1: if it makes you feel any better, you know, Mom's 331 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 1: probably out. It's a it's a good deal. They wanted 332 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 1: to write an offer on the house and this is 333 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:25,880 Speaker 1: this has nothing to worry about. And he said, Sun 334 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:28,920 Speaker 1: will every time I call her, phone's just go into voicemail. 335 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:30,919 Speaker 1: And I said, well, you know how busy she is. 336 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 1: Maybe her phone just died. That is beverly Son. Carl 337 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:38,920 Speaker 1: Carter Junior speaking to me, And I will never forget 338 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:43,359 Speaker 1: the suffering in his voice after his mom was killed 339 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:45,200 Speaker 1: being a realtor. You know, Jack, I want to hear 340 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:48,119 Speaker 1: our cut one one more time, the one that doctor 341 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 1: Bethany's describing. Take a listen. Thank you for coming, Yeah, 342 00:21:51,800 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 1: of course, thank you, Carl. If you have any questions, 343 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 1: and he's an ambulance to one O five, Okay Avenue, 344 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:29,680 Speaker 1: Please Marie, something's wrong with me, ma'am. Are you there? 345 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 1: You carry? Come on, ma'am, what what are you gonna 346 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:41,840 Speaker 1: ran the man. Are you a dare? Come on? Okay? Wow. 347 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 1: Wendy Patrick joining me, California prosecutor, author of Whade Bad 348 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 1: Looks Good and author of Red Flags. She's the star 349 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 1: off today with doctor Wendy on Casey BQ. Wendy, the 350 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 1: first thing I like to do with is jurory if 351 00:22:56,280 --> 00:23:00,240 Speaker 1: I've got it, is to play the nine one one call. 352 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 1: And that nine one one call the victim trying trying 353 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 1: to get help was very realistic. Oh that's for sure. 354 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:12,600 Speaker 1: The nine one one call actually brings the jurors to 355 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 1: the crime scene. And that is one of the best 356 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 1: ways that any case could start by really familiarizing themselves 357 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:22,159 Speaker 1: with whatever fact pattern, how it began. You know what 358 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 1: makes this particularly chilling as we talk about how dangerous 359 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:26,879 Speaker 1: it is for real estate agents if you're trapped with 360 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:29,880 Speaker 1: a dangerous person where no one can hear you scream 361 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 1: as we say, what about being trapped in an empty 362 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:35,400 Speaker 1: house in some remote location where no one can hear 363 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 1: you call for help. So, whatever it is, whatever the scenario, 364 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:43,600 Speaker 1: bringing a jury in through listening to that struggling to breathe, 365 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:46,440 Speaker 1: I mean, that's even hard to listen to for anyone, 366 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:49,520 Speaker 1: and you can only imagine that the scene that that says, 367 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:51,879 Speaker 1: no wonder we all had a bad feeling at the 368 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 1: beginning of the movie because it really gives you a 369 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 1: sense of how dangerous it is and a number of 370 00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:58,879 Speaker 1: a variety of levels to have this job as a 371 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:03,399 Speaker 1: realtor Glham Old Chaison Prince joining US Southern California realtor 372 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 1: Star Chaison. Just tell me one word chaise on, one 373 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:11,120 Speaker 1: word yes or no. You do take a fully charged 374 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:15,919 Speaker 1: phone with you to every showing correct. Yeah, absolutely, Okay, 375 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:19,960 Speaker 1: that was two words. But anyway that's said. Now we're 376 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 1: going to say something and murder for sale that we 377 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,920 Speaker 1: don't see that often a very different type of m 378 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 1: O modus operandi method of operation. Take a listen nowur 379 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 1: cut too. She didn't have anything for breakfast, just coffee, 380 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 1: so that leaves the fig cookies, right, But the test 381 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:39,439 Speaker 1: came back negative on those. Okay, So if the cookies 382 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:40,879 Speaker 1: came back negative, it is I mean, we're looking at 383 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 1: something else with the source of the poison. Possibly, But 384 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 1: I did find one fig cookie in our victim's stomach 385 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 1: that wasn't fully digested. There was a thickening age in 386 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 1: present sometimes to Jan Canny, I'm still looking into botulism 387 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 1: toxin type A cosmetic botulism. Okay, Eli, if she's had 388 00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 1: any recent doctor's appointments. Back to the cookie for a second, 389 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:04,159 Speaker 1: Is it possible just one of the cookies could have 390 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:07,200 Speaker 1: been poisoned? Now you're thinking like a detective right now, 391 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 1: And then I did some research. Things are low acid 392 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 1: with a page of four point six. So if during 393 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 1: the canning process, you know, acid was added, a thickening 394 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,440 Speaker 1: agent was used, and if the heat failed to reach 395 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty degrees, it's a perfect breeding ground 396 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 1: for the spores. Do you think it could have been 397 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:25,639 Speaker 1: a killer cookie? It could be whatever the source of 398 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,240 Speaker 1: the botulism is. Based on everything we know this far, 399 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 1: and the fact that the toxic levels were so unusually 400 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 1: high in our victim's system, I feel confident this was 401 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:54,960 Speaker 1: a malicious act. Later Prime stories with Nancy Grace, she 402 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,840 Speaker 1: didn't have anything for breakfast, just coffee, so that leaves 403 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 1: the fake cookies, right, But the test came back negative 404 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:03,680 Speaker 1: on those. Okay, So if the cookies came back negatives, 405 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:05,400 Speaker 1: I mean we're looking at something else with the source 406 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:09,480 Speaker 1: of the poison. Possibly, but I did find one fig 407 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,560 Speaker 1: cookie in our victim's stomach that wasn't fully digested. There 408 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:15,159 Speaker 1: was a thickening age in present sometimes to Jin Canning, 409 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:20,639 Speaker 1: I'm still looking into botulism. Toxin type A cosmetic botulism. Okay, Elsie, 410 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,920 Speaker 1: if she's had any recent doctor's appointments. Back to the 411 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,879 Speaker 1: cookie for a second, Is it possible just one of 412 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 1: the cookies could have been poisoned? Now you're thinking like 413 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 1: a detective right now, And then I did some research. 414 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 1: Figs are low acid with the pH of four point six. 415 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 1: So if during the canning process, you know, acid was added, 416 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,639 Speaker 1: a thickening agent was used, and if the heat failed 417 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,199 Speaker 1: to reach two hundred and fifty degrees, it's a perfect 418 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 1: breeding ground for the spores. Do you think it could 419 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 1: have been a killer cookie? Could be whatever the source 420 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,359 Speaker 1: of the botulism is. Based on everything we know this 421 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,160 Speaker 1: far and the fact that the toxin levels were so 422 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 1: unusually high in our victims system, I feel confident of 423 00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:02,200 Speaker 1: this was a malicious act murder. Okay. To Alexis Tereshchuk 424 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:06,360 Speaker 1: joining us climb online dot Com investigative reporter, Alexis Treshi, 425 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 1: thanks for being with us, so is it like a 426 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 1: thumb print cookie. You know, the cookies that have indentation 427 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 1: and the middle and there's icing or jelly or jam 428 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,120 Speaker 1: or something in it. That's what we're talking about. Yeah, exactly, 429 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 1: they're like a yellow cookie and then they would have 430 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 1: a jelly in the middle. I personally would never eat 431 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,600 Speaker 1: the cookies. They're so dry. And the thing was, there 432 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:34,560 Speaker 1: was a clue in movie that she always had chocolate 433 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 1: chip cookies. She had a pattern. She would always get 434 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,399 Speaker 1: fresh baked cookies and bring them to her open houses, 435 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:43,239 Speaker 1: chocolate chip, chocolate chip chocolate chips. Always got them from 436 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:47,880 Speaker 1: the same bakery. This time there were these dry jelly cookies, 437 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 1: which was a big clue as to why I thinks 438 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:52,920 Speaker 1: we're different there and if that was them, because this 439 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:57,040 Speaker 1: is clearly how she got poisoned. As the medical examiners up, Okay, guys, 440 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:02,040 Speaker 1: we're talking about death by cookie, but this is by 441 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:07,920 Speaker 1: far not the first time that a very unusual vehicle 442 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:12,159 Speaker 1: has been used to commit a deadly crime. Take a 443 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 1: listen to our cut seven. Our friends at GMA investigators 444 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:19,359 Speaker 1: say they still have no clear motive as to why 445 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 1: fifty two year old Lana Clayton allegedly used eyedrops to 446 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,119 Speaker 1: kill her husband to four years or. She did admit 447 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:30,000 Speaker 1: during interviews with our detectives that she committed the crimes. 448 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 1: Stephen Clayton was found dead in the four year of 449 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 1: this eight hundred thousand dollars South Carolina mansion he shared 450 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 1: with his wife in July. Police say they never suspected 451 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:42,800 Speaker 1: foul play was involved until toxicology results from his autopsy 452 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:46,880 Speaker 1: revealed high levels of tetrahydros lane, the chemical found in 453 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:50,440 Speaker 1: eyedrops and nasal sprays in his blood stream. Wow okay 454 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:54,719 Speaker 1: out to Wendy Patrick, California Prosecutor. At the crime lab 455 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:59,040 Speaker 1: and at the Medical Examer's office, the coroner. The Morgue 456 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:05,160 Speaker 1: normal or standard blood panels are on toxicology and they 457 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 1: don't typically look for tetra hi jazolene, which is basically 458 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 1: what's vizine. So in a case like this murder for sale, 459 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:19,280 Speaker 1: you necessarily know what to look for. You just see 460 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:22,960 Speaker 1: a very high toxicity level. Wendy, Well, you would do 461 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,200 Speaker 1: is work backwards, that's right, So you would look at 462 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 1: whatever the cause of death was determined to be, look 463 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,600 Speaker 1: at the types of substances that might have caused a 464 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 1: death in that manner, and then you're a you look 465 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 1: circumstantially as to what was present in the environment that 466 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 1: could have delivered those chemicals, and you would need to 467 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,200 Speaker 1: run tox screens other than drugs and alcohol and the 468 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,240 Speaker 1: usual suspects. As we say in the crime business, you 469 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:47,600 Speaker 1: would need to think outside the box. When you have 470 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:51,480 Speaker 1: a young, beautiful real estate agent dropping dead in a home, 471 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:55,120 Speaker 1: you would certainly need to think creatively as to who 472 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 1: else might have had access to a substance that uniquely, 473 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:00,320 Speaker 1: especially if you have a pre existed can do should 474 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:03,240 Speaker 1: like asthma. We would need to look at that and 475 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:06,080 Speaker 1: then run those tests. That's the best way to solve 476 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:09,240 Speaker 1: these unusual crimes by poisoning, if you will, which is 477 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 1: often what causes these kinds of death, Doctor Bethany. Another 478 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 1: similarity is in that case, and in this case they're 479 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,040 Speaker 1: in a mansion. Why do rich people kill each other? 480 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:21,600 Speaker 1: They got everything that was an eight hundred thousand dollars 481 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:25,800 Speaker 1: mansion and now in murder for sale. Of course, she's 482 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:28,560 Speaker 1: showing a beautiful home. There's never a lie, you know, 483 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:32,960 Speaker 1: a shot down by the railroad, it's part of this, 484 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:37,360 Speaker 1: but it's actually true. It's actually true. Well can answer 485 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:39,440 Speaker 1: You're going to have to the viewers are going to 486 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:41,280 Speaker 1: have to watch the movie to get the answer to 487 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:44,040 Speaker 1: that question. But I will say that, first of all, 488 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:49,600 Speaker 1: forty four percent of all crimes are over money or property. Okay, 489 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,000 Speaker 1: so that makes sense. But secondly, there was a lot 490 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:55,680 Speaker 1: of behavioral evidence in this movie. And the behavioral evidence 491 00:30:56,240 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 1: was really uncovered by Violet, who was her best friend, 492 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:04,640 Speaker 1: because violent knew all of Laney's habits. She knew what 493 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,960 Speaker 1: kind of cookies she picked up, she knew what kind 494 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:11,240 Speaker 1: of a relationship she had with her husband. At the funerals, 495 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:14,400 Speaker 1: she snuck into her closet and looked in her jewelry 496 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:19,000 Speaker 1: chest and she saw a business card to a divorce attorney, 497 00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,280 Speaker 1: So then she kind of knew about her relationship with 498 00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:25,080 Speaker 1: the husband. Doctor Bethany, you're reminding me of doctor Martin McNeil, 499 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:31,040 Speaker 1: another high profile true to life case, a doctor and 500 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,400 Speaker 1: lawyer whose beauty queen wife is found dead in the 501 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:39,280 Speaker 1: tub and wisely one of the adult daughters who really 502 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,400 Speaker 1: cracked the case when digging through all of her jewelry 503 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,560 Speaker 1: and effects looking for clues. So did you have any 504 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,760 Speaker 1: idea Matt Hamilton, who was the star of the movie 505 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:52,920 Speaker 1: Murder for Sale. How many true life aspects that your 506 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 1: movie has? Well you know what, actually I did not? 507 00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 1: Well you're learning now a little boy. Just call out 508 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:05,520 Speaker 1: her supercop voice speaking of unusual vehicles used to poison 509 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:09,800 Speaker 1: and murder people. Okay, Lana Clayton is not the only 510 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,720 Speaker 1: one who thought of using vizine. Take a listen to 511 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,560 Speaker 1: our cut eight. This is our friend Jim Murray inside edition. 512 00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:19,800 Speaker 1: He saved dozens of lives as a paramedic. Now prosecutors 513 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:23,360 Speaker 1: say he murdered his wife by poisoning her with visine. 514 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:27,600 Speaker 1: Joshua Huntsucker and his wife, Stacy were high school sweethearts, 515 00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:31,880 Speaker 1: raising two adorable daughters aged five and six. Stacy died 516 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,520 Speaker 1: in September last year from what appeared to be a 517 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,920 Speaker 1: heart attack, but in a stunning development, her thirty five 518 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,880 Speaker 1: year old husband has just been charged with murder. Ed 519 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:45,640 Speaker 1: is the one who poisoned miser visine or a similar 520 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:50,360 Speaker 1: products her death and very often Okay, there it's very 521 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:54,000 Speaker 1: hard to determine the substance used to poison the victims, 522 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 1: but sometimes when the victim is taken to the doctor 523 00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 1: of the hospital or even the morgue. They can't figure 524 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:03,720 Speaker 1: you're at the substance at first, and the death is 525 00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:06,719 Speaker 1: chalked up to something completely different, like a heart attack 526 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,760 Speaker 1: or a stroke or some sort of seizure that causes 527 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:14,000 Speaker 1: them to froth at the mouth and then asphyxiate. Take 528 00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,680 Speaker 1: a listen to our cut nine our friends at ABC 529 00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:20,560 Speaker 1: seven radiologists Jack Chen says he noticed a chemical taste 530 00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,040 Speaker 1: in his drinks. In March, he set up a hidden 531 00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:26,440 Speaker 1: camera in their kitchen, capturing video evidence of his wife 532 00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:30,560 Speaker 1: You you allegedly taking draino from under the sink and 533 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:34,680 Speaker 1: pouring it into his lemonade in three separate instances. In July, 534 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:39,080 Speaker 1: a duntor diagnosed Chin with two stomach as gastritus and 535 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:43,080 Speaker 1: esophagus inflammation. Did you hear that? Alexis Tereschac. You and 536 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:47,440 Speaker 1: I covered that case together. He was first diagnosed with 537 00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:53,560 Speaker 1: stomach ulcers guests stritus is suphageal inflammation before they realized 538 00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:59,360 Speaker 1: he was being poisoned with draino. So in murder for sale, no, 539 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:04,400 Speaker 1: it's difficult to determine has there been a crime or 540 00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:08,120 Speaker 1: is the victim dying of some natural cause like an 541 00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:10,960 Speaker 1: acute asthmatic attack, right, and that was the thing with her, 542 00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,080 Speaker 1: and they couldn't find her in hailer. Originally we saw 543 00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:16,040 Speaker 1: you see in the very beginning of the movie she 544 00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:18,360 Speaker 1: has a bit of an as an attack. She uses 545 00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:21,800 Speaker 1: her inhaler. Then when her body is found just moments later, 546 00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:25,000 Speaker 1: they say there's no one had. In fact, Detective Carson 547 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:27,239 Speaker 1: says that she says, there's no inhaler. We can't find it. 548 00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:31,280 Speaker 1: So that was one avenue of maybe she just died 549 00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:37,160 Speaker 1: from hannic attacker in asthma attack. Sorry, but the thing is, 550 00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:42,800 Speaker 1: the medical examiner quickly narrowed it down to their botulism, 551 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,280 Speaker 1: and you're not going to get that from your inhaler. Guys, 552 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:49,680 Speaker 1: take a listen to our sound from Martyr for Sale, 553 00:34:50,320 --> 00:35:05,360 Speaker 1: No No Uncle nine one one. Well, this is the 554 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:12,440 Speaker 1: first two deaths in the same house and in a 555 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:16,880 Speaker 1: couple of days. Can I still in this place? Can 556 00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,680 Speaker 1: you tell me not much until I can start running tests. 557 00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,040 Speaker 1: No signs of foul play, but we know how that 558 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:24,840 Speaker 1: turned out last time. Yeah, I seem to scare a 559 00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:26,840 Speaker 1: lot of people when this comes out. I don't mvu 560 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:31,720 Speaker 1: Now I found thumbring cookies again on a counter choice, 561 00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,719 Speaker 1: given what happened with the first step. Yeah, only this 562 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:39,360 Speaker 1: time you're Raspberry. Well, I'm gonna start on Tumpsy tonight, 563 00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:48,040 Speaker 1: he rockstar. I'll take it. Rathby, she was poisoned? What 564 00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,839 Speaker 1: if it was meant for me? Okay, you know what, 565 00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:56,560 Speaker 1: Chaison Prance joining me glam or realtor in southern California 566 00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:02,400 Speaker 1: at Chaison dot com or on Insta could sure realtor. Okay, 567 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,200 Speaker 1: I don't know what to make of that, but chasa 568 00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,359 Speaker 1: one of the first things they say trying to sell 569 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:11,759 Speaker 1: this place. I guess the property value doesn't notice die 570 00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:15,880 Speaker 1: when not one but two people die there. Yeah, because 571 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:19,000 Speaker 1: you definitely have to disclose that. How do you tell 572 00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:22,360 Speaker 1: a client, yeah, we've had two homicides right here in 573 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:24,920 Speaker 1: the rain where you're standing. I mean I would run 574 00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:28,040 Speaker 1: as if I had seen a monster rear it's head. 575 00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,480 Speaker 1: Who want to I would probably be running it right 576 00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:36,080 Speaker 1: running along behind you. Nancy, this is the lexus. Can 577 00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,399 Speaker 1: I jump in? Yeah? When my husband and I were 578 00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,880 Speaker 1: looking for a house about a decade ago here in 579 00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,440 Speaker 1: Los Angeles, we looked at this home. It was beautiful. 580 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,080 Speaker 1: It had a really cool backhouse. It was like an 581 00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,160 Speaker 1: art studio. I was like, I feel like this home 582 00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:51,880 Speaker 1: is so familiar, but I don't have feeling like I 583 00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:54,759 Speaker 1: don't have ghost feelings. I know this home. We went home, 584 00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,759 Speaker 1: unzoogled it and a very famous young woman had died 585 00:36:57,800 --> 00:36:59,640 Speaker 1: in that home like two years earlier. It was all 586 00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,960 Speaker 1: over the I had covered her death. I just didn't. 587 00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:04,920 Speaker 1: I had never been to the crime them. And then 588 00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:06,880 Speaker 1: the house was for sale two years later, did you 589 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:10,000 Speaker 1: buy it? We did not. I would have been so 590 00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:14,360 Speaker 1: surprised that he had said yes. Surprise, bewildered, and happy, 591 00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:16,959 Speaker 1: all at the same time. You've been a murder house. 592 00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:18,799 Speaker 1: You also don't want to buy a house that's been 593 00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:24,200 Speaker 1: featured in one of those paranormal documentaries or murder house. 594 00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:28,560 Speaker 1: Say you have to disclose that as well. So, Matt Hamilton, 595 00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:30,840 Speaker 1: do they continue to try to sell the house? I 596 00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:32,520 Speaker 1: think they. I think they kind of forget about it. 597 00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:35,920 Speaker 1: Think it was more pressing matters. Yeah, the double murder, 598 00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,440 Speaker 1: who's the second Wait? Should we even ask as a 599 00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:42,080 Speaker 1: second murder victim? Should we let him tell? Because that 600 00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:46,040 Speaker 1: may touch on the plot? Okay, go ahead, who's the 601 00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:49,359 Speaker 1: second murder victim? Well? The second murder victim is just 602 00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:53,680 Speaker 1: a random person. So that's that's what makes it even more. 603 00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:56,279 Speaker 1: I'm not supposed to care about them, Yeah no, I 604 00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,200 Speaker 1: mean you don't. You don't see them before they're dead, 605 00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,960 Speaker 1: you don't know about them after. But that's what makes 606 00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:07,879 Speaker 1: the murders so the crime so confusing is there doesn't 607 00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:11,439 Speaker 1: seem to be a link between the Oh I hate that. 608 00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:14,880 Speaker 1: Let me explain what I hate so much about it 609 00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:18,759 Speaker 1: to Robert Crispin joining me, private investigator, former fed with 610 00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:23,000 Speaker 1: the US government DJ at Crispin Special Investigations. You know 611 00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:27,240 Speaker 1: how in every murder, you first look within a circle 612 00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,919 Speaker 1: of intimates, the husband, the boyfriend, the X, and then 613 00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:34,640 Speaker 1: you move out to the lawyer, the next door neighbor, 614 00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:37,239 Speaker 1: the grocery delivery guy. Then you move out and out 615 00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:38,920 Speaker 1: and out tell you where you have nowhere to go, 616 00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:43,600 Speaker 1: and then it's deemed random. That is like finding a 617 00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:46,200 Speaker 1: needle in a haystack. So when you get the first 618 00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:50,520 Speaker 1: murder of the real term, they're looking within her circle, 619 00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:53,960 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden there comes an unrelated murder 620 00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:58,520 Speaker 1: and it completely blows apart in the theory of the 621 00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:02,600 Speaker 1: intimate circle. But it happened at the same location as 622 00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:04,799 Speaker 1: a first one. So there's a connection to that house, 623 00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,319 Speaker 1: there's a connection to someone who's connected to that house. 624 00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:11,359 Speaker 1: And as an investigator, yeah, I'm focusing in who's coming 625 00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:12,799 Speaker 1: in and out of this house. Well, I can tell 626 00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:14,799 Speaker 1: you this much, I'm not buying that house. I don't 627 00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:16,920 Speaker 1: care what it looks like. Just like Alexis and you 628 00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,600 Speaker 1: and you're a beautiful home, I'm not buying it. Forget 629 00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:21,840 Speaker 1: it now. I could hear my husband saying, hey, but 630 00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:25,120 Speaker 1: it's a really good deal. No, it's not a really 631 00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:27,560 Speaker 1: good deal. You know, you're talking about all of the 632 00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:31,120 Speaker 1: similarities between this movie and what happens in true crime. 633 00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,239 Speaker 1: And I kept thinking about the husband because one of 634 00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:37,919 Speaker 1: the things we look at an investigation is the people 635 00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,880 Speaker 1: who are closest to the homicide victim. And it was 636 00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:44,960 Speaker 1: interesting that the husband had taken out a two million 637 00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:49,760 Speaker 1: dollar insurance policy on her and they were possibly going 638 00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,440 Speaker 1: through a divorce. You're right, but all of that is 639 00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:57,719 Speaker 1: part of any standard investigation. I would hope, Crispin, that 640 00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:01,640 Speaker 1: you would look up wife insurance policies potential divorces, right, 641 00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:06,839 Speaker 1: he would. Of course, it's a motive, sure, of course. Okay, guys, 642 00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,480 Speaker 1: I'll take another listen to murder for sale. Well, she 643 00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:13,080 Speaker 1: promised me and others a big return on her investment. 644 00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:17,920 Speaker 1: She needed commitments from us up to one hundred thousand 645 00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:22,840 Speaker 1: dollars In return, we would get a fifty percent profit 646 00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:26,600 Speaker 1: when the work was finished. But you didn't get the money. No. 647 00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:31,400 Speaker 1: I told her that I needed my payout or my 648 00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:36,600 Speaker 1: investment back. She said she didn't have it, but that 649 00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:41,399 Speaker 1: she was trying to get it. I had to close 650 00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:45,520 Speaker 1: the bakery. I'm so sorry. I just can't believe we 651 00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:49,160 Speaker 1: need to do something like that. I mean, either you'd 652 00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:53,239 Speaker 1: all be coming into the bakery for years. She's a 653 00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:56,800 Speaker 1: reputable real estate agent in town. I thought it was 654 00:40:56,840 --> 00:41:02,960 Speaker 1: a short thing. Can the FBI do anything? Apparently all 655 00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:06,280 Speaker 1: the money in her bank account is just up and vanished, 656 00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:11,960 Speaker 1: So either it's in a foreign account somewhere which they're investigating, 657 00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:20,040 Speaker 1: or someone else has it. Money. Money, money, the love 658 00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:24,200 Speaker 1: of money, the root of all evil. Well, I can 659 00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:27,240 Speaker 1: tell you this much. We've talked about murder for Sale 660 00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:30,120 Speaker 1: on flox Nation, but I bate you still can't figure 661 00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:34,200 Speaker 1: out he did it. Matt Hamilton's chas On, Prince, Wendy Patrick, 662 00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:37,800 Speaker 1: doctor Bethany Marshall, Robert Crispin Alexis to rest Check. Thank 663 00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:40,839 Speaker 1: you for joining us. Hold on, I gotta go watch 664 00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,520 Speaker 1: the Restless movie. Bye everybody, thanks for being with us. 665 00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:48,279 Speaker 1: I'll see you guys on flox Nation. Bye.