WEBVTT - 110: Fight Call/Night Club 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:03.040 It's ten thirty two PM in the basement of a 0:00:03.120 --> 0:00:06.520 dive bar in Delaware, and you're listening to Night Call, 0:00:15.280 --> 0:00:18.240 Hello and welcome back Tonight Call a call in show 0:00:18.400 --> 0:00:22.639 for our dystopian reality. My name is Emily Yoshida. I 0:00:22.720 --> 0:00:25.080 am in Los Angeles. In with me on the other 0:00:25.160 --> 0:00:29.920 end of the line are Molly Lambert and Tess Lynch. Hello. Hello. 0:00:30.440 --> 0:00:33.400 It is week two of Ye tow May. We're getting 0:00:33.440 --> 0:00:37.400 into it. We went straight to the top of the 0:00:39.159 --> 0:00:44.240 uh nostalgia ladder and we're gonna be talking about Fight 0:00:44.280 --> 0:00:46.920 Club later on in the episode, as well as a 0:00:46.920 --> 0:00:50.360 couple other ninety nine movies. I think we took the 0:00:50.440 --> 0:00:56.280 London Eye because I was am right. You just told 0:00:56.320 --> 0:00:59.520 me to think about the London I just goes around 0:00:59.560 --> 0:01:04.560 and around a circle. Man, it's a cycle. I love 0:01:04.560 --> 0:01:07.399 when people are like, what great civic project can we do? 0:01:07.680 --> 0:01:12.000 A giant ferris wheel? Like what kind of public transportation 0:01:12.080 --> 0:01:15.280 can we can we we undertake, you know, something to 0:01:15.280 --> 0:01:17.039 really put our money to good use. How about a 0:01:17.040 --> 0:01:21.119 thing that goes around and around and doesn't go anywhere. Um, yes, 0:01:21.240 --> 0:01:24.560 we are still talking about the Turn of the millennium. 0:01:24.720 --> 0:01:29.200 The White two k Era the year two thousand all 0:01:29.240 --> 0:01:32.000 of the above, and we got a night email from 0:01:32.040 --> 0:01:35.680 a listener about the turn of the millennium in a 0:01:35.760 --> 0:01:38.960 very special and very happy part of the world, So 0:01:39.120 --> 0:01:42.360 Malia writes, when I was very young at the turn 0:01:42.400 --> 0:01:45.000 of the century, there was one celebration. I was the 0:01:45.000 --> 0:01:48.880 perfect Asian target audience for the Millennium Celebration at Walt 0:01:48.960 --> 0:01:53.720 Disney World Resort, especially Epcot. They added temporary exhibits for 0:01:53.760 --> 0:01:56.280 other countries to add to the World Showcase side of 0:01:56.280 --> 0:01:59.560 the park, but the wildest and most aesthetic was the 0:01:59.600 --> 0:02:02.840 Taps Story of Nation's Parade, which Disney was so hype 0:02:02.840 --> 0:02:05.919 about they literally performed it at the two thousand Super Bowl. 0:02:06.120 --> 0:02:09.400 Christina Aguilar and Enrique Iglesias, we're not staples of the 0:02:09.440 --> 0:02:13.880 daily park operations, unfortunately, this parade led by the Sage 0:02:13.880 --> 0:02:16.840 of Time and set to the theme song Celebrate the 0:02:16.880 --> 0:02:19.720 Future Hand in Hand, which is full of the exact 0:02:19.800 --> 0:02:23.720 type of Millennium inspiration lyrics you would imagine. Featured enormous 0:02:23.760 --> 0:02:28.480 abstract puppets that all had incredible names like Discman, Hammerman, 0:02:28.840 --> 0:02:33.840 wiggle Girl, Reverse Marionette, as tech Man, an Angel Girl. 0:02:34.360 --> 0:02:37.680 She linked us out to the song and to some 0:02:37.760 --> 0:02:42.920 resources about this parade, the Millennium celebration. Uh, so we'll 0:02:42.919 --> 0:02:45.320 share that in the links. Yeah, Epcot seems like a 0:02:45.360 --> 0:02:49.360 particularly like a very very peak millennium kind of place 0:02:49.440 --> 0:02:53.760 to be for New Year's Eve. I'm jealous. It sounds 0:02:53.800 --> 0:03:00.240 aspirational to me to spend the Millennial celebration in Epcot. Yeah, 0:03:00.240 --> 0:03:03.639 I mean Epcot has seemed so weird. I have never 0:03:03.680 --> 0:03:06.919 been there, but I have definitely looked into it because 0:03:06.919 --> 0:03:11.000 it's just like a permanent World's Fair essentially. Well, the 0:03:11.080 --> 0:03:13.560 thing about this parade, because I did listen to the 0:03:14.840 --> 0:03:17.760 song Celebrate the Future hand in Hand, which is just 0:03:17.840 --> 0:03:20.639 like we're kind to reach for the future. Like it's 0:03:20.639 --> 0:03:23.280 just all this very kind of banal type stuff, and 0:03:23.320 --> 0:03:26.480 it just kind of reminds me about how, especially for 0:03:26.520 --> 0:03:28.320 stuff like Disney, I feel like Disney is sort of 0:03:28.320 --> 0:03:30.280 the peak example of this, but there's like this sort 0:03:30.320 --> 0:03:34.080 of because it's the millennium and it's supposed to be 0:03:34.120 --> 0:03:36.800 the future, the future also gets wrapped up in this 0:03:36.840 --> 0:03:40.280 idea of like being cool, So like Disney has to 0:03:40.320 --> 0:03:43.640 be like cool in some way for the turn of 0:03:43.640 --> 0:03:47.840 the Millennium you're talking about, which they are physically incapable 0:03:47.840 --> 0:03:52.080 of doing. Yeah, so that's that's what I love, is 0:03:52.120 --> 0:03:55.440 like Disney, and like that's why I always loved Archie 0:03:55.440 --> 0:03:58.880 comics too. It's like people trying to understand youth culture 0:03:59.360 --> 0:04:02.280 who like fun to mentally have a contempt for youth culture, 0:04:02.960 --> 0:04:05.680 but you're like, this is what sells. Got to sell 0:04:05.720 --> 0:04:09.400 this right now? Well, Disney. Disney is in kind of 0:04:09.400 --> 0:04:12.720 a bind though, because they're literally they're marketing to people 0:04:12.760 --> 0:04:17.640 who are like infants to preteens really, so it's I mean, 0:04:17.680 --> 0:04:20.520 you have to self censor. So there's no way to 0:04:20.560 --> 0:04:22.880 be cool if you're marketing to a group that includes 0:04:22.920 --> 0:04:26.400 like toddlers. And it's especially awkward at that time too, 0:04:26.480 --> 0:04:30.200 because Disney is in like a very um notorious slump 0:04:30.320 --> 0:04:33.640 at the time. Disney is not Disney is in there 0:04:33.720 --> 0:04:37.919 like pre iMac phase. Like if you think of Disney 0:04:37.920 --> 0:04:40.920 and Apple as being these ascendant forces and the ohs 0:04:40.960 --> 0:04:43.520 like like it's right, it's I think it's right. Before 0:04:43.520 --> 0:04:46.760 they shut down their hand Rawn animation studio, they haven't 0:04:46.800 --> 0:04:50.360 had like an animated hit in a while. They're not 0:04:50.600 --> 0:04:53.280 the dominant force that they are today, and so like 0:04:53.600 --> 0:04:58.440 it does feel very like random, grab baggy the stuff 0:04:58.480 --> 0:05:01.040 that they like, they don't have any they don't have 0:05:01.160 --> 0:05:03.680 like it's when they're not with Pixar anymore too, so 0:05:03.720 --> 0:05:07.159 they can't use those very popular problems. Just picture like 0:05:07.279 --> 0:05:11.680 Goofy with some some cool sunglasses on. It's totally that. 0:05:11.880 --> 0:05:14.480 It's like the Goofy movie aesthetic, which I kind of love, 0:05:14.560 --> 0:05:20.279 the everybody movie aesthetic. Um. I was watching a show 0:05:20.360 --> 0:05:24.560 about who framed Roger Rabbit that was edited, not surprisingly 0:05:24.560 --> 0:05:29.360 because it was made by Disney, like a little misinformatively. Um, 0:05:29.400 --> 0:05:31.800 but I was just reading a lot about kind of 0:05:31.839 --> 0:05:35.559 that era of Disney the the news because I guess 0:05:35.640 --> 0:05:37.839 like that was also around the same time as a 0:05:37.839 --> 0:05:40.240 Little Mermaid was Roger Rabbit. But yeah, that kind of 0:05:40.279 --> 0:05:45.400 like pre pre getting back on track with all the 0:05:45.520 --> 0:05:47.159 you know, pre having a lot of product to sell 0:05:47.240 --> 0:05:49.080 or being sure that product is going to sell forever. 0:05:50.600 --> 0:05:53.760 I'm really dying to watch Oliver and Company, which is 0:05:53.800 --> 0:05:59.640 the Billy Joel uh wait you in theaters? Just not 0:05:59.720 --> 0:06:01.760 so I saw it in theaters. I know it'll like 0:06:01.880 --> 0:06:05.159 unlock a weird part of my brain to see it again. Oh, 0:06:05.520 --> 0:06:09.320 I have the DVD, my friend, I have the DVD. 0:06:09.680 --> 0:06:12.400 You're a Billy Joel enthusiasts, I am. I've been listening 0:06:12.440 --> 0:06:14.920 to Keep in the Faith once a week, got to 0:06:15.000 --> 0:06:17.599 listen to the most content, and I watched the video 0:06:17.680 --> 0:06:20.279 for Keeping the Faith just to keep myself, you know, 0:06:20.360 --> 0:06:23.320 on solid ground here, like the thing for us the 0:06:23.360 --> 0:06:26.680 eighties fifties as epitomized by Billy Joel also just a 0:06:26.720 --> 0:06:31.800 big part of the EPCOT dreams that compression of the 0:06:31.800 --> 0:06:36.880 future aesthetic that yeah, it's such a retro futuristic aesthetic, which, 0:06:37.000 --> 0:06:40.599 as Emily was saying, we all really enjoy, right, but 0:06:40.680 --> 0:06:44.720 it feels so much like corporate musicals to me, which 0:06:44.760 --> 0:06:49.320 is also funny, not necessarily fun but interesting. Right. Well, 0:06:49.320 --> 0:06:51.760 the thing this was making me, this whole kind of 0:06:51.800 --> 0:06:55.000 the vibe of the EPCOT millennial celebration was making me 0:06:55.040 --> 0:06:58.880 think about kind of the early early days of Disney 0:06:58.920 --> 0:07:02.920 California Adventure, because that opened in two thousand one, so 0:07:03.040 --> 0:07:05.080 you know, kind of still in that. Oh yeah, it 0:07:05.160 --> 0:07:07.320 was a huge bomb at the time. Yeah, it was 0:07:07.400 --> 0:07:11.600 really really ticket Yeah, people hated it. It was sort 0:07:11.600 --> 0:07:13.840 of like, what's the point of this thing? It was 0:07:13.840 --> 0:07:15.840 compared to like euro Disney because it was like some 0:07:15.880 --> 0:07:18.920 of the audience for these people for this place is Californians. 0:07:18.920 --> 0:07:22.240 Why would they want to go to California, right because 0:07:22.320 --> 0:07:26.280 they sell beer there. That's why maybe that was added later. Yeah, 0:07:26.320 --> 0:07:28.360 that might have been what they realized was the ticket 0:07:28.480 --> 0:07:30.640 for it. But there was this ride. I mean I 0:07:30.680 --> 0:07:34.880 didn't go to California Venture until like this decade, this 0:07:34.960 --> 0:07:38.440 past decade, but there was UM an early ride in 0:07:38.480 --> 0:07:41.400 the first that was part of their like a flagship 0:07:41.520 --> 0:07:45.760 ride at California Adventure called Superstar Limo. That's on the 0:07:45.880 --> 0:07:50.000 website the Excellent resource Yesterland. There's a whole record of it. 0:07:50.600 --> 0:07:55.280 And it was like a UM two thousand one era 0:07:55.680 --> 0:07:58.760 tour through like Hollywood. Like the thing is that like 0:07:59.000 --> 0:08:01.680 your celebrity in it. So you're in a limo and 0:08:01.720 --> 0:08:04.160 you're like going to an award show or something and 0:08:04.200 --> 0:08:06.840 getting asked questions by Joan Rivers and there are all 0:08:06.880 --> 0:08:11.680 these like horrifying caricatures of actual celebrities because it's like, look, 0:08:11.720 --> 0:08:14.360 it's bread Pitt or whoever, and it's like an animatronic 0:08:14.400 --> 0:08:19.000 Brad Pitt. It's like really really strange, and it is 0:08:19.080 --> 0:08:22.280 this Disney UM, you know, kind of trying to be 0:08:22.400 --> 0:08:24.600 edgy or cool or hit or something in a way 0:08:24.640 --> 0:08:26.760 that I think just obviously it was a flop from 0:08:26.760 --> 0:08:28.920 the get go. Probably part of the reason that people 0:08:28.920 --> 0:08:31.680 are like, what the hell is California Adventure? Why does 0:08:31.680 --> 0:08:35.040 it exist? Yeah, my boyfriend has told me about there 0:08:35.080 --> 0:08:38.319 was like a section of Disney World called MGM Studios 0:08:38.360 --> 0:08:40.880 that I think had a lot of the proto versions 0:08:40.920 --> 0:08:44.920 of the Hollywood rides from California Adventure. Um, but there's 0:08:44.920 --> 0:08:48.320 a ride from there that I've watched ride throughs of 0:08:48.600 --> 0:08:51.520 that is also fucking terrifying. I believe it's called the 0:08:51.520 --> 0:08:55.040 Movie Ride, and it just takes you through a bunch 0:08:55.040 --> 0:08:59.160 of random movies, um, including some movies I think maybe 0:08:59.200 --> 0:09:02.240 Alien isn't because I think it was like anything Aliens 0:09:02.280 --> 0:09:04.760 on an MGM property. I forget what it was, just 0:09:04.880 --> 0:09:09.959 like the back Lot Tour Universal Universal version of the 0:09:10.640 --> 0:09:13.760 Scarier because there's like an animatronic Wizard of Oz in it. 0:09:13.760 --> 0:09:16.560 It's like weird. It's like a David The back Lot 0:09:16.600 --> 0:09:19.760 Tour though has the backdraft. The draft part of that 0:09:19.840 --> 0:09:22.480 is super scary. It's very scary, and it's also like 0:09:22.520 --> 0:09:25.439 who thinks about backdraft now? Except for in the context 0:09:25.480 --> 0:09:29.680 of the study it overtook the movie. It's because it 0:09:29.760 --> 0:09:32.840 was quite an experience. Although Backdraft is a good movie, yeah, 0:09:32.840 --> 0:09:37.040 Backdraft rules. I've never been on the studio tour really, yeah, 0:09:37.800 --> 0:09:40.840 the Night Call tour. Actually will never be able to 0:09:40.880 --> 0:09:43.200 do that. Probably. I love thinking about that shark just 0:09:43.240 --> 0:09:46.839 being there by itself. Right. The only time I ever 0:09:46.840 --> 0:09:51.080 went to Universal was with Tess. We went didn't you 0:09:51.080 --> 0:09:53.120 go to but you went to CityWalk? Oh? But yeah, 0:09:53.160 --> 0:09:54.760 you just didn't go to inside the park on the 0:09:54.800 --> 0:09:58.760 park parks expensive so expensive, it's it's crazy. It's basically 0:09:58.800 --> 0:10:01.679 I mean, I think it's like almost comparable to Disneyland, 0:10:01.760 --> 0:10:04.760 but there's so much less to do. California Adventure, to 0:10:04.880 --> 0:10:07.760 its credit, has gotten better in some ways, although they've 0:10:07.760 --> 0:10:09.920 gotten rid of the things I really liked, like Tower 0:10:09.960 --> 0:10:14.680 of Terror. But the Car's Ride probably is one of 0:10:14.720 --> 0:10:19.400 the best rides in the whole park system. Which one 0:10:19.559 --> 0:10:22.880 the Bumper the Cars themed Bumper ride or isn't there. 0:10:22.920 --> 0:10:25.440 There's also like made ors something or other. No, there's 0:10:25.480 --> 0:10:30.840 like a dark ride where the Canyon ride it's outside. 0:10:30.880 --> 0:10:32.800 Actually that's part of the magic of it, is like 0:10:32.840 --> 0:10:36.600 you're actually under the blue California skies in this completely 0:10:36.679 --> 0:10:39.680 artificial canyon. It's like this fair environment. That was like 0:10:39.720 --> 0:10:41.520 the thing my parents like the best when I took 0:10:41.520 --> 0:10:43.720 them to California Adventure once and we had the past, 0:10:43.960 --> 0:10:46.280 was that was like they were like, this is great, 0:10:46.559 --> 0:10:50.120 Like it's the magical environment. They loved Fake California. I 0:10:50.160 --> 0:10:53.000 also loved fake yosebody. I love the fake the Shining 0:10:53.040 --> 0:10:56.920 Hotel that they have there, which is just exactly a 0:10:57.000 --> 0:11:00.440 replica of the Shining Hotel because it's the a Wani. 0:11:00.679 --> 0:11:03.800 I think somebody, we're going to take a break real quick, 0:11:03.960 --> 0:11:07.560 and when we come back, we're going to break the 0:11:07.600 --> 0:11:10.320 first rule of fight club and talk about fight club. 0:11:23.320 --> 0:11:27.079 And we're back. Welcome back to Night Call. This week, 0:11:27.720 --> 0:11:31.280 we allowed ourselves one week to talk about the movies, 0:11:32.920 --> 0:11:35.080 and of course, if we had to pick just one, 0:11:35.920 --> 0:11:44.400 we picked David Fincher adaptation of Chuck Palinus Fight Club. Um, 0:11:44.440 --> 0:11:46.840 and I would like to know a little bit like 0:11:46.960 --> 0:11:49.679 why we came to this decision, not not because I 0:11:49.760 --> 0:11:52.440 disagree with it, but like Molly, maybe you can like 0:11:52.480 --> 0:11:54.560 talk a little bit about why this is our pick. 0:11:56.280 --> 0:12:02.480 I bullied you guys into it like a real man. Well, 0:12:02.520 --> 0:12:06.600 this is because this is our fight Club obviously, but 0:12:06.720 --> 0:12:10.160 also yeah, Emily made the salient point that everybody did 0:12:10.200 --> 0:12:13.560 their best year from movies things last year when it 0:12:13.640 --> 0:12:17.040 was the twenty year of that. So I did feel 0:12:17.040 --> 0:12:18.599 that if we were going to do one movie, we 0:12:18.640 --> 0:12:21.240 should do Fight Club. But it was Emily was because 0:12:21.280 --> 0:12:24.600 you said it was the last movie where terrorism could 0:12:24.640 --> 0:12:26.600 be good. I don't even know if this movie thinks 0:12:26.600 --> 0:12:29.400 that terrorism is good, Like it's really really soft pedals 0:12:29.480 --> 0:12:33.679 nearly haven't watched it again. I forgot how noncommittal it is. 0:12:33.880 --> 0:12:36.840 It's very not ready to commit to terrorism. I think 0:12:36.880 --> 0:12:40.400 you know, ocleshomann City had been fairly recent, um, but 0:12:40.480 --> 0:12:42.480 this is truly one of the last years where if 0:12:42.520 --> 0:12:47.040 you say terrorists in a movie, you imagine a white man. 0:12:47.960 --> 0:12:52.160 Uh you. It's before terrorism gets completely encoded in this 0:12:52.160 --> 0:12:55.679 whole like com Land security were against terror type thing, um, 0:12:55.800 --> 0:12:58.959 which is super interesting, and it doesn't I don't think 0:12:58.960 --> 0:13:01.280 it necessarily lets it be have a leer about it, 0:13:01.720 --> 0:13:04.360 but it's certainly a different thing to have a movie 0:13:04.400 --> 0:13:07.000 be about or like play with, than it would be 0:13:07.200 --> 0:13:10.679 two years later. Well. Also, if I'm not wrong, I 0:13:10.679 --> 0:13:12.520 think I read somewhere and I'll have to double check 0:13:12.600 --> 0:13:14.640 this and um put it in the notes, but I 0:13:14.679 --> 0:13:19.040 am pretty sure that this was me. Columbine happened in April, 0:13:20.520 --> 0:13:23.480 and so there are a bunch of lines and scenes 0:13:23.559 --> 0:13:26.800 obviously in in fight Club that happened or you know, 0:13:26.960 --> 0:13:31.200 the movie was completed before Columbine, So when test audiences 0:13:31.200 --> 0:13:34.960 were responding to these scenes, they thought they were funny, 0:13:35.240 --> 0:13:38.000 and by the time the movie was released they didn't 0:13:38.120 --> 0:13:41.319 land And that makes perfect sense, but it's it's bizarre 0:13:41.320 --> 0:13:44.680 how much the world shifted just in that brief period, 0:13:44.760 --> 0:13:48.720 and how the movie you know, it was like being edgy, 0:13:48.920 --> 0:13:51.200 well it could be edgy in a certain way, and 0:13:51.200 --> 0:13:52.960 then by the time it was released it was like 0:13:53.720 --> 0:13:56.520 you know right, I mean, it's it's funny, Like I think, 0:13:56.559 --> 0:13:59.720 I I can't think about Fight Club really without thinking 0:14:00.320 --> 0:14:02.800 of the Matrix at the same time. And it is 0:14:03.280 --> 0:14:06.760 very largely about both the Columbne thing, because both of 0:14:06.800 --> 0:14:10.800 those films got kind of like a stink of Columbine 0:14:10.840 --> 0:14:14.760 on them through no intention of their own, um. But 0:14:14.840 --> 0:14:17.240 then also the way that both of those films got 0:14:17.240 --> 0:14:21.080 really um some might say not say co opted in 0:14:21.120 --> 0:14:23.240 the case of Fight Club, but I think definitely co 0:14:23.320 --> 0:14:28.560 opted in the case of The Matrix by men's rights activists. 0:14:29.120 --> 0:14:31.760 That's sort of you know, all the all the terrible 0:14:31.760 --> 0:14:34.000 people that live on our internet now, um and have 0:14:34.160 --> 0:14:37.040 always been there. Uh and and kind of you know, 0:14:37.440 --> 0:14:42.360 the world philosophy in it is kind of molded to 0:14:42.520 --> 0:14:46.720 the to the ideals of of these different groups. And 0:14:46.760 --> 0:14:48.880 so that makes both of these movies, even though they're 0:14:48.920 --> 0:14:52.040 like pretty I would say, both really important movies, especially 0:14:52.080 --> 0:14:54.040 for that time period. They have this sort of like 0:14:54.120 --> 0:14:57.720 bad reputation now because of all the stuff that's happened 0:14:57.720 --> 0:15:02.120 since well, it's also so hilarious for men's rights guys 0:15:02.200 --> 0:15:07.080 to take either The Matrix or Fight Club as the 0:15:07.280 --> 0:15:11.800 like symbol of macho nests because both of these movies 0:15:11.840 --> 0:15:18.240 are exceptionally gender queer, and that is why they're good. Um. 0:15:18.280 --> 0:15:21.960 I love Fight Club. I'm a Fight Club homer. I 0:15:22.000 --> 0:15:26.200 think it's so funny. And my memory was that they 0:15:26.240 --> 0:15:29.560 were marketing it badly because nobody knew how to market it. 0:15:29.760 --> 0:15:34.160 Rupert Murdoch absolutely hated it because of the anti corporation stance, 0:15:36.000 --> 0:15:39.040 and they thought they would just play up the fighting 0:15:39.120 --> 0:15:41.960 part rather than the comedy. So they ran ads during 0:15:42.160 --> 0:15:46.840 UFC and WWF and stuff, and then it bombed in 0:15:46.920 --> 0:15:50.080 theaters and they blamed it on Columbine. But then it 0:15:50.160 --> 0:15:51.760 was like one of the first big movies to be 0:15:51.800 --> 0:15:58.120 a hit on DVD. It was everybody immediately discovered by teenagers, 0:15:58.480 --> 0:16:03.000 who I think also could relate to the Columbine thing 0:16:03.160 --> 0:16:07.720 in a different way of like, yes, people do have 0:16:07.800 --> 0:16:10.840 a lot of suppressed rage and like what should we 0:16:10.880 --> 0:16:13.800 do about that? Right? And when you're a teenager, the 0:16:13.880 --> 0:16:19.320 stuff that Edward Norton's character is frustrated with the conformity 0:16:19.320 --> 0:16:22.720 and the corporate values and stuff like that, it's just 0:16:22.760 --> 0:16:25.880 stuff that you feel like your parents are into. Yeah, 0:16:26.080 --> 0:16:29.120 so that's what you're you feel. Let's what feels conthartic 0:16:29.600 --> 0:16:33.840 about it to you as a teenager. UM, without necessarily 0:16:33.880 --> 0:16:37.880 having the experience of being like a salary man in 0:16:37.960 --> 0:16:41.720 his early thirties or however all Edward nor is supposed 0:16:41.720 --> 0:16:45.560 to be. UM, it's so it's it's a weird it's 0:16:45.560 --> 0:16:47.840 a weird kind of jump to make, and it's weird 0:16:48.120 --> 0:16:51.360 to have that. Like I think I asked on the 0:16:51.840 --> 0:16:55.520 night called Twitter specifically, I was asking about like men 0:16:55.560 --> 0:16:58.600 over thirty five because I wanted to like get an 0:16:58.680 --> 0:17:02.800 idea of what somebody who at least had a little 0:17:02.800 --> 0:17:07.080 bit of an experience in the working world of the nineties, 0:17:07.119 --> 0:17:11.199 of the entire decade of the nineties, like whether or 0:17:11.240 --> 0:17:16.440 not Fight Club resonated for them, because the micro surfs 0:17:16.480 --> 0:17:20.000 have to say, yeah, because like this is about, like 0:17:20.080 --> 0:17:24.879 this is at its core story about like rejecting corporate 0:17:24.960 --> 0:17:29.400 values and like overthrowing credit card company. Somebody else sent 0:17:29.480 --> 0:17:31.480 me a message where they were like, it's the same 0:17:31.520 --> 0:17:35.320 exact plot as Office Space. Yes it is. Yeah, it 0:17:35.400 --> 0:17:38.760 seems like that was a big point of contention then. 0:17:39.119 --> 0:17:41.440 And I only say seems because I wasn't the age 0:17:41.440 --> 0:17:43.080 where that was relevant to me at all. But I 0:17:43.119 --> 0:17:46.080 watched those movies of course, and like internalized the stuff 0:17:46.080 --> 0:17:48.679 that they were making fun of, right, and there was 0:17:48.760 --> 0:17:54.400 like the Adbusters mentality, like we should be questioning these corporations. 0:17:54.640 --> 0:17:57.360 It's interesting to watch Fight Club and be like, wow, like, 0:17:57.440 --> 0:18:00.879 I Kea is what they talk about as being the 0:18:01.000 --> 0:18:04.320 like fast fashion, you know, churn and burned company. But 0:18:04.440 --> 0:18:07.240 obviously now you could just like slot in Amazon and 0:18:07.280 --> 0:18:13.120 it would be more dystopian even, you know. I think 0:18:13.119 --> 0:18:17.800 Ikea is easy though to mock, especially for visual purposes, 0:18:17.840 --> 0:18:19.920 and like I always remember the like kind of pan 0:18:20.000 --> 0:18:22.159 across his living room where they're filling in all the 0:18:22.200 --> 0:18:27.119 Ikea items. Yeah, they're very timeless, but I mean I 0:18:27.119 --> 0:18:29.560 think about that every time I walk into an Ikea too. 0:18:29.640 --> 0:18:32.679 But Ikia has such an aesthetic, Like it's such a 0:18:33.440 --> 0:18:35.879 I think I get, especially like tests you wrote a 0:18:35.920 --> 0:18:39.960 little bit about internet cafes in in the night called 0:18:39.960 --> 0:18:43.879 newsletter this month, and like that kind of aesthetic of 0:18:44.040 --> 0:18:47.040 just sort of like the clean future. I guess this 0:18:47.200 --> 0:18:48.800 is a lot of stuff you're talking about last week, 0:18:48.840 --> 0:18:51.600 just like the aesthetic of of this point in time being. 0:18:51.720 --> 0:18:56.639 So I guess comparatively an aseptic too, especially to like 0:18:56.680 --> 0:18:58.960 the Gruner and everything that had been at the beginning 0:18:59.000 --> 0:19:01.880 of the decade. I don't know, it's it's it's interesting 0:19:01.920 --> 0:19:04.680 to think that like that was a time when when 0:19:04.680 --> 0:19:09.520 all this fiction decided that like the design and values 0:19:09.600 --> 0:19:14.120 of the late nineties were emasculating um. But I don't 0:19:14.160 --> 0:19:18.880 think it's just emasculating. I think it's like dehumanizing to anybody, 0:19:19.000 --> 0:19:21.760 you know. Yeah, but it also kind of shows you 0:19:21.800 --> 0:19:24.240 how obsessed we were at a certain point in time 0:19:24.480 --> 0:19:27.960 with how the white man who was a white collar, 0:19:28.440 --> 0:19:32.640 white guy with angry feelings, like what about him, Let's 0:19:32.680 --> 0:19:35.879 really focus on the issues that are confronting him, And 0:19:35.920 --> 0:19:37.840 it's I mean, I always think of this movie as 0:19:37.920 --> 0:19:41.880 kind of an interesting companion to American Psycho, because both 0:19:41.880 --> 0:19:44.879 of them are really focused so much on kind of 0:19:44.920 --> 0:19:48.280 rejecting polite society and how wonderful it feels to like 0:19:48.400 --> 0:19:52.159 go against society, but obviously in very different ways. But 0:19:52.240 --> 0:19:53.879 when I was watching it, I hadn't seen it in 0:19:53.960 --> 0:19:57.040 so long because I think I I was at a 0:19:57.040 --> 0:20:00.600 certain point really turned off by how I remembered it. Um, 0:20:00.680 --> 0:20:04.000 And it's so much funnier than I thought it was 0:20:04.080 --> 0:20:06.720 when I last watched it a long time ago. Fight 0:20:06.720 --> 0:20:09.800 Club Yeah, fight club Yeah, fight close hilarious. I think 0:20:09.840 --> 0:20:12.640 that's why it's good. I I also just feel like 0:20:12.920 --> 0:20:15.800 I was just talking about this, but like the postmodern directors, 0:20:15.840 --> 0:20:17.400 it's like this is the point where they were still 0:20:17.440 --> 0:20:20.760 making movies that were about something, you know, I had 0:20:20.880 --> 0:20:23.920 like a statement of purpose in some way, and then 0:20:23.920 --> 0:20:28.400 in the two thousands it just all became twee design based, 0:20:28.520 --> 0:20:31.800 you know, just aesthetic and sort of Yeah, at the 0:20:31.800 --> 0:20:33.800 same time, I get like a little bit of a 0:20:33.840 --> 0:20:36.600 dip in my stomach for all the CG shots of 0:20:36.640 --> 0:20:39.600 like going through the hair or going down into the 0:20:39.720 --> 0:20:42.040 gas range or something like that, because I'm like, this 0:20:42.119 --> 0:20:44.720 is the beginning of people being like the camera can 0:20:44.760 --> 0:20:48.159 go anywhere with g I the intro where they go 0:20:48.200 --> 0:20:52.520 through the brain, and so that the sex scene was 0:20:52.600 --> 0:20:55.919 done in matrix bullet time because they were they had 0:20:55.960 --> 0:20:58.359 to be completely clothed at the same time. Yeah, just 0:20:58.400 --> 0:21:00.560 when and then at the same time. There were some 0:21:00.600 --> 0:21:02.320 other things too that even though it's the top of 0:21:02.359 --> 0:21:04.360 the line, I love like finding stuff like this out 0:21:04.760 --> 0:21:06.720 the little breath when he's in the ice cape with 0:21:06.760 --> 0:21:10.440 the penguin was recycled from Titanic Love that im DV 0:21:10.600 --> 0:21:13.640 trivia for this is a really it's a good page. Yeah, 0:21:14.119 --> 0:21:17.560 I think also like I saw this movie. I guess 0:21:17.840 --> 0:21:19.960 we were in high school. We were like juniors or 0:21:20.000 --> 0:21:24.960 seniors in high school. Uh, maybe a little younger or older. 0:21:25.520 --> 0:21:30.720 Softwores are juniors. Yeah, And I just like I watched 0:21:30.720 --> 0:21:32.760 it by myself when I was at that you know, 0:21:32.800 --> 0:21:35.840 my parents house, by myself, Um, and it just completely 0:21:35.880 --> 0:21:38.080 blew my mind. I was and it was the first 0:21:38.080 --> 0:21:41.200 of you that then I watched every DVD commentary track 0:21:41.359 --> 0:21:46.120 four because there were like four commentary tracks on it, um, 0:21:46.200 --> 0:21:50.879 and they're all so good as commentary. Just yeah, I 0:21:50.880 --> 0:21:53.639 don't know, I can't probably disentangle it from my feelings 0:21:53.640 --> 0:21:56.159 about it. But what I'm realizing watching it now is 0:21:56.200 --> 0:21:58.919 that I think the first few times I watched it, 0:21:58.960 --> 0:22:01.280 I just completely is to the m r. A angle 0:22:01.440 --> 0:22:06.200 because my tendency is to just insert myself as the 0:22:06.320 --> 0:22:09.080 narrator into any story, you know, so like that they 0:22:09.080 --> 0:22:13.080 were all men, like didn't really cross my mind, you know. 0:22:13.119 --> 0:22:16.880 I was like, we all need fight clubs. Everybody could 0:22:16.960 --> 0:22:19.320 use a fight club, and then we turn it into 0:22:19.440 --> 0:22:22.800 eco terrorism for the purposes of good Like that all 0:22:22.880 --> 0:22:26.480 checks out. Um. So, watching it again and trying to 0:22:26.520 --> 0:22:29.600 think of it as the m R A stuff, it's 0:22:29.600 --> 0:22:33.439 still just like it's such a it's making fun of 0:22:33.440 --> 0:22:39.240 it so much. It's such a satire about extreme masculinity, 0:22:39.280 --> 0:22:45.120 and it's so unbelievably homoerotic and like unafraid to sexualize 0:22:45.119 --> 0:22:48.840 Brad Pitt, you know, like jokes about how it's like 0:22:48.880 --> 0:22:53.040 a yeah, I mean they have a meat cute on 0:22:53.080 --> 0:22:55.800 a plane, and it's like very flirty and it's like 0:22:56.119 --> 0:22:58.960 you're You're the best single serving friend I've ever made, 0:23:01.480 --> 0:23:05.040 and like brusque older man and like young young Neophyight. 0:23:05.320 --> 0:23:10.040 It's just it's classic. So it's it's very it reads. 0:23:10.080 --> 0:23:12.040 I mean it's a it's a very easy read. It's 0:23:12.080 --> 0:23:15.000 not a stretch at all. I don't know, yeah, that 0:23:15.040 --> 0:23:17.280 they thought that, like just the marketing was so bad 0:23:17.280 --> 0:23:19.359 that they thought women would hate this movie because they 0:23:19.400 --> 0:23:22.879 were like women to see men fighting, and it's like, no, 0:23:23.040 --> 0:23:25.840 women want to see like shirtless Brad Pitt like wrestling 0:23:25.960 --> 0:23:30.359 some other guys, like that is totally something women want. Um. 0:23:30.520 --> 0:23:32.399 I don't Yeah. I never felt like this was like 0:23:32.440 --> 0:23:38.240 a particularly macho movie. I would say, like a like 0:23:38.280 --> 0:23:41.280