WEBVTT - Talkin' Cowboys: Two Different Teams 0:00:02.600 --> 0:00:05.120 The following. He's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:05.160 --> 0:00:16.520 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This he's Talking Cowboys 0:00:16.960 --> 0:00:20.360 Straining live from the Dallas Cowboys World Hours at the 0:00:20.440 --> 0:00:31.600 Star in Frisco. Says here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian Brons, 0:00:32.080 --> 0:00:37.360 Rob Phillips, and Bill Jones. Happy New Year, y'all. Welcome 0:00:37.400 --> 0:00:42.519 to Talking Cowboys inside thes WBC Mortgage Studio. It is 0:00:42.560 --> 0:00:47.000 a Wednesday, that's like a Thursday for your Dallas Cowboys. 0:00:47.560 --> 0:00:52.080 It's playoff week. Seahawks coming into town Saturday night at 0:00:52.200 --> 0:00:55.120 and T Stadium, Wildcard Round and we're gonna break it 0:00:55.160 --> 0:00:58.000 all down, big show today over the next hour. Rob 0:00:58.040 --> 0:01:03.120 Phillips hosting for Bill Jones. Brian brought us in, Mickey Spagnola, 0:01:03.360 --> 0:01:07.399 Ken't Garrison hosting. What's up y'all? Nasty day out there. 0:01:07.480 --> 0:01:11.760 It is a nasty day. I'm sure they'll be inside today. Yeah. 0:01:11.920 --> 0:01:14.000 So she got this facility for so you can go 0:01:14.040 --> 0:01:17.319 inside and practice. But a rough weather today. Yeah. If 0:01:17.319 --> 0:01:19.160 we were, if you were playing in Seattle, you might 0:01:19.200 --> 0:01:22.120 go outside and practice. This is Seattle weather. Yeah, this 0:01:22.240 --> 0:01:24.520 is this is if if you if they were, if 0:01:24.520 --> 0:01:25.880 they were going up there you might want to give 0:01:25.880 --> 0:01:29.360 it a go five degrees uh cooler, and we might 0:01:29.400 --> 0:01:31.320 not all be here right now now. I make you 0:01:31.360 --> 0:01:33.240 got to find a way to make it. We would 0:01:33.240 --> 0:01:35.840 have made it, but ye, David, nobody else would have. 0:01:35.959 --> 0:01:38.720 Helma wouldn't have made it. We had this discussion calling 0:01:38.720 --> 0:01:40.720 out day from five years ago. Remember that time we 0:01:40.800 --> 0:01:43.280 got that email from Valley Ranch. I wasn't here. You 0:01:43.319 --> 0:01:45.160 were here for that one. They said, if you can't 0:01:45.160 --> 0:01:47.319 make it in, don't show up. Dave was the only 0:01:47.360 --> 0:01:48.920 one that didn't show up. The rest of us were 0:01:48.920 --> 0:01:51.840 sitting there. We took a picture around his desk, but 0:01:51.880 --> 0:01:53.920 he said, no, it's playoff games. You gotta make it here, 0:01:53.960 --> 0:01:56.760 you know. So you gotta find a way this week, right, 0:01:56.760 --> 0:01:58.920 you gotta find a way to Well, we'll find out tomorrow. 0:02:01.040 --> 0:02:02.760 I'll be here. Is it gonna be bad? It's most 0:02:02.760 --> 0:02:05.680 of the snow overnight. I'm kind of looking forward. We 0:02:05.760 --> 0:02:08.400 got a big concrete area out here between the practice 0:02:08.440 --> 0:02:12.120 field and the building. Everybody bringing their hockey sticks tomorrow. 0:02:12.160 --> 0:02:14.640 It's seeming a little little game going. Is this really 0:02:14.680 --> 0:02:18.280 supposed to go down? And don't you know what, I've 0:02:18.280 --> 0:02:20.400 been here all my life? No you know, one year 0:02:20.600 --> 0:02:22.960 the Super Bowl was the only time it was armageddon 0:02:23.000 --> 0:02:25.160 around here, and every one of my friends from out 0:02:25.200 --> 0:02:28.480 of town, which goes like like this all the time here, 0:02:28.560 --> 0:02:31.720 and then Super Bowl Sunday rolled in. It was like sixty. 0:02:31.960 --> 0:02:35.120 It was gorgeous day. Yeah, you know, but big hunks 0:02:35.120 --> 0:02:37.600 of ice all over the My friends are all, is 0:02:37.600 --> 0:02:39.840 this what it's like in Dallas all the time. It 0:02:39.919 --> 0:02:42.600 was just like a once in a lifetime. You've never 0:02:42.600 --> 0:02:45.799 seen it like that in thirty years. Yeah. Again, I've 0:02:45.800 --> 0:02:48.400 lived here all my life, never never have. The experience 0:02:48.520 --> 0:02:50.959 in nineteen eighty was pretty bad. But here I got 0:02:51.040 --> 0:02:53.840 drawn into weather talk ten or fifteen years ago when 0:02:53.840 --> 0:02:56.440 it snowed in. It ice the street in front of 0:02:56.520 --> 0:02:58.680 our house, the whole neighborhood. As a matter of fact, 0:02:59.320 --> 0:03:01.320 we got our hockey sticks out. Yeah, it's just got 0:03:01.400 --> 0:03:04.000 to do. Got the puck out and kind of played 0:03:04.080 --> 0:03:06.480 going down the street and a couple of people had 0:03:06.480 --> 0:03:10.560 their garbage cans overturned and they were open, So we're 0:03:10.600 --> 0:03:13.160 taking shots into the garbage can. Yeah, that's what you do. 0:03:13.320 --> 0:03:14.959 You get, you get the hockey sticks out, and you 0:03:15.240 --> 0:03:17.600 fall down a bunch hurt yourself, you know. We used 0:03:17.639 --> 0:03:19.440 to do. There's just a commercial on TV now. We 0:03:19.520 --> 0:03:20.919 used to do that when we were kids in front 0:03:20.960 --> 0:03:23.799 of the house when the ice the street would kind 0:03:23.840 --> 0:03:26.639 of freeze over and it'd be snow and packed. We 0:03:26.680 --> 0:03:29.560 had nets and we would go put the nets underneath 0:03:29.600 --> 0:03:32.160 the lights and we'd go out and play and make 0:03:32.200 --> 0:03:37.600 the cars go around us. Yeah. Interesting, that's typical, Mickey. Yeah. 0:03:37.640 --> 0:03:40.280 Don't don't, yeah, don't get in my way traffic. We 0:03:40.360 --> 0:03:43.040 got it's three to two right now, we can't stop. 0:03:43.160 --> 0:03:45.080 All right, Well, off game here. Yeah, we know the 0:03:45.080 --> 0:03:50.680 conditions inside Saturday will most likely be yeah, domed, comfortable, 0:03:50.960 --> 0:03:54.839 seventy two and dry. Yeah, exactly. So let's spend let's 0:03:54.840 --> 0:03:57.280 spend the next hour just breaking this game down. Okay, 0:03:57.720 --> 0:04:00.920 start with Let's start with the injury. What the Cowboys 0:04:00.960 --> 0:04:03.920 look like this week. Mick had their first practice of 0:04:03.960 --> 0:04:06.200 the week on Tuesday, which is a little odd, and 0:04:06.240 --> 0:04:09.560 they got two more to go. And here's the practice report, 0:04:09.640 --> 0:04:13.560 and looks like only two guys didn't practice, shocking, David 0:04:13.600 --> 0:04:18.719 Irving still out and Xavier Suaphilo missed with the ankle 0:04:18.800 --> 0:04:21.400 that he sprained. I think they were still somewhat hopeful 0:04:21.440 --> 0:04:25.400 that he'd be ready, but if not, Connor Williams turns 0:04:25.440 --> 0:04:28.680 to his starting left guard spot that he once owned, 0:04:28.760 --> 0:04:32.000 and they went about their business. And I think probably 0:04:32.040 --> 0:04:35.640 the best news was as Tyrone Crawford, who suffered the 0:04:35.720 --> 0:04:41.359 neck injury against Tampa Bay right, was back out there. 0:04:41.960 --> 0:04:45.320 And while the team was in shells when they kind 0:04:45.360 --> 0:04:48.800 of did their early part of practice, the offensive lineman 0:04:48.839 --> 0:04:52.360 and the tight ends were in pads, and he went 0:04:52.520 --> 0:04:57.680 over there and he was with seventy eight backup offensive 0:04:58.200 --> 0:05:02.359 linemen practice squad, a squad guy. Anyway, they had the 0:05:02.400 --> 0:05:04.640 pads on and they were going at it kind of 0:05:04.920 --> 0:05:08.080 like a pass rush drill and hitting to let him 0:05:08.080 --> 0:05:10.160 see what it felt like with the pads on, and 0:05:10.160 --> 0:05:12.520 he also had one of those net braced things on, 0:05:13.360 --> 0:05:15.640 and he seemed to do fine. And when he finished, 0:05:15.640 --> 0:05:18.680 he took the pads off and ran over to where 0:05:18.720 --> 0:05:21.520 the defensive linemen were and worked out. So he seemed 0:05:21.520 --> 0:05:25.000 pretty optimistic that he'd be ready to go, and that 0:05:25.120 --> 0:05:28.119 certainly would help out to have a veteran guy, because 0:05:28.120 --> 0:05:30.560 they don't have a lot of veteran guys with much 0:05:30.640 --> 0:05:36.360 playoff experience on this team and everybody else Tavon Austin, 0:05:36.520 --> 0:05:40.760 Shawn Lee, Zack Martin, Tyrant Smith. They're out there and 0:05:41.040 --> 0:05:42.960 Zeke looks like he's ready to play a game, by 0:05:43.000 --> 0:05:45.400 the way, Yeah, that's what he said, right, They might 0:05:45.520 --> 0:05:47.120 he might be one of those guys that they got 0:05:47.120 --> 0:05:49.240 to tie down. You know, it's like not yet, not 0:05:49.400 --> 0:05:52.159 yet yet. He said, my body feels fresh enough to 0:05:52.160 --> 0:05:54.760 play a game right now if I had to. Usually 0:05:54.800 --> 0:05:57.440 it takes him till about the weekend. Yeah, to feel 0:05:57.440 --> 0:06:00.279 like he's recovered from the previous game obviously, you know, 0:06:00.680 --> 0:06:02.839 you know, winning the rushing title without playing a snap, 0:06:02.880 --> 0:06:04.720 you can't get any better than that last week, right, 0:06:04.800 --> 0:06:09.200 three hundred and eighty one touches for the season so far. Yeah, 0:06:09.240 --> 0:06:12.600 that worked out just fine, didn't it. They held se 0:06:12.720 --> 0:06:16.640 Quon Barkley to less than two hundred and thirty six yards. Yeah, 0:06:16.760 --> 0:06:20.080 all of a deal. That's what you gotta do. And actually, 0:06:20.120 --> 0:06:23.400 if not for one run, they really forty one yards 0:06:23.440 --> 0:06:27.400 down righty one yards or something like that. The different challenge, 0:06:27.400 --> 0:06:30.120 by the way, with Chris Carson this week, that'll be 0:06:30.200 --> 0:06:33.400 He's remember Chris Carson from the from the Week three 0:06:33.440 --> 0:06:36.520 matchup that he had one hundred yards rushing, but he 0:06:36.560 --> 0:06:39.960 had like thirty six carries as one of those things 0:06:39.960 --> 0:06:41.960 where he was, you know, but they were committed to 0:06:42.040 --> 0:06:45.520 trying to say, okay, dirty runs are good runs here. 0:06:45.920 --> 0:06:47.680 But you know, if you look at his last three 0:06:47.720 --> 0:06:49.919 games though, he's average right around one hundred and nineteen 0:06:49.960 --> 0:06:53.000 yards at carry, that'll be that'll be, that'll be a 0:06:53.040 --> 0:06:54.960 tough matchup for the Cowboys to have to deal with. 0:06:55.040 --> 0:06:58.880 The Cowboys played really good run defense all year, you know, 0:06:59.080 --> 0:07:03.000 and this but this this guy is this guy makes 0:07:03.040 --> 0:07:06.520 their play action game go. He really really does. And 0:07:06.560 --> 0:07:08.920 that's where I think that you know, if the Cowboys 0:07:09.320 --> 0:07:11.600 can make that Russell Wilson, make him a little bit 0:07:11.600 --> 0:07:13.400 of a one dimension because they're gonna try and play 0:07:13.400 --> 0:07:16.720 action you to death. They will boot, waggles, anything to 0:07:16.760 --> 0:07:19.040 get him on the move to throw the football. But 0:07:19.160 --> 0:07:22.240 Chris Carson's a big, big part of that. So you'd 0:07:22.280 --> 0:07:25.600 start talking about playing run defense. It's gonna be used 0:07:25.600 --> 0:07:28.160 a lot of runners, but but Chris Carson is the 0:07:28.200 --> 0:07:31.480 main runner that they use. And just and since they 0:07:31.600 --> 0:07:36.600 leaked that run in the game against the Giants, it 0:07:36.640 --> 0:07:40.080 gives Rod Marinelli something to chew on this, no doubt 0:07:40.120 --> 0:07:43.360 and continue to remind them that they've got to stop 0:07:43.480 --> 0:07:48.080 the run and a lot of their running obviously Russell 0:07:48.120 --> 0:07:52.880 Wilson holding onto the ball and creates problems. He had 0:07:53.680 --> 0:07:56.600 thirty two carries for one hundred and two yards I 0:07:56.640 --> 0:07:59.440 think I just saw in that first miss Carson. Yeah, 0:07:59.480 --> 0:08:01.920 and they run for one hundred and eighteen. Right, They 0:08:01.920 --> 0:08:04.320 were just consistent with it. They were all really productive 0:08:04.320 --> 0:08:07.200 with they were too carried. Yeah, no, it was. It 0:08:07.280 --> 0:08:09.560 was the highest number of carries he's had all season. 0:08:10.240 --> 0:08:12.720 And so they were they were they were doing just 0:08:13.000 --> 0:08:15.400 enough to run the ball. You know. This they were 0:08:15.400 --> 0:08:17.640 coming off a game they were I want to say 0:08:17.680 --> 0:08:19.360 this was a money night game if correct me if 0:08:19.360 --> 0:08:22.320 I'm wrong with they played the Chicago Bears two. They 0:08:22.320 --> 0:08:24.920 lost to the Bears, right, and the Bears really just 0:08:25.040 --> 0:08:27.800 physically beat them up up front. Russell Wilson took a 0:08:27.920 --> 0:08:30.800 beating in that game. And so they were coming off 0:08:30.800 --> 0:08:34.760 a game where they were just trying to protect Russell Wilson. 0:08:34.880 --> 0:08:38.200 Brian Schottenheimer, the defensive coordinator, you know, has done a 0:08:38.240 --> 0:08:41.320 really nice job. Early in the season, they really weren't 0:08:41.360 --> 0:08:45.080 on the same page. You know, they just weren't uh 0:08:45.120 --> 0:08:49.560 you know, uh Bevil the dere Bevil, the the former 0:08:49.640 --> 0:08:53.920 OC there. He he was had a really a good 0:08:54.000 --> 0:08:56.920 rapport with Russell Wilson, and then Brian Schottenheimer came and 0:08:56.920 --> 0:08:59.760 they just really couldn't get things going early, you know, 0:09:00.160 --> 0:09:03.840 took a loss very early in the seat, a couple 0:09:03.840 --> 0:09:06.240 of losses and then the Bears loss. You know that 0:09:06.280 --> 0:09:10.240 there was a lot of question marks about about their 0:09:10.320 --> 0:09:12.800 team and could they protect, could they run the ball? 0:09:13.080 --> 0:09:15.679 They were dealing with some injuries there, you know, but 0:09:15.720 --> 0:09:18.720 they've they've really right righted the ship when it comes 0:09:18.800 --> 0:09:20.720 now to what they've doing that I mean, running the 0:09:20.760 --> 0:09:24.280 football is next to the Cowboys, that's probably the most 0:09:24.280 --> 0:09:27.120 important team, you know, as far as team in the league. 0:09:27.240 --> 0:09:29.480 Is a running game and how it makes a difference 0:09:29.480 --> 0:09:34.240 for how they play offense. They had thirty eight rushing 0:09:34.280 --> 0:09:37.280 attempts in their first two games, lost both games, right, 0:09:37.800 --> 0:09:39.679 and then they decided, our identity is going to be 0:09:39.760 --> 0:09:43.360 running the football, right, and they've almost averaged that per 0:09:43.400 --> 0:09:46.600 game and over thirty five carries in the last fourteen games. 0:09:46.600 --> 0:09:50.439 And what's interesting about their offense is some people might 0:09:50.440 --> 0:09:52.800 say it's kind of archaic. You know, you run first 0:09:53.280 --> 0:09:55.400 this league, but you know, They're putting up almost twenty 0:09:55.400 --> 0:09:58.480 seven points a game with that, and they use it 0:09:58.920 --> 0:10:01.040 to build the big play off of it because Russell 0:10:01.080 --> 0:10:02.640 Wilson is always a threat to do that. And that's 0:10:02.679 --> 0:10:05.360 kind of what happened in the first game. No questions, Run, run, run, 0:10:05.520 --> 0:10:07.199 and all of a sudden you take a deep shot 0:10:07.240 --> 0:10:09.120 to lock it down the field. Right, He's had a 0:10:09.120 --> 0:10:10.880 great season for that. I mean, they ran at thirty 0:10:10.960 --> 0:10:13.760 nine times against the Cowboys for one hundred and eighteen yards, 0:10:13.760 --> 0:10:16.080 so they didn't even average four yards to carry. But 0:10:16.120 --> 0:10:20.120 they were persistent, got it done and caused the Cowboys 0:10:20.240 --> 0:10:22.800 some problems. And I don't know if the running caused 0:10:22.800 --> 0:10:27.720 those two touchdown passes that were busted coverage fucking a 0:10:27.800 --> 0:10:31.280 young secondary, uh and they and they blew a couple 0:10:31.280 --> 0:10:33.840 of coverages. You know, this team kind of mirrors what 0:10:33.840 --> 0:10:36.840 the Cowboys did because they were after nine games sitting 0:10:36.840 --> 0:10:40.360 there at four and five. Right. Yeah, they've had oh no, 0:10:40.440 --> 0:10:42.880 they've won some they've won some games. You probably think 0:10:42.960 --> 0:10:45.880 now the fact they got Kansas City at home, that 0:10:45.880 --> 0:10:48.079 that helps, you know, I mean that played when they 0:10:48.080 --> 0:10:51.079 play at that place, it's it's we all know that, 0:10:51.200 --> 0:10:53.120 we all know what it's like to go up there 0:10:53.480 --> 0:10:56.000 and have to deal with all that, and especially in 0:10:56.000 --> 0:10:58.920 the playoffs, my gosh, it's just not a it's not 0:10:59.040 --> 0:11:00.720 a great environment to have to go up there and 0:11:00.720 --> 0:11:03.760 try and win a game at So, yeah, the teams 0:11:03.760 --> 0:11:06.280 are very mirrored in the way that they've they rely 0:11:06.400 --> 0:11:08.480 on the run, they try and play. I mean, you 0:11:08.720 --> 0:11:11.400 could go player for player here. You know, they've got 0:11:11.400 --> 0:11:14.320 a pass rusher. You've got a pass rusher. Now you've 0:11:14.360 --> 0:11:16.400 you've they've got a quarterback that's probably a little bit 0:11:16.400 --> 0:11:18.920 better than your quarterback. Your runner is better than their runner. 0:11:19.240 --> 0:11:22.600 You know, you start going offensive lineman that without you know, 0:11:22.640 --> 0:11:25.160 without Travis Frederick being in there, you know, I mean, 0:11:25.160 --> 0:11:28.320 you could probably go lineman for lyneman and it'd be 0:11:28.320 --> 0:11:30.480 pretty pretty even. I was going to ask you kind 0:11:30.520 --> 0:11:34.320 of where the matchups are waged, Yeah, in these two teams. 0:11:34.400 --> 0:11:37.160 Yes see, that's where, like I say, I think that 0:11:37.280 --> 0:11:40.880 there's the concern that we've always had about the ball 0:11:40.960 --> 0:11:44.880 going down the field with you know, against this Cowboys secondary. 0:11:45.000 --> 0:11:47.760 Can the Cowboys secondary you know, the one big play 0:11:47.800 --> 0:11:49.680 the bust that Mick was talking about. You and I 0:11:49.720 --> 0:11:52.320 watched it, Rob, remember it was it was a Cavon 0:11:52.480 --> 0:11:54.720 Frazier was in the game at the time, and he 0:11:54.840 --> 0:11:58.080 got he got sucked up inside and then it allowed 0:11:58.120 --> 0:12:02.080 that hole for Wilson to throw the ball right in there. 0:12:02.200 --> 0:12:05.800 So yeah, I mean they can't. They haven't given up 0:12:05.840 --> 0:12:08.120 big plays. That's the one thing. I mean, even the 0:12:08.200 --> 0:12:10.320 day the game the other day, we thought the ball 0:12:10.400 --> 0:12:11.800 was going to go down the field. The plays the 0:12:11.840 --> 0:12:15.319 guys made were incredible one handed catches, but some of 0:12:15.360 --> 0:12:17.040 them that were too far. I mean, they were in 0:12:17.120 --> 0:12:19.600 good coverage. I just think you have to worry about 0:12:19.600 --> 0:12:22.760 the run, the run, the play action, the run, the run, 0:12:22.800 --> 0:12:25.040 and then the deep shot because they'll lay you to 0:12:25.080 --> 0:12:26.800 sleep with that and all of a sudden the ball 0:12:26.880 --> 0:12:28.800 go flying down the field on you, and you got 0:12:28.800 --> 0:12:32.880 to be ready to run with Lockett and Doug Baldwin 0:12:33.000 --> 0:12:35.760 and more and those guys, because those guys have the 0:12:35.800 --> 0:12:37.600 ability to get down the field and make plays. And 0:12:37.640 --> 0:12:39.920 that's what happened when they beat Kansas City. Yeah, it 0:12:40.080 --> 0:12:42.240 was a bunch of deep throws down the field that 0:12:42.280 --> 0:12:46.360 they made these highlight catches against. Yeah, you wouldn't say, 0:12:46.400 --> 0:12:50.480 okay that that ball's thrown away and Baldwin goes up 0:12:50.520 --> 0:12:52.920 and grabs the ball absolutely against the Chiefs and they 0:12:53.000 --> 0:12:56.400 ended up scoring thirty eight points against the Chiefs. So yeah, 0:12:56.440 --> 0:12:59.120 they won six of their last seven. The Cowboys won 0:12:59.160 --> 0:13:02.760 seven of their last state So, um, it's it's it's 0:13:02.760 --> 0:13:06.160 gonna be a neat collision. By the way, Yeah, you 0:13:06.280 --> 0:13:10.040 mentioned the young secondary with this team, where do you 0:13:10.080 --> 0:13:13.600 think they've grown? Maybe since that game, I think they've 0:13:13.640 --> 0:13:19.280 made fewer busted coverage mistakes. For one, I think they've 0:13:19.440 --> 0:13:22.560 attacked the ball a lot better. Remember when they played 0:13:22.600 --> 0:13:27.240 that game, Xavier Woods was playing his starting his third game. 0:13:27.440 --> 0:13:31.480 Yeah that's you know, and think about he missed the 0:13:31.520 --> 0:13:33.600 first two games of the season. So was that that 0:13:33.640 --> 0:13:36.760 was his debut? Yeah, oh that's right, Yeah that was 0:13:36.800 --> 0:13:40.320 his first one. So think about that. Um, think about 0:13:40.760 --> 0:13:43.880 Byron Jones. That was just his third at corner since 0:13:43.880 --> 0:13:48.040 his rookie year. Uh. Remember Xavier Wood, I'm not would 0:13:48.120 --> 0:13:51.439 chitabe Owoozier. You know he only had started like four 0:13:51.480 --> 0:13:55.080 games last year. Sure, now he's at corner. Uh. And 0:13:55.320 --> 0:13:58.040 what happened that Frazier had did he get hurt for 0:13:58.080 --> 0:13:59.880 a while Frazier had to go in It was I 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:02.760 think there was like a collision that if I remember correct, 0:14:02.760 --> 0:14:04.680 there was a collision that Heath had to go out 0:14:04.679 --> 0:14:06.760 of the game for that. Yeah, I got nicked up. 0:14:06.800 --> 0:14:09.520 They're a player too. Yeah, and that's why Frasier Frasier 0:14:09.520 --> 0:14:12.040 winning the game, right, was in there, so yeah, that 0:14:12.200 --> 0:14:16.240 was that was That was a pretty young secondary out 0:14:16.280 --> 0:14:21.160 there and Antoine Woods playing in the middle, right, and 0:14:21.200 --> 0:14:23.840 he hadn't played that much in the NFL prior to 0:14:23.960 --> 0:14:27.120 those games. So yeah, this this team kind of grew. Right, 0:14:27.800 --> 0:14:30.600 he's playing football for the first time in two years. 0:14:30.800 --> 0:14:33.360 Remember Layton Vanderish as well that you know. I mean, 0:14:33.400 --> 0:14:35.880 Sean Lee was in there for you know, he was 0:14:35.920 --> 0:14:39.040 the starter along and Jalen Smith. You know, joh don't 0:14:39.040 --> 0:14:41.800 think Jalen Smith was completely healthy. I think it's the 0:14:41.920 --> 0:14:46.240 season's gone along that he's become more confident, become more healthy, 0:14:46.280 --> 0:14:49.040 and you know that's so Yeah, this is really a 0:14:49.040 --> 0:14:52.400 different deep It's different from the Seattle's perspective of how 0:14:52.400 --> 0:14:54.480 they're playing. I mean, they're gonna have no Earl Thomas 0:14:54.960 --> 0:14:58.240 in this game. You know, Brad Bradley McDougall has done 0:14:58.240 --> 0:15:00.720 a pretty nice job. You know, Tom Mpson has done 0:15:00.720 --> 0:15:03.360 a nice job for them as far as uh, you know, 0:15:03.480 --> 0:15:05.920 they've they've kind of had to. They're getting him back. 0:15:06.000 --> 0:15:08.600 He's been nicked up a little bit, but overall, I 0:15:08.600 --> 0:15:10.960 mean the safety play has been good, the corner play 0:15:11.000 --> 0:15:13.080 has been good for him too, And they've got two 0:15:13.080 --> 0:15:15.400 really good linebackers, you know. When you talk about Bobby 0:15:15.440 --> 0:15:18.880 Wagner and kJ Wright, I mean, it's like the Cowboys again. 0:15:18.960 --> 0:15:22.960 You could go player for player and say, okay, wash 0:15:23.120 --> 0:15:26.400 wash wash, Okay, they got an advantage. Okay, you've got 0:15:26.440 --> 0:15:29.640 an advantage. It's a very The team is very very 0:15:29.640 --> 0:15:32.880 Both teams are very similar. I think if you looked overall, 0:15:32.920 --> 0:15:36.000 you would say, I'll take the Dallas's defensive line, the 0:15:36.080 --> 0:15:41.360 front four over what Seattle has. But you know, linebackers, 0:15:41.400 --> 0:15:43.600 you could say, wow, okay, like I said, is it 0:15:44.400 --> 0:15:47.000 did you take Jalen Smith? Did you take vander esh 0:15:47.160 --> 0:15:51.480 over Wagner and Wright? You know, I mean, it's it's 0:15:51.480 --> 0:15:54.920 a it's you know, maybe the Seattle secondary. When you 0:15:54.920 --> 0:15:58.920 think about the Griffin and Flowers playing corner, Okay, well, 0:15:59.040 --> 0:16:01.080 is that a good matchup? Would you take a Woozier 0:16:01.280 --> 0:16:04.040 in Jones? I mean, you obviously would take Jones, But 0:16:04.760 --> 0:16:06.680 there's a side of me that says that Griffin is 0:16:06.760 --> 0:16:09.600 just as good as a Woozier and Flowers. You know 0:16:09.720 --> 0:16:12.320 that might be a wash right there. So it is, 0:16:12.400 --> 0:16:14.600 it's it's it's as even as you're gonna get in 0:16:14.640 --> 0:16:16.920 a matchup for two teams in the playoffs. And while 0:16:16.920 --> 0:16:20.360 they've got it looks like Thompson's coming back, they're putting 0:16:20.440 --> 0:16:22.480 Delane o' hill, who had Deck in his spot on 0:16:22.600 --> 0:16:25.960 IR Yeah so, and by golly, they don't have the 0:16:26.080 --> 0:16:29.000 NFC Offensive Player of the Week on their team either. No, 0:16:29.080 --> 0:16:31.840 they don't. Mick Who is that? Uh some guy named 0:16:31.840 --> 0:16:35.560 Blake Jarwin. It's incredible. I think it's numbers eighty nine. 0:16:36.280 --> 0:16:39.400 I'll guarantee you when Seattle starts looking at film, they're 0:16:39.400 --> 0:16:43.480 gonna know eighty nine, but they're not gonna know his name. Well, 0:16:43.520 --> 0:16:47.400 I looked up I watched back the first game yesterday, 0:16:47.440 --> 0:16:51.640 and I looked up his snap count at Seattle twelve 0:16:51.800 --> 0:16:54.240 place one target and it was at the end. It 0:16:54.280 --> 0:16:57.760 was the juggle play where we looked at it and 0:16:57.840 --> 0:17:00.240 they really didn't have a chance at it, and Earl 0:17:00.280 --> 0:17:02.640 Thomas got that pick and sealed the game and bowed 0:17:02.640 --> 0:17:05.000 to the crowd, and uh yeah, all of a sudden. 0:17:05.840 --> 0:17:08.240 Maybe it's a new dimension for the Cowboys, maybe especially 0:17:08.240 --> 0:17:11.400 in the red zone. Maybe it's another guy that defenses 0:17:11.440 --> 0:17:14.080 have to think about down there. Well. If not, yeah, 0:17:14.200 --> 0:17:16.800 they're gonna have to practice for it. They're gonna have 0:17:16.840 --> 0:17:19.400 to spend some time. We're about the tight end this week. 0:17:19.440 --> 0:17:22.920 We're not play cover two down there. Yeah, that can 0:17:23.000 --> 0:17:27.040 get lost. Yeah in cover two, Yeah, he's he's he's 0:17:27.080 --> 0:17:28.679 done it. You know. But I was talking about, you 0:17:28.720 --> 0:17:31.200 know what he was in Cover two and I can't 0:17:31.200 --> 0:17:33.680 remember which of the three touch he had so many touchdowns, 0:17:33.680 --> 0:17:38.919 I can't He had the one where he veered away 0:17:39.359 --> 0:17:42.120 where the coverage was and he found the open spot right, 0:17:42.560 --> 0:17:45.560 and it was like, huh, look at that. Yeah, So 0:17:45.920 --> 0:17:47.760 we we found out that he had to go back 0:17:47.760 --> 0:17:50.399 to Billy Joe Duprie for the last tight end to 0:17:50.560 --> 0:17:54.320 catch three touchdown passes in a game. I wonder if 0:17:54.320 --> 0:17:59.760 they've ever had an undrafted rookie. Well, not, he's a 0:17:59.760 --> 0:18:03.040 first to your player, but an undrafted guy catched three 0:18:03.119 --> 0:18:05.840 touchdowns like that as a tight I guess probably not 0:18:05.920 --> 0:18:07.720 as a tight end, right, Not as a tight end, 0:18:07.760 --> 0:18:09.320 because if you have to go back to Billy Joe 0:18:09.400 --> 0:18:14.360 dupri that's seventy three. Yeah, Michigan State Rights, Michigan State. Yeah. 0:18:14.400 --> 0:18:17.720 I was thinking to me, it's it's it's a great 0:18:17.840 --> 0:18:21.040 it's a great story. You know, us visit. Somebody was 0:18:21.240 --> 0:18:23.680 on their way home, stopped by, was in our area 0:18:23.680 --> 0:18:25.840 and guy stopped by his talking. We were talmabout the 0:18:25.880 --> 0:18:28.880 tight end play and he goes, you know, he goes, 0:18:28.880 --> 0:18:31.000 it's funny about Jarwen. He goes, there's a lot of 0:18:31.000 --> 0:18:34.639 times where Jarwin has been open. He has been open, 0:18:34.840 --> 0:18:38.040 and they just there's been no confidence in getting him 0:18:38.080 --> 0:18:40.800 the ball. There's that that know that you know, none 0:18:40.800 --> 0:18:43.320 of that. But he but he's made some plays the 0:18:43.400 --> 0:18:46.639 last couple of weeks and now it's kind of like, Okay, 0:18:46.680 --> 0:18:49.080 throw him the ball, you know, throw him the ball, 0:18:49.080 --> 0:18:52.960 allow him to do some things that he's capable of doing. 0:18:53.000 --> 0:18:56.119 And the guy was like, you know, its just he 0:18:56.280 --> 0:18:58.480 was open. I've been watching him. He's been getting open, 0:18:59.119 --> 0:19:02.360 but it's just you know, we're just not seeing him 0:19:02.440 --> 0:19:04.320 the results of him getting up. It's a little bit 0:19:04.359 --> 0:19:07.479 like Cole Beasley. You see Cole Beasley get open, they 0:19:07.480 --> 0:19:09.720 just don't throw him the ball, you know, And that 0:19:09.800 --> 0:19:12.960 happens to some guys. I mean, I got a discussion 0:19:12.960 --> 0:19:15.480 with the guy yesterday about Amari Cooper, and I'm thinking, 0:19:15.720 --> 0:19:17.920 how different would have Mariy Cooper's game been if they'd 0:19:18.000 --> 0:19:21.240 hit the two slugos right and two touchdowns, he would 0:19:21.240 --> 0:19:23.520 have had over or he'd had over one hundred yards 0:19:23.600 --> 0:19:26.640 in receptions. But the narrative is that his production has dropped. Yeah, 0:19:26.680 --> 0:19:28.520 he would have had he would had seven catches, two 0:19:28.600 --> 0:19:30.959 touchdowns and one hundred yards and we would all said, oh, 0:19:31.080 --> 0:19:34.160 Mary Cooper's back. But you know, sometimes you run really 0:19:34.200 --> 0:19:36.679 good routes and the quarterback doesn't find you, or he 0:19:36.720 --> 0:19:39.000 misses you, or you know that these are these are 0:19:39.040 --> 0:19:41.399 things when we start to say, Okay, what's wrong with 0:19:41.440 --> 0:19:43.720 this guy? Maybe, I say with Blake Jarwin, now it's 0:19:43.720 --> 0:19:46.560 maybe it's maybe there is that confidence that, Okay, I 0:19:46.560 --> 0:19:48.320 could throw it to him down the middle of the field, 0:19:48.359 --> 0:19:49.840 he's going to make a play. Yeah, because he's doing 0:19:49.840 --> 0:19:52.720 a better job of finishing plays himself. Yeah. Absolutely, he'd 0:19:52.880 --> 0:19:57.040 dropping onto the ball, yeah, drops yeah, or not getting 0:19:57.160 --> 0:20:00.239 hit and having the ball come out yeah yeah. And 0:20:00.280 --> 0:20:02.840 a little bit of that narrative on him not getting 0:20:02.840 --> 0:20:05.600 the ball thrown to him. I can't remember which it 0:20:05.680 --> 0:20:08.520 was one of the last two games. Three games, Kurt 0:20:08.600 --> 0:20:13.879 Warner did a diagram deal and showed how he was 0:20:13.920 --> 0:20:17.080 opened across the middle and Dak chose to go underneath. 0:20:17.560 --> 0:20:20.560 And it's like, okay, that's easy. When you're watching the 0:20:20.640 --> 0:20:23.160 All twenty two, right, you don't know what the quarterback 0:20:23.240 --> 0:20:25.879 sees and what he was expecting. But I'll tell you what. 0:20:25.960 --> 0:20:28.840 On those deep balls to Cooper, Yeah, it doesn't matter 0:20:28.880 --> 0:20:31.879 that they didn't hit because Seattle's got to look at 0:20:31.920 --> 0:20:35.240 that and go, Okay, we can't take the chance that 0:20:35.280 --> 0:20:38.399