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Speaker 1: for Shades of the Afterlife with Sandra Schamplain, Well, welcome

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Speaker 1: matter for yourself. Hi, I'm Sandra Champlain. For almost twenty

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Speaker 1: five years, I've been on a journey to prove the

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Speaker 1: existence of life after death. On each episode, will discuss

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Speaker 1: the reasons we now know that our loved ones have

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Speaker 1: survived physical depth and so will we Welcome to Shades

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Speaker 1: of the Afterlife. Do you find that we human beings

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Speaker 1: often just concentrate on how things are today for us

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Speaker 1: and what we're doing and what we're busy with, and

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Speaker 1: we don't consider how we really got here. Look around,

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Speaker 1: whether you're driving in your car or you're sitting in

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Speaker 1: your house, Everything that you see has been made by

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Speaker 1: other people's hands. Each one of these people has their

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Speaker 1: own story, and many of them probably are long gone.

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Speaker 1: And the same holds true for mediumship and afterlife research.

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Speaker 1: And although you're listening to me and I'm sharing the

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Speaker 1: best of what I know, I haven't really spoke about

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Speaker 1: the people that have made it all possible for us.

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Speaker 1: Our guest is Martin tw Cross, who was just recently

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Speaker 1: featured on episode eighty nine when he shared his story

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Speaker 1: of being a skeptic an atheist. Now he's a long

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Speaker 1: time medium teaching the science behind how mediumship works and

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Speaker 1: is an expert on some of the great mediums of

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Speaker 1: the past. And I'd love for you to hear about

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Speaker 1: some kinds of mediumship that you may not be aware of,

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Speaker 1: and five special mediums of the past who are very

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Speaker 1: much responsible for what we have today. And if you

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Speaker 1: enjoy hearing about the great pioneers, you can certainly check

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Speaker 1: out Martin's website, which is Martin Twicross dot com and

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Speaker 1: just look under courses and you'll see the great mediums

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Speaker 1: different kinds of mediumship that we have today. Yes, I'm

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Speaker 1: It's where we when we're doing private sittings and we're

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Speaker 1: spirit to demonstrate that they survive. So it's bringing through

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Speaker 1: survival evidence to demonstrate that our loved ones are still

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Speaker 1: around and still care about its. Generally, we bring evidence,

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Speaker 1: still is the Bible. I won't strow it straight away

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Speaker 1: from the teachings because he's done all the groundwork, He's

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Speaker 1: created them, he's made it all accessible for us. He

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Speaker 1: gave us so much quality teaching. We don't really need

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Speaker 1: to reinvent the wheel. These guys have done the groundwork,

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Speaker 1: they've created our foundations. But for me, if we can

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Speaker 1: honor them, there are the true ambassadors of our movement.

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Speaker 1: They are the giants of our movement upon whose shoulders

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Speaker 1: all of us never stand. And if we can honor

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Speaker 1: them and keep their memories alive, then that I think

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Speaker 1: is a wonderful thing. And that's really what inspires me

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Speaker 1: to certainly with Gordon, to keep the website going, to

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Speaker 1: keep putting lectures out of him in the public domain,

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Speaker 1: to put all the footage I could find of him demonstrating,

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Speaker 1: and the public domain. Sadly, with the stell Roberts and

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Speaker 1: Helen Hughes, because of the the time they were demonstrating,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot less material available. It's very few recordings.

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Speaker 1: I'm aware of one I think of a stell Roberts,

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Speaker 1: but and similarly, there's only one recording I'm aware of

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Speaker 1: of Silver Birch through Maurice Barbonnel, and again very little

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Speaker 1: of Harry Edwards. There's there are a few did record,

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Speaker 1: a few tapes and a few records which are still available.

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Speaker 1: But if again, if we can keep their memory alive,

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Speaker 1: if we can keep their words alive, if we can

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Speaker 1: keep what they fought so hard to achieve alive, and

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Speaker 1: that for me, every one of them fought for the

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Speaker 1: standards of mediumship. Every one of them fought to bring

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Speaker 1: forward quality mediumship and quality, healing, quality, trans quality physical.

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Speaker 1: And really we owe them a service now to make

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Speaker 1: sure that, in this day and age, that what people

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Speaker 1: are demonstrating is still of the same caliber and quality.

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Speaker 1: And if we can do that through talking about how

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Speaker 1: they developed, how they worked, if we can pull forward

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Speaker 1: the teachings we can take from their stories, then I

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Speaker 1: think it's a wonderful thing so that's that's kind of

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Speaker 1: a little bit of the reason why I'm passionate about

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Speaker 1: the course, and we'll be back. You're listening to Shades

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Speaker 1: of the Afterlife on the I Heart Radio and Coast

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Speaker 1: to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades

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Speaker 1: of the Afterlife. I'm Sanders Champlain and we are with

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Speaker 1: Martin Twycross talking about the great mediums of the past.

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Speaker 1: And I really feel that it only takes one person

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Speaker 1: to make a difference. And you look at these magnificent

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Speaker 1: people and they were humble down to earth and they

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Speaker 1: made a huge difference. You know. One of the reasons

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Speaker 1: I'm so passionate about this show and sharing good mediumship

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Speaker 1: is because I never knew. I never knew how good

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Speaker 1: mediumship could be. You know, I was happy if a

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Speaker 1: medium said I've got your grandmother here and I've got

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Speaker 1: an m name. You know, well, that's not good enough.

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Speaker 1: Really to bring through specifics and feel the love of

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Speaker 1: the spirit world, that's what's important. And I mean, could

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Speaker 1: you imagine fifty years from now if people were really

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Speaker 1: trained properly and spent the years needed to hone their

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Speaker 1: skills as opposed to some of these crash courses and

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Speaker 1: in mediumship. Could you just imagine how fascinating that would be. Definitely.

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Speaker 1: You know, something silver Birch always said is that if

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Speaker 1: we can touch one soul with our spiritual work, then

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Speaker 1: it's been a value. If our life touches just one person,

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Speaker 1: touches the soul of one person, that life was a value.

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Speaker 1: And for me, when I looked at researching and Harry Edwards,

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Speaker 1: I went through all of his early books and his story,

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Speaker 1: his books on the evidence for for healing that he generated,

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Speaker 1: and he speaks about how many patients he was given

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Speaker 1: healing to at the time, and how many patients he

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Speaker 1: was given absent healing too. And I calculated over the

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Speaker 1: course of his lifetime that he gave healing to over

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Speaker 1: one million people. Oh my goodness. And that's one million

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Speaker 1: souls we can touch with a life. And he didn't

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Speaker 1: actually start healing till he was in his forties. It

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Speaker 1: wasn't as if he started age twenty. So you know,

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Speaker 1: if you know, if anyone's coming to this work and

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Speaker 1: they're thinking, well, you know, I wish i'd come to

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Speaker 1: get young, but I'm too old for it. Now, You're

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Speaker 1: never too old you're never too old, and there's always

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Speaker 1: a soul you can touch. Each one of us in

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Speaker 1: our own way, can touch souls. Each one of us

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Speaker 1: in our own way, can help people. And you know

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Speaker 1: many of these mediums. Harry Edwards was known for his healing,

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Speaker 1: but he also did a trans circle and he did

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Speaker 1: it every week and he was a fabulous trans medium.

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Speaker 1: And funny enough, his friend Jack Weber I mentioned earlier

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Speaker 1: on when he passed, Harrod was inherited his guide. His

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Speaker 1: guide transferred over Harry Edwards, the same guide because he

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Speaker 1: sat in circle with Harry Edwards for so long while

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Speaker 1: Harry was investigating the phenomena. Harry, it was was like

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Speaker 1: a friend to him. And then when Jack Webber passed,

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Speaker 1: this guy decided to continue his work with Harry Edwards,

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Speaker 1: which is fascinating. I find that kind of thing fascinating,

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Speaker 1: a really extraordinary and I love digging out these little

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Speaker 1: snippets of what some people say is useless information, but

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Speaker 1: I consider amazing information. Martin, would you tell the story

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Speaker 1: how Maurice Barbarnell first sat because I think it's fascinating

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Speaker 1: because for people that don't know the words and teachings

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Speaker 1: of Silver Birch are like none other. They're so profound,

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Speaker 1: so inspiring, all about living, life, death, all of it.

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Speaker 1: And when I read some of the words of silver Birch,

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Speaker 1: I get the goose bumps flooded within me, like this

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Speaker 1: is the words of the truth, a real source of

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Speaker 1: real power. Maurice Barbonell, he is from a Jewish faith,

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Speaker 1: and Maurice Barbanell was very skeptical, and he was invited

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Speaker 1: write an article about some mediumship. And he said, well,

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Speaker 1: I don't really feel qualified to talk to write on that,

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Speaker 1: and I want to go and see your medium work

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Speaker 1: first so I understand what it's about. So he went

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Speaker 1: along to watch the medium work, and I read different stories,

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Speaker 1: one which said it was on the first time he went,

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Speaker 1: and others which said it was on the second time

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Speaker 1: he went. But on the second time or the first time,

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Speaker 1: whichever is true. He himself thought he fell asleep and

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Speaker 1: when he when he came around, they said wow, and

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Speaker 1: it's what do you mean wow? And it's like a

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Speaker 1: guide that's has been speaking through and you've been in trance.

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Speaker 1: And so he then realized that that potential, that ability

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Speaker 1: was inherent within himself, and it caused him to investigate

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Speaker 1: it a great deal more. And that's kind of my

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Speaker 1: memory of it. I hope that's the memory you've got.

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Speaker 1: That is exactly the memory. And that's what I find

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Speaker 1: so interesting is here's someone who just was interested and

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Speaker 1: went to check it out, and out of them, you know,

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Speaker 1: these profound words came. So it's so easy, I think,

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Speaker 1: for any of us human beings to think, you know,

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Speaker 1: who are we, you know, who's gonna listen to us

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Speaker 1: or whatever. But once you start asking questions and you

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Speaker 1: start digging into some of the things that interest you,

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Speaker 1: and just be amazed what opens up, you know. And

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Speaker 1: there's there's that story. There's parallels with Harry Edwards, and

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Speaker 1: there's parallels with Gordon Higginson, and there's parallels with the

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Speaker 1: stell Roberts as to how each of them. With the

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Speaker 1: stell Roberts, she went to Hampton All Spirituous Church for

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Speaker 1: the first time and she was told you are a medium.

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Speaker 1: And she's like, She's like me, going, yeah right, And

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Speaker 1: she went the second week and the medium came to

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Speaker 1: her and said you are a medium and she was like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: all right, that's the second time. The third week she went,

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Speaker 1: medium came to her and said, you are a medium.

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Speaker 1: But then so she's chat with this medium, and the

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Speaker 1: medium says, go and sit at home and see what developed.

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Speaker 1: So for one week she said, I'll sit at home

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Speaker 1: for one week with the table and we'll see if

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Speaker 1: anything happens. And at the end of that week, if

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Speaker 1: nothing happens, and I'm that I'm not going to bother

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Speaker 1: anymore with it. So she shat every night with the table.

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Speaker 1: Nothing happened, and in disgust, on the final day she thought,

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Speaker 1: well that's it no more. I won't bother with this anymore.

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Speaker 1: She walked out of the room and the table followed her,

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Speaker 1: nudging her in the back, and it was a great, big,

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Speaker 1: heavy table, and she heard in her mind the words

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Speaker 1: came in her mind, I am Red Cloud. No need

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Speaker 1: for table. I can talk to you in your mind,

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Speaker 1: no need for table. And so the fascinating and Harry

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Speaker 1: Edwards I believe, went to sit went to a circle

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Speaker 1: and he went into trance. And he so he actually

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Speaker 1: didn't go along to be the medium, but he went

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Speaker 1: into trance. First time Gordon Higginson did trance. It wasn't

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Speaker 1: expected he went to a church was working, was doing

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Speaker 1: the demonstration. The person who was the speaker, because he

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Speaker 1: had a separate speaker and demonstrator in those days. The

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Speaker 1: speaker hadn't turned up and they asked him to do

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Speaker 1: the speaking and he said, well, I'm not really the speaker.

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Speaker 1: I don't really do that, but I'll have a try.

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Speaker 1: And then he says, I remember waking up and I thought,

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Speaker 1: oh my god, I've fallen asleep, and no, there's been

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Speaker 1: no speaker. And they said it was fabulous and he said,

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Speaker 1: well I was asleep and said no, no, no, you're

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Speaker 1: in trance and the guides and that was very first

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Speaker 1: ever trance was took place without him knowing who's happening.

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Speaker 1: So it happened. So if that happened to Gordon, to

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Speaker 1: Harry Edwards and to Maurice Barbanell, that they all went

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Speaker 1: into trance unexpectedly, that's great telling that story. It's just

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Speaker 1: like these things are possible and more. It's it's great, Martin.

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Speaker 1: How do people find out about your course, Well, they

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Speaker 1: can find out about it in many ways. It is

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Speaker 1: available on my website which is www. Martin twice cross

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Speaker 1: dot com, which is a new website. It's also available

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Speaker 1: in my store, which is Martin twice Cross Products dot

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Speaker 1: co dot uk. And if you're on Facebook and you

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Speaker 1: know me on Facebook, you'll see it on my profile there.

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Speaker 1: And you know, for me, I like to create teachings

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Speaker 1: that people can always access. So I I'm a big,

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Speaker 1: very big believer in that if we can create something

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Speaker 1: that's always there for people, it's a really profound thing

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Speaker 1: to do something that we call evergreen content. It's always there.

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Speaker 1: And that's why, you know, people say to me, why

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Speaker 1: do you bother with the video? Why did you bother

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Speaker 1: with a study program where it's recorded? Why don't we

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Speaker 1: all do it in real time? And for me, I'd

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Speaker 1: rather record it, record it well, and then it's there

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Speaker 1: and we can all get the benefit. And that's kind

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Speaker 1: of been my mentality of trying to create things that

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Speaker 1: people can access, because I'm very passionate about keeping these

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Speaker 1: teachings available. Well, that's how I found out about you

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Speaker 1: in the first place. I was searching mediumship on YouTube

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Speaker 1: and there was this guy teaching. I'm like, who's this guy?

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Speaker 1: And I went to your website and I ended up

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Speaker 1: purchasing your course, and then we became friends on Facebook,

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Speaker 1: and then you know, here we are, and even though

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Speaker 1: we haven't face to face the flesh, I mean, we're friends.

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Speaker 1: And I feel very great about you know, sharing what

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Speaker 1: it is you're up to, because like all the people's faces,

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Speaker 1: you just show no big egos, all about service and

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Speaker 1: that's who you are, you know, really about making a difference.

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Speaker 1: And I think you've got the same way, you know,

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Speaker 1: and that's thinking why people listen and tune in and

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Speaker 1: are inspired because we're just I think we're waking up

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Speaker 1: that divine spark and everybody you know that this life

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Speaker 1: isn't all there is, there's much bigger purpose. And yet

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Speaker 1: if our loved ones don't die and they're still around,

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Speaker 1: you know, who are we and what is our life for?

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Speaker 1: And being able to empower people in the now, connect

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Speaker 1: with our own divinity and live the best life ever?

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Speaker 1: What a gift that is. Absolutely. Absolutely I'm really a

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Speaker 1: big fan of all those mediums and all those workers

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Speaker 1: for spirits, and even those people who don't come to

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Speaker 1: themselves spirit workers, but who go down and touch souls

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Speaker 1: who are effectively doing the work of spirit, whether they

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Speaker 1: wish to put that label on it or not, there's

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Speaker 1: so many people out there who have that humility, who

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Speaker 1: are giving their lives in service, and they're not always

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Speaker 1: the ones who beat their own drums. They're not always

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Speaker 1: the ones who are. And I know a great many

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Speaker 1: people within this movement who offer such fabulous quality teachings,

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Speaker 1: who offer fabulous things, and so many of us, myself included,

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Speaker 1: have a problem with promoting ourselves and marketing ourselves, are

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Speaker 1: telling the world about ourselves because that speaks of ego,

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Speaker 1: and we all don't really want ego. We want to

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Speaker 1: have that humility. We really want our work to speak

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Speaker 1: for itself. But if people don't know we exist, it

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Speaker 1: becomes a challenge. And somebody gave me a little talking

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Speaker 1: to a while ago and said, really, you know, we

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Speaker 1: have to promote ourselves a bit. We have to put

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Speaker 1: ourselves out there. People have to know that what we

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Speaker 1: offer exists, because if they don't, the world can't find

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Speaker 1: out about As we live in a very much a

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Speaker 1: technology lead age where the Internet, Facebook, social media, YouTube

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Speaker 1: is a wash with information, but it can be very

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Speaker 1: hard for people to sift through the stuff to find

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Speaker 1: out the quality. The golden nuggets are often buried, or

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Speaker 1: the people producing the golden nuggets. They don't to bang

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Speaker 1: their own drum. And the people who do want to

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Speaker 1: bang their own drum aren't necessarily producing quality content, but

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Speaker 1: they're the ones who are capturing the audience. And for me,

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Speaker 1: you know, these great mediums of old, none of them

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Speaker 1: bang their own drum. They all worked with a great

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Speaker 1: deal of humility. They all worked from a position of service,

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Speaker 1: They all worked from a position of love for spirit.

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Speaker 1: These are the core factors, you know. Gordon Higginson, when

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Speaker 1: he passed, they opened his desk draw and they found

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Speaker 1: a whole draw full of checks given to him from

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Speaker 1: churches for his expenses that he never cashed. And he

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Speaker 1: was offered, he was offered thousands of pounds, which was

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Speaker 1: a lot in those days, to do readings with famous people,

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Speaker 1: and he refused because he recognized, at at the end

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Speaker 1: of the day money shouldn't be able to buy it.

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Speaker 1: He would rather do for a reading for someone who

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Speaker 1: had a genuine need, for a little old lady who

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Speaker 1: couldn't pay for it, who had a genuine need, than

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Speaker 1: for somebody who wanted to see him out as being

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Speaker 1: the best. And so all of the mediums in the

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Speaker 1: past they have bring that humility. They bring that passion

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Speaker 1: and that love and that service to spirit and that's

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Speaker 1: what it's all about. And really, I hope you'll have

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Speaker 1: a lot of modern pioneers who are bringing forward that

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Speaker 1: same passion, that same love. And I can't you in

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Speaker 1: this as well, Sandra as well, because you are one

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Speaker 1: of our modern pioneers. Martin, You're sweet for that. Thank

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Speaker 1: you so much, And the music tells us it's time

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Speaker 1: to take a break. We'll be back in just a second.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the I

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Speaker 1: Heart Radio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain.

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Speaker 1: We've got a couple of special things coming up in

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Speaker 1: this segment, so don't go anywhere. Martin. I want to

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Speaker 1: really thank you for calling me a pioneer. I do

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Speaker 1: the best I can and I just want to help

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Speaker 1: people have a better life, get through grief and know

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Speaker 1: their loved ones are around. You know your radio show

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00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 1: is fabulous and what it does to reach out to

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Speaker 1: people and touch people, and you know you give us

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Speaker 1: all this for free. It's amazing. It really is. By myself,

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Speaker 1: I know how much time, effort, and money it takes

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Speaker 1: to create things for Gordon Higginson. I built a website,

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Speaker 1: I I got numerous recordings transferred off rails to be made.

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Speaker 1: I spent. I won't tell you how much my own

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Speaker 1: money I spent, but I don't think I would ever

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Speaker 1: see it back. Put it that way. Now we do.

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Speaker 1: We do it for love, and it doesn't really matter.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. I know that Gordon is happy that

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Speaker 1: this his memory is being kept alive. It's come through

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Speaker 1: readings to me people who don't even know what I've done.

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Speaker 1: And I know that the mediums in the spirit world

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Speaker 1: appreciate what we do, and the spirit world want us

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Speaker 1: to be giving in service. And the spirit always say

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Speaker 1: that whatever we do, as long as we work from

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Speaker 1: the heart, as long as we do it from the

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Speaker 1: right place, we always have enough. We might never be rich,

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Speaker 1: we might never get what we want, but we always

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Speaker 1: have enough. We'll always be looked after. And I truly

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Speaker 1: believe that. And some of you may know that I

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Speaker 1: post a lot of Facebook quotes. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: you've ever seen those quotes since my timeline, and what

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Speaker 1: I have done actually is compile them all on my

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Speaker 1: website Martin twicecross dot com. For those of you who

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Speaker 1: are not on Facebook, you can see some of them.

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Speaker 1: But some of these words are the words that comes

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Speaker 1: through my guides in trance, and I just make a

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Speaker 1: little quote out of them, and I just see it

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Speaker 1: in a moment and ask for some inspiration to bring forward.

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Speaker 1: And my favor everyone is actually written over there, and

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Speaker 1: She'll just grab it a second and tell you I'm

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Speaker 1: not gonna be different. There it says to serve spirit

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Speaker 1: as a sacred calling. It is service in its purest form.

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Speaker 1: When you serve from love, when you serve from the heart. No,

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Speaker 1: your needs will always be met, you will never go without.

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Speaker 1: You may not have all you want, but you you

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Speaker 1: will have all you need. And those were words that

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Speaker 1: were spoken to me by my guide through a medium

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Speaker 1: in trans pretty much verbatim. They were given to me

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Speaker 1: when I first started my journey in about two thousand

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Speaker 1: and three, almost verbatim, and then they came through me

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Speaker 1: in trance almost and I matched them up. And the

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Speaker 1: language isn't purely exact, but the content and the words

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Speaker 1: were almost the same. And you'll see that within the

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Speaker 1: Teachings of Silver Birch. It's almost I found later I

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Speaker 1: found some words within that was almost identical as well,

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Speaker 1: and those ideas, those themes keep recurring. Work from love,

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Speaker 1: work from service, work from passion. Passion is fabulous. If

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Speaker 1: we tap our passions and we make our passion available

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Speaker 1: to the world, we can't go wrong. I know that's

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Speaker 1: what you do, Sandra, not so. I think your your

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Speaker 1: show is wonderful. I'm a big fan. Thank you very much, Martin.

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Speaker 1: We would like to play something for you right now,

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Speaker 1: and it's a two minute clip just so you can

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Speaker 1: hear a few words from Gordon Higginson. But I'd love

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Speaker 1: it if you go to Gordon Higginson dot CEO dot uk.

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Speaker 1: It's a free site with loads of videos and audios,

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Speaker 1: and Martin's also put many of them on YouTube as well,

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Speaker 1: if you just search for Gordon Higginson. The thing is

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Speaker 1: the invisible and the real thing then is the mind.

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Speaker 1: That's the real thing. You can't see it, and yet

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Speaker 1: it exists. You see you can. You can go to

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Speaker 1: a brain operations see the brain opened up, but you

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Speaker 1: can't find the mind. The mind is something you cannot

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Speaker 1: destroy because you can't see it. You can't touch it,

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Speaker 1: yet it exists, and it's this that communicates with us

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Speaker 1: from another world. Do you know what heaven is like?

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Speaker 1: Of course, what is it like? It's very similar to

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Speaker 1: this one. It has houses, it has gardens, it has trees,

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Speaker 1: it has everything you have in this world. If two

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Speaker 1: persons love each other at r instance Lama and Juliet,

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Speaker 1: will they come together again in the next world. One

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Speaker 1: of the great things that never dies is love. You

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Speaker 1: can't kill love. Love is an attraction. And if two

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Speaker 1: people love one another, one dies, the other one will die.

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Speaker 1: They will meet in another world. What will their physical

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Speaker 1: appearances be? Will they be able to try shoes? Quite similar,

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Speaker 1: except we go younger, we reach always the age of maturity.

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Speaker 1: Do the only human beings experienced this? Or what happens

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Speaker 1: to animals, to the leaves, to fishes? And it all

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Speaker 1: survives death that you see? Nothing dies, but it should

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Speaker 1: be an enormous big world is How can you define space?

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Speaker 1: How can you define time? What we have to do

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Speaker 1: is to realize that there are so many things yet

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Speaker 1: we have to learn and spiritualism and psychic science is

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Speaker 1: the only way that we shall find the truth of life.

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Speaker 1: That is a fifty year old recording, So I apologize

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Speaker 1: that the sound isn't great. But next, I'd like to

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Speaker 1: play for you a recording that I made from some

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Speaker 1: words of Silver Birch, which were spoken through the trance

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Speaker 1: mediumship of Maurice Barbonnel. I got permission from the Spiritual

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Speaker 1: Truth Foundation dot org, which houses all of silver Birch's words.

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Speaker 1: Check it out. Now see what you think about these

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Speaker 1: words compared to what Gordon Higginson said, one day after death,

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Speaker 1: you will be the same individual as you were one

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Speaker 1: day before it, except that you will have discarded your

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Speaker 1: physical body. You will express yourself through your etheric body,

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Speaker 1: which is a replica of the physical one. It does not, however,

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Speaker 1: reproduce any of its imperfections. All disease and infirmities will

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Speaker 1: be left behind. The deaf will hear, the dumb will speak,

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Speaker 1: the blind will see, the cripple will be a cripple

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Speaker 1: no longer. You must try and understand that life in

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Speaker 1: the spirit world is not dreamy or nebulous. It is

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Speaker 1: full of activity. It is just as real as the

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Speaker 1: life each one of us lives here. We are customed

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Speaker 1: to think of the material world as being real and solid,

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Speaker 1: although actually This is not so, as the science of

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Speaker 1: physics proves. The things of the mind or the spirit

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Speaker 1: seem to us shadowy and vague, But to those who

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Speaker 1: live on the other side, the mental is the real

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Speaker 1: and the physical is the shadow. This doubtless will be

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Speaker 1: hard for you to grasp, but you will find a

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Speaker 1: perfect analogy. If you think of your dreams. When you dream,

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Speaker 1: all the things that you encounter are real at the

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Speaker 1: time of their happening. They only become dreams when you

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Speaker 1: wake up. If you never woke up, and dreaming was

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Speaker 1: the perpetual state of your existence, then that state would

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Speaker 1: become your reality. The spirit world is round and about us.

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Speaker 1: Some people see it and hear it because they can

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Speaker 1: tune into its vibrations. It is not situated in some

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Speaker 1: far off continent. It is part of the universe, blending

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Speaker 1: and intermingling with the physical world. You must dismiss from

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Speaker 1: your mind the old fashioned theological idea that after death

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Speaker 1: there is an undisturbed eternal sleep. There may be at

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Speaker 1: first a short time of rest to enable the newly

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Speaker 1: arrived spirit to adjust himself to this new life. This

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Speaker 1: usually takes a little time. Then he meets those who

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Speaker 1: have preceded him. Families are reunited, old associate aitions are reestablished,

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Speaker 1: friendships are renewed. I know the question you will ask

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Speaker 1: is how will I be able to recognize those who

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Speaker 1: have gone before? This is not a real difficulty. They

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Speaker 1: will know you, having watched over you and kept in

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Speaker 1: constant touch with you. Then, because the spirit world is

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Speaker 1: a place where thought is the reality, they will be

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Speaker 1: able to show themselves to you as you knew them.

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Speaker 1: There is, however, one great factor always operating in the

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Speaker 1: spirit world, the unalterable law of attraction. Only those of

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Speaker 1: like spiritual qualities can meet on the same plane in

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Speaker 1: the new life. The husband and wife, who are only

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00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 1: held together on earth by a legal tie, and between

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Speaker 1: whom no real love existed, will not be together in

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Speaker 1: spirit life. Sometimes people are puzzled because they learned that

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Speaker 1: there are houses on the other side. You must remember, though,

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Speaker 1: these are not houses made of bricks and mortar, but

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Speaker 1: constructed out of thought. This applies also to the clothing

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Speaker 1: name is Sandra Champlain and I want to thank you

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