1 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:07,920 Speaker 1: Ruby. 2 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 2: Hi, I'm Rick Schwartz, and unfortunately there's no Marco when today, 3 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:16,279 Speaker 2: but this is still Amazing Wildlife where we explore unique 4 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:19,280 Speaker 2: stories of wildlife from around the world and uncovered fascinating 5 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:22,639 Speaker 2: animal facts. This podcast is in partnership with iHeartRadio's Ruby 6 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:26,440 Speaker 2: Studio and San Diego Zoo Wildlife Alliance, in international nonprofit 7 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:29,639 Speaker 2: conservation organization which oversees the San Diego Zoo and of 8 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:32,200 Speaker 2: course this amazing place, the San Diego Zoo Safari Park. 9 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:36,240 Speaker 2: And before we get too far into don't worry, Marco 10 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 2: will be back next episode. He's on vacation right now. 11 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 2: But as I say, the show must go on. So 12 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:43,279 Speaker 2: as you may remember our listeners or viewers, if you're 13 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 2: watching last week or last episode, we covered the thick 14 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 2: billed parrots and Marko was very excited, of course, because 15 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:50,520 Speaker 2: it's all about birds. That's his thing, and he's even 16 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 2: more excited that this episode is about birds two so 17 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 2: I kind of feel bad that he's not here, but 18 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 2: also I get to get a word in now because 19 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:59,280 Speaker 2: he's not here talking about birds. So with that said, 20 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 2: we're covering California condors this time. It is an amazing 21 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:06,120 Speaker 2: story of success in conservation, but also similar to we've 22 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:08,399 Speaker 2: talked about before with our pandas the need for the 23 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 2: conservation to continue. And I could sit here and talk 24 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:13,479 Speaker 2: all about it, but as always, we have a specialist 25 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:15,960 Speaker 2: with us. Nora, go ahead and introduce yourself to the audience. 26 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:17,680 Speaker 2: Let them know who you are, what your title is, 27 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:18,760 Speaker 2: and what you do. Sure. 28 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 3: So, my name is Nora Willis. 29 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:22,760 Speaker 1: I'm a senior wildlife care specialist here at the San 30 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 1: Diego Zusafari Park. I work in the bird department and 31 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:28,120 Speaker 1: right now I am the primary wildlife care specialist for 32 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:29,399 Speaker 1: the condoor breeding area. 33 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 2: Wow. So you know you kind of old a little thing 34 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 2: or two about California condorevers few things. The cool thing 35 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 2: is I have a core memory of the National Geographic 36 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 2: that came out in the eighties. Yes, I'm that old 37 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 2: that when the program first got started, and that Geo 38 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 2: covered a big thing. Back then. It was only a magazine, 39 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 2: but it was a very awesome, reputable magazine and the 40 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 2: stories are so in depth. And I remember that cover photo, 41 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 2: the profile of the condo. It was just so impactful 42 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 2: to see that bird, Especially where I grew up in 43 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 2: the Northwest, we didn't have that kind of wildlife that 44 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 2: looked like that. And again without social media back then, 45 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 2: we didn't really have a strong idea of what these 46 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 2: birds were about. So I would love to pick your 47 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 2: brain today about the program, a little bit of history 48 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 2: on it, how it's evolved over time, and then end 49 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 2: up maybe with where we are today, if that's all right. 50 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, So. 51 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 2: To start off with in the eighties, what happened. 52 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 3: So back in the. 53 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 1: Early eighties, there were only twenty two condors left in 54 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:24,519 Speaker 1: the entire world, so we were down to dangerously low populations. 55 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:27,639 Speaker 1: So the decision was made to bring those remaining twenty 56 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 1: two into manage care to start a breeding program. Okay, 57 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:33,080 Speaker 1: once all of them were brought in, it took them 58 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 1: a little while to get everybody think it took them 59 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 1: about five years to get everyone in the managed care 60 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:38,360 Speaker 1: breeding program. 61 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 3: It got started. 62 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:41,640 Speaker 1: We were one of the partners to help start it 63 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:45,360 Speaker 1: along with the Los Angeles sou And since then, it's 64 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 1: been a while since the start of the program, but 65 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:51,119 Speaker 1: we are now looking at a total of around five 66 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 1: hundred and sixty individuals, both in the wild and in 67 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 1: the managed care breeding program. 68 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:58,240 Speaker 2: And similar to our story we covered with Pandas where 69 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 2: we talked about it took forty years pan is to 70 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 2: come off the endangered species list and doesn't mean that 71 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 2: we're done doing conservation form, just means it's working for sure. 72 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 2: The idea that there were twenty two individuals twenty two 73 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 2: California condors left alive on the planet. Now fast forward 74 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 2: forty years ish and now we're over five hundred of 75 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:18,799 Speaker 2: that number of five hundred, how many are back in 76 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 2: the wild. 77 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 1: It's more than half, so at all, over three hundred 78 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 1: flying in the wild right now. 79 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:25,240 Speaker 2: That's awesome, Yes, and I think it's important to bring 80 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 2: up too, especially for a younger audience who may not 81 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:30,360 Speaker 2: understand what was going on back in the eighties. Why 82 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 2: were there only twenty two left? What were the challenges 83 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 2: they were facing versus what are we doing now to 84 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 2: mitigate those challenges? So those three hundred that are out 85 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 2: there or almost three hundred can have the success of 86 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 2: staying out there and making their own young. 87 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 1: Absolutely, the biggest thing is human impact, right you know, 88 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 1: they're very susceptible to lead poisoning from lead ammunition used. 89 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 1: Hunters will leave things behind from whatever they shoot, and 90 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 1: then condors will clean it. Up for them, and unfortunately 91 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 1: things will be contaminated. 92 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 3: With lead if they use lead ammunition with that too. 93 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 2: I think it's important for people to understand that. You know, humans, 94 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 2: if we were to consume something that's toxic, it might 95 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:07,120 Speaker 2: make us a little sick, but our body can process 96 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 2: it out usually, but that's not the case with birds. 97 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 3: Correct Yeah, birds is a little different. 98 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 1: You know, they're a little more sensitive to toxins like 99 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 1: that and condors. They can handle a lot of different 100 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:20,280 Speaker 1: things since they are scavengers they eat only dead things, 101 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 1: so they can handle a lot of disease, bacteria, toxins 102 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 1: in their system because they have such an acidic stomach. 103 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 1: But unfortunately, lead is one of those things that's really 104 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:32,279 Speaker 1: really dangerous and can build up in their system and 105 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:33,280 Speaker 1: cause a lot of problems. 106 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:35,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the key, if I remember correctly, and same 107 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 2: with the bald eagles had the ddt issue. In osprey 108 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 2: and other birds, it was because their body couldn't process 109 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:42,719 Speaker 2: it and eliminate it out, so it would build up 110 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:45,359 Speaker 2: and eventually become to the point where it is the 111 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:47,360 Speaker 2: first couple of times it's not going to be something 112 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:49,280 Speaker 2: that would kill them, but eventually it gets to the 113 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 2: point where they expire early essentially, because that build up. 114 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:55,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, it'll let over time, it'll build up. It'll cause 115 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 1: kidney problems, it could cause neurological problems, and a lot 116 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 1: of times, unfortunately, by the time we noticed something's wrong, 117 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:04,039 Speaker 1: it can be too late, right, right. So the big 118 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:06,600 Speaker 1: thing that the biologists do out in the wild is 119 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:09,479 Speaker 1: they monitor the populations very closely, and every once in 120 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:12,279 Speaker 1: a while they'll do a big trapping event and they'll 121 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 1: catch up the birds and they'll get blood samples from 122 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 1: them to test their levels of lead in their blood 123 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:18,920 Speaker 1: to see if they're doing okay and if they need 124 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 1: treatment right right. 125 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:21,919 Speaker 2: And I do want to bring up too, because I 126 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 2: think way back in the day, it was this whole 127 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:26,679 Speaker 2: idea like, oh, you know, don't try and tell hunters 128 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 2: what to do, it's you know, whatever. But I also 129 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 2: remember too, there was a big movement within the hunting 130 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 2: community where they voluntarily said we will no longer use 131 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 2: lead ammunition because most hunters appreciate wildlife, they appreciate being 132 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 2: out in nature, and they don't want to inadvertently damage wildlife. 133 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 2: And yes, they're hunting, but the bigger picture and a 134 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 2: lot of them chose to make those changes and it 135 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 2: has made a difference absolutely. And there was also if 136 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 2: I remember correctly, because I remember seeing images of the 137 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:56,239 Speaker 2: power cables being an issue as well because of their wingspan. 138 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 2: Can you talk a little bit about that. 139 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, so caundurs are so big. You know, a bird 140 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 1: lands on a power line or anything like that. They're 141 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 1: so small that it doesn't really impact them that much 142 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:06,359 Speaker 1: because they're. 143 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:07,719 Speaker 3: Not more than one wire. 144 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 1: But with condor, since they're so big, it can cause electrocution. 145 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:14,160 Speaker 1: But it was a really big problem initially. And then 146 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:16,679 Speaker 1: what we started doing here in the managed care breeding 147 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 1: program is we started making mock power poles and we 148 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 1: would put what we call a little hot wire on it, 149 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:24,840 Speaker 1: which you would just give them a little zapp, just 150 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 1: a little thing to tell them, ooh, I don't like that. 151 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 1: I don't want to land on that anymore. So it 152 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:32,280 Speaker 1: would get them to think ahead, like, oh, I know 153 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:33,720 Speaker 1: what that does, so I'm not going. 154 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 2: To land there. Yeah, you think about it. You're a 155 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 2: big giant sawing b I mean, what's their wingspan on. 156 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:39,920 Speaker 1: Average, almost nine and a half feet nine and a 157 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:40,360 Speaker 1: half feet. 158 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 2: You're out there soaring around, You're like it's been a 159 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:43,600 Speaker 2: long day, but I want to be able to keep 160 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 2: a eye on things. Oh look, there's a perfect perch right, 161 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 2: There's a big stick in the tea, So they're going 162 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 2: to try and land on that. Or they do land 163 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 2: on that and then that nine and a half foot wingspan, 164 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 2: they can end up possibly touching either side and get 165 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 2: full electrocution. The hot wire shock trains them. These are 166 00:06:58,000 --> 00:06:59,720 Speaker 2: not places you want to perch. This is a no 167 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:00,839 Speaker 2: no and auchi whatever. 168 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:01,840 Speaker 3: You want to call it, exactly. 169 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 2: So part of that too, I think that idea that 170 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 2: we had to train them since they were bred, since 171 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 2: they were hatched in the managed care, they've never had 172 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 2: experiences in the wild. What other things do we have 173 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 2: to train the condors so they understand how to be 174 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 2: a condoor or do we do it on our own? 175 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 2: Do other entities may be come into play here as well. 176 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 2: I think you know what I meantioning. 177 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, So what we do is all of our condoor 178 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 1: chicks are treated as release candidates, which means we don't 179 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 1: allow them to see us, they don't hear us, anything 180 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 1: like that. We don't want them to get too used 181 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 1: to humans, being comfortable approaching humans. 182 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 3: That can be dangerous for them. 183 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 1: You know, we want them to avoid human areas as 184 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 1: much as possible, so the only time they ever see 185 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 1: us is during something like an exam or something that 186 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 1: they would see as a negative thing, so that they're like, okay, people, 187 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 1: it's like the moth powerful, I'm not going anywhere near away. 188 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 3: So we do that as well. 189 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 1: They spend about a year at our pre release pen 190 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 1: with a mentor, so she kind of shows them the 191 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 1: ropes a little bit, so they learned exactly. They learn 192 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 1: a lot from mom and Dad those first six months 193 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 1: that they're with them, and then our mentor takes over 194 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 1: and she kind of shows them the ropes before they 195 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 1: go out to the release pens. 196 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 2: So when they go to the release or reintroduction area, 197 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 2: does a mentor go with them, or is there a 198 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 2: mentor there or there are other birds in the areage 199 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 2: show them sort of the lay of the land for 200 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 2: lack of a better tell. 201 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 1: A lot of times sometimes they'll have a bird in 202 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 1: the pen waiting for them, or they get a lot 203 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 1: of wild visitors. 204 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:30,239 Speaker 3: You know, condors in general are very nosy birds. 205 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 1: They want to know what's going on, so they got 206 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 1: to come check out the new arrivals, but our mentor 207 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 1: stays here and then she gets ready for the next 208 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 1: patch of chicks coming up. A teacher going through this 209 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 1: exactly exactly, she does a great job. 210 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:44,319 Speaker 2: I really felt that that's important to mention because I 211 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:45,719 Speaker 2: think a lot of people think, oh, you just take 212 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 2: an animal, you put it back out in the wild, 213 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:49,080 Speaker 2: they'll be fine. We found, and by we I mean 214 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:51,559 Speaker 2: actually the predecessors to our work, those who started the 215 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:55,320 Speaker 2: program learned through trial and era and through experience of 216 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:59,199 Speaker 2: other introduction processes that you can't just put them out 217 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:01,959 Speaker 2: there process of we have to train them things to avoid. 218 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 2: We have to give a mentor bird because in the 219 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 2: wild they'd have mentors as well. So once they do 220 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 2: get to that reintroduction or release space, they have the 221 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 2: confidence and knowledge to go be a condor in the wild. 222 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 2: Which exactly. Now, fast forwarding through time, back in the 223 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 2: eighties and nineties, we're breeding. We have our partnerships throughout 224 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 2: the nation, we have the federal governments helping out as well. 225 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 2: We all recognize it as an important bird to have around. 226 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:26,559 Speaker 2: Now we have birds in the wild, Are they having 227 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 2: babies of their own? 228 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 1: Eventually they are, Yeah, so I mean that's kind of 229 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:33,439 Speaker 1: the ultimate sign of success for a conservation project, you know, 230 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 1: as we want to see release candidates being released out 231 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 1: to the wild, forming a pair bond with a mate, 232 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 1: and then eventually having their own chicks and raising them. 233 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:45,839 Speaker 1: And it's incredible to see the mentor that we have. Actually, 234 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:48,720 Speaker 1: I was talking about one of her chicks was raising 235 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 1: a bird out in the wild. 236 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:52,080 Speaker 3: It was Eva. I don't know if you remember her story. 237 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 1: She was rescued from a nest during the Dolan fire 238 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 1: back in twenty twenty, so she was brought to the 239 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:02,440 Speaker 1: Los Angeles Zo actually had lead poisoning, so they treated 240 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:04,680 Speaker 1: her for that and they ended up holding her back 241 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:06,320 Speaker 1: for the managed care breeding program. 242 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 3: But it was just really cool for a little while. 243 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:10,440 Speaker 3: Eva and it was Mollaco. 244 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 1: We're on exhibit together, so it was grandmother and granddaughter 245 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:17,199 Speaker 1: and her son is still out in the wild, hopefully 246 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 1: producing more chicks. 247 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 3: So it's really cool to see. 248 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 2: It's so cool too that we have taken the time 249 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 2: to get to know these words like Molecla. I recognize 250 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 2: that name, you know, and I'm not nearly as involved 251 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 2: in the program as you are, but just the history 252 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 2: and we do know that history because we had to 253 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 2: bring the last twenty two ins. So from that time 254 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 2: forward we know everybody. And it wasn't just a matter 255 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 2: of like, okay, let's bring them in and pair them off. 256 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 2: Boy girl, boy girl. Back in our lab, they did 257 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 2: a lot of genetic work. They wanted a full genetic 258 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:45,199 Speaker 2: backgrounds to see who's related to doing that DNA testing 259 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:48,080 Speaker 2: and everything else. It was such an important step in 260 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 2: conservation and that's being applied elsewhere as far as understanding things. 261 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 2: But one thing that sometimes I think we in the 262 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 2: job we have at the San Diegoo Wildlfe Alliance, well 263 00:10:58,120 --> 00:10:59,440 Speaker 2: it's a no brain or why we have to do 264 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 2: the work we do. But I want to hear from you. 265 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 2: So our audience has also the opportunity to explain to 266 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:07,080 Speaker 2: others if someone asks them, who cares why California condors? 267 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 2: Doesn't matter if they're going extinct anyways on their own, 268 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:11,680 Speaker 2: which they weren't. We know it was human impact, but 269 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 2: that's often we hear that, like O, if they're going 270 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:15,200 Speaker 2: to go extinct, why bother? Why spend all this time 271 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 2: and effort into trying to save them? So I'd love 272 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:19,560 Speaker 2: to hear from you Nora, What would you tell a 273 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:21,559 Speaker 2: ten year old who said, Nora, why should we bother 274 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 2: saving California condors. 275 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 1: So condors are what's known as a keystone species, so 276 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:31,200 Speaker 1: they're incredibly crucial to maintaining the health of their ecosystem. So, 277 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 1: like I was saying before, you know, their stomachs are 278 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:37,319 Speaker 1: incredibly acidic, which means that they can get rid of disease, 279 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 1: bacteria and toxins in the environment that other animals and 280 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:44,199 Speaker 1: even us can't handle. So they're kind of like nature's 281 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 1: clean up crew. They do a good job of making 282 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 1: sure that there isn't a lot out in the environment 283 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 1: that can be harmful to the rest of the ecosystem. 284 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:55,320 Speaker 1: And they're also really important to other scavengers. You know, 285 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 1: Condors are big birds. They're big birds with big, very 286 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 1: sharp beaks. They can rip into some pretty tough hides 287 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 1: and that's really really beneficial to other scavengers that can't 288 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 1: necessarily do that. So they're kind of creating a meal 289 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 1: for other scavengers. 290 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 2: Up the market exactly. 291 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 3: But once they're done, then. 292 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:17,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, right right exactly, we got to fill up, then 293 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:20,319 Speaker 2: we'll let absolutely and then to go further into it too. 294 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 2: I think you had mentioned the disease issues and all that, 295 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 2: And that's why I've always loved doing talks about vultures 296 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 2: in general, because we don't usually see that problem because 297 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 2: the scavengers do exist. But you can imagine. I always 298 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:33,840 Speaker 2: like to tell kids, imagine if like you take your 299 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:36,720 Speaker 2: trash out to the curb, but the trash truck never 300 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 2: shows up, and the next week you take your trash 301 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:39,959 Speaker 2: out there, and the next week and all of a sudden, 302 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:42,440 Speaker 2: people who are living down from you, if it rains, 303 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 2: that slug's going to go down there, that bacteria is 304 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 2: going to go down there, and whoever's up above you, 305 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 2: and so also it becomes a really big problem. It 306 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:51,080 Speaker 2: builds up over time. You notice them when they're not there, 307 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 2: and when you are there, like I don't get it, why. 308 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 1: Exactly, yeah, and when they're not there, yeah exactly. 309 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 2: It's such an important role and the work we do 310 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 2: is so important before we go into where we're heading 311 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 2: where things are now, Like, I know you have some 312 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 2: numbers about how many birds we have here the successes 313 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 2: we've had for hatching this year, which is phenomenal numbers. 314 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 2: But one thing that we often see on social media 315 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 2: is a picture of a turkey culture and someone says, 316 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:18,559 Speaker 2: I saw a condor in my backyard, and you and 317 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:21,079 Speaker 2: I can tell on site what species it is or 318 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 2: is not, just because for us it's obvious, we know 319 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:26,960 Speaker 2: what one thing? Would you tell the average here in 320 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:30,080 Speaker 2: the Southwest, we potentially could see a California condor. They 321 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 2: do reside north of Los Angeles in the foothills there. 322 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 2: They're in Arizona. They glide for long distance. Is it 323 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:39,719 Speaker 2: potentially possible. What's the one thing someone should look for 324 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 2: to go yep, just a California condor. 325 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:43,679 Speaker 1: So the biggest thing you can look for is that 326 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 1: wing tag. So every single condor that's released has a 327 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:49,840 Speaker 1: wing tag on both wings with GPS transmitters on them, 328 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 1: so that the biologists can keep an eye on where 329 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 1: everybody is and you know, help intervene if there's an issue. 330 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 1: So the wing tags are a huge giveaway right off 331 00:13:57,840 --> 00:13:59,959 Speaker 1: the bat. And they're big and because they're a big bird, 332 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:04,320 Speaker 1: but they're big tags, big wings. You know, Turkey vultures 333 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:06,840 Speaker 1: when they're soaring, they look pretty big too, their wingspans 334 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 1: about six feet. But once you see a condor up 335 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 1: there soaring, there's no comparison. 336 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:13,199 Speaker 2: Well, and I can say too, even for myself. Sometimes 337 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 2: it's hard to judge the size of a bird when 338 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 2: it's soaring in the air because you don't have the 339 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 2: knowledge of distance necessarily. Yeah, you know, you can see 340 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 2: there's really big turkey vulture and like, oh my gosh, 341 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 2: it's huge. And they can be big. There's some big 342 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 2: girls out there, you know, those those mama birds can 343 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 2: carrying the eggs, they get big. But yes, the wing 344 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 2: tag is obviously the quickest and easiest one. 345 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 1: Ye. 346 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 2: And then of course then size. It's like saying that 347 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 2: mini van versus a full size school bus. You know, 348 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 2: it's that's big, but that's really big exactly. 349 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 3: Yeah. 350 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 1: It's always fun to see people get excited when they 351 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 1: absolutely California condor and I hate bursting their bubble almost. 352 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 3: Like, well, Turkey vultures are cool too. 353 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 2: It's like, it's not a condor, but turkey cultures are 354 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 2: so awesome. 355 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 3: Exactly, but keep your eyes out. Yeah, yeah, exactly, it's 356 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 3: very cool. 357 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 2: Okay, So I have to ask, because we've talked now 358 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 2: about the history why it was started with the numbers, 359 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 2: you know where we are now today with the numbers 360 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:03,960 Speaker 2: overall this particular spot though here at the Safari Park, 361 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 2: for the longest time we did have our breeding population. 362 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 2: Only we many years ago then opened up our public 363 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:12,239 Speaker 2: area where there are some birds that won't be reintroduced 364 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 2: to the wild that are available for the public to 365 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 2: get to see, which is a great habitat. I love 366 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 2: that space. So let's start with that space. When our 367 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 2: public comes up to the Condor Ridge area of the 368 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 2: Safari Park and they get to the end of that 369 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 2: nice long path, there's that habitat. How many birds do 370 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 2: we currently have in there? 371 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 3: So right now we have four birds in there. 372 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 1: We have two adults and we have one sub adult 373 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 1: so she's around five years old, so almost to maturity, okay, and. 374 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 3: We have one juvenile who's two. Yeah. 375 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 1: So the two younger ones were raised as release candidates, 376 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 1: but the program decided to hold them back for the 377 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 1: managed care breeding program because of their valuable genetics. Okay, 378 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 1: So their families aren't as well represented, so they wanted 379 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 1: to keep them for the program. 380 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 2: Okay, So once they mature up here in the public area, 381 00:15:56,880 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 2: they'll go to the breeding program, okay. And then the 382 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 2: other what's their story? Why aren't they going to be reintroduced. 383 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 1: So these two birds were a part of the breeding 384 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 1: program for a long time. So one of them is Takuya, 385 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 1: who has a pretty famous story. She was the second 386 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 1: chick to hatch from a wild laid egg in the 387 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 1: program back in nineteen eighty three. So she's been in 388 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 1: the managed care breeding program since the beginning essentially. 389 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 3: So she's very used to people, very used. 390 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 2: To people, so not going out. 391 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 3: There, very nosy and wants to be in your business. 392 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 1: And her sister, Squawpoony, is the other bird out on 393 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 1: exhibit and she hatched a year later and same story. 394 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 1: You know, she's been around people her whole entire life. 395 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 1: But they both have been incredible breeders for the program. 396 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 1: Takuya has produced thirty three chicks I believe in Squawpoon's 397 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 1: produced around twenty. So they're retired from the program now. 398 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:49,960 Speaker 1: They're both very well represented in the program, their family 399 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 1: is very well represented, and they get to enjoy their 400 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 1: retirement out there with people just admiring them. 401 00:16:55,160 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 2: Right people anyway, So we have the four there in 402 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 2: the habitat for the public to come see at Condor 403 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 2: Ridge here at Firebork, but then in an area that 404 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:07,199 Speaker 2: is not for the public. Yes, that I've had the 405 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:09,920 Speaker 2: immense pleasure and luck of being up there multiple times 406 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:12,439 Speaker 2: for filming different things, being able to see behind the scenes, 407 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 2: which up until gosh, almost twenty years of working here, 408 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:19,159 Speaker 2: I never got that opportunity. What's our current population up 409 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 2: there as far as our breeders, and then how many 410 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:23,200 Speaker 2: chicks were hatched this year? 411 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 1: So we have nine breeding pairs of California condors. We 412 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 1: have one pair of Andean condoors up there as well, 413 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:34,119 Speaker 1: who are also contributing to the California Condor recovery programs. 414 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:38,160 Speaker 1: They are actually foster rearing a California condor chicks. 415 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:38,920 Speaker 3: Oh, yes, this year. 416 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:42,919 Speaker 2: So are they fostering because parents weren't taken care of? 417 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:46,920 Speaker 2: Or do we double clutch? We double clutch, so clutch 418 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 2: to find clutch. Yes. 419 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:50,440 Speaker 1: Female condoors will only lay one egg at a time. 420 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 1: It's one of the challenge one per season, right, yes, yeah, 421 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 1: so it's one of the challenges with this program is 422 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 1: that everything with them is so slow, so they'll only 423 00:17:58,119 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 1: lay one egg at a time. 424 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 3: A lot of times in the wild, some eggs. 425 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:03,400 Speaker 1: Will get broken, they'll get lost, so then a female 426 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:06,919 Speaker 1: will recycle in thirty days so what we do is, 427 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 1: once the egg is laid, we let them sit on 428 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:11,159 Speaker 1: it for a couple of days. And typically what we 429 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:13,440 Speaker 1: would do is we would take that egg and pull 430 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 1: it to artificial incubation, and we would incubate that egg 431 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:19,359 Speaker 1: for the whole incubation period, just so we can monitor 432 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 1: its progress, make sure it's developing properly, and then we 433 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 1: would give it back at hatch. And during that incubation 434 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:27,919 Speaker 1: period we would give them a dummy egg or a 435 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 1: fake egg to sit on. 436 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 2: Right that way, they're not going to lose interesting Also, 437 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:33,720 Speaker 2: why this from come out of it. 438 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:34,720 Speaker 3: They are honed in. 439 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:37,119 Speaker 1: They know what's going on, they know exactly what to do, 440 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 1: so they will sit on that the whole incubation period. 441 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 1: If we want a female to double clutch, so if 442 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 1: we want two chicks from her in one season rather 443 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:46,359 Speaker 1: than just one, we won't give them a dummy egg. 444 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:49,879 Speaker 1: After we pull the real egg, and then in about 445 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 1: thirty days or so, she'll recycle and then lay another egg. 446 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 2: Perfect. Yeah, And so then our andy and condo friends 447 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:58,119 Speaker 2: are up there fostering one of the double clutched eggs, 448 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 2: and everyone's happy and it helps a whole program hose. 449 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:01,720 Speaker 3: Everybody doing great. 450 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, the Andean condors are very well represented in their 451 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 1: population here in the SSP, so they didn't want any 452 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 1: more chicks from them, but they're such good parents. We 453 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:14,200 Speaker 1: wanted them to keep doing it and we had the 454 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 1: opportunity to have them raise one of the California condors. 455 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 3: So cool, it was very cool. 456 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 2: That's so cool. So how many chicks were hatched this year? 457 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:24,200 Speaker 3: We had ten chicks this year? Yeah, ten chicks. 458 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:27,720 Speaker 1: We have five boys and five girls, perfect fifty fifth. 459 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 2: How often does that happen? That's crazy, that's never. 460 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, it is incredible. 461 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:35,880 Speaker 2: So you were mentioning before while they were setting everything 462 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:39,120 Speaker 2: up there's a special number, there's somebody who's being celebrated. 463 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:40,760 Speaker 2: And CBS News was out here. 464 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:43,480 Speaker 1: And yes, yeah, So last year we had our two 465 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:46,359 Speaker 1: hundred and fiftieth chick hatch here at the park. 466 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:48,480 Speaker 2: So that's two hundred and fifty here at the supper 467 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 2: part doesn't count our partners La Zoo and other facilities 468 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 2: that are doing this as well. 469 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:53,359 Speaker 3: Just at the sofar. 470 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:54,400 Speaker 2: So awesome. 471 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:56,040 Speaker 3: It is an amazing milestone. 472 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:58,440 Speaker 1: And right now that chick is up at our pre 473 00:19:58,520 --> 00:19:59,880 Speaker 1: release pen with the mentor. 474 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:03,240 Speaker 2: You said attached last year, but this year we're getting 475 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:04,440 Speaker 2: ready to go. Yeah. 476 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, so he in a couple of weeks will be 477 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:10,400 Speaker 1: sent out to Arizona to Vermilion Cliffs to eventually get 478 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:11,159 Speaker 1: released out. 479 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 2: There and going with anybody else or was just a 480 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 2: solo trip. 481 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 1: All ten from last year? Yeah, it's very exactly so cool. 482 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 2: That is so cool. So often people at the Grand 483 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 2: Canyon can see we're. 484 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:21,960 Speaker 3: The best spots. 485 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:24,399 Speaker 1: Really, people can see them really really well there and 486 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:27,120 Speaker 1: they have a big event on public Lands Day when 487 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 1: they actually release some of the birds, and you know, 488 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 1: people will show up from far away with their binoculars 489 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:34,720 Speaker 1: and everything and keep an eye out and watch the release, 490 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:35,679 Speaker 1: and it's really special. 491 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:37,119 Speaker 3: The Peregrine Fund does a great thing. 492 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:37,879 Speaker 2: Have you've ever gone to? 493 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 3: Oh, but I'm going this year. 494 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:42,639 Speaker 2: I hope. I hope fingers crossed for you. I on 495 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 2: an offhand weird experience role that ice chance. I got 496 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 2: to escort a single I think it's a male up 497 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:50,680 Speaker 2: to the release sight up in LA and this is 498 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 2: like twenty ten, I think, yeah, and I'd never I 499 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 2: was like, I have no idea I was getting into 500 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:56,159 Speaker 2: and like you had mentioned the ones that were already 501 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 2: out and about in the wild. Were very curious. Oh yeah, 502 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 2: they came soaring down. When you see them come down 503 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:03,119 Speaker 2: like that, it's just it's so crazy. Femo in the 504 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:05,879 Speaker 2: wild is so amazing. Goose was just talking or condoor 505 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:09,879 Speaker 2: bumps on. But it's so cool. So are there any 506 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:12,160 Speaker 2: other updates we didn't talk about yet for the project 507 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:14,359 Speaker 2: right now in the whole program or do we cover everything? 508 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 2: And we got numbers, We got hatchings. We got number 509 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 2: two fifty going out in the y fifty. 510 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:21,640 Speaker 1: And you know, we had ten more this year, so 511 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 1: we're still doing great. We had a brand new pair 512 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 1: this year here at the Safari car who raised a 513 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:30,879 Speaker 1: chick for their first time. The mallets is yeah, the 514 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 1: male ITTs is first time ever. The female has raised before, 515 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:34,920 Speaker 1: so she kind of knew what they did. 516 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:36,679 Speaker 2: And that's the thing too, right, and male and female 517 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 2: work together. It's a lot of species. Depending on the animal, 518 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 2: it's up to mom. But in case of the condors, 519 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 2: they co incubate. Yep, they co raise. They do all 520 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:47,720 Speaker 2: of it together, do everything. 521 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:50,240 Speaker 1: It's all fifty to fifty for the most part, but yeah, 522 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 1: they do it all together, incubation and and these guys 523 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 1: are terrific parents. It's so much fun to watch them 524 00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:59,680 Speaker 1: and to be able to see We have cameras looking 525 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:01,680 Speaker 1: in and our nextboxes so we can keep an eye 526 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 1: on everything. And seeing them just naturally interact with their 527 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:08,119 Speaker 1: chicks and the chicks with them is just such an 528 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 1: amazing experience. 529 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 2: Here's something came to mind when you said cameras on 530 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:13,640 Speaker 2: the nest, because you know, you see a bald eagle nest, 531 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:16,200 Speaker 2: it's just a giant thicket of branches in the tree, 532 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:18,119 Speaker 2: or an ospray nest at the very top of the 533 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 2: pinnacle part of a tree, or those tiny little hummingbird nests. Yep, 534 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 2: could you explain to our audience what does a condor 535 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:26,119 Speaker 2: nest look like in the wild. 536 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 1: So condors are cavity nesters, so they will find like 537 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:32,879 Speaker 1: a cave on a cliff side to nest in, or 538 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 1: a cavity of a big redwood tree, something that's already 539 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 1: ready for them to move in, so you know, they'll 540 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 1: have sandy kind of substrate on the bottom. They don't 541 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 1: build a nest with sticks or anything like dirt. It's 542 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,399 Speaker 1: just a dirt and you know they'll groom around and 543 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:49,480 Speaker 1: make it look nice and get it ready for the egg. 544 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:52,399 Speaker 1: But yeah, it's a pretty basic nest, Yeah it is. 545 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:54,160 Speaker 2: It's funny because I remember when I first I was like, oh, 546 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 2: that's it. There's no furniture or nothing. Okay. That did 547 00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 2: remind me to you when you said they do dress 548 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:01,080 Speaker 2: it up a little bit sometimes think, oh, sometimes they'll 549 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 2: like bring a bone or something or whatever, especially when 550 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 2: the chick's older to start mouthing on stuff. One thing 551 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:08,640 Speaker 2: that there was also part of our remember reading why 552 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 2: they were having so many challenges in the wild was 553 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:12,439 Speaker 2: a lot of litter, you know, whether it was bottle 554 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 2: lids or way back in the day when cans had 555 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:17,639 Speaker 2: to peel tops. So it's always a good reminder, and 556 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:19,440 Speaker 2: I love to just remind people in general when you're 557 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 2: out and about whether it is just a hike in 558 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:23,440 Speaker 2: your local neighborhood, your local park wherever it may be, 559 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 2: a don't litter and b if you see letter, pick 560 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 2: it up because it really does help wildlife. Animals sometimes 561 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 2: are predispositioned to grab bones or small rocks for digestion purposes, 562 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 2: whatever it might be. But sometimes our litter looks like that. 563 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,119 Speaker 2: Pieces of plastic can look like that, or in the 564 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:41,679 Speaker 2: case of the condors, it was those metal bottle tops 565 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:43,960 Speaker 2: and it can be toxic for them or cause other 566 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,479 Speaker 2: problems because it's not natural where the other stuff they 567 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:49,439 Speaker 2: normally are looking for and think that they're getting. You know, 568 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 2: that's the thing there, So potential reminding on that. Yeah. 569 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 2: Of course, one last thing before we wrap it up. 570 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 2: Actually know I lied to lasses. You had mentioned International 571 00:23:58,280 --> 00:23:59,159 Speaker 2: Vulture Days coming up. 572 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 1: Yes, Internet Sational Vulture Awareness Day is, I believe September 573 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:04,680 Speaker 1: six It's the first Saturday in September. 574 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 2: It's about a week away from when this comes out. 575 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 2: This comes out the Friday before that Friday, so Saturday 576 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:11,399 Speaker 2: the sixth, Yes, So we. 577 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:13,560 Speaker 1: Love to celebrate that here at the Safari Park. We 578 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:15,960 Speaker 1: have amazing vultures here for people to see. So we 579 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 1: have keeper talks all day, either down in the village 580 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:21,360 Speaker 1: or up here at Condor. 581 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 3: Ridge, we have talks all day. 582 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 1: We have tables set up with all of these different 583 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 1: artifacts that people can see and check out. Even if 584 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:30,919 Speaker 1: you're riding the tram, we'll have keepers do talks on 585 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:32,480 Speaker 1: the tram out there. 586 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 2: You can see how that we've got the. 587 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 1: Wagassam Marsh has a bunch of African vultures in there, 588 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 1: and now we have a bunch of. 589 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,119 Speaker 3: Vultures in the old South Stork exhibit. 590 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:42,360 Speaker 1: Nice, so that's been set up for them and they 591 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:43,360 Speaker 1: look amazing out there. 592 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 2: That's great. That's great, and people can learn then why 593 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:47,359 Speaker 2: it's important to have these days, why it's important to 594 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:49,920 Speaker 2: have vulture around kind stuff we've already discussed. So that's 595 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,640 Speaker 2: so cool. I really appreciate. Okay, now before we wrap 596 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 2: it up, we always like to ask our guests. I'm 597 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:59,120 Speaker 2: not crazy. Usually Marko's here, so I say, I am 598 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:01,640 Speaker 2: going to ask you, Wow, how did you get into 599 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 2: this specifically? I mean a lot of times people find 600 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:06,359 Speaker 2: their way in different ways, and we always like to 601 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,679 Speaker 2: share that story with our audience because if there's somebody 602 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:10,439 Speaker 2: out there who's like, you know, I've always wanted to 603 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:12,960 Speaker 2: do that. What's your story? If you don't mind me asking? 604 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:14,960 Speaker 2: That got you here to be one of the top 605 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 2: California condor people here in the Safari Park. 606 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 1: So I got my degree in biology and a lot 607 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:24,280 Speaker 1: of my classes were centered around conservations. So the California 608 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:27,440 Speaker 1: condor story was always prevalent. You know, we always hear 609 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 1: about it, and it was always such an amazing story 610 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 1: to me, and just being an animal lover in general, 611 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:35,920 Speaker 1: a bird lover in particular, I've always loved. 612 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 3: The California condors. I grew up on the East Coast. 613 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,600 Speaker 1: So I didn't get the chance to kind of grow 614 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:43,320 Speaker 1: up in the area of California condors, but I still 615 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:46,960 Speaker 1: had that appreciation from afar. I worked at the Philadelphia 616 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:50,439 Speaker 1: Zoo for a long time working with birds there, and 617 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,359 Speaker 1: the opportunity came up to take a position here in 618 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 1: the bird department. And one of the things that drove 619 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:58,680 Speaker 1: me to come here was this program and the other 620 00:25:58,720 --> 00:25:59,879 Speaker 1: conservation programs that we do. 621 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:02,920 Speaker 3: I was like, if I could just get my foot 622 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:03,359 Speaker 3: in there. 623 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:08,240 Speaker 1: Just about a little bit and anyway, and now you know, 624 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 1: I work on it full time, which is incredible to say. So, 625 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 1: It's been an amazing journey getting here, and I love 626 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:16,520 Speaker 1: every day that I get to work with these birds. 627 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 2: That's so cool. What's your favorite park? Is there like 628 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 2: a favorite part of your day, like you first coming 629 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,639 Speaker 2: in the morning or you're wrapping up. Everyone has their 630 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 2: own sort of moment with the animals they work with. 631 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 2: And it's kind of different for California condos because you 632 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 2: don't want them to get to know you exactly. So 633 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 2: is there a moment or is it maybe the condoors 634 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 2: that are on public habitat that are like all those 635 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 2: are the warm, fuzzy moments. 636 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:36,120 Speaker 1: It's a lot of different things, you know, And it's 637 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:39,679 Speaker 1: almost seasonal because when we have eggs, we get to 638 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 1: do all of that artificial incubation, so we're monitoring the 639 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:46,119 Speaker 1: embryo start to hatch. Then we get to see the 640 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:48,679 Speaker 1: hatching process, and then we get to see the parents 641 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:49,520 Speaker 1: raise the chicks. 642 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 3: Sometimes we're puppet rearing. 643 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 1: We still do puppet rear chicks here at the park 644 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:56,200 Speaker 1: if we have more chicks than we have pairs to raise, 645 00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 1: which is why those andians came and clutched this year. 646 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,440 Speaker 1: They helped us out. So we get to puppet rear birds. 647 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 1: We've been puppet rearing some other species too, and then 648 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:08,359 Speaker 1: just seeing the birds kind of naturally interact with each other, 649 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:10,680 Speaker 1: and like you said, you know we get that one 650 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 1: on one time with the birds on exhibit as well. 651 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:14,920 Speaker 3: You kind of get a whole bunch of different stuf. 652 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:18,280 Speaker 1: So many different things working on this program, and it's 653 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 1: like I said, I love every single day. 654 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:23,520 Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, and just real quick because you mentioned it, 655 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,679 Speaker 2: puppet rearing. Yes, so I know what that is. You 656 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:28,000 Speaker 2: know what that is. We've covered it a lot in 657 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,359 Speaker 2: our media before. But if there's anyone listening who's maybe 658 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:32,960 Speaker 2: not too sure what that means, what is puppet rearing 659 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:34,359 Speaker 2: a bird mean? And why do we do it? 660 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, So we were talking before about how we prepare 661 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:39,720 Speaker 1: release candidates to go out into the wild and to 662 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,639 Speaker 1: be as successful as possible. So one of the things 663 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 1: that we do is, like I said, if we have 664 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,960 Speaker 1: more chicks and we have pairs from double clutching, which 665 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 1: can happen, sometimes we'll end up puppet rearing. So we 666 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:54,160 Speaker 1: actually use a puppet that looks exactly like a condor, 667 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 1: and we use that to raise the chicks. 668 00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:59,200 Speaker 3: So the puppet will feed them and interact with them, 669 00:27:59,280 --> 00:27:59,920 Speaker 3: and you're. 670 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,119 Speaker 2: Kind of blind and they don't see you at all. 671 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,320 Speaker 1: They can't see us that the puppet is mom and dad. 672 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:07,680 Speaker 1: We don't exist one bit. So we'll raise them until 673 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:09,800 Speaker 1: they're about fledged age, and then they'll go out to 674 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:11,879 Speaker 1: the pre release pen with all of the other birds 675 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:15,359 Speaker 1: from that year, the other neighbors exactly, and it always 676 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 1: takes them a little while to get adjusted. 677 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 3: Because they're like, whoa, this is a big world out here. 678 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 1: But they do great and our puppet raised kids have 679 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 1: done fantastic out in the wild. 680 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 2: That's so awesome. Yeah, that's awesome. Thank you for sharing that, 681 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:28,800 Speaker 2: and thank you for your time today. I really appreciate 682 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 2: you coming on the podcast talking about the California Condoor 683 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:32,960 Speaker 2: Program and sharing your passion with everybody. 684 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,080 Speaker 3: No, thank you for having me. This has been such 685 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:35,879 Speaker 3: a treat. I love it. 686 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:40,280 Speaker 2: Awesome. Okay, so this is the part re markus like, 687 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 2: oh wow, I've learned so much. But he's not here, 688 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 2: so maybe he'll listen to this episode and he can 689 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 2: learn so much. I know I learned a lot too, though. 690 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 2: I've got a rich history of this organization. I love 691 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,480 Speaker 2: this program, the California Condor Program, but every time I 692 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 2: get to sit and spend some time with someone who's 693 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 2: actually doing it day in and day out, I always 694 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:57,960 Speaker 2: learn something more. So I really appreciate you nor I 695 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,560 Speaker 2: taking the time to share with us. What I learned 696 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,440 Speaker 2: was ten chicks, five boys, five girls. I learned two 697 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:05,719 Speaker 2: hundred and fifty have hatched here. Well, now, more than 698 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:07,400 Speaker 2: two hundred and fifty have hatched here, but with the 699 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 2: two hundred and fiftieth hatched last year, he's going to 700 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 2: go out in the wild now in just a couple 701 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:14,080 Speaker 2: of weeks. It's such a great program. I hope you 702 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 2: enjoyed learning more about it just as much as I did. 703 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:18,760 Speaker 2: And if you obviously have any other questions, you can 704 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 2: find Mark or myself on social media ask us questions there. 705 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:23,720 Speaker 2: And of course you know, as we go through this 706 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,600 Speaker 2: season where we're doing videos, it's coming up soon. If 707 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:28,520 Speaker 2: you're listening to this on audio, it's coming up soon. 708 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:30,160 Speaker 2: We're gonna open up the YouTube channel and gets to 709 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,520 Speaker 2: see these actual episodes. If you're watching on YouTube, well 710 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 2: you already know that it's happened already, So there's that. 711 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,440 Speaker 2: But coming up, we're going to go explore a little 712 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:41,959 Speaker 2: more with conservation and how are scientists not just in 713 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 2: our breeding program for our condos or helping with making 714 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:46,400 Speaker 2: more but what's some of the work going behind the 715 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:48,360 Speaker 2: scenes to make sure when the anam's out in the 716 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,680 Speaker 2: wild they're having success out there as well. So we're 717 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:55,840 Speaker 2: gonna cover some of that in the next episode. I'm 718 00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,320 Speaker 2: Rick Schwartz, my buddy Mark will be back next time. 719 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 2: Thanks for watching and thanks for the listen. Guys, have 720 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:04,720 Speaker 2: a good one. For more information about the San Diego 721 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:08,400 Speaker 2: Zoo and San Diego Zoo Safari Park, go to SDZWA 722 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 2: dot org. Amazing Wildlife is a production of iHeartRadio. Our 723 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:16,120 Speaker 2: supervising producers are Nikkia Swinton and Dylan Fagan, and our 724 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,600 Speaker 2: sound designers are Sierra Spreen and Matt Russell. 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