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Speaker 2: How you doing.

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Speaker 1: It's a Monday, We're live in Chicago. It is the Herd.

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Speaker 2: It's our number two. It is great to have you in.

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Speaker 1: I just love today when we talk about something and

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Speaker 1: we'd be done something for a while and people push

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Speaker 1: back and go, you're wrong, you're wrong, you're wrong, And

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Speaker 1: then two baseball players come out and then owner and go, no,

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Speaker 1: the Dodgers, you're fined.

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Speaker 2: They're not ruining baseball.

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Speaker 1: And a lot of this was because when I went

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Speaker 1: to dinner with the Cubs owner, I peppered him with

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Speaker 1: questions and his take is, hey, I mean the competition

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Speaker 1: breeds competition, Like the Dodgers are going all in. It

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Speaker 1: forces us to be competitive. We're all trying to have

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Speaker 1: elevated revenue streams. But you know this idea that hey,

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Speaker 1: let's have parody. Why in the world. Should the Dodgers

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Speaker 1: be forced When they make all this revenue annually? They

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Speaker 1: make what do they make? Eight hundred nine hundred million

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Speaker 1: dollars a year? Why should they have to play by

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Speaker 1: the Saint Louis Cardinals in Cincinnati? Red's economy? I mean,

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Speaker 1: baseball makes a fortune in LA, in Chicago, in New York,

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Speaker 1: in Boston, in Atlanta, in Houston, in all over Texas

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Speaker 1: makes a fortune, and just want the owners to pocket

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Speaker 1: all of it. Well, revenue sharing, Why should LA have

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Speaker 1: to share their revenue with Cincinnati? Well, it makes the

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Speaker 1: entire league better? Are you sure Cincinnati will use the

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Speaker 1: money properly and be as well run as the Dodgers?

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Speaker 1: Like the Dodgers are the gold standard right now? Even

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Speaker 1: other rich teams like the Mets and the Yankees aren't

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Speaker 1: as well run. Red Sox aren't as a run. I

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Speaker 1: think Houston's well run when they're not banging on garbage cans.

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Speaker 2: You know, all right? Colin right? Colin wrong? On a Monday,

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Speaker 2: Here we go where Colin was right?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 1: Lebron James said last week admitted it publicly. We the

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Speaker 1: Lakers are not a championship team. Why he acknowledged roster construction.

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Speaker 1: It's a three and D league. We don't have any

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Speaker 1: threes or d's. They're old, they're slow, they're two offensive leaning.

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Speaker 1: They just can't put seven to eight guys on the

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Speaker 1: acknowledging what we've said over and over. The Lakers have

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Speaker 1: a roster construction issue. Where Colin was wrong. Fernando Mendoza.

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Speaker 1: I love him. I've had now two in league sources

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Speaker 1: say that he's stiff and not a great athlete. Now,

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Speaker 1: I like bo Nicks more than the rest of everybody,

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Speaker 1: Sean Payton, There's very little I don't like about Fernando Mendoza.

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Speaker 1: But there's an another analyst coming out today saying his

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Speaker 1: you're seeing some red flags. I think he's in a prospect,

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Speaker 1: not an Andrew Luck prospect, but I think he's very

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Speaker 1: much in line with Trevor Lawrence as a prospect, and

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Speaker 1: he was highly thought of.

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Speaker 2: Where Colin was right.

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Speaker 1: The Athletic did a poll of NFL executives to rank

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Speaker 1: the ten coaching highers, and Kevin Stefanski was number two.

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Speaker 1: When the Browns fired him, I said, you will not

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Speaker 1: find a replacement as good as Kevin Stefanski.

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Speaker 1: Also, he was rated higher than Jesse Minter and Clint Kubiak,

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Speaker 1: I just said, be very careful about showing Kevin Stefanski

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Speaker 1: We told you where Colin was raw for years. I

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Speaker 2: I don't see a way out where Colin was right.

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Speaker 1: The Seattle Seahawks, many stories reported they were going to

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Speaker 1: When you replace a great coordinator offensive defense, do not

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Speaker 2: Where Colin was robbed.

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Speaker 1: The Jaguars are going to make Travis Hunter a starting

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Speaker 1: But what's hard in this league is having a great

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Speaker 1: so the Jags are going where I wouldn't. They're going

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Speaker 1: I've said about Caleb Williams, we're getting too caught up

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Speaker 1: You know the other thing about this, the NFL's now

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Speaker 1: Sakwon Barkley getting paid. Kenneth Walker's going to get paid.

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Speaker 1: So you know it's running backs will always matter because

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Speaker 1: every year, four or five are starters. And nothing makes

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Speaker 1: And with that, Albert Breer Monday Morning quarterback is now

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Speaker 1: joining us live. Okay, Dolphin's moving off Tyreek Hill today

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Speaker 1: does not surprise me. We're going to get a decision

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Speaker 1: on Tua. I would keep him and I would just

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Speaker 1: good guy. I think he's good enough to win some games.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it's a soft tank. He'd also be willing to

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Speaker 4: Well, this is part of a global effort to reset

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Speaker 4: Colin and I don't think anybody should look at these

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Speaker 4: Tyreek in a vacuum. They had fewer draft picks, just

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Speaker 4: Over the last four years, they have not drafted well.

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Speaker 4: And here's the operative question to me, like, if you

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Speaker 4: and other than that, there's no one, and so like

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Speaker 4: when they went and they looked at who we want

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Speaker 4: of Mike Ntinel, who do we want to hire as

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Speaker 4: they hire a guy from the Green Bay system. That's

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Speaker 4: where John Schneider came from, right, John Eric Sullivan. And

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Speaker 4: then they hire a defensive coordinator from Green Bay as well,

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Speaker 4: I almost think the TUA thing is a sidecar to

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Speaker 4: I mean, the number is fifty four million for this year,

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Speaker 4: So the question is are you comfortable eating that number?

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Speaker 4: And I think if all things were equal, they would

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Speaker 4: we're eating the fifty four million. That's less, but it's

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Speaker 4: not totally Unlike what the Broncos did with Russell Wilson

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Speaker 5: Now what and so you.

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Speaker 4: Know your question has to become a is to better

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Speaker 4: than what we're going to replace him with? Maybe that's

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Speaker 4: Malik Willis coming over from Green Bay, right, and then

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Speaker 4: b these again, this is another thing that's not in

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Speaker 4: think for that reason they probably wind up moving on.

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Speaker 5: But because of the contract, like you said, it's not

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Speaker 1: Okay, Kyler Murray is talented. I've defended him forever. He's small,

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Speaker 1: there's a commitment issue many have. It's toxic in Arizona.

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Speaker 1: I would move off him. He's not a backup personality.

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Speaker 1: That's fine. I still argue he's talented. Yeah, what is

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Speaker 1: the market for him?

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Speaker 4: So look, I think what we have to do with

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Speaker 4: both these guys, both Too and Kyler, is just consider

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Speaker 4: them through the Donald Daniel Jones, Baker, Mayfield, Gino Smith Lenz. Right, Like,

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Speaker 4: does somebody look at these guys and say, yeah, I

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Speaker 4: can get more out of him?

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Speaker 6: Right?

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Speaker 5: You know who did a really good job of that.

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Speaker 5: The last couple of years was the Minnesota Vikings.

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Speaker 1: pick and they're gonna get one of these great players.

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Speaker 1: Spurs paid off, Detroit paid off, I mean post Duncan

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Speaker 1: and Kawai. They try to do it the right way

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Speaker 1: for like dMar Deroz and unwatchable no good. So when

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Speaker 1: you when you only have one pathway into it, that's

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Speaker 1: what you get. So I kind of find myself being

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Speaker 1: pro tanking. How is she, Well, it's anti competitive. I've

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Speaker 1: been tanking long before this year. It should be noted

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Speaker 1: this is not now. It's worse this year, but they've

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Speaker 1: been tanking for a long time. But in previous decades

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Speaker 1: when they tanked, and previous years when they tanked, it

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Speaker 1: was also more of a transactional league, so tanking was

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Speaker 1: just one of the options. Now it feels like the

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Speaker 1: only option to go from what the Jazz were three

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Speaker 1: years ago to now. So tanking was always part of

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Speaker 1: the league, but some big markets like the Lakers.

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Speaker 2: If they wanted to rebuild.

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Speaker 1: They go transactional, they go buy a player or make

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Speaker 1: a big sweeping trade.

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Speaker 2: They can't do that stuff. So I'm going to give

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Speaker 2: you Tak credit. I'm going to give the Pistons credit.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna give the Spurs credit like this is the

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Speaker 2: new this is the new CBA.

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Speaker 1: We're dealing with. This is what we're gonna do to

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Speaker 1: get great. Well, it's working, Detroit and the Spurs are great.

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Speaker 1: from the volume in the last hour. That guy knows,

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Speaker 1: who's also Mick cronin UCLA basketball coach, is firing on

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Speaker 1: all cylinders he is. He's been saying stuff before the

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Speaker 1: year that's kind of circulating this weekend. I thought the

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Speaker 1: All Star Game was good for what it is. I'm

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Speaker 1: not a big outside of baseball, not a big All

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Speaker 1: Star Game believer, you know. I also think as athletes

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Speaker 1: have gotten richer. You've seen this on the PGA Tour.

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Speaker 1: These guys can make so much money on their YouTube channel.

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Speaker 1: They don't have to play as many tournaments, you know.

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Speaker 1: So I'm we're getting what I would call fewer fist

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Speaker 1: bump moments like Rory McElroy at the Masters is one

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Speaker 1: of those where it's palpable. You can feel it through

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Speaker 1: the TV because the really matters to Rory McElroy. But

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Speaker 1: you know, I just think as our athletes get richer

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Speaker 1: and the sports get more international, don't blame an international

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Speaker 1: basketball player if he comes to the United States and

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Speaker 1: doesn't care about anything other than winning a championship. Here

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Speaker 1: or his home country. Don't be shocked by that. You know,

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Speaker 1: when you go overseas, there's certain things you deeply care about.

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Speaker 1: Jokish does not care about the All Star Game. Okay,

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Speaker 1: he cares about his country, and he cares about the

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Speaker 1: Denver Nuggets and winning titles. You know.

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Speaker 2: So the league's become.

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Speaker 1: Very, very international, and I thought it was very encouraging

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Speaker 1: that Wemby clearly cared about the All Star Game, and

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Speaker 1: I thought the players followed suit. But you know, all

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Speaker 1: these leagues now are very international, and the quality of

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Speaker 1: baseball players and basketball players is unbelievable, and they're overwhelmingly

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Speaker 1: good guys.

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Speaker 2: They care, But when you.

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Speaker 1: Ask somebody to go to another country, they're not going

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Speaker 1: to adopt and assimilate to everything that matters to us

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Speaker 1: matters to them. I mean a show, Hey, o Tani

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Speaker 1: may look at our home run derby and think that's dorky.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the Japanese baseball culture is different than ours.

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Speaker 1: And so the way I look at the All Star

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Speaker 1: Game is the league has gotten more international. I think

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Speaker 1: there's a handful of international guys at the top that

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Speaker 1: don't really care about the All Star Game. I see

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Speaker 1: the ratings for it. I'm not sure you and I

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Speaker 1: care that much about the All Star Game. Here's John

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Speaker 1: Middlcoff with the news.

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Speaker 7: Hear on the news, this is the headline news, Well, Colin.

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Speaker 8: One of the biggest stories this here in the NFL

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Speaker 8: was JJ McCarthy and his struggles, and because of this,

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Speaker 8: rumors are floating around left and right about what they

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Speaker 8: will do at quarterback. And according to one report, there's

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Speaker 8: obviously going to be no shortage of quarterbacks this offseason

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Speaker 8: that all the quarterbacks that will be available this offseason

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Speaker 8: want to. In Minnesota, we got names like Cousins, like

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Speaker 8: Aaron Rodgers, Derek Carr is coming back to Kyler on

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Speaker 8: the move. Who do you think Colin will be the

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Speaker 8: starting quarterback for the Vikings come Week one?

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Speaker 1: Well, the Vikings sniffed Aaron before and didn't make a move,

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Speaker 1: and now he's a year older. So even though I

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Speaker 1: think that would be really fun, it's probably not the

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Speaker 1: move I could see Derek Carr because you don't have to.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you've done the Cousins thing. I don't think

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Speaker 1: that stimulates the fans. I don't know if Derek Carr

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Speaker 1: does Derek Carr could make some sense. I could see

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Speaker 1: Derek Carr. What's your thoughts?

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Speaker 8: Well, Albert brought up Kyler Murray, and I do think

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Speaker 8: from a vertical passing game, he can let it rip.

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Speaker 8: I have a hard time seeing Kevin O'Connell being a

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Speaker 8: Kyler Murray guy. I mean that one.

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Speaker 9: I actually think Derek Carr dome player.

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Speaker 8: Now, you know, in the weather historically hasn't been his

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Speaker 8: kind of little Jared goff to him. But in the

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Speaker 8: Dome you got Jefferson, you got Jordan Addison, you got

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Speaker 8: an offensive coach, you got a good deef coaching Brian Flores.

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Speaker 9: He comes free. I mean, you gotta pay him some money,

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Speaker 9: but don't.

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Speaker 8: Have to pay him that much. You don't have to

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Speaker 8: give up any draft capital. So I would keep an

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Speaker 8: eye on Derek Carr in the Minnesota bike. Speaking to quarterbacks, though,

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Speaker 8: you and I love ranking quarterbacks stocking quarterbacks, NFL dot

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Speaker 8: com has ranked the top quarterbacks from the twenty five

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Speaker 8: season into tiers.

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Speaker 9: Now I'm looking at these tiers.

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Speaker 8: Obviously, the Matt Staffords, the Josh Allens being in Tier one.

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Speaker 8: Trevor Lawrence somehow made it into Tier one. Guy like

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Speaker 8: Daniel Jones made it into Tier two. My guy Brock

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Speaker 8: perties not even in. He's in Tier three below. Jordan Love.

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Speaker 8: What do you make of this list here?

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Speaker 9: Colin?

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Speaker 1: Okay, for the radio audience, the tier one and this

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Speaker 1: is according to who john.

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Speaker 9: NFL dot com. So think they know a few things

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Speaker 9: about football, Okay.

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Speaker 1: Tier one is Stafford, Josh Allen, Dak Drake May, Justin Herbert,

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Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence. I'm pretty okay with that. Tier two darnld Caleb,

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Speaker 1: Jared Burrow, Lamar. I thought Burrow was really good when

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Speaker 1: he played Lamar. Daniel Jones. Mahomes in Tier two. That

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Speaker 1: just cracks me up.

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Speaker 8: Thirteen Collin Mahomes. Trevor Lawrence turned around his career this

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Speaker 8: year with Liam Cohen. He was not very good in

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Speaker 8: that playoff game. I get Patrick Mahomes towards ACL Chiefs

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Speaker 8: had a weird season. You kind of get the Lebron

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Speaker 8: Steph Curry treatment when you're Patrick Mahomes, like you're just

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Speaker 8: kind of on scholarship.

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Speaker 9: In the top tiers, you can't have Trevor Lawrence above you.

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Speaker 2: I agree.

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Speaker 1: Tier three is Jordan Love, Brock Purty, Aaron Rodgers, Baker, Mayfield,

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Speaker 1: Bo Nicks, Jalen Hurt, c J. Stroud. You know I

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Speaker 1: mean that Dak Prescott. You know, when he's healthy, he's

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Speaker 1: pretty good. Dak get a pretty good year. Do you

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Speaker 1: remember any quarterback? He was the Super Bowl MVP.

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Speaker 8: The Eagles were dominant two years ago and this year

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Speaker 8: now everyone just thinks Jalen Hurts kind of stinks.

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Speaker 9: I mean that happened, pretty fat, precipitous drop off there.

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Speaker 1: Well, he appears to be, as does Siri, very coordinator dependent.

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Speaker 2: I would say that, yeah, he just just coordinated.

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Speaker 9: He needs to start running again.

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Speaker 8: Okay to the NBA, obviously, I'll start weekend here in

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Speaker 8: Los Angeles, everyone's been waiting on pins and needles for

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Speaker 8: Lebron to announce.

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Speaker 9: He skipped the media day, but don't worry.

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Speaker 8: He did his own press conference, Yeah, and gave a

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Speaker 8: little gave.

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Speaker 9: Some thoughts on his honest future.

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Speaker 6: I want to live when I know, you guys know,

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Speaker 6: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I have no idea. I just want to I just

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Speaker 2: want to live, that's all.

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Speaker 6: And how is your personal uncertainty for the summer and beyond.

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Speaker 9: For your career play as a factor in your urgency here?

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Speaker 6: No, it is we getting as we gearing him say

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Speaker 6: towards the postseason. So it has nothing to do with

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Speaker 6: that same same motivation, same eye factor. Just you know

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Speaker 6: this is uh, We've got past the marathon and now

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Speaker 6: just to sprint is about to start.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'll give a Lebron credited. He always gives

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Speaker 1: good answers. He's willing to talk to anybody. He's never

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Speaker 1: he never ducks the media. I think we talked about

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Speaker 1: it last week, John. I think it's really difficult for

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Speaker 1: Lebron when you're making what the top tier players are

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Speaker 1: making and you love the game and you're still very

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Speaker 1: good at it. I would love to see him retire

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Speaker 1: after this year and put a bow on his career.

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Speaker 1: But he is still a top fifteen player. He's still

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Speaker 1: very good. He tends to play winning basketball. He's a

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Speaker 1: good distributor. He can defend in brief spurts. I get

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Speaker 1: Lebron sitting there thinking talking to Savannah and going, I'm

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Speaker 1: making fifty large.

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Speaker 2: You don't want me around the house. I like playing basketball,

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Speaker 2: you know, I get it.

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Speaker 8: I think what complicates is is he going to take

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Speaker 8: the veteran minimum next year to play for the Cavs.

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Speaker 9: Probably not.

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Speaker 8: No, I think this has always been lingering, especially the

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Speaker 8: last couple of years.

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Speaker 9: How about the All TV ratings team.

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Speaker 8: Him with Steph Curry next year Golden State Warriors, who

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Speaker 8: wouldn't be interested in that?

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Speaker 9: That'd be fun.

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Speaker 8: Draymond's got a house in La, their buddies. It's you

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Speaker 8: don't have to go that far. He's not going to

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Speaker 8: New York where it's freezing cold, right, and again they

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Speaker 8: don't have any money because of the rules, So not

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Speaker 8: that the Warriors necessarily do, but I think the Golden

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Speaker 8: State Warriors, Steph Curry kind of like the Steve Nash

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Speaker 8: Kobe remember that kind of that kind of feel, could

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Speaker 8: go bad.

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Speaker 9: That'd be the problem, could get weird. But that's my prediction.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: John Middlecoff with the news, Well that's the news, and

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Speaker 1: thanks for stopping by the herd Line News. So, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we were taking a victory lap today on the show

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Speaker 1: because all these baseball players and the Mets owner are

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Speaker 1: coming out and saying what we've been saying since last

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Speaker 1: year is stop blaming the Dodgers. Dodgers are helping baseball.

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Speaker 1: In a Monday through Friday sport a dynasty is a

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Speaker 1: good thing. NBA could use a dynasty right now, hockey could.

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Speaker 1: The Montreal Canadians won four straight Stanley Cups.

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Speaker 2: You tune in.

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Speaker 1: It's like I mean, I remember when I was a

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Speaker 1: kid and the Montreal Canadians had Gee La Fleur. I

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Speaker 1: didn't know anything about hockey, but Montreal was a dominant

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Speaker 1: I don't remember if it was late sixties, early seventies,

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Speaker 1: but I would watch hockey NBC at a hockey package,

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Speaker 1: and I can remember. I can remember the Montreal Canadians.

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Speaker 1: They were a dynasty, dynasty, and we were not nearly

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Speaker 1: as distracted.

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Speaker 2: A country.

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Speaker 1: I can remember the New York Islanders and Mike Bossi

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Speaker 1: being dominant for years as paying attention a little bit

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Speaker 1: to hockey because they had a dynasty. And now we're

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Speaker 1: a much more distracted nation. So taking a little victory lap.

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Speaker 1: But coming up next, Mick Cronin used cla basketball coach.

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Speaker 1: It's circulating. He said this before the season, but it's

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Speaker 1: coming true. What we told you isn't working is definitively

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Speaker 1: not working.

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Speaker 7: Next, be sure to catch live editions of The Herd

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Speaker 7: weekdays at noon Easter not a em Pacific.

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Speaker 8: Cross Day Rivals Tip it off on Fox College Hoops Fridays.

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Speaker 8: Braden Smith leads Purdue in a Big Ten battle against

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Speaker 8: Indiana Friday night at eight eastern only on Focks.

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Speaker 1: I met this weekend the general manager of Purdue football.

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Speaker 1: Could not have been a nicer guy. No more jokes

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Speaker 1: at Purdue's expense. I'm rooting for Purdue football because I

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Speaker 1: met their GM. He was the nicest guy.

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Speaker 2: So listen.

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Speaker 1: I know I'm repetitive because I see the research and

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Speaker 1: in talk radio a very small percentage of the audience

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Speaker 1: listens more than twice a week, and so there are

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Speaker 1: themes that I want to ensure that they stick to

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Speaker 1: me because I believe strongly in them, and I have

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Speaker 1: been on something for multiple years, and it irritates people.

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Speaker 1: I imagine college basketball is the NBA's friend. The G

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Speaker 1: League is nonsense. G League ignite, which already went belly

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Speaker 1: up nonsense does not help the players development. That the

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Speaker 1: two things that help a young basketball players development the

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Speaker 1: European academies where young men have to play with older

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Speaker 1: men so they have to have multiple skill sets. And

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Speaker 1: college basketball excellent coaching, excellent travel. You play in these

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Speaker 1: packed arenas that feel intense. G League, your plan in cities,

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Speaker 1: you couldn't find a Chick fil A. I mean, the

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Speaker 1: coaching's average, and so I think AU basketball is bad

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Speaker 1: for player development, and I think the G League similarly

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Speaker 1: does not develop players. G League Ignite was a disaster

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Speaker 1: the NBA after four years, just that it's over. They

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Speaker 1: didn't develop one legitimate, big time, consistent All Star level player.

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Speaker 1: But Mick Cronin talked about this before the season started,

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Speaker 1: and this has been circulating this weekend about player development

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Speaker 1: in this country and why when they demonize college basketball,

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Speaker 1: it is a mistake.

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Speaker 2: Too much goes on in youth basketball.

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Speaker 10: Where it's about me and not we, and it's not

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Speaker 10: the kid's fault.

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Speaker 2: They're a product at a system.

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Speaker 10: We're trying to tell you got to play defense, you

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Speaker 10: gotta play smart. You know everybody else's let's run around

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Speaker 10: shoot every time get beat on defense, they.

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Speaker 2: Don't come out, you know, just not helping them.

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Speaker 10: No, it's not helping them's that's why you hear all

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Speaker 10: the NBA guys now talking about why there's so many

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Speaker 10: Europeans because they actually played real basketball. There's no such

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Speaker 10: thing as a pickup game in Europe.

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Speaker 1: For the record, this was a great NBA draft. Go

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Speaker 1: look at the top eleven guy picked college basketball. Who

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Speaker 1: are the top twelve players in.

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Speaker 2: The NBA No Order?

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Speaker 1: Wemby International, Jokic International, Jalen Brunson, Jalen Brown, Steph Curry,

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Speaker 1: Sga Kawhi, Leonard Cade, Cunningham, Devin Booker. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: don't know where Cooper flags at, but he and the

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Speaker 1: other kid from Duke are both tremendous. They spent time

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Speaker 1: in college basketball, so I mean the best non college basketball,

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Speaker 1: non European academy, the best story for like the G

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Speaker 1: league crowd, because G.

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Speaker 2: League ignite already went belly up.

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Speaker 1: And have you ever noticed with G league guys, they

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Speaker 1: always come out there. You always explain them the same

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Speaker 1: way you always described them, the same way, super athletic,

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Speaker 1: really raw. None of them can shoot. Kaminga can't shoot shoot,

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Speaker 1: Henterson can't shoot. The best of that group is a

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Speaker 1: Men Thompson from Houston, tremendous defensive player, really raw three

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Speaker 1: years in can't shoot. So do I think he'd be

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Speaker 1: a better shooter if he'd gone to the international academies? Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: or college basketball for two years with Calipari on his

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Speaker 1: butt or Mark Few and his butt, or Mick Cronan

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Speaker 1: on his butt absolutely, or Eric Musselman or all these

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Speaker 1: great coaches. Bill self has great coaches everywhere. So it

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Speaker 1: just no, there's no G League All Stars around you

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Speaker 1: look at you look at the best players in the league,

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Speaker 1: and we got two more out of Duke and within

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Speaker 1: two years they'll be in that top arc. It's all

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Speaker 1: college basketball guys. So the NBA got into this weird

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Speaker 1: thing before NIL, like we got to get the players paid.

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Speaker 1: You're not making them better players. They can get a paycheck.

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Speaker 1: That's why I think NIL saved not only college basketball,

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Speaker 1: it's going to help the NBA in marketing, and I

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Speaker 1: think it's saving a lot of kids from being just

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Speaker 1: kind of nobody ever gives them a second big contract.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's a coincidence. These G League guys

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Speaker 1: can never shoot. They're great raw athletes. Well, where do

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Speaker 1: you develop that that consistency? That work at hard coaching?

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Speaker 2: Really?

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Speaker 1: You know, minor league baseball, they manage I mean I

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Speaker 1: used to work in minor league baseball. It is hard

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Speaker 1: coaching college football, hard coaching G League AAU.

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Speaker 2: Not a fan.

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Speaker 1: All right, we got good stuff. Jason Tim's coming up

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Speaker 1: Last Hour. Had a fun weekend. Yeah, I was down

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Speaker 1: in Florida. I went for a walk. I told the staff,

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Speaker 1: I get into my head thinking about rants and sports.

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Speaker 1: I went for a walk in a Florida beach. I

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Speaker 1: looked at my phone. I'm like, I've been walking one

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Speaker 1: direction for an hour fifteen.

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Speaker 5: You can take me an hour and a half to

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Speaker 5: get back.

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Speaker 2: To my hotel.

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Speaker 1: I woke upday morning, and I'm telling you I felt

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Speaker 1: like I had done a sixteen hour pilates class. I'm

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Speaker 1: still limping down the hallway. The moral of the story is,

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Speaker 1: don't walk in one direction for an hour fifteen unless

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Speaker 1: you do it every day. All right, Final Hour on

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Speaker 1: a Monday, Live in Chicago.

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Speaker 2: It's the hurd.