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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: In the Last Days, a bizarre twist in the migrant

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Speaker 2: murder of a little twelve year old girl, Jocelyn Nungary.

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Speaker 2: This emerging after a claim of a brutal rape by

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Speaker 2: an American woman on vacation. What does that have to

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Speaker 2: do with twelve year old Jocelyn? I'm Nancy Grace. This

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Speaker 2: is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. We

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Speaker 2: will never forget the murder of a beautiful little girl,

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Speaker 2: Jocelyn Nungry, just twelve years old.

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Speaker 1: Last summer.

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Speaker 2: Suspects in her devastating murder were revealed to be illegal immigrants,

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Speaker 2: migrants who entered our country illegally just months before. It

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Speaker 2: was Franklin Jose Piinorramos twenty six and Johann Jose Martinez

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Speaker 2: Rangel twenty two, who allegedly lured the little girl underneath

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Speaker 2: a bridge, sex assaulted her for hours, then murdering her

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Speaker 2: and leaving her strangled body in the bayou near the bridge.

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Speaker 2: In the last Days, an American woman who had been

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Speaker 2: vacationing in Costa Rica tells authorities she was raped Franklin

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Speaker 2: Jose Pina Ramos. According to the witness, the attack occurred

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Speaker 2: in Central America just before Nungary was murdered on June seventeen. Now,

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Speaker 2: that was as Pina was en routed to the US

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Speaker 2: from South America. Now, the woman went to Costa Rican

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Speaker 2: authorities after she was attacked, but she was ignored. Now,

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Speaker 2: this is according to Kim Ogg, who was District attorney

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Speaker 2: in Houston until January. Ogg says when the victim reported

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Speaker 2: it to authorities in Costa Rica, they did absolutely nothing.

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Speaker 2: Ogg says when she learned about the Costa Rican victim

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Speaker 2: last year, she immediately decided to seek the death penalty

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Speaker 2: for both men in Jocelyn's case. What exactly happened in

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Speaker 2: Jocelyn's case? Jocelyn, just twelve years old, lured from a

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Speaker 2: local seven to eleven, found strangled and unclothed, tied up

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Speaker 2: in a creek.

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Speaker 3: The chief, we're here to share some very horrible news.

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Speaker 3: Someone has taken one of our innocent children, promised today.

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Speaker 3: A twelve year old little girl found her this morning,

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Speaker 3: and we believe somebody did this horrible thing to her,

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Speaker 3: and we are here to ask for your help.

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Speaker 4: I'm like angry that the advantage of her.

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Speaker 5: She's so young, so you'd take my baby away.

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Speaker 1: Now I get too, little brother Noles to say that.

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Speaker 2: We can hold that emotional video of Jocen's mother from

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Speaker 2: our friends Akhou.

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Speaker 1: It all started when we heard this.

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Speaker 6: Listen to find out if anybody knows anything, anybody saw anything,

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Speaker 6: anybody can share that information so we can figure out

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Speaker 6: what happened to her exactly, and we can find whoever

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Speaker 6: did this and get them off the street.

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Speaker 3: I've talked to this child, to mother. Of course, she

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Speaker 3: is devastated, her family is devastating. Her little girl is gone.

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Speaker 3: So we need your help.

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Speaker 2: This little girl goes to bed. My mommy goes to bed,

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Speaker 2: a twelve year old little girl, Jocelyn. Then she sneaks

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Speaker 2: out for what to go about a block to the

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Speaker 2: seven to eleven and call her little boyfriend. That's it,

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Speaker 2: just a phone call. She never came home. This is

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Speaker 2: what more we know.

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Speaker 7: I'm going to talk to you about an incident that

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Speaker 7: happened around six am this morning. A citizen called nine

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Speaker 7: to one one regarding a body seen in the shallow

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Speaker 7: water of the Bayou and your four hundred West Brancolin

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Speaker 7: Road in the Houston's North Beelt area. Houston's Homicide Division

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Speaker 7: along with the assistants of the Houston Department's dive team

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Speaker 7: in the Harris County Medical Examiner's Office, we're able to

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Speaker 7: recover that body out of the shallow water. There. Harris

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Speaker 7: County's Medical Examiner's Office is completing an official identification of

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Speaker 7: the victim.

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Speaker 2: That little twelve year old girl has been murdered and

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Speaker 2: we believe raped by who. According to police, two illegal

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Speaker 2: immigrants also known as no on citizen migrants, one of

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Speaker 2: them allegedly cutting off his ankle monitor after the murder.

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Speaker 1: That's right, let that sink in.

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Speaker 2: One of them cutting off his criminal ankle monitor after

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Speaker 2: the twelve year old little girl is murdered.

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Speaker 1: So at the time, this little girl.

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Speaker 2: Is stripped, tied up, kept under a bridge, being tortured

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Speaker 1: From that payphone by these two.

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Speaker 2: There's no other way to say it, animals, he's wearing

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Speaker 2: an ankle monitor. He's already committed a crime. There she is,

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Speaker 2: thinking she's on a real adventure, sneaking to a payphone

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Speaker 1: Boyfriend to say good night.

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Speaker 2: In the background, the little boyfriend, here's adult voice, two

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Speaker 2: or strip her under a bridge and tie her up

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Speaker 1: These two, that's who, why are they even here?

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Speaker 2: Joining me in All Star panel to makes sense of

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Speaker 2: what we know right now?

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Speaker 1: But have any of you had it with.

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Speaker 2: Violent crime, especially on children, much less by illegal immigrants

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Speaker 2: that are not supposed to be here anyway?

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Speaker 1: Why why are they here?

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Speaker 2: Why are they lurking around unapprehended? And now this little

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Speaker 2: girl is dead again? Joining me in All Star panel,

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Speaker 2: but first to Coray Peel investigative reporter kp RC two

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Speaker 2: in Houston.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. Corly, start at the beginning.

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Speaker 4: This tragic story starts when Alexis Nungray tucked her twelve

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Speaker 4: year old daughter Alexis in bed Sunday night. Last Sunday.

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Speaker 4: She was expected to go to work with her mother

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Speaker 4: the next morning, so she said everything was normal, nothing

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Speaker 1: She went to.

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Speaker 4: Bed around ten o'clock that night, and the next morning

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Speaker 4: she realized that her daughter was missing. So she gets

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Speaker 4: She starts pinging her daughter's phone, and when she pings

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Speaker 4: sees a crime scene and detectives Corly Peel.

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Speaker 2: That is every appearance worse nightmare, because when I can't

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Speaker 2: find the twins, my children, I just go look at

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Speaker 2: Life thirty sixty and I see where they are, and

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Speaker 2: they're where they're supposed to be.

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Speaker 1: And I'm just imagining this mom. And it was.

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Speaker 2: Really early in the morning, and Jocelyn, the twelve year

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Speaker 2: and mommy told her that just before they went to

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Speaker 1: Me and mommy goes to sleep. This is what we know. Listen.

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Speaker 8: Joscelyn Nungary is a helpful, bright, funny girl. At twelve

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Speaker 8: and at school, she's one of the most popular. On

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Speaker 8: Sunday night, Jocelyn's mother, Alexis Nungary, reminds her not to

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Speaker 8: with her in the morning. Alexis tells Joscelyn good night

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Speaker 8: A little after ten pm, when she is certain her

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Speaker 8: goes to a local convenience store. It's around midnight when

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Speaker 8: she calls her thirteen year old boyfriend, who says he

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Speaker 8: hears Jocelyn talking to some adults before he hangs up

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Speaker 8: the phone.

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Speaker 2: Joining me, Doctor Bethany Marshall Reronow psychoanalyst, joining us from LA.

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Speaker 2: You can find her at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Bethany, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: You know, I've.

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Speaker 2: Actually heard people horrible, people attacking the little girl and

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Speaker 2: the mom. It was a couple of blocks away. For

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Speaker 2: what is she out dealing drugs? Is she out horing around?

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Speaker 2: Is she out joy riding, stealing a car, vandalizing, doing pot,

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Speaker 2: doing anything wrong? No, she goes to call and say

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Speaker 2: good night to the little boyfriend who's just thirteen and

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Speaker 2: he's at home with his parents. That's it, and some

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Speaker 2: people have actually vilified it.

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Speaker 1: You know, a lot of people.

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Speaker 2: Not me, because I was afraid that I wasn't afraid

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Speaker 1: I was afraid they'd be disappointed in me.

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Speaker 2: I never snuck out, but I can't say the same

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Speaker 2: for my brother and sister or anybody else I know

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Speaker 2: that didn't sneak out and do something and actually get

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Speaker 1: But I hate that, Bethany.

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Speaker 2: Will people do anything, come up with anything, fabricate anything

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Speaker 2: to blame a victim. I think I know why they

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Speaker 2: do it, because it isolates them from a crime like

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Speaker 2: that'll never happen to me and my child. But this

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Speaker 2: is a twelve year old little girl who was about

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Speaker 2: with mommy to work.

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Speaker 9: Nancy.

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Speaker 10: People are saying all kinds of horrible things, like why

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Speaker 10: did the mother go to bed before her daughter went

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Speaker 10: to bed, Why did the little girl sleep sneak out

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Speaker 10: of the window, Why did she have a boyfriend?

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Speaker 9: To put this in context, Nancy, by the.

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Speaker 10: Time children are twelve years old, they are beginning a

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Speaker 10: developmental trajectory where they will start to distance themselves from

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Speaker 10: their parents sometimes and start to cling to their peers.

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Speaker 11: They're preparing to.

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Speaker 10: Leave home when they're seventeen, eighteen or nineteen. It's how

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Speaker 10: their brains are developing and growing. So that's why you

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Speaker 10: see them always wanting to play video games with other people,

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Speaker 9: On the phone with their friends, or look on social media.

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Speaker 10: It's because their brains are programmed to do that. All

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Speaker 10: she wanted to do was say good night to her

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Speaker 10: little boyfriend. This is a twelve year old child who

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Speaker 10: taking her daughter to work with her.

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Speaker 2: It's this little girl steaks out of the house to

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Speaker 1: She never makes it home.

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Speaker 2: Joining me an All Star panel, Corly Peel joining us

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Speaker 2: kp RC two.

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Speaker 1: Where was the mom working?

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Speaker 2: Why was little Joscelyn going with mom to work the

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Speaker 4: No, she didn't reveal that information as to exactly what

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Speaker 4: they were going to do the next day at work,

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Speaker 4: but she said they just came back from a vacation

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Speaker 4: in that weekend, so you know, she told her they

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Speaker 4: were going to get up early. It was going to

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Speaker 11: Essentially.

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Speaker 4: You know, at summertime, she doesn't have school, so she

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Speaker 4: was just going to just tag along with her mom,

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Speaker 4: who worked the next day. But it was just a heartbreaking,

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Speaker 4: you know, situation to hear from her mother. She was

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Speaker 4: just you saw those tears streaming down her face as

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Speaker 4: she just plead for help, just disbelief as this could

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Speaker 4: happen to her twelve year old daughters. So again, like

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Speaker 4: we mentioned parents' worst nightmare, no one thinks that their

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Speaker 4: child's not going to be there when they wake up

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: In the last Days a bizarre and nefarious twist in

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Speaker 2: the murder of a twelve year old little girl, Jocelyn Nungery.

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Speaker 2: In addition to claiming the life of this innocent little girl,

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Speaker 2: an American citizen on vacation in Costa Rica now makes

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Speaker 2: a startling and disturbing claim about one of Jocelyn's alleged attackers.

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Speaker 2: Franklin jose Pino dramas what happened to Jocelyn and what

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Speaker 2: does it have to do with an American tourist in

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Speaker 2: Costa Rica?

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Speaker 1: Lynn.

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Speaker 2: When I read this story, I could barely contain myself.

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Speaker 2: We hear, oh, okay, little girl found dead in a

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Speaker 1: We don't follow that through that chain of thought.

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Speaker 11: Trash, Lynn, Nancy, we work so hard with missing children,

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Speaker 11: First of all, I heard that she was with her

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Speaker 11: Then I heard she was calling her boyfriend.

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Speaker 11: Houston mayor say she was raped. Then it was walked back.

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Speaker 11: Nobody else will say right now she was actually raped.

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Speaker 11: They said that is pending the sexual assault. Well, I

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Speaker 11: They do not belong here. Kids have been jumping out

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Speaker 11: If a child's trying to leave a home, an alarm

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Speaker 11: what we're faced with today.

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Speaker 2: A twelve year old little girl is lured away by two.

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Speaker 2: Non citizen migrants aka illegal aliens, one still wearing an

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Speaker 2: at why two investigations? Michael, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: You know Lenna's right. No one will say they rate

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Speaker 2: the little girl. Then why were her pants off. Why

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Speaker 1: Why? Why?

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Speaker 2: Why all those circumstances if she was not sex assaulted

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Speaker 1: That is what happened to Michael.

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Speaker 12: Of course, Nancy, all those signs are indicative of sexual assault.

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Speaker 12: And you and I and common sense people, we probably

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Speaker 12: and they don't want to They don't want to make

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, we've learned that they are originally from Venezuela,

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Speaker 4: They've been living in Houston for about a month. That's

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Speaker 1: We don't know a whole.

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Speaker 1: Guys.

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Speaker 2: This is what more we are learning incredible police work.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you recall Jennifer Dulos, the missing

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Speaker 1: He murdered her.

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Speaker 2: This mother of five goes missing, and what the local

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Speaker 2: police do, in conjunction with others, is they put together

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Speaker 2: To get it detailed because Jennifer's DNA is all over it,

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Speaker 13: Listen, our team has worked tirelessly tracking evidence in this

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Speaker 13: We have found and learned that the suspects began their

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Speaker 2: And more of what we know about the two defendants

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Speaker 13: Listen, the suspects continued south and we're first seen on

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Speaker 13: Suspects seen meeting the victim and talking for a few

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Speaker 13: After a few minutes, all three together walked to a bridge,

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Speaker 1: Oh, they're totally busted.

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Speaker 2: They are following them through veryous surveillance videos. They'll probably

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Speaker 2: We know that they are Jose Roguel Martinez and Franklin

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Speaker 1: Ramos discovered crossing.

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Speaker 1: What he immediately disappears?

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Speaker 2: So Ebara placed on a program, a ankle monitor program.

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Speaker 2: He immediately cut off that monitor and disappeared April twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty three. Yeah, that's who's here. Both of them just

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Speaker 1: Where are they? Maybe in your backyard?

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Speaker 2: Joining me now is a renowned chief medical examiner out

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Speaker 2: Never lack of business there, Doctor Kendall Crowns, who has

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Speaker 2: How will you determine, doctor Kendall Crowns, whether or not

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Speaker 2: the little girl had been raped.

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Speaker 14: So an evaluation of her genitalia will be done looking

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Speaker 5: You surveillan shows twelve year old Jocelyn with two unknown

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Speaker 2: Night, and even now online trolls are attacking the mom

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Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany Marshall joining us.

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Speaker 2: Renounced like o analyst out of la Doctor Bethany, what

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Speaker 10: Well, for one, I think she had three factors that

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Speaker 10: acute little girl. She's vulnerable, they can have their way

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Speaker 9: They were full of rage and nancy. They may have

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Speaker 10: Acting in concert to terrorize, rape and do whatever they

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Speaker 10: They came from another country. They wanted to come up

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Speaker 10: against unsuspecting victims. I was thinking about that with these two,

442
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:42,440
Speaker 10: especially since they have a gang history, Like what were

443
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 10: they really planning and that area that they had moved into,

444
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 10: did they want to pray on other unsuspecting victims or

445
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:53,159
Speaker 10: were they hatching some plot? But definitely they chose this

446
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 10: little girl because she's tiny, she's vulnerable.

447
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 9: They could have their way with her.

448
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 10: These monsters, they're not going to come up against peers

449
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 10: or somebody more powerful than them. Imagine what happens when

450
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 10: they have to come up against the police or now

451
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:12,160
Speaker 10: they're being questioned or they have to answer to investigators.

452
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 10: These guys are cowards, deep down, homicidal cowards who only

453
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:20,919
Speaker 10: wanted their way with a little girl.

454
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Speaker 9: It is so terrible and tragic.

455
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Speaker 2: You know another thing, Doctor Bethany Marshall, is these two

456
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 2: we now know thanks to local police and especially that

457
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Speaker 2: detective Steven Hope. You were hearing earlier that these two

458
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:36,880
Speaker 2: went out and were spotted at a restaurant and they're

459
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Speaker 2: called on surveillance video at a restaurant having dinner. It's

460
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Speaker 2: almost like they go out for dinner in a movie

461
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 2: and they use up the little girl and just throw

462
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Speaker 2: her away like that throw a popcorn down at the AMC.

463
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Speaker 1: That's how she's treated, Nancy.

464
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Speaker 9: These animals have no regard for life.

465
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Speaker 10: And when I heard about the restaurant, I was thinking,

466
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,399
Speaker 10: were they just sitting ordering hamburgers and French fries and

467
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:01,920
Speaker 10: talking about who they're going to murder? Not be surprised

468
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 10: if they were stirring it up and actually stimulating each other,

469
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 10: because we know even with criminals who get out of jail,

470
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 10: sometimes they emerge more frustrated and more ready to offend

471
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:18,640
Speaker 10: because of their incarceration experiences. And these guys have been roaming,

472
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,920
Speaker 10: you know, they go over the border there and they

473
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 10: interact with law enforcement. It's almost like there's this hatred

474
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:30,399
Speaker 10: in vindictiveness building up inside of them, this sense that

475
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 10: the world is against them, that they have to assert

476
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Speaker 10: power somewhere.

477
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 9: And remember, it's rumored that they have a.

478
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 10: Criminal background, a gain background, which tells me that they've

479
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 10: been in an environment where there's socially sanctioned sociopathy, so

480
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Speaker 10: that not only are they criminals, sadists, rapists on their own,

481
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 10: but they've been a part of a society where men

482
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 10: do this kind of thing, Nancy. So this becomes a

483
00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 10: perfect storm, which is the reason why they should not

484
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 10: have been here, because we don't really have this in

485
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 10: our country, where it's a perfect storm of men who

486
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 10: are misogynists, who hate women, who want to rape, torture

487
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 10: and kill just because everybody else thinks it's okay, and

488
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 10: they're stirring each.

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Speaker 2: Other up, you know, Lynn Shaw with me, founder of

490
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 2: Lynn's Warriors, committed to ending mistreatment of children. Lynn, I'm

491
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 2: just thinking about the way they soak, callously throw her

492
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 2: body and that buy you we've shown you and just

493
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 2: walk away, probably laughing, and the image which police have

494
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 2: given me because they're spotted on video at a restaurant

495
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 2: having a great time and then they leave and like

496
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Speaker 2: I was telling doctor Bethany, like going to dinner in

497
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 2: a movie for the rest of us, that's a big

498
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:52,959
Speaker 2: night out, and instead they go for dinner and then

499
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 2: they go get this little girl and they're stoking each

500
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Speaker 2: other as they go.

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Speaker 1: Very often people will do things as a group that

502
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Speaker 1: they wouldn't do on their own.

503
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Speaker 2: But these two are like minded. And I've given this

504
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 2: example before, Lynn Shaw. If you're out for a walk

505
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 2: on a nature trailer in a park and you see

506
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 2: a little rabbit go by, I bet your first instinct

507
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 2: is to maybe pet it or feed it, where other

508
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 2: instincts would be to grab it and tear it's neck

509
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 2: out and eat it. A predator. And when they saw

510
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 2: this little girl, can you imagine all the glances the

511
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 2: two of them exchanged.

512
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Speaker 1: With each other.

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00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 2: They knew what they were going to do as they

514
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,239
Speaker 2: walked to that bridge, as they forced her to go

515
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:44,479
Speaker 2: under the bridge. At any point they could have stopped Lynn,

516
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 2: but they didn't. They went so far as to tie

517
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 2: her up, strip her under that bridge, I believe, rape her,

518
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 2: and then strangle her, most likely manually.

519
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 1: With their own hands, and then.

520
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 2: To top it off, throw her into the water like

521
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 2: SEUs trass Land Nancy.

522
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Speaker 11: Doctor Bethany hit the nail on the head the way

523
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 11: she described the mindset we work with law enforcement. These

524
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 11: criminal members of this gang from Venezuela, it's called trendy Arragua.

525
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 11: They have no regard for life at all. I don't

526
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 11: even want to compare them to animals. That is too kind.

527
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 11: I don't want to put that on animals.

528
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 1: They will.

529
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Speaker 11: They have no regard for girls and women in particular.

530
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 11: They take what they want. I don't even know if

531
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 11: they planned this. They just saw her. She's a slight

532
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 11: little girl. They may have asked her directions I read

533
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 11: and she said, okay, I'll show you this way. They

534
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 11: lured her somehow and they just had the opportunity. I

535
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 11: want to repeat, these people are not here legally. They

536
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 11: have we work extensively with law enforcement. They have no

537
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 11: regard for women and girls. They think that they are

538
00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 11: just property. They're to be raped, robbed, beaten. And I'm

539
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 11: not understanding why all this is allowed allowed to go on.

540
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 11: We know all this, we know what is going on.

541
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Speaker 11: These are called also ghost criminals. They may come and

542
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 11: have an ankle monitor. They're cutting them off. Nobody's following

543
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 11: up and doing further vetting, and they're disappearing all our country.

544
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 11: And I guarantee you, I guarantee you. This is my opinion.

545
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 11: They have done this before. They have raped and robbed

546
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 11: women before, and perhaps even murdered.

547
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Speaker 1: Oh gosh.

548
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Speaker 2: Yes, Michael Vanna is joining US former Houston Police homicide

549
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 2: detective now PI owner of y two investigations.

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Speaker 1: Michael, this is not their first crime. And I don't

551
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 1: mean stealing a.

552
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 2: Car or joey riding or a theft by shoplifting or

553
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 2: smoking a joint. No, no, no, there's a big leap

554
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 2: between any of those crimes and kidnapping a little girl,

555
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:59,959
Speaker 2: forcing her under that bridge, raping and murdering her. Oh no, no, no, no,

556
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 2: this is by far not their first violent crime.

557
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Speaker 12: Nancy, I don't think. I think you're going to find

558
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 12: in the investigation that they probably have a DNA link

559
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 12: to other crimes here in the Houston area or around

560
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 12: the country. Who knows, But let me tell you this, Nancy.

561
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 12: I know Houston Police Chief Saturn White personally, I know

562
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 12: the lead homicide investigator personally. These two men are bloodhounds,

563
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 12: and with their experience, they're not going to let this

564
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 12: case go away. They're gonna even though they've been arrested

565
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 12: in charge, the investigation is just beginning. They have to

566
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 12: go and confirm and reconfirm every bit of information that

567
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 12: they've followed on that digital trail, on the eyewitnesses, on

568
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 12: the medical examiners report. They have to completely completely put

569
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 12: a case together to make sure these animals do not

570
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 12: get out, absolutely, and they're.

571
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Speaker 1: Gonna do that.

572
00:33:54,720 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 2: Crime Stores with Nancy Grace, we are now learning an

573
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 2: American woman claims she was brutally sex attacked by one

574
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 2: of the two men that allegedly murdered twelve year old Joscelyn.

575
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 2: This guy has left a wake of pain behind him.

576
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 2: How many other victims could there be? But what we

577
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:25,359
Speaker 2: do know is the state says it's got an ironclad

578
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,799
Speaker 2: case against the two men that lured a twelve year

579
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 2: old little girl under a bridge, assaulted her for hours,

580
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Speaker 2: and left her dead body in a by you.

581
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Speaker 8: Listen, Investigators determine the two men lure her into going

582
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 8: under the bridge on West Rankin Road, keeping Joscelyn for

583
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 8: over two hours, they take her pants off and tie

584
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Speaker 8: her up. Joscelyn dies from strangulation before she is thrown

585
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,720
Speaker 8: into the byu where her body is found. After throwing

586
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:54,399
Speaker 8: the body into the bayou, Ramos and Martinez are seen

587
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 8: walking back toward the apartment they share. Police believe the

588
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 8: pair live in the same apartment complex as Jocelyn. Nungery.

589
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 1: Just strolling back. They're on video, just strolling back.

590
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 2: It reminds me of the guy that murdered Rachel Morin.

591
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 2: According to the DNA found on her body, he attacked

592
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 2: a nine year old little girl in La before he

593
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:24,799
Speaker 2: murdered Rachel In. Bel air Maryland based on DNA. And

594
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 2: he didn't even run from the scene. He's caught on

595
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,879
Speaker 2: a door cam in La he just walks out without

596
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 2: a shirt on and just walks away like, hey, you

597
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:36,840
Speaker 2: know that was nothing, no big deal. I mean, doctor

598
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Speaker 2: Bethany Marshall, I don't think you're getting my question. The

599
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Speaker 2: way they threw away the little girl like she was

600
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:46,359
Speaker 2: a chewing gum wrapper. Just throw her away after that,

601
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 2: Just throw her body, half stripped, tied up, strangled, just

602
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 2: throw her in the water, and now we know, casually

603
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:59,879
Speaker 2: walk off. I'm telling you, this was no more than

604
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,360
Speaker 2: they have going to the movie and having dinner. That

605
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:04,839
Speaker 2: was it.

606
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:06,399
Speaker 1: This was nothing to them.

607
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,320
Speaker 2: And they casually stroll back to their apartment.

608
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,280
Speaker 1: They don't even run nothing.

609
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 9: No, no, no.

610
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Speaker 10: Several things about this story bothered me so much. This

611
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 10: little girl, Joscelyn, grew up with a mother and in

612
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 10: this society, in a neighborhood where she was taught that

613
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 10: the world is a safe place. Unlike Venezuela, Unlike Haiti,

614
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Speaker 10: where the two missionary kids, David and Natalie were just

615
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:32,399
Speaker 10: murdered by gang violence. There are certain societies Nancy where

616
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:36,919
Speaker 10: homicide is socially sanctioned, where it's rampant, where people do

617
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 10: feel that this is what society has come to. And

618
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 10: when those societies infiltrate our society, our kids, who believe

619
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 10: that the world is a safe place continue doing what

620
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 10: they normally do, not realizing that there are predators around them.

621
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Speaker 10: And then the other thing that's strolling back to their apartment, Nancy,

622
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 10: they strangled her. And that means that they were looking

623
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:03,720
Speaker 10: into the eyes and into the face of a twelve

624
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 10: year old little girl, watching her struggle, taking delight, taking pleasure.

625
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,879
Speaker 10: I mean, if you really just soak that in, Who

626
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,799
Speaker 10: does that to a twelve year old who rapes a

627
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:19,319
Speaker 10: twelve year old who may not even know about sex yet.

628
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 10: I mean the intrusion into this little girl of the

629
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Speaker 10: most horrifying, unimaginable circumstances for which she was completely unprepared

630
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 10: and not even knowing what to do. And Nancy, Yeah,

631
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:36,360
Speaker 10: they just tossed her into the river. It's beyond disregard

632
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 10: for human life. It's sadism, it's thrill, it's hatred, it's

633
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 10: wanting to undermine the youth and beauty of such a

634
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 10: beautiful member of our society.

635
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Speaker 9: It's really horrible.

636
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Speaker 2: When I first started prosecuting violent crimes, the judge would

637
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 2: instruct a jury if the evidence supported it.

638
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 1: On flight as in Disha of guilt.

639
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 2: Now and most jurisdictions, the judge doesn't instruct a jury

640
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 2: that flight can be used as an indication of guilt,

641
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:11,839
Speaker 2: but the prosecutor can still argue it.

642
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 1: And in this case, you want to tell me they

643
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Speaker 1: didn't do it.

644
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:21,240
Speaker 2: Because when HPD Houston PD shows up at the apartment

645
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 2: complex where these two illegals live and they get a bullhorn,

646
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:29,240
Speaker 2: a loud speaker and they order the men to come out,

647
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,799
Speaker 2: what do they do. One of the guys tries to

648
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:38,760
Speaker 2: jump off a balcony for a m but wisely, Houston

649
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 2: PD and this detective is really something else.

650
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Speaker 1: It's Stephen Hope.

651
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 9: Guy.

652
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Speaker 1: They have the whole place surrounded.

653
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:52,839
Speaker 2: There you go jumping off a balcony to Crawley Bill

654
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 2: joining US investigative reporter kPr C too. They're in Houston, really,

655
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Speaker 2: I mean, if the cottonknocks on your door, do you

656
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 2: try to run out in the back and jump off

657
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Speaker 2: a balcony.

658
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Speaker 1: Absolutely not.

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Speaker 4: And it was really interesting because we were out there

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00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 4: that morning. We didn't see that time of the rest

661
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 4: just afterwards when they were placed in handcuffs. But a

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00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 4: lot of the neighbors out there told me that they

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00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:21,439
Speaker 4: didn't really interact with those men too much. They'd only

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Speaker 4: lived at that apartment complex for maybe a month two months.

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00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 4: I think the only time they really saw them out

666
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 4: was a barbecue that happened a couple weeks prior. But

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00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 4: they didn't have many details about, you know, what those

668
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 4: men were like or if they seemed suspicious at all.

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00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 4: So definitely concerning if they're trying to run from police.

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00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 5: They took away my first born. A mom pleads for

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00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:49,319
Speaker 5: killers to be brought to justice after her twelve year

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00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 5: old daughter's slaying.

673
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:54,280
Speaker 2: Now we know the two men that have been arrested

674
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 2: in the rape and murder of a twelve year old

675
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:05,839
Speaker 2: little Houston girl, Jocelyn secretly and nefariously came into our

676
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 2: country to.

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Speaker 1: Do nothing but rek have it. They were not.

678
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 2: Here, according to the Statue of Liberty, seeking a new life.

679
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 2: They came here to continue a life of violent crime.

680
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 2: And it's not the first time does the name lacan

681
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 2: Riley ring a bell, because I'll never forget the name.

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00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 8: Listen in Athens, Georgia. Nursing student Lake and Riley is

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00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:33,720
Speaker 8: late returning from a jog at the University of Georgia

684
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 8: campus and a roommate becomes concerned surging the area she

685
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 8: would jog. Her body is found in a coney forest

686
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 8: park near Lake Herrick. Riley's body is found covered in

687
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 8: brush and she's been killed by blood, forced trauma, and asphyxiation.

688
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:49,399
Speaker 8: A sketch of a possible person of interest leads investigators

689
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 8: to Jose Antonio Ibarra. Ibarra is from Venezuela, entered the

690
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 8: USA illegally with a fake wife, was sent to New York,

691
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 8: left his fake wife, and ended up in Athens, Georgia

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00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 8: with his brother. Ibra now facing murder charges in the

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00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 8: killing of Lincoln Riley.

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00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 1: His fake wife. And what about Elizabeth Medina.

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00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 8: When high school cheerleader Lizabeth Medina doesn't join her team

696
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 8: for the Christmas parade, her mother races home to see why.

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00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:18,240
Speaker 8: In the bathroom, Jackala Medina finds her daughter in the bathtub, dead,

698
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 8: stabbed to death. Police tracks suspicious activity on Lizabeth's missing

699
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:26,399
Speaker 8: cell phone, leading them to Rafael Govea Romero twenty three

700
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:30,760
Speaker 8: illegally in the United States of America from Mexico. Investigators

701
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:34,760
Speaker 8: determined he's been stalking Lizabeth Medina and was on probation

702
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 8: at the time of her murder, and.

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00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:40,320
Speaker 2: Then he stabs her dead, and Mommy has to find

704
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 2: her daughter dead in the bathtub when she's supposed to

705
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 2: be in a Christmas parade.

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00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 1: That's how she found out.

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00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:51,240
Speaker 2: Mommy races for more to see her daughter in the parade,

708
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:53,879
Speaker 2: not wanting to miss a thing, and the daughter's not there,

709
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:59,799
Speaker 2: so she races home to find her daughter dead. When

710
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 2: will it end? I can't control what Congress is doing,

711
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,799
Speaker 2: you know. That's like yelling out the window on Third Avenue.

712
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:11,239
Speaker 2: But what I can do is ask for help in

713
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 2: this case to make sure these two are convicted.

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00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:20,760
Speaker 1: Seven one, three, three zero eight three six hundred.

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00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 2: Another heartbreaking twist in the case of the murder of

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00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 2: twelve year old Jocelyn Nungary, who allegedly was brutalized and

717
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 2: murdered at the hands of two illegal migrants. Now a

718
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:41,720
Speaker 2: woman has come forward swearing she was raped by one

719
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 2: of the purpose when she was on vacation in Costa Rica. Coincidentally,

720
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 2: when Ramos was making his way from South America.

721
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 1: Up to the US. Did he go through Costa Rica?

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00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 2: Can we prove this?

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00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 1: What do we know about Jocelyn's case.

724
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 2: We're never going to get justice for this American woman

725
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:05,840
Speaker 2: out of Costa Rica, but we can get justice in

726
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 2: the US.

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00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfolds.

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00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:12,360
Speaker 2: Goodbye friend,