Speaker 1: Of the Law and Order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable.
Speaker 2: We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the
Speaker 2: vicious felonies.
Speaker 3: These episodes are based on. These are our stories.
Speaker 4: Done done, yay.
Speaker 2: Welcome to That's Messed Up an SVU podcast. My name
Speaker 2: is Lisa Traeger.
Speaker 1: Hello, and I'm Kara Klink and welcome. This is our
Speaker 1: podcast where we talk about Law and Order SVU episodes
Speaker 1: the crimes they're based on, and then we talk to
Speaker 1: an actor from the show. And it is our two
Speaker 1: year anniversary today from today, Yeah, it's like our hundred
Speaker 1: and like I don't know, it's like one episode one
Speaker 1: oh six or something. But we started two years ago,
Speaker 1: December of twenty twenty, in the middle of the pandemic.
Speaker 1: And thank you guys, all of you who listen to
Speaker 1: us and have made this podcast so much fun, and
Speaker 1: people that come out to our tour dates and blah
Speaker 1: blah blah.
Speaker 3: You guys are the best.
Speaker 2: Yeah, from the day ones to the people who just
Speaker 2: recently found us, to the people that dabble, to the
Speaker 2: people who listen every day on their commits, all of you.
Speaker 2: We're so lucky and we're having a good time doing this.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Also, one more quick piece of business, we would like
Speaker 1: to shout out our mixer. We have a mixer, someone
Speaker 1: who makes our episode sound appealing to your ears and
Speaker 1: has as is sort of an unsung hero of our show.
Speaker 1: His name is John Bradley, and we would like to
Speaker 1: thank you John for everything you do to make our
Speaker 1: podcast sound cool and normal and palatable. And this episode
Speaker 1: is wide releasing on just December thirteenth, which means tonight
Speaker 1: we are in Texas, we are in Houston, and tomorrow
Speaker 1: we are in Dallas. So if you're listening and you're
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Speaker 1: fun episodes of SBU that have never been on the podcast.
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Speaker 3: Come check out our our tour dates.
Speaker 1: We also are doing Northeast Philly, Boston, Hartford in January,
Speaker 1: so get New York two and New York New York
Speaker 1: is so sorry, yeah, but yeah the rest of those
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Speaker 1: show in Boston. So if you tried for Boston early
Speaker 1: on and didn't get a ticket, we added another show.
Speaker 3: And that's that for that business.
Speaker 1: And we do we want to do our other big
Speaker 1: announcement before we get into our chit chat.
Speaker 2: Or do we wait, let's wait, we'll do an announcement. Well,
Speaker 2: first chit chat. We have a lot to talk about, yeah,
Speaker 2: and then we'll tease one more bit of announcement towards
Speaker 2: yeah in a few minutes. In a few minutes, no
Speaker 2: big deal. I just yeah, one listen. I love you
Speaker 2: for you. I can't get enough. But I watched it
Speaker 2: all in three days. I stayed up till seven in
Speaker 2: the morning. Oh my god, that's me in my damages days.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah.
Speaker 2: And the thing is it is emotional. It's it's definitely
Speaker 2: because people said it was dark and everyone kept saying it,
Speaker 2: and I was like, I used to watch OZ when
Speaker 2: I was twelve, Like, let me, I'll tell you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we do an SVU podcast. We can handle a
Speaker 1: little darkness.
Speaker 2: And the people were dead on it is really brutal,
Speaker 2: but in a way that's not gratuitous or just because
Speaker 2: like and I listened to all the interviews, you know,
Speaker 2: HBO does really good behind the scenes little things and
Speaker 2: Zendaia Zendeia, I forget she says it too, but she
Speaker 2: was just saying, it's like so much about empathy and
Speaker 2: really understanding what people are going through.
Speaker 3: And I think they like nail it.
Speaker 2: And now that I've been on a set consistently more
Speaker 2: than I've ever had in my life, watching this show,
Speaker 2: I'm like so impressed. I like, can't these young actors.
Speaker 2: If you think Olivia Benson's wet eyes are impressive, these
Speaker 2: fucking teams, I swear to God, like they are so good.
Speaker 2: Zenda deserves every award ever. And you remember like this
Speaker 2: year the but so that everyone was obsessed with where
Speaker 2: it's like her running and it like really got a
Speaker 2: lot of attention. Do you remember this at all? Know,
Speaker 2: took him a month to film it, and it was
Speaker 2: It's just like, I don't know, I've never really had
Speaker 2: an addict in my life, but there are scenes where
Speaker 2: I mean I was hysterically crying throughout the days. Oh
Speaker 2: my God, for sure, But then like so impressed with everything,
Speaker 2: and I just and then people that I was telling
Speaker 2: that I was seeing around town were like second season
Speaker 2: sucks and It's like, who are these people?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 2: It was so good and I just don't get people's
Speaker 2: standards or what they're like, what sucks, what's good? It's
Speaker 2: so annoying to me. It really I really enjoyed it.
Speaker 2: I really, yeah.
Speaker 1: I'm so glad I watched. I went to go see
Speaker 1: something I really enjoyed. I went to go see the
Speaker 1: Glass Onion, the Knives Out, and the New Knives Out.
Speaker 3: Moh my god, lucky.
Speaker 4: I guess it was.
Speaker 3: Right up top our our new best friend, Dallas Roberts.
Speaker 1: He is a very small part, but he's married to
Speaker 1: Catherine Han and I feel like he didn't mention that
Speaker 1: to when we asked him, what.
Speaker 3: Are you up to coming up?
Speaker 1: He was never like, I'm gonna be in this star
Speaker 1: studded cinematic event of fucking Christmas twenty twenty two.
Speaker 3: Maybe he didn't. He wasn't allowed to talk about it yet,
Speaker 3: but it was the movie good, so good.
Speaker 1: I famously fell asleep during Knives Out one because I
Speaker 1: was had a new baby and they had wine at
Speaker 1: the theater and warmed seats, and that was like a
Speaker 1: combination for me being unable to stay awake.
Speaker 3: But I did see it later on a plane and
Speaker 3: was like, oh, this is fun.
Speaker 1: I liked it, but I don't know seeing it on
Speaker 1: the big screen that you can only really see it
Speaker 1: on the big screen for like a couple of weeks.
Speaker 1: It's gonna go right to Netflix. It's like they just
Speaker 1: did movie theaters for a week. But it's I loved it.
Speaker 1: We were My husband thought it was better than the
Speaker 1: first one. I really thought it was great. I didn't
Speaker 1: know anything about it going in. I didn't even really
Speaker 1: even know who was in it, so it was so fun.
Speaker 1: When little celebs would pop up, I'd be like, they're
Speaker 1: in this, Like but I saw Dallas and I go
Speaker 1: we interviewed him and I was like, he didn't tell
Speaker 1: us so he had a.
Speaker 3: Small part, but he was, but he was very fun.
Speaker 2: Way you have to bring up the big part of
Speaker 2: Euphoria or girl Martha Kelly. Oh yes, she is as
Speaker 2: chilling as they said. I mean, I was most looking
Speaker 2: forward to seeing her, and I got like, that's the thing.
Speaker 2: Like all of the stuff I was hearing and all
Speaker 2: the press and stuff like, seeing it, I was like
Speaker 2: everyone was dead.
Speaker 3: On she is chilling, evil, casual.
Speaker 2: It's like it's really teaches a lot of lessons. It's
Speaker 2: just like incredible, it really was. There is a lot
Speaker 2: of sex, so like get ready for there's so much dick,
Speaker 2: a lot of dick. Well they showed dick, so many dicks,
Speaker 2: like I would say a minimum of forty.
Speaker 3: Dicks, like teen dicks. Well yeah, but they're not old.
Speaker 1: I know the actors are not teens, but they're supposed
Speaker 1: to be teen dicks.
Speaker 3: Daddy dicks. Photos of dicks, like, yeah, a lot.
Speaker 2: Of dicks, wow wow, a lot of great makeup, a
Speaker 2: lot of fashion. I already followed all of them. I'm
Speaker 2: just like stalking their lives, like yeah, good.
Speaker 3: Enough, And it's funny.
Speaker 2: There's like moments and departures like you vibes where they
Speaker 2: are funny. And she's just like an incredible actress, Like
Speaker 2: no wonder she's won these Emmys, like she really is.
Speaker 3: Zenda Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah no.
Speaker 2: But Martha Kelly's wearing like crocs but is like a
Speaker 2: vicious motherfucker.
Speaker 3: I don't I know.
Speaker 1: That's why I love her so much, like as a
Speaker 1: person but also like on baskets, I loved her and
Speaker 1: I like, I can't believe she's taking this evil turn
Speaker 1: and I need to watch I want to watch.
Speaker 3: It, like for that pretty much.
Speaker 2: But you know how I was really annoyed when people
Speaker 2: are like, if you're a parent, don't watch it, like
Speaker 2: other people can't get sad. But I understand now why
Speaker 2: people say that. Yeah, that's why I'm kind of like.
Speaker 1: But then I also heard I don't know if you're
Speaker 1: gonna like disagree with this, but what I heard was like,
Speaker 1: this is what thirty five year olds think that high
Speaker 1: school is like now, and it's not really what high
Speaker 1: school's like now. Like I was reading something about Euphoria
Speaker 1: where it was like, this is what like the writer
Speaker 1: creator of the show thinks high school is like.
Speaker 3: But it's like not.
Speaker 1: And so when you're watching it as a parent, like,
Speaker 1: don't get too war that like your kid's.
Speaker 3: Gonna be doing Heroin or whatever. But people are.
Speaker 2: It also depends where you grow up in what group there,
Speaker 2: And I'm sure there's a lot of people at Yuphoria
Speaker 2: High School who are not doing all this. But no,
Speaker 2: the writer and creator of the show and who directed
Speaker 2: a lot of it to he was an addict. He
Speaker 2: was a teen addict, and so Ruzandaia's character is him.
Speaker 2: So it's like his experience, and he was saying that
Speaker 2: he really wanted people our age to have more empathy
Speaker 2: for high school students today and that's why it's like
Speaker 2: so much technology and like all the phone stuff, and
Speaker 2: it's like because they feel they're dismissed a lot that generation.
Speaker 3: Like you're annoying or something or this.
Speaker 2: And his goal wasn't even to be like this is
Speaker 2: high school orgies. It was more like to actually like
Speaker 2: feel for these teens and the way they're growing up
Speaker 2: right now. And yeah, but the scenes that are the
Speaker 2: most sad that I think for a parent is like
Speaker 2: you see Ru. You see Ru's mom just like not
Speaker 2: be able to help her who is so addicted to drugs.
Speaker 3: Oh my god. You know who else is good? I
Speaker 3: worked with her Alana Uhbacher.
Speaker 2: She was the best friend and legally blonde, the brunette,
Speaker 2: she's like in everything.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: I worked with her on a pilot that never aired.
Speaker 2: But she's incredible and she plays such a good mom,
Speaker 2: like not a good mom is a good parent, but
Speaker 2: like she's an incredible I just was impressed, like hands down.
Speaker 2: I also think I thought it was gonna be too
Speaker 2: teen like and it wasn't It just was like so impressive. Also,
Speaker 2: I'm looking at it right now. Shout out to the
Speaker 2: woman in Madison who brought me my IVY bag.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much. Oh yes, that was amazing. Have
Speaker 3: you ever amazing? Up and down that?
Speaker 1: I mean truly, Like we get a lot of fun stuff.
Speaker 1: People do needle point, people draw pictures, people bring us joints.
Speaker 3: It's great, they bring presence for Rosie. But the IVY
Speaker 3: bag off the charts, off the charts, and what's funny?
Speaker 2: So like I'm house, I was cat sitting for friends
Speaker 2: while they were out of town for Thanksgiving. Well and
Speaker 2: I got to stay in New York, but I get
Speaker 2: COVID tested for the shoot, you know, and so like
Speaker 2: the the only things on the couch when this COVID
Speaker 2: tester came into the apartment was the IVY bag in
Speaker 2: my laptop.
Speaker 3: So just like a clean apartment.
Speaker 2: I had not even unpacked yet, and it was just
Speaker 2: and I could see him looking at the IVY bag,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, I wonder what he thinks.
Speaker 1: And I thought, there's no reway and hall Lisa is
Speaker 1: going to take this from city to city where she's
Speaker 1: about to keep being living out of a suitcase, and
Speaker 1: she definitely is.
Speaker 3: She figured out away.
Speaker 2: I wrapped it in three clear garbage bags from the
Speaker 2: hotel that we were at, and then I put it
Speaker 2: in a clear, my clear fanny pack.
Speaker 3: Smart, smart, Thank you so much? Is that all I had?
Speaker 2: Am I really living that boring of a life that
Speaker 2: it was just like euphoria and an IV bag?
Speaker 3: And then I'm done?
Speaker 1: Yeah? We had Thanksgiving and I took my couch to
Speaker 1: a farm.
Speaker 3: Thanksgiving was fun.
Speaker 1: I just watched five kids tear my house apart, and
Speaker 1: then I took my kids to a farm so they
Speaker 1: could like pet animals. My my son is like truly
Speaker 1: addicted to this baby Instagram animals thing that I that
Speaker 1: I show them Sometimes when he's like freaking out, I'll
Speaker 1: just be like, want to look at baby animals And
Speaker 1: we just look at baby And now he's grabbing my
Speaker 1: phone on the type of going animals animals, and I'm like.
Speaker 3: Oscar, stop, like you're addicted. You can't. I can't have you.
Speaker 1: Like addicted to screens this quick. And so I've been
Speaker 1: trying to wean him off of it. But I took
Speaker 1: him to a real farm, and I didn't realize it's
Speaker 1: like this cool farm sanctuary.
Speaker 3: I didn't realize it's like kind of.
Speaker 1: Related like Joaquin Phoenix like saved a cow from a
Speaker 1: factory that lives there. We saw the cow, They're like,
Speaker 1: this is the Joaquin Phoenix cow. And I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't know what you're talking about. And then they
Speaker 1: like told us and it was this cool it's a sanctuary.
Speaker 1: It's like called farm Sanctuary and they like help animals
Speaker 1: and they but I didn't realize that they like take
Speaker 1: you on a tour and tell you like all the
Speaker 1: horrors of the meat industry, and like I already don't
Speaker 1: eat meat, but like my kids are on this tour,
Speaker 1: and I think the guy's trying to like soup like breasts.
Speaker 1: How horrific it is at like chicken plants or like
Speaker 1: at like animals that are bred with antibiotics for farm
Speaker 1: like whatever and farmed out or whatever. And Oscar and
Speaker 1: Rosie are just like like making so much noise and
Speaker 1: but it was really cute and Rosie got to touch
Speaker 1: a pig and a cow and she was happy and
Speaker 1: a sheep, but not the birds.
Speaker 3: Because of avian flu.
Speaker 1: The birds we went we saw them all from Afar
Speaker 1: the chickens and the turkeys.
Speaker 2: Martha Kelly's character in Euphoria has a bunch of parakeets
Speaker 2: that squawk or well, no, that's not what they're called.
Speaker 2: What are the parrots? Parrots not parents? Yeah, is that
Speaker 2: the same thing?
Speaker 1: Well, I always think of a parakeet as like a
Speaker 1: smaller parrot, but I think they're kind of similar. But
Speaker 1: I could be that could be a thing I made
Speaker 1: up in my mind because of the way the words
Speaker 1: sound similar. But yeah, oh, we were talking also about
Speaker 1: we were talking about like a bad article recently when
Speaker 1: we were recording another episode.
Speaker 3: And did you see do you happen to see this?
Speaker 1: Like LA Magazine, which I usually respect and think LA
Speaker 1: Magazine is like a great publication and like I always
Speaker 1: want them to like post about how my comedy.
Speaker 3: Show is good.
Speaker 1: They released this article over like right before Thanksgiving about
Speaker 1: this woman. This famously happened in like Hidden Hills. This
Speaker 1: woman lives next door to like Laurie McLaughlin from Aunt
Speaker 1: Becky from Full House, the one who did like you know,
Speaker 1: Operation Varsity Blues or whatever.
Speaker 3: So all these rich people.
Speaker 1: No, no, Laurie McLaughlin, Laurie Laughlin got it, Laurie metcalf
Speaker 1: is from Roseanne. No Laurie Laughlin, I said MacLaughlin, but
Speaker 1: it's Laughlin. She's her husband is like Massimo, the guy
Speaker 1: that's in all the like targets or whatever.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like they're most famous for the scandal.
Speaker 1: The scandal, but that's how they have their money is
Speaker 1: from the Massa. So she lives in This woman was
Speaker 1: living in this like hidden Hills, saying she was driving
Speaker 1: her Mercedes, she was drunk, she was going eighty miles
Speaker 1: an hour in a forty five and she hit two
Speaker 1: little boys and killed them. Okay, this fucking woman. And
Speaker 1: LA magazine does a full fucking profile on her with
Speaker 1: photographs of her looking down about how her life was
Speaker 1: destroyed in an instant and how her dream life has
Speaker 1: become a nightmare. And it was like everybody on Twitter
Speaker 1: was like what the fuck is going on here? Like
Speaker 1: how are you writing this article about this woman who
Speaker 1: fully made choices that took the lives of two children,
Speaker 1: Like they were just on their bikes with their family
Speaker 1: on a family walk and like died because this woman
Speaker 1: had to get bombed and drive eighty down residential streets.
Speaker 3: And we're doing an LA magazine.
Speaker 1: Article about how like that literally there's a part about
Speaker 1: how her and another car we're like racing each other
Speaker 1: and the author called it a frisky game of cat
Speaker 1: and mouse. It's like, please, don't use the word frisky
Speaker 1: in an article right before you talk about how two
Speaker 1: little boys died. So that was just like really making
Speaker 1: me crazy. And I wasn't sure if you saw it.
Speaker 1: I just go was surprised LA mag because that's how
Speaker 1: was Lri Laughlin involved.
Speaker 3: They are neighbors.
Speaker 1: God, So that just like gives you a little background
Speaker 1: on like the privilege and the kind of neighborhood it
Speaker 1: is in LA It's like a hidden hills or whatever.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and of course she is only thinking about herself,
Speaker 2: not two dead children that she Yeah, is she in jail,
Speaker 2: that's the thing.
Speaker 1: She's awaiting her trial, like her trial's about to start.
Speaker 1: And I was like, how did you fucking you must
Speaker 1: have had to pay all the money in the world
Speaker 1: to get a notable publication to do this puff piece
Speaker 1: about you and how you're good or how you're like
Speaker 1: just like friends with an editor.
Speaker 6: You're like a.
Speaker 1: Regular person who but like everybody was like tweeting at
Speaker 1: the magazine, tweeting at the author, like, how could you
Speaker 1: guys do? Like if I was a journalist, I'd be like,
Speaker 1: you guys gotta put la magstaff. I'm not gonna like
Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta like make this generic, like I
Speaker 1: can't have my name on this like crazy crazy Anyway.
Speaker 2: Well, Laura Laughlin just reminds me of fucking Candae Cameron.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and she can go kick rocks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then they it's just like what bothers me
Speaker 2: too is now people call her out and she's like,
Speaker 2: I love people of all different It's like, you don't
Speaker 2: just say you're a fucking homophobe, you dumb back, and
Speaker 2: that's why you didn't want to hang out with Jojo Seawatt.
Speaker 3: Listen, I fucking hate religious people.
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Speaker 3: And now stay where you are. Our episode is beginning.
Speaker 2: Okay, we're doing the episode Perverted, Season eleven, episode nine.
Speaker 3: Any initial thoughts, Karra, This is a wild one. This
Speaker 3: is a twisty one. You know. Is that a song
Speaker 3: Dona Donna was a wild one? Is that a song?
Speaker 1: Uh? Yeah, it's a csong were the Wild Ones? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's called wild Ones. Yeah, perfection.
Speaker 2: We open up on a statue and it's like there
Speaker 2: are birds and it looks like Ariel the cartoon Little
Speaker 2: Mermaid's Dad aka Got of the Sea, but like right,
Speaker 2: but not really but there's also a hell element to it.
Speaker 2: So we hear a man's voice and he like as
Speaker 2: a voice over, and he's obsessed with the statue, and
Speaker 2: the woman with him is like, I really don't give
Speaker 2: a shit about the statue. She's like, sure, it's interesting,
Speaker 2: and then we see it's a whole family, and the
Speaker 2: dad asked the daughter what she thinks, and she says,
Speaker 2: I think we should take the subway and get mugged.
Speaker 2: So something interesting happens on this trip and it's like, bitch,
Speaker 2: do you not know you're on SV.
Speaker 3: I don't say that.
Speaker 2: The dad then starts reading about the statue. It's a
Speaker 2: peace fountain, good over evil, violence and harmony, light and darkness,
Speaker 2: life and death. And the girl's like, what's that and
Speaker 2: the mom's like, that's the devil and she's like, no,
Speaker 2: that and points to a dead body, and we do
Speaker 2: see a dead body. There's tattoos, bald leather vest, biker
Speaker 2: vibes from a distance, and now we're at work, okay,
Speaker 2: and we got Melinda Benson's stable or iced tea full
Speaker 2: house we're at we're at the scene of the crime.
Speaker 2: And Benson's like, okay, whoever called this is whoever called
Speaker 2: this crime in is a fucking comedian. They said they
Speaker 2: found a sexually mutilated tree hugger, and it is funny
Speaker 2: and accurate. This guy is bloody on his crotch area.
Speaker 2: He is very bloody, tied to the tree pants around
Speaker 2: the ankles. So then Melinda then continues and she goes,
Speaker 2: someone did some illegal pruning, left the berries chop, the
Speaker 2: branch clean off. So we know this is gonna be
Speaker 2: a classic Neil Brear extravaganza, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: Like it's all fun and game. Still, someone loses a penis. Yes, yes,
Speaker 2: So Sabler asks if it could be a trophy, and
Speaker 2: Melinda's like, honestly, I thought it was that too, but
Speaker 2: CSU saw a squirrel run up a tree with the dick, so.
Speaker 3: I says, I thought squirrels preferred nuts.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 3: Oh, I mean, we're hitting so many laughlines already. We're
Speaker 3: a minute in.
Speaker 2: Sabler fakes laughs and then he says, well, our guy
Speaker 2: is huge, so there must have been more than one attacker,
Speaker 2: And Melinda's like, I don't know, because there's two holes
Speaker 2: in the shirt, which means he's tasered and he was
Speaker 2: he has the logo of his motorcycle club on his person,
Speaker 2: so they know he belongs or belonged to the Death Knights,
Speaker 2: which is an outlaw gang outside of the East Village,
Speaker 2: says iced tea drug running, prostitution, contract killing, you know, classic.
Speaker 2: And then they find this man's ID and it's Clyde
Speaker 2: van Dine does that rhyme or not?
Speaker 3: I can't tell, and it sounds good.
Speaker 2: It's a poetic name, and so that's the name on
Speaker 2: the ID and Stabl's like, who did you piss off?
Speaker 2: And Finn Is like, well, have you ever lived questioned
Speaker 2: this guy in a rape case or domestic And Stabler's
Speaker 2: like I don't think so why and fing goes, well,
Speaker 2: then what's he doing with Olivia's card?
Speaker 3: Done?
Speaker 2: Done, boom, So it's credits. We arrive at Benson's apartment.
Speaker 2: She's walking up to the door, she opens it and
Speaker 2: Stabler's right there, and then Marishka's walking back into the apartment.
Speaker 2: We noticed she's sick, and then Stabler goes, you look terrible.
Speaker 1: Sure, Stabler like just what everyone needs to hear when
Speaker 1: they have the flu.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: She grabs the file out of his hands and is
Speaker 2: like this guy he then says, yep, this biker with
Speaker 2: this myth.
Speaker 3: He said, this is so funny.
Speaker 2: He then says, yep, the biker with the missing kickstand am,
Speaker 2: and I feel like this is rivaling the episode Sick
Speaker 2: the Michael Jackson one in terms of like how funny,
Speaker 2: how many funny lines?
Speaker 3: There are so many.
Speaker 2: He asked if she has been to the doctor, and
Speaker 2: it's like Benson won't even get protective detail when people
Speaker 2: are actively trying to murder her. She did not go
Speaker 2: to the doctor, sir. And so she's not gone to
Speaker 2: the doctor. And she does not recognize Clyde. She suggests
Speaker 2: maybe he found her card on one of their victims
Speaker 2: and assumed maybe she talked and he messed her up,
Speaker 2: and then instead of going back to the cops, she
Speaker 2: got revenge. That's a wild first guess.
Speaker 3: Four things had to happen for this to happen, Like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what, she's really created a narrative.
Speaker 3: Stabler's like, I'll figure it out.
Speaker 2: You rest up, and then Stabler touches her and goes
Speaker 2: fuck you. But she's like, oh, I only have progress,
Speaker 2: Like I'm at I was at one O two, I'm
Speaker 2: at one O one right now. But Stave Butlero cares
Speaker 2: about her, so he starts filling up a tea kettle
Speaker 2: to make her some tea. And the apartments is different
Speaker 2: than the apartment in my head. And now I'm like,
Speaker 2: how many apartments have we seen of Lives three? I know,
Speaker 2: I don't know they they kind of I can't remember,
Speaker 2: Like they never really say whether she moves, but like I've.
Speaker 3: Only remember having a door one.
Speaker 1: She has a doorman in more recent seasons, like in
Speaker 1: teen seasons, but I don't know if she did back
Speaker 1: in this day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to if any of our moles on
Speaker 2: the inside want to talk to set design or we
Speaker 2: just have to have someone on I just or if
Speaker 2: you're a super fan.
Speaker 3: And you know you just know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm really curious the apartments of Olivia Ben's.
Speaker 1: Because like, was it the one we just did with
Speaker 1: the serial Killer and Shannon Woodward where they're like all
Speaker 1: units to Benson's apartment and like everyone just knows where
Speaker 1: it is, Like they don't like say what the address is.
Speaker 1: Like everyone's like, oh shit, yeah, we've all partied to
Speaker 1: Benson's apartment.
Speaker 3: We know where that.
Speaker 2: I mean, she just needed protective detail. Seventeen times they
Speaker 2: got that address. So then while he's making tea, she's like, wait,
Speaker 2: so this happened outside of Saint John's, Like.
Speaker 3: Did Clyde worship there? Like what's going on?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 3: Like why is it outside the church?
Speaker 2: And he opens her fridge and is like, ugh, you
Speaker 2: have no food and it's like, bitch, this is New
Speaker 2: York and she doesn't have a family of five, like,
Speaker 2: and she's like, have you never heard of a thing
Speaker 2: called delivery? And it's like, yeah, get away from us.
Speaker 2: On her coffee table there's a candle in fresh lavender flowers.
Speaker 2: I love that Benson is into self care. He then
Speaker 2: finds brochures on her counter and is like, oh wait,
Speaker 2: were you planning on an island vacation? And she snatches
Speaker 2: them and he's like, stop snooping, you dumb it. But
Speaker 2: they see that he has a record he had a
Speaker 2: brawl at a bike expo, but nothing that was related
Speaker 2: to SVU, so they really don't know how he has
Speaker 2: Olivia's card. So then Stabler's being kind of creepy and
Speaker 2: he's like, let's get you to bed, and to me,
Speaker 2: I'm like, mind your business. Let her watch the price
Speaker 2: is right, let her stay on the couch, like, go
Speaker 2: fuck yourself.
Speaker 3: Can she just watch the view in peace?
Speaker 2: Like she has to go sleep and drink tea and
Speaker 2: have groceries. Benson then warns him and is like, bite,
Speaker 2: gangs don't play nice. Watch out, and he says that
Speaker 2: Finn's already at the clubhouse.
Speaker 3: So we jumped to the clubhouse. Lol.
Speaker 2: Munch is there and we just hear his voice say
Speaker 2: what's wrong with you people? And then a man who
Speaker 2: looks like Colin Quinn with a Lord four quad wig
Speaker 2: and Denham cut off shirt and a leather vest, and
Speaker 2: he only cares about pool. He's like, you're blocking must
Speaker 2: shot and Munch is like, dude, if someone caught off
Speaker 2: my friend's dick, I would try to find out who
Speaker 2: did it, loyal friend. And you know what that Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'll do that too for my friends. If your dick's
Speaker 2: get chopped off, we're gonna get to the bottom of it.
Speaker 2: I'll join the search party for the dick. And then
Speaker 2: they act so tough, like all these bikers act so tough,
Speaker 2: but it's like you guys are in drag, Like you're
Speaker 2: straight up doing drag. Yeah, you're putting on a little
Speaker 2: costume and Froom rooming through the streets and leather like
Speaker 2: it's kind of humiliating but cool. And then this other
Speaker 2: biker in a raspy voice, goes, we're gonna handle this
Speaker 2: in house.
Speaker 3: We're not talking to the cops.
Speaker 2: Munchie and Finn says, cool, We'll just make sure to
Speaker 2: have eyes on you.
Speaker 3: Twenty four to seven.
Speaker 2: Then oh my god, Munch is like, did you know
Speaker 2: there's a grammar mistake on your logo?
Speaker 3: An extraneous apostrophe.
Speaker 2: So Munch is the Kara today, that's me, that is you,
Speaker 2: And that upsets the biker with the bangs and he goes, listen, Skeletor,
Speaker 2: get your bony ass out of here before someone mistakes
Speaker 2: you for a pool stick, Like.
Speaker 1: Where are these lines today? We never get anything like
Speaker 1: this anymore. It's so funny. Listen, Skeletor, Like, I'm.
Speaker 2: No, I honestly, I you know, I'll watch forever. There's
Speaker 2: amazing episodes. I love a lot of the characters, but
Speaker 2: there's something missing.
Speaker 3: And I think it's Neil Bear, yeah, and Munch a
Speaker 3: little bit, but.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I think it's the I think it's the
Speaker 2: dynamic of Munch and say, like the dynamic of all
Speaker 2: the actors, of course, but the granddaddy of it all
Speaker 2: that I think.
Speaker 3: Was really digging that humor was Neil. I don't I
Speaker 3: don't know. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So anyways, Finn comes in to smooth it over and
Speaker 2: he's like, guys, guys, we're just here to make a
Speaker 2: notification and we're not leaving without Clyde's address. They do
Speaker 2: not cooperate. The detectives leave with no scoop. He says,
Speaker 2: they'll never talk to us as a group. We got
Speaker 2: to get one like away from the herd. And then
Speaker 2: at this moment a biker room rooms up and Munch
Speaker 2: is like, nice, maybe we can get him. He asks
Speaker 2: for his license and registration and he's like, bitch for
Speaker 2: what and they say that he drove up like a
Speaker 2: motorized vehicle onto a sidewalk and he's like, yeah, but
Speaker 2: I did that because that dumb ass horror is parked there.
Speaker 3: And Munch goes, don't insult Bessie, and so.
Speaker 2: I guess he calls his car Bessie and he goes
Speaker 2: fork over the goods and this guy looks like he
Speaker 2: straightens his hair and then much looks at the id
Speaker 2: then calls him Timothy, and he's like, the name is
Speaker 2: t Bone, and it's.
Speaker 6: Like it's so funny.
Speaker 2: You're like George Costanza, you know, like this is ridiculous.
Speaker 2: Finn then notices and goes, hey, wrong, id you need
Speaker 2: a class M to have a motorcycle?
Speaker 3: So come with us Bone.
Speaker 2: As Finn and Munch bring this guy in handcuffed, Craigan
Speaker 2: meets them in a hallway and says, fifteen of you
Speaker 2: against one defenseless girl. He says, sounds good, sign me up.
Speaker 2: Then Munch says, these knuckle draggers have a website, so
Speaker 2: now we see it's on a monitor. And the Dead
Speaker 2: Knights they have a website and they put up a
Speaker 2: video and it's a girl passed out getting banged by
Speaker 2: a biker in front of a group of cheering bikers.
Speaker 3: And he's not.
Speaker 2: Scared of the cops because he didn't do anything wrong,
Speaker 2: and Starlow was just laying back and enjoying it, he says,
Speaker 2: and Finn is like, nope, she's passed out so she
Speaker 2: can't give consents. So you're actually gonna have all your
Speaker 2: little biker meetings in lock up because that's where people
Speaker 2: go for rape. And he's like simmer down steroid boy
Speaker 2: to Stabler and explains it was all in good fun,
Speaker 2: and then Craigan's famous line, Cara, you want to take
Speaker 2: it away?
Speaker 1: It's all fun and games until someone loses a penis.
Speaker 2: So the video we're looking at is from when Clyde
Speaker 2: came back from prison. Starla was his welcome home present
Speaker 2: and he was late, and so they got bored, and
Speaker 2: then they're like, so he didn't mind sloppy fifteenth and
Speaker 2: he's like, nah, he was in jail for five years
Speaker 2: with no stink. I like hate that, And actually he
Speaker 2: likes her a lot and made her his old lady,
Speaker 2: big step up from a mama. So a mama is
Speaker 2: a sheep. They're there for anyone to use. So it's
Speaker 2: a big upgrade actually being someone's old lady because then
Speaker 2: people care about you, because no one cares about sheeps.
Speaker 2: Craigan says, well, now we do tell me where she is,
Speaker 2: and He's like, why would I do that? And Craigan's like, well,
Speaker 2: if not her word, then I'm locking her ass up
Speaker 2: for rape. He does not like the sound of that.
Speaker 2: So we cut to Stabler trying to kick down a
Speaker 2: door and failing, so he groans and makes a call
Speaker 2: and says Starla's not home. But as he's walking out
Speaker 2: of like the apartment building, Starla's walking up into the
Speaker 2: apartment unit and she sees him. She starts to bolt,
Speaker 2: but before she runs away. We noticed she's from Orange
Speaker 2: Is the New Black. Hello, it's Emma Miles and she
Speaker 2: played Leanne Taylor, the meth racist but silly vibes like
Speaker 2: one of the frickin' fracks of the meth community in
Speaker 2: the prison show.
Speaker 3: Like kind of they were like the eels from Little Mermaid.
Speaker 3: He yet fletsam and jetsam.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's also Emma has also been in three other
Speaker 2: SBUs So. She was played Carlene Jenkins in American Dream
Speaker 2: and Sanctuary like a double episode, and her first episode
Speaker 2: was Haunted and she played Lizzie Jones and I watched
Speaker 2: it and she plays another addict, So I think she
Speaker 2: has a type cast.
Speaker 3: I'm a girl.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I go a high audition for girls who love
Speaker 2: lunch and she goes out for drug addicts, girls who
Speaker 2: love meth, girls.
Speaker 3: Who love meth.
Speaker 2: Sailor's like, I just want to talk and she tries
Speaker 2: to run but falls and that's that and so she
Speaker 2: is not okay, and she's like, my old man was
Speaker 2: killed yesterday and now I'm getting busted. He says, listen
Speaker 2: to me, if you had anything to do with his murder,
Speaker 2: I'd understand, and she's like, are you high? Why would
Speaker 2: I kill Clyde and walks off, and he says he
Speaker 2: watched the gang rape, but she says it was not rape.
Speaker 2: And her job for the crew now is that she
Speaker 2: works in a city clerk's office. And he's like, but
Speaker 2: you're stealing blank birth certificates, so let's go.
Speaker 3: So they walk into her apartment.
Speaker 2: She says she doesn't know what they do with the documents,
Speaker 2: but she just does what she's told. She takes off
Speaker 2: her blazer and calls it a monkey suit, and she
Speaker 2: has a tattoo that says property of the Death Knights.
Speaker 2: She says it means I belong and he says it
Speaker 2: means they own you. And she's like, hey, it got
Speaker 2: me out of Sturgis, South Dakota, and to earn a
Speaker 2: right to New York. She had a train pulled on
Speaker 2: her and then Stabler gives the Urban Dictionary of train
Speaker 2: He's like, so you had sex with them one after
Speaker 2: another and it's like, yeah, like you both know what's up.
Speaker 2: This is just for us, Like I love that he's
Speaker 2: explaining it. She's legit is like, yeah, that's that's the definition.
Speaker 2: And I just told you what I did, like I didn't. Yeah,
Speaker 2: ever wrote like I didn't pull a chew chew train
Speaker 2: with my body strength, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 2: like he's making sure that she wasn't just in a
Speaker 2: strong man competition. But then she adds, yeah, anyway, they
Speaker 2: want it, and she's nineteen and this is all kind
Speaker 2: of a bummer and Stabler's like, I know you want
Speaker 2: out of this. So then Stabler asks, when have you
Speaker 2: spoken to Olivia Benson. She goes she has not, and
Speaker 2: he's actually the first pig that she's ever had to sit.
Speaker 3: Down with again funny yeah.
Speaker 2: So then he's like, okay, but what was Clyde doing
Speaker 2: with her card? And she says he didn't get it
Speaker 2: from her and then asks where his hog is and
Speaker 2: he says, well, not at a clubhouse or the crime
Speaker 2: scene or outside, and she's like ugh. So then she says,
Speaker 2: when he was done slapping her around last night, he
Speaker 2: rode off on the hog. So that was the last
Speaker 2: time she laid eyes on either one of him or
Speaker 2: the bike, and then she cries and says, I loved
Speaker 2: that bike, Like it's so funny.
Speaker 1: Also, I don't think we gave enough time to Stabler
Speaker 1: trying to kick that door open and not being able
Speaker 1: to it was so funny. He was like, either these
Speaker 1: doors are getting tougher or I'm getting older, And it's like.
Speaker 3: I like that. Once we get to see him kick
Speaker 3: it and nothing.
Speaker 1: Fucking happens except he goes, how so funny.
Speaker 3: Well, it was like a steel door, It wasn't would Yeah,
Speaker 3: these are like bikers. I think they fucking know how
Speaker 3: to like keep it like you know.
Speaker 2: And it also looked like an industrial like building, a
Speaker 2: factory turned into lofts.
Speaker 3: Yeah, type of situation.
Speaker 2: So to Stabler walking into the squad room and Cragan's
Speaker 2: informing him that they found Clyde's bike.
Speaker 3: So there.
Speaker 2: Someone witnessed a hit and run. It was at one
Speaker 2: hundred and thirteenth in Amsterdam. He said, a crazy brunette
Speaker 2: hit him and ran and was driving a black Bustang
Speaker 2: and he got part of the license plate and the
Speaker 2: guy on the call had to go and they go
Speaker 2: through people with partial plates and one of the partial
Speaker 2: plates is Olivia Benson.
Speaker 3: So she has a car. I'm concised he has a
Speaker 3: black lust.
Speaker 2: He's confused, like everyone's confused by this. So now Craigan
Speaker 2: and Benson are in her parking garage walking and we're
Speaker 2: looking at a picture of Starla while they walk and talk,
Speaker 2: and Benson's like, no, I've never seen her before. And
Speaker 2: Benson is sad that she's going to jail because she
Speaker 2: is a rape victim. And Cragan's like, you don't understand
Speaker 2: how much personal access, like how much personal info she
Speaker 2: had access to.
Speaker 3: In the clerk's office.
Speaker 2: But Benson's still pissed, like these abused women are put
Speaker 2: up to do these tasks and then take the fall
Speaker 2: for these men.
Speaker 3: It sucks.
Speaker 2: It's our old school slogan, don't go to jail for
Speaker 2: a man. We haven't said that a while. Do not
Speaker 2: go to jail for a man. Oh, this might be
Speaker 2: the first time Casey has heard that. That was a
Speaker 2: big deal when we first started. I think we would
Speaker 2: say that a lot. But yeah, we're all shocks.
Speaker 3: She has a car.
Speaker 2: It's a sixty five to eighty nine convertible, and Craigan
Speaker 2: is like huh, and she's like, listen, I had a
Speaker 2: midlife crisis moment, so I bought it. And then we see,
Speaker 2: uh oh, the front of the car is fucked up
Speaker 2: and it did hit something. And she's like, oh my god.
Speaker 2: But she hasn't driven the car in a month. But
Speaker 2: he says, well, someone did, and he immediately turns on her.
Speaker 2: It's quite crazy, really, like he knows her so well,
Speaker 2: but right away he's suspicious of her. And she says, well, yes,
Speaker 2: I've been a parking attendant and he's like, well, that's
Speaker 2: a real coincidence, don't you.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: He just yeah, he turned on really fucking quick. He
Speaker 3: really does. And she's dumbfounded.
Speaker 2: So csus to come down and he has to notify iab.
Speaker 2: She says I didn't do this, and he says, I
Speaker 2: believe you. He says, just go home, get over the flu,
Speaker 2: take a couple days, but she's obviously stressed.
Speaker 3: She's sick and she's back to work. Baby.
Speaker 2: She refuses to stay home and stay we's like okay, hi,
Speaker 2: and she's like and he breaks in the case and
Speaker 2: Munch is like, we can't talk to you about the case. Uh,
Speaker 2: Craigan's orders and she looks him up and down and
Speaker 2: is like, someone is framing me, So fill me in
Speaker 2: on the details that don't involve me. Stabler informs Benson
Speaker 2: that they found a knife in the trash bin on
Speaker 2: the scene of the crime. No Prince, but two different
Speaker 2: types of blood, and Cyper is running the DNA. Stabler
Speaker 2: tries to relax her and be like, there are twenty
Speaker 2: five other partial plate matches, and she's like, and how
Speaker 2: many of them are brunettes with front damage to their cars.
Speaker 2: Finn mentions Stabler are like, Benson, we don't think you
Speaker 2: did this. She's like, yeah, right, you should have seen
Speaker 2: the looks I got downstairs coming in here. Much of
Speaker 2: all people tells her not to be paranoid. Okay, you know,
Speaker 2: because he's always paranoid. Oh yeah, so's He says, Is
Speaker 2: there another saying that's not pot calling the kettle black?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 3: Is there another saying that means the same thing?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 3: Is that the only option we have?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 1: I'm sure there are other ones, but now they're of
Speaker 1: course not coming to my mind right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wonder let us know if you guys know
Speaker 2: of any other sayings. So anyways, he says, it's not
Speaker 2: about the case, babe, it's you look contagious and we
Speaker 2: don't really want you here.
Speaker 3: So that's a good one.
Speaker 2: And I can't tell if those are tears of stress
Speaker 2: or sick or during the flu. Your eyes look wet.
Speaker 2: But she is not doing well and she's back to work.
Speaker 2: Can we trace the nine one one call? Or what?
Speaker 3: We trace the nine one one call?
Speaker 2: And it's a person Khalil Asad And she wants to
Speaker 2: go with and Stabler won't let her, and she gives
Speaker 2: him a really hurt look and goes, yeah, I know
Speaker 2: I'm the prime suspect. So anyway, so she runs off
Speaker 2: and they're like, where are you going? And she yells
Speaker 2: to clear my name. And now we cut to a
Speaker 2: dead body. Benson's in a gray zippy hoodie with a
Speaker 2: black leather jacket, which to me is like the hottest
Speaker 2: look of all time, and she's standing over the body
Speaker 2: and Melinda walks in Olivia, I just sent over the
Speaker 2: autopsy report.
Speaker 3: You could have saved a trip.
Speaker 2: But Benson's like, so, did you find anything to identify
Speaker 2: the killer? She goes, well, the mouth was taped at
Speaker 2: some point. The wound has undulating borders, not serrated which
Speaker 2: is consistent with the knife they found. And also they
Speaker 2: cut his femoral artery, so he suffered but bled out quickly. Melinda,
Speaker 2: after giving some horrific details, is like, so are you okay?
Speaker 2: And she's like, I actually came by to ask you
Speaker 2: a favor, and Melinda answers, I don't have a miracle
Speaker 2: cure for this flu. Sadly, she said, no, I just
Speaker 2: need you to take a DNA swab from me.
Speaker 3: But like, don't they have cops DNA? I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know because for the bar exam, I mean
Speaker 2: they take lawyers DNA, So like, why wouldn't they take I.
Speaker 3: Think they take your fingerprints. Do they take your DNA?
Speaker 3: I don't know. I wonder.
Speaker 2: I was confused why they wouldn't already have the DNA.
Speaker 2: But anyways, so you know, she gives the DNA, she
Speaker 2: gives her a concerned look, and we end that scene
Speaker 2: on Melinda's face. The next scene, we're at Columbia University
Speaker 2: poopen Hall, Puppin' peppine whatever.
Speaker 3: We're at a hall.
Speaker 2: It's November tenth, and I wonder if the detectives found
Speaker 2: time to vote during this week of investigating.
Speaker 3: You're always looking at the dates. I can't stop now.
Speaker 2: It's it's yeah, I'm looking at decor, I'm looking at art,
Speaker 2: I'm looking at dates. But it is science class. It's
Speaker 2: about like a space and sun. Some man is lecturing,
Speaker 2: and Fin and Munch creep into the classroom, and once
Speaker 2: class is dismissed and the students are starting to put
Speaker 2: their shit together, the detectives are like, which one of
Speaker 2: you is Khalil Lesade And.
Speaker 3: We see him.
Speaker 2: I guess he's been really hard to track down, but
Speaker 2: it's also only been like a day, so I don't
Speaker 2: know what's going on. He blamed not answering their calls
Speaker 2: on his heavy class load, and then they're like, hey, bro,
Speaker 2: why did you have that accent in the nine to
Speaker 2: one one call? So he has an accent, and he
Speaker 2: said he didn't make the call. A stranger pulled up
Speaker 2: in a car and said he saw the crime, but
Speaker 2: his battery was dead and asked to use his cell phone.
Speaker 2: This was at a subway at one sixteenth, so it's
Speaker 2: three blocks from the crime.
Speaker 3: What did he look like?
Speaker 2: White dude five ten to six feet with brown hair
Speaker 2: and nicely dressed, and it's like, fuck, that's tough, and
Speaker 2: obviously that is not like a very descriptive thing.
Speaker 3: I'll help them like an average man.
Speaker 2: But he might have been driving a silver Mercedes, but
Speaker 2: we didn't notice the plate, so it doesn't really make sense.
Speaker 2: So he saw the crime, he sped off, then stopped
Speaker 2: for a call and had enough time to see Liv's
Speaker 2: tax and Craigan's like, okay, we got to start thinking
Speaker 2: the alternative is true, and Finn is like, live didn't
Speaker 2: do this, And any news on the car, he asks,
Speaker 2: and nope, we're still waiting on that. There is no
Speaker 2: update on the car, and the footage and the garage
Speaker 2: recycles every twenty four hours, and to me, it's like, then,
Speaker 2: what's the point, what's the point of having security Within
Speaker 2: twenty four hours.
Speaker 3: It's taken away.
Speaker 2: Crazy, Yeah, Like, if you're out of town in a
Speaker 2: crimes committ you're just out of luck.
Speaker 3: It's so stupid.
Speaker 2: So that of course sucks because we can't prove that
Speaker 2: she didn't take the car out that night, and Finn
Speaker 2: says someone is setting her up. Now we cut to
Speaker 2: Olivia in the same gray hoodie going through files and
Speaker 2: Craigan marches out of his office and is like, didn't
Speaker 2: I order you to bed rest? And she's like, I
Speaker 2: gotta find a connection to Clyde and someone that also
Speaker 2: knew about my car. But Craigan's concerned because he's like,
Speaker 2: there's thousands of cases, like you're going to go through
Speaker 2: all of them, and she's like, and she just believes
Speaker 2: it has to be through a victim. She goes, it
Speaker 2: has to be through a victim. Victims always hold something back,
Speaker 2: and Craigan's not buying it, like, really they would hide
Speaker 2: a bike gang. She tells a story about how one
Speaker 2: time shit a woman that like during the rape exam,
Speaker 2: they found crystal meth on her, so like maybe Clyde
Speaker 2: dealt her mess. And Craigan says, I'll have your partner
Speaker 2: follow up on these. Please go home and rest. So
Speaker 2: now we're back at the biker gang and it's just
Speaker 2: like so lame and over. So they pan on all
Speaker 2: the bikers and we hear Stabler on a phone call
Speaker 2: with his wife and he's like, caf gotta work late
Speaker 2: that He's like, oh shit, that's tonight, and then he's like, well,
Speaker 2: I went to Elizabeth's last school play, Diary of Van Frank.
Speaker 2: I was there opening night and it's like, is the
Speaker 2: Junior High doing a hole a talented group of young actors,
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 3: Shoosh.
Speaker 2: While he's chatting the biker from the beginning of this episode,
Speaker 2: you know Colin Quinn but not and then I eventually
Speaker 2: find out there are two men. So I thought this
Speaker 2: Lord four quad is the whole time, but this guy
Speaker 2: is actually a different biker. But I got confused. I've
Speaker 2: been confused a lot throughout this whole episode. So while
Speaker 2: he's chatting, the biker comes and he starts pouring a
Speaker 2: forty on the hood of Stabler's cop car, and he goes, Babe, Babe.
Speaker 3: I gotta guy.
Speaker 2: So Stabler says, drop the bottle, and he says, I'll
Speaker 2: put it up your ass and stop messing with my brothers.
Speaker 2: And then and then he like tries to punch he misses,
Speaker 2: and Stabler then bends him over the hood of the
Speaker 2: car and is like, what are you a moron? He goes,
Speaker 2: I'm undercover, watch your back, and a bunch of leather
Speaker 2: Daddy's approached. So then Stabler flashes his badge and they're like,
Speaker 2: they know you're a cop, You're in a Crown vic
Speaker 2: you were They know they know he's been there. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you're like. So they're like, he's like, what's the color
Speaker 2: of the day, and he does know the color. It
Speaker 2: is indigo and I'm at a hotel indigo right now. Coincidence,
Speaker 2: I think not. His partner is running surveillance in the
Speaker 2: parking garage and he's like, go meet him in an
Speaker 2: hour and he'll find he'll fill you in.
Speaker 3: So he uncuffs him and throws.
Speaker 2: The guy back at the guys because he has to
Speaker 2: go to his kid's school play and it's like, you
Speaker 2: don't have to tell them you have kids, Like, you
Speaker 2: don't have to fill the biker gang in on your schedule,
Speaker 2: and he's like, I don't want you know, this is
Speaker 2: your only free past, guys. I don't want to do paperwork.
Speaker 2: And then the guys are like bite me, and the
Speaker 2: boys are like, good one, dude, they're so lame. So
Speaker 2: now stablers with a stressed out cop who's like, you
Speaker 2: could have ruined our investigation. He goes, I can't believe
Speaker 2: the genevest guy would do this to us, and he's
Speaker 2: like we've been stalking them for six months. So yeah,
Speaker 2: he's just like describing their investigation he's like, there's a
Speaker 2: gun drop happening. They're gonna be selling cranks. Something's happening
Speaker 2: next week. And it's like a man's penis was ripped
Speaker 2: off of his body. Okay, Like I don't know if
Speaker 2: this gun sale is more important at the moment, but
Speaker 2: he does throw Stabler a bone and says that Clyde
Speaker 2: didn't have bad blood with anybody in the gang, and
Speaker 2: then he asks, like, did the name Olivia Benson ever
Speaker 2: come up? And then he picks up an open file
Speaker 2: and there's a photo of Olivia with all these papers
Speaker 2: and he goes, you mean her and the music starts
Speaker 2: to play why do you have her jacket? And so
Speaker 2: then he goes, why are you worried you have a
Speaker 2: rogue detective? And Staylor goes no, and the guy's like, relax, relax,
Speaker 2: and he says her name never came up. I've been
Speaker 2: monitoring your investigation.
Speaker 3: That's it. Her name like never came up.
Speaker 2: So he asked for surveillance photos, and our dudes like
Speaker 2: not till next week, like we gotta wait for this
Speaker 2: gun like sale to drop, and Stabler's like, well, if
Speaker 2: we find out your fucking cop wasn't involved, in Starla's gangbang.
Speaker 2: He's done and he says, nah, he's only a prospect
Speaker 2: into the gang. Those perks are for full members only.
Speaker 2: And I wonder if they do an initiation in light
Speaker 2: candles and like say things to each other.
Speaker 1: There's like a whole thing. It's like it's all in
Speaker 1: Sons of Anarchy. Yeah, oh really? Oh yeah, yeah, I forgot.
Speaker 1: You're a son's creep? So is that what you guys
Speaker 1: call yourself?
Speaker 3: Yep, sounds creeps.
Speaker 2: Sailor then explains what's really going on with Olivia and
Speaker 2: the bogus charges and he's like, please help me, and
Speaker 2: he says, I'll show you one gives him a file.
Speaker 2: Inside is a photo of a man putting a device
Speaker 2: on Clyde's motorcycle last week. He thought it was a bomb,
Speaker 2: but it was just the GPS tracking device.
Speaker 3: Why didn't they do anything?
Speaker 2: Benson is sleeping on a couch with an open file
Speaker 2: lying right next to her, and a man creeps up
Speaker 2: over her and he says Detective Benson. And I'm like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, who can it be. I'm so scared
Speaker 2: And it's Tucker. Iab let's go baby. So she's like
Speaker 2: a little early no, and he's like, stop playing, you
Speaker 2: know why I am here, And before she really gets
Speaker 2: into it, he stops her and says, before you say anything,
Speaker 2: you need to know Clyde's killer has been identified and
Speaker 2: it's you.
Speaker 3: She is shocked.
Speaker 2: He mirandizes her and walks her down the balcony steps
Speaker 2: into the preestinct's main level and Craigan's like, you bitch,
Speaker 2: no professional courtesy. You could have given us a heads
Speaker 2: up instead of this dog and pony show. Also, I
Speaker 2: hear all the time about these dog and pony shows.
Speaker 2: I would love to go to a dog and pony show.
Speaker 2: That seems like my dream?
Speaker 3: Is it? Where is it? I don't see any ponies
Speaker 3: at the Kettle Club.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, next year for my birthday, if you
Speaker 2: can find me a dog and pony show, I would
Speaker 2: love that. Love that tell the group Finn screams. So
Speaker 2: then Finn screams out don't talk to the rat police
Speaker 2: and that he's going to call the DA for a lawyer,
Speaker 2: and Tucker spins around and asks if she understands her rights.
Speaker 3: She of course says yeah, duh.
Speaker 2: Munch starts trying to butt in, but he has no
Speaker 2: patience and drags her off to Central Booking. She says,
Speaker 2: just wait, I've been locked up twice under cover. This
Speaker 2: isn't right. I didn't do this. Just talk to me,
Speaker 2: and he says you want to chat, and Munch says,
Speaker 2: don't you fucking do it? Wait for your lawyer, And
Speaker 2: then Tucker's like, I don't think the detective's union's going
Speaker 2: to cut it in this case, and I would try
Speaker 2: to get a good criminal defense lawyer. She yells, is
Speaker 2: there an interview room open? And Craigan's like no. She says,
Speaker 2: I want to do this. He asks what happens Sunday night?
Speaker 2: So an investigation room opens and they're sitting and she's
Speaker 2: answering questions that she was home in bedsick, and of
Speaker 2: course Tucker's like, can anyone corroborate? She goes, hell, no,
Speaker 2: you know I was alone, Like friends don't hang out
Speaker 2: when someone's sick. So then she asks what the probable
Speaker 2: cause was to get their rest warrant, and so smugly
Speaker 2: Tucker replies, let's hold your.
Speaker 3: Questions until the end.
Speaker 2: He asks if she's single, and she says, yes, she
Speaker 2: is single, there's no boyfriend, but what's up? Are you
Speaker 2: interrogating me for murder or signing me up for a
Speaker 2: dating service, and he just finds it odd that nobody
Speaker 2: stopped by to look in on her, and it's like,
Speaker 2: what a dick, leave this single woman alone?
Speaker 1: So you have no one in your life, no one
Speaker 1: of importance. Okay, great, it's like.
Speaker 3: Yes, sorry Stabler did, Yeah, sorry, my dad's a rapist
Speaker 3: and my mom is dead. My bad. And then he
Speaker 3: gets mad at her when she finds her brother. You know,
Speaker 3: he's just he can't.
Speaker 2: Oh god, I cannot honestly, the way he treats her,
Speaker 2: it's really shocking that they ever fucked or dated and
Speaker 2: that we liked their relationship.
Speaker 3: He's such a dick.
Speaker 2: I don't remember how they got over or like when
Speaker 2: the relationship turns Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't know when he turns good either, but I
Speaker 1: do think he's hot.
Speaker 3: He's very hot.
Speaker 2: He asks her what her relationship to Clyde is, and she,
Speaker 2: of course says the truth and has no history with
Speaker 2: that dead man. He read his sheet and he's a
Speaker 2: rough character and not the type of guy you'd want
Speaker 2: to run into in a dark alley, Like, who is
Speaker 2: a man that you'd like to run into in a
Speaker 2: dark alley, nobody maybe Erkele.
Speaker 3: You know, I'd be like my upset.
Speaker 1: Honestly, if you ran into like Jared in a dark alley,
Speaker 1: you'd be like, what's up?
Speaker 3: Are you looking for comic books? Like, well, that's because
Speaker 3: we know him.
Speaker 2: If he was just walking, I don't know, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know. Stabler runs in and is like what
Speaker 2: the fuck is going on? And Craigan fills him in
Speaker 2: behind the interrogation glass. Craigan is like, you shouldn't be here,
Speaker 2: but Stabler produces the photo with the motorcycle, and the
Speaker 2: guy is like, this is who we should be looking for.
Speaker 2: We just need to see if live recognizes him. Tucker
Speaker 2: comes out of the room. I guess he didn't like
Speaker 2: Stabler banging on that glass, and then waves his big
Speaker 2: smug dick around and says only Craigan can watch as
Speaker 2: the boss, not you.
Speaker 3: I'll talk to you later, bitch. And then the.
Speaker 2: Pretty eyed boys go back and forth for a bit,
Speaker 2: looking deep into each other's sexy eyes. And then he
Speaker 2: threatened Stabler like one day I'll have something on you
Speaker 2: to bitch. But then he's like, but I will relay
Speaker 2: anything you'd like me to relay to Olivia, Nah, I'll
Speaker 2: figure it out. So then Tucker goes back to talk
Speaker 2: to Benson. So he says, so where was I?
Speaker 3: Where was I?
Speaker 1: Like you know, like when you go back to a conversation.
Speaker 3: He goes, so where was I? So where was I?
Speaker 2: Honestly this should be a commercial for punctuation so kids learn.
Speaker 3: So he says where was I?
Speaker 2: She says, you were trying to put me in an
Speaker 2: alley where I wasn't And he walks over slowly to her,
Speaker 2: but doesn't sit down then looking down on her, so
Speaker 2: judgmental asks why she saw a psychiatrist last year?
Speaker 3: Excuse me? Yeah, He's like, there is a rumor. Uh
Speaker 3: what'd you say?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 3: I just said dirtball. I don't like that, like the implication. Yeah.
Speaker 2: He's like there's a rumor it's for post traumatic stress.
Speaker 2: And she's like, wow, munch was right. Big brother really
Speaker 2: is watching and he's like, well, you weren't shot on duties,
Speaker 2: so why are you doing that? And she's being vague
Speaker 2: and says, I was getting help for an issue I
Speaker 2: was having, thank you, and it wasn't even a company shrink,
Speaker 2: how the fuck did you find out about it? And
Speaker 2: he goes, Stabler told me, and she goes, you're lying
Speaker 2: and surprisingly you suck at it?
Speaker 3: Who told you?
Speaker 2: He leans in and says, you deal with an awful
Speaker 2: lot of rapists on this job. Did one of them
Speaker 2: overpower you and attack you? And maybe you had a
Speaker 2: flashback and then you lost it?
Speaker 3: Did you lose it?
Speaker 2: Clyde attacked you and you went back to a place
Speaker 2: of helplessness? And then he berates her like an evil
Speaker 2: defense attorney on this show would, and she yells and
Speaker 2: she's had enough. Stop playing games and tell me what
Speaker 2: you have on me? DNA positive match to the blood
Speaker 2: on the knife.
Speaker 6: Fuck.
Speaker 3: She can't even believe it.
Speaker 2: She says, I told Warner to run the DNA, Like
Speaker 2: why would I do that if I knew it was me?
Speaker 2: And he says he thinks it's because she wanted to
Speaker 2: be caught. She's flabbergasted, and then she says, look, no
Speaker 2: cuts on me. She lifts her sleeves, shows her cleavage
Speaker 2: and like, where did the blood come from? And he goes,
Speaker 2: maybe you had a nosebleed? Okay, all right, come on, yeah,
Speaker 2: Like I can't believe she fucked this man, future, I really.
Speaker 3: Can't, And then.
Speaker 2: Goes, well, we'll find your wounds while we strip search
Speaker 2: you at intake, and the moment is finally hitting her
Speaker 2: as she says I made a mistake and he says,
Speaker 2: then you need to make it right, and she goes, no,
Speaker 2: I mean talking to you. I want a lawyer, duh,
Speaker 2: listen to your friends. But maybe she wanted to fuck
Speaker 2: him even here, and that's why she was like, I'll
Speaker 2: go in interrogation. Melinda runs in and Stabler says hold
Speaker 2: on and runs over to Craigan who's entering the room
Speaker 2: and asks if he showed the picture and he says
Speaker 2: as he took her out to the back, and she
Speaker 2: does not know the guy that was fidgeting with the bicycle,
Speaker 2: so the motorbike, the motorcycle. So Stabler's trying to think
Speaker 2: what else he could do to help, but Craigan is like, listen,
Speaker 2: it's bad. The DNA is on the knife and he
Speaker 2: says no way, and it's like, sure, but try telling
Speaker 2: a jury that and then points to Melinda and says,
Speaker 2: especially with her as a witness, not good, and Sabler
Speaker 2: lets his emotions get the best of him. She tries
Speaker 2: to explain how live brought her the knife and he
Speaker 2: jumps back and goes, so, you screwed up, And Melinda says,
Speaker 2: excuse me, and he's like, you taint to the evan somehow,
Speaker 2: and you got to make it right. She looks pissed
Speaker 2: and froze her brow, and then she's like.
Speaker 3: I'm rerunning it.
Speaker 2: I did not make a dis mistake or taint any evidence.
Speaker 2: I don't know how, but this is Olivia's DNA on
Speaker 2: that knife. She turns around and leaves as her curls bounce.
Speaker 2: And now we're in prison and we have Tregor Trevor
Speaker 2: Langen and Kara always likes to mention that he's the
Speaker 2: personal laundry guy. But who's buying personal? Is it a
Speaker 2: cheaper option? Like why would you buy? Or is it
Speaker 2: for better clothes? Is it more expensive? I think it's cheaper, I.
Speaker 3: Think than tied. I don't know. I don't know what's
Speaker 3: a great question. Are they new on the market? Maybe?
Speaker 2: Are they like a classic brand? Like I just wonder
Speaker 2: who's her great question? I don't know what the personal
Speaker 2: vibe is? Yeah, because we know it because of Trevor.
Speaker 2: But you know, so she insults him and is like, gross,
Speaker 2: don't talk to me, I wouldn't want to leave one
Speaker 2: of your scale clients waiting.
Speaker 3: And he's like, you're the scale client. It's you.
Speaker 2: What's a scale client? I don't know, Oh, probably gross
Speaker 2: or something.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: She says, I can't afford you, and he says that
Speaker 2: his retainer has already been paid by some concerned friends.
Speaker 2: So she does have people in her life.
Speaker 3: Iab.
Speaker 2: She says, it won't be your usual smoke and mirror's case.
Speaker 2: This will be the truth. And he's like, I'm just
Speaker 2: here to say hi and go to arrayment and explain
Speaker 2: what's up.
Speaker 3: She goes, I know what arrangment is.
Speaker 2: So we're an arrayment and she's charged murder too, and
Speaker 2: the judge asks, how do you plead? She says not guilty,
Speaker 2: and then we hear the voice yell out guilty and
Speaker 2: it's a bunch of bikers hanging out and the judge
Speaker 2: is not happy and says, anyone do s somethingate that
Speaker 2: again and it's contempt and then he goes capeche and
Speaker 2: I haven't heard that in a while, so I love that. Okay,
Speaker 2: So now we talk bail remander ro r, what will
Speaker 2: we do? The judge sets bail at two hundred and
Speaker 2: fifty thousand Casher bond. Trevor promises to get her out
Speaker 2: of there. Jean Jacket undercover threatens her that he'll make
Speaker 2: sure to tell his friends to say hello, oh my god.
Speaker 2: Stabler put up the bond. He has a bad father,
Speaker 2: but he is an incredible friend important to not his wife,
Speaker 2: but too Olivia, his sexy coworker. She's like, babe, you
Speaker 2: didn't have to and he's like, I wasn't gonna let
Speaker 2: you sit in rikers And she's like, does Kathy know
Speaker 2: you mortgaged the house for me? And he's like, it's
Speaker 2: not a risk, You're innocent, Like, can you imagine Kathy
Speaker 2: already thinks he's having like, first of all, he is
Speaker 2: having an emotional affairway, yeah, yeah. She obviously knows Olivia's
Speaker 2: the most beautiful woman in the world. They're spending eighteen
Speaker 2: hours a day together. Now this motherfucker mortgages their house,
Speaker 2: probably without telling her for sure. She's like, you better
Speaker 2: hope I don't skip down and go to Bolivia or
Speaker 2: belize you decide, and she's like, where are we with
Speaker 2: the real killer? Stabler reveals it's in the paper. Police
Speaker 2: seek man for questioning and it's the photo with the
Speaker 2: motorcycle and they're hoping somebody knows that man. And so
Speaker 2: now we're back at work and Munch says a tip
Speaker 2: came in that the guy in the photo is her ex,
Speaker 2: so he's actually a PI in Jersey, and Finn adds,
Speaker 2: but his license was taken away because of a eagle
Speaker 2: wire taps. So they're calling Elliott and gonna go pick
Speaker 2: this guy up. And it's a mess. They believe the
Speaker 2: death Knight's got to him first, and there are tons
Speaker 2: of pictures of Benson and he's been tailing Benson. There's
Speaker 2: a man groaning stuck under what we can assume is
Speaker 2: a heavy, heavy bookcase that Finn flips up like it's
Speaker 2: like a binder, like, why would the guy be stuck
Speaker 2: if they have syrophoam. I just love Finn's acting. They're like, okay,
Speaker 2: pretend this is heavy and it's squashing this man to death.
Speaker 2: And he's just like man right up on the wall
Speaker 2: and then he goes spew portable. We need a bus.
Speaker 2: He says, the bikers did this to him, and Stabler's like, duh,
Speaker 2: they're friends with the guy you killed. And he says
Speaker 2: he didn't kill anybody, and he's covered in blood. So
Speaker 2: they're like, why did you set her up for?
Speaker 3: Who? For what?
Speaker 2: Like, tell us what's up? How'd you get the blood?
Speaker 2: And he's like, I just followed her for a client,
Speaker 2: that's all. And they're like who who? Who?
Speaker 3: Tell us? And he's groaning.
Speaker 2: So Stabler hits him and he said, bikers took his file.
Speaker 2: But the name is Brady Harrison and Stabler recognizes that name.
Speaker 2: They put him away six or seven years ago for
Speaker 2: a string of date rapes, the rypnahal how do you
Speaker 2: say real hypnol? It's the ra hypnol rapist. Craigan remembers
Speaker 2: him too, So he got out in April. Okay, so
Speaker 2: now we're finally getting somewhere, and his stay in prison
Speaker 2: did overlap with Clyde. Munch got scooped from the jail
Speaker 2: and these guys had an altercation where Clyde walked away
Speaker 2: with no injuries, but Brady Harris ended up in the infirmary,
Speaker 2: so he got payback on the way out. So Stabler
Speaker 2: and Finn went to go get him and Munch is like, yeah,
Speaker 2: and hopefully he's still alive. Since the bikers could have
Speaker 2: gotten him first. And it's a mess and that in
Speaker 2: there like in the office, and they announce themselves.
Speaker 3: Nobody answers.
Speaker 2: They take their guns out and they see Bowman who's
Speaker 2: a young detective with a side part and a low bun,
Speaker 2: and she found a body of a dog in the back.
Speaker 3: Throat was slip. No sign of Brady though, Jesus.
Speaker 2: So they go to the Death Knights clubhouse raid time
Speaker 2: and Phil the ls kiss the ground t Bone and
Speaker 2: they asked for Brady Hare and the og okay, So
Speaker 2: this is when I realized that the undercover guy and
Speaker 2: the guy who loves pool are not the same people.
Speaker 2: And then t Bones another guy was straight hair, so
Speaker 2: he says they don't have a member by that name.
Speaker 2: They go, sure, but you have his address from a
Speaker 2: beat down in Jersey. He asks for a lawyer asap.
Speaker 2: So then he turns to the undercover guy and goes,
Speaker 2: I know you. You tell me in phone. He goes,
Speaker 2: I don't have your girlfriend Brady and Staydlor goes, yeah,
Speaker 2: were you in that brownstone? So he starts running and
Speaker 2: then so they run to talk in secret in a
Speaker 2: different room and they make all these folly art noises
Speaker 2: like growing tires around and like doing all this stuff,
Speaker 2: and the dude wasn't home and they don't have him.
Speaker 3: Stabler size, where could he be?
Speaker 2: So we cut to Livy on the phone being pissed
Speaker 2: about a protective detail always but there's a cop car below,
Speaker 2: and Saylor says, until we find this guy, we got
Speaker 2: to watch your ass. His financials just came in and
Speaker 2: Munch is like, guess who guys Mercedes to get a
Speaker 2: dent taken out? So Frick and Frack are like, yeah,
Speaker 2: we have the proof and stay like you know, jury's
Speaker 2: only want to hear about DNA. So Craigan and Melinda
Speaker 2: walk in, and Craigan says that they talked to the
Speaker 2: private investigator who's in the hospital, who said that he
Speaker 2: followed Live into a diner back to the utensils after
Speaker 2: she left.
Speaker 3: What restaurant manager would allow this?
Speaker 2: I know, like you could just come and steal people's
Speaker 2: forks after they a and like where are the bus boys?
Speaker 2: It would have been gone anywhere I heard the bus
Speaker 2: boys would have been on it. So Stabler is still
Speaker 2: being a dick to Melinda, and Melinda gets spicy right
Speaker 2: back to him and is like, bitch, I've been working
Speaker 2: hard on this blood case. And so what she did
Speaker 2: was she found an anomaly normal DNA. About eighty percent
Speaker 2: of the markers are methylated and live sample on the
Speaker 2: knife none are. Finn is like, so what does that mean?
Speaker 2: And she says she had to go all the way
Speaker 2: to Israel to find out. Okay, chabat shalom, and much
Speaker 2: asks if his people helped him. She's like, maybe, but
Speaker 2: also they just set crime investigations back twenty years. This
Speaker 2: past summer, scientists found a way to fabricate DNA Sailors Like,
Speaker 2: you're joking, and she wishes she was. So basically, you
Speaker 2: could take any random person's blood and whip out all
Speaker 2: the white blood cells that hold the DNA and then
Speaker 2: take like lives DNA and amplified it and put it
Speaker 2: in someone else's blood, making the whole sample Olivia's. And
Speaker 2: Melinda says, it's brilliant and frighteningly simple. Okay, so where
Speaker 2: do we go next? RPG research facility. It's a science
Speaker 2: guy named Joseph, and Finn is there undercover asking for
Speaker 2: some blood trick action and brings twenty five grand in cash.
Speaker 3: So the service that this like.
Speaker 2: Lab coat guy is like, oh, yeah, for sure, Like
Speaker 2: I'll take some blood and sequence the genome to find
Speaker 2: out what genetic time bounds. People are caring and Finn's like, no,
Speaker 2: I want to set someone up for murder. And he
Speaker 2: says no, I only do legal shit and never without
Speaker 2: proper references. And Finn is like, respect, I appreciate you
Speaker 2: taking precautions. But Brady isn't answering his phone and won't
Speaker 2: call me back, and I need someone set up for
Speaker 2: murder now, can you try to call him? So he
Speaker 2: flashes his gun a little bit, and the lab coat
Speaker 2: guy makes the call, and then we see the cops
Speaker 2: are intercepting the call. Judas ciper, hell yeah baby, and
Speaker 2: it's his voicemail too, But they did get the location
Speaker 2: in the city, fuck it lives neighborhood. Stabler is like,
Speaker 2: tell them not to let anyone in the building. Cut
Speaker 2: to Benson on her couch, really cozy, with a knock,
Speaker 2: knock knock on the door and she yells, damn, Callahan,
Speaker 2: you have a bladder the size of a pee, and
Speaker 2: the phone rings and she says hold on one second,
Speaker 2: and then bang bang, somebody starts knocking down the door,
Speaker 2: and we can assume it's not Callahan. Benson jumps up,
Speaker 2: shocked and like fuck. He says, oh is that call
Speaker 2: for me? Tell them I'm not here. She runs and
Speaker 2: tries to lock herself in the bedroom, but he's making
Speaker 2: it very hard for her, and he busts in. She
Speaker 2: grabs a lamp. He has a taser. She's like, is
Speaker 2: that what you used for Clyde? And he roasts her
Speaker 2: ass like I thought you would go for your gun,
Speaker 2: but they take those away from you right when you're
Speaker 2: facing a trial for murder. She's like, there's a cop
Speaker 2: downstairs watching the building, and he giggles and reveals not anymore.
Speaker 2: Her phone rings. He won't let her answer it and
Speaker 2: puts it in his pocket. He says, we only have
Speaker 2: a few minutes, so do you have any questions? And
Speaker 2: obviously there's a clear answer that that she's looking for.
Speaker 2: Why did you frame me for murder? And he says,
Speaker 2: why did you have Clyde terrorized me in prison? And
Speaker 2: she's like, I didn't even know Clyde. You think I
Speaker 2: arranged a jailhouse brawl? And he yells, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm talking about. She doesn't. She starts to get wet eyes.
Speaker 2: She says, oh my god, she realizes he raped you.
Speaker 2: He brutalized me and told everyone that I was a
Speaker 2: punk and therefore everyone to sodomize and trade as sex slaves.
Speaker 3: And she's like, why didn't you report it?
Speaker 2: And he's like, come on, they're in on it and
Speaker 2: you were in on it too, and she yells no,
Speaker 2: and he says, you couldn't stand that I had no
Speaker 2: remorse for what I did to those women, And she's like,
Speaker 2: who told you that? And he screams, you did. Don't
Speaker 2: you remember? A pretty boy like you is going to
Speaker 2: be real popular in prison. Maybe when you're raped, you'll
Speaker 2: understand what you put those women through. She, of course,
Speaker 2: is like, I'm sorry. I should have never said that,
Speaker 2: even if it was just to scare you, I should
Speaker 2: have never said that. But I swear to God I
Speaker 2: did not arrange for this to happen to you. And
Speaker 2: I'm so sorry. And he's like, oh, you're sorry, Well,
Speaker 2: I'm not sorry for setting you up for murder and
Speaker 2: DNA Trump's lists hearsay confessed and she's in shock. Where
Speaker 2: did you get my blood? And he says that one
Speaker 2: I'm taking to the grave. And he tries to shoot
Speaker 2: himself and she knocks into him yelling gone, and then
Speaker 2: grabs his taser during the struggle tases him down.
Speaker 3: Stabler runs in right after that.
Speaker 2: She's okay and says, I think I'm finally getting over
Speaker 2: this damn flu. And he says, good, you got to
Speaker 2: meet the guy who helps him set you up. So
Speaker 2: she breathes in relief, and then Benson and Stabler walk
Speaker 2: in together and to invest into interrogation. So the Labkokai
Speaker 2: is in there and they ask him, like, how many
Speaker 2: other people did you set up for this? And he's like, oh,
Speaker 2: there's no law against what I did. And they're like, honey,
Speaker 2: you helped frame someone for murder. That's a bad thing.
Speaker 2: And they let him know that they found his bookkeeping
Speaker 2: and they're at least a dozen people standing trial or
Speaker 2: in prison for crimes they didn't commit because of your
Speaker 2: fabricated DNA. And this guy is calm as fuck and says, hey,
Speaker 2: it's nothing personal.
Speaker 3: It's a brand new market. And Benson is like, do
Speaker 3: you get this?
Speaker 2: And Stabler taps in to say, everybody is going to
Speaker 2: say their DNA is cooked up in some lab. But also,
Speaker 2: Melinda did eventually find the difference, so like, you know,
Speaker 2: we can't we can't expect everyone to be as good
Speaker 2: as Melinda her job, but like there are anomalies, So
Speaker 2: I guess this is really fucked up and is gonna
Speaker 2: like fuck up investigations. But also like why were the
Speaker 2: other med texts that good? But I guess Melinda had
Speaker 2: to do it for a while. I'm not sure so,
Speaker 2: And I'm like, I can't wait to read about the
Speaker 2: real one. And I hope this is all fake and
Speaker 2: not real and you can't fake DNA.
Speaker 3: I'm so scared.
Speaker 2: It's so easy, he says, And any bio undergrad can
Speaker 2: do it. It's a whole new world. That's fun, a
Speaker 2: whole new world, he laughs, and they're really disturbed by him,
Speaker 2: and then he then says, guess your free ride is over.
Speaker 1: It's like the free ride of like the only medically
Speaker 1: like perfectly accurate thing.
Speaker 3: We have to like get bad people or like get you.
Speaker 2: Thought it was like a free ride, like sucks for you, cops.
Speaker 2: Now you're gonna like it's a free ride. I don't
Speaker 2: know whatever. So we're done. This is done. I'm done.
Speaker 2: I need to hear about this real case. Because I'm serified.
Speaker 1: Okay, everybody, enjoy our commercials and we'll be right back.
Speaker 3: Okay, we are back.
Speaker 1: So this episode draws inspo from a few real life groups,
Speaker 1: people situations, so I'll get into all of them. The
Speaker 1: first one is obviously the biker gang angle. Okay, I
Speaker 1: wanted to just talk a little bit about the big
Speaker 1: four criminal biker gangs. And I know a lot of
Speaker 1: this is from Sons of Anarchy because I watched Sons
Speaker 1: of Anarchy, so I knew some of this to begin with,
Speaker 1: but it was interesting to look into, like actually how
Speaker 1: it is. So there's four major big biker gangs that
Speaker 1: are called outlaw biker gangs in the US and abroad
Speaker 1: Hell's Angels MC's, the Outlaws EMCs, the Pagan's MC, and
Speaker 1: the Big the Bandidos. MCMC stands for Motorcycle Club and
Speaker 1: it used to be the outlaw biker gangs. They were
Speaker 1: called outlaw just because they were not officially operating under
Speaker 1: the American Motorcycle Association. But then certain chapters of certain
Speaker 1: clubs started to operate illegal activities and so obviously like
Speaker 1: running guns, producing drugs, distribution and sales of drugs, prostitution,
Speaker 1: contract violence, racketeering, and motorcycle thefts. So a lot of
Speaker 1: crime started to sneak in. Outlaw motorcycle gangs typically traffic
Speaker 1: meth amphetamine on the West Coast and then cocaine in
Speaker 1: the Midwest and East coast. So interesting, not that they
Speaker 1: can't do both, but you know, normally in Sons of Anarchy,
Speaker 1: they're in California, so they're doing a lot of meth.
Speaker 1: And then you know, we thought this guy was dealing
Speaker 1: meth on the East Coast, but it more likely would
Speaker 1: have been coke or weed or something else. Anyway, according
Speaker 1: to the Department of Justice, each of the Big Four
Speaker 1: specialized in drug dealing. The Bandido's mc are involved in cocaine, marijuana,
Speaker 1: and meth. Hell's Angels also distribute LSD, ecstasy, and PC.
Speaker 1: Both the Pagans and the Outlaws are also centered around cocaine, marijuana,
Speaker 1: and meth.
Speaker 3: So they've all got their little parts of the market,
Speaker 3: I guess.
Speaker 2: And my question, are these like white like are these
Speaker 2: mostly white gangs?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 3: There are the Bandidos Latino? I don't know.
Speaker 1: I would assume that the Bandidos have a Latino thing,
Speaker 1: but they're actually I'll get into it. They're all over
Speaker 1: the world, so it's not just like white people. But
Speaker 1: I would say primarily, yeah.
Speaker 2: I guess I just assume bikers are like in the KKK,
Speaker 2: like I don't know why, but I feel like there's
Speaker 2: an overlap.
Speaker 1: Mabe, well, there is, there is white but then like
Speaker 1: Danny Pino is in the is in the the like
Speaker 1: oh my god, offshoot, what am I trying to say?
Speaker 1: Spin off of Sons of Anarchy that's called the Mayans.
Speaker 1: It's about like a Mexican bike gang. So definitely there
Speaker 1: are bikangs that are not just white guys. But I
Speaker 1: would say when you think of Hell's Angels, you think
Speaker 1: of like white guys with big beards, and that's like
Speaker 1: what a lot of them are. But so The Mayans
Speaker 1: is not a show about ancient Mayan sooll.
Speaker 2: Good. Now, well, if Danny Pino ever did this fucking podcast,
Speaker 2: we would know more.
Speaker 3: I would know more about the fucking Mayans.
Speaker 1: So all four of these gangs are at war with
Speaker 1: one another and they have murdered one another, so they
Speaker 1: are you know, it's not like all kumbaya, Let's live
Speaker 1: and let live.
Speaker 3: Like they all want to hate.
Speaker 1: They all hate each other because they're probably all going
Speaker 1: in on each other's business, like you're trying to, at
Speaker 1: least in Sons of anarchy. It's like these guys are
Speaker 1: trying to push in on our guns. These guys are
Speaker 1: trying to push in on our meth, like we can't
Speaker 1: have that, you know.
Speaker 3: So the American.
Speaker 1: Motorcycle Association said that motorcycle clubs that engage in crime
Speaker 1: and violence like this represent one percent of motorcycle clubs,
Speaker 1: and then the outlaw gangs love that and started calling
Speaker 1: themselves one percenters. And they claim that they've like always
Speaker 1: had the phrase one percent or that that's been their thing.
Speaker 1: So like you'll see motorcycle guys with like patches that
Speaker 1: say like one percent, and it's not about their economic standing.
Speaker 1: It's about the fact that they're part of the one
Speaker 1: percent of motorcycle clubs that fuck people up. So all
Speaker 1: of all of these four motorcycle clubs, all of them
Speaker 1: but the Pagans, are international. The Pagans choose to stay
Speaker 1: just within the US. But the Hell's Angels, for example,
Speaker 1: have four hundred and sixty seven charters across fifty nine countries,
Speaker 1: like they have charters in Egypt, like they have charters
Speaker 1: all over the place, so some are like in Australia, Norway,
Speaker 1: places where it would obviously have like a lot of
Speaker 1: white people, but you know, other places different. So a
Speaker 1: bunch of these chapters also, I should mention participate in
Speaker 1: charity work. There was like a lot of examples in
Speaker 1: my research of like how these guys will deliver school supplies.
Speaker 1: But it's like the mafia or you know, a lot
Speaker 1: of organized crime. It's like they protect their neighborhoods. They're like, yes,
Speaker 1: we're dealing drugs, we're doing xyz, but we're also like
Speaker 1: if somebody murders someone, we're gonna find out who did that,
Speaker 1: or if there's like you know, in in Sons of
Speaker 1: a Hierarchy, like they were constantly figuring out like personal
Speaker 1: crimes and like playing robinhood a little bit. So outlaw
Speaker 1: motorcycle gangs have been increasing their presence and criminal activity
Speaker 1: throughout Europe since two thousand and five, using firearms and
Speaker 1: greens needs to get their way, and they're involved in
Speaker 1: drug trafficking, murder, money laundering, and extortion. So I guess
Speaker 1: they're blowing up in Europe too. No pun intended with
Speaker 1: the grenades. But in recent years, prosecutors have been trying
Speaker 1: to take down these outlaw motorcycle gangs using RICO, which
Speaker 1: is RICO is Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations ACT.
Speaker 3: And in Sons of Anarchy.
Speaker 1: There is a huge storyline where they're trying to get
Speaker 1: them on RICO charges.
Speaker 3: And this is just a.
Speaker 1: General overview of what motorcycle clubs are. If you want
Speaker 1: more information, there is a lot of I have links
Speaker 1: in my bio, in our in our not my bio,
Speaker 1: links in our show notes, and also tons of Anarchy
Speaker 1: in my personal bio there will be links about Hell's Angels. No,
Speaker 1: but also Sons of Anarchy is actually a great resource
Speaker 1: if you want to know more about these clubs, because
Speaker 1: I just found out that one of the characters on
Speaker 1: the show, this guy Happy, is a real life Hell's
Speaker 1: Angel and was the technical advisor on the show, and
Speaker 1: he's like a character on the show, but it is
Speaker 1: a whole thing in the show, like there are prospects
Speaker 1: they have to do all this fucked up shit to
Speaker 1: become full members, Like you know.
Speaker 3: Are there any bad guys that are nice to women?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 2: Are there just criminals and drug dealers that respect women anywhere,
Speaker 2: Like please, we got to watch.
Speaker 1: Queen of the South where there woman is the drug dealer.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's the key.
Speaker 2: Maybe it's just like, yeah, these bikers don't seem that bad.
Speaker 2: I love I love drugs. I you know, like where
Speaker 2: leather do charity work? Do you have to rape the women?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 1: It's like yeah, they're just they're running like they run
Speaker 1: a lot of Like yeah, definitely in Sons of Anarchy
Speaker 1: there were like women hanging around that were just there
Speaker 1: for anyone to.
Speaker 3: Have sex with, Like for sure.
Speaker 2: I definitely I love that hot guy in it, and
Speaker 2: I love Married with Children.
Speaker 3: Katie sigh, Katie sigal, Oh my god.
Speaker 2: We want to watch it. I just can't watch that
Speaker 2: much violence against women.
Speaker 1: J She has one of the most like truly has
Speaker 1: shaken me to my core sexual assaults committed on her
Speaker 1: in that show. Horrible, horrible, horrible. So any incredible actress.
Speaker 1: But yeah, she's an amazing actress. But yeah, it's a lot.
Speaker 1: But she also commits a lot of violence on that
Speaker 1: show as well.
Speaker 3: So I'm impressed.
Speaker 2: Besides the son, I'm really impressed that all three people,
Speaker 2: like the main people from Married with children, like had
Speaker 2: a career, took a break, and then killed it again.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like that happened to again.
Speaker 2: I don't know what's up with Bud, but funny, I
Speaker 2: don't need like all of them are just like have
Speaker 2: been successful for so long and I love to see that.
Speaker 3: Sorry, let's go, let's go.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 1: I and I got to see Marcy the neighbor from
Speaker 1: next door at the Bros.
Speaker 3: Premiere and I was gagged. I was like, you did
Speaker 3: you say? Yes?
Speaker 1: I said hi to her and the coach from Glee.
Speaker 1: They're both in the movie and I love them. And
Speaker 1: I was like, you guys were great in the movie.
Speaker 1: And Marcy goes she's great in it, and I was like.
Speaker 3: You're so great at it too. But I wanted to
Speaker 3: be like Marcy.
Speaker 1: But I didn't want to get into my like full
Speaker 1: married with children like I was obsessed. Anyway, That's the
Speaker 1: end of my section on the motorcycle gangs. Just a
Speaker 1: little bit of background the next subject, the fake DNA
Speaker 1: thing is real. Okay, So a scientist named Dan Frumken
Speaker 1: wrote an article published in Forensic Science International in two
Speaker 1: thousand and nine alleging that it is possible to fake DNA.
Speaker 3: He founded a company.
Speaker 1: He's not the same as the guy in this episode,
Speaker 1: because what he did was he founded a company called Nucleix,
Speaker 1: which is in an Israel, which was created to test
Speaker 1: to identify fake samples. Okay, So he basically was like,
Speaker 1: this is.
Speaker 3: Something people can do.
Speaker 1: I figured out a way that we can figure out
Speaker 1: that they're not doing that. It's, you know, to disprove
Speaker 1: the fake DNA. So Israeli scientists, according to his paper,
Speaker 1: were able to fabricate blood and saliva samples containing DNA
Speaker 1: different from the donor. And they did this in exactly
Speaker 1: the way that they talk about on the show. They
Speaker 1: like spin out the white blood cells, like amplify the DNA,
Speaker 1: put it back in, and then it I.
Speaker 3: Just imagine the white blood cells being like we.
Speaker 4: My.
Speaker 1: And they also showed that if they had access to
Speaker 1: a DNA profile in a database, they could construct a
Speaker 1: sample of DNA to match that profile without obtaining any
Speaker 1: tissue from that person. So Frumpkin told The New York Times,
Speaker 1: you can just engineer a crime scene.
Speaker 3: Quote.
Speaker 1: He said, any biology undergraduate could perform this wild and
Speaker 1: he said it could also be possible to get a
Speaker 1: sample of someone's DNA from a soda can or a
Speaker 1: cigarette turn it into a saliva sample which could then
Speaker 1: be submitted to ancestry dot com or anything like that,
Speaker 1: and celebrities would have to fear something called quote unquote
Speaker 1: genetic paparazzi, which is something that Gail H. Javitt of
Speaker 1: the Genetics and Public Policy Center at Johns Hopkins said,
Speaker 1: I looked up nucleics and it said and it still exists,
Speaker 1: but they now mostly sell tests to check for bladder
Speaker 1: and lung cancer. So I feel like because not many
Speaker 1: people know how to fake the DNA, even though it
Speaker 1: would be easy, like their their idea of selling tests
Speaker 1: to debunk fake DNA like didn't work out out as
Speaker 1: a business venture, but it is wild that it's possible
Speaker 1: and not a hard thing to do.
Speaker 3: And I get, well, how do we know?
Speaker 2: I'm like I said, Melinda is above and beyond like
Speaker 2: most medical examiners like no, Tino Shaye, But like what
Speaker 2: if they.
Speaker 3: Say, well, we have we have.
Speaker 1: We have some listeners who are forensic girls and I
Speaker 1: mean guys too, but like get in touch with us,
Speaker 1: tell us, like are they now just testing to see
Speaker 1: if all the DNA is methylated?
Speaker 5: Now?
Speaker 1: Or eighty percent, like the way that Melinda did. Like,
Speaker 1: I don't know how they're really disproving it, but they are.
Speaker 1: It is not It does not seem like a thing
Speaker 1: that's happening all the time, you know. But the third
Speaker 1: case that this is supposedly drawn off of, this seems
Speaker 1: like a bit, a bit of a bigger stretch, But
Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about it anyway, because it's an
Speaker 1: interesting case. Like the fandom wiki says, this is based
Speaker 1: on Frederick Zaine, who is a forensic lab was a
Speaker 1: forensic laboratory tech in West Virginia and Texas who falsified
Speaker 1: sorology results to obtain convictions. So this guy famously nineteen
Speaker 1: seventy seven and he's hired as a chemist at West Virginia,
Speaker 1: of course, my husband's home state, West Virginia State Police
Speaker 1: Crime Laboratory. He later became director of the sorology Department
Speaker 1: at the State Department of Public Safety, which is also
Speaker 1: known as the State Police.
Speaker 3: Later, so that's what happened.
Speaker 1: In seventy nine, he became the director of the strology department,
Speaker 1: and he worked with the WVU State Police till nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty nine, So a decade turns out he got the
Speaker 1: job in the zerology apartment department completely by falsifying his credentials,
Speaker 1: which conveniently no one checked. It was like the seventies.
Speaker 1: He said he minored in chemistry. He actually had only
Speaker 1: taken a few chem classes and had either failed them
Speaker 1: or barely passed them. He got a reputation among prosecutors
Speaker 1: in West Virginia for being able to solve hard cases,
Speaker 1: so now all of them wanted to use him as
Speaker 1: an expert. And then in nineteen eighty five, FBI Laboratory
Speaker 1: director James Greer told the West Virginia State Police that
Speaker 1: Zay had failed basic courses in roology and testing bloodstains
Speaker 1: and nothing happened in another incident two co workers.
Speaker 3: How did the FBI get involved in this? Yes, I
Speaker 3: don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Maybe like they got notified someone was crushing it. Maybe
Speaker 2: they wanted to hire him for the FBI because he
Speaker 2: was so good at it, and then they realized he
Speaker 2: was fake.
Speaker 1: Maybe also, like some of these cases did get tossed
Speaker 1: up to the FBI, because like I'm gonna talk about
Speaker 1: a specific case in a second, so it's possible maybe
Speaker 1: that was the case. That got them like turned onto
Speaker 1: him and his false bullshit. But then in another incident,
Speaker 1: two coworkers claim to have seen him record blood records
Speaker 1: from a blank test plate, and like, none of these
Speaker 1: complaints were taken seriously because it was known that the
Speaker 1: workers in Zane did not get along with each other. Hilarious,
Speaker 1: So they're like, you guys just don't like each other,
Speaker 1: leave it alone.
Speaker 3: But why would you just take Zaane's side.
Speaker 1: It's so I don't know, but you know, you hear
Speaker 1: about this all the time, fake it till you make it.
Speaker 3: Like guys just charming their way through jobs like this.
Speaker 1: Maybe he had a good personality, I don't know, but
Speaker 1: the prosecutors loved him because he was like getting cases
Speaker 1: done because he was fucking falsifying everything. So it's like
Speaker 1: whatever they needed, he made it happen, you know, like
Speaker 1: engineering a crime scene essentially. So when one of his
Speaker 1: supervisors wrote to the FBI about his concerns about Zane's
Speaker 1: test results, the reports that agents made amusing comments like
Speaker 1: quote Fred doesn't do things by the book and called
Speaker 1: him quote pro prosecution but recommended no action, so that
Speaker 1: by the next year he had become head of the
Speaker 1: Crime Laboratory. In nineteen eighty nine, he left West Virginia
Speaker 1: to become the chief of physical evidence at the Bexar County,
Speaker 1: Texas Medical Examiner's Office. And Bexar County is where San
Speaker 1: Antonio is, by the way, and he was still getting
Speaker 1: calls to go back to West Virginia and testify even
Speaker 1: after he'd gone. So this is kind of the case
Speaker 1: I think that blew open his scheme. In nineteen eighty seven,
Speaker 1: a guy named Glenn Woodhall was convicted of multiple felonies,
Speaker 1: including two cases of sexual assault, and a huge part
Speaker 1: of his conviction was Zane's testimony regarding seamen from one
Speaker 1: of the victims. Woodall got three hundred and thirty five
Speaker 1: years in prison, and that was in eighty seven. In
Speaker 1: eighty eight, DNA testing, the first ever admitted as evidence
Speaker 1: at the state level in the United States in this case,
Speaker 1: proved conclusively that Woodall was innocent and that the conviction
Speaker 1: and the commission was then reversed. Zayn had used flawed
Speaker 1: blood typing methods in tying the seamen to Woodhall. He
Speaker 1: had also initially determined a piece of hair was unidentifiable
Speaker 1: pubic hare, but like later changed his identification, saying it
Speaker 1: was hair from Woodall's beard and then Woodhall. So he
Speaker 1: was freed in nineteen ninety two, and he sued the
Speaker 1: state for false imprisonment and won a one million dollar settlement,
Speaker 1: and at the request of the Virginia State Police, the
Speaker 1: Canawa County Prosecutor William Forbes started a criminal investigation, and
Speaker 1: he was very disturbed by what he discovered, to the
Speaker 1: point that he asked the Supreme Court of Appeals in
Speaker 1: West Virginia to appoint a special judge and panel of
Speaker 1: lawyers and scientists to investigate the sorology Department, because in
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety three, Senior Circuit Court Judge James Holliday issued
Speaker 1: a report finding that Zaine had engaged in a crazy
Speaker 1: amount of misconduct and straight up fraud. He had missed evidence,
Speaker 1: falsified lab results, and reported scientifically implausible results, and he
Speaker 1: may have been responsible for one hundred and thirty four
Speaker 1: people being wrongly convicted. His misconduct was ruled so bad
Speaker 1: that any of his testimony going forward should be presumed
Speaker 1: as invalid, unreliable, and inadmissible.
Speaker 3: Not going forward, but like.
Speaker 1: In looking back at the cases he got fired in Texas,
Speaker 1: as soon as they heard about the West Virginia ship.
Speaker 1: But of course they're going to check out what he's
Speaker 1: been doing there, and in their investigation into his misconduct,
Speaker 1: he may have resulted in one hundred and eighty were
Speaker 1: wrongful convictions in Bexter County. So the Texas investigation found
Speaker 1: a lot of instances of him filing reports on tests
Speaker 1: that had never been done, reporting negative results as positive,
Speaker 1: and describing inconclusive results as conclusive. So West Virginia paid
Speaker 1: a total of six point five million dollars to settle
Speaker 1: lawsuits by people who had been wrongfully convicted due to him.
Speaker 1: He of course denied everything. He was charged with fraud eventually,
Speaker 1: but his trial was delayed indefinitely after he was diagnosed
Speaker 1: with liver cancer in twenty and twenty, charged with four
Speaker 1: counts of obtaining money by false pretenses. I don't know
Speaker 1: why that's the charge, but the jury deadlocked and then
Speaker 1: a new fraud trial was scheduled for July of two
Speaker 1: thousand and three, but actually in December of two thousand
Speaker 1: and two he died of the liver cancer. So he
Speaker 1: never really paid for his crimes. And I just hope
Speaker 1: that they got all of those people out of jail
Speaker 1: and were able to exonerate the one.
Speaker 3: What the fuck? I know, crazy?
Speaker 2: And so many people complained and THEBI told you there
Speaker 2: was issues.
Speaker 1: Ted Bundy's girlfriend called the police three times instead, I
Speaker 1: think it's my boyfriend, you know, like the cops just
Speaker 1: like I mean, different bureaucracies just don't listen.
Speaker 3: I don't know this is well. I just someone posted.
Speaker 2: A video on Instagram of like how men's confidence when
Speaker 2: they enter the workforce is super high and then decreases
Speaker 2: over time, and women starts out really low and goes
Speaker 2: higher and that at age forty, men and women's confidences intersect,
Speaker 2: and the woman's saying this was just like and I
Speaker 2: don't know where the men get the confidence since they've
Speaker 2: never done the job, but they just still feel good,
Speaker 2: and like what at a fucking example of just like yeah,
Speaker 2: and like you know that this guy just liked being
Speaker 2: part of it.
Speaker 1: You know he probably just was like, yes, like being
Speaker 1: I like testifying, I like closing cases. I love that
Speaker 1: the prosecutors think that I'm their guy for like closing
Speaker 1: tough cases when it's like you're just and in his mind,
Speaker 1: he's probably like these guys did it. I'm just helping
Speaker 1: push it along, you know. Well, it's like.
Speaker 2: That drug scandal documentary where one was like an addict
Speaker 2: fucking up and stealing pills, but the other one she
Speaker 2: liked being in with the cops.
Speaker 3: She liked being in with the prosecution.
Speaker 2: Like she was like, Oh, we're a team, and that's
Speaker 2: why she falsified shit.
Speaker 3: She wanted to be with it.
Speaker 1: It's like weird power trips people go on and they
Speaker 1: don't care about like just wrecking people's lives because I
Speaker 1: guess they assume that they're criminals about.
Speaker 3: Fuck anyone that hired him, Fuck anyone.
Speaker 2: And like, our friend works at not a big thing,
Speaker 2: but I'm I'm thinking about the guy that works with
Speaker 2: her that's ruining everyone's life for years now and doesn't
Speaker 2: do anything, gets away with it. No one will fire
Speaker 2: him because the male bosses are also like, he's fine
Speaker 2: until it reaches critical. Yeah, like the worst thing ever.
Speaker 2: And thank god those steaks aren't as high as this,
Speaker 2: but it's like it's fucking nuts. Oh this is nuts. Wow,
Speaker 2: thank you for telling us all those things.
Speaker 3: No worries.
Speaker 1: I am really excited for our guests though, So let's
Speaker 1: shake off the fake DNA and get ready to talk
Speaker 1: to her.
Speaker 3: Okay, our actor guest.
Speaker 1: Today is not only an actor, but a cook and
Speaker 1: a Hooter's enthusiast. You know her best from her role
Speaker 1: as Leeann Taylor on Orange is the New Black Baby,
Speaker 1: but she's also been in a bunch of episodes of SVU,
Speaker 1: including today's where you Knew her as the Biker Mama Starla. Guys,
Speaker 1: please enjoy our chat with Emma Miles.
Speaker 2: Hi.
Speaker 3: I believe that happy.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was so nice to me, you guys, Oh
Speaker 6: my god.
Speaker 1: We love talking to an SVU like multiple timer, you know.
Speaker 3: Three I did so exciting well.
Speaker 2: And also on your like Orange wiki, it says that
Speaker 2: you met Dasha Polanco before you guys started shooting Orange
Speaker 2: in an audition for Lawn Order SVU.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was in the It was in the waiting
Speaker 5: room and we weren't auditioning for the same part. But
Speaker 5: she went in before me, and then I went in
Speaker 5: a little bit later, and then we didn't see each other,
Speaker 5: and I'd never you.
Speaker 6: Know, I didn't I'd never met her before.
Speaker 5: So I was just like to do and I was
Speaker 5: on the subway platform and I was like going home
Speaker 5: on the D train because they lived in Bay Ridge
Speaker 5: at the time, so it's like transferring to an R
Speaker 5: at Sunset Park and she lived in Sunset Park two.
Speaker 5: So she got on the D train and she was like, Hey,
Speaker 5: were you just in that SPU audition And I.
Speaker 7: Was like yeah, And so we like sat next to
Speaker 7: each other and we talked the entire way to Brooklyn,
Speaker 7: and we like exchanged numbers, and we were both just
Speaker 7: like having a really hard time with the business and
Speaker 7: everything was just like.
Speaker 6: Really tough for both of us, and we were just like, uh.
Speaker 5: And I was like planning on moving back to California
Speaker 5: after being in New York for twelve years at this point.
Speaker 5: This was twenty twelve, and and she was like, yeah,
Speaker 5: I think I'm gonna go like back to nursing, Like
Speaker 5: I don't really know what I'm doing.
Speaker 6: I'm I feel really crazy right now. And I was like,
Speaker 6: oh my god, me too.
Speaker 4: Same.
Speaker 5: So we exchanged numbers and then like my life got
Speaker 5: like absolutely insane, like I went through a fire. It
Speaker 5: was just placed for my house. I was like definitely
Speaker 5: moving back to California. It was like there was it
Speaker 5: was the most extreme Saturn return ever. And so I
Speaker 5: kind of like forgot about it and then like I
Speaker 5: booked Orange and the first day I was on set,
Speaker 5: I was at Crafty and I walked over and she
Speaker 5: turned around and we were like, oh my god, and uh,
Speaker 5: you know, the rest is history.
Speaker 6: It was love.
Speaker 1: Did either of you get the part on SVU that
Speaker 1: you were auditioning for? No, you know what all those
Speaker 1: problems led to Orange? You know, it's like it was
Speaker 1: meant to be your first episode that you did.
Speaker 3: Was this one or Haunted? Which one was first?
Speaker 6: Haunted?
Speaker 3: Haunted was first?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then so then what did they bring you
Speaker 1: back as Starla just like they remembered you? Or like
Speaker 1: did you have to audition again or what happened? No?
Speaker 5: I had to audition again, guys. I mean for Haunted.
Speaker 5: That was actually the first job I ever had. Like
Speaker 5: that job got my sad guard. So so yeah, that
Speaker 5: was like and that was like my first real audition,
Speaker 5: like out of acting school. It was like I was
Speaker 5: trying to to impress the agency I was at at
Speaker 5: the time, and they like didn't they didn't want to
Speaker 5: sign me, but they wanted to freelance with me. And
Speaker 5: I was like, oh yeah, you're like gu and it
Speaker 5: was I was like having such a weird situation because
Speaker 5: I was like, I need I need something. I'm a
Speaker 5: very like, I'm a very like committed actor and I
Speaker 5: was playing a meth addict and I was like, I
Speaker 5: feel like my eyes need to be like glazy or whatever.
Speaker 5: And I looked at my purse and I had like
Speaker 5: some CarMax, some like Menthol CarMax. So I just like
Speaker 5: put it all over my eyes and they made me
Speaker 5: like all like you know, not able to really like
Speaker 5: see properly and just be like.
Speaker 6: Gross and awful.
Speaker 5: And then I booked the job, and then the agency
Speaker 5: signed me, and I was like whoa.
Speaker 6: And I got my sad card and I was like whoa,
Speaker 6: But no.
Speaker 3: I had the Carmacks burn.
Speaker 6: Yeah, the Menthol does.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like it's like putting peppermint all over your eye.
Speaker 5: It's just it's awful. It's trash. It's great for your lips,
Speaker 5: which trash for rivals. But but yeah, I mean the
Speaker 5: way that the way that that casting office works is
Speaker 5: if they like you, they they'll bring you in as
Speaker 5: much as they they think.
Speaker 6: You're right for whatever parts they have available.
Speaker 5: But but if you book something, there's like a rule
Speaker 5: where you can't you can't.
Speaker 6: Come back for like another couple of years.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So there was like a four year period between when
Speaker 5: I did my first episode of SVU and then when
Speaker 5: I booked Starla.
Speaker 6: But I was really stoked when I booked Starlak because
Speaker 6: I was like, I get to work with Christmas money.
Speaker 3: Yeah yea ellas.
Speaker 5: And I'm a huge, wet hot American summer fan me too,
Speaker 5: So it was just like it was really a special time.
Speaker 2: Did he meet your expectations when you met him?
Speaker 3: Like, do you have any memories from that?
Speaker 6: Yes?
Speaker 5: I mean there was a he I worked with him
Speaker 5: my second day of filming, But there was like a
Speaker 5: period of time in between my first day and my
Speaker 5: second day because on my first day I got injured
Speaker 5: and I had to go.
Speaker 6: To the hospital.
Speaker 3: Wait what happened? What?
Speaker 5: So?
Speaker 6: Okay?
Speaker 5: So you know how there's that scene in the very
Speaker 5: like the teaser the beginning, where there's like me on
Speaker 5: the table and like people are like spraying champagne.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5: So we had been we shot that first. That was
Speaker 5: my first day and it was it was a night shoot,
Speaker 5: but we started a little bit earlier and we'd like
Speaker 5: blacked out all the windows whatever. So we had kind
Speaker 5: of run through it a bunch of times, and we
Speaker 5: were getting ready to shoot, so they were like setting
Speaker 5: up the lights and they wanted to do a test
Speaker 5: with the with like the props and the water, but
Speaker 5: like not actually like use any of it. So they
Speaker 5: were kind of trying to like show the guy who
Speaker 5: was with me, the one who was gonna be kind
Speaker 5: of picking me up off of the table, throwing me
Speaker 5: over his shoulder and then walking me out of frame.
Speaker 6: They gave him kind of the idea of like what
Speaker 6: was going to happen, and we went through.
Speaker 5: Our lines, which my lines were like ah.
Speaker 6: Like in a created.
Speaker 5: And he was really nice, and we wanted to he
Speaker 5: wanted to practice the sleeperhole, or not the sleeperhole, but
Speaker 5: putting me over his shoulder. So he throws me over
Speaker 5: his shoulder and everything's cool and we walk out of frame.
Speaker 5: Now they neglected to tell him or myself that that
Speaker 5: there was going to be a hose. I mean, like,
Speaker 5: of course there's going to be a hose, but like
Speaker 5: we didn't practice it with the hose because we didn't
Speaker 5: want to get our costumes wet obviously, so everyone's like, okay,
Speaker 5: we'll just kind of figure out what the marks are
Speaker 5: gonna be and then we'll walk around it. So either
Speaker 5: either he just wasn't like paying attention to where he
Speaker 5: was stepping or whatever.
Speaker 6: But we start shooting. Everyone's like spraying me with stuff.
Speaker 5: And there's like a hose with water that's coming down
Speaker 5: and it's you know, I'm wet.
Speaker 6: And I'm wearing this.
Speaker 5: I had like brown hair color in because they wanted
Speaker 5: me to have brown hair, and they cast me and
Speaker 5: they were like, they never asked me to dye my hair.
Speaker 6: So I showed up on set and I was like
Speaker 6: blonde and they were like, oh shit.
Speaker 5: So they had to go to like, I don't know,
Speaker 5: some somewhere you get like hair stuff, and it was like.
Speaker 3: They just give you a wig.
Speaker 6: I don't know, you know, good question, very good question.
Speaker 6: But they put this.
Speaker 5: Like moose stuff in my hair that made my hair
Speaker 5: a dark brown color. So the second it gets wet,
Speaker 5: it's like dripping all over me and just like everything's
Speaker 5: in my eyes, can't see anything. Everything's just like Okay,
Speaker 5: I'm putting all of my trust in this guy, and
Speaker 5: it's gonna be easy. Like it's gonna be an easy night.
Speaker 5: It's not a really long scene. I'm just gonna get
Speaker 5: a little wet.
Speaker 3: It'll be fine.
Speaker 6: Like it's cool. So the guy comes over.
Speaker 5: To the table, the pool table, which I'm on, and
Speaker 5: we do we do the hold. He throws me over
Speaker 5: and he starts to walk out of frame and he
Speaker 5: trips on the hooks and as he is like, he's
Speaker 5: he's trying to not drop me. He's like trying to
Speaker 5: keep his balance but also not drop me. So okay,
Speaker 5: like let me see if I can kind of okay.
Speaker 5: So here's here's like the table, here's me, here's the guy.
Speaker 5: He's like, oh no, and I'm like on his back,
Speaker 5: just being like.
Speaker 6: I feel like my equilibrium is kind of hot. So
Speaker 6: he's like try to keep his balance, trying to keep
Speaker 6: his balance. Here's a brick wall.
Speaker 5: As he's trying to keep his balance, he actually throws
Speaker 5: me into the brick wall like back because I'm I'm
Speaker 5: over his shoulders, which would not have been that bad,
Speaker 5: but there was a like a light socket protruding off
Speaker 5: of the wall, and that's what my back hit. Oh no,
Speaker 5: and I heard something crap and they yelled cut and everyone, and.
Speaker 6: I was like on the ground and everyone was like, girl,
Speaker 6: I call it ambulance call.
Speaker 5: And shit, yeah, I'm I mean I was a competitive
Speaker 5: gymnast as a kid, so.
Speaker 6: I'm like, I'm tough. I could do this.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but I was I was hurting. I was hurting,
Speaker 5: and they were not interested in trying it again because
Speaker 5: they didn't want to do that.
Speaker 6: Everyone was like, sign this, sign this.
Speaker 5: I was with my agent at the time, my manager,
Speaker 5: and and they basically had to send me to the hospital.
Speaker 5: I didn't go that night, but they made me go
Speaker 5: the next day. I was like, I'm fine. I'm not fine.
Speaker 6: I couldn't like lift anything.
Speaker 3: It was just like did you have like how long
Speaker 3: did it hurt? How was it filming the rest of it?
Speaker 6: It hurt for like a good week. It hurt for
Speaker 6: a good week.
Speaker 1: So like, is the scene that we saw, like that
Speaker 1: one take before you got your back like fucked up.
Speaker 6: Or in the teaserts.
Speaker 3: So that's it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's it. That was it cut.
Speaker 3: We're not going back to it.
Speaker 5: And then and they felt really bad. So when I
Speaker 5: came back, they gave me Bead Wong's dressing.
Speaker 1: Room, which like they're like please don't sue us, Please
Speaker 1: don't sue us.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I got I got that sense.
Speaker 5: I got that sense, and I guess something had happened
Speaker 5: like weeks prior that was like kind of a big
Speaker 5: deal in terms of that kind of stuff, which I
Speaker 5: didn't realize after the fact, so I could tell like
Speaker 5: everyone was had their senses heightened about that kind of situation.
Speaker 2: But but yeah, because then your next scene with Maloney,
Speaker 2: you're kind of running and falling too.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I know, I know. So I had to do
Speaker 6: that with an injury, and.
Speaker 1: Then you have to like wrestle that jacket off and
Speaker 1: it feels like you're like, oh, this monkey suit, but
Speaker 1: like maybe it's because you're really like get this off
Speaker 1: from me.
Speaker 6: I sanjur It was, no, he was.
Speaker 5: He was funny when we when we got because I
Speaker 5: didn't meet him until we actually got to set, and
Speaker 5: he was like, I heard you got your ass kicked
Speaker 5: last week, and I was like yeah, yeah, and of course,
Speaker 5: you know, like I was nervous, but like you know,
Speaker 5: we started talking about what hot American summer and I
Speaker 5: was just like, you should come out with your with
Speaker 5: a line of cologne called food to Maloney. And it
Speaker 5: could be like served in like a soup can, which
Speaker 5: he thought it was really funny.
Speaker 6: I was just trying to make him laugh.
Speaker 3: I love it. That's so funny.
Speaker 1: So like so like in Haunted you're this metho addict,
Speaker 1: and in This you're like a biker girlfriend. In in
Speaker 1: or in Orange, you're also like this methy kind of racist,
Speaker 1: and then in American Dream and Sanctuary you're kind of
Speaker 1: like a.
Speaker 3: Well, how do you get typecast?
Speaker 1: Is like this because you look like a really normal
Speaker 1: person thing, but you keep playing racists.
Speaker 5: I think studios and uh, people who run shows have
Speaker 5: an idea of what audience members think of as what
Speaker 5: a racist looks like or what a meth addict looks
Speaker 5: like as far as the meth and and like you know, stereotypes,
Speaker 5: but like some of it's not wrong as far as
Speaker 5: the myth goes. Like the second you paint my teeth
Speaker 5: like it's it's I'm on there, you put the brown
Speaker 5: stuff on my teeth, and I'm just like.
Speaker 7: You know, it's just it's.
Speaker 5: Not it's not that difficult to see me as like
Speaker 5: take all the makeup off my face and put brown
Speaker 5: stuff on my teeth and I will look like a methatic.
Speaker 6: That is, I think that's just genetic.
Speaker 3: Funny.
Speaker 2: On that show too, you got you and your friend Angie,
Speaker 2: I feel were a little bit of a comedic racist
Speaker 2: method duo.
Speaker 5: But yeah, we didn't realize how racist we were going
Speaker 5: to be until like later on, and they made it's
Speaker 5: like really racist, and we were like, there's not we
Speaker 5: can't really come back from this, but like you know,
Speaker 5: there's no way we can kind of redeem ourselves. All
Speaker 5: we can do is just like amp up the comedy
Speaker 5: and make them like funny.
Speaker 3: Right, you killed it? Oh my god, Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 2: Because I remember you guys being like frickin' frack a
Speaker 2: little bit, even though, like you know, the undercurrent of crime.
Speaker 6: But yeah, and then the third time I got to
Speaker 6: be on SVU, I got to work with.
Speaker 1: Murushka, so amazing, my fingerguns, I'm Kelly.
Speaker 6: And Pok and Scannfino.
Speaker 2: So did you any stories with the three of them?
Speaker 2: Are just excitement since you're a fan of the show.
Speaker 5: I mean, Marishka and I became really friendly after that,
Speaker 5: and she like invited me to a handful of things,
Speaker 5: and she introduced me to Harry Connick, Junior, which was
Speaker 5: like one of the coolest thing ever. I'm such a
Speaker 5: hardcore Harry Conic Junior fan and like I love Hope Floats,
Speaker 5: So I'm just I'm that bitch.
Speaker 6: I love that movie and I love him.
Speaker 5: And and she was like, She's like, this is my friend, Emma,
Speaker 5: She's dope.
Speaker 6: And I was like, I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 6: mah just called me dope in front of Harry Conic Junior.
Speaker 4: Whoa wow.
Speaker 5: I'm like, and this is you know, I'm like, I'm
Speaker 5: such a fan. I'm like almost forty years old, just like.
Speaker 3: An idiot.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm a married woman, and I'm just like melting
Speaker 5: into a punnel.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 2: I feel if we ever get to have Maurushika on
Speaker 2: this podcast, like my first question is how do you
Speaker 2: deal with everyone being obsessed and in love in an
Speaker 2: awe of you at all times?
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, how do you function?
Speaker 2: Because everyone we talked to Gusha's about her in this
Speaker 2: way where it's like she's truly an angel from you know,
Speaker 2: how did that drop down?
Speaker 6: I did? I called her a unicorn. I called her
Speaker 6: a unicorn.
Speaker 5: In like a post and she texted me and she
Speaker 5: was like, I don't really understand the unicorn thing, but
Speaker 5: like I love it. And then she texted me back
Speaker 5: like a few days later, she was like I get it.
Speaker 6: I get it. I understand how I understand.
Speaker 5: And I was like, it's like you're this majestic creature
Speaker 5: that no one knows where you came from or like
Speaker 5: how long you're gonna be here, but we just worship
Speaker 5: you in your mag.
Speaker 6: And she's such like calm down, but no, she's like
Speaker 6: she's It's.
Speaker 1: Like there's like people that obviously people love Jennifer Aniston,
Speaker 1: people love you know, whoever. They love a lot of people,
Speaker 1: but like the way people talk about her, it's like
Speaker 1: another level. They're like she's so professional but also warm
Speaker 1: and like helps you get where you need to go
Speaker 1: in the scene, and then off camera invite like sends
Speaker 1: me Christmas cards, introduces me as dope. Like you just
Speaker 1: hear like all these stories, like everybody has this story
Speaker 1: about her being like just a great person, and I
Speaker 1: just feel like you never hear that that much about
Speaker 1: anybody else.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I know, I mean I think for for for
Speaker 5: like what like who she is as like a status symbol.
Speaker 5: It's like shocking that she's as approachable as she is.
Speaker 5: But she she's just like a really lovely, wonderful, caring person,
Speaker 5: and she cares about the work that she does. It's
Speaker 5: very meaningful to her. Cares about every single person. Behind
Speaker 5: the scenes. She's always like if someone has something going on,
Speaker 5: like she's always making sure that everyone is taking care
Speaker 5: of no matter what. If it's raining, and like someone
Speaker 5: doesn't have an umbrella, She's making sure that people have umbrellas,
Speaker 5: like she.
Speaker 6: Is the Mama Bear.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just.
Speaker 5: I'm grateful every second I got to spend in her presence.
Speaker 3: That's so cool.
Speaker 1: What what are you up to these days? I was
Speaker 1: looking at your Instagram. You have this like kitchen series,
Speaker 1: like the Triggered Kitchen Series. I don't know if you
Speaker 1: want to tell us a little bit about that or
Speaker 1: like other projects you have going on.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean that's I'm I'm in the process of
Speaker 5: writing a book.
Speaker 6: That's kind of based in my trigger my kitchen series.
Speaker 5: My whole backstory is that, like I've dealt with disordered
Speaker 5: eating for my whole wife and and I had been
Speaker 5: in recovery when I was like a teenager and I
Speaker 5: thought it was gone. I was like, Okay, cool, cool cool,
Speaker 5: And then like life kind of happens, and during like
Speaker 5: right before the pandemic, it kind of started to like
Speaker 5: eke back in for X, Y and Z reasons. And
Speaker 5: then when the pandemic happened, it was just like an
Speaker 5: insane relapse and I almost didn't make it out of it.
Speaker 5: And so I started kind of trying to examine, like
Speaker 5: why where this dysfunction comes from? Like why is why
Speaker 5: do I continue to do this? Like why is this
Speaker 5: something that like people just don't recover from. And I'm like,
Speaker 5: I refuse to believe that. I refuse to believe that.
Speaker 5: I refuse, I refuse to have that as my life.
Speaker 5: And so as a way of trying to like take care,
Speaker 5: like take take back control of what I was essentially
Speaker 5: putting myself through instead of it being like controlled by
Speaker 5: restrictive and self destructive behavior, I started to cook. And
Speaker 5: I started to cook, and I started to learn that
Speaker 5: like part of the reason why my relationship with food
Speaker 5: and my relationship with my body was so dysfunctional was
Speaker 5: because I was completely disconnected from what I was putting
Speaker 5: into my body. It's like you go to the deli
Speaker 5: at three am, It's like you're not you're not doing
Speaker 5: anything for yourself. You're not involved in that process. You
Speaker 5: don't know where that stuff comes from. So you just
Speaker 5: like take a bite and it's like easy to keep
Speaker 5: that sandwich as like a stranger as opposed to like
Speaker 5: this thing that is like good and happy and and
Speaker 5: helps you kind of like understand why you operate the
Speaker 5: way that you do. So yeah, my, my, of course,
Speaker 5: that's that's a little more like more drama than the
Speaker 5: comedy of my of my real series.
Speaker 6: But but yeah, I just started.
Speaker 5: I just started like shooting them, and I have two phones,
Speaker 5: so I would do a setup where I would have
Speaker 5: like one be a close up and one be like an.
Speaker 6: Overhead, and I just like taught myself how to.
Speaker 5: Edit damn and and then you know the captions, the
Speaker 5: like stupid punny captions like calling Shallots Timothy shallat May
Speaker 5: and calling Garlic Bob Garley. Like that's that's the stuff
Speaker 5: that people tend to really, they're like, yeah, so it's
Speaker 5: just it's fun, it's fun, and it's it's it's helpful
Speaker 5: to people. I started, Yeah, I started with the idea
Speaker 5: of like today, I was triggered by hard pants, but
Speaker 5: instead of self punishing. I decided to make a ra
Speaker 5: bus and then I go into so it's like my
Speaker 5: way of funneling, Like how my triggers used to kind
Speaker 5: of fuel this self destructive behavior, I'm funneling that into
Speaker 5: something that's like more productive for me as h in person.
Speaker 1: That's so great, And I'm sure you're actually helping a
Speaker 1: lot of people who have similar situations, you know.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I hope so well.
Speaker 2: I loved your bride spread. I'm really into weddings. I
Speaker 2: did find it. I did read all of it. I
Speaker 2: did look at every picture. I loved the Hooters. I
Speaker 2: loved the concept. I liked the like floral with the city.
Speaker 2: That's kind of my dream because I love flowers and green.
Speaker 2: But like New York City skyline to me, is the
Speaker 2: most beautiful thing.
Speaker 6: It is it is.
Speaker 5: I don't know, I really don't know how we got
Speaker 5: so lucky first with Hooters.
Speaker 8: Wait, I'm like, I'm going, I mean, like the long
Speaker 8: story short, like so, I'm I used to go to
Speaker 8: a lot of Liberty games, New York Liberty when they
Speaker 8: used to play at MSG the w NBA, and I
Speaker 8: would go with a handful of my friends.
Speaker 5: One of them Seleene c Robinson, being a writer and producer,
Speaker 5: passed on I'm on SVU.
Speaker 6: That's how I met her. I met her through Marishka,
Speaker 6: so she's she's.
Speaker 5: A really really good friend of mine and her now
Speaker 5: wife is also a really good friend of mine.
Speaker 6: And we would all go.
Speaker 5: To Hooters afterwards after the games because it was like,
Speaker 5: you know, right down the street, and Leo was, actually,
Speaker 5: she'll be pissed if I don't mention this. Leo was
Speaker 5: the person who introduced me to Hooters, but we also
Speaker 5: started to go without her.
Speaker 6: When she wouldn't come to WNBA games.
Speaker 5: So we started this thing called Dream Chicken Team, which
Speaker 5: was like five of us, and we would be like.
Speaker 6: Are we doing Dream Chicken Team after the game?
Speaker 4: Like cool whoo.
Speaker 5: And then when I when I was setting everything up
Speaker 5: for the wedding, I as someone had mentioned, they were like,
Speaker 5: oh my god, you know it would be funny, like
Speaker 5: you should totally have Hooters, and I was like, I
Speaker 5: totally should have Hooters, and so I tweeted them.
Speaker 3: I was like, I was like.
Speaker 5: Hey, you think Hooters would do partial catering for my wedding?
Speaker 5: And within I swear to God, like a minute and
Speaker 5: a half. They were in my inbox. They were like,
Speaker 5: let's do it, and I was like, I was like.
Speaker 7: Oh my god, it's amazing.
Speaker 3: When did you get married? How long ago was this?
Speaker 5: It was August third, twenty nineteen. Okay, so before the pandemic.
Speaker 6: Praise Jesus.
Speaker 3: These pictures are gorgeous. You look so pretty.
Speaker 1: These are really cool And now I'm getting I just
Speaker 1: scrolled to the Hooters girls.
Speaker 3: I got them. This looks great and I.
Speaker 1: Love this group photo where it's all just women with
Speaker 1: the Hooters girls. Oh wait, there's one man in it,
Speaker 1: and I see one man in the back, but like
Speaker 1: everybody else's women.
Speaker 3: This is awesome.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean like a lot.
Speaker 5: There were a lot of cast members that were there,
Speaker 5: and it was so just having It was so funny too,
Speaker 5: because they were just like, this is the.
Speaker 6: Best wedding we've ever been to, and we were like party.
Speaker 6: So they stayed and they partied with us for like
Speaker 6: the rest of the night.
Speaker 3: So cool.
Speaker 2: Wait, as a fan of SVU, I do have to know,
Speaker 2: are there any episodes we like to say that like
Speaker 2: sticking your head is haunting or just like favorite episodes
Speaker 2: when you hit up USA in a hotel room.
Speaker 3: You're like, oh, I'm glad it's the one.
Speaker 5: I mean, there's there's probably like too many to count,
Speaker 5: but Leah and I have a running joke with the
Speaker 5: episode with one of Elizabeth Mitchell's episodes, but anytime Elizabeth
Speaker 5: Mitchell is anywhere near Svo, I'm just like, yeah, bring
Speaker 5: it by, please, Yeah, but not not the baby and
Speaker 5: the cooler one, the one where she's like been molested by.
Speaker 3: Your mother, Oh, the totem Yes, and.
Speaker 6: Jeremy Irons is the therapist and Lea. Yeah, always like
Speaker 6: taunt each other.
Speaker 9: Because we're always just like and then she took the
Speaker 9: wooden spoon, so anytime we see like a wooden spoon,
Speaker 9: we like take your picture and like send it to
Speaker 9: each other and just go like oh.
Speaker 6: And then obviously like Luscious Grapes is just.
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, our first episode we ever did on our podcast, Bully.
Speaker 6: Why wouldn't it be? It's best.
Speaker 2: I love that you have these inside jokes and little
Speaker 2: moments that makes me so happy about us for you.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I feel like like SEU fandom is its own language.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the fans are deep and well we're desensitized too,
Speaker 2: because I'll be watching like sex and the City or
Speaker 2: something with a friend and be like, oh, he was
Speaker 2: in this episode where he did this and that happened
Speaker 2: and then this and they're like that's fucking dark, like wire. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they're like shocked at how chill we discussed such gruesome.
Speaker 6: Yeah, we are to say.
Speaker 5: I mean, like I know, I can't I can't decide
Speaker 5: whether it's a good or a bad thing, but it
Speaker 5: is a thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it gives us comfort. It gives us comfort.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it's well.
Speaker 5: I also think it's a way for particularly women to
Speaker 5: like kind of have control over that kind of dialogue
Speaker 5: as opposed to it being like thrown at them in
Speaker 5: a way, yeah, victimizes them. It's like we get to
Speaker 5: be like no, we love s FO and like we
Speaker 5: know all about this ship.
Speaker 3: Yeah, totally.
Speaker 1: I think it gives women control in a world where
Speaker 1: they feel there's no control.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And that's why Marishia is such like a pinnacle
Speaker 5: of society because we all we all just see her
Speaker 5: like making making shit good.
Speaker 1: And the fantasy of a cop that actually cares. I
Speaker 1: mean like she goes after purpose. When people are like
Speaker 1: I don't want to press charges, She's like I still do.
Speaker 1: You're like, the cops would never do this. But okay, Emma,
Speaker 1: this was so fun. Thank you so much for taking
Speaker 1: the time.
Speaker 3: To talk to us, Big, You're so cool.
Speaker 2: Obsessed with em I feel like the Oranges and New
Speaker 2: Black Girls are like Pokemon for us, Like I want
Speaker 2: to catch it.
Speaker 1: I know, we gotta catch them all. I love them,
Speaker 1: They're all like I love when USA does. Orange is
Speaker 1: the New Black SVU is the New Black Marathon or
Speaker 1: whatever they fucking do. But so many of these talented
Speaker 1: ladies have been on both shows and it's so fun
Speaker 1: and yeah, this was great. It was great chatting with
Speaker 1: her and loved hearing about her Hooter's wedding. And check
Speaker 1: out her cooking videos. I've actually been seeing a bunch
Speaker 1: of them now because we follow each other and like,
Speaker 1: it's kind of like a fun if you want, like
Speaker 1: a more entertaining cooking like than just.
Speaker 3: Reading a recipe follow along. But what about this episode.
Speaker 1: Perverted a truly wild like this episode. I think it's
Speaker 1: truly so funny that there have been multiple episodes where
Speaker 1: men that Olivia Benson has put in jail have launched
Speaker 1: like like serial killer esque plots to get her back
Speaker 1: or frame her or like send her a message. Like
Speaker 1: she really gets on these guys, fucking under their skin.
Speaker 3: And it's really funny to me that the show keeps
Speaker 3: doing this. But yeah, we.
Speaker 2: Definitely confused the two episodes. It's like the guy from
Speaker 2: Weeds and then this one, and they're both. Yeah, just
Speaker 2: like revenge tales of people getting you know, hurt.
Speaker 3: If we just did it at a live show. What
Speaker 3: is it fucking called?
Speaker 1: I can't remember, but this I mean, but I liked
Speaker 1: the biker vibe.
Speaker 2: I like that the comedy in this episode was great.
Speaker 2: I feel like she really had a spark, was stabler,
Speaker 2: and it was nice to hear that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they did have that spark.
Speaker 2: I think what we're learning is science is bad, don't
Speaker 2: go to school, don't twist DNA.
Speaker 3: Science is great until it goes too far like now.
Speaker 1: But I will say, like I said, I think I
Speaker 1: said this at the end of my thing, but like
Speaker 1: I relooked up that company.
Speaker 3: Again recently, and like they're not doing that anymore.
Speaker 1: So maybe there just like wasn't enough of a market
Speaker 1: for people trying to you know, frame people, so they
Speaker 1: stopped doing it, or maybe they couldn't get they were
Speaker 1: in Israel and the United States, but I'm sure the
Speaker 1: US would be like, you can't do this.
Speaker 3: Stop.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like black market stuff, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, maybe my imagine a black market
Speaker 1: like kit that's like how to frame uh well, it's
Speaker 1: like in Breaking Bad where that giant like German company,
Speaker 1: the guy was actually like a big metha dealer, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, do you remember that part? No, such a good show.
Speaker 2: I love that as good as Euphoria, but pretty good. Now,
Speaker 2: I'm it's totally different, totally different. Also, we rape isn't
Speaker 2: funny in prison, and stop threatening men and people with
Speaker 2: rape in prison.
Speaker 3: It's like not fodder for fear. It's And I.
Speaker 1: Realized that the show stopped doing that as well, because
Speaker 1: they used to do that like every episode, like they're
Speaker 1: gonna love you in County lock up or whatever, you know,
Speaker 1: like they would always make little comments about that, and
Speaker 1: I feel like they've stopped that, which is thank god.
Speaker 1: But yeah, we've we've we've pointed out before other organization
Speaker 1: organizations that are working to stop end prison rape.
Speaker 3: So but this week, should we just go into what
Speaker 3: would Sister Peg do?
Speaker 2: Yes, I did want to say another thing, I learned
Speaker 2: that biker gangs are mostly just leather drag, and I'm
Speaker 2: not gonna see it. It's so embarrassing. I don't understand.
Speaker 2: Like drags actually not embarrassing, but like tough armor, it's
Speaker 2: just like so goofy. I just wish these gangs would
Speaker 2: realize how funny they are.
Speaker 3: Maybe they should get feeder the this.
Speaker 1: I hate to once again bring up sons of anarchy,
Speaker 1: but when you look at sons of anarchy, it's like
Speaker 1: it's the same reason guys join fraternities, it's the same
Speaker 1: reason guys join gangs. Like it's the same vibe. It's
Speaker 1: like we're protecting our community. We are a band of
Speaker 1: loyal to each other people. We also like deal meth
Speaker 1: and like you know, kind of true women as objects.
Speaker 1: But like that's what that's what the that's what's in
Speaker 1: it for them, you know, Like it makes them feel
Speaker 1: fucking tough, hot, supported, you know, and that they they
Speaker 1: honestly get to live like fucking like criminal like playboys.
Speaker 1: Like they have a clubhouse where they just like fuck girls.
Speaker 1: They're all married, but they fuck girls on the side.
Speaker 3: Like it's nuts.
Speaker 1: I would love it if we had somebody that listens
Speaker 1: to our podcast, it's like I'm actually in an outlagging
Speaker 1: and that's there about.
Speaker 3: But I don't think we're gonna have that happen.
Speaker 1: But I wanted to move on to to what would
Speaker 1: Sister Peg Do? And listen, guys, it's hard for me
Speaker 1: to always find an organization that fits in perfectly with
Speaker 1: what we talked about today. As I said, we had
Speaker 1: an organization a few weeks ago that I could call
Speaker 1: out again, which is called Just Attention dot org about
Speaker 1: like you know, prison rape. So we can call that
Speaker 1: out again this week for what would Sister Peg Do, which,
Speaker 1: as we all know, is our weekly segment where we
Speaker 1: direct you guys to an organization, a blog post, an article,
Speaker 1: a book, something that gives you more info about what
Speaker 1: we talked about today. This one's a little bit off topic,
Speaker 1: but because Christmas is coming up, I want to direct
Speaker 1: you guys to this organization called One Simple Wish. Of
Speaker 1: the organization's website is www dot one Simplewish dot org,
Speaker 1: and that is an organization that helps gifts, sends gifts
Speaker 1: and scholarship funds to children in the foster care system.
Speaker 3: On their website, it says definitely doing this. Yeah, you can.
Speaker 1: Go on and it'll literally just say what one kid
Speaker 1: specifically wants. You can give a more general gift, or
Speaker 1: you can just fulfill what one kid specifically wants.
Speaker 3: I'm doing it. I'm doing it this here.
Speaker 1: I love this so because it's like I was trying
Speaker 1: to look up sort of like you know, sponsor of
Speaker 1: family programs and stuff like that, but a lot of
Speaker 1: that is local to your area. I would definitely say
Speaker 1: go out and try to find those. But this is
Speaker 1: like a company, an organization that works nationwide, So any
Speaker 1: of you guys can go to their website and do
Speaker 1: it as easy or complicated as you want. You could
Speaker 1: fulfill a bunch of wishes up to what you could afford.
Speaker 1: You could just give general money to them. And so yeah,
Speaker 1: there's so many. There's like half a million kids impacted
Speaker 1: by abuse, neglect, trauma and spend time in our nation's
Speaker 1: foster care system. According to their website, and through this
Speaker 1: wish granting platform, you can send love to a kid
Speaker 1: who needs it. And you guys know, obviously, with my
Speaker 1: work in KASA, I try to support the foster care
Speaker 1: system as much as possible because I feel like they
Speaker 1: need a lot of help and this is a great
Speaker 1: way to spread some holiday joy. So that will be
Speaker 1: obviously in our show notes on our WWSPD highlight on
Speaker 1: our Instagram stories, so check that out for a little
Speaker 1: Christmas cheer.
Speaker 2: I will definitely be doing one simple wish one hundred percent.
Speaker 2: And next week please join us for another unhinged wild
Speaker 2: episode of SVU Zebras Season ten, episode twenty two. We're
Speaker 2: obsessed with all of you. See you soon, Thie. That's
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