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Speaker 1: Hi again everybody. I'm Dan Horde and thanks for downloading

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Speaker 1: top weapons in this year's draft to the offense with

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Speaker 1: a selection of LSU wide receiver Jamar Chase. Coming up,

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Speaker 1: I'll discuss Chase with one of my favorite writers covering

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Speaker 1: want to hear what he has to say about Jamar Chase.

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Speaker 1: Then I'll be joined by my broadcast partner Dave Lapham

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Speaker 1: to discuss why the Bengals opted for Chase over Pinney

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Speaker 1: an ESPN in the past and has some very interesting

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Speaker 1: things to say about the Bengal selection of Jamar Chase.

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Speaker 1: He and tonight the Bengal selected Jamar Chase fifth overall.

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Speaker 1: You wrote about him and did some video analysis last month.

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Speaker 1: The headline of your story was, Jamar Chase is a

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Speaker 1: true superstar prospect. I've seen enough of your work to

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Speaker 1: know you don't throw that term around lightly. Why are

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Speaker 1: you so high on Jamar Chase. I don't show that

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Speaker 1: around lightly. And the funny part of it is, and

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Speaker 1: this is very relevant for Bengals fans watching Joe Burrow

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Speaker 1: last year. And maybe you won't quite like me saying this,

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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow, the best player on the field every single game,

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Speaker 1: we watched Jamar Chase. Like the quality of him as

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Speaker 1: being a fifth pick. I just couldn't really believe it

429
00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:14,120
Speaker 1: at the most part. You know, I was wondering who

430
00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:16,640
Speaker 1: was actually calling my phone, Like like if somebody really

431
00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:19,520
Speaker 1: calling me right now? And uh I see no Ohio

432
00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:23,840
Speaker 1: area code and I just was like, this is it?

433
00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:27,280
Speaker 1: And uh hey, coach called me. Coach Coach called me

434
00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:30,760
Speaker 1: and told me he's like, we're gonna We're gonna draft

435
00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:33,639
Speaker 1: you and make your Cincinnati Bengal your more. Twitter was

436
00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:36,119
Speaker 1: losing its mind about the shoes when they saw your

437
00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:39,960
Speaker 1: shoes with the orange and blacks, So we have to know, um,

438
00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:43,080
Speaker 1: crazy was that Was that planned out thinking like the

439
00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:45,119
Speaker 1: Bengals might take you? Did you have a good feeling

440
00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:46,960
Speaker 1: they might, did you want them to? I mean, what

441
00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:50,040
Speaker 1: was the thought process in that? It's crazy because the

442
00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:53,479
Speaker 1: shoes were actually not This was the last minute pick

443
00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:56,440
Speaker 1: with the shoes actually, and it just hops so happened

444
00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:57,800
Speaker 1: to be with the orange color. You know, I like

445
00:19:57,920 --> 00:19:59,639
Speaker 1: them to like how they look with my suit, and

446
00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:01,800
Speaker 1: I stayed with it, so I even had to go

447
00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:06,439
Speaker 1: get an orange handkerchief just to make sure it looked correctly. Jamara,

448
00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:09,920
Speaker 1: you mentioned the excitement to play with Joe again. Do

449
00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:11,959
Speaker 1: you feel like you guys can be even more dangerous

450
00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:14,800
Speaker 1: in the NFL than you were at LSU? Definitely? You

451
00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:16,920
Speaker 1: know there's always room to grow, and I think this

452
00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:18,800
Speaker 1: is not a way another chance for me to grow

453
00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:21,840
Speaker 1: and also a Joe. I definitely can learn more about

454
00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:24,199
Speaker 1: the game because he definitely taught me some stuff when

455
00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:26,440
Speaker 1: I was at LSU, So I think this will be easy.

456
00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:29,800
Speaker 1: Did he call and wish your congratulations yet or text?

457
00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:33,240
Speaker 1: I actually don't know. My phone has been ringing in

458
00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:35,520
Speaker 1: my pocket for the past ten minutes. I haven't I

459
00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:37,200
Speaker 1: haven't took it out of my pocket yet actually, so

460
00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:40,000
Speaker 1: I'm hoping he called, Jamara. How much have you guys

461
00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:43,600
Speaker 1: talked to you and Joe about this potential reunion? Me

462
00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:46,320
Speaker 1: and Joe talked about this maybe like three or four times. Actually,

463
00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:49,320
Speaker 1: we talked about a good bit of times. He texted

464
00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:51,520
Speaker 1: me this morning is letting me know, get your bags packed.

465
00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:53,040
Speaker 1: So I guess that means that was gonna be the pick.

466
00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:54,240
Speaker 1: I don't know if that was a hint or what.

467
00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:57,359
Speaker 1: So he sent me that little Texas morning. I was like, okay,

468
00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:01,920
Speaker 1: I'm ready, bro, I remember you got I kept a

469
00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:04,280
Speaker 1: list on your mirror. I think at home, you kept

470
00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:07,359
Speaker 1: a list on your mirror of goals, right, wondering just

471
00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:10,840
Speaker 1: kind of broadly what they were, and was being the

472
00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:15,600
Speaker 1: fifth pick in the draft ever on that list? Actually,

473
00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:17,920
Speaker 1: the fifth pick in the draft was not on that list.

474
00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:20,400
Speaker 1: I just wanted to be drafted, you know. I think

475
00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:22,840
Speaker 1: that was the biggest happiness I had all night, you know,

476
00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:28,520
Speaker 1: being drafted. Um, but you know, everything else is following

477
00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:30,879
Speaker 1: in place now. It was a playing for a national

478
00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:33,600
Speaker 1: champion and stuff like that, and getting fat. Yeah. My

479
00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:36,280
Speaker 1: goals on my on my mirror were you know, um

480
00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:40,320
Speaker 1: ten touch downs, fifteen hundred yards, one hundred yards of game. Um.

481
00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:42,480
Speaker 1: I actually had the Building Caff Award in my in

482
00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:45,080
Speaker 1: on top of my mirror, UM a few games in

483
00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:47,240
Speaker 1: so I actually know I had a chance of winning

484
00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:49,600
Speaker 1: it once the season started. Did you have any goals

485
00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:51,040
Speaker 1: for the pros? I mean, you know, what are you

486
00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:52,840
Speaker 1: gonna put on your mirror? You know tomorrow? Do you

487
00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:56,119
Speaker 1: have any goals for your for your pro career. I

488
00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:58,040
Speaker 1: definitely have some goals. I want to win work good

489
00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:00,480
Speaker 1: of the year. Um, I want to have ten touchdowns.

490
00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:02,600
Speaker 1: I don't want to have at least fifteen hundred yards

491
00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:06,719
Speaker 1: or a thousand yards minimum for this year. Jamar's I'm

492
00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:09,479
Speaker 1: sure you've seen the new rules where receivers can wear

493
00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:11,800
Speaker 1: single digit numbers. Are you gonna do? You want to

494
00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:15,160
Speaker 1: wear number one for the Bengals? That's the plan getting

495
00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:17,199
Speaker 1: back in one. I think that's that's my goal right there.

496
00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:19,080
Speaker 1: I think that's what I want to do. Bengals have

497
00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:21,800
Speaker 1: had some great wide receivers over the years, Jamar, most

498
00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:26,119
Speaker 1: recently Aj Green and before that, Chad Johnson. Any thoughts

499
00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:30,160
Speaker 1: on those two guys and following in that legacy. I'm

500
00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:32,359
Speaker 1: gonna break every record they got at the Bengals. That's

501
00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:34,080
Speaker 1: my goal right now. I'm telling you right now, I'm

502
00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:36,520
Speaker 1: gonna break every record they have. I don't know how

503
00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:38,879
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it, but it's gonna get done. It

504
00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:43,120
Speaker 1: certainly doesn't lack for confidence. Now, time to recap Round

505
00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:45,680
Speaker 1: one and look ahead the rounds two and three with

506
00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:49,840
Speaker 1: my broadcast partner Dave Lapham Lap For the longest time,

507
00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:52,240
Speaker 1: I've been saying that I was a member of Team Sewel.

508
00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:54,280
Speaker 1: I kept joking I was a card carrying member of

509
00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:58,199
Speaker 1: Teams Sewel. But as the hours went by leading up

510
00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:00,320
Speaker 1: to the draft, I can honestly say that I had

511
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,040
Speaker 1: kind of flipped over to Team Chase. I don't know

512
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:04,880
Speaker 1: if it's because I thought they were going to take

513
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:09,000
Speaker 1: Chase and I was preparing myself for it, but it

514
00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:12,520
Speaker 1: really swung so much that when Atlanta was on the

515
00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:15,080
Speaker 1: clock and we were waiting to see if they were

516
00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:18,720
Speaker 1: going to take Kyle Pitts, I actually got nervous that

517
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:22,240
Speaker 1: they are going to take Chase. Yeah. Yeah, I think

518
00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:24,800
Speaker 1: I think the Bengals probably have a little angst there too,

519
00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:28,000
Speaker 1: because that would not have been been out of the

520
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:31,560
Speaker 1: realm of possibility. There was no question about that. Um,

521
00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:34,920
Speaker 1: they're all worthy of top five picks, of course, and

522
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:40,480
Speaker 1: and UH and Chase and Uh and Pitts went still

523
00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:43,640
Speaker 1: when at number seven, Yeah, it was. It was interesting,

524
00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:47,040
Speaker 1: And honestly, I think the uh, the mindset that the

525
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:50,239
Speaker 1: Bengals have in terms of take two and thirty eight

526
00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:52,520
Speaker 1: our excuse me, take number five and number thirty eight

527
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:56,440
Speaker 1: and get the best value. You know, uh played all

528
00:23:56,480 --> 00:24:02,679
Speaker 1: well because offensive lineman. There were three three offensive linemen

529
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:06,320
Speaker 1: taken in the first fourteen selections, and then two more

530
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:08,320
Speaker 1: the rest of the draft of the round, so there're

531
00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:12,200
Speaker 1: only five offensive linemen off the board, and so there's

532
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 1: some good choices at offensive line in terms of depth

533
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 1: there left in the second round. And then I thought, man,

534
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 1: it's going to be tough because there's a lot of

535
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,639
Speaker 1: edge rushers left as well. Well. Four out of the

536
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,720
Speaker 1: five last picks in the first round where all edge

537
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:31,440
Speaker 1: rush guys. My guy Turner went, try On went, you

538
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:33,720
Speaker 1: know another guy that I thought it might be, you know,

539
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:39,120
Speaker 1: somebody that you think about Away went and Russo went.

540
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 1: So there was a run on that down the stretch.

541
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,440
Speaker 1: But it still leaves, you know, quite a few offensive

542
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:47,879
Speaker 1: linemen for them to think about, that's for sure. And

543
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:50,080
Speaker 1: we will definitely break down some of those second round

544
00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:53,399
Speaker 1: possibilities and maybe even third round possibilities in just a second.

545
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,280
Speaker 1: Let's get back though to Jamar Chase for just a moment.

546
00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:01,000
Speaker 1: We were part of the Cincinnati media that took part

547
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 1: in Zoom Calls with Zach Taylor, Brian Callahan, the offensive coordinator,

548
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:09,480
Speaker 1: and then jamar Chase anything jump out from those conversations

549
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 1: to you. Not really, I mean it was all it

550
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:16,159
Speaker 1: was all pretty much things that we had heard, you

551
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 1: know about about Chase his game. Um. Obviously, the interesting

552
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:24,160
Speaker 1: little nugget was that you know, Joe Joe Barrow text

553
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:25,879
Speaker 1: to texted him and reached out to him and let

554
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 1: him all go ahead and pack your bags. You're coming

555
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:32,479
Speaker 1: to uh, You're coming to Cincinnati. So obviously, uh, there

556
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 1: was a big uh, a big interest and reunite those

557
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 1: two guys with the talents and skills that they showed

558
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 1: in that twenty nineteen season for sure. Um, but I

559
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,240
Speaker 1: think the one thing that struck me about him is

560
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:47,680
Speaker 1: he's got a he's got a personality. He's got a

561
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:51,440
Speaker 1: good sense of humor. I was, I was thoroughly entertained

562
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:53,600
Speaker 1: by the guy. Yeah, I thought, I think that, uh,

563
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 1: he's gonna he's gonna bring a little bit of juice

564
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,120
Speaker 1: in a lot of different ways to the locker room.

565
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:02,720
Speaker 1: And uh, first and foremost though, is the electric play.

566
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 1: I think that he's going to be. He's going to

567
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:09,440
Speaker 1: be somebody that obviously Joe Burrow knows how consistent a

568
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,439
Speaker 1: player he can be, how explosive a player he can

569
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 1: be and uh, and I think that's gonna that's gonna

570
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:19,120
Speaker 1: raise the boat, There's no question about it. I thought

571
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,680
Speaker 1: Zach Taylor was interesting when he said early on, we

572
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 1: need to be more explosive offensively. So that was obviously

573
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 1: a key reason why they elected to go with Jamar

574
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:32,160
Speaker 1: Chase over Pinney Suel or others. And then when Brian

575
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:35,680
Speaker 1: Callahan talked about in the current NFL, you can't hold

576
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 1: on to the ball anymore, like the days of the

577
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 1: seven step drop are over. You've got to get rid

578
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,119
Speaker 1: of it quickly because the pass rush has become so

579
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:46,199
Speaker 1: fierce and as a result, you need guys that can

580
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:50,920
Speaker 1: win quickly as wide receivers, and Jamar Chase definitely gives

581
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 1: them somebody that can do that. I agree with that,

582
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 1: and the thing I also liked the comment that Bryan

583
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 1: Callahan made when he said his mindset is to score

584
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 1: every time he gets his hands on the football, and

585
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,719
Speaker 1: that you know, he's a touchdown maker extraordinary in twenty

586
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 1: nineteen with twenty of them. Uh he and he led

587
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,920
Speaker 1: the country with twenty four plays of over twenty yards.

588
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:17,400
Speaker 1: So the explosive this the ability to finish the ability

589
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,680
Speaker 1: to you know, take the ball the distance. Um you

590
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:24,399
Speaker 1: know that, uh, you know those those all all or

591
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:29,119
Speaker 1: something that you're starving for. And I think, honestly, this

592
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 1: guy runs. He's such a good running with the ball.

593
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 1: After the catch, you can line him up in the

594
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 1: backfield and run a toss sweep with the guy. I

595
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:38,879
Speaker 1: think he's that good of a runner. He's got a

596
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 1: low center of gravity's he's strong where he needs to be,

597
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 1: strong in his lower body, and I think he's gonna

598
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 1: be and I think he's gonna be tough to tackle.

599
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 1: I think he's going to break a lot of tackles

600
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 1: and with that four three four speed, man, I'm telling you,

601
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,680
Speaker 1: and look look for some big plays from him. I

602
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,639
Speaker 1: look for him to be a big contributor in the

603
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 1: screen game, know, the wide receiver screen game, the alley screens,

604
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 1: the slot screens. And I like his position versatility. You know,

605
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:09,879
Speaker 1: he a lot of people think that he could be

606
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:12,400
Speaker 1: he could project to be one of the best outside

607
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 1: receivers in the game as well as one of the

608
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 1: best inside receivers in the game. And he didn't show

609
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,679
Speaker 1: any bashfulness. And the other thing I liked about him

610
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 1: was his confidence. You know what what, I'm going to

611
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 1: break those records with the records of AJ Green and

612
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,399
Speaker 1: chat out Joe Sinkers. I'm going to break those records.

613
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 1: That's my goal. And I don't think it's uh you know,

614
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 1: I think it's just confidence that I don't there's a difference,

615
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 1: I guess between cockiness and confidence, and we'll see which

616
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 1: which one he is. But uh, I like it. I

617
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 1: like the fact that he feels like he's going to

618
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 1: be a playmaker, make plays, do a lot of good

619
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 1: things and and add to the explosiveness or the football team.

620
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 1: Like Zach was talking about, he basically moves into the

621
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 1: starting lineup in the spot that AJ Green played last year,

622
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 1: and AJ last year had no explosiveness. His game basically

623
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 1: had become run a slant box, a guy out used

624
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 1: his height in his reach to make the catch maybe

625
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 1: a game eight to ten yards. There wasn't much after

626
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 1: the catch. Obviously, AJ did all of those things early

627
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 1: in his career, but last year he was more or

628
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 1: less a box out your defender, possessioned receiver. And Jamar Chase,

629
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 1: on the other hand, is a guy that can take

630
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 1: one of those slants and go eighty yards. Yeah. And

631
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 1: the thing is, you know, I was I was very

632
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 1: interested in seeing when AJ came back to the mix,

633
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:37,479
Speaker 1: how are they going to cover. Are they're gonna put

634
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 1: the number one corner on him? Will it be number two?

635
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 1: Number three? A lot of times it was number three,

636
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 1: and he wasn't winning consistently, you know, against that number

637
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 1: three guy. So now you're talking about you know, Chase

638
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 1: and te Higgins and then Tyler Boyden slot Man, You've

639
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:56,719
Speaker 1: got somebody, somebody is going to have the lesser corner.

640
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 1: And I think I think the perfect spot for Chase

641
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 1: is get that x X receiver spot. You know where

642
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 1: you're split in. You're out there by yourself. It's one

643
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 1: on one. You know, if they roll coverage that way,

644
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 1: Tee Higgins and Tyler boy they're gonna they're gonna feast

645
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 1: on the other side of the football. So, you know,

646
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 1: I think that formationally and people fill in those formation

647
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 1: spots in creating mismatches and matchup favorable matchups for the

648
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 1: Bengals in the passing game is going to be a

649
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 1: big deal. All right. So let's move on today two

650
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 1: rounds two and three. The Bengals will have the sixth

651
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 1: pick in the second round. They had the fifth pick

652
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 1: in the first, but they've got the sixth pick in

653
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 1: the second round, number thirty eight overall, and then they're

654
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 1: back to the fifth pick in the third round, which

655
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 1: will be number sixty nine overall. We certainly would anticipate

656
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 1: that they're going to go offensive line in the second round.

657
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 1: I suppose an edge rusher is possible, but offensive line

658
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,479
Speaker 1: seems to be the most likely scenario. As you pointed out,

659
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 1: five offensive linemen were taken in round one. Piney Sewell

660
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 1: was the seventh pick, Rashaan Slater went thirteenth, Elijah Vera

661
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 1: Tucker went fourteenth, alex we Leatherwood seventeenth to the Raiders.

662
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 1: That was a guy that a lot of people had

663
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 1: kind of targeted as a Cincinnati possibility. In round two

664
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 1: he went middle of round one, and then Christian Derrisau

665
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 1: went to the Vikings at number twenty three. So that

666
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 1: leaves a lot of good offensive lineman. Now keep in mind,

667
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 1: they do pick sixth, so you know one or two

668
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 1: of these offensive lineman will probably go before they pick

669
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 1: in the second round, unless they elect to move up.

670
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 1: I wouldn't necessarily anticipate that but the highest ranked offensive

671
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 1: lineman according to most of the things that I've looked

672
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 1: at that did not get selected was Tevin Jenkins from

673
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 1: Oklahoma State twenty fourth on Dane Brugler's board, twenty first

674
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 1: on the Athletics Consensus board where they looked at a

675
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 1: lot of the different big boards, thirty first according to

676
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 1: Pro Football Focus. So everybody to have a first round

677
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 1: grade on Tevin Jenkins six six three fifteen pounds, thirty

678
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 1: three and a half inch arms, but he didn't go.

679
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 1: He didn't go, and and supposedly he plays for the

680
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 1: Nasty Street You supposedly he's very, very physical, and you

681
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 1: know a lot of people had him going to the

682
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Steelers. I saw in some mocks going there, and

683
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 1: you know that's he's an AFC North kind of guy.

684
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 1: So I think that he's got to be somebody that

685
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 1: is potentially one that they're targeting. But what could happen

686
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 1: is exactly what happened at the end of the first round,

687
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 1: where four out of the five picks, New Orleans went

688
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 1: edge rush, Green Bay went went in the secondary, and

689
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 1: then Buffalo and Baltimore and Tampa Bay all went edge rush,

690
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 1: So four out of five guys because edge rush. Not

691
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 1: many edge guys had gone, so there was a run

692
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 1: on them. So now everybody's shuffling their board just like

693
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 1: the Bengals are doing, and they're saying, wow, I mean,

694
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 1: there's some value with the offensive line, so they don't

695
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 1: pick till number six. So honestly, Dan, I still think

696
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 1: there are six candidates out there, though, you know, Jenkins

697
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 1: being one of them. Obviously, Lyndon Dickerson there must be

698
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 1: some sort of an injury issue because a lot of

699
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 1: people had him going in the first round. He didn't

700
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 1: get drafted. The center out of Alabama and he's probably

701
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 1: the only Alabama Crimson Tide player that didn't get drafted

702
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 1: in the first round. Gosh, six of the first twenty

703
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 1: four guys were Crimson Tide players, I mean right there.

704
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 1: But you know, Jackson Carmen's there, Lean Pikenberg's there, Dylan

705
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 1: ray Dunns is there. You know, there are still guys

706
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 1: there in the in that uh, you know, second round though,

707
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 1: I think still have quite a bit of value, so

708
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 1: it's going to be interesting. Samuel Cosby also did not

709
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 1: go out of Texas, so one of the highly ranked

710
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 1: offensive lyman Walker litter A Walker Little, a person that

711
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 1: you've mentioned before out of Stanford. Now he is an

712
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 1: injury issue guy. And Landon Dickerson did have a torn

713
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 1: acl last year, so that's a big reason why he's

714
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 1: still on the board. But you know, the guys that

715
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 1: we've just mentioned have been mentioned as first round candidates

716
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 1: in many cases and they're still there. So they are

717
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:20,840
Speaker 1: going to have the opportunity to get a highly graded

718
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:24,360
Speaker 1: offensive lineman in round two. Well, I mean, you know,

719
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 1: Dickerson obviously has the rehabit from the knee, like you said, Dan,

720
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:31,919
Speaker 1: but shoot, I saw him doing like a cartwheel down

721
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 1: there during the pro day, so I'm wondering how seriously

722
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 1: affected he might be. But I mean, okay, say we

723
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 1: go guys that would still be on the board. The

724
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 1: people would think highly rated this offensive lineman, depending on

725
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 1: your need, interior or on the edge. Landon Dickerson, Jackson, Carmen, Ikenberg,

726
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:56,359
Speaker 1: Rad Dons caused me walk a little. That's six right there.

727
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 1: So the Bengals are going to get one of them.

728
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 1: I mean, if every everybody takes one, they still end

729
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 1: up with a guy that I think would would make

730
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 1: sense and they'd say, hey, you know what we were

731
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:11,759
Speaker 1: right when you take the value of going receiver at

732
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:15,800
Speaker 1: five and an offensive lineman at thirty eight as opposed

733
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: to taking Penney Seul, and then what kind of receiver

734
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,879
Speaker 1: would be left? You know at thirty eight, they're they're

735
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 1: probably right, or I guess it's to be determined. You

736
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:29,839
Speaker 1: certainly can't just you know, assume it. But I don't

737
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 1: think they'll have a problem with any one of those

738
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 1: potential candidates being there when they pick at thirty eight.

739
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,479
Speaker 1: In the offensive line, I think that, you know, Frank

740
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:42,840
Speaker 1: Pollack will be happy. What do you think the likelihood

741
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:47,360
Speaker 1: is at this point of double dipping offensive lineman rounds

742
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 1: two and three, or are there so many guards in

743
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 1: this draft that the more likely scenario is offensive line

744
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 1: edge rush or defensive lineman and then come back for

745
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 1: an interior type lineman in round four. I'm thinking that

746
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:06,400
Speaker 1: might be a little bit more of the play because

747
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 1: you know, if you if you double dip, if you

748
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 1: go offensive lineman in the third round, there there are

749
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 1: guys out there like Spencer Brown, Dante Smith. I mean

750
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 1: guys like that. In my estimation, I mean Spencer Brown

751
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 1: in the in the early third round. That's a good fifth.

752
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:25,799
Speaker 1: You know, I guess I guess you'd have to say,

753
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 1: all right, well, we're taking offensive lineman at thirty eight,

754
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 1: what's the run on edge rushers? There's more depth in

755
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 1: the offensive line than edge rush probably, but you know,

756
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 1: did the did the edge rush get damaged in terms

757
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 1: of a run in round two? And it's clear cut,

758
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:44,320
Speaker 1: you know when we get into at sixty nine that

759
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 1: it's that it's going to be it's gonna be uh

760
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 1: you know that that offensive lineman instead of going back

761
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 1: to back, that sixty nine guy will be the edge

762
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 1: best edge guy that's left as opposed to another offensive

763
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 1: lineman in consecutive rounds two and three. So unless there's

764
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:04,760
Speaker 1: a big disparity, Dan, you know, I mean, it's if

765
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 1: your board dictates, you know, it's closed. It's only we

766
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 1: got we have an edge rush guy that we've got

767
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:16,760
Speaker 1: rated at at sixty five, and we have an offensive

768
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 1: lineman that we got rated at sixty nine. Well, we'll

769
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 1: probably go at the edge rush guy. You know, but

770
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 1: if we're reversed, what would you do? Would you go

771
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 1: at the offensive lineman? Would you go at the edge

772
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 1: rush guy. It's going to be interesting, but the good

773
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 1: news is they'll they'll have some options there. I wrote

774
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 1: down the names of six edge rushers that are still

775
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 1: available now. Some of these guys are going to go

776
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 1: in round two, so if the Bengals go offensive line,

777
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 1: these guys won't all still be there in round three,

778
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 1: but maybe one or two still is. Carlos Basham from

779
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 1: Wake Forest is still there. Had eleven sacks a couple

780
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 1: of years ago, two hundred and seventy four pounds and

781
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 1: ran a four five nine forty. Joseph Osi from Texas

782
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 1: is still there. Unbelievable athletic freak two hundred and fifty

783
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 1: six pounds, did an eleven foot basically an eleven foot

784
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:11,799
Speaker 1: broad jump. Ronnie Ronnie Perkins from Oklahoma is still there,

785
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:15,280
Speaker 1: although he might be a character a question mark because

786
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,919
Speaker 1: he was a suspended early portion of last year after

787
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 1: failing a drug test. I know in a previous conversation

788
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:25,879
Speaker 1: with you you've mentioned the name Dioodangbo from Vanderbilt two

789
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty five pounds, thirty five and a half

790
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 1: inch arms, explosive athlete, team captain, although I guess he

791
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 1: had a recent achilles issue, but certainly a candidate to

792
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,439
Speaker 1: keep an eye on. You've got Rashad Weaver from pitt

793
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:43,840
Speaker 1: you have Quincy Rochet from Miami. You started out his

794
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:47,280
Speaker 1: college career at Temple, set the all time sacks record

795
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 1: in the American Athletic Conference, and then transferred to Miami.

796
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 1: So I saw him when he was still a Temple

797
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 1: and he was something special. So those are you know,

798
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 1: six names that are still out there as possible Ledge

799
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 1: Rush candidates. Yeah, and Cameron Sample. You know, some people

800
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 1: talk about a little bit the kid from tulane Um,

801
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 1: Like you said, vander Belt kids has got he's got

802
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:13,399
Speaker 1: that Achilles issue. But man, he is long. I mean

803
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:16,879
Speaker 1: eighty six and a half inch wingspan. I mean that's

804
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 1: a condor. It's unbelievable. Um, you know, and he's he's uh,

805
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:24,319
Speaker 1: he's versatile. You know, he can rush inside and rush

806
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:26,839
Speaker 1: on the edge. He's got some twitchiness to him. He's

807
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 1: got a good first step. You know, I'd like that guy.

808
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:32,800
Speaker 1: My man, Peyton Turner went pretty high. You know, I didn't.

809
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 1: I didn't. I was hoping that he might be there

810
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 1: as a consideration at thirty eight. But boy, he went, uh,

811
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 1: you know, he won ten ten spots higher. I think

812
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 1: he went at twenty eight. If I'm not mistaken to

813
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:48,879
Speaker 1: New Orleans eight to the Saints, that is correct. Yeah, yeah,

814
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,400
Speaker 1: So it's gonna be uh, it's gonna be interesting to

815
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 1: see how it plays out. But there's gonna be plenty

816
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 1: of options on the board. That's the good news. Dan

817
00:39:56,320 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 1: is you know, sixth six pack in that second round,

818
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 1: and you know, I wonder if the phone starts ringing

819
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 1: a little bit again, if somebody has somebody targeted and

820
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 1: you can pick up an extra third round pick and

821
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:12,439
Speaker 1: don't move back too far. I mean, we're talking about

822
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 1: six offensive linemen another half a dozen defensive lineman, it

823
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 1: might be okay with I mean, if you could move

824
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 1: back from the sixth pick in that second round to

825
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 1: number ten or number twelve, you know, no further than that,

826
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:26,919
Speaker 1: and pick up an extra third or fourth round guy

827
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 1: might might want to think about that. There's there's no

828
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:34,359
Speaker 1: reason not to. How about defensive tackle Milton Williams out

829
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 1: of Louisiana Tech is a third round candidate. That's a

830
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 1: name that's been attached to the Bengals and quite a

831
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 1: few mock drafts. A little undersized for tackle six three,

832
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 1: two eighty four pounds, but a great athlete ran a

833
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 1: four six three forty, had ten sacks over the last

834
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 1: couple of years, typically in that kind of seventy to

835
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 1: ninety range on most of the you know, the big boards,

836
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 1: and that would be the sixty ninth pick in the draft.

837
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 1: I would have no problem with that, you know. I mean,

838
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 1: I think in a perfect world, I'd like to see

839
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 1: an edge guy, you know, that could that could give

840
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 1: the versatility or rushing as a three technique inside as

841
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 1: well in the nickel. You know, I guess I would

842
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:20,360
Speaker 1: like to go that route if if at all feasible.

843
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 1: But I wouldn't have a problem honestly, you know, both

844
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 1: both lines of scrimmage, I would have no issue with them,

845
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 1: adding you know, depth and productivity up and down the

846
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:33,800
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage on both lines of scrimmage. It it

847
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 1: wouldn't be a problem to me at all. All right,

848
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 1: just for the fun of it, let's make a prediction

849
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:43,399
Speaker 1: on the second round pick. Let's throw, well, each throw

850
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 1: out a name. We assume it's going to be an

851
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 1: offensive lineman or maybe you don't. I don't know, but

852
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 1: let's throw out a name for who they will take

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Speaker 1: with a thirty eighth pick. In the draft, assuming they

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Speaker 1: do not trade back, I'll say I can burden leam

855
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Speaker 1: Ikenburg from Notre Dame. Do you think he'll be a

856
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 1: think he'll be a guard in the NFL? Or will

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00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 1: he stay at tackle? I think he's a guard. I

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00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:08,840
Speaker 1: think he's a guard in the NFL. You know my

859
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 1: other I would I'd probably either go Red Duns or Eikenberg.

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Speaker 1: I'd probably go amongst those two guys. All right, so

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Speaker 1: you take Eikenberg, I'll take Dylan Radens. I think it's

862
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 1: pronounced from North Dakota State. Yeah, left tackle there. Do

863
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 1: you think he's a guard in the NFL? Or do

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00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 1: you think he stays at tackle? I think he's got

865
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 1: a better chance to stay at tackle. He's a little

866
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 1: bit longer. Ye, he's got thirty four arms instead of

867
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,839
Speaker 1: thirty two and a half inch arms. That's what Eikenberg's

868
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 1: issue is. But Eikenberg's found a way to overcome it.

869
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 1: And Eikenberg's less than eighty inch reach, whereas Raduns is not.

870
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 1: He's up over that. So the measurable say that that

871
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 1: that's a possibility. The other guy, though, I mean cosm

872
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 1: was round or in a lot of mocks, I mean,

873
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:04,800
Speaker 1: Cosmo was a first round guy as well as Walker

874
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,399
Speaker 1: Little was the first round guy in some mocks as well.

875
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 1: So if you want to go pure tackle, you know,

876
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 1: I think maybe those guys caused me and Walker Little

877
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:17,879
Speaker 1: you know, would be potential candidates as well. And I guess, yeah,

878
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:20,959
Speaker 1: we have no idea you know what the other five

879
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 1: teams ahead of the Bengals are going to do. But

880
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 1: I'd be good with any of those bad boys. And

881
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:28,800
Speaker 1: there there's no way. I shouldn't say, no way, but

882
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 1: it would be mighty crazy all five people took offensive

883
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 1: piment for the Bengals with that six pick in the

884
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 1: second round, wouldn't you agree? I'd be shocked if that

885
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:44,239
Speaker 1: were the case. We didn't even mention Tevin Jenkins. In

886
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:47,359
Speaker 1: my case, I'm assuming he goes in those first five

887
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:49,839
Speaker 1: picks of the second round. Me too, I think when

888
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:53,879
Speaker 1: people reset their board, they're gonna be like, what, Kevin

889
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 1: Jenkins is still there? And I think guys like you know,

890
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 1: cause me, Walker Little, those guys something I think, particularly

891
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 1: if you project to plate be able to play that

892
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 1: tackle position, you know you're gonna be You're gonna be

893
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:10,880
Speaker 1: the higher, the more likely candidate to go. So I

894
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:13,319
Speaker 1: think we're looking at guys that are you know, more

895
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 1: tackle guard candidates that that might might be there, and

896
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 1: and probably a higher chance of being there. But man,

897
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 1: if one of those tackles showed up, bingo, man, jump

898
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 1: on that bad boy. All right, it's late. I'm now

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Speaker 1: a card carrying member of Team Chase, looking forward to

900
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:35,439
Speaker 1: rounds two and three and talking again tomorrow night. Yeah,

901
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 1: I mean, it'd be a great draft. And if you know,

902
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:43,479
Speaker 1: got the receiver, get an offensive lineman and edge rushed

903
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:45,919
Speaker 1: guy in the third round, go back to old line

904
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Speaker 1: in the fourth round. And you know, I mean if if,

905
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 1: if guys in the fourth round, if guys like you know,

906
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:56,880
Speaker 1: Tommy Doyle, potentially a guy out of University Miami of Ohio,

907
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 1: if he's there in the fourth round, he might be

908
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 1: you know, a good possibility. You just uh, you don't

909
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 1: know at that point. That's that's a big projection. You

910
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 1: don't know what's going to happen, never mind in the

911
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 1: in the second round, the third round yet. So but

912
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:16,320
Speaker 1: I still think, and a lot of people you know,

913
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:19,800
Speaker 1: are obviously in this school of thought. I think that

914
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:22,319
Speaker 1: there's plenty of depth in the offensive line. I think

915
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 1: they can attack it again in the fourth round, Dan,

916
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 1: and not be embarrassed. I really do, especially with an

917
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 1: interior guy, no doubt, no doubt. I agree. I think

918
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:35,359
Speaker 1: I think guards and centers. I think it's a deep

919
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 1: guard draft. I think a lot of these tackles gonna

920
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 1: end up playing guard. And I think it's just a

921
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:43,839
Speaker 1: very very deep draft to guard position. The Bengals can

922
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 1: do some damage in the rounds two and rounds four.

923
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Speaker 1: All right, I'm gonna crack a beer and put this

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Speaker 1: podcast together. You go to bed. We'll talk again tomorrow.

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00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 1: Sounds like I can play, my man. I'll tell you

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Speaker 1: i'd be I'd be a one bear and out guy

927
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Speaker 1: because I'm gonna be an out guy without hearing. We'll

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Speaker 1: have new episodes of a podcast posted as quickly as

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Speaker 1: possible after days two and three of the draft. That's

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Speaker 1: going to do it for this edition of the Bengals

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